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Why not more love for the FP-90 ?

Posted By: Cavokk

Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 11:26 AM

Hi all.

New user to the forum.

I needed a slab replacement for my old Roland A-90 to play piano on as my dad has made a “long time borrow” of it with no returning in the foreseeable future laugh

I very rarely buy anything without a thorough review of what is available on the market but my initial thought as I am only a casual player was to check out the FP30, P125, ES110, Korgs and the Casios and then use VST’s if the sounds were not satisfying.

Luckily I have stores nearby having most if not all popular producers available to test.

I was very disappointed with the feel of most of the actions compared to what I expected so I had to reevaluate and move up the quality ladder. I immediately fell in love with the Kawai MP11 action but the MP11 is simply too deep in depth to accommodate in my room so moved on to the MP7, ES8, FP60, FP90, P515,RD-2000, SV1, CP88 and the Nords. (Also tried Studiologic SL88)

From an action perspective I felt the RD2000 and FP90 to be superior to all the others in feel, playability and build quality. I seriously don’t get why anyone praises any of the plastic Kawai actions as they all felt sloppy and cheep - I did expect more from even the ES8.. ( note that If I had the space I would have ended up with an MP11 or VPC-1).

Anyway the point of the story is that I initially thought that I would get one of the cheap models and then pair with VST but actually after many many hours of playing and researching over several days I ended up buying the FP-90 as it’s PHA50 action to my hands was by far the best compared to all the other actions I played. NWX in the P515 was too heavy to my liking but also very good quality.

The main piano sound of the FP90 is special and I understand why some like it and others don’t. It’s ok for me for now as I will experiment with VST’s and Pianoteq anyway.

Only thing that I really dislike is the ambience function as it simply RUINS the sound of the FP90 pianos in headphones. In speakers it’s somewhat ok and gives sense of reverberation but I simply don’t understand why Roland did not put in a proper sounding reverb??? ( the RD-2000 works fine in this respect)

I was very close going with the RD2000 instead but my sense told me that I would regret as soon as the GAS settled as I really only was out for a nice hobby Piano to begin with - not a fully fledged stage piano for professionals smile

Just a side note: - the FP60 is just a tad cheaper than the FP90 but has the same cheap action as FP10/30 - I seriously cannot get why anyone would buy that.

All the best

C.
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 11:45 AM

For me, the Kawai MP11-SE felt sloppy. The Roland RD2000 / FP90 Series has this snappy 'rebounce' which I miss on the Kawai. The Yamaha P515 is similar in this regard.

What I don't get however, is the lack of Support by Roland (If you ever end up with problems, it seems harder than with Kawai). About the Yamaha: The Power Supply Unit is cheapened out. And you also can read about users who 'had' a P515, but the PSU was so bad that the whole instrument blew up after some time...

From the Support side and the Quality, Kawai may be better... However, it sometimes feels 'wobbly'.
Posted By: johnstaf

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 12:27 PM

I've said it many times before. I believe the Roland PHA-50 is the most realistic DP action in a slab. I love its liveliness and precision. It responds very much like a good grand action.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
And you also can read about users who 'had' a P515, but the PSU was so bad that the whole instrument blew up after some time...


I missed that - where have you read/seen such reports about the PSU please?
Posted By: Doug M.

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Cavokk
Hi all.

I was very disappointed with the feel of most of the actions compared to what I expected so I had to reevaluate and move up the quality ladder. I immediately fell in love with the Kawai MP11 action but the MP11 is simply too deep

From an action perspective I felt the RD2000 and FP90 to be superior to all the others in feel, playability and build quality. I seriously don’t get why anyone praises any of the plastic Kawai actions as they all felt sloppy and cheep - I did expect more from even the ES8.. ( note that If I had the space I would have ended up with an MP11 or VPC-1).

Anyway the point of the story is that I initially thought that I would get one of the cheap models and then pair with VST but actually after many many hours of playing and researching over several days I ended up buying the FP-90 as it’s PHA50 action to my hands was by far the best compared to all the other actions I played. NWX in the P515 was too heavy to my liking but also very good quality.

The main piano sound of the FP90 is special and I understand why some like it and others don’t. It’s ok for me for now as I will experiment with VST’s and Pianoteq anyway.

Only thing that I really dislike is the ambience function as it simply RUINS the sound of the FP90 pianos in headphones. In speakers it’s somewhat ok and gives sense of reverberation but I simply don’t understand why Roland did not put in a proper sounding reverb??? ( the RD-2000 works fine in this respect)



Hi Cavokk,

The VPC1 is 42 cm deep and the FP90 is 39 cm deep: are you saying your room can't accommodate the 3 cm extra in depth and 4 cm extra in length?

Personally, the sound of the FP90 isn't impressive with that meagre 60 W (2x 25, plus 2x5). The only Roland model that I felt sounded great with that particular iteration of the modelled Roland piano was the LX17 with its 8 monitor setup. Possibly the addition of a pair of decent monitors would help the FP90 sound much better, but then that would take it past the cost of the RD2000.
Certainly the RD2000 will hold it's cost slightly better because it does more and would be useful to the gigging market (used) as well as those who are looking for one for their house. When you include the stand, Monitors etc, the RD2000 is a lot more expensive. You're talking about £500-£1000 for decent powered monitors and £200 for the stand.

Do you need the extra functionality that the RD2000 would provide? If so, it maybe worth it.

Regarding the plastic actions: I have always stated in my answers that the PHA-50 action is just below the Grand Feel action in quality.

Here is my subjective estimation of the best actions in order of my preference...

1) Hybrid actions (Novus, Avant Grand)
2) Grand Feel II
3) Grand Feel I (close to 2)
4) RM3 Grand II
5) PHA50 (close to 4)
6) RMIII (close to 5) & NWX (faster action, good for trills)
7) PHAIV & RMII
8) NW-GH (on CP4 - quite fast action) & PHAIII

Probably in there somewhere would be the Casio hybrid action (which I've not tried).

IMO, the quality gap between the hybrid actions and all the digital actions is so great as to make all the digital actions listed to be more or less equivalent to one another (one would simply need to adapt to the minor differences in action). In other words, the difference in quality between 2 to 8 is much smaller than between 1 and 2.

Don't know what I'd do in your situation between RD2000 and FP90. I play with headphones more or less all the time. I only amplify when out with a group. Maybe that is the deciding factor for you, maybe cost comes into play?

Kind regards,

Doug.
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
And you also can read about users who 'had' a P515, but the PSU was so bad that the whole instrument blew up after some time...


I missed that - where have you read/seen such reports about the PSU please?

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2823536/p-515-locked-up-completely.html
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 01:26 PM

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Why not more love for the FP-90 ?

1. It's expensive in Europe (the most expensive one of the mid-range slabs, especially with furniture stand).
2. Its tone has taken a somewhat "experimental" route.
3. VST users are a vocal minority. Most people play built-in sounds.
4. Action preference is individual, but differences between models in the same price bracket aren't as big as emphasized on forums.

So for me the FP-90 is a rather expensive slab, which sounds weird. It's offering features I don't need as an amateur pianist (like microphone input with vocal processing), while it's missing others (like USB audio). So it's not my cup of tea. The end. wink
Posted By: Doug M.

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
And you also can read about users who 'had' a P515, but the PSU was so bad that the whole instrument blew up after some time...


I missed that - where have you read/seen such reports about the PSU please?

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2823536/p-515-locked-up-completely.html


Hi guys,

I have read a few posts about the P515; however, you should not right it off---there isn't that many users complaining, and there were also lots of posts about the Kawai ES8 when it came out, and those affected users were a minority also.. Most of the large manufacturers release firmware updates that solve early bugs, and the P515 has only been available for a short while.. At least it is worth testing out to see if you like it. I prefer to try all the competitors before buying, that way, other people's personal bias doesn't weight to heavily over ones own.

Kind regards,

Doug.
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Doug M.


Here is my subjective estimation of the best actions in order of my preference...

1) Hybrid actions (Novus, Avant Grand)
2) Grand Feel II
3) Grand Feel I (close to 2)
4) RM3 Grand II
5) PHA50 (close to 4)
6) RMIII (close to 5) & NWX (faster action, good for trills)
7) PHAIV & RMII
8) NW-GH (on CP4 - quite fast action) & PHAIII

Kind regards,

Doug.


Weird. I didn't like the action of the Avant Grand nor the Action of the other higher priced ones.
For some reason, I did put the FP90/RD2000 and the Yamaha P515 action over everything else. I did not like that the Avant Grand and the Novus felt 'delayed'.
The salesman said, that is because they require a different technique. They felt too heavy for me, I couldn't do what I did on the other pianos. Especially lacking 'strength' in the pinky.
I didn't want to gather more strength in the pinky, because if pressing keys is harder on one piano than the other, that does imply it would be more straining.
Posted By: Cavokk

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Doug M.


Hi Cavokk,

The VPC1 is 42 cm deep and the FP90 is 39 cm deep: are you saying your room can't accommodate the 3 cm extra in depth and 4 cm extra in length?

Don't know what I'd do in your situation between RD2000 and FP90. I play with headphones more or less all the time. I only amplify when out with a group. Maybe that is the deciding factor for you, maybe cost comes into play?

Kind regards,

Doug.


Hi Doug - thanks for chipping in - and yes I understand the question on if 3 cm actually matters - if you see my man-cave you will see why - basically in 2Mx3M footprint (yes 2m x 3m) I have a fully build out Roland TD50 KV drum set maxed out with additional toms and cymbals, - 2.5KW PA system with 15" Subwoofer and 12" tops, FP90 Piano, 12 channel Mixer, E-bass and E-guitar with separate foot-pedals. In addition to that a 1.3M wide desk that I use for working at home plus several computers used for work, VSTs, gaming etc... shocked

If the piano is deeper than the FP90 it would protrude too much in the room.. If I was very serious with playing the Piano I would be able to accommodate the VPC-1 but drumming is my main franchise and the FP90 fits just barely without the note holder( it protrudes more in the back) laugh

On your second question - I mostly play on headphones as well and I could easily have done with a slab without speakers like the RD-2000 (The PA system only get used rarely) The RD2000 is even slimmer than the FP90 due to the connectors being recessed in the back and general smaler footprint in depth. The FP90 is just short of 1000,- USD cheaper than the RD2000 where I live so in the end sense prevailed and as a side effect I have a very nice Bluetooth Audio Speaker in the FP90 and the same PHA50 action which besides size was my main parameter in the end smile

Cheers

C.
Posted By: Doug M.

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Originally Posted by Doug M.


Here is my subjective estimation of the best actions in order of my preference...

1) Hybrid actions (Novus, Avant Grand)
2) Grand Feel II
3) Grand Feel I (close to 2)
4) RM3 Grand II
5) PHA50 (close to 4)
6) RMIII (close to 5) & NWX (faster action, good for trills)
7) PHAIV & RMII
8) NW-GH (on CP4 - quite fast action) & PHAIII

Kind regards,

Doug.


Weird. I didn't like the action of the Avant Grand nor the Action of the other higher priced ones.
For some reason, I did put the FP90/RD2000 and the Yamaha P515 action over everything else. I did not like that the Avant Grand and the Novus felt 'delayed'.
The salesman said, that is because they require a different technique. They felt too heavy for me, I couldn't do what I did on the other pianos. Especially lacking 'strength' in the pinky.
I didn't want to gather more strength in the pinky, because if pressing keys is harder on one piano than the other, that does imply it would be more straining.



Hi nicknameTaken,

Yes, I can appreciate that. My comparison was via cross check against some acoustic grands and baby grands in the stores I was testing the digitals in, and I find myself having to alter my technique (adapt) to different actions.
I also like playing the PHA50 action for instance, but the Avant Grand action feels more like an acoustic. Whether that is better is a subjective matter.
TBH, if you can express yourself dynamically on the PHA50 keybed to your satisfaction, what does it matter. Many people who don't play acoustics have little desire to transition to an acoustic.


Kind regards,

Doug.
Posted By: Doug M.

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Cavokk
Originally Posted by Doug M.


Hi Cavokk,

The VPC1 is 42 cm deep and the FP90 is 39 cm deep: are you saying your room can't accommodate the 3 cm extra in depth and 4 cm extra in length?

Don't know what I'd do in your situation between RD2000 and FP90. I play with headphones more or less all the time. I only amplify when out with a group. Maybe that is the deciding factor for you, maybe cost comes into play?

Kind regards,

Doug.


Hi Doug - thanks for chipping in - and yes I understand the question on if 3 cm actually matters - if you see my man-cave you will see why - basically in 2Mx3M footprint (yes 2m x 3m) I have a fully build out Roland TD50 KV drum set maxed out with additional toms and cymbals, - 2.5KW PA system with 15" Subwoofer and 12" tops, FP90 Piano, 12 channel Mixer, E-bass and E-guitar with separate foot-pedals. In addition to that a 1.3M wide desk that I use for working at home plus several computers used for work, VSTs, gaming etc... shocked

If the piano is deeper than the FP90 it would protrude too much in the room.. If I was very serious with playing the Piano I would be able to accommodate the VPC-1 but drumming is my main franchise and the FP90 fits just barely without the note holder( it protrudes more in the back) laugh

On your second question - I mostly play on headphones as well and I could easily have done with a slab without speakers like the RD-2000 (The PA system only get used rarely) The RD2000 is even slimmer than the FP90 due to the connectors being recessed in the back and general smaler footprint in depth. The FP90 is just short of 1000,- USD cheaper than the RD2000 where I live so in the end sense prevailed and as a side effect I have a very nice Bluetooth Audio Speaker in the FP90 and the same PHA50 action which besides size was my main parameter in the end smile

Cheers

C.





Hi Cavokk,

Congratulations on your purchase. I wonder if a different set of headphones would succeed in alleviating the annoying ambiance artifact you've heard?

Kind regards,

Doug.
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/20/19 11:07 PM

The reason I had initially chosen the FP60 over the cheaper ones is simple - it supports the RPU-3 pedal unit. However I exchanged it for a P-515 after one day, because I could not hang with the action. The reason I didn't go for the FP90 is because I don't like it's modelled acoustic pianos.

I like the P-515 action and in no way find it too heavy.

Greg
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/21/19 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by sullivang
The reason I had initially chosen the FP60 over the cheaper ones is simple - it supports the RPU-3 pedal unit. However I exchanged it for a P-515 after one day, because I could not hang with the action. The reason I didn't go for the FP90 is because I don't like it's modelled acoustic pianos.

I like the P-515 action and in no way find it too heavy.

Greg


I also like the P-515. However, I think Yamaha doesn't produce in Germany, like Roland does. Which means... It could be more complicated to repair a Yamaha digital piano than a Roland.
Are my assumptions correct on this? Further, I suspect some of the components of the P-515 are cheapened out. I can't tell how bad it is, though.
I'm still thinking about buying the P-515 or the FP90. You are right, both are great instruments and the FP90 has a weird standard voice.
I would use a VST, either way. Pianoteq or Ravenscroft.
Posted By: MacMacMac

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/21/19 12:36 AM

I don't know whether this is true or not ...
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
I think Yamaha doesn't produce in Germany, like Roland does.

But it doesn't matter because this is false ...
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
It could be more complicated to repair a Yamaha digital piano than a Roland.

I don't see why there would be any shortage of repair tech talent in Germany (or elsewhere in the EU).
And there are regulations about making repair parts available.
I don't see a problem.
Posted By: tudor33sud

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/21/19 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Doug M.
Originally Posted by Cavokk
Originally Posted by Doug M.


Hi Cavokk,

The VPC1 is 42 cm deep and the FP90 is 39 cm deep: are you saying your room can't accommodate the 3 cm extra in depth and 4 cm extra in length?

Don't know what I'd do in your situation between RD2000 and FP90. I play with headphones more or less all the time. I only amplify when out with a group. Maybe that is the deciding factor for you, maybe cost comes into play?

Kind regards,

Doug.


Hi Doug - thanks for chipping in - and yes I understand the question on if 3 cm actually matters - if you see my man-cave you will see why - basically in 2Mx3M footprint (yes 2m x 3m) I have a fully build out Roland TD50 KV drum set maxed out with additional toms and cymbals, - 2.5KW PA system with 15" Subwoofer and 12" tops, FP90 Piano, 12 channel Mixer, E-bass and E-guitar with separate foot-pedals. In addition to that a 1.3M wide desk that I use for working at home plus several computers used for work, VSTs, gaming etc... shocked

If the piano is deeper than the FP90 it would protrude too much in the room.. If I was very serious with playing the Piano I would be able to accommodate the VPC-1 but drumming is my main franchise and the FP90 fits just barely without the note holder( it protrudes more in the back) laugh

On your second question - I mostly play on headphones as well and I could easily have done with a slab without speakers like the RD-2000 (The PA system only get used rarely) The RD2000 is even slimmer than the FP90 due to the connectors being recessed in the back and general smaler footprint in depth. The FP90 is just short of 1000,- USD cheaper than the RD2000 where I live so in the end sense prevailed and as a side effect I have a very nice Bluetooth Audio Speaker in the FP90 and the same PHA50 action which besides size was my main parameter in the end smile

Cheers

C.





Hi Cavokk,

Congratulations on your purchase. I wonder if a different set of headphones would succeed in alleviating the annoying ambiance artifact you've heard?

Kind regards,

Doug.

I had the same problem on my HP605 which I assume uses the same engine for headphones as the FP90. The thing is that ambience is behaving one way through speakers, however, I remember playing the concert grand on a maximum of 2 ambience depth maximum 3. More than that sounded atrocious, and you couldn't distinguish the speaker sound.

In this case Cavokk, I suggest to make sure when you play by headphones to have a maximum ambience of 2 or 3, because somehow the ambience interferes with the 3d audio on headphones alghorithm. You can test it out, I remember when I had the HP605 you would hear the actual output ambience depth only if you plug in headphones, go to ambience, and switch over with the right arrow until you reach 3d ambience and set it to off. You will see that on stereo output, ambience behaves correctly and you could increase it more.

I guess it's a trade off here in terms of having 3d ambience, you already have a nice ambience with a default level of 2 ( you already feel like you re in a concert hall ). More than that, as you mentioned, makes the sound really awkward. I hope this will help you.
Posted By: puremusic

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/21/19 01:39 AM

I really love the expressive control of my FP-90. I agree an external reverb definitely is a big improvement on its sound compared to using the built in ambience, if you're going to use the built in sounds.

Since I always use VSTs, I get thrown off by the near zero latency of using the internal sounds, so even with some improvements due to the right speakers and reverb I still rarely use them, lol.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/21/19 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Originally Posted by Doug M.


Here is my subjective estimation of the best actions in order of my preference...

1) Hybrid actions (Novus, Avant Grand)
2) Grand Feel II
3) Grand Feel I (close to 2)
4) RM3 Grand II
5) PHA50 (close to 4)
6) RMIII (close to 5) & NWX (faster action, good for trills)
7) PHAIV & RMII
8) NW-GH (on CP4 - quite fast action) & PHAIII

Kind regards,

Doug.


Weird. I didn't like the action of the Avant Grand nor the Action of the other higher priced ones.
For some reason, I did put the FP90/RD2000 and the Yamaha P515 action over everything else. I did not like that the Avant Grand and the Novus felt 'delayed'.
The salesman said, that is because they require a different technique. They felt too heavy for me, I couldn't do what I did on the other pianos. Especially lacking 'strength' in the pinky.
I didn't want to gather more strength in the pinky, because if pressing keys is harder on one piano than the other, that does imply it would be more straining.

The Roland A-90 uses the PA-4 action which is available for at least 22 years. I would not be surprised if this action feels more like a synth action than a hammer action. Anyway, if you use as a benchmark a synths action, which is characterized by a very fast return and light touch, then the action of a real acoustic grand piano could indeed be described as "delayed", "heavy" and even "non-linear". But all of these features are a consequence of how the percussive hammer action on grand pianos works. So, if you want a keyboard that you can play with the same technique/touch you would use on a synth (which is not exactly the same used on an acoustic piano), shouldn't you be looking instead for a semi-weighted or synth-action keyboard instead of digital piano with hammer action?
Posted By: Doug M.

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/21/19 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I don't know whether this is true or not ...
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
I think Yamaha doesn't produce in Germany, like Roland does.

But it doesn't matter because this is false ...
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
It could be more complicated to repair a Yamaha digital piano than a Roland.

I don't see why there would be any shortage of repair tech talent in Germany (or elsewhere in the EU).
And there are regulations about making repair parts available.
I don't see a problem.


Hi Mac/nicknameTaken,

I rang Yamaha Kimble UK (uk headqtrs) last year to ask them for a part for my PSR7000 and they told me: "it will be 2 weeks as we have to have it sent from Germany".
They told me all Yamaha spares are in Germany now, so I would be surprised a lot if they don't sell Yamaha in Germany.

Kind regards,

Doug.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/21/19 08:39 AM

Doug,

Yes, I believe Yamaha Europe is based in Germany, so I expect this is where all spare parts (for European dealers) are shipped from.

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
I think Yamaha doesn't produce in Germany, like Roland does.


Neither company produces digital pianos in Germany.
Roland's European production facility (based in Italy) closed in 2014, with some of the R&D staff regrouping to form Dexibell.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/21/19 09:11 AM

Quote

So, if you want a keyboard that you can play with the same technique/touch you would use on a synth (which is not exactly the same used on an acoustic piano), shouldn't you be looking instead for a semi-weighted or synth-action keyboard instead of digital piano with hammer action?


Well, my intention was to play piano music on it, not synth. So I don't pick a Synth.
Originally Posted by Kawai James

Yes, I believe Yamaha Europe is based in Germany, so I expect this is where all spare parts (for European dealers) are shipped from.


Sounds good for me. However, a friend of mine told me with the problems he had with Yamaha Equipment.
He bought a pretty expensive amplifier in the 80s.... Which broke some years after. Then he replaced it with yet another Yamaha - and it wasn't able to drive the speakers properly, he said. I believe both amplifiers were of the upper tier (4000 EUR at min)

I'm not sure what I should think about it...

Yes, the P-515 is pretty good, however, I'm not sure If I could get used to the difference betweeen the black and white keys. Sometimes I feel like that the white keys made of wood have an entirely different feeling in play, compared to the black ones. Was there a reason to not use wood on both, or plastic on both? It did kinda irritate me.
But the P-515 has a pretty good feeling of the keys, I can play repetitive, fast stuff pretty good.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/22/19 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Originally Posted by Kawai James

Yes, I believe Yamaha Europe is based in Germany, so I expect this is where all spare parts (for European dealers) are shipped from.


Sounds good for me. However, a friend of mine told me with the problems he had with Yamaha Equipment.
He bought a pretty expensive amplifier in the 80s.... Which broke some years after. Then he replaced it with yet another Yamaha - and it wasn't able to drive the speakers properly, he said. I believe both amplifiers were of the upper tier (4000 EUR at min)

I'm not sure what I should think about it...


In my opinion:
a) The anecdotal experience of one individual is too small a sample to draw any conclusions.
b) Amplifiers are not digital pianos.
c) The 1980s is not today.
d) The Euro did not exist in the 1980s
e) The retail price of Yamaha's flagship integrated amplifier in 1983 (the A-2000) was 195,000 JPY. Adjusted for inflation, this is approximately 245,000 JPY today (1,945 EUR).

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Beakybird

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/22/19 03:07 AM

Great choice. Hook it up to a computer and drive it until it won't drive no more.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/22/19 04:47 AM

I played both the RD-2000 and FP-90 in Jan. of whatever year they both were released at NAMM.

I started with the RD-2000 and was on it a good 20 minutes and liked it a lot. I still feel it's Roland's best stage piano to date. Conversely, I then went to the FP-90, played it for all of 5 minutes and said to myself, no thanks.
Posted By: peterws

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/22/19 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by puremusic
I really love the expressive control of my FP-90. I agree an external reverb definitely is a big improvement on its sound compared to using the built in ambience, if you're going to use the built in sounds.


I'm surprised. On my DGX, reverb was excellent; just as well since resonances weren't adjustable and not much in evidence.
On my present FP50, they were. So I whacked 'em up full, as you do. Reverb was disgusting, and unnecessary.
The result of that was I could once again enjoy playing an acoustic piano.
You need to get used to the resonances. Not even Pianoteq (stage) has them to the same degree as the Rolands do. Persevere!
Posted By: nicknameTaken

Re: Why not more love for the FP-90 ? - 03/22/19 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James

a) The anecdotal experience of one individual is too small a sample to draw any conclusions.
b) Amplifiers are not digital pianos.
c) The 1980s is not today.
d) The Euro did not exist in the 1980s
e) The retail price of Yamaha's flagship integrated amplifier in 1983 (the A-2000) was 195,000 JPY. Adjusted for inflation, this is approximately 245,000 JPY today (1,945 EUR).

Kind regards,
James
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Thanks. You must be right. It's never good to believe everything you get told and critically thinking about it.
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