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Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000

Posted By: halherta

Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 08:32 AM

from prnewswire.com:

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The new PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 come equipped with the Company's proprietary, next-generation technology – AiR Sound Source – which accurately reproduces the complex tone, mechanical sounds, and atmospheric qualities of a grand piano. They are also outfitted with Casio's improved scaled hammer action keyboard, which enables even more delicate expression to facilitate any style of piano playing.

Designed with a glossy top panel that evokes a luxurious acoustic grand, a slim unibody chassis and ebony and ivory textured keys, the PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 are ideal for use at home or on the go. Both units offer a touch panel control surface, 192-note polyphony, six types of key simulators, Bluetooth audio, Chordana Play for Piano app compatibility, optional AA battery power and an included AC adaptor. Additionally, the PX-S3000 boasts a graphic LCD display, two-track MIDI recorder, 700 tones, 200 rhythms, two assignable knobs and more.

Additionally, musicians can choose optional items for both the PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 which include a new three pedal unit and a compact bag that is designed to hold the piano and all of its accessories. The PRIVIA PX-S1000 (MSRP: $899.99) and PX-S3000 (MSRP: $1199.99) digital pianos will be available this spring at select music dealers nationwide.


I'm sure we'll get more info, pictures & hands on reviews later today.
Posted By: hag01

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 08:43 AM

With these prices, one of them supposed to be somehow the PX160's successor?!
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 08:48 AM

These are MSRP. The real prices will probably be lower.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 09:45 AM

The S3000 seems to be a replacement of PX-360 but with a higher MSRP. The S2000 may be consider an expensive replacement of the 160. Actually, the MSRP of these new models is similar to the top-range PX-560 and 5S. However, the new models do not have the advanced features of the top-range PXs. So, price-wise, Casio seems to be ditching entirely the entry-level PX-160. Maybe Casio considers the new CDPs to be the new entry-level DP range. Anyway, at this price point I expect these new Privias to be really good...
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 09:55 AM

I just received a copy of the brochure...the new models look really - I'm impressed.

James
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Posted By: Lazerlike42

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by hag01
With these prices, one of them supposed to be somehow the PX160's successor?!


I'm not quite sure where the idea came from that this would have been the case. What little information which was available up until now suggested that these were expected to be, not successors per se (because the company was moving towards a more pure piano market), but following after the PX-5S and PX-560.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
I just received a copy of the brochure...the new models look really - I'm impressed.

James
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Please share, James!
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 02:48 PM

https://www.casiomusicgear.com/products/privia-series/px-s3000
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:01 PM

PX-160 MSRP was $799 for comparison and sold on street for $499 so we may expect $599 street price for the PX-S1000
Posted By: HoangCosmic

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:01 PM


It looks magnificent, I'm waiting for key action information and impression, especially vs the old action, if done right, this DP will be on the league of ES8, P515, FP90 with much cheaper price
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:05 PM

Unlike Yamaha's CP88, these have sympathetic string resonance!
Posted By: Alex C

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:08 PM

It even has a pitch wheel controller ... impressive!
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by oscar1
PX-160 MSRP was $799 for comparison and sold on street for $499 so we may expect $599 street price for the PX-S1000

Which brings it in the Korg D1, Yamaha P125 and Roland FP-30 (or even FP-10) price range.
https://www.casiomusicgear.com/products/privia-series/px-s1000
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by HoangCosmic

It looks magnificent, I'm waiting for key action information and impression, especially vs the old action, if done right, this DP will be on the league of ES8, P515, FP90 with much cheaper price

Indeed, about half, street price.
And the PX-S1000 would cost one third of them.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:33 PM

PX-S3000

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Stunning piano Tones with damper and string resonance 700 Tones, 200 Rhythms plus songwriting tools Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard with simulated ebony/ivory key textures Beautifully polished top panel design with illuminated touch sensor controls Bluetooth audio for playing along with your favorite songs Bluetooth audio for playing along with your favorite songs Designed to work with the free Chordana Play for Piano iOS/Android app Optional battery power (AC adapter included) Powerful stereo speaker system plus two headphone and two 1/4" outputs Class-compliant USB port plus USB device storage

The Perfect Touch
There's never been a keyboard this slim that feels this good. The superior touch of the PX-S3000 is thanks to the newly designed fully weighted Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard, which delivers an authentic and uncompromising piano touch with an incredibly small footprint. Casio’s proprietary key scaling system reproduces the individual characteristics of each of the 88 keys, while ebony and ivory key textures ensure confident playing in any climate.

Piano and Beyond
The PX-S3000 features 700 stunning Tones including a breathtaking stereo grand piano. Advanced string resonance exposes the harmonic relationships between vibrating strings, while damper resonance adds depth and richness. You’ll hear the mechanical sounds of dampers rising, keys being pressed, and keys returning to their original position. Hammer response and key-off simulation deliver even greater detail, reacting naturally to your playing dynamics.

Bring In The Band
With hundreds of built-in Rhythms, you'll always have a band ready to jam. The variety of Rhythms spans the globe as well as the history of popular music. You'll find old favorites and chart-topping hits, all played with incredibly realistic instruments that sound better than ever. The drum kits come alive with authentic acoustic drums, vintage drum machine sounds, and a huge collection of percussion instruments and sound effects.

Now You See It...

The PX-S3000’s LCD display and touch sensor controls are revealed only when the power button is pressed, and are easy to see and use in any light. They disappear when powered off, leaving only a sleek, clean top panel. The PX-S3000's dynamic controls presents you with only the options you need, and removes the ones you don't. The bright backlit LCD display keeps you informed and makes exploration a breeze.

Blue Notes
Integrated Bluetooth audio lets you connect your device wirelessly to the PX-S1000, playing your music through its powerful stereo amplification system. Now, instead of just enjoying your favorite music, you can join the band.

Take Control
The PX-S3000 includes a pitch bend wheel for expressive control over its many Tones, plus two assignable knobs that can control built-in effects and other parameters. In addition to the damper pedal or optional 3-pedal unit, the PX-S3000 allows you to connect an expression pedal for additional versatility.

Connect and Create
Download the free Chordana Play for Piano app (available on Google Play and the iTunes Store) and customize your PX-S3000 to suit your mood. Change instrument settings, control the MIDI recorder, and learn your favorite MIDI songs with a graphical "piano roll" which grades you on how well you play. View PDF scores, and use the optional SP-34 3-pedal unit (or third-party Bluetooth pedals) to turn pages while playing. The integrated audio player allows independent control over pitch and tempo, and can remove vocals or melody from your audio files.

Speaking For Itself
A powerful stereo speaker system delivers crystal-clear sound towards both the player and the audience, and is engineered to sound accurate when facing a wall, placed on a table, or in an open performance space. The speakers project towards the player from subtle ports just above the keys, and towards the audience from rear-facing drivers with a beautifully designed grill. Two headphone jacks allow quiet play at any time.

The Perfect Fit
Privia pianos are already known for replicating grand piano sound and feel in a compact package, but the PX-S3000 will make you rethink how portable a piano can be. It's 43% smaller than previous generation Privias while retaining its true piano experience. It fits anywhere you need a piano: On a table, on a counter, on a desk, on your bed, the list goes on. Weighing under 25 pounds and with optional 6xAA battery power, the possibilities are endless.

Bring It On Home
When it's time to play out, the PX-3000's lightweight and impossibly slim design will make you wonder why you ever used anything else. The optional SCM-800 carrying case (sold separately) includes space for the PX-S3000, its music rest, and the portable SP-34 3-pedal unit (sold separately). Connect via left & right 1.4" outputs to any amplification or recording destination.

In Command
The PX-S3000 is also an ideal master controller for your home studio. It's more affordable than most dedicated 88-key MIDI controllers, delivers a better piano feel, and includes a vast collection of studio-quality sounds. Best of all, it fits easily into any desk designed to hold an 88-note instrument with room to spare. Class-compliant USB lets you connect to any Mac/PC/iOS/Android device with no drivers or installation needed.

Higher Education
Like all Privia instruments, the PX-S3000 features Duet mode, which splits the keys into two equal pitch ranges for performances or educational settings. A teacher and student, or two students, can be seated at the same instrument. The PX-S3000's Duet mode also has a Pan feature, which allows true two-student-per-instrument compatibility with all popular piano lab systems.

Keyboard Number of Keys : 88, Key Action : Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard, Touch Response : 5 sensitivity levels, off, Hammer Response : Yes, Key Off Response : Yes, 88 key digital scaled simulation : Yes
Tones Polyphony (Maximum) : 192, Number of Built-in Tones : 18, Sound Source : AiR, Layer : Yes, Split : Yes
Acoustic Simulator String Resonance : Yes (4 types, off), Damper Resonance : Yes (4 types, off), Key Action Noise : Yes (4 types, off), Damper Noise : Yes (4 types, off)
Digital Effect Sound Mode - Hall Simulator/Reverb : Hall simulator 4 - Surround : 2, Hall Simulator/Reverb : Equipped in Sound mode, Chorus : 4, Brilliance : Yes, DSP : Yes (Preset for some tones)
Songs Music Library : 60, Demonstration-only Songs : 1, Song Expansion (User Songs) : 10
Additional Features Connectivity to Chordana Play for Piano : Chordana Play for Piano, Bluetooth Audio : Yes, Lesson Function : Part ON/OFF, Recorder : 2 tracks, 1 song, Duet Mode : Yes, Octave Shift : ±2, Metronome : 0 to 9 beats, tempo range:20~255, Pedals : Included:Damper (SP-3) Optional 3-pedal unit:damper, soft, sostenuto(New SP-34), Key Transpose : 2 octaves (-12 semitones ~ 0 ~+12 semitones), Tuning Control : A4 = 415.5 Hz ~ 440.0 Hz ~ 465.9 Hz, Scale Function(Preset): Equal temperament + 16 variations, Operation Lock : Yes,
Others : Touch sensor button:7(Tone select button:2), Auto Power Off
Connectivity and Storage PHONES / OUTPUT : PHONES:2(Stereo mini), Pedals : 2(Damper, Pedal Unit), Connector for 3-Pedal Unit : Yes(New SP-34), LINE OUT : 2 L/MONO, R(Standard jack), AUDIO IN : Yes (Stereo mini), USB TO HOST : Yes
Speakers and Amplifiers Size : 16cm x 8cm(Oval)x 2, Speaker System : 2 speakers, Amplifiers : 8W + 8W
Accessories AC Adaptor : AD-A12150LW, Battery Drive : Alkaline AA x6, Continuous Battery Life : Approximately 4 hours
Size Width×Depth×Height (mm) : 1,322 x 232 x 102 mm, Width×Depth×Height (in) : 52 x 9 x 4 inch
Weight 11.2 kg (exclude batteries) 11.4 kg (include batteries) - 24.7 lb (exclude batteries) 25.1 lb (include batteries)
Included Accessories Pedal (SP-3), Music stand, AC Adaptor(ADA12150LW)
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:36 PM

Touch Response : 5 sensitivity levels

That doesn't sound good.
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by brooster
Touch Response : 5 sensitivity levels

That doesn't sound good.

It probably means 5 different settings for touch curve. Just like for example Kawai's Heavy+, Heavy, Normal, Light, Light+.
I doubt it means that the velocity is measured only in 5 different levels. laugh
Posted By: Learux

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:48 PM

This thing looks ultra portable in the brochure. with that carrying case

https://www.casiomusicgear.com/products/privia-series/px-s3000
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by brooster
Touch Response : 5 sensitivity levels

That doesn't sound good.

It probably means 5 different settings for touch curve. Just like for example Kawai's Heavy+, Heavy, Normal, Light, Light+.
I doubt it means that the velocity is measured only in 5 different levels. laugh


But it does sound like you can't edit the levels key by key.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:50 PM


The PX-S3000 has the Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard
Not the:
Tri-sensor Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard II

Apparently it doesn't have a triple sensor.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
The S3000 seems to be a replacement of PX-360 but with a higher MSRP.

Casio MSRP is higher than the actual store price, at least in the USA. The PX-360 MSRP is $1199, typical sell price is $899. So that's probably going to be the sell price of the 3000.

Originally Posted by Lazerlike42
not {PX160} successors per se...but following after the PX-5S and PX-560.

In price and functionality, looks more like PX160/350/360 market than PX5/PX560.

Originally Posted by HoangCosmic
if done right, this DP will be on the league of ES8, P515, FP90 with much cheaper price
Originally Posted by Fleer
And the PX-S1000 would cost one third of them.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that it is likely to have action competitive with models triple the price and nearly double the weight, but who knows, we can be pleasantly surprised... and feel can be so subjective anyway.
Posted By: AlphaBravoCharlie

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:55 PM

So every used technology has to be listed? Even if it doesn't, it's 'smart' instead 😊
Posted By: Lazerlike42

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by brooster

The PX-S3000 has the Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard
Not the:
Tri-sensor Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard II

Apparently it doesn't have a triple sensor.



I think this is reading a lot into it. These are names for actions. The "Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard" is an entirely new action. Just because it doesn't say "Tri-Sensor" in the name that doesn't mean that the action doesn't have three sensors.
Posted By: Marko in Boston

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 04:24 PM

Whether you need it or not, it's a nice feature to have without adding much weight: Alkaline AA x6, Continuous Battery Life : Approximately 4 hours.

Everything else looks to be a homerun for Casio. Great Job!
Posted By: funkycornwall

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 04:37 PM

Looking t the PX-S3000. This looks a great product and I think they’ll sell loads of them. I’m interested in knowing what the two controllers can be assigned to. Presumably one could be assigned to modulation wheel and there is already a pitch bend controller. Overall it could be a useful studio keyboard, home keyboard or gigging keyboard. There is bluetooth audio in and also standard jacks for audio out. There is mini jack audio in as well. The optional three pedal unit looks great too. All very promising. I just wonder how good this new piano action is. Has anyone found a link to the user manual yet?
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Lazerlike42

These are names for actions. The "Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard" is an entirely new action. Just because it doesn't say "Tri-Sensor" in the name that doesn't mean that the action doesn't have three sensors.

That's true... but with the presence of the third sensor being a specific selling point of some competitors' models and some of Casio's own previous models, it would be a pretty notable oversight to not mention it. It doesn't have to be in the name of the action, but you would expect the third sensor to at least be referenced somewhere in the descriptive text and/or spec page. The fact that it's not makes me think it is unlikely that the new action has three sensors. But I agree, that's not definitive. (And if losing the third sensor was the tradeoff for an action that otherwise feels noticeably better than that of the previous generation, I could live with that.)
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Whether you need it or not, it's a nice feature to have without adding much weight: Alkaline AA x6, Continuous Battery Life : Approximately 4 hours.

Yah, that would be nice to have as a backup during gigs, on the off chance that there's a last second issue with the power cord or the like.
Posted By: AlphaBravoCharlie

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 05:16 PM

I'm more curious about the piano sound itself, if it's by any mean enhanced. I didn't try x70 series, but I think it was updated in that generation.
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 05:21 PM

The PX-160 had a triple sensor action, so these new Privia's probably will as well. The real question here is how realistic is the action. If it is even half decent this product will succeed. It gets a high score in pretty much everything else (tone generation, size, functionality, looks e.t.c.)

I'm also hoping for improved build quality and durability.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 05:25 PM

Interesting mention of the SP-34 triple pedal, which (if this listing is accurate), doesn't require the whole stand:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/casio_sp_34_sustain_pedal.htm
Posted By: Lazerlike42

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Lazerlike42

These are names for actions. The "Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard" is an entirely new action. Just because it doesn't say "Tri-Sensor" in the name that doesn't mean that the action doesn't have three sensors.

That's true... but with the presence of the third sensor being a specific selling point of some competitors' models and some of Casio's own previous models, it would be a pretty notable oversight to not mention it. It doesn't have to be in the name of the action, but you would expect the third sensor to at least be referenced somewhere in the descriptive text and/or spec page. The fact that it's not makes me think it is unlikely that the new action has three sensors. But I agree, that's not definitive. (And if losing the third sensor was the tradeoff for an action that otherwise feels noticeably better than that of the previous generation, I could live with that.)


It's true that Casio advertised it as part of the name in a previous action, but I think this may have been more about the time during which that was released when having a three sensor action would have been regarded as a bigger selling point of the product and in particular as something to help consumers recognize Casio keyboards as being of higher quality when they were trying to transition to a more professional quality brand.

I disagree that advertising the number of sensors is something which other manufacturers necessarily make it a point to do. For example, just last week there was a decent discussion on this board with people trying to figure out whether one of the Yamaha action had three sensors, because they didn't seem to specify, and it turned out that it did. I seem to recall similar discussions about some of Roland's actions because if they are publishing this information, it's not in marketing materials that I have seen.

I think the number of sensors is the sort of thing that at this point in 2019 is sortof passé - not from a technological standpoint, of course, but from a marketing buzzword standpoint. When they started using them it was cool and the thing to have, but these days only nerds like us care about it and most of their market are moved by other selling points. Remember when they stopped listing "52X CD-ROM drive" and just started putting "CD-ROM drive" on computer ads?
Posted By: AlphaBravoCharlie

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 05:50 PM



Some sound preview.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 05:54 PM

Good point that there are other 3-sensor boards out there, where the manufacturers don't make it a selling point. So it really is an open question. We'll see...
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 05:59 PM

And there are actions with the number 3 in their names, but either they are not triple sensor or the number does not refer to the number of sensors. Like the RH3 and also the RH3. wink
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 07:22 PM

There are demo videos on YouTube now. Kraft music at least has Rich Formidoni from Casio talking and playing:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCus_FZHTE1MeYkyOIQ_cG5Q

They still clearly have that "Hamburg grand" sound, but it's somewhat improved perhaps.

Nothing revolutionary. Yes, they are slim. Older Privias were already slim enough for me. Yes, they have a new user interface. But can you turn off the lights while still playing the piano? And I still don't know what's "smart" about the new action. They talk about "Casio's proprietary key scaling system" that "recreates the weighting and other characteristics of each of the 88 keys individually".

Is a special system needed for that? What's there to "recreate"? Just use 88 hammers with varying weights like Roland. smile

Oh well, they are probably fine products. Maybe someday I'll get another Casio, but probably not this year.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo

Oh well, they are probably fine products. Maybe someday I'll get another Casio, but probably not this year.

Yah, they look nice, but I'm not sorry that I bought my PX-160 a few months ago, and don't plan to replace it right away just because these came out. I plan to enjoy the 160 as long as it plays well; after that, I'll almost certainly look to the PX-S1000 (assuming it pans out).
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 08:35 PM

CASIO TO RELEASE A SLIM AND STYLISH ELECTRONIC PIANO – THE SLIMMEST IN THE WORLD*1
High-Quality Features Including Bluetooth® Audio Offer More Ways to Enjoy

ANAHEIM, CA, January 24, 2019 - Casio America, Inc.,announced today that it will release the new PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 models in its Privia*2 electronic piano lineup. The new models feature a slim and stylish design boasting the world’s slimmest depth, while retaining a sophisticated keyboard touch and authentic timbre.

Casio originally developed the Privia series to make the joy of playing piano accessible to more people. The goal was to provide the user with the sound and feel of a grand piano at a fraction of the weight and price while delivering unprecedented value and quality. Casio released the first Privia model, the PX-100, in October 2003. Delivering an appealing overall package of features, the PX-100 received a very positive response and significantly expanded the electronic piano market.

The new PX-S1000/S3000 models deliver innovations that make playing piano more enjoyable than ever. While their slim profile makes them the slimmest digital pianos in the world, these pianos earn the Privia moniker by providing authentic grand piano sound and feel. The newly developed Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard is what makes the slim 232mm depth possible. With such a slim profile, users can easily enjoy playing the piano in a variety of environments without taking up a lot of space. Going beyond the accepted standards for hammer-action keyboards, the new design reproduces the individual response characteristics of each of the 88 keys on a grand piano. The AiR Sound Source delivers the natural tone of a grand piano with string and damper resonance, and even includes mechanical damper and key sounds.

The PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 models also offer a Bluetooth audio playback feature, allowing the user to connect to their device and play along with their favorite songs. The PX-S1000 includes 18 Tones with 192 notes of polyphony, with layer/split/duet functionality. The PX-S3000 boasts 700 Tones plus 200 accompaniment Rhythms, derived from Casio’s acclaimed CT-X series instruments. The PX-S3000 also includes a backlit LCD display, a pitch bend wheel, and two control knobs that give players control over powerful DSP effects and more.
Both models also feature recording capabilities, optional 6xAA battery power, integration with the Chordana Play for Piano app, and a music rest designed to hold iOS/Android devices of nearly any size. Two headphone jacks are included, along with ¼" L/R outputs that connect to any amplifier, mixer or PA system.

Optional accessories include a matching wooden CS-68 stand, the newly-designed SP-34 portable 3-pedal unit, and the SCM-800 carrying case which can accommodate a PX-S model as well as the SP-34. Finally, classical pianists have a truly portable and affordable solution.

MAIN FEATURES OF THE PX-S1000/S3000
The slim and stylish body differentiates the Privia from other electronic pianos in its class. By making full use of the digital technologies Casio has developed over the years, the new Privia offers a high-quality keyboard touch and an elegant sound, but in a 20% slimmer (depth from front to back) body than the previous model (PX-160). The operating panel also employs illuminated touch sensor controls that disappear when powered off, delivering a simple and elegant button-less design. The compact design is complemented by optional 6xAA battery power, making the PX-S1000/3000 the most truly portable Privias to date.

New Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard combines compactness with a natural playing feel

An extensive library of 800 tones and 235 rhythms supports diverse musical genres, and applications from composition, to arranging, to live performance.

Key Off Response reproduces repeat-strike performance:

The decay timing based on the keys’ movements when the fingers release from the key is digitally controlled. When the same note is struck repeatedly, the next tone sounds firmly even if the key has not completely come back up after being struck.

88-Key Digital Scaling creates a grand piano-like touch:

The touch of a grand piano varies with the differences in size and weight of the hammers over each of the 88 keys. The PX-S1000/S3000 models deliver the feeling of playing a grand piano through a meticulous key-by-key digital simulation of these subtle differences in touch.

Newly-Enhanced AiR Sound Source reproduces the rich, detailed sound of a grand piano.

Rich sustain makes for comfortable playing:

The AiR Sound Source seamlessly reproduces the natural changes in tone that result from dynamic play. In addition, it reproduces the reverberations which occur with the passage of time as the sound dies away, resulting in even richer sounding piano sustain.

Acoustic Simulator reproduces grand piano string resonance and action sounds.

The PX-S1000/S3000 models achieve a realistic grand piano timbre by reproducing the resonance of strings with frequencies closely associated with those being played as well as the resonance that occurs when strings are released by depressing the damper pedal. This feature also reproduces the sounds of a grand piano’s key action that occur when pressing or releasing a key.

Audio playback feature uses Bluetooth to provide more ways to enjoy your electronic piano.

Users can listen to their favorite songs played through the speakers of the PX-S1000/S3000 models while playing the keyboard at the same time.

Connectivity with Casio’s dedicated Chordana Play for Piano app enables intuitive piano operation.

Users can connect the PX-S1000/S3000 to any Android or iOS device via the free Chordana Play for Piano App. The app allows the user to control every aspect of the instrument; play back MIDI files with a “piano roll" display, play back audio files with tempo/pitch adjustments and vocal cancellation, and view PDF scores with support for pedal-actuated page turning.

Posted By: gerhard_k

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 08:57 PM

Anderton's in the UK have a video up about the Casio CDP-S100: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SsMHLaKpS8

I haven't seen this mentioned here on PW - where does this model fit in the line-up?
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by gerhard_k
Anderton's in the UK have a video up about the Casio CDP-S100: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SsMHLaKpS8

I haven't seen this mentioned here on PW - where does this model fit in the line-up?

New entry level model.
Posted By: gerhard_k

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 09:16 PM

So - entry level below the PX-S1000, I take it...

But I'm a bit worried about the touted reduced cabinet depth of the S1000 (232mm), would not that lead to shorter key-to-pivot length? Any data on this?
Posted By: Lazerlike42

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/24/19 09:21 PM

"The touch of a grand piano varies with the differences in size and weight of the hammers over each of the 88 keys. The PX-S1000/S3000 models deliver the feeling of playing a grand piano through a meticulous key-by-key digital simulation of these subtle differences in touch."

Hmmm. I wonder if they mean that the keys have a delay for triggering the sound based on which key it is on the keyboard as if keys up and down a piano are slightly slower or faster to strike the note based on it's weight.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 01:47 AM

I think this text means these new Privias probably are still 3-sensor boards...

"Key Off Response reproduces repeat-strike performance: The decay timing based on the keys' movements when the fingers release from the key is digitally controlled. When the same note is struck repeatedly, the next tone sounds firmly even if the key has not completely come back up after being struck."
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 02:58 AM

The brochure contains an illustration comparing the new action with the previous generation action. The new "Smart" action is a good deal more compact, which obviously contributes to the low size and weight of these latest models.

It's interesting to note that the CDP-S and PX-S models all share the same dimensions, so it's likely that most of the bottom case and parts of the upper case are reused, with "snap-in" panels for different specs (pitchbend, knobs etc.). Personally, I really like this approach - it's very smart, and obviously a great way to achieve high economies of scale.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 07:28 AM

It is obviously triple sensor. It suppose to replace the px-160 and px-350, the software inside is no different than these models and the software is tailored for 3 sensors for generations now. Removing sensor will open a can of worms that casio will not be able to close.

It is sad they have so much new technology but always cherry pick. For Example the PX-S3000 doesn't use the new AIX sounds from CT-X but rather the old ones from CDP keyboards.
Posted By: hag01

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 08:27 AM

Biggest question for me is wheter you can play through the speakers of the PX-S 1000 sounds comming from VSTs from laptop pc.
Maybe through USB connectivity, or something like that.
Anyone know the answer?
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 09:02 AM

I read on this Kraftmusic page that the PX-S3000 has USB audio recording and playback. But I haven't seen the manual for the PX-S3000. The USB Audio feature is also not listed on the casio website. at least not yet.

I also heard that an even higher end Privia will be released later in the year. If the action is acceptable I'll be tempted to get either the PX-S3000 or that mystery higher end privia (PX-S5000?)
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 09:27 AM

Sweetwater's PX-S1000 demo video:
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 09:29 AM

Casio Privia PX-S1000 - Demo with Rich Formidoni
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 09:32 AM

Casio Privia PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 at NAMM 2019:
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 09:33 AM

NAMM 2019 Casio PX-S3000 Digital Piano:
Posted By: siros

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by hag01
Biggest question for me is wheter you can play through the speakers of the PX-S 1000 sounds comming from VSTs from laptop pc.
Maybe through USB connectivity, or something like that.
Anyone know the answer?


From the spec, it has audio line in, so yes, it is possible.
However, I doubt any quality VSTs would sound good on those small speakers.
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 12:21 PM

An interesting Roland FP-10 vs Casio's Privia PX-S1000/3000 digital piano comparison chart posted at the yamahamusicians.com forums

Link to the image
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by siros
Originally Posted by hag01
Biggest question for me is wheter you can play through the speakers of the PX-S 1000 sounds comming from VSTs from laptop pc.
Maybe through USB connectivity, or something like that.
Anyone know the answer?


From the spec, it has audio line in, so yes, it is possible.
However, I doubt any quality VSTs would sound good on those small speakers.

Exactly. You should do it the other way around, i.e. play the sound of the PX-S on decent external speakers - or headphones. The speakers on most DPs do not make any justice to the on-board sounds.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by halherta
An interesting Roland FP-10 vs Casio's Privia PX-S1000/3000 digital piano comparison chart posted at the yamahamusicians.com forums

Link to the image


The FP-10 weights ca. 1 Kg more than the PX-S. That means higher quality materials and components were used. The FP-10 is the clear winner.

On a serious note: Casio is unbeatable at this price range. Hope they have done a good job with the new action. The previous PX action is ok-ish but is one of the loudest/noisiest actions I ever played.
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 01:37 PM

Can't wait to see how the new Casio action compares to the P515 and ES8. I liked the grand piano sound of the PX860, but wasn't crazy about the keyboard. Assuming the sound is the same and the action is improved, the PX 1000 could be the DP to beat in the sub $2000 category. This comment from one reviewer makes me very optimistic:

Quote
From my perspective as an end user and prospective customer I have to say this is one of the most beautiful feeling keybeds I have ever rested my fingers on...and trust me, I am NOT easy to please!

[more]
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by oscar1
It suppose to replace the px-160 and px-350, the software inside is no different than these models


I agree that most of the obvious differences are in hardware (new action, new chassis, different speakers, battery operation), but there are software differences too... they mention a "Newly-Enhanced AiR Sound Source" - which may or may not refer to something more/other than the specifically listed differences like 192 polyphony vs 128, adjustable string and damper resonance, etc. Regardless, these things tell us they didn't just drop the existing sound software into new hardware unaltered.

Originally Posted by oscar1
It is sad they have so much new technology but always cherry pick. For Example the PX-S3000 doesn't use the new AIX sounds from CT-X but rather the old ones from CDP keyboards.
I assume you're talking about the non-piano sounds. It is possible that AiX and AiR are not similar enough to be easily (or cost effectively) built into the same keyboard. That said, how do you know the sounds come from the CDP (Dual-element AHL)? I don't think they've used those in a Privia in something like 15 years, you'd have to go back to the PX-100 series.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 02:56 PM

Both PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 seem to be great deals for the money. I wonder if the engine is truely improved ... it seems to me it's almost the same AIR engines they used for PX-5S, amazing keyboard that I have and enjoy playing and do tons of interesting new sounds and effects with it. Probably the future PX-S5000 will be a rival for PX-5S ...
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Korny
Both PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 seem to be great deals for the money. I wonder if the engine is truely improved ... it seems to me it's almost the same AIR engines they used for PX-5S, amazing keyboard that I have and enjoy playing and do tons of interesting new sounds and effects with it. Probably the future PX-S5000 will be a rival for PX-5S ...

The PX-5S and 560 already have a quite impressive sound engine....
Posted By: Lazerlike42

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 03:10 PM

From the YamahaMusician's topic, this is supposedly directly from a Casio rep:

"As well as being one of the smallest actions available, it also models the hammer response timing of each individual note in realtime. This is combined with physical scaling to produce something that feels really good. However, what is really impressive is that we measure not only note-on velocity but also note-off speed, so as to provide a much more refined key off response. Surprisingly, early prototypes with the same configuration as our Tri-Sensor mechanism were good, but by reconfiguring the actions with two repositioned sensors, the system worked even better."

This answers a few questions that have been under discussion here:

1) The action seems to only use two sensors (unless the rep means that they moved two of the three sensors and kept the third in the same place, but I find this an improbable parsing of the rep's words). However, in the development of the new action they first tried using three sensors and went to two sensors because testing showed that the two sensors actually worked better.

2) The "smart action" and "digital simulation" does in fact mean what I thought it might: they model the slight differences in timing response for each key on the keyboard caused by the differences in weight on a real piano.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Lazerlike42
The action seems to only use two sensors (unless the rep means that they moved two of the three sensors and kept the third in the same place, but I find this an improbable parsing of the rep's words).

I agree that's the more likely reading, but we'll see. And I'm sure some people would be unhappy about it, and some legitimately so if that behavior is something they rely on. But overall, very little playing depends on it, and I'd rather have a great feeling 2-sensor board than a lesser feeling 3-sensor board.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 04:37 PM

If the action is 3-sensor and the feeling, as portrait in this clip here; https://youtu.be/JnIQzHrV-8A and it can really be played with ease to the fall-board then this is something else...I look forward to trying it out!
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Lazerlike42

"As well as being one of the smallest actions available, it also models the hammer response timing of each individual note in realtime.


Interesting. What does this mean? I assume we're just talking about ms-level delays on sounding bass notes as it "takes longer" for a heavier hammer to fly and strike the string at a given key velocity? Or is there some more complex behavior going on here?
Posted By: Lazerlike42

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by Lazerlike42

"As well as being one of the smallest actions available, it also models the hammer response timing of each individual note in realtime.


Interesting. What does this mean? I assume we're just talking about ms-level delays on sounding bass notes as it "takes longer" for a heavier hammer to fly and strike the string at a given key velocity? Or is there some more complex behavior going on here?


I am not an expert on the mechanics of a piano so I don't know if this is all of it, but I assume that this is at least part of it.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 05:12 PM

Yes, I'm not interrogating you personally, I just found this statement to be interesting smile Thanks for providing the quote!
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by oscar1
the PX-S3000 doesn't use the new AIX sounds from CT-X but rather the old ones from CDP keyboards.

Actually, the PX-S3000 includes all the new AIX sounds, according to this, skip to about the 6:40 mark
Posted By: Mike_Martin

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by brooster
Touch Response : 5 sensitivity levels

That doesn't sound good.


High resolution. Over 16k steps. Not just 128.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Mike_Martin

Originally Posted by brooster
Touch Response : 5 sensitivity levels

That doesn't sound good.


High resolution. Over 16k steps. Not just 128.


Now that sounds Good!
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Lazerlike42
From the YamahaMusician's topic, this is supposedly directly from a Casio rep:

"As well as being one of the smallest actions available, it also models the hammer response timing of each individual note in realtime. This is combined with physical scaling to produce something that feels really good. However, what is really impressive is that we measure not only note-on velocity but also note-off speed, so as to provide a much more refined key off response. Surprisingly, early prototypes with the same configuration as our Tri-Sensor mechanism were good, but by reconfiguring the actions with two repositioned sensors, the system worked even better."

This answers a few questions that have been under discussion here:

1) The action seems to only use two sensors (unless the rep means that they moved two of the three sensors and kept the third in the same place, but I find this an improbable parsing of the rep's words). However, in the development of the new action they first tried using three sensors and went to two sensors because testing showed that the two sensors actually worked better.

2) The "smart action" and "digital simulation" does in fact mean what I thought it might: they model the slight differences in timing response for each key on the keyboard caused by the differences in weight on a real piano.



Not sure how to interpret the comment on the sensors, but the previous generation of Privia keyboards, namely the PX-360, 560 and 5S...
- had three sensors,
- supported high-res MIDI, i.e. 16K velocity range and
- supported note-off velocity.

So, Casio might have improved the action feel and the accuracy of the velocity readings, but none of these features is really new.
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/25/19 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by oscar1
the PX-S3000 doesn't use the new AIX sounds from CT-X but rather the old ones from CDP keyboards.

Actually, the PX-S3000 includes all the new AIX sounds, according to this, skip to about the 6:40 mark

Yes, heard that today watching the video. So that's good. Sure their web is not yet set well because none of these things are mentioned there.
Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
. . .

Not sure how to interpret the comment on the sensors, but the previous generation of Privia keyboards, namely the PX-360, 560 and 5S...
- had three sensors,
- supported high-res MIDI, i.e. 16K velocity range and
- supported note-off velocity.

So, Casio might have improved the action feel and the accuracy of the velocity readings, but none of these features is really new.


I just checked my PX-350, which I _believe_ has the same keyboard as the PX-360 et al . . . :

. . . "Note off" velocity is fixed at 64.

So "variable note-off velocity" is a genuinely new feature in the new action.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
Originally Posted by arc7urus
. . .

Not sure how to interpret the comment on the sensors, but the previous generation of Privia keyboards, namely the PX-360, 560 and 5S...
- had three sensors,
- supported high-res MIDI, i.e. 16K velocity range and
- supported note-off velocity.

So, Casio might have improved the action feel and the accuracy of the velocity readings, but none of these features is really new.


I just checked my PX-350, which I _believe_ has the same keyboard as the PX-360 et al . . . :

. . . "Note off" velocity is fixed at 64.

So "variable note-off velocity" is a genuinely new feature in the new action.


Hi! Have a look at this doc that describes the PX-360/560 MIDI implementation. I also confirm that my PX-560 does send note-off velocity and hi-res MIDI velocity messages. The PX-5S, which is an older model, also supports them. And the 360 shares the same MIDI specs. The note-off velocity value can actually be used to trigger effects in the hex-layer sounds. Most Privia DPs used the same keyboard/action for a while. But the sound engine on the 350 and 360 is not the same. Anyway, let's see if Casio releases a proper replacement of the 560...
Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 04:34 AM

Well, the PX-5S is the same generation as the PX-350, and uses the same action. So, if _it_ sends variable Note-Off velocities, Casio deliberately "dumbed-down" the PX-350 keyboard!

Grrrr . . . .

My test was using Pianoteq's "MIDI display" screen -- all the "Note Off" messages had velocity=64 (= 40x). I don't think there's a menu item, on the PX-350, that turns "variable Note On velocity" on and off.

Progress is slow, but inexorable.<g>
Posted By: Mike_Martin

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Charles Cohen


I just checked my PX-350, which I _believe_ has the same keyboard as the PX-360 et al . . . :

. . . "Note off" velocity is fixed at 64.

So "variable note-off velocity" is a genuinely new feature in the new action.



It was not a feature of the PX-350 but was enabled on the PX-5S.

Yes it is a feature of the new PX-S series.
Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 01:36 PM

Thanks, Mike.
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 02:38 PM

One interesting thing is that as this new key action was designed specifically for the "slim" CDP-S and PX-S models, then what will the future "fat" Privia and Celviano models use?

Oh well, too early for that now. But probably there will be something different then. Let the speculations begin... wink
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
Well, the PX-5S is the same generation as the PX-350, and uses the same action. So, if _it_ sends variable Note-Off velocities, Casio deliberately "dumbed-down" the PX-350 keyboard!

The PX5S came out quite a bit later, I think about a year after the PX350. So the 350 wasn't dumbed down, but the PX5S was improved. ;-)
Posted By: jon123

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 07:35 PM

Here's an image comparing the old action to the new action:
https://www.casio-intl.com/media/emi/images/hammer_action.jpg
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by jon123
Here's an image comparing the old action to the new action:
https://www.casio-intl.com/media/emi/images/hammer_action.jpg

The pivot point doesn't look too good.
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
The pivot point doesn't look too good.


And you can't change the laws of physics with any "smart" software no matter how "smart" it is. smile

So the question is: Was it worth it?

Especially as the "slimness" is then cancelled by the music rest. Whereas in some of the "fat" Privias it doesn't add any depth.

Well, maybe it's nicer to carry around and the gig bag is quite "smart" too with pockets for the "slim" triple pedal and the said music rest.

In home use it doesn't really bring much if any benefit. Unless one only plays by ear.

(I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic.)

How about developing "slim" speakers instead that would leave room for proper length keys? laugh
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 08:26 PM

I highly doubt that the PXS-1000/3000's action is going to be better than that of the P515, ES8, FP-90 or MP11SE. I think that would be an unfair expectation. But if it is better than other actions found in similarly priced and similarly sized DPs such as the P-125, FP-10/30 or the Numa Compact 2X, I'd declare it a win for Casio.
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/26/19 09:42 PM

Never tried a PX-870, but I owned a PX-860 and my issues with the keyboard were 'bounce' and mechanical noise, if I played at low volume or with headphones.

From these two posts, sounds like those issues may have been addressed with the new 1000/3000 keyboard:

https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/v...59436d802df02e250e3&start=195#p75338

https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/v...59436d802df02e250e3&start=195#p75349

I did love the sound of the 860. And this post indicates the 1000/3000 sound may be even better:

https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/v...59436d802df02e250e3&start=195#p75351
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by oscar1
It suppose to replace the px-160 and px-350, the software inside is no different than these models


Originally Posted by oscar1
It is sad they have so much new technology but always cherry pick. For Example the PX-S3000 doesn't use the new AIX sounds from CT-X but rather the old ones from CDP keyboards.
I assume you're talking about the non-piano sounds. It is possible that AiX and AiR are not similar enough to be easily (or cost effectively) built into the same keyboard. That said, how do you know the sounds come from the CDP (Dual-element AHL)? I don't think they've used those in a Privia in something like 15 years, you'd have to go back to the PX-100 series.


It seems that the S3000 in fact has the AiX sounds from the ct-x. The casio web site is now awfully lacking in clear system with so many models and engines or some sort of proper comparison table. There are many upgrades/downgrades and sidegrades between models and it is not obvious which are in fact top models or how the s1000 compares with say PX870 etc...
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 12:43 AM

On the casio forum I've been told by mike martin that the S1000 has an entirely new engine from the PX-870 and does sound differently (similar but not the same). So after recycling the same sound for generations, now they changing it too fast. The last year PX-870 with improved engine is not yet in Costco and there is already a new privia on the horizon with a newer engine. I was going to upgrade to PX-870 but now I think I will wait for new gen console piano from casio.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 01:07 AM

Nice Videos!

Casio Privia PX-S1000 - Demo by Max Tempia #1

Casio Privia PX-S1000 - Demo by Max Tempia #2

Casio Privia PX-S1000 Presentazione by Max Tempia (ENG SUB)

カシオ「Privia PX-S1000」で「戦メリ」を演奏中

カシオの電子ピアノ「Privia PX-S1000」デモ演奏
Posted By: Lazerlike42

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 01:17 AM

The first digital piano I bought (I am relatively young perhaps compared to many here) was a PX330. I had just gotten my first real job and was looking for a digital piano. I'd never really thought of Casio but was very, very impressed in the store. What really sold me on it over other brands was the lower register, which had a powerful, metallic (in a good way) sound that just reminded me of a real piano.

Unfortunately, once I had it home I quickly soured on it because there was this very unpleasant sound in the octave and a half or so above middle C, especially that A above middle C. It's hard to describe but it was this very harsh, almost-buzzing-but-not-really sound in the sustain. Over time it became very difficult to listen to so first I bought Ivory and used it as a controller, and eventually I saved up some more money and traded it in for an RD-700NX.

Still, there was a lot I liked about that piano and about other Casios I would see in the store over the years. They really do a nice job with the visual aesthetic/design of their instruments and I have been tempted to buy another Casio just from that design several times. What's always kept me from it has been that when I play in that middle register and let the note ring out, that awful buzz/ringing comes through loud and clear. I keep hoping they'll get rid of that because otherwise I do like their sounds. The most recent one I tried was the PX-5S and that still had it to my ear. I wonder if this round it will be gone. Judging from youtube videos, I think it's still there, but it's hard to say so I look forward to trying one myself.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 01:33 AM

I’m possibly in the market for relatively cheap and very lightweight/slim stage piano for gigging with friends and these new models tick many boxes. What’s the actual difference between S1000 and S3000?
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
I’m possibly in the market for relatively cheap and very lightweight/slim stage piano for gigging with friends and these new models tick many boxes. What’s the actual difference between S1000 and S3000?


The PX-S3000 is got 700 tones vs 18 on the PX-S1000. It also has 200 rhythms, two knobs and a slider, and an LCD screen. It also has controls that makes selecting different sounds and effects easier as opposed to the PX-S1000's pressing combinations of the piano keys and buttons to access these functions. If I were to buy one tomorrow, I'd definitely get a PX-S3000. Or better yet wait for a higher end model (PX-S5000???) with even more functionality.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 01:51 AM

Some big ones... S1000 has 18 sounds vs 700 sounds in the S3000. S3000 also has pitch bend wheel, assignable knobs, built-in rhythms/accompaniment.
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by halherta
I read on this Kraftmusic page that the PX-S3000 has USB audio recording and playback. But I haven't seen the manual for the PX-S3000. The USB Audio feature is also not listed on the casio website. at least not yet.

I also heard that an even higher end Privia will be released later in the year. If the action is acceptable I'll be tempted to get either the PX-S3000 or that mystery higher end privia (PX-S5000?)


Correction: The PX-S3000 does NOT have a USB audio interface. Just audio recording to .wav files onto a USB flash drive
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by halherta
Originally Posted by CyberGene
I’m possibly in the market for relatively cheap and very lightweight/slim stage piano for gigging with friends and these new models tick many boxes. What’s the actual difference between S1000 and S3000?


The PX-S3000 is got 700 tones vs 18 on the PX-S1000. It also has 200 rhythms, two knobs and a slider, and an LCD screen. It also has controls that makes selecting different sounds and effects easier as opposed to the PX-S1000's pressing combinations of the piano keys and buttons to access these functions. If I were to buy one tomorrow, I'd definitely get a PX-S3000. Or better yet wait for a higher end model (PX-S5000???) with even more functionality.


Correction: not a slider....I meant a pitch bend wheel!!!!
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Originally Posted by JoeT
The pivot point doesn't look too good.


And you can't change the laws of physics with any "smart" software no matter how "smart" it is. smile

Indeed. And it doesn't matter, if it's playable near the pivot. When you play the white keys at the fallboard and the black keys at the front (depending on hand geometry), short pivot physics create a large difference in key weight, which is going to feel and sound bad.

Originally Posted by halherta
I highly doubt that the PXS-1000/3000's action is going to be better than that of the P515, ES8, FP-90 or MP11SE. I think that would be an unfair expectation. But if it is better than other actions found in similarly priced and similarly sized DPs such as the P-125, FP-10/30 or the Numa Compact 2X, I'd declare it a win for Casio.

Kawai managed to put this into a very compact enclosure without charging more than $800:

[Linked Image]

The control panel just hovers above the keys.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by halherta
Originally Posted by CyberGene
I’m possibly in the market for relatively cheap and very lightweight/slim stage piano for gigging with friends and these new models tick many boxes. What’s the actual difference between S1000 and S3000?


The PX-S3000 is got 700 tones vs 18 on the PX-S1000. It also has 200 rhythms, two knobs and a slider, and an LCD screen. It also has controls that makes selecting different sounds and effects easier as opposed to the PX-S1000's pressing combinations of the piano keys and buttons to access these functions. If I were to buy one tomorrow, I'd definitely get a PX-S3000. Or better yet wait for a higher end model (PX-S5000???) with even more functionality.

Thanks. Wondering if there will be a PX-5S replacement too. I like the idea of PX-5S but never liked their piano and electric piano sounds. If they improve those and keep the advanced features such as hex-layer editing and huge array of effects it would be a killer one.
Posted By: PianoStartsAt33

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 12:17 PM

You can order PX-S3000 for 1000$ in Russia: https://mospiano.ru/goods/Casio-PX-S3000BK?from=ZGMz&mod_id=174307259
What about your regions, guys?
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
Wondering if there will be a PX-5S replacement too. I like the idea of PX-5S but never liked their piano and electric piano sounds.

Casio rep Mike Martin in another forum implied that we might see something like that in about a year. But AFAIK, the PX-5S still has Casio's best EPs thus far, esp. with the Dave Weiser designed free downloads available for it, which Mike said are also being made available for the PX560. Those are hexlayer based, so we wouldn't see those for these new models, but they have talked about these new models having a strong Wurli, at least.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
You can order PX-S3000 for 1000$ in Russia: https://mospiano.ru/goods/Casio-PX-S3000BK?from=ZGMz&mod_id=174307259
What about your regions, guys?

I'm only seeing pre-orders here in the USA so far. Musician's Friend, for example, has the PX-S1000 for $599, the PX-S3000 for $799, and the CDP-350 for $499.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 06:29 PM

The Casio PX-S3000 won best in show at Winter NAMM 2019
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by brooster
The Casio PX-S3000 won best in show at Winter NAMM 2019

Silly judges: don't they know we already used physics upthread to prove that it's a bad piano?! wink laugh
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 09:23 PM

Hello all,

So, I was all set to order my ES110 tomorrow (my very first piano!) but now I've found out about these… I don't know. Is it maybe worth waiting until they are available, I wonder? I am using a Yamaha DGX-640 at the moment (not mince). My main intent is to never use the frills and all the functions, just to learn to play on a DP that is as close as possible to an acoustic (feel, sound). It also needs to be lightweight, and it seems quite good to me that these Casios can record onto USB, which I do regularly (it would be more fiddly on the ES110, I gathered).

Is there no set date for when these will be available? Are they worth the wait? Anyone actually seen one in the flesh (or plastic…)? Thanks!
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 09:36 PM

Musician's Friend lists the PX-S3000 as expected in late April. Take that for what it's worth ...
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Hello all,

So, I was all set to order my ES110 tomorrow (my very first piano!) but now I've found out about these… I don't know. Is it maybe worth waiting until they are available, I wonder? I am using a Yamaha DGX-640 at the moment (not mince). My main intent is to never use the frills and all the functions, just to learn to play on a DP that is as close as possible to an acoustic (feel, sound). It also needs to be lightweight, and it seems quite good to me that these Casios can record onto USB, which I do regularly (it would be more fiddly on the ES110, I gathered).

Is there no set date for when these will be available? Are they worth the wait? Anyone actually seen one in the flesh (or plastic…)? Thanks!

Can you continue to borrow the Yamaha DGX-640 for a while longer? Because if you need to give it back, your hands may be tied. Also, consider if you are traveling extensively through Europe the possibility it might be cheaper to buy piano in one of the other locations where you will be.
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Hello all,

So, I was all set to order my ES110 tomorrow (my very first piano!) but now I've found out about these… I don't know. Is it maybe worth waiting until they are available, I wonder? I am using a Yamaha DGX-640 at the moment (not mince). My main intent is to never use the frills and all the functions, just to learn to play on a DP that is as close as possible to an acoustic (feel, sound). It also needs to be lightweight, and it seems quite good to me that these Casios can record onto USB, which I do regularly (it would be more fiddly on the ES110, I gathered).

Is there no set date for when these will be available? Are they worth the wait? Anyone actually seen one in the flesh (or plastic…)? Thanks!


I would wait until the Casio is available at this point just to compare the two and see which one you like better.
I traded in 3 boards for a Yamaha P125 last summer (including a Casio PX130) and am considering the PX1000s as well
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/27/19 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
You can order PX-S3000 for 1000$ in Russia: https://mospiano.ru/goods/Casio-PX-S3000BK?from=ZGMz&mod_id=174307259
What about your regions, guys?

I'm only seeing pre-orders here in the USA so far. Musician's Friend, for example, has the PX-S1000 for $599, the PX-S3000 for $799, and the CDP-350 for $499.


Also note that if you sign up for MF's mailing list or GC you can often get discounts of 15%-20% off more . I've done this for every purchase I have.
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 12:25 AM

I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.
Posted By: spanishbuddha

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by sullivang
I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit

Greg.

+1
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 07:33 AM

This is the best demo I've heard. Very impressed with it at NAMM. Night and day difference over the older model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_...gpYuIZILha2EKVyTU1BJ1XH5gijNrOO5l_STRC6A
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
This is the best demo I've heard. Very impressed with it at NAMM. Night and day difference over the older model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_...gpYuIZILha2EKVyTU1BJ1XH5gijNrOO5l_STRC6A

I’ve also seen the two demos by this guy Max Tempia on YouTube. Wow, this guy! What a fluent and rich harmonic thinking. Reminds me of Bill Evans. It’s great when piano companies hire real top-notch classical and jazz pianists to showcase their instruments.
Posted By: MossySF

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 08:30 AM

Until we can play it in person, it's hard to make any concrete decisions (e.g. key action feel, piano engine) ...

... but on pure features, wow does the PX-S3000 look good for the price. And the glossy black minimalistic look ... thumbs up.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 10:05 AM

Yeah, it does look a lot better than the ES110 I was going for, that people have labelled "a little cheap looking". But looks where not my concern, more sound and feel/touch, so I guess I might have to wait until more personal reviews come out (and maybe comparisons with Roland FP-30 and ES110) or perhaps until I can see one, if that ever happens.

The three pedal option looks very intriguing too.

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
Also note that if you sign up for MF's mailing list or GC you can often get discounts of 15%-20% off more . I've done this for every purchase I have.


Are those based on the American continent?

There seems to be a huge price difference between the US and the UK (Privia PX-S3000 at $799 in the US and £795 in the UK). Why would that be? Does it make it cheaper to just order from the US and pay import tax?

I think my best move is to wait then. I have to let go of the Yamaha DGX-640 I'm using at the end of March, and then go travelling, so perhaps I should consider taking a break in my learning while I wait for the Casios to come out in April.

Thanks, all!
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
There seems to be a huge price difference between the US and the UK (Privia PX-S3000 at $799 in the US and £795 in the UK). Why would that be?

Taxes.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
I think my best move is to wait then. I have to let go of the Yamaha DGX-640 I'm using at the end of March, and then go travelling, so perhaps I should consider taking a break in my learning while I wait for the Casios to come out in April.

Thanks, all!

When I went to order our ES110 in Amsterdam, ended up I ordering it from Thomann's, which at that time, had it the cheapest including shipping. I note that the Thomann's website doesn't have the new Casios listed yet, but if you are waiting, they might be listing it in the coming days, and when they do, you might find it worth checking there.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 12:01 PM

Thanks! I'd actually put the ES110 in my Thomann basket before deciding otherwise! I noticed too that they don't offer a pre-order option on the Privias, although Woodbrass in France do. They offer the PX-S3000 on pre-order at 899€ and supposedly can ship it in three weeks…

I definitely will wait. It might just be absolute perfect timing, actually. The PX-S3000 looks so good, now I've watched the videos! The friend who is lending me the Yamaha DGX-640 has been playing it (and only that) for 8 years, so if I'm going to have my first piano for that long, I want it to be the right one.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
The friend who is lending me the Yamaha DGX-640 has been playing it (and only that) for 8 years, so if I'm going to have my first piano for that long, I want it to be the right one.

Yeah that would be wise. As mentioned in the thread above, PX-S3000 obviously wow'ed many of the NAMM visitors too as they voted it the best digital piano in the show.
Posted By: EssBrace

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by sullivang
I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.


I agree. The main piano sound is still the same sample. They may be processing it differently but there's the unmistakeable Casio plinky-plonky sound in the mid range. There's another one off my list!....
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by sullivang
I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.


I agree. The main piano sound is still the same sample. They may be processing it differently but there's the unmistakeable Casio plinky-plonky sound in the mid range. There's another one off my list!....


Can you guys be more specific as to what you mean sound-wise, for the benefit of my Boeotian ears… How could you qualify that bad sound? Would you have a more vivid description than "plinky-plonk". I'm new to this all and trying to determine what a good sound is in a DP trying to mimic an acoustic piano.

Thanks.
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 04:01 PM

I'd get the PX-S3000 over the PX-S1000 if to only avoid having to select different sounds/effects using keys + function button combinations.
Posted By: AlphaBravoCharlie

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by sullivang
I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.


I agree. The main piano sound is still the same sample. They may be processing it differently but there's the unmistakeable Casio plinky-plonky sound in the mid range. There's another one off my list!....


Indeed. All this fancy looking new case doesn't matter if the sound remians the same. I'm wondering if they used x50 era sample or improvementow x70, which was supposed to be improved.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 04:05 PM

PX-S1000 review here:

https://www.keyboardmag.com/gear/review-casio-privia-px-s1000
Posted By: EssBrace

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by sullivang
I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.


I agree. The main piano sound is still the same sample. They may be processing it differently but there's the unmistakeable Casio plinky-plonky sound in the mid range. There's another one off my list!....


Can you guys be more specific as to what you mean sound-wise, for the benefit of my Boeotian ears… How could you qualify that bad sound? Would you have a more vivid description than "plinky-plonk". I'm new to this all and trying to determine what a good sound is in a DP trying to mimic an acoustic piano.

Thanks.


Sorry, that's just how I've always heard the Casio piano tone...it is their Steinway sample. It is also on their GP series of console digital uprights as Hamburg Grand.

In the upper mids, about an octave and a half or so above middle C, I hear it as a very one dimensional 'plink' type of sound, lacking in nuance or depth. It's the attack sound in a few notes. Or I should say it comes across as the attack with no body or depth behind it. It sounds okay in some of the other registers but for me that overly simplistic tone, which I could also describe as being 'toy-like' in the mids is a deal breaker. I'm just quite sensitive to certain issues in piano sounds I'm afraid.

Casios also used to suffer from a distinct lack of decay time, or 'ring time'. I don't know whether they rectified that on their newest sound engine.
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 05:19 PM

So far I've heard that the PX-S1000/3000 action is good and quiet. My question is how good and how quiet? Is the action as good as the one on the Privia PX-560 ? or better? I know this can be very subjective. Any insight into the PX-S1000/3000s action playability and noisy-ness would be great.
Posted By: aCaPellA

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 08:01 PM

On the Japanese Casio site, there is a Soundcloud demo "PX - S3000 Demo". Sounds good to me, especially for the price.

https://casio.jp/emi/products/pxs3000/
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 08:55 PM

For comparison here's a real Steinway in a somewhat similar jazz fusion context:

https://soundcloud.com/clothearednincompoop/steinwayfusion/s-84IEc

(Unless some automatic content matching catches it. It is under copyright...but hey. Just a short clip for educational porpoises.)
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 10:40 PM

Yep I can tell EssBrace is noticing the same things as me. I haven't listened with my best headphones yet though. I'd definitely still considering buying one though, because the onboard sounds aren't critical. My PX-330 is getting old now.

Greg.
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 10:59 PM

I think Casio should also consider adding some 76/73-keys to either their new Privia or CDP lines with the same action. Sure the 88 keys are very light and compact, but remove some of the keys and you'll have something even more portable and light. From what I've seen in the forums, many would buy a 76/73 keys version.
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/28/19 11:47 PM

I'd love a 76 key A-C version for sure - but I'm in the minority.

Greg
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/29/19 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by halherta
From what I've seen in the forums, many would buy a 76/73 keys version.


Yes, that would be cool, but I assume this would require new plastic moulds to be produced for the lower and upper case, so is perhaps unlikely to happen.

James
x
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/29/19 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by aCaPellA
On the Japanese Casio site, there is a Soundcloud demo "PX - S3000 Demo". Sounds good to me, especially for the price.

https://casio.jp/emi/products/pxs3000/

Thanks for that link. I changed the URL and there's a 1000 sound file as well:

https://casio.jp/emi/products/pxs1000/
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/29/19 12:17 AM

They both look interesting, but if I 'need' a DP (may happen soon) then it will be for home use and shaving off a few inches in depth won't make any difference, but the idea of a 'slab' (or whatever you call it) appeals in case of having to return it, get it fixed etc.. On the contrary, adding a few inches in depth and providing longer keys would be more tempting, although until more is known about how well the keys work I guess commenting on that is jumping the gun.
I like the idea of the 3 pedal unit not being attached to the stand but wonder if free-standing units should be designed so that they can be 'tethered' in some way to whatever stand / support is used. My pedal is reasonably static on some surfaces but is pretty mobile others and wonder how much fun it would be to chase a 3 pedal unit around the floor!
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/29/19 03:04 AM

-->Listen to these Demos!<--

Casio Soundcloud PX-S3000 WoW!

Casio Soundcloud PX-S3000

Casio Soundcloud PX-S1000 Nice!

Casio Soundcloud PX-S1000
Posted By: Mike_Martin

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/29/19 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
For comparison here's a real Steinway in a somewhat similar jazz fusion context:

https://soundcloud.com/clothearednincompoop/steinwayfusion/s-84IEc

(Unless some automatic content matching catches it. It is under copyright...but hey. Just a short clip for educational porpoises.)


This is Casio's Hybrid GP-500 in a LIVE jazz context recorded at NAMM. The PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 have nearly all of the nuance and detail from the GP-500 plus an improved version of the Hamburg sample.

Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/30/19 02:25 AM

I don't think the 73 key version of casio would be ever build - that would be a requirement of gigging musicians and I don't think somehow these people are the ones buying privias. Haven't seen that many privias on stage (not even 5s) and I had been on stage as a tech with 50 or more well known groups.
People mostly buy privias for kids to practice at home and the 88 key is an requirement. Casio has the market cornered and I assume on $500 piano the margins are pretty slim. The fact that the new S privias come pretty close to the premium sound of the GP is actually awesome and it shows which market is casio chasing now. Yep, despite the GP being nice and shiny I haven't seen those much in music halls either over here (japan may be different, I don't know). It is either yamaha or kawai. Probably casio knows who is their market now.
Posted By: Lazerlike42

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/30/19 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by sullivang
I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.


I agree. The main piano sound is still the same sample. They may be processing it differently but there's the unmistakeable Casio plinky-plonky sound in the mid range. There's another one off my list!....


Can you guys be more specific as to what you mean sound-wise, for the benefit of my Boeotian ears… How could you qualify that bad sound? Would you have a more vivid description than "plinky-plonk". I'm new to this all and trying to determine what a good sound is in a DP trying to mimic an acoustic piano.

Thanks.


Sorry, that's just how I've always heard the Casio piano tone...it is their Steinway sample. It is also on their GP series of console digital uprights as Hamburg Grand.

In the upper mids, about an octave and a half or so above middle C, I hear it as a very one dimensional 'plink' type of sound, lacking in nuance or depth. It's the attack sound in a few notes. Or I should say it comes across as the attack with no body or depth behind it. It sounds okay in some of the other registers but for me that overly simplistic tone, which I could also describe as being 'toy-like' in the mids is a deal breaker. I'm just quite sensitive to certain issues in piano sounds I'm afraid.

Casios also used to suffer from a distinct lack of decay time, or 'ring time'. I don't know whether they rectified that on their newest sound engine.


For me that range on Casio has also been consistently problematic over the years, but I wouldn't describe it in these terms. I hear it as a harsh, almost buzz like sound. It's very difficult to describe but it is almost like a very thin and mechanical sound is looping over and over.
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/30/19 03:39 AM

To my ears all digital pianos that I've heard sound very thin and mechanical (some more than others but that thinness mechanical / artificial sound is always there). None come anywhere close to a real acoustic piano (upright or grand). The closest I could get to the real thing sound wise was with the use of VSTs.
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 01/30/19 10:48 PM

It also depends on how you listen to the real piano, the room it is in it and if you recording how you mic them. The last part is of course most problematic and more like an art by itself. The soundboard on acoustic piano is huge - even the biggest speakers cannot compare to it, it vibrates the air far differently than any directional speakers could. It can fill a large room without deafening the player unlike digital piano that may scream to player ears but sound gets quickly absorbed by the room for anybody else. So yes, sitting behind real piano and digital piano will give you way different feel, sound and experience. It should.
This all changes when you want to mic and record the piano or use piano on stage with a band. Without good sound engineer you will likely end up far worse than with a digital piano and its sound output.
I say digital pianos are category by themselves and it changed the music dramatically. Anybody can afford to have decent piano sound now.
Posted By: Omar Mostafa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/02/19 02:15 PM

SO does anyone know when these will be released in the US?
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/02/19 07:07 PM

Scheduled for the end of February.
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/03/19 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by oscar1
I don't think the 73 key version of casio would be ever build - that would be a requirement of gigging musicians and I don't think somehow these people are the ones buying privias. Haven't seen that many privias on stage (not even 5s) and I had been on stage as a tech with 50 or more well known groups.
People mostly buy privias for kids to practice at home and the 88 key is an requirement. Casio has the market cornered and I assume on $500 piano the margins are pretty slim. The fact that the new S privias come pretty close to the premium sound of the GP is actually awesome and it shows which market is casio chasing now. Yep, despite the GP being nice and shiny I haven't seen those much in music halls either over here (japan may be different, I don't know). It is either yamaha or kawai. Probably casio knows who is their market now.


I've seen plenty of gigging musician's use the PX-560 at live gigs.I'm also seeing more digital piano manufacturers release 68/73/76 key pianos not just for the gigging musicians as is the case with the yamaha CP88 or Dexibell VIVO S1, but also for the home market such as Yamaha's P-121. I think it makes some sense for Casio to release a 73 key version of one of its Privia models, Perhaps an upcoming (I'm speculating here!!!) stage piano PX-S5000/7000 models that would offer even more portability to go with the new actions and sounds.

I myself prefer 88 keys, But others; specially gigging musicians but also some home players may prefer 73 keys.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/03/19 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by halherta
I'm also seeing more digital piano manufacturers release 68/73/76 key pianos not just for the gigging musicians as is the case with the yamaha CP88 or Dexibell VIVO S1, but also for the home market such as Yamaha's P-121.

One more variable is that the initial tooling for new plastic molds is very expensive (more so the larger and more substantial they get), so you have to have high confidence that you will be able to use the chassis for a high quantity of units to make back that fabrication cost. I think that's why the vast majority of these sub-88 hammer action board's you're talking about are metal chassis boards. (Nord, Korg, and Kurzweil 7x-key hammer action boards fall into this category as well.) The "startup cost" for creating a 7x version of an 88-key metal board is much lower than for creating a 7x version of an 88-key plastic board. So this is something that makes it harder for Casio to do a 7x-key Privia. They'd have to be confident of high volume sales of 7x-key boards, or they would have to shift from plastic to metal chassis. And unless you go with high priced metal like aluminum (not feasible if you're aiming for Casio-like retail prices), this also means you end up with a much heavier board, which would mean the plastic chassis 88, despite being longer, would still be the more "portable" board.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/03/19 03:26 PM

I wonder if this means there are plans to change the PX and AP furniture models with anything from these - the sounds, the key action. I'd have thought the sounds perhaps, but not sure how the shorter keys would go down with potential buyers. Should be interesting.
Posted By: halherta

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/03/19 03:52 PM

Thanks @Kawai James & @anotherscott for bringing up the tooling startup cost for the plastic moulds needed for plastic chassis vs metal/aluminium chassis. I was unaware of this. This may very well be a major impediment to making a 73-key Privia.

But doesn't the Yamaha P-121 (with 73 keys) have a plastic enclosure? So Yamaha seemed to feel that it was worth it despite the cost. I know that Yamaha's generally sell a tonne of entry level keyboards such as the P-125 and P-121, But I'm also certain that Casio sells a tonne as well.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/03/19 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by halherta
But doesn't the Yamaha P-121 (with 73 keys) have a plastic enclosure? So Yamaha seemed to feel that it was worth it despite the cost.
I think the P121 is plastic. Which is why I said "vast majority" and not "all." ;-) Yamaha has decided to take the gamble, and since they are probably the highest volume seller, plus their boards tend to sell for a bit of a premium over Casio's, it was probably a safer bet for them than for anyone else. If Casio sees Yamaha selling a ton of P-121, that might provide the impetus for them to compete in that market as well.
Posted By: rolex67

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/03/19 04:42 PM

I can’t believe a 7x or 6X would need an aluminium or metallic chassis.
( what for?...)
If a 8X is made of plastic, of course a shorter one Would be ok for that as well both with weighted action.
( example: p121 as said above)
My opinion is it’s just a marketing decision.

It’s a pity because for travelling purpose, it would be a good answer.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/03/19 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by rolex67
I can’t believe a 7x or 6X would need an aluminium or metallic chassis.
( what for?...)
If a 8X is made of plastic, of course a shorter one Would be ok for that as well .

You missed the point. It's about the cost of producing a new mold, and comparing that to how many finished units you expect to sell. Unless you are very confident in your ability to sell many thousands of keyboards using your new 7x-sized plastic mold, it is cheaper to use metal. Once you sell in high volume, it becomes cheaper to use plastic. But before it exists, it's hard to be sure of how many people will buy your new product.
Posted By: rolex67

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/03/19 10:10 PM

Well,
perhaps you are in the business, with good knowledge of “ how to build a keyboard”
But as far as I know ( and see in the shops ex: p-121/Roland rd 64 etc, etc...) I havent seen yet anything cheaper made in metal than in plastic...
But never mind, it’s out of topic ;-)
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/04/19 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by rolex67
I havent seen yet anything cheaper made in metal than in plastic...
This is not about what you see on the market, it's about production decisions. For low volume, a metal chassis is cheaper. For high volume, a plastic chassis is cheaper. (Which is also why you often see the same plastic chassis repurposed for multiple models.)
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/04/19 10:53 AM

The cost of a new plastic mould is negligible for a company like Casio, which not only controls this part of the production chain but also targets volume markets and often reuses the same mould in several models. Anyway, Casio already has keyboards with 7x-keys. It could make some sense to introduce 88-key + 7x-key models if/when Casio replaces the PX-560 and PX-5S stage/pro pianos. But Casio did not do that in the past with these two models, so it all depend on the volume they expect to sell and if they decide to continue developing a stage/pro piano range. But the S1000 and S3000 are not replacing the PX-560 or the PX-5S.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/04/19 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
The cost of a new plastic mould is negligible for a company like Casio.

The size of the company doesn't matter, it still has to be a profitable decision. For example, unless maybe you're selling a premium priced product, you may be hesitant to spend 6 figures on design and fabrication if you only expected to sell a couple of thousand of something, because you'd have to charge too much for each one just to get your initial costs back. The fact that you're a big company doesn't change that calculus, it just means you have the resources to do it IF you think it makes financial sense.

Originally Posted by arc7urus
Casio...also targets volume markets and often reuses the same mould in several models.

That's my point. A 7x-key chassis would make sense for them if they felt confident that it was a volume market, and related to that, even better if there would be enough demand for this type of board that they could make, not just one, but multiple models (esp. higher priced variants), to maximize the return on the fabrication cost. If and when they feel confident about that, you'll probably see them. They're probably keeping an eye on how Yamaha does with the P121, and maybe how Studiologic does with the SL73 (which interestingly sells for exactly the same price as the 88 version, which provides an interesting testing ground to determine, price aside, what percentage of people prefer 73s vs 88s on their low cost hammer action boards).

Originally Posted by arc7urus
Anyway, Casio already has keyboards with 7x-keys.

Yes, but they can't use that chassis because those are for the non hammer action. (Though it's an interesting question... now that they have shrunk the size of hammer actions in the new S series, I wonder if they could fit one in something like the WK-7600 chassis. I suspect not, but I don't know.)

But to the bigger point, I suspect that boards like the WK-7600 have not sold as well as they'd have hoped, that more people by far were selecting the 61 key versions. If the 7x versions were the big sellers, you'd probably have seen 76-key versions of the subsequent MZ-X and CT-X series, which are conspicuously absent. Disappointing 76 sales might also make them hesitant about introducing a 76-key Privia, though obviously the market is not identical, and a 76-key Privia would be a smaller option whereas on a non-hammer board, a 76-key model is a bigger option. So you could also look at any disappointing WK-7600 sales the opposite way, that it means buyers prefer smaller options, which would argue in favor of the 76 piano! But that's the kind of thing they'd need to try to figure out.

Originally Posted by arc7urus
It could make some sense to introduce 88-key + 7x-key models if/when Casio replaces the PX-560 and PX-5S stage/pro pianos. But Casio did not do that in the past with these two models, so it all depend on the volume they expect to sell.

Yup, again, it depends on the volume they expect to sell.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/05/19 02:27 AM

Once again anotherscott demonstrates why he is the smartest guy in the room. wink

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Which is also why you often see the same plastic chassis repurposed for multiple models.


This. The five recently announced PX-S and CDP-S models all use the same chassis, ensuring economies of scale. I believe this was also the case for the previous generation (two generations?) PX models - including the PX-5S.

I'm very interested to see how the P-121 performs, and if Yamaha utilised any tricks to share cabinet fabrication costs with the P-125...

James
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Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/05/19 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
I'm very interested to see how the P-121 performs, and if Yamaha utilised any tricks to share cabinet fabrication costs with the P-125...

Well, the mold can't be the same, but Yamaha changed the pedal assembly for the stand, so it can be shared between different width P-121, P-125 and P-515
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/05/19 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Well, the mold can't be the same...


Right, I had wondered if perhaps Yamaha had produced a 73-key chassis that could somehow be extended for 88-keys...but I agree, this would be highly unlikely.

Originally Posted by JoeT
...but Yamaha changed the pedal assembly for the stand, so it can be shared between different width P-121, P-125 and P-515


Ah, that's true...the triple pedal box hangs down now, similar to the ES8

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/06/19 07:36 PM

Casio Privia PX-S1000 - Demo Grand Piano by Max Tempia

Casio PX S3000 NAMM SHOW 2019 MUZYKUJ
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/09/19 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Thanks! I'd actually put the ES110 in my Thomann basket before deciding otherwise! I noticed too that they don't offer a pre-order option on the Privias, although Woodbrass in France do. They offer the PX-S3000 on pre-order at 899€ and supposedly can ship it in three weeks…

I definitely will wait. It might just be absolute perfect timing, actually. The PX-S3000 looks so good, now I've watched the videos! The friend who is lending me the Yamaha DGX-640 has been playing it (and only that) for 8 years, so if I'm going to have my first piano for that long, I want it to be the right one.

The PX-S3000 is on the thomann.de site for 755.46€ (at least that's the price it shows for me).
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Thanks! I'd actually put the ES110 in my Thomann basket before deciding otherwise! I noticed too that they don't offer a pre-order option on the Privias, although Woodbrass in France do. They offer the PX-S3000 on pre-order at 899€ and supposedly can ship it in three weeks…

I definitely will wait. It might just be absolute perfect timing, actually. The PX-S3000 looks so good, now I've watched the videos! The friend who is lending me the Yamaha DGX-640 has been playing it (and only that) for 8 years, so if I'm going to have my first piano for that long, I want it to be the right one.

The PX-S3000 is on the thomann.de site for 755.46€ (at least that's the price it shows for me).


That got me excited! But alas, it shows as 899€ for me here in Germany?? Is it one of those "legal semi-cons" where they can tell what computer you're connecting with, and if it's expensive, the prices go up, I wonder? How odd. Still only on pre-order though. Wonder when I'll be able to touch one…
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
That got me excited! But alas, it shows as 899€ for me here in Germany?? Is it one of those "legal semi-cons" where they can tell what computer you're connecting with, and if it's expensive, the prices go up, I wonder?

The magic is called "taxes". You pay 143,54 € taxes, our friend from the US doesn't. wink
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 04:37 PM

But he'll have to pay import duties wink Unless Thomann opened a business in the US although it's highly unlikely they can compete with the established "sharks" over there.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
But he'll have to pay import duties wink

Thomann only shows, what they charge on the bill. They collect local taxes inside the EU as every dealership, so these are included in the display price.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 04:56 PM

Pre ordered a PX-S3000 from Adam at Kraft. Expected mid to late March.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 04:58 PM

Interesting, PX-5S isn't listed on Thomann anymore, is it due to be updated too?
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 08:32 PM

I've decided to replace my PX-330 with the S3000, when it becomes available here in Oz. I don't think it sounds fantastic (so far), but if I ever gig with it (unlikely), I'll invoke Dr Popper's prophecy:
"No-one will notice, and even if they do notice, they won't care". 🤣

Greg.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 09:36 PM

I sure would like to see the manuals for these. C'mon, Casio!
Posted By: gerhard_k

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I sure would like to see the manuals for these. C'mon, Casio!


The availability of manuals probably has a connection to the proximity of actual retail sales. So I guess we better not hold our breath just yet! sleep
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by gerhard_k
Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I sure would like to see the manuals for these. C'mon, Casio!


The availability of manuals probably has a connection to the proximity of actual retail sales. So I guess we better not hold our breath just yet! sleep

Yah, I'm sure you're right. However, if they'd post the manuals, it might tempt me into pre-ordering one! laugh
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by sullivang
I'll invoke Dr Popper's prophecy:
"No-one will notice, and even if they do notice, they won't care". 🤣


Nice!
That's a name I haven't heard in a while...

I doubt all the young'uns on this forum will appreciate that reference.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 02:28 AM

i wonder if anyone has had the opportunity to play both the PX-S1000 and Yamaha p125- considering trading in the Krome and then getting the S1000 and using that as my controller for my PC
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by rintincop
Pre ordered a PX-S3000 from Adam at Kraft. Expected mid to late March.


Ooh! Exciting! Can't wait to start reading about what you and others actually think of it once they play it. On paper, I still can't decide whether the 3000 is worth the extra 250 €… I guess so, if only for the display? It might get annoying not to have one. I wonder also whether it's one of those tech expenses that brings on new ones: will I want an iPad I don't really need just to play on that app of theirs if I get this DP? Hmmm…

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by sullivang
I'll invoke Dr Popper's prophecy:
"No-one will notice, and even if they do notice, they won't care". 🤣


Nice!
That's a name I haven't heard in a while...

I doubt all the young'uns on this forum will appreciate that reference.

Cheers,
James
x


I tried Googling that and found disgusting videos of people bursting growths on their faces — must be a mistake.
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 10:36 AM

That's hilarious! Dr Popper is simply the alias of a Pianoworld member. 😃 So just search for posts by that user.

P.S I've been informed by the distributor that these PX-S's will land here in Australia late April.

Greg.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
i wonder if anyone has had the opportunity to play both the PX-S1000 and Yamaha p125- considering trading in the Krome and then getting the S1000 and using that as my controller for my PC

If the S1000 is only going to be used as a controller for the PC, I'm not sure I see any advantage to choosing that over the CDP-S100.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
i wonder if anyone has had the opportunity to play both the PX-S1000 and Yamaha p125- considering trading in the Krome and then getting the S1000 and using that as my controller for my PC

If the S1000 is only going to be used as a controller for the PC, I'm not sure I see any advantage to choosing that over the CDP-S100.

In that case, I think the main difference would be the actions.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
Originally Posted by anotherscott

If the S1000 is only going to be used as a controller for the PC, I'm not sure I see any advantage to choosing that over the CDP-S100.

In that case, I think the main difference would be the actions.

That's the point. Unless I'm mistaken, the actions are the same, i.e. the new PX-S and the new CDP-S models all use the same new action.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
Originally Posted by anotherscott

If the S1000 is only going to be used as a controller for the PC, I'm not sure I see any advantage to choosing that over the CDP-S100.

In that case, I think the main difference would be the actions.

That's the point. Unless I'm mistaken, the actions are the same, i.e. the new PX-S and the new CDP-S models all use the same new action.

Oh, I thought they had different actions: the CDP an improved version of the basic graded hammer action in the 130/5 models, and the PX-S an improved version of the Privia action. I could be wrong about that.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 08:11 PM

Looking at the relevant websites, I'm seeing the CDP-S models described as having the "Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard Ⅱ." That sounds like an upgraded version of the scaled hammer action of the older CDP models.

The PX-S models describe theirs as the "Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard with simulated ebony/ivory key textures." That to me sounds like the next generation of the older Privia Tri-Sensor Hammer Action II (though whether they are still triple sensor seems unclear).

So I think they are different actions.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 08:41 PM

Ah, the textured tops would be one difference. Interesting about the "smart" descriptor. They may be talking about where they say "the note off timing is digitally controlled based on the movement of the keys during release." That may be unique to the PX even if the action is physically the same. Hopefully that applies to driving external sounds via MIDI and not just something processed by its own internal sound engine. It sounds like it would be.
Posted By: Mike_Martin

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 08:52 PM

Let me try to make this all clear once and for all.

Both the PX-S and CDP-S keybeds feature a NEW scaled, weighted hammer action and keys with simulated ebony and ivory surfaces. The PX-S keybed also includes a patent-pending "smart scaling" feature that simulates the hammer and key behavior of each of the 88 keys individually.
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 09:01 PM

Thanks Mike. Do they both have a tri-sensor action?

Anotherscott mentioned note-off timing, which reminded me about release *velocity* - I completely forgot that this a feature I would like. Will the new range send release velocity?

Greg.
Posted By: Mike_Martin

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 09:15 PM

In addition to the above some other differences.

BOTH are two sensor actions. While I don't expect you to take my word for it, these new instruments especially the PX-S series perform better in almost every respect than the tri-sensor action found in previous models. Trust me we had people meticulously comparing them throughout the NAMM show.

The PX-S series action has some additional features not included on the CDP-S. This includes High Resolution MIDI Velocity and Release velocity.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 09:19 PM

Thanks for the info, Mike. Very helpful!
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
Both the PX-S and CDP-S keybeds feature a NEW scaled, weighted hammer action and keys with simulated ebony and ivory surfaces. The PX-S keybed also includes a patent-pending "smart scaling" feature that simulates the hammer and key behavior of each of the 88 keys individually.

Cool. Does the smart scaling feature affect not only how the action triggers its internal sounds, but also how it triggers external sounds triggered over MIDI?

Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
BOTH are two sensor actions. While I don't expect you to take my word for it, these new instruments especially the PX-S series perform better in almost every respect than the tri-sensor action found in previous models. Trust me we had people meticulously comparing them throughout the NAMM show..
I believe you! ;-)
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/16/19 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
i wonder if anyone has had the opportunity to play both the PX-S1000 and Yamaha p125- considering trading in the Krome and then getting the S1000 and using that as my controller for my PC

If the S1000 is only going to be used as a controller for the PC, I'm not sure I see any advantage to choosing that over the CDP-S100.

Hi Scott- thanks as always for your insight here and on the other musicplayer forums as well--I greatly appreciate it. I was thinking of using the S1000 as both a combo of playing out with and controlling my vst standalone sounds or those with mixcraft.

I'm using typically VB3, Addictive Keys and EZ Drummer when recording and find that I am not really using the Krome itself that much and could basically sell or exchange it for most of the cost of the new Casio.

I might look at the 3000 as well just to see what the extra sounds offerred are like.
Posted By: gerhard_k

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/16/19 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61

I am not really using the Krome itself that much and could basically sell or exchange it for most of the cost of the new Casio.

But then, what would happen with your screen name? smirk
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/16/19 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by gerhard_k
Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61

I am not really using the Krome itself that much and could basically sell or exchange it for most of the cost of the new Casio.

But then, what would happen with your screen name? smirk


LOL! All of the sudden I have decided to keep the Krome!!
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/16/19 05:00 PM

dbl post
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/16/19 05:01 PM

Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/16/19 05:02 PM

Posted By: moleskincrusher

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/18/19 02:28 PM

Regarding the new keybed and "smart' features of the PX-S1000/3000: does anyone think we can expect a successor to the PX-5S/560 incorporating these soon?
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/18/19 02:34 PM

As I said, PX-5S was silently removed from Thomann. Maybe an update is imminent.

On another note, the more I listen to the new demos, the more I dislike the piano sound and Rhodes sounds. I understand it's unbelievable that such a tiny package is hammer weighted and the price can't be beaten by anything else, but the sounds are just not convincing at all. Is this memory limitation of the devices, compression technology or something else?
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/18/19 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
As I said, PX-5S was silently removed from Thomann. Maybe an update is imminent.

On another note, the more I listen to the new demos, the more I dislike the piano sound and Rhodes sounds. I understand it's unbelievable that such a tiny package is hammer weighted and the price can't be beaten by anything else, but the sounds are just not convincing at all. Is this memory limitation of the devices, compression technology or something else?

Not sure about the new PX models, but have you heard how the PX-560/PX-5S sounds? This is a comparison between the Casio PX-560, Kawai MP11 and Korg Kronos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-yO6caa1z0
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/18/19 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
Originally Posted by CyberGene
As I said, PX-5S was silently removed from Thomann. Maybe an update is imminent.

On another note, the more I listen to the new demos, the more I dislike the piano sound and Rhodes sounds. I understand it's unbelievable that such a tiny package is hammer weighted and the price can't be beaten by anything else, but the sounds are just not convincing at all. Is this memory limitation of the devices, compression technology or something else?

Not sure about the new PX models, but have you heard how the PX-560/PX-5S sounds? This is a comparison between the Casio PX-560, Kawai MP11 and Korg Kronos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-yO6caa1z0


Well, still the same tin like sound. What’s rather surprising to me is MP11 doesn’t sound much better in comparison. Or maybe I’ve already cooled down to the EX sound which I haven’t used much anyway lately.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/18/19 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene

Well, still the same tin like sound. What’s rather surprising to me is MP11 doesn’t sound much better in comparison. Or maybe I’ve already cooled down to the EX sound which I haven’t used much anyway lately.

It's interesting. The MP11 sounds like a Kawai grand. The Kronos sounds like a Steinway VST and the Casio sounds like a toy piano. laugh

Obviously the YT commenters all prefer the Casio, because it's the loudest of the bunch. The loudness fallacy works all the time.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 10:21 AM

I'm really starting to wonder whether the PX-S3000 is worth waiting for… It seems a lot like I wouldn't be able to get it before mid-April or end of April, and as I have to let go of the Yamaha DGX-640 I'm currently using in March, I would be looking at a month away from all lessons and practice… Not sure whether that's the best option. Perhaps I should just carry on with a different DP that I can order now…

What to do, eh?
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl

What to do, eh?


If I may ask, what musical style do you play? If it's mainly solo piano, then the only reason to wait for the new Casio is to get your hands on a new shiny DP...personally I would not halt playing for the sake of waiting for a new model unless it was more important than practicing/playing.

Also, IMO I think the Casio's best feature at the moment over other recent slabs is the small size factor it comes in and I'd be surprised if it surpasses other similarly priced slabs in terms of sound and action...unless you are a Casio fan that is and like/have liked their actions and sounds in the past..
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
I'm really starting to wonder whether the PX-S3000 is worth waiting for… It seems a lot like I wouldn't be able to get it before mid-April or end of April, and as I have to let go of the Yamaha DGX-640 I'm currently using in March, I would be looking at a month away from all lessons and practice… Not sure whether that's the best option. Perhaps I should just carry on with a different DP that I can order now…

What to do, eh?

If a potential S3000 follows the same steps as the PX-560 and 5-S, then you will get a "jack of all trades, master of none" keyboard, i.e. a keyboard that mixes together a subset of features from stage pianos, arrangers, synths and workstations. These extra features can be undoubtedly "fun" since they allow to extensively edit, shape and layer sounds. However, these features are mostly irrelevant from an acoustic piano simulation perspective. On top of that, the new PX models will very likely share the same keyboard action. So, why are you interested in a potential S3000? If you are looking for a new Casio, why don't you get an S2000 now?
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 01:11 PM

An outside of NAMM review can be seen here... just released.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
An outside of NAMM review can be seen here... just released.

Doesn't sound good at all to me frown The pianos are the typical Casio affair with tin-like attack and thin sustain, or as someone once put it: plinky-plonky. The Rhodes is too synthetic, whereas some other electric pianos are even reminiscent of OPL3 synthesis (who remembers what that is?). I guess it's still a good deal considering the size, the weight and there's even speakers.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl

What to do, eh?


If I may ask, what musical style do you play? If it's mainly solo piano, then the only reason to wait for the new Casio is to get your hands on a new shiny DP...personally I would not halt playing for the sake of waiting for a new model unless it was more important than practicing/playing.

Also, IMO I think the Casio's best feature at the moment over other recent slabs is the small size factor it comes in and I'd be surprised if it surpasses other similarly priced slabs in terms of sound and action...unless you are a Casio fan that is and like/have liked their actions and sounds in the past..


The more I hear and read about it, the more I wonder whether it's worth waiting for… But then, I just don't know what to buy cry
The musical style I play the most (having started only 4-5 months ago) is classical, and I also intend to play jazz. In fairness, knowing myself, I will most probably never ever get around using all the sounds and fancy buttons, I just want a piano that sounds and feels good AND (here is the tricky part) is light enough for me to carry around every few weeks (I have a nomadic lifestyle)… It has to fit in my car with all the rest of my stuff.

The pluses of this one were the size and weight and the ability to attach 3 pedals to it as opposed to just one. But I really know very little about what's out there and get mainly confused by the fact no one seems to agree on what feels and sounds good anyway! I don't want it to feel or sound toy-like though. My budget started at about 600€ but I could stretch to 1000€ if needed.

If you have any ideas, I'd be most grateful! smile
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl

What to do, eh?


If I may ask, what musical style do you play? If it's mainly solo piano, then the only reason to wait for the new Casio is to get your hands on a new shiny DP...personally I would not halt playing for the sake of waiting for a new model unless it was more important than practicing/playing.

Also, IMO I think the Casio's best feature at the moment over other recent slabs is the small size factor it comes in and I'd be surprised if it surpasses other similarly priced slabs in terms of sound and action...unless you are a Casio fan that is and like/have liked their actions and sounds in the past..


The more I hear and read about it, the more I wonder whether it's worth waiting for… But then, I just don't know what to buy cry
The musical style I play the most (having started only 4-5 months ago) is classical, and I also intend to play jazz. In fairness, knowing myself, I will most probably never ever get around using all the sounds and fancy buttons, I just want a piano that sounds and feels good AND (here is the tricky part) is light enough for me to carry around every few weeks (I have a nomadic lifestyle)… It has to fit in my car with all the rest of my stuff.

The pluses of this one were the size and weight and the ability to attach 3 pedals to it as opposed to just one. But I really know very little about what's out there and get mainly confused by the fact no one seems to agree on what feels and sounds good anyway! I don't want it to feel or sound toy-like though. My budget started at about 600€ but I could stretch to 1000€ if needed.

If you have any ideas, I'd be most grateful! smile

A single sustain pedal will be more than enough for a long time... so, the three pedals are definitely not a factor at this point.

These Casio models are likely to be the lowest weight DPs out there. So if you will be moving the DP frequently then these lightweight PX models should be high-up in your list.

I would not be too much concerned about the sound. These entry-level DPs have a decent sound when used with headphones (not via speakers). The sound is far from perfect, but it is good enough to practice. In any case, you can always connect a computer to the DP and use a VST to improve the sound.

The main question is about the new Casio action. If the new action is at least similar to the previous Casio action, then a new PX will be sufficient for a couple of years. But you have to test it!

The most important is to have a DP where you can practice regularly. The brand/model is secondary...
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl

… It has to fit in my car with all the rest of my stuff.

If you have any ideas, I'd be most grateful! smile


With portability, I think you may need to sacrifice on some of the features (if you plan to move the DP regularly).

If so, have you looked at the Roland FP10? Is a slimmer/lighter version of the Roland FP30 but has the same action and the main piano sounds that the FP30 has...it also has built-in speakers. The action is good, very good in my opinion for that price range.

Can you get better? Sure, with better comes higher price and heavier DP...pros and cons...
Posted By: DiarmuidD

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 02:20 PM

I agree, the piano sound is the weak point, it sounds very canned to me particularly in the mid register. But the price, small form factor, portability and key action are great. Using a VST with this model would be the way to go for me.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 02:35 PM

I just had to look up "VST" as I had no idea what it meant!… cry

Sounds like I might be back to the drawing board and the Kawai ES110, which I guess is similar to the Roland FP-10. I was put off by people having to send theirs back for faults, etc., but I guess there's no way to know this wouldn't happen with the Casio, as it's not released yet. I'm not super keen to take a whole month break, but I also want to get the right thing. Decisions, decisions!
Posted By: RodrigoPon

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 03:16 PM

The ES110 is as light as these new casio models, just slightly bulkier. I have it and carry it around in my car sometimes, I have a small car yet I had no problems with that.

Also, its piano sample is great for classical and jazz (nice natural attack and sustain), at least I like it a lot more than the new casio's sample (which is essentially the same as the old ones). Cannot speak about the action because I didn't play the casio, but the ES110 has a nice action for its size and weight. About the Casio, I'm also worried about its key length, which will be shorter than the ES110 because of its very size, and the implications on its playability.

For using only the piano sound I wouldn't wait. The ES110 is a great deal.
Posted By: RodrigoPon

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 03:21 PM

By the way, I'm also one of the people complaining about the ES110: I got clicky keys after a week of use on my first unit. Then I got it replaced, and the same happened with the new unit. That's not good.

It has its defects, but the piano in general is so good I still recommend it.

Hopefully we'll get an ES120 with the clicky keys thingy fixed, since this problem comes unsolved at least from the ES100. Then we'll have the perfect (truly) portable slab piano.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by RodrigoPon
Hopefully we'll get an ES120 with the clicky keys thingy fixed, since this problem comes unsolved at least from the ES100.

My ES100 doesn't click, never did.
Posted By: RodrigoPon

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by RodrigoPon
Hopefully we'll get an ES120 with the clicky keys thingy fixed, since this problem comes unsolved at least from the ES100.

My ES100 doesn't click, never did.


Yeah, apparently there's people who doesn't get the clicks.

I still have them and live with them. Living in Argentina, it'd be almost impossible to get a 2nd replacement unit "just for that".

Let's hope Rosemary will be lucky like you.

Anyway I repeat: even with the clicks, the ES110 is highly recommended.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by RodrigoPon

Yeah, apparently there's people who doesn't get the clicks.

I'm sure, if I drop the piano from waist height to the floor inside packaging, it will look intact, but will start clicking too. wink

Quote
Living in Argentina, it'd be almost impossible to get a 2nd replacement unit "just for that".

Maybe fragile Kawai instruments aren't the right choice for South America.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by RodrigoPon
The ES110 is as light as these new casio models, just slightly bulkier. I have it and carry it around in my car sometimes, I have a small car yet I had no problems with that.

Also, its piano sample is great for classical and jazz (nice natural attack and sustain), at least I like it a lot more than the new casio's sample (which is essentially the same as the old ones). Cannot speak about the action because I didn't play the casio, but the ES110 has a nice action for its size and weight. About the Casio, I'm also worried about its key length, which will be shorter than the ES110 because of its very size, and the implications on its playability.

For using only the piano sound I wouldn't wait. The ES110 is a great deal.


Thanks, RodrigoPon, that's great to know… Maybe I'm better off ordering that and sending it back if there are problems, nice and early before I go travelling.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 04:40 PM

I've now had a super quick response from Thomann France: they will have the PX-S3000 at the end of April, but the PX-S1000 at the end of March… which means there wouldn't be so much of a wait for the 1000 and I wouldn't need a real break from practice if I went for that one.

2 questions remain:
- Is the PX-S1000 better than the Kawai ES110?
- Would it still be better to hold on for the PX-S3000? (Although from your comments, I gather that not really.)

I'm now a little intrigued about RodrigoPon's comments on the key length of the Privias though; is that something new to worry about?
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
- Is the PX-S1000 better than the Kawai ES110?

ES110 has a proper half-damper pedal included and superior stand options. It sounds better as well.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
I've now had a super quick response from Thomann France: they will have the PX-S3000 at the end of April, but the PX-S1000 at the end of March… which means there wouldn't be so much of a wait for the 1000 and I wouldn't need a real break from practice if I went for that one.

2 questions remain:
- Is the PX-S1000 better than the Kawai ES110?
- Would it still be better to hold on for the PX-S3000? (Although from your comments, I gather that not really.)

I'm now a little intrigued about RodrigoPon's comments on the key length of the Privias though; is that something new to worry about?

There are yet not enough reviews of the new Privias. The ES110 is a solid choice, but at this price range Casio tends to offer better value for money. Afaik, the sound engine on the S1000 and S3000 is exactly the same, so you wouldn't get a better acoustic piano sound out of the S3000.

Regarding the key length, it will be definitely short due to slim enclosure. But the compact actions that you will find in most entry and mid level DPs all have short pivots. I am not sure if the RHC action on the ES110 is actually longer (or if it "feels" longer) than the action on the new or previous Casio Privia models - the only thing I am sure is that they are both short smile
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
I am not sure if the RHC action on the ES110 is actually longer (or if it "feels" longer) than the action on the new or previous Casio Privia models - the only thing I am sure is that they are both short smile

The old ES100 action had a pivot length, which is longer than Yamaha's NWX action. Casio couldn't beat that...
Posted By: RodrigoPon

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 06:20 PM

As seen here:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2167459/Comparison_of_Portable_Digital.html

Kawai ES100 has one of the longest key lengths in entry level pianos. It remains the same for Kawai ES110. As JoeT says, Casio physically can't beat that with the restricted space of their shiny pianos.
Posted By: RodrigoPon

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 06:32 PM

Actually, going by this picture:

https://www.casio-intl.com/media/emi/images/hammer_action.jpg

and considering that the PX-160 has a key fulcrum of 43% of real Piano (as seen in the link I posted above), I predict that the new privias will have a fulcrum 39% of a real piano, since (if the diagram comparing the actions is in scale) the new action has 90% of key length compared to the old one. This would put the new Casios as the shorter key fulcrum of that list.

That doesn't look good, since the ES110 has a fulcrum of 72.5% of a real piano (vs 39% of the casio).
Posted By: gerhard_k

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by RodrigoPon
Actually, going by this picture:

https://www.casio-intl.com/media/emi/images/hammer_action.jpg

and considering that the PX-160 has a key fulcrum of 43% of real Piano (as seen in the link I posted above), I predict that the new privias will have a fulcrum 39% of a real piano, since (if the diagram comparing the actions is in scale) the new action has 90% of key length compared to the old one. This would put the new Casios as the shorter key fulcrum of that list.

That doesn't look good, since the ES110 has a fulcrum of 72.5% of a real piano (vs 39% of the casio).

I've thought about that ever since the introduction of these new PX-S's, with their very short case depth. But in PianoManChuck's NAMM video of these, he raves about the action and says it's "even better" than before.

Well, as a mechanical engineer, I thought maybe they got really clever and used an articulated pivot ("4-bar linkage" - like on many automobile hoods), although that would be a lot more complex and expensive, and thus quite unlikely. And the diagram cited by RidrigoPon shows it's just a simple single pivot.

So I am left to wonder what magic Casio have invoked to solve the short-key-feel problem...
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by gerhard_k

So I am left to wonder what magic Casio have invoked to solve the short-key-feel problem...

Further reducing the hammer weights?
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT

Further reducing the hammer weights?

And in the process make their already feather weight action even lighter..might as well buy a synth..
Posted By: funkycornwall

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 10:14 PM

All this discussion about the action is slightly annoying as you have not actually played it. Surely it is much better to refrain from criticism and comments until you have actually played a PX-S1000 or 3000. Some experienced players who tried it at NAMM spoke very highly about it. I certainly would not make any comments until I have actually tested out the action for myself.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 10:28 PM

After all this talk, I am for sure waiting for the real play action, and comparison with other (similar priced) DP's. If I get the chance, I would compare Roland FP-30 (or FP-10), Kawai ES110, Casio PX-360 and may be the Yamaha P125. If somehow the Casio PX-S1000 is the best keybed action of these keyboards, then I would compare it with a few higher priced keyboards, to see if it is worth to increase the budget. Luckily I need to travel in March, so I am okay waiting till April. Hope to read more in the meantime from all the experts here!
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by RodrigoPon
As seen here:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2167459/Comparison_of_Portable_Digital.html

Kawai ES100 has one of the longest key lengths in entry level pianos. It remains the same for Kawai ES110. As JoeT says, Casio physically can't beat that with the restricted space of their shiny pianos.

According to that comparison, the RHC on the fulcrum Kawai is ES110 is 72.5% of a "real piano" (whatever that means) while he PX-160 is just 43%. However, a rough measurement shows a difference of 4% between the overall length of the RHC action and the old Privia action (measured from the pivot point). So, "one of longest key lengths in entry level pianos" is actually 4% longer than the old Privia action wink No wonder why they both feel quite similar when played close to the back of the key...

The new Privia action will be 14% shorter than the RHC, assuming Casio's diagrams are correctly scaled.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: RodrigoPon

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/19/19 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
Originally Posted by RodrigoPon
As seen here:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2167459/Comparison_of_Portable_Digital.html

Kawai ES100 has one of the longest key lengths in entry level pianos. It remains the same for Kawai ES110. As JoeT says, Casio physically can't beat that with the restricted space of their shiny pianos.

According to that comparison, the RHC on the fulcrum Kawai is ES110 is 72.5% of a "real piano" (whatever that means) while he PX-160 is just 43%. However, a rough measurement shows a difference of 4% between the overall length of the RHC action and the old Privia action (measured from the pivot point). So, "one of longest key lengths in entry level pianos" is actually 4% longer than the old Privia action wink No wonder why they both feel quite similar when played close to the back of the key...

The new Privia action will be 14% shorter than the RHC, assuming Casio's diagrams are correctly scaled.

[Linked Image]


If the Kawai diagram is in scale then you're right. I'm not sure how the guy in the post I shared calculated those distances, but he did it by measuring key dip at the front and at the rear of the key:

Kawai ES100: Key fulcrum: 72.5% of a real Piano - Key dip: Front 12mm, Rear 4.35mm

Casio PX-160: Key fulcrum: 43% of real Piano - Key dip: Front 11.5mm, Rear 2.5mm

Forget the % of a real piano. The differences in key dip in front vs rear tells us how long the keys are. You can see that in the Kawai, the difference is much less pronounced than in the PX-160. Unless those measurements are utterly wrong, they should be more reliable than some diagrams, specially not knowing if they're in scale or not.

Also, little differences in key length make big difference in playability near the back of the key, it's not linear. We'll have to wait to try the new Casio's action, but physics are physics and the big difference in playability on the front and the rear will be there. Unless they used an articulated pivot, as gerhard_k said, but doesn't seem to be the case.
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/20/19 07:38 AM

I read the pages of posts - I get the hype and a day dream that this is going to change everything but the PX1000 are build as the lowest privia models, replacing the PX-160. They are not build as some master keyboards for pianists. The 5s failed to capture the pro market so Casio knows where the money is now. Casio did send these keyboards to their selected dealers to rave about so yes they probably would not be too critical. If the old PX keys feels short to some then inevitably the new PX will feel shorter. No way around it.
However these models are build for a particular clientele - which is mostly young kids forced practicing at home for a year then as soon as everybody agrees it is not going anywhere the piano is sold. If someone is aiming to be a conservatory trained pianist he/she will go through few steps of upgrades and end up probably with something that cost few grands not with the lowest Casio models so it is sort of pointless to criticize them for shortening the keys. The PX1000 is the Honda Fit of cars and if shorter keys make it smaller and lighter, bring it on!

The old PX160 were still too bulky and heavy to be used as MIDI keyboards - I bought (dirt cheap) and sold few of them and never had long desire to keep one for myself for computer as they were pain in the donkey to actually transport or move. Too thick and bulky and you can't toss it around..

The PX-1000 may change that as it seems less bulky and actually build for transport. One of the biggest issue with the older Casio keybeds is that during transport you may dislodge the hammers or the key seating if you are not careful and bounce it around or keep flipping it. The PX1000 is shown to be specifically carried vertically so I guess they solved any of those potential issues. This is a huge plus. This brings it more to the keyboard care-free handling and I love that.

As for the sound of casio - it is probably a matter of taste. I have PX-860 and I really like its sound. I used to have many keyboards from kurzweil, korg to rolands to yamaha and each piano sound was distinctively different and Casio PX comfortably sits between them as one of the good and usable piano sounds. (I like it more than any of the pianos on my Fantom G)
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/21/19 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by oscar1
I read the pages of posts - I get the hype and a day dream that this is going to change everything but the PX1000 are build as the lowest privia models, replacing the PX-160. They are not build as some master keyboards for pianists. The 5s failed to capture the pro market so Casio knows where the money is now. Casio did send these keyboards to their selected dealers to rave about so yes they probably would not be too critical. If the old PX keys feels short to some then inevitably the new PX will feel shorter. No way around it.
However these models are build for a particular clientele - which is mostly young kids forced practicing at home for a year then as soon as everybody agrees it is not going anywhere the piano is sold. If someone is aiming to be a conservatory trained pianist he/she will go through few steps of upgrades and end up probably with something that cost few grands not with the lowest Casio models so it is sort of pointless to criticize them for shortening the keys. The PX1000 is the Honda Fit of cars and if shorter keys make it smaller and lighter, bring it on!

The old PX160 were still too bulky and heavy to be used as MIDI keyboards - I bought (dirt cheap) and sold few of them and never had long desire to keep one for myself for computer as they were pain in the donkey to actually transport or move. Too thick and bulky and you can't toss it around..

The PX-1000 may change that as it seems less bulky and actually build for transport. One of the biggest issue with the older Casio keybeds is that during transport you may dislodge the hammers or the key seating if you are not careful and bounce it around or keep flipping it. The PX1000 is shown to be specifically carried vertically so I guess they solved any of those potential issues. This is a huge plus. This brings it more to the keyboard care-free handling and I love that.

As for the sound of casio - it is probably a matter of taste. I have PX-860 and I really like its sound. I used to have many keyboards from kurzweil, korg to rolands to yamaha and each piano sound was distinctively different and Casio PX comfortably sits between them as one of the good and usable piano sounds. (I like it more than any of the pianos on my Fantom G)


Thanks for this writeup. I'm an adult beginner, and I'm pretty serious about getting better. I'm also a classical guitarist who wants to learn the keys. I'm having a great time with PianoMarvel and like how it is score-driven and not video game driven. I appreciate being able to practice silently and I find that it is easy to get hooked into working on a piece until it is in time and note perfect. I'l probably find a teacher to go to once or twice a month to correct any bad habits that crop up.

So, given the current offerings on the market and $1000-$1200 to spend, what would be some alternatives to the PX-S3000 that have longer keys? I have large hands and so perhaps I should go with a keyboard that has longer keys.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/21/19 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK

So, given the current offerings on the market and $1000-$1200 to spend, what would be some alternatives to the PX-S3000 that have longer keys? I have large hands and so perhaps I should go with a keyboard that has longer keys.

I'm not sure where people are getting this "shorter key" thing confused with the actual exposed keys. The exposed keys (playing area) are standard size, just like on an acoustic piano or any other digital/stage piano with full size keys. Its the portion that you DON'T see (under the hood) that's shorter.... it was a real feat of engineering to develop this new technology that actually feels better than the current Privia models (which have a longer portion under the hood). For anyone in disbelief that you can't get a good action with shorter length 'under the hood', I highly suggest trying it out for yourself as soon as they're available at local retailers.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/21/19 02:12 PM

Thanks Chuck, glad someone is pointing to what matters. In the end, so far my buying search goes (most important the feel of playing the keybed), as of now it will become a decision between the Roland FP-30 (which I already tried) and the new Casio PX-S1000 (need to wait). To complete the comparison, I will compare the two with higher priced models, to evaluate if it is worth to increase the budget.

This forum is helpful with all the input, and hopefully I can add to this once I tried out more DPs.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/21/19 02:33 PM

Yes, thanks Chuck. I guess I was confused about the length of the action versus the playable length of the key in all of this discussion of percentages of the fulcrums in different actions.

I guess the proof is in the pudding and we'll just have to wait and see what people think of the action when the keyboard starts showing up.

I don't think this little video clip has been shared here, it's on the Casio forum. Forgive me if it has. Here is a PS-X1000 being played in the wild:

https://youtu.be/SN1bd9w2CK8

I looked up Alicia Witt and she did piano studies at Boston University. I wish I could play like that.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/21/19 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
Thanks Chuck, glad someone is pointing to what matters. In the end, so far my buying search goes (most important the feel of playing the keybed), as of now it will become a decision between the Roland FP-30 (which I already tried) and the new Casio PX-S1000 (need to wait). To complete the comparison, I will compare the two with higher priced models, to evaluate if it is worth to increase the budget.

This forum is helpful with all the input, and hopefully I can add to this once I tried out more DPs.


Yeah, for sure, as I found out yesterday, the best thing to do is to try them out for yourself if you can wait.

I've now decided not to wait for these two to come out as I loved the feel of the Roland FP-30 when I tried it, and it should serve my purposes really well. I just want a DP that's as close as possible to an acoustic and that can record my playing, and which is also fairly light. The FP-30 is 3kg heavier, but as I've lost 3kg myself lately, the car brakes won't be able to tell the difference! laugh

I still look forward to hearing what people are going to think of these two new Casio DPs though. Innovation is always exciting!

Thank you all for your valuable advice.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/21/19 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK


I don't think this little video clip has been shared here, it's on the Casio forum. Forgive me if it has. Here is a PS-X1000 being played in the wild:

https://youtu.be/SN1bd9w2CK8


Good catch, have not seen it before. I hope she was honest when she said (and not paid marketing) that the feel was really piano-like. I am convinced to wait for it, and compare with the Roland FP-30.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/21/19 03:58 PM

Good thread, and a good reminder not to take "facts" (especially color-coded numbers ... ) on the Internet too seriously.

Just for fun, I took some measurements of the front and rear dips on my PX-160, then came to work and went to the music department practice rooms and took some measurements on their acoustic uprights. They are, as you might imagine, all over the place - not just from piano to piano, but key to key. Interestingly, the piano I like best (a Kawai that seems fairly new, and is in the best shape of the lot) has measurements almost identical to my Casio.

I think from here on out, I'll ignore all the OMG TEH CASIO PIVOT!!! talk and just try things out myself. Oh, wait: you guys are always saying that, aren't you? ... laugh
Posted By: gerhard_k

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/21/19 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter

Just for fun, I took some measurements of the front and rear dips on my PX-160, then came to work and went to the music department practice rooms and took some measurements on their acoustic uprights. They are, as you might imagine, all over the place - not just from piano to piano, but key to key. Interestingly, the piano I like best (a Kawai that seems fairly new, and is in the best shape of the lot) has measurements almost identical to my Casio.


> What a Novel Concept! Actual measurements on an actual piano! thumb

Theophilus, you deserve some sort of prize for injecting rationality into this discussion!

Of course, you will shortly be banned from this forum... grin
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/22/19 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by gerhard_k


> What a Novel Concept! Actual measurements on an actual piano! thumb

Theophilus, you deserve some sort of prize for injecting rationality into this discussion!

Of course, you will shortly be banned from this forum... grin


I'll show myself out ... wink
Posted By: ap215

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/24/19 08:54 AM

Found the manuals for the PX-S1000 for those who are interested:

- User's Guide (Basics)
- User's Guide
- Connection Guide
- Keyboard Function List
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/24/19 11:15 AM

Thanks, so indeed no Midi over Bluetooth, only audio. For the rest as expected. Now we only need independent reviews of the keybed action.
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/24/19 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by ap215
Found the manuals for the PX-S1000 for those who are interested:

- User's Guide (Basics)
- User's Guide
- Connection Guide
- Keyboard Function List


Thanks for posting these- I had been looking for them. As the keyboard hasn't been out yet I'll share my experiences with past models. The PX-130 had a decent action when pressing down on the keys but it felt kind of harsh coming back up. I hope this is something not present in the newer series. Also, as I play a lot of rock and jazz with lower octaves- I found the EQ was lighter in those areas vs. Yamaha. I'm glad they added lineout on this series 1/4" as using the headphone jack wasn't good.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/24/19 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
As the keyboard hasn't been out yet I'll share my experiences with past models. The PX-130 had a decent action when pressing down on the keys but it felt kind of harsh coming back up.

To me, the x50-and-up models have felt much better than the x30 models did. From a very brief play of the CDP-S100, the new line does not feel too dissimilar from the x50.
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/24/19 07:28 PM

Is the CDP-S100 similar then to the PX-Sx000 series? I briefly tried the S100 in NYC last weekeend
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/24/19 07:48 PM

I love my PX-160, but now I want a PX-S1000! smile I suppose I can wait a bit ... I'm curious how the sounds compare. They both have 18, and the list is mostly the same, but there are a few differences:
For the piano sounds, the PX-160 lists concert, modern, classic, mellow, and bright, while the PX-S1000 lists concert, bright, mellow, rock, and jazz. I'm guessing they're the same, but they've just renamed modern to rock, and classic to jazz. I hope so, anyway, since those are the two I use the most.
For the electric piano sounds, the PX-160 has e.p. 1, e.p. 2, FM e.p, and 60's e.p., while the PX-S1000 has e.p., digital e.p. 1, digital e.p 2, and 60's e.p. If I had to guess, I'd say they dropped one of the Fender Rhodes variations and added a DX-7 variation.
Otherwise, they look like the same list.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/25/19 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
Is the CDP-S100 similar then to the PX-Sx000 series? I briefly tried the S100 in NYC last weekeend

Yes, I believe it is physically the same action, with enhanced software on the PX. As Mike Martin explained earlier in this thread:

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Both the PX-S and CDP-S keybeds feature a NEW scaled, weighted hammer action and keys with simulated ebony and ivory surfaces. The PX-S keybed also includes a patent-pending "smart scaling" feature that simulates the hammer and key behavior of each of the 88 keys individually.


A bit more description from Casio's press release:

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88-Key Digital Scaling creates a grand piano-like touch:
The touch of a grand piano varies with the differences in size and weight of the hammers over each of the 88 keys. The PX-S1000/S3000 models deliver the feeling of playing a grand piano through a meticulous key-by-key digital simulation of these subtle differences in touch
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/25/19 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
Is the CDP-S100 similar then to the PX-Sx000 series? I briefly tried the S100 in NYC last weekeend


I believe the keyboard action are the same, however I expect the PX-Sx000 sounds are superior.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/25/19 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
I believe the keyboard action are the same, however I expect the PX-Sx000 sounds are superior.

Yes, Mike mentioned elsewhere that the CDP-S100 piano sound is AHL II, CDP-S350 is an AiX variant, and the PX use an improved AiR. (AiR was what was on the previous Privias, AiX is what's on the CTX keyboards, AHL is older.) So sonically, the CDP-S100 piano sound is probably closest to the CDP-130, the CDP-350 is probably closest to the CT-X3000, the PX would be closest to (but improved from) the last generation of Privias.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/25/19 03:12 AM

Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 02/25/19 04:29 AM

Thanks for the details Scott. I didn't see your previous response about the keyboard actions before replying.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/01/19 05:41 AM

Hope this is the right place to ask this question. I have an upright at home, but due to roommates work nights and sleep during day, I can barely practice. Thus I have been thinking purchasing a keyboard. (mainly classically trained, want to prepare for grad program audition).

My budget is around $1000 (include bench, stand, 3 peddle). Tried the P125, PX160 at the store, I liked the feel and the coating of the keys on the PX160. Been doing some research, haven't found a FP30 at store to try, also read the Kawai ES110 should provide closer feel to a piano keys.
Question is, should I wait for the S1000, or should I give the other options above a go?
Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/01/19 05:55 AM

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. . . Thus I have been thinking purchasing a keyboard. (mainly classically trained, want to prepare for grad program audition).


When is the audition ?

If it's soon, you need to practice _now_, and you _know_ you can get a PX160 today. IMHO it'll be about as useful, as a practice instrument, as the FP30 and ES110.

If the audition is farther in the future, you might want to wait for the indefinite delivery date of a PX-S1000.

Practice note: Because the note sustains (on all of those, I think) are shorter than an acoustic piano's, you'll tend to over-pedal. Be aware of that, and try to play an acoustic piano whenever possible.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/01/19 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by gary93
Question is, should I wait for the S1000, or should I give the other options above a go?

Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
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. . . Thus I have been thinking purchasing a keyboard. (mainly classically trained, want to prepare for grad program audition).

When is the audition ?

If it's soon, you need to practice _now_, and you _know_ you can get a PX160 today. IMHO it'll be about as useful, as a practice instrument, as the FP30 and ES110.

gary93, I only have one thing to add to what Charles Cohen said. If your technique or audition repertoire calls for playing above the escapement (for example, Ravel's Nadine), you may want to consider the Roland FP30 instead as it is the only one of these models you've named that has an escapement "feel" (not a real escapement of course, but a simulated notch which you can tactilely feel and which behaves in a similar way as on a grand, except the behavior is simulated digitally instead of mechanically).
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/01/19 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by gary93
Hope this is the right place to ask this question. I have an upright at home, but due to roommates work nights and sleep during day, I can barely practice. Thus I have been thinking purchasing a keyboard. (mainly classically trained, want to prepare for grad program audition).

My budget is around $1000 (include bench, stand, 3 peddle). Tried the P125, PX160 at the store, I liked the feel and the coating of the keys on the PX160. Been doing some research, haven't found a FP30 at store to try, also read the Kawai ES110 should provide closer feel to a piano keys.
Question is, should I wait for the S1000, or should I give the other options above a go?


Hello gary93,

I pretty much asked the same question about 10 days ago, although I'm not preparing for an audition… I was lucky enough to be able to try the Roland FP-30 at my local shop (and the Kawai ES110 and a number of Casio DPs, although not the new ones, and some Yamaha DPs) and I chose the Roland FP-30. I am absolutely loving its feel and action, and sound too. I'm happy I didn't wait for the new Casio to come out, as I'm enjoying my practice now without having to take a break in training.

For the sake of tidying up loose ends though, I will still probably go and see the new Casios when they're in the shop… But I doubt I will regret my choice. They're due to arrive there soon, it seems. I will report if they do. best of luck in your search!
Posted By: terminaldegree

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/01/19 11:53 AM

What repertoire are you trying to learn for your grad school audition? Are you being too polite about practicing on the acoustic piano with your roommates?
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/02/19 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
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. . . Thus I have been thinking purchasing a keyboard. (mainly classically trained, want to prepare for grad program audition).


When is the audition ?

If it's soon, you need to practice _now_, and you _know_ you can get a PX160 today. IMHO it'll be about as useful, as a practice instrument, as the FP30 and ES110.

If the audition is farther in the future, you might want to wait for the indefinite delivery date of a PX-S1000.

Practice note: Because the note sustains (on all of those, I think) are shorter than an acoustic piano's, you'll tend to over-pedal. Be aware of that, and try to play an acoustic piano whenever possible.



In the near future hopefully still saving up money first and gaining some experiences before I get my higher education. I might be able to get 5 hours on my up right per week, so I think a keyboard would at least allowed me to keep working basic stuff and my fingers.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/02/19 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Originally Posted by gary93
Hope this is the right place to ask this question. I have an upright at home, but due to roommates work nights and sleep during day, I can barely practice. Thus I have been thinking purchasing a keyboard. (mainly classically trained, want to prepare for grad program audition).

My budget is around $1000 (include bench, stand, 3 peddle). Tried the P125, PX160 at the store, I liked the feel and the coating of the keys on the PX160. Been doing some research, haven't found a FP30 at store to try, also read the Kawai ES110 should provide closer feel to a piano keys.
Question is, should I wait for the S1000, or should I give the other options above a go?


Hello gary93,

I pretty much asked the same question about 10 days ago, although I'm not preparing for an audition… I was lucky enough to be able to try the Roland FP-30 at my local shop (and the Kawai ES110 and a number of Casio DPs, although not the new ones, and some Yamaha DPs) and I chose the Roland FP-30. I am absolutely loving its feel and action, and sound too. I'm happy I didn't wait for the new Casio to come out, as I'm enjoying my practice now without having to take a break in training.

For the sake of tidying up loose ends though, I will still probably go and see the new Casios when they're in the shop… But I doubt I will regret my choice. They're due to arrive there soon, it seems. I will report if they do. best of luck in your search!


Good to hear more comments on the FP30. The PX s1000/ 3000 damper and string resonance on them really got my interest since I never tried one myself and wonder how it actually affect the sound of the instrument.
Wished my local stores know something about these up coming model and able to tell me if and when it be in stock.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/02/19 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by terminaldegree
What repertoire are you trying to learn for your grad school audition? Are you being too polite about practicing on the acoustic piano with your roommates?

Have a few pieces in mind but have not decided. I have 2 roommates 1 above and 1 below where my piano is sitting in the living room. My feet hurt from holding down the soft peddle, and I know it is not a good habit.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/02/19 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by gary93
Good to hear more comments on the FP30. The PX s1000/ 3000 damper and string resonance on them really got my interest since I never tried one myself and wonder how it actually affect the sound of the instrument.
Wished my local stores know something about these up coming model and able to tell me if and when it be in stock.

Well clearly, if you are thinking about a grad degree, you already are playing to a very high standard. In that case, it is obviously of vital importance you try out any keyboards you are considering in the store as you might find some simply unacceptable for you for whatever reason.

For your purposes, your first consideration should probably be the keyboard action. Sound can be changed after purchase using a VST such as Pianoteq, however the keyboard action you will be stuck with until you get rid of the keyboard.
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/02/19 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by gary93
The PX s1000/ 3000 damper and string resonance on them really got my interest since I never tried one myself and wonder how it actually affect the sound of the instrument.


All Rolands have them too. And many Yamahas. Most (but not all) digital pianos have at least damper resonance and that's the easier to notice. Or miss if it isn't there.

Anyway, they are nothing specific to Casios.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/02/19 04:39 PM

Yes, damper resonance you can hear easily, whereas string sympathetic resonance is a lot more subtle, but both are fairly standard in the DP world. What Casio is doing is bringing these "down market" to more entry level DPs, which is a great move.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/02/19 04:40 PM

Yes, damper resonance you can hear easily, whereas string sympathetic resonance is a lot more subtle, but both are fairly standard in the DP world. What Casio is doing is bringing these "down market" to more entry level DPs, which is a great move.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 03:05 PM

One of the things that concerned me about these was how well the action would work because of the 'short pivot point.' In this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnIQzHrV-8A the Casio guy demonstrates briefly (at about 1 minute 50 seconds) that the keys can be played right up 'to the top.' Looks interesting.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by petebfrance
One of the things that concerned me about these was how well the action would work because of the 'short pivot point.' In this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnIQzHrV-8A the Casio guy demonstrates briefly (at about 1 minute 50 seconds) that the keys can be played right up 'to the top.'

Any action can be played to the top, that is nothing special.

The question is how much key travel is there, how much touch weight and how precise the velocity detection is.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by petebfrance
One of the things that concerned me about these was how well the action would work because of the 'short pivot point.' In this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnIQzHrV-8A the Casio guy demonstrates briefly (at about 1 minute 50 seconds) that the keys can be played right up 'to the top.'

Any action can be played to the top, that is nothing special.

The question is how much key travel is there, how much touch weight and how precise the velocity detection is.

Understood. My old keyboard can be played to the top too, by a gorilla! Well, not quite as bad as that, but the difference in pressure needed makes playing some quite ordinary stuff very difficult. Anyway, it 'looked' like he was pressing very gently, which I why I linked the video, and he says something like that the designers had paid 'attention' or whatever to that, so hopefully that paid off....the response isn't demonstrated. It will be interesting to find out more, and no, I haven't 'gone all starry-eyed' over it but thought it worth a mention because I questioned it earlier in the thread. It will be interesting to know how successful they have been.
Actually, I'd also like to know if their 'half-pedalling' is just that, 'half pedal,' or progressive which is far more useful.
At 2 X 8 watts it's still a bit underpowered for my use, but that really depends on the speakers - on my old keyboard the bass response is almost non-existent, but as I am in no hurry I'm not in danger of jumping at anything yet. However, I haven't dismissed these as possibilities.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 04:13 PM

@petebfrance: What is your old keyboard?

I wouldn't expect anything special from sub-$1000 boards, but the hammer actions of all manufacturers can be played to the top, as already mentioned.

Personally I would avoid this budget bracket altogether add another 500 to get to the good stuff.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by petebfrance
by a gorilla! Well, not quite as bad as that, but the difference in pressure needed makes playing some quite ordinary stuff very difficult.


This was my exact problem with the demonstration. He was really jabbing straight down with a fully vertical finger, which is a "technique" that allows you to play an absolute zero-length pivot and still be able to depress the key. And he very clearly couldn't keep it up as much as when he moved down the key. Not very confidence-inspiring, IMO. It would have been nice to see him play into the key in a more pianistic fashion (e.g., achieving the same effect with an arched finger while both adjacent fingers are on black keys).

In any case, I think we need to have some real "hands-on" demonstrations of the new action, which I still think is very promising in the entry-level segment. But the way the demonstration was performed in that video makes me way more suspicious than convinced. Just my $0.02.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 04:32 PM

@JoeT - I was hoping nobody would ever ask that. It's a Casio CPS-7 from many years ago (1990s?) - used to take it on holiday with me. Unweighted (spring-loaded?) keys. I have tried a few modern DPs (Roland and Yamaha) and the difference is night and day, but neither make made me want to buy. Until I know if I am staying in France or will have to return to the UK (****** BREXIT) I'm not making any decisions or spending unnecessary amounts of money (although, a piano is arguably a necessity). Tbh my preference may still be to buy another acoustic if things go well and I can find a suitable one, but a DP is a viable option. However, Euros spent now reduce available money for a 'long-term' solution - and then, on the other hand, if things drag on as they seem to be I may just have to buy something before the old CSP-7 drives me completely insane.
As they say, I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure frown
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
This was my exact problem with the demonstration. He was really jabbing straight down with a fully vertical finger, which is a "technique" that allows you to play an absolute zero-length pivot and still be able to depress the key. And he very clearly couldn't keep it up as much as when he moved down the key. Not very confidence-inspiring, IMO.

That he needed to mention it tells us everything we need know about Casio actions. wink

So Pete is looking for a solution to a problem, which doesn't actually exist in other digital pianos.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 04:50 PM

Well, TBF anyone who knows how a typical digital action works would ask the question when presented with the claim of a "technological marvel of getting a full sized keybed into a chassis this small." The demonstration is really what is dubious IMO. I just did the same with a Yamy PSR, and I think there really isn't any keyboard anywhere that can't be played into the keys if you just jab straight down with the weight of your entire forearm?
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Gombessa
This was my exact problem with the demonstration. He was really jabbing straight down with a fully vertical finger, which is a "technique" that allows you to play an absolute zero-length pivot and still be able to depress the key. And he very clearly couldn't keep it up as much as when he moved down the key. Not very confidence-inspiring, IMO.

That he needed to mention it tells us everything we need know about Casio actions. wink

So Pete is looking for a solution to a problem, which doesn't actually exist in other digital pianos.

Not quite. I was looking at a suggested possible problem on these keyboards - I wasn't the only person to mention this (somebody really got slapped down on a Casio forum thread for questioning it!) and it is a long-running thingy that is discussed quite often i.e. the length of the key and where the pivot point is, and how this affects the feel / responsiveness of the keyboard.
I'm more used to an acoustic upright, btw, so like the idea of a good key action, and the idea of an even smaller space for the action is a bit worrying.

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Well, TBF anyone who knows how a typical digital action works would ask the question when presented with the claim of a "technological marvel of getting a full sized keybed into a chassis this small." The demonstration is really what is dubious IMO. I just did the same with a Yamy PSR, and I think there really isn't any keyboard anywhere that can't be played into the keys if you just jab straight down with the weight of your entire forearm?

Yes, I agree about it's being dubious. I guess I was hoping that Casio had done something really clever. It was rather perfunctory, now that you mention it - kind of 'there it is, any questions? no - good...' ah well, I'm in no hurry (and nor is HMG)
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 08:13 PM

Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 08:27 PM

That guy is a bad*ss pianist! One of the impros (?) reminded me of Chick Corea. If that’s not a memorized piece by someone else, I’ll have to check out this guy. The piano sound is... OK. The rest is not. But it’s a ridiculously compact and cheap digital piano I’m tempted to buy as a travel piano smile
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 08:48 PM

Is Casio significantly worse than Yamaha when it comes to the whole pivot point thing? My understanding is that it is not, and yet I'm constantly seeing people bash Casio on the grounds of the pivot, but rarely bring it up with Yamaha. Please correct my ignorance! laugh
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/05/19 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
Is Casio significantly worse than Yamaha when it comes to the whole pivot point thing? My understanding is that it is not, and yet I'm constantly seeing people bash Casio on the grounds of the pivot, but rarely bring it up with Yamaha. Please correct my ignorance! laugh


Actually, Casio's existing tri-sensor scaled hammer action has a longer pivot and is easier to play into the keys than Yamaha's GHS action. Casio's major disadvantage is that it's a bit "loose" and very quickly becomes loud/clacky with use. Since Casio's newer action is significantly shorter than the existing one, the question for me is how they can preserve (or improve on) the pivot behavior of the existing action.
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 06:05 AM

Just for kicks (and to avoid having to play music) I just measured the front & rear key dip of my P-515 & PX-330:
P-515: 10mm, 3.5mm
PX-330: 10mm, 2mm

Greg
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by sullivang
Just for kicks (and to avoid having to play music) I just measured the front & rear key dip of my P-515 & PX-330:
P-515: 10mm, 3.5mm
PX-330: 10mm, 2mm

ES100 according to http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2167459

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Key dip: Front 12mm, Rear 4.35mm
Posted By: Kbeaumont

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 02:28 PM

I wouldn't consider the PX-330 a good indicator of the current actions. Casio has been changing (evolving?) their actions from model to model. If you were to start with the PX-310 and check each model (310,320,330,350,360) each has a different feel. I have owned the 310 & the 330. I personally believe the 310 was the better action of these two. Unlike Yamaha who really hasn't changed anything in the GHS action in 10 years nearest I can tell, Casio has been making incremental changes to their key actions.
I wouldn't fret about the actions in these boards until you actually play one. Since they aren't shipping yet, everything is pure speculation.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Kbeaumont

I wouldn't fret about the actions in these boards until you actually play one. Since they aren't shipping yet, everything is pure speculation.


That's the problem when an announced product takes months to make it to the consumer...speculation galore...still, enjoy it whilst it lasts because when those boards do make it to town it will either be full of praise or b*tch*ng about this and that..and then we get to enjoy that too!
Posted By: Beakybird

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 03:01 PM

Yes, and I thought it has already been established that the fulcrum of the keys extends into the chassis of the keyboard so that the keys are actually longer than they look. Am I wrong about this?
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Beakybird
Yes, and I thought it has already been established that the fulcrum of the keys extends into the chassis of the keyboard so that the keys are actually longer than they look. Am I wrong about this?

There is no "chassis" to speak of in Casio's new models.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Beakybird
Yes, and I thought it has already been established that the fulcrum of the keys extends into the chassis of the keyboard so that the keys are actually longer than they look. Am I wrong about this?


They do extend into the chassis to some degree (in that the pivot is not exactly at the point of the fallboard), but it really looks like the new Casio action has one of the shortest pivots ever in a hammer action....which is why there are a lot of questions about it, and how the claim of mechanical contrivances to make it easily playable into the keys is of great interest.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by sullivang
Just for kicks (and to avoid having to play music) I just measured the front & rear key dip of my P-515 & PX-330:
P-515: 10mm, 3.5mm
PX-330: 10mm, 2mm

Greg


So, again pardoning my ignorance ... How do I interpret these numbers? The bigger the difference the shorter the pivot?
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
Originally Posted by sullivang
Just for kicks (and to avoid having to play music) I just measured the front & rear key dip of my P-515 & PX-330:
P-515: 10mm, 3.5mm
PX-330: 10mm, 2mm

Greg


So, again pardoning my ignorance ... How do I interpret these numbers? The bigger the difference the shorter the pivot?

If the front key dip is the same, a larger rear key dip indicates a pivot point located further back and therefore a larger mechanical advantage. So, the P515 has a "longer" pivot point than the PX300. If the action mechanism and weight were exactly the same, then the effort needed to press a key on P515 close to the fallboard would be less than on the PX330 due to its larger mechanical advantage. Measuring the difference between the front and rear key dip is basically an indirect way to determine where the vertex of a triangle (representing the pivot point) is located.

Btw, this reasoning assumes that the actions use a "simple" lever mechanism. A more elaborate lever mechanism could be used to reduce the effort required even with a short pivot point - but afaik all DP actions out there use some sort of simple lever.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus

If the front key dip is the same, a larger rear key dip indicates a pivot point located further back and therefore a larger mechanical advantage. So, the P515 has a "longer" pivot point than the PX300. If the action mechanism and weight were exactly the same, then the effort needed to press a key on P515 close to the fallboard would be less than on the PX330 due to its larger mechanical advantage. Measuring the difference between the front and rear key dip is basically an indirect way to determine where the vertex of a triangle (representing the pivot point) is located.

Btw, this reasoning assumes that the actions use a "simple" lever mechanism. A more elaborate lever mechanism could be used to reduce the effort required even with a short pivot point - but afaik all DP actions out there use some sort of simple lever.


Awesome response, thank you for your help and your patience!

Oh, I just thought of something else. smile So, in order to make fair comparisons, you'd need to make sure the distance between the front and rear of the key were the same, yes? That the length of the exposed part of the key is the same? Otherwise, that's going to through your math off, yes? I'm guessing that's pretty standardized anyway, so probably not much of an issue?
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus


Btw, this reasoning assumes that the actions use a "simple" lever mechanism. A more elaborate lever mechanism could be used to reduce the effort required even with a short pivot point - but afaik all DP actions out there use some sort of simple lever.


Hence the interest in the PX-S1000. Casio has kind of, maybe, possible signaled that "mechanical changes" have been made to allow the keys to be easily played at the fallboard. Whether there's anything more complex than a single hinge/lever is yet to be seen!

Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
, I just thought of something else. smile So, in order to make fair comparisons, you'd need to make sure the distance between the front and rear of the key were the same, yes?


Correct. Nowadays, the exposed key length is the largely standardized. But just a few decades ago, you'd find that some pianos had key lengths of a cm or more difference.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa

Correct. Nowadays, the exposed key length is the largely standardized. But just a few decades ago, you'd find that some pianos had key lengths of a cm or more difference.

Excellent, thank you!
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/06/19 09:12 PM

If these new Casios have a special mechanism I'll eat my own hat - it would be a world first and they'd be shouting it from the roof tops.

Greg.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 05:19 AM

Thank you for the input earlier about the S1000 vs FP-30 vs P125, vs ES110. Today I found my local piano store carries the ES110 and FP30, got a chance to play with them for a bit. I like the sound better on the ES110, but like the feel better on the FP30 (ES110 feels lighter, and have the key clicking noise when playing them, and without ivory).
Also found an FP140R in store, though its the same as FP30 just different look and style?
Man I don't know if I should pull the trigger on either the ES110, FP30, or FP140R.. or wait for little longer. (found FP30 with stand and 3 pedal for $780 USD, free ship and no tax, kinda tempting)
The video you guys shared kept me excited, and I feel like I would like to have a newer keyboard for the long run.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by gary93
Thank you for the input earlier about the S1000 vs FP-30 vs P125, vs ES110. Today I found my local piano store carries the ES110 and FP30, got a chance to play with them for a bit. I like the sound better on the ES110, but like the feel better on the FP30 (ES110 feels lighter, and have the key clicking noise when playing them, and without ivory).
Also found an FP140R in store, though its the same as FP30 just different look and style?
Man I don't know if I should pull the trigger on either the ES110, FP30, or FP140R.. or wait for little longer. (found FP30 with stand and 3 pedal for $780 USD, free ship and no tax, kinda tempting)
The video you guys shared kept me excited, and I feel like I would like to have a newer keyboard for the long run.

I have both an FP30 and an ES110 (wife uses it in our 2nd home) and I personally prefer the keyboard action of the FP30 and the sound of the ES110 too. But sound can be fixed. I myself just use a VST, Pianoteq, and consequently have sound that I like very much.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by gary93
Thank you for the input earlier about the S1000 vs FP-30 vs P125, vs ES110. Today I found my local piano store carries the ES110 and FP30, got a chance to play with them for a bit. I like the sound better on the ES110, but like the feel better on the FP30 (ES110 feels lighter, and have the key clicking noise when playing them, and without ivory).
Also found an FP140R in store, though its the same as FP30 just different look and style?
Man I don't know if I should pull the trigger on either the ES110, FP30, or FP140R.. or wait for little longer.

Go with the sound you like more. Those are all cheap actions, you will get used to one.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by gary93
Thank you for the input earlier about the S1000 vs FP-30 vs P125, vs ES110. Today I found my local piano store carries the ES110 and FP30, got a chance to play with them for a bit. I like the sound better on the ES110, but like the feel better on the FP30 (ES110 feels lighter, and have the key clicking noise when playing them, and without ivory).
Also found an FP140R in store, though its the same as FP30 just different look and style?
Man I don't know if I should pull the trigger on either the ES110, FP30, or FP140R.. or wait for little longer.

Go with the sound you like more. Those are all cheap actions, you will get used to one.


I would say go with the action you like more, thus showing that we're all different! smile

It's great that you had a chance to play so many of your potential choices in the shop.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
I would say go with the action you like more, thus showing that we're all different! smile

Which action you like more might change over time. OTOH you won't suddenly start to like a tin-can sound.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by gary93
Thank you for the input earlier about the S1000 vs FP-30 vs P125, vs ES110. Today I found my local piano store carries the ES110 and FP30, got a chance to play with them for a bit. I like the sound better on the ES110, but like the feel better on the FP30 (ES110 feels lighter, and have the key clicking noise when playing them, and without ivory).
Also found an FP140R in store, though its the same as FP30 just different look and style?
Man I don't know if I should pull the trigger on either the ES110, FP30, or FP140R.. or wait for little longer. (found FP30 with stand and 3 pedal for $780 USD, free ship and no tax, kinda tempting)
The video you guys shared kept me excited, and I feel like I would like to have a newer keyboard for the long run.

Of those I have played the FP30 and FP (is it FP? thought it was just F) 140 and preferred the sound of the F140 - it's on my 'possibles list' whereas the FP30 isn't, but that's just my preference, I guess.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Which action you like more might change over time. OTOH you won't suddenly start to like a tin-can sound.

OTOH, you can always get a better sound by plugging into your computer (or iPhon/iPad if you have one)... you can never improve the action.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
OTOH, you can always get a better sound by plugging into your computer (or iPhon/iPad if you have one)...

Only with spending more money.

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you can never improve the action.

You can - by spending more money.

I seriously think that "Buy an instrument you don't like, because ... computers." is bad advice, especially to beginners.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by anotherscott
OTOH, you can always get a better sound by plugging into your computer (or iPhon/iPad if you have one)...

Only with spending more money.

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you can never improve the action.

You can - by spending more money.

I seriously think that "Buy an instrument you don't like, because ... computers." is bad advice, especially to beginners.

Why do you say that JoeT? I did that in week 2 of my learning piano last February, and I couldn't be happier. Hard to be any more of a beginner than two weeks into having touched a piano for the first time. For my piano (FP30), I spent $800 and about $150 or so (don't recall now) on Pianoteq. What could I have gotten instead for $950 that would have blown my socks off instead of making me quit piano for good after two weeks, which I came close to doing last February?

I think "...because of computers" is brilliant advice. I wish someone could have said it to me when I just got my FP30 instead of having me search all over the Internet for two weeks for a solution (this was 6 weeks before I discovered PW forums).
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by petebfrance
Of those I have played the FP30 and FP (is it FP? thought it was just F) 140 and preferred the sound of the F140 - it's on my 'possibles list' whereas the FP30 isn't, but that's just my preference, I guess.

You are correct, just f140 not fp140. I read the f140 has a slightly better speaker. Though I was only able to try with headphone cause the piano technician was tuning the pianos there.
I do like the f140 style, but the s1000 and fp30 portable style might be a good investment in the long run if I start doing weddings and gigs.
Being able to use 6 AA batteries on the s1000 could be a plus.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by gary93
Being able to use 6 AA batteries on the s1000 could be a plus.

I'm planning on upgrading my FP30 to a Yamaha N1X or Kawai NV10 in the coming weeks, but I've been thinking of also getting a PX-S3000 with a nice travel case for the exact same reason - weight and battery powered portability for when I am on vaca. Interestingly enough, the PX-S3000 and the PX-S1000 are exactly the same weight: 24.7 lbs with battery.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by anotherscott
OTOH, you can always get a better sound by plugging into your computer (or iPhone/iPad if you have one)...
Only with spending more money.

Often minimally so. Under $100 can get you the cabling and software you need for some very nice pianos.

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by anotherscott
you can never improve the action.
You can - by spending more money.

Come on. Are you seriously going to suggest not to worry about buying a board with an unsatisfactory action, because you can always ditch it and buy something else?

Originally Posted by JoeT
I seriously think that "Buy an instrument you don't like, because ... computers." is bad advice, especially to beginners.

But if there is nothing in budget that has an action AND a sound you like... one can be cost-effectively fixable, the other cannot.

Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by anotherscott
OTOH, you can always get a better sound by plugging into your computer (or iPhone/iPad if you have one)...
Only with spending more money.

Often minimally so. Under $100 can get you the cabling and software you need for some very nice pianos.

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by anotherscott
you can never improve the action.
You can - by spending more money.

Come on. Are you seriously going to suggest not to worry about buying a board with an unsatisfactory action, because you can always ditch it and buy something else?

I agree, anotherscott, that these two are not comparable. One involves expending a small-to-medium incremental cost, and the other involves jettisoning your sunk cost by buying an entire replacement, as there are no replaceable actions in digital pianos, and therefore these are a bit absurd in my book to put next to each other as parallel options. They are not parallel at all.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/07/19 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by anotherscott
you can never improve the action.
You can - by spending more money.

Come on. Are you seriously going to suggest not to worry about buying a board with an unsatisfactory action, because you can always ditch it and buy something else?


I didn't understand that comparison either.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 01:44 AM

I believe JoeT is suggesting not to buy boards below 1000 usd, as it is money not well spent, either because of mediocre action and/or mediocre sound, and if you still want to buy below 1000 usd, that it does not matter what you buy as you will get used to whatever you buy. Not saying that it is my opinion, but that is what I understood from the discussion. However, not everyone has or is willing to spend 1500 USD or more, just to get a slightly better action and/or sound. I am still searching for a new DP, and I will compare below and above 1000 usd choices, but mainly because of action. The sound can indeed be modified by VST choices. Maybe we fool ourselves that below 1000 usd you can get quality choices, but it is fun away to search for it :-)
Posted By: RodrigoPon

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 02:02 AM

I think JoeT meant that all these entry level actions are good enough, but not all the sound engines are.

Or maybe we could just wait for him to speak for himself.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
that it does not matter what you buy as you will get used to whatever you buy.

If that was his point, this is not true. As an impulse buy, having previously never considered learning to play piano, I bought a Roland FP30 after only 10 mins of research off Amazon.com in Nov 2017. After having it sit boxed in the corner of a room for weeks, I unboxed and set it up finally in Feb 2018 and did not like the sound:
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Thought about quitting piano since I didn't want to buy another DP and I wasn't sure if any DP would solve the above problem. Discovering the PW forum was still 6 weeks away at that time. Googling, I found VSTs, and finally that Pianoteq had a free trial. Tried it. It solved my problem lickety split, turning the above into:
[Linked Image]
Problem solved for $149, and I am still playing piano! If I had followed his advice, there would be one less piano student in the world right now. So I am completely convinced that he is wrong.

Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by RodrigoPon
I think JoeT meant that all these entry level actions are good enough, but not all the sound engines are.

Indeed, paying less than 1000 bucks on your hardware gets you a certain class of (light carry weight) action. Not a single one there is like a real piano. You nevertheless get used to it (and upgrade at some later point).

As a beginner I was also told (not on PW) to be frugal with the hardware and fix the sound with apps. I still made a quite good choice by accident, but I consider this bad advice to beginners. It could have gone really wrong.

Especially when you're tight budget, you don't want to spend 100+ on an software. If you put that amount towards the hardware, you get a better tone and a better action. That's why I recommend searching for the hardware with the most likable tone for you, because it nets better overall results. I know this opinion is controversial here, wink but I'm still going to express it.

There is a similar thing, where some people (sometimes even teachers) discourage beginners from purchasing higher end digital pianos and recommend to stay under 1000, because "it's never going to play and sound like a piano and serious musicians buy (baby) grands anyway". This often goes along with "you're just paying for the nice case and inside it's all the same digital piano" and similar bad advice.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 10:39 AM

Exactly, so you are saying, everything below 1000 usd is not close enough to be a real piano, so better to spend more.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 04:51 PM

I agree that the 1000 price budget wont get me best of both world. I myself never thought of purchasing a DP, but need one for at least learning pieces and fingers, so action probably be my main focus.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Especially when you're tight budget, you don't want to spend 100+ on an software. If you put that amount towards the hardware, you get a better tone and a better action.

The boards under consideration are "S1000 vs FP-30 vs P125, vs ES110" -- regardless of which one one favors out of that group, where's the option to spend about $100 more and get what most would think is a better tone AND a better action than any of those? (And the software option can be under $100, btw.)

Tha said, if you're going to upgrade the piano sound with software, you'll also have to think about how you want to hear it. Headphones always works. If you want to hear the software piano through the board's internal speakers, the board need to have audio input. Otherwise, you'll need some external speakers of some sort.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Especially when you're tight budget, you don't want to spend 100+ on an software. If you put that amount towards the hardware, you get a better tone and a better action.

Let's use a real case as an example. In Nov 2017, I bought an FP30 for $850 USD. $100 more is $950. What could I have bought for $950 USD that would have had both a better tone and a better action? Even with the benefit of hindsight and the research I've done since my original purchase, I am convinced that such a creature does not exist, at least it did not in Nov 2017, but perhaps you'll change my mind. Yes?
Posted By: ahumdrumoflife

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 08:35 PM

Many many posts, but has anyone played either of these pianos?

I am looking for feedback. I saw the PX1000 in the shop today, no price so maybe only for demo right now. I am no expert but because I currently have a CDP120, was certainly a lot nicer, but my CDP120 is second hand and quite beat up..

I'd be very interested in knowing how this "smart scaled hammer system" is different to the previous version. Even the Casio website don't tell you clearly, it is just all marketing garb.

Piano has very low sound from the speaker, which is understandable. I think the speakers are on the back of the unit, so not ideal in my opinion.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/08/19 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by ahumdrumoflife
Many many posts, but has anyone played either of these pianos?

I am looking for feedback. I saw the PX1000 in the shop today, no price so maybe only for demo right now. I am no expert but because I currently have a CDP120, was certainly a lot nicer, but my CDP120 is second hand and quite beat up..

I'd be very interested in knowing how this "smart scaled hammer system" is different to the previous version. Even the Casio website don't tell you clearly, it is just all marketing garb.

Piano has very low sound from the speaker, which is understandable. I think the speakers are on the back of the unit, so not ideal in my opinion.

You mean you tried the new PX-S1000 in store? Where was it? I am sure lot of us want to give it a try. Were you also able to compare other keyboard they might have in store?
I read the S1000/ S3000 should have rear, also some front facing speaker grill right above the keys.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/09/19 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
I would say go with the action you like more, thus showing that we're all different! smile

Which action you like more might change over time. OTOH you won't suddenly start to like a tin-can sound.


To get back to this… I don't remember anybody mentioning a "tin-can sound". Of course, nobody here advised anyone to just buy something they hate the sound off.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/09/19 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
To get back to this… I don't remember anybody mentioning a "tin-can sound".

Yes, that's my own term for the sound some digitals provide. wink

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Of course, nobody here advised anyone to just buy something they hate the sound off.

That's up to interpretation.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/13/19 02:19 AM

PX-S3000 sound samples
Posted By: abarax

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/13/19 02:58 AM

When will this be released?!
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/13/19 10:10 AM



Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/13/19 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by brooster


27-31 acoustic pianos

Layer sounds 2 + 4 acoustic piano and strings

Posted By: slobajudge

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/13/19 05:49 PM

I was today in one store that have new Casio CDP-S100 which is the same size and similar keyboard to PX-S1000 (frankly I don`t know the difference except `Smart` in the name of action).Unfortunately I was in a rush and try it only for couple of minutes just to lay down fingers on action. So, without definitive conclusions, this basic model doesn`t look cheap. It has fine texture on keys, and if I compare that to my Kawai ES100, I think Casio has a slightly harder action and looks better. Overall, it is very compact size DP, looks good, feel under fingers is good and it is fantastic mobile solution for anyone who wants to play anywhere. I was playing a little between the keys and seems to me that size have some little influence over playability, but don`t take my words too serious because this is just a first contact with it. Maybe I will change my mind when I spend more time with it. Definitely I would love to have one of this no matter other DP I have probably because it is very compact and cute. I suppose that PX-S1000 looks and feel even better.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/13/19 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by brooster


The sounds moved on the list.

Number on the list: 22-26 + 37 acoustic pianos
Layer sounds 2+4 acoustic piano and strings
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/14/19 11:08 PM

Looks like Musician Friends and Kraftmusic has the S1000 in stock on their website.(Kraftmusic showing keyboard is in stock, not the SP-34 3 pedal or CS-68 furniture stand).
Seems B&H have the bundle cheaper, with a different bench and include keyboard cover.
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/14/19 11:37 PM

ooh, wondering who will be first here with the s1000!
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/14/19 11:39 PM

Cannot edit my previous post.. but looks like you can get the S1000 now from amazon as well.
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 12:03 AM

so who is going to order one and give us the juicy first hand report?
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by oscar1
so who is going to order one and give us the juicy first hand report?

14 hrs later....**a dreary silence** smile
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 03:16 PM

The sound demos are so drab it's no wonder there's sudden silence in this thread. But these pianos might turn into good controllers anyway.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
The sound demos are so drab it's no wonder there's sudden silence in this thread. But these pianos might turn into good controllers anyway.


Agreed...my relationship with my ex-AP470 was love at first sight but then it turned out to be more like a one night stand...and then a marriage where I could not stand them anymore...yes I am an ex-Casio divorcee...:)
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by oscar1
so who is going to order one and give us the juicy first hand report?

14 hrs later....**a dreary silence** smile

PX-S1000 is still primarily positioned as someone's first DP, and the regulars here already have their first DP (if not second or third)...
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by oscar1
so who is going to order one and give us the juicy first hand report?

14 hrs later....**a dreary silence** smile

PX-S1000 is still primarily positioned as someone's first DP, and the regulars here already have their first DP (if not second or third)...

Although it was meant to be intended as humour...there is a slight element of truth in that this thread generated 11 pages worth of interest...:) but sure your hypothesis works too.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
PX-S1000 is still primarily positioned as someone's first DP, and the regulars here already have their first DP (if not second or third)...

Thankfully the Kawai ES100 was my first DP, so I got spared from that kind of first piano punishment. wink
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT

Thankfully the Kawai ES100 was my first DP, so I got spared from that kind of first piano punishment. wink


Ouch...a bit harsh but nevertheless funny.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by CyberGene
The sound demos are so drab it's no wonder there's sudden silence in this thread. But these pianos might turn into good controllers anyway.


Agreed...my relationship with my ex-AP470 was love at first sight but then it turned out to be more like a one night stand...and then a marriage where I could not stand them anymore...yes I am an ex-Casio divorcee...:)

Can you / do you have time to say what caused the divorce? The AP470 is one I have on my list in case things get desperate (unwell acoustic plus weakening 90's Casio and awaiting BREXIT decisions to decide where I'll end up living.)
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by petebfrance

Can you / do you have time to say what caused the divorce? The AP470 is one I have on my list in case things get desperate (unwell acoustic plus weakening 90's Casio and awaiting BREXIT decisions to decide where I'll end up living.)


Sure - firstly, let me elaborate that I am picky (not a little but very so perhaps some of the negatives its me not you, i.e. the piano, sort of thing) and secondly let me give some background.

I came across this model on YouTube and doing a bit of research I thought it looked really good on paper for the price it was on offer.
So off I went to a local shop in my area where they had it on display and having sat and played for a good while and the salesperson (who either was a very good pianist or knew that particular piece very well) played it for me and I was instantly sold. I bought it on the spot (yeah I know - my mistake, always trial, walk away, trial some more and then decide).

Like a relationship, it's living with/playing with, when you learn how much you click with that someone or something in this case.

From what I remember, the pros for me were, speaker system (40W with a 2 x 2) it filled the room nicely, AiR sound source it's okay (nothing to write home about but certainly more than okay to practice with), the lid opening (what's not to like there), the price (a lot of features for the price range), Cordana app tweaking ambience/hammer noise/speed of hammer etc.

The things I did not like and ultimately were they deciding factor, first and foremost the action (yes this is very personal so applies to me directly and this is why you should go back and play it several times, hopefully enough to know you will like it or not) it was too light, I tend to lean towards slightly more firm actions like the NWX or the Fatar TP40W now (which is actually even more heavy than the NWX). Secondly, the decay/loop effect was so obvious to my ears, to me a piano decay drops in volume as you hold the note whereas this one seem to go on forever before you noticed the subtlety of the sound fading - that one really annoyed me. The record to USB function, a total gimmick as the recordings are so low in their volume you can barely hear them unless you run them in a DAW and up the gain.

So if the action is good for you, don't care much about the decay/loop and don't mind doing a bit of post editing after recording (if you even plan to record your playing) then you might be onto something. As for me, I made up mind and that was the end of that.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 06:09 PM

@Jamiecw
thank-you. That was very helpful indeed! Of the three things mentioned I think the one that would really bother me would be the unnatural decay - I'd rather have a short decay if it sounded 'honest' than an artificial-sounding long one!
The light action is probably OK because my old acoustic has a very light action (more akin to that found on things like the Roland F140) but I guess I'd need to try it which is a pain because my chances of finding one anywhere near locally are pretty slim - I had considered ordering without trying (yes, I know, risky) but it seems that would not be a good idea.
Recording problems - well, I guess I could live with that, but was aware of it from comments elsewhere on the forum.
Once again, many thanks, much appreciated!

regards
Pete.

Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by anotherscott

PX-S1000 is still primarily positioned as someone's first DP, and the regulars here already have their first DP (if not second or third)...

Although it was meant to be intended as humour...there is a slight element of truth in that this thread generated 11 pages worth of interest...:) but sure your hypothesis works too.

I think the 3000 may generate some more actual purchase interest here than the 1000, as it conceivably has more to offer someone thinking about upgrading from an entry model.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw

I came across this model on YouTube and doing a bit of research I thought it looked really good on paper for the price it was on offer.

Ha, my story was almost the same. Then I ended up on PianoWorld and learned about other brands, keyboard actions and VSTs.

This didn't actually lead to a much better informed purchase decision, it was more luck-based: The Kawai ES100 had just appeared on the market and made a good impression due to its 88 key sampling and native MIDI. But it could have gone wrong.

Nowadays Casio isn't the only low-budget option anymore. There are many models to chose from even in the lowest price bracket. There are now affordable slabs with wooden actions available. Most of that didn't exist five years ago.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Ha, my story was almost the same. Then I ended up on PianoWorld and learned about other brands, keyboard actions and VSTs.

This didn't actually lead to a much better informed purchase decision, it was more luck-based: The Kawai ES100 had just appeared on the market and made a good impression due to its 88 key sampling and native MIDI. But it could have gone wrong.

Nowadays Casio isn't the only low-budget option anymore. There are many models to chose from even in the lowest price bracket. There are now affordable slabs with wooden actions available. Most of that didn't exist five years ago.

In November 2017, I saw a keyboard on the Amazon.com landing page and suddenly, out of the blue, got the idea in my head which hadn't occurred before, that I might learn to play the piano. I think the model was a Casio CDP-100. My finger hovered over the "Buy Now" button, but then I thought, maybe I should check some reviews? Well, a few Amazon customer reviews made me think to google for keyboards which led me to reading about weighted vs non-weighted keyboards and the importance of 88 keys, so about 15 mins later, I ordered a keyboard from a third party seller on Amazon.com having never touched any keyboard before more than incidentally for a few seconds. I lucked out because the keyboard I ended up with was not the Casio, but a Roland FP30. Although, the Casio I would have gotten would have immediately shipped from an Amazon warehouse. As it turns out, the 3rd party seller that sold me the FP30 didn't ship it for almost two months until I threatened to cancel my order with them (and possibly that would have been the end of my idea of learning piano). When I at once hated the FP30 after trying it out, confusing it for
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googling also cured the fault - the sound which a Pianoteq trial showed me could be fixed.

All of this before I finally discovered the PW forums about 6 weeks later. So the Internet has been a big help and in my case, did allow me to make a partially informed first buy without trying anything, but that was part research and part luck, and I'm just lucky the fault in my case could be cured with add-on software. Now of course, 16 months after that first piano purchase, I am trying to decide between the N1X and NV10, I will not make the same mistake as I did originally of not testing it out. So right now, I am waiting for the N1X to be released to local stores so I can try it in person, even though I already tried an N1 already a few months ago and so many have said the N1 and N1X feel the same - I still want to personally test it just in case
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should decide to make a reappearance wink

As to my FP30, I've definitely gotten my money's worth from this keyboard that took me all of 15 mins to choose and order smile This is not to say I couldn't have gotten my money's worth out of a Casio CDP-100, but almost certainly in that case, I'd have already upgraded by now, instead of still being some weeks away from an upgrade.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/15/19 10:32 PM

Hopefully it sounds and feel better in person than the sample once more reviews are out. Have been holding up waiting for it to come, would be a disappointment passing on the deals on the es110 or fp30.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 03:08 AM

I am in the same waiting mode. If I had to choose right now, it would become a Roland FP-30, which probably works out as a good choice till I am ready to pay for better keybed action. I am tempted to acquire the Kawai vpc1, as this is now below 1300 euro (and I am okay to use vst's), but on the other hand, I am not sure how my piano playing "ambition" will evolve, so this 2 step approach might work better. Going for the new stuff, like the Casio Px-s1000, could help me to easily sell it after one or 2 years (assuming it becomes as popular as this thread :-)).
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
I am in the same waiting mode. If I had to choose right now, it would become a Roland FP-30, which probably works out as a good choice till I am ready to pay for better keybed action. I am tempted to acquire the Kawai vpc1, as this is now below 1300 euro (and I am okay to use vst's), but on the other hand, I am not sure how my piano playing "ambition" will evolve, so this 2 step approach might work better. Going for the new stuff, like the Casio Px-s1000, could help me to easily sell it after one or 2 years (assuming it becomes as popular as this thread :-)).

I'm of two minds on this. One is that I own the FP30 as my first piano, and it was absolutely the right thing. It allowed me to use it one year and see how my piano ambition developed. It has and now I am planning on spending 10x more on an upgrade. So I am tempted to advise you do the same except for one thing, which is that you said:
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the Kawai vpc1, as this is now below 1300 euro (and I am okay to use vst's)

I bought the FP30, but immediately hated the sound, and then had to spend another $200 on a VST, and another $200 for a dedicated computer so I wouldn't need to constantly be connecting my laptop every time I wanted to play. Between action and the VST sound, I really feel the VPC1 is a sizable upgrade to a stock FP30, and if it really is so inexpensive, I am really torn about that. Hindsight being 20-20, if I knew then what I know now, I would have been personally better off getting a VPC1, assuming I could have gotten one at that price, than buying an FP30 which I now use as a MIDI controller for a VST.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 05:50 AM

The vpc 1 seems a lot more expensive than I thought..
Posted By: slobajudge

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by gary93
The vpc 1 seems a lot more expensive than I thought..

But it is night and day compare to any of cheap entry level DP
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by slobajudge
Originally Posted by gary93
The vpc 1 seems a lot more expensive than I thought..

But it is night and day compare to any of cheap entry level DP

Yes, and I include in the entry level DPs my current FP30. I think the combination of VPC1+VST is a significantly upgrade in both keyboard action and sound than the FP30 alone.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 11:29 AM

Thanks, that is good feedback. I already have Pianoteq 6, so adding a vcp1 seems a logic step. See for instance at Thomann, https://m.thomann.de/gb/kawai_vpc1.htm, 1299 euro. I will make a decision in April (now on a trip). Hope to find a showroom nearby, so I can try it. I already tried the fp30, and 1st impression was good, although noisy in shop, so hard to say.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I bought the FP30, but immediately hated the sound, and then had to spend another $200 on a VST, and another $200 for a dedicated computer so I wouldn't need to constantly be connecting my laptop every time I wanted to play.

Personally I would have returned the FP-30 immediately and checked other options. In my market adding 400 bucks to the FP-30 would get me into GH territory action-wise, which is a huge improvement over all those entry-level actions.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 12:51 PM

Hi JoeT,
Which one do you have in mind:
Last time you advised me to look at:
Yamaha YDP-S54. : around 1270 euro
YDP-164. : around 1150 euro
P-515. : around 1460 euro
Kawai CN27. : around 1170 euro
KAWAI ES8. : around 1330 euro
Roland FP-90. : around 1640 euro

Currently you get a new Roland FP-30 for 540 euro. So, you need to add at least 600 euro to get to a better action. Fair to say, if I step down on the latest version, like using Yamaha YDP-163, you can get this 945 euro, which is around 400 extra on Fp30

Did I miss one good step-up example?
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
Currently you get a new Roland FP-30 for 540 euro. So, you need to add at least 600 euro to get to a better action.

Stepping up currently starts at YDP-S52 for just below 900 €. Which is a stretch you definitely should make, if you are not hard-limited to the 500 € bracket and still have spare money to spend.

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Fair to say, if I step down on the latest version, like using Yamaha YDP-163, you can get this 945 euro, which is around 400 extra on Fp30

Even if you go back to the "not latest version", they are still better than what Casio has on offer or what you get for example when choosing a P-45.

Beside that the newest Arius models will come down in price, once they are widely available like the previous ones.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 03:31 PM

From what I read, the YDP-S52 comes with Yamaha’s Graded Hammer Standard key action (GHS), also available in P125 (correct me if I am wrong) , which is so far as I know in the same category as Roland FP-30. Probably better than is to choose Yamaha YDP-163, as this has the GH3 action of Yamaha, which is a step-up from that category. For 945 euro, this seems to be a really good price, because if you add a furniture stand for Roland FP-30, you end up paying around 790 euro. So, only by paying 155 euro extra, you get the GH3 action. Of course, you lose the mobility of Roland FP-30.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
From what I read, the YDP-S52 comes with Yamaha’s Graded Hammer Standard key action (GHS), also available in P125 (correct me if I am wrong) ,

This is wrong. The action in the S52 from the P-255, not P-125.

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Probably better than is to choose Yamaha YDP-163, as this has the GH3 action of Yamaha, which is a step-up from that category. For 945 euro, this seems to be a really good price

It is in fact a really good "beginner's piano" for that reason, it has the action from the Clavinova CLP-525.
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 04:15 PM

At this point there is or soon will be YDP-S54 and YDP-164 in the shops near you (for the lucky ones), so those could also be considered instead of the old 52 and 163.
Posted By: ahumdrumoflife

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 08:01 PM

Still cant find any information on the upgraded action on this, the Casio website is wishy washy on how this is an improvement.

I will pop into the piano shop next week for a proper go. I had a quick go a few weeks ago but a compact didn't grab my attenion in a large showroom where it was drowned out by everything else.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/16/19 08:40 PM

Demo sounds from the PX-S1000 this time

PX-S1000 sounds

From the top counting down 7-9,11-12+15-16 Sound Good.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/17/19 09:26 AM

After +300 posts on the new casio px models, hasn’t anyone yet had the opportunity to test this keyboard? At least a comparison of how it feels compared to the action on the previous px generation.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/17/19 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
After +300 posts on the new casio px models, hasn’t anyone yet had the opportunity to test this keyboard? At least a comparison of how it feels compared to the action on the previous px generation.

Few people have gotten their hands on one. I believe the 1000 has only been shipping for a few days, and the 3000 is not shipping yet. Which pretty much leaves you with those who tried it at NAMM.

Though to the extent that the new PX models feel like the new CDP-S100, which I played very briefly, I would say it feels a lot like the previous generation PX. So if you liked that, you'll probably like this; and if you hated that, probably not.
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/17/19 06:26 PM

It's just one man's opinion, I know, but this post claims it's unlike previous Casio keyboards:

https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/v...=eefa9e73ad730039fae6b2ae42d0eda0#p74210
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/17/19 06:29 PM

He also says he's not a pianist, if I remember correctly.

Whatever that is worth...not much I guess. smile
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/17/19 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Steve.L
It's just one man's opinion, I know, but this post claims it's unlike previous Casio keyboards

It's definitely a different design. Obviously, it's more compact. But the question I was answering was about what it feels like. Despite the fact that it is a different physical design, I think it still feels similar to the previous generation (though that's just an overall impression, I didn't actually have the two side by side). And considering how many people like that feel, the fact that they could even come up with a design that feels similar but results in a board that is smaller, lighter, and cheaper ain't a bad thing. I didn't play it enough to notice, but I've seen where it was said that the keys have less bounce, too. So it does seem like an improvement... but it still basically feels pretty similar, IMO. That said, the version in the PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 have "smart" digital enhancements that improve playability compared to the version in the CDP-S100. I don't know if there is any physical difference in the keys (i.e. if you would notice a different feel between the CDP-S100 and the PX-S1000/S3000 if the power were off), but there should at least be an improvement in the way the Privia version plays even if it "feels" the same.
Posted By: ahumdrumoflife

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/18/19 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
After +300 posts on the new casio px models, hasn’t anyone yet had the opportunity to test this keyboard? At least a comparison of how it feels compared to the action on the previous px generation.


I will have a go this this week and will feedback. I am not a pro, but I have an older Casio slab so I can compare.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/19/19 11:29 PM

Perhaps the keys are the same length and pivot point as before they are simply closer to the back wall of the housing.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/19/19 11:42 PM

I own a PX-360 and have a PX-3000 on order. I am going to do a careful side by side when it arrives. I have owned over two dozen digital pianos over the past 25 years including Yamaha, Kawai, Roland, Kurzweil; countless synths, also a Fender Rhodes, a Wurlitzer 140, and an acoustic Mason and Hamlin.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/19/19 11:44 PM

Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/20/19 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by rintincop
Perhaps the keys are the same length and pivot point as before they are simply closer to the back wall of the housing.


There was an action profile diagram that showed a distinctly shorter pivot (it's in this thread), though I have no idea what the provenance of the diagram was. Assuming that's a genuine image, I don't think it's just a matter of reducing the clearance between the back of the frame and the action.
Posted By: Kbeaumont

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/20/19 01:16 PM

What struck me about the video rintincop posted is the two guys in video have smiles on there faces and seem to enjoy playing them. I bet neither of them are worrying about the pivot point.
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/20/19 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kbeaumont
What struck me about the video rintincop posted is the two guys in video have smiles on there faces and seem to enjoy playing them. I bet neither of them are worrying about the pivot point.
Was thinking the same!

I was looking for passages where the action might have limited the players, but seemed like the keyboard gave them everything their fingers asked for!
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/20/19 10:05 PM

Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/20/19 10:37 PM

That video has already been posted. It’s a very nice jazz playing by a pro guy. However the more I listen to these demos, the more I find the piano sound dull and uninspiring. In that regard it reminds me so much of Pianoteq I would have sworn the piano engine in the Casio is modeled. But I guess it’s rather poor sampling that’s to fault. Or maybe they had to fit into something like 1MB for the entire piano. Of course: IMO
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/21/19 04:30 AM

Many people like pianoteq, so that it is not a problem.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/21/19 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
Many people like pianoteq, so that it is not a problem.

Sure! So maybe they did it on purpose and sampled Pianoteq?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/21/19 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by FlexHank
Many people like pianoteq, so that it is not a problem.

Sure! So maybe they did it on purpose and sampled Pianoteq?

Really? But isn't Pianoteq just a model of Garritan?
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/21/19 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by FlexHank
Many people like pianoteq, so that it is not a problem.

Sure! So maybe they did it on purpose and sampled Pianoteq?

Really? But isn't Pianoteq just a model of Garritan?

Indeed. And Garritan were named after the Grotrian patch in Pianoteq.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/21/19 05:17 AM

On YouTube, the first end-user reviews are starting to pop-up, and maybe it is cognitive dissonance, but they all praise the keybed action as very expressive for classical piano playing. Soon one of the piano purist on this forum will have a crack on it :-) hope to see a deep review. I am just an amateur...
Posted By: EVC2017

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/21/19 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
Soon one of the piano purist on this forum will have a crack on it :-) hope to see a deep review. I am just an amateur...


And no matter how good it is, it will be bad. wink
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/21/19 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
On YouTube, the first end-user reviews are starting to pop-up, and maybe it is cognitive dissonance, but they all praise the keybed action as very expressive for classical piano playing. Soon one of the piano purist on this forum will have a crack on it :-) hope to see a deep review. I am just an amateur...

It's all relative though, people praise Medeli toys as well and never touched a real digital piano.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/21/19 10:41 AM

Some are remarkable good, playing these Casio "toys", wish I could reach that level
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/23/19 05:02 PM

Maybe interesting to note is that because of the upcoming PX-S1000, you now see heavy discounts on older ones. In Europe the new Casio PX-S1000 is going for around 640 Euro, but for only 20 euro extra you can get the older (but more versatile) Casio Privia Pro PX-5S. Only 660 Euro now!

You wonder, is the keybed action of PX-S1000 really that much better or just different? If the keybed action between "Tri-Sensor Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard II" and "new scaled hammer action" in PX-S1000 are more or less the same, then you get a remarkable deal with the PX-5S
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/23/19 08:33 PM

Does the PX-S1000 be able to use as a midi keyboard for playing some vst through my computer? The midi got me confused between the s1000 and s3000.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 01:03 AM

Looks like they finally posted the manual for the 3000, FYI.
https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/008/PXS3000_usersguide_A_EN.pdf
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by gary93
Does the PX-S1000 be able to use as a midi keyboard for playing some vst through my computer? The midi got me confused between the s1000 and s3000.

That is never the issue, as long as you have midi / USB, which is normal nowadays, then you can play other instrument sounds via VSTs. However, if you want a master keyboard, to control more aspects of midi, VSTs and DAWs, then you better choose something else, for instance the now cheaper PX-5S.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 03:14 AM

More Manuals for the PX-S3000
Posted By: Beakybird

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 03:25 AM

Has anyone on this forum played one of these yet?
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Beakybird
Has anyone on this forum played one of these yet?


Its really frustrating that neither GC nor SAm Ash in my area had one out despite GC saying on website they were in the store. OT same thing with the Grandstage-

They did have the CDPS100 (or whatever its called that is newer as well) but I wasn't that in to it-nothing wrong just wasnt my cup of tea
Posted By: Creative Piano Guy

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 04:08 PM

My Casio PX-S1000 was delivered three days ago. My experience has been mostly pleasant, as the simplicity of its design and layout is really great, the built in piano sample and dynamic range is pretty good, and the build quality is pretty nice including the textured key-tops. For the price, it would be hard to beat. With one caveat...

As mentioned earlier in the thread, there was concern about the length of the key fulcrums and action playability, considering how small the action is. It is indeed significantly more difficult to play towards the top of the keys. The laws of physics apply here making it difficult for me to get a totally even tone.
crazy
I realize you can't have everything in one DP, and this one has a lot, from is battery powered portability to its striking design to its very reasonable price tag. The sounds and overall action playability are also pretty good. I am going to college next semester and am intent on replacing my (sold) concert grand and old P120 with a DP that will suit my needs both as a gigging student and an avid classical pianist. Still debating whether it's worth the tradeoffs.

In the meantime, I've been eyeing the P515.... although doubling the weight and size from my px-s1000 is not appealing and I'm seeing mixed opinions on it's action playability. Does anybody here have thoughts on 515 in this context?

Decisions, decisions...
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Creative Piano Guy
As mentioned earlier in the thread, there was concern about the length of the key fulcrums and action playability, considering how small the action is. It is indeed significantly more difficult to play towards the top of the keys. The laws of physics apply here making it difficult for me to get a totally even tone.
crazy

That's too bad. Can you return it for free or a restocking fee?
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Creative Piano Guy
It is indeed significantly more difficult to play towards the top of the keys.


Finally someone says it after actually playing it! laugh

Originally Posted by Creative Piano Guy
The laws of physics apply here making it difficult for me to get a totally even tone.


As was obvious all the time. smirk

Not to say that new Casio S models need to be bad. They just might not then be suitable for everybody. Like somewhat advanced classical players for example.
Posted By: slobajudge

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 05:46 PM

Thats my experience also with CDP S100, it is same size, I mention earlier that from my short experience with this piano I feel like there is a small problem to play between the keys. Unfortunately I was in a rush to stay and play it more, so after couple of minutes I wasn`t sure what to think about it. Creative piano guy now have it in his home, so his opinion is more valid. As I already said, it is fantastic mobile solution.
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 07:30 PM

The PX-s1000 is replacing the lowest privia models so obviously the real reviews from advanced and trained player will be mixed. I'd say the consensus will be "good deal for the money", which should be the measuring stick here. Not sure why the overwhelming optimism that this will be $2K piano for third of the price.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Creative Piano Guy

In the meantime, I've been eyeing the P515.... although doubling the weight and size from my px-s1000 is not appealing and I'm seeing mixed opinions on it's action playability. Does anybody here have thoughts on 515 in this context?


I've tried the 515 at store but they still don't have s1000 for comparison. IMO as a classical pianist, the feels of the 515 is not bad. Though 1 thing i don't like is the bounce and the clunk noise. it's significantly louder and feel lighter than the roland (102, fp30 etc) thus i liked the roland a little better.
Been eyeing on the s1000 myself. Do you think its a decent enough keyboard to do practices?
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 07:32 PM

At least I now know I won't have to eat my own hat. (a YouTuber actually *did* eat a tiny bit of his hat, and it was extremely difficult)

Greg
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by oscar1
The PX-s1000 is replacing the lowest privia models so obviously the real reviews from advanced and trained player will be mixed. I'd say the consensus will be "good deal for the money", which should be the measuring stick here.

Let's ask the other way: How is this superior to a Kawai ES100 (older action with pivot length on par with CLP-645) and ES110 (newer action)?

There is absolutely no problem to play those between keys.

Why do I ask: They sell at roughly the same price at Thomann (In fact ES110 is currently 70 € cheaper than the PX-S1000).
Posted By: slobajudge

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/24/19 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by oscar1
The PX-s1000 is replacing the lowest privia models so obviously the real reviews from advanced and trained player will be mixed. I'd say the consensus will be "good deal for the money", which should be the measuring stick here.

Let's ask the other way: How is this superior to a Kawai ES100 (older action with pivot length on par with CLP-645) and ES110 (newer action)?

There is absolutely no problem to play those between keys.

Why do I ask: They sell at roughly the same price at Thomann (In fact ES110 is currently 70 € cheaper than the PX-S1000).

I don`t think it is superior, I have ES100 also, it is better to keep it if we talking about playability, but definitely Casio is very compact size and looks good and as such it is better for traveling and in every situation where we need more space for example under the table like I need. I want to replace my Kawai ES100 with Casio because I keep it in my office (where I am working) under the table and Casio is 4cm less height and for my legs it is better fit.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 01:09 AM

Everyone was talking about the newly designed scaled Hammer keybed, so I would be very interested in how this compares to Casio PX-160 (tri-sensor ||) and the famous Roland FP-30 action. The small format design and portability might appeal to some, but if the action is not really better, then all the excitement is for nothing.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
Everyone was talking about the newly designed scaled Hammer keybed, so I would be very interested in how this compares to Casio PX-160 (tri-sensor ||) and the famous Roland FP-30 action. The small format design and portability might appeal to some, but if the action is not really better, then all the excitement is for nothing.

Well, Creative Piano Guy says above that it is difficult to control the keys near the fallboard, so it sounds like the action is not as improved as it would need to be to actually be comparable to a DP with a longer pivot.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 01:21 AM

Yes, I saw it, hence my slightly disappointed remark. I have put it as a question, as we might get more reviews, maybe the consensus is better, but this 1st review is not encouraging.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 01:38 AM

Here's a video I found. Though he didn't mention about the action besides saying its a different action.

Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 02:05 AM

Yes, I saw that one. Not really a review, but at least if you live nearby, you can walk inside and try out. In my country they do not even talk about the Px-s1000, and you cannot try or buy it, hence I am waiting for real reviews. I can try Roland, the older Casio and Kawai, which I will do soon. The only reason for following this thread was the "excitement" that was created around the form factor and newly designed Hammer keybed of the Px-s1000, in combination with the low price point, but I start to realise that they meant, it is a remarkable keybed action considering the small form factor, but not "better" keybed action, just great achievement to put it into a small console.
Posted By: Beakybird

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 02:35 AM

They should have just made it a 1/2" deeper (1.25cm). I don't think anyone would complain that it was too big.
Posted By: PwYm

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Steve.L
It's just one man's opinion, I know, but this post claims it's unlike previous Casio keyboards:

https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/v...=eefa9e73ad730039fae6b2ae42d0eda0#p74210


I think he was hired by Casio to promote those new models. From what I gather he mostly plays synth key, and has very little experience with weighted actions. I played the new Casio CDP-S100, which is supposed to have the same key mechanism, and it feels like an entry level action, with short black keys (harder to press toward the back of the key).
Posted By: Mike_Martin

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by PwYm


I think he was hired by Casio to promote those new models. From what I gather he mostly plays synth key, and has very little experience with weighted actions. I played the new Casio CDP-S100, which is supposed to have the same key mechanism, and it feels like an entry level action, with short black keys (harder to press toward the back of the key).



No he was not hired or paid in any way to promote Casio keyboards.

As has been said previously in this thread, PX-S series is not the same action as the CDP-S series.
Posted By: Kbeaumont

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 04:03 PM

Mike, nothing anyone can say will stop people from pontificating on things they know nothing about. Its the way of the internet. Its amazing how many experts there are on boards that haven't even shipped yet. When they are finally proven wrong in pictures, then they will whip out there magical ears as the ultimate UN-provable claim of superiority. Good luck on the new products, CASIO gets better with each new release.
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 04:59 PM

Casio always was the best bang for the buck. What I really love about Casio is however the secondary market. You can pickup used PX-150 or 160 for a song. And for the current used prices it is unbeatable by any other maker. But that is also a double-sided sword. It means if you buy new casio you won't be able to get much if you want to sell it. Even the bestbuy models like CDP 200 are absolutely superb deals when bought used. I've got used CDP for $50 and that was CAD, not USD. There is just no way you going to beat that with yamaha, roland or anything like that. Nobody will sell that low. Even the Medeli made Korgs are more expensive and I would always take Casio than Korgs keyboard.
Even if you buy any of those CDP or,PX just as a midi keyboard and never play their sounds the action beats all the weighted m-audio etc for under $600 by miles.
The new S1000 while it has big sticker now would be even more desirable through secondary market as a superb midi keyboard due to its compact size. I am glad that casio understands its place now as a quality yet budget option. They tried for the high street with GDP - but let's be honest - how many concert halls are replacing their yamahas or kawais with casio?
Posted By: atcsam

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 06:13 PM

Just watched this, upside down and backwards, he likes it. I'm considering this or the 3000 for dorm use, son needs to ramp up to level iii / iv proficiency, hoping this would help. Better I/o than Fp30 or es 110.


Posted By: pold

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/25/19 08:51 PM

The sound is good, but for the action they could at least make longer pivot, like in the roland LX708.
Posted By: gerhard_k

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 02:38 AM

Watching this last video (2 posts up), I thought it was remarkable how close to the fallboard he is playing most of the time - those keys can't be that hard to play near the pivot with the type of music that he has chosen -
- Gerhard
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by gerhard_k
Watching this last video (2 posts up), I thought it was remarkable how close to the fallboard he is playing most of the time - those keys can't be that hard to play near the pivot with the type of music that he has chosen -
- Gerhard

This is a good point. Watching the upside down video, and how he presses the keys so close to the fallboard, I keep thinking that someone at his skill level would probably not gush so much about how awesome it is if it was really that hard to control the keys close to the fallboard. (Either that or else Casio is paying him! laugh )
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 03:55 AM

Mitchell Milkov on youtube been posting few videos of him practice chopin nocturne with the px-s1000.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

This is a good point. Watching the upside down video, and how he presses the keys so close to the fallboard, I keep thinking that someone at his skill level would probably not gush so much about how awesome it is if it was really that hard to control the keys close to the fallboard. (Either that or else Casio is paying him! laugh )


I don't know about that. Really great, experienced pianists, especially gigging artists, can and do make anything work, and I find they're often WAY less picky than enthusiasts like us who are hanging out on forums all day nitpicking pivot lengths smile

I remember seeing a video of some cat just having a blast rocking up and down a P-115 (which has an atrocious pivot length) and a PX-160, all smiles and compliments the entire way through.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Really great, experienced pianists, especially gigging artists, can and do make anything work, and I find they're often WAY less picky than enthusiasts like us who are hanging out on forums all day nitpicking pivot lengths smile

I remember seeing a video of some cat just having a blast rocking up and down a P-115 (which has an atrocious pivot length) and a PX-160, all smiles and compliments the entire way through.


This!

Good pianist can play on anything and make it sound great!

James
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Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Really great, experienced pianists, especially gigging artists, can and do make anything work, and I find they're often WAY less picky than enthusiasts like us who are hanging out on forums all day nitpicking pivot lengths smile

I remember seeing a video of some cat just having a blast rocking up and down a P-115 (which has an atrocious pivot length) and a PX-160, all smiles and compliments the entire way through.


This!

Good pianist can play on anything and make it sound great!

James
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I don't know dudes! That Chopin Black Key Etude he plays from the ceiling at 5:17 looks brutal if the keys are that hard to press near the fallboard!

Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This is a good point. Watching the upside down video, and how he presses the keys so close to the fallboard, I keep thinking that someone at his skill level would probably not gush so much about how awesome it is if it was really that hard to control the keys close to the fallboard. (Either that or else Casio is paying him! laugh )

I just watched the upside down video and all I see is the usual ocean of loud and fast notes with pedal down, because those hide tone generator deficiencies best. The typical show off a dealer does trying to sell you a piano.

I've yet to see someone practicing a slow and quiet polyphonic piece with distinct voicing, played without pedal near the fallboard. How hard could it be?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
I've yet to see someone practicing a slow and quiet polyphonic piece with distinct voicing, played without pedal near the fallboard. How hard could it be?

Well, there's Für Elise at 3:44, but that's not near the fallboard.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by JoeT
I've yet to see someone practicing a slow and quiet polyphonic piece with distinct voicing, played without pedal near the fallboard. How hard could it be?

Well, there's Für Elise at 3:44, but that's not near the fallboard.

Is Für Elise this a polyphonic piece played without pedal? (No, it's a monophonic melody accompanied by broken chords and played with lots of pedal.)
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by JoeT
I've yet to see someone practicing a slow and quiet polyphonic piece with distinct voicing, played without pedal near the fallboard. How hard could it be?

Well, there's Für Elise at 3:44, but that's not near the fallboard.

Is Für Elise this a polyphonic piece played without pedal? (No, it's a monophonic melody accompanied by broken chords and played with lots of pedal.)

Sorry, you're right. I was fixated on your word "slow." Well, you could buy one and show us such a demo wink
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 02:05 PM

Not impressed myself tone-wise by the upside-down demo, but if you go to the guy's youtube channel (well, I think it's his channel -not plugging it, no relation etc.) he has recorded some Chopin nocturnes which I think give an indication of how it sounds on slower pieces.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCblVv-IaNKWfC5cI7tQ2c3w
Not exactly bowled over by it myself (but I'm probably one of the few people in the world who if given a Steinway grand would cash-in and buy an upright, a house, car etc. with the proceeds), but see for yourselves.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Well, you could buy one and show us such a demo wink

I'm not an advanced pianist who can anything make work on anything.

I just suggested someone really good at piano providing an example of a convincing interpretation of something like Bach's Inventions and Sinfonias on an entry level keyboard (like Casio's new PX-S series) while playing near fallboard with no pedal at slow tempo.

Not the usual hurricane of fortissimo notes with the pedal down all the way.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 08:35 PM

Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/26/19 09:34 PM

Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/27/19 09:03 PM

Finally got a chance to try out the px-s1000.
Compare to the px160 side by side, the s1000 keys are heavier, less bounce, quicker response, and lot quieter (Which I preferred). The ivory key spread out evenly on black and white keys on the s1000, feel less plasticky, where some keyboard has different feel between the black and white keys.
Sound wise, it sounds very different than the px160. partially because the speaker position. the s1000 sounded more 'surround', but also can be kinda muffled from having rear facing speaker with small front facing speaker grill instead of upward facing on the px160. Not an expert at the sound engine, but the s1000 piano sample one sounds nicer to my ear than the px160.
Now compare to the roland, I can only compare to the f140r that the other piano store across the street has (which I read its same keys with different body than the fp30). Surprisingly they kinda feels similar. I like both being heavier than yamaha's, and kawai es110. The s1000 feel it has less bounce than the f140r.
The key does get little harder to press when its close to the fall board (about 0.5 inch / 1.5 cm or so), which still playable, you probably won't get that close if you played an upright piano with a straight up fallboard anyway.
My intent purpose is for practicing at home in a small space. The s1000 music stand sticks out quite a lot. Would had been nice if it was just a little rail to mount a music stand like the fp30.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/27/19 09:15 PM

Thanks, Gary. I love my PX-160, but I'm definitely wondering what my next purchase will be, and the PX-S1000 is certainly a contender. Hopefully I'll get a chance to try one out myself before too long.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/28/19 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by gary93
The key does get little harder to press when its close to the fall board (about 0.5 inch / 1.5 cm or so), which still playable, you probably won't get that close if you played an upright piano with a straight up fallboard anyway.

I have to use the full length of any piano keys, because my inside fingers are long and my outside fingers are short, so once the thumb goes on a black key, the others are at the fallboard.

Upright piano actions are perfectly playable anywhere on the keys. It's digital piano actions, which have issues with their minuscule key travel and totally unrealistic leverage.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/28/19 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
I have to use the full length of any piano keys, because my inside fingers are long and my outside fingers are short, so once the thumb goes on a black key, the others are at the fallboard.

Upright piano actions are perfectly playable anywhere on the keys. It's digital piano actions, which have issues with their minuscule key travel and totally unrealistic leverage.


It probably not as good of an action for you if you do play close to the top. I had learn to avoid ( tilt my hands slightly ) playing that far up cause I had bang my fingers onto the fallboard ( like running into a wall ) on some upright where the fallboard is straight up from the end of the keys.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/28/19 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by gary93
It probably not as good of an action for you if you do play close to the top. I had learn to avoid ( tilt my hands slightly ) playing that far up cause I had bang my fingers onto the fallboard ( like running into a wall ) on some upright where the fallboard is straight up from the end of the keys.

My options are somewhat limited, because of my hand span. When I have to stretch for sharp/flat octaves, the other fingers (already rounded) have to go somewhere, so sometimes I have to play right at the felt.

Though I never encountered an acoustic piano, where pivot length was a problem for me. Even the shortest actions work just fine, when properly weighted and regulated.

The main problem is, that some cheap digital actions are simply a sham: They all emulate acoustic piano key length, but only in an visual manner. Their real "fallboard" is much further to the front and the usable key length is sometimes as short as this:

[Linked Image]

That's the reason, why pivot length is a recurring topic in the digital forums, while almost nobody with APs talks about it, and why I asked for demonstrations playing easy polyphonic pieces legato in a convincing manner. Banging the keys with the pedal down works well on any action, even the Reface CP you see above.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/28/19 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Banging the keys with the pedal down works well on any action

Pedal up or down should make no difference.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/28/19 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by JoeT
Banging the keys with the pedal down works well on any action

Pedal up or down should make no difference.

Pedal down hides deficiencies in legato playing (how well does it work at the fallboard?) and the tone generator as well.

Playing staccato while connecting everything with pedal demonstrates nothing.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/28/19 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT

Pedal down hides deficiencies in legato playing (how well does it work at the fallboard?)

I was thinking of control of Note On events, but yes, pedal could mask the handling of Note Off events.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/28/19 07:10 PM

Just got the PX-S1000 and tried it out by playing "Somebody To Love" (Queen) on it. It sounds completely different than previous Privia models. The lower register has an amazing deep, rich sound to it! As Casio said, everything about this board is new (new case/chassis, new key action, new samples, new interface, etc). The key action on this is absolutely amazing for a board with such a short depth! I'll do a full and proper review on it as soon as I become 100% familiarized with it.

In the meantime, check out the sound in my video:

Somebody To Love (Queen) - Piano Cover on PX-S1000
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/28/19 07:35 PM

Been waiting for this, thanks Chuck, and will look forward to your full review. I would appreciate if you could highlight some differences in keybed actions, for instance in comparison to Roland FP-30, or the keybeds in px-160/360/560,etc...
Posted By: DoogansDad

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/29/19 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Just got the PX-S1000 and tried it out by playing "Somebody To Love" (Queen) on it. It sounds completely different than previous Privia models. The lower register has an amazing deep, rich sound to it! As Casio said, everything about this board is new (new case/chassis, new key action, new samples, new interface, etc). The key action on this is absolutely amazing for a board with such a short depth! I'll do a full and proper review on it as soon as I become 100% familiarized with it.

In the meantime, check out the sound in my video:

Somebody To Love (Queen) - Piano Cover on PX-S1000

Saw your video within an hour of posting. Thank you very much for the sound review.
I'm holding out for the PX-S3000 when it begins shipping.

Jim
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/29/19 09:53 PM

Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/29/19 10:01 PM

Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/29/19 10:08 PM


He doesn't start playing until 7:10

Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/29/19 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by brooster

Thumbs up for using microphones. This is the correct way to review digital pianos with built-in speakers. Only stage pianos should be recorded using their Line Outputs.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/30/19 04:13 AM

Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT

Thumbs up for using microphones. This is the correct way to review digital pianos with built-in speakers. Only stage pianos should be recorded using their Line Outputs.

Line Out recordings on DPs with speakers are useful too. Just because a board has speakers, that doesn't mean that will be the main way someone hears their piano. Many more often use headphones or external amplification, even if they like also having the option of the built-in speakers sometimes.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by JoeT

Thumbs up for using microphones. This is the correct way to review digital pianos with built-in speakers. Only stage pianos should be recorded using their Line Outputs.

Line Out recordings on DPs with speakers are useful too. Just because a board has speakers, that doesn't mean that will be the main way someone hears their piano. Many more often use headphones or external amplification, even if they like also having the option of the built-in speakers sometimes.

In addition, the speakers point forwards on these, so what the microphones are recording may be nothing like what the player hears. This is one of the things that puts me off them for home use - I gather the idea in that instance is to place the keyboard close to a wall so that the sound reflects back, but …... However, I had a look at the manual and appears that they will put sound out to the headphones and the speakers at the same time.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Line Out recordings on DPs with speakers are useful too. Just because a board has speakers, that doesn't mean that will be the main way someone hears their piano.

It's in fact the main way how home users use their home piano, slab or furniture. That's the reason why they have built-in speakers. You can verify this on YouTube in numerous occasions.

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Many more often use headphones or external amplification, even if they like also having the option of the built-in speakers sometimes.

The only thing a LINE recording proves, how well it does for a LINE recording. LINE OUT isn't relevant for headphones at all and it doesn't tell anything about external amplification as well. For that the specific external amplification needs to be recorded with microphones the same way.

Many digital pianos are reviewed in a highly deceptive way. Like recording their voltage through professional studio equipment and pretending that their shoddy speakers and headphone amps do not exist. So using microphones and recording the room is a step in the right direction.
Posted By: butchkoch

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 01:54 PM

I love the value of this keyboard. One function not working for me however, is to silence the speakers. The manual informs that if you hit the function key, then F7, it turns off the external speakers. It does not. I haven't been able to turn off the speakers either by that function, by inserting headphones, or in the line out jack.
Posted By: ap215

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by butchkoch
I love the value of this keyboard. One function not working for me however, is to silence the speakers. The manual informs that if you hit the function key, then F7, it turns off the external speakers. It does not. I haven't been able to turn off the speakers either by that function, by inserting headphones, or in the line out jack.


On my PX-S1000, when plugging in a headphone (into either one of the two headphone jacks on the front), the speakers automatically turn off, and the sound is redirected through the headphone. This is the default behavior and I did not change any related settings.

When you plug in your headphones on yours, can you hear anything though the headphones? Maybe you can try doing a factory reset.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by JoeT

Thumbs up for using microphones. This is the correct way to review digital pianos with built-in speakers. Only stage pianos should be recorded using their Line Outputs.

Line Out recordings on DPs with speakers are useful too. Just because a board has speakers, that doesn't mean that will be the main way someone hears their piano. Many more often use headphones or external amplification, even if they like also having the option of the built-in speakers sometimes.

+1 to that! The only time I use the built-in speakers on any board is to perform at a small solo piano gig... it saves on bringing external amplification. There's only 2 types of users that I know of personally who use built-in speakers: 1) those who purchased the console type (furniture style) digital pianos with awesome sound systems built in, and 2) those in college dorms or other restrictive housing where space is a problem. Everyone else I know uses studio monitors for home, and PA's for live/band gigging.
Its a big "no no" to use speakers when doing any type of professional recording!
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Line Out recordings on DPs with speakers are useful too. Just because a board has speakers, that doesn't mean that will be the main way someone hears their piano.

It's in fact the main way how home users use their home piano, slab or furniture. That's the reason why they have built-in speakers. You can verify this on YouTube in numerous occasions.

I don't see how Youtube can verify what percentage of people who have DPs with speakers primarily play the piano with those speakers. Certainly people who gig with them in a full band situation or who record with them don't. And there have been plenty of posts here from people who mostly use headphones (where, in fact, the ability to practice "silently" may have been a key motivation for buying a digital in the first place), as well as plenty of posts about people using small studio monitors to improve the sound of their slabs. I'm not saying it's a majority... I'm just saying that, even just from posts in his forum, you can tell it's not uncommon for people to use their pianos in ways where they are not relying on the internal speakers.

Originally Posted by JoeT
The only thing a LINE recording proves, how well it does for a LINE recording. LINE OUT isn't relevant for headphones at all and it doesn't tell anything about external amplification as well.

Line Out gives you a better idea of what the piano can sound like when not limited by its internal speakers. Of course, it is colored (as microphone-in-room recordings are as well) by the qualities of your own playback system. But if you're listening to the video through high quality reasonably flat headphones, a Line Out recording will give you an idea of what the piano will sound like when played through, well, a high quality reasonably flat playback system (whether headphones, studio monitors, or PA). It will certainly give you a closer representation of that than will listening to a recording of it it played through its own speakers (where, by the way, you also have variables like the characteristics of the room it was recorded in, the quality of the microphone, and as someone else mentioned, mic placement).
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by ap215
+1 to that! The only time I use the built-in speakers on any board is to perform at a small solo piano gig... it saves on bringing external amplification. There's only 2 types of users that I know of personally who use built-in speakers: 1) those who purchased the console type (furniture style) digital pianos with awesome sound systems built in, and 2) those in college dorms or other restrictive housing where space is a problem. Everyone else I know uses studio monitors for home, and PA's for live/band gigging.

I've never seen studio monitors paired with a Casio at someone's home. A Casio doesn't do them justice anyway.

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Its a big "no no" to use speakers when doing any type of professional recording!

It's about reviewing the digital piano as a whole including its speakers, not reviewing its professional recording abilities. These products are clearly aimed at amateurs with limited budget/space and not at gigging musicians.
Posted By: ahumdrumoflife

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 10:53 PM

Hi all

I have had a second time playing the SX1000 in a shop. It is hard to review this in a large shop as the speakers on full volume are drowned out by the other instruments. It did not seem too different to my CDP 120.

I myself wouldn't buy it as an upgrade, it was an option before trying. The action is light ,and I had a chance to compare this with the FP-30 which also has a light action. it really did not help I played this AFTER playing on the high ends DPs.

The difference between these lower end DPs and the FP-90 is night and day. I am glad I was able to find a place having this range, as I know my next digital piano has to be something along the lines of an ES8, FP-90 or P515 (which i have yet to try).



Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by ahumdrumoflife

The action is light

Sounds to me like someone at the store changed the velocity (touch) settings to light. I did not find the action to be light unless you change the touch settings to light! That's the problem with store demo models.... unless you know how to change the settings, you think that that's the way it is! Even powering off/on doesn't always do it if someone set the keyboard to "resume" mode (resume from where it left off at last power-off).
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Originally Posted by ahumdrumoflife

The action is light

Sounds to me like someone at the store changed the velocity (touch) settings to light. I did not find the action to be light unless you change the touch settings to light! That's the problem with store demo models.... unless you know how to change the settings, you think that that's the way it is! Even powering off/on doesn't always do it if someone set the keyboard to "resume" mode (resume from where it left off at last power-off).

PianoManChuck, Was the shorter pivot point very noticeable to you when playing near the fallboard?
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

PianoManChuck, Was the shorter pivot point very noticeable to you when playing near the fallboard?

Only if you're looking for it /expecting it. When I perform with it, its not really noticeable to me (but I can adjust to any keyboard in a matter of about 10 seconds since I've had to do that all of my life). If you played this immediately after playing something like a Kawai MP11 or Yamaha CP4, yes - you will definitely notice it!!
Best to get to your local retailer and try it.... and don't try to look for it... actually play something!
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 03/31/19 11:28 PM

On Wednesday I am going to travel 260km to try out more expensive DPs. In the cheaper segment, unfortunately, there are no Casio Px-s1000 yet in this country, but I noticed they do have the Casio CDP S100/350, so I will try them. Could someone highlight if the keybed action of the CDP S100/350 is more or less the same as the Px-s1000?

Appreciated

@Chuck, I know you like the Kawai Vpc1, is the action on Vpc1 so much better than the Px-s1000, or is it neglectable?
Posted By: ahumdrumoflife

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 12:05 AM

Casio call the action on the S1000 as Smart Scaled Hammer. They don't say anything more than that.

Tri-Sensor Scaled Hammer Action II was their older action. Maybe it is the same but renamed? i thin they would make a bigger song and dance if it was an actual new action.

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For the first time, Casio’s Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard simulates the unique touch response of each individual key, delivering increased authenticity and a new level of playability. Simulated ebony and ivory textures on the keytops complete the playing experience.

Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by ahumdrumoflife
Casio call the action on the S1000 as Smart Scaled Hammer. They don't say anything more than that.

Tri-Sensor Scaled Hammer Action II was their older action. Maybe it is the same but renamed? i thin they would make a bigger song and dance if it was an actual new action.

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For the first time, Casio’s Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard simulates the unique touch response of each individual key, delivering increased authenticity and a new level of playability. Simulated ebony and ivory textures on the keytops complete the playing experience.


Maybe this is why I'm not in marketing, but I would have thought the word "smart" should imply something more? (i.e. "smart scaled" vs "scaled")
confused
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 12:22 AM

ahumdrumoflife: according to Mike Martin (earlier in this thread), the new action is no longer tri-sensor.

Greg
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank

@Chuck, I know you like the Kawai Vpc1, is the action on Vpc1 so much better than the Px-s1000, or is it neglectable?

Apples & Oranges. Kawai VPC1 action has long wooden keysticks balanced on a fulcrum for a true(er) acoustic grand piano feel.
The PX-S1000 action is very good, but wouldn't come close... but then again it doesn't have a $2k price tag either (and that $2k only gets you the action... its a controller, with no sounds of its own).
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by ahumdrumoflife
Casio call the action on the S1000 as Smart Scaled Hammer. They don't say anything more than that.

Tri-Sensor Scaled Hammer Action II was their older action. Maybe it is the same but renamed? i thin they would make a bigger song and dance if it was an actual new action.

It is a brand new action designed from scratch. Its not tri-sensor either, its technically two sensors, but the "smart" portion of it is software based... it doesn't need a third sensor. The way I understand it, it "senses" (software based) when a key is on its way up but re-struck before it gets to the top, so this can happen almost anywhere in the key's travel without having to come up past a 3rd (or middle) sensor. Almost makes a 3-sensor approach seem obsolete if they accomplished this... and so far, playing very fast repeated notes seems to work flawlessly (better than some 3-sensor actions I've played).
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Originally Posted by FlexHank

@Chuck, I know you like the Kawai Vpc1, is the action on Vpc1 so much better than the Px-s1000, or is it neglectable?

Apples & Oranges. Kawai VPC1 action has long wooden keysticks balanced on a fulcrum for a true(er) acoustic grand piano feel.
The PX-S1000 action is very good, but wouldn't come close... but then again it doesn't have a $2k price tag either (and that $2k only gets you the action... its a controller, with no sounds of its own).


Fair enough. I agree with you that a big part is personal, some actions are preferred by others, some not. But as you highlighted, the VPC1 is closer to real piano action, so technology also plays a big role in defining what is considered a real piano feel and action. Last question : I am also going to try out the Studiologic SL88 Grand on Wednesday. Would you rate the action on this SL88 as better (piano feel) than Casio Px-s1000, or similar?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
Last question : I am also going to try out the Studiologic SL88 Grand on Wednesday. Would you rate the action on this SL88 better (piano feel) better as Casio Px-s1000, or similar?

if you really are focused on action, why would you purposely choose a Fatar action?
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by FlexHank
Last question : I am also going to try out the Studiologic SL88 Grand on Wednesday. Would you rate the action on this SL88 better (piano feel) better as Casio Px-s1000, or similar?

if you really are focused on action, why would you purposely choose a Fatar action?


Budget wise, and I want to feel it myself, but as there is no casio px-s1000 over here, all I can do is ask what people think.
Posted By: Cheshire Chris

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
There's only 2 types of users that I know of personally who use built-in speakers: 1) those who purchased the console type (furniture style) digital pianos with awesome sound systems built in, and 2) those in college dorms or other restrictive housing where space is a problem. Everyone else I know uses studio monitors for home, and PA's for live/band gigging.


I must say that I find this a little strange. Many stage pianos (eg the Yamaha P515 that I own) have perfectly acceptable built-in speakers. I play using the speakers during the day, and with headphones at night (to avoid disturbing the neighbours).
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
so far, playing very fast repeated notes seems to work flawlessly (better than some 3-sensor actions I've played).

The third sensor isn't really about repeating keys quickly as much as repeating them softly. Fast as it is, the Billy Joel style of the intro to Angry Young Man does not benefit from a 3rd sensor at all, because the key raises above the top sensor between each strike regardless. It's when you want to repeat at lesser velocities (and so dont want the repeating keystrikes to initiate from so high) that you notice the difference (in repetitions and trills).

Some 2-sensor boards do repeat from as low in their travel as some 3-sensor boards... it's because their top sensor is relatively low. Korg SV1 (RH3) is in this category.

The most obviously noticeable difference is what happens when you repeat a note without having the sustain pedal down. On a 2-sensor board (unlike on a 3-sensor board), there's no way to do that without the note being silenced first. I wonder if the PX-S has somehow replicated that third sensor behavior without a third sensor?





Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by sullivang
ahumdrumoflife: according to Mike Martin (earlier in this thread), the new action is no longer tri-sensor.

So with this change, the Roland FP-30 remains as the only board with triple-sensor action in that price class?
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 12:07 PM

FWIW, there's an example of repeated notes on the S-1000 at 2:30 of this video:

https://youtu.be/u_l12U8x26Q?t=150
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
so far, playing very fast repeated notes seems to work flawlessly (better than some 3-sensor actions I've played).

The third sensor isn't really about repeating keys quickly as much as repeating them softly. Fast as it is, the Billy Joel style of the intro to Angry Young Man does not benefit from a 3rd sensor at all, because the key raises above the top sensor between each strike regardless. It's when you want to repeat at lesser velocities (and so dont want the repeating keystrikes to initiate from so high) that you notice the difference (in repetitions and trills).

Some 2-sensor boards do repeat from as low in their travel as some 3-sensor boards... it's because their top sensor is relatively low. Korg SV1 (RH3) is in this category.

The most obviously noticeable difference is what happens when you repeat a note without having the sustain pedal down. On a 2-sensor board (unlike on a 3-sensor board), there's no way to do that without the note being silenced first. I wonder if the PX-S has somehow replicated that third sensor behavior without a third sensor?

The sensors used in most DPs are simple on/off switches (exceptions are hybrids like the Yamaha AG and Kawai NV - the Casio GP "hybrid" uses conventional on/off switches). Velocities are calculated based on when each sensor was triggered by the key/action mechanism. If Casio is using similar on/off switches then there is no way to use two sensors to replace the functionality of the third sensor when it comes to detect repetitions without fully releasing the key. However, if Casio is now using a different sensor technology (such as continuous detection sensors) then the discussion about the number of sensors is not applicable anymore... moreover, since Casio uses the same action across most of their DP range, such a change may actually end up being cheaper to produce... one way to try to test this is to hook a new Casio DP to a MIDI monitor and check the events generated by the keyboard.
Posted By: oscar1

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus

The sensors used in most DPs are simple on/off switches (exceptions are hybrids like the Yamaha AG and Kawai NV - the Casio GP "hybrid" uses conventional on/off switches). Velocities are calculated based on when each sensor was triggered by the key/action mechanism. If Casio is using similar on/off switches then there is no way to use two sensors to replace the functionality of the third sensor when it comes to detect repetitions without fully releasing the key. However, if Casio is now using a different sensor technology (such as continuous detection sensors) then the discussion about the number of sensors is not applicable anymore... moreover, since Casio uses the same action across most of their DP range, such a change may actually end up being cheaper to produce... one way to try to test this is to hook a new Casio DP to a MIDI monitor and check the events generated by the keyboard.


That would definitely not be the case here. This is after all the Privia lowest model now, not some Rolls-Royce equivalent and so it is build as such. If they don't use 3 switches but two then probably they found out it is good enough for this lowest end privia and it saves on having additional 88 switches.The CDP series has 2 switches only so I guess they improved on the algorithm and call it mission accomplished. I still don't know why people insist on comparing this to some high end keyboards with wooden keys such as VPC1. It is like constantly asking what is the difference between Toyota Echo and Lexus. Those are two different classes of cars and pianos.

Really the correct comparison here would be to the older PX-160, Yamaha P45 and such. I think in PX- S1000 is a winner between those low end pianos, mostly on the size alone and still in ballpark similar action. If I was looking for something like PX-160 I would grab the S1000. But that's it. It is not FP90, not P515, not GP500 not VPC1...
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/01/19 11:50 PM

I tried to play a little bit of Liszt's La Campanella. It still quite playable on the px-s1000 even I was at a standing position cause they had the demo on the 2nd rack above a p125.
Posted By: gary93

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/02/19 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by oscar1

Really the correct comparison here would be to the older PX-160, Yamaha P45 and such. I think in PX- S1000 is a winner between those low end pianos, mostly on the size alone and still in ballpark similar action. If I was looking for something like PX-160 I would grab the S1000. But that's it. It is not FP90, not P515, not GP500 not VPC1...

I agree that we shouldn't be compare it to the P515, VPC1, FP90 since they are 2 if not 3 times the price of the px-s1000. IMO I think the px-s1000 is more comparable to the p125, fp30, es110. They are around the same price range more or less.
Posted By: ahumdrumoflife

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/02/19 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by oscar1
[quote=arc7urus]

Really the correct comparison here would be to the older PX-160, Yamaha P45 and such. I think in PX- S1000 is a winner between those low end pianos, mostly on the size alone and still in ballpark similar action. If I was looking for something like PX-160 I would grab the S1000. But that's it. It is not FP90, not P515, not GP500 not VPC1...


The S1000 sells for £575 here, I wouldn't say it was much better than my Casio CDP130 which cost £330 when it was brand new.

It is an interesting price point for Casio, because it makes it more expensive than the P125 and ES110.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/02/19 09:00 AM

Of course, based on history, you should not compare the below 700 euro DPs with FP90, MP11 or VPC1, but the marketing and excitement around the "brand new Hammer action" of Casio was brought as a new great action for a lower price-point, so a breakthrough in price/quality ratio. Hence the comparison with the more expensive models. Of course, marketing is marketing, so I was waiting for real reviews.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/02/19 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by oscar1
Originally Posted by arc7urus

The sensors used in most DPs are simple on/off switches (exceptions are hybrids like the Yamaha AG and Kawai NV - the Casio GP "hybrid" uses conventional on/off switches). Velocities are calculated based on when each sensor was triggered by the key/action mechanism. If Casio is using similar on/off switches then there is no way to use two sensors to replace the functionality of the third sensor when it comes to detect repetitions without fully releasing the key. However, if Casio is now using a different sensor technology (such as continuous detection sensors) then the discussion about the number of sensors is not applicable anymore... moreover, since Casio uses the same action across most of their DP range, such a change may actually end up being cheaper to produce... one way to try to test this is to hook a new Casio DP to a MIDI monitor and check the events generated by the keyboard.


That would definitely not be the case here. This is after all the Privia lowest model now, not some Rolls-Royce equivalent and so it is build as such. If they don't use 3 switches but two then probably they found out it is good enough for this lowest end privia and it saves on having additional 88 switches.The CDP series has 2 switches only so I guess they improved on the algorithm and call it mission accomplished. I still don't know why people insist on comparing this to some high end keyboards with wooden keys such as VPC1. It is like constantly asking what is the difference between Toyota Echo and Lexus. Those are two different classes of cars and pianos.

Really the correct comparison here would be to the older PX-160, Yamaha P45 and such. I think in PX- S1000 is a winner between those low end pianos, mostly on the size alone and still in ballpark similar action. If I was looking for something like PX-160 I would grab the S1000. But that's it. It is not FP90, not P515, not GP500 not VPC1...

I understand your point. But Casio used the same "scaled hammer action II" on *all* of their Privia/PX DPs, ranging from the entry level up to the "pro" models, as well as on all the Privia console pianos. Unless Casio changes their approach, this action is not going to be used only on the lower end models.
Posted By: Iaroslav Vasiliev

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/02/19 06:34 PM

I just have listened to PX-S1000 on PianoManChuck's YouTube channel. A miserable impression.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/02/19 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I just have listened to PX-S1000 on PianoManChuck's YouTube channel. A miserable impression.

Even considering its price? After all, it is an entry-level keyboard.
Posted By: AnthonyPaulO

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/02/19 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I just have listened to PX-S1000 on PianoManChuck's YouTube channel. A miserable impression.


+1 to Piano Man Chuck! He has great reviews on the slabs.
Posted By: Iaroslav Vasiliev

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/02/19 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I just have listened to PX-S1000 on PianoManChuck's YouTube channel. A miserable impression.

Even considering its price? After all, it is an entry-level keyboard.

Yes, quite an ordinary entry-level keyboard. Nothing special to talk about IMHO.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/02/19 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I just have listened to PX-S1000 on PianoManChuck's YouTube channel. A miserable impression.

Even considering its price? After all, it is an entry-level keyboard.

Yes, quite an ordinary entry-level keyboard. Nothing special to talk about IMHO.

Ah. I see. You were just pointing out it's ordinariness. LOL. Your comment made me think you were saying it was especially bad. I didn't think it was especially bad either. Quite reasonable for its price point.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 02:51 AM

This must have been (and still growing) the longest thread for just an entry level piano. Congratulations to Casio for the marketing.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I just have listened to PX-S1000 on PianoManChuck's YouTube channel. A miserable impression.

Even considering its price? After all, it is an entry-level keyboard.

Yes, quite an ordinary entry-level keyboard. Nothing special to talk about IMHO.

Just did a quick check at Thomann:

1. highest price of the entry-level bunch
2. worst sound (IMHO)
3. worst action (downgraded to two sensors?)
4. worst sustain switch

The Kawai ES110 is still the best deal overall in this segment. Best piano sound, better action, optical damper pedal bundled, native MIDI + Bluetooth MIDI, 60 € cheaper than Casio.
Posted By: Iaroslav Vasiliev

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
Congratulations to Casio for the marketing.

+1
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by FlexHank
Congratulations to Casio for the marketing.

+1

Casio has already demonstrated this ability when marketing the "hybrid" Celviano GP digital pianos...
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Just did a quick check at Thomann:

1. highest price of the entry-level bunch
2. worst sound (IMHO)
3. worst action (downgraded to two sensors?)
4. worst sustain switch

The Kawai ES110 is still the best deal overall in this segment....60 € cheaper than Casio.

Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

As for worst action, it's subjective, but I think its Kawai/Korg/Yamaha competitors are all 2-sensor as well. And it's not impossible that their new action can be better than their older one, even if they went from 3 to 2 sensors. (There are numerous 2 sensor boards I'd rather play than some 3 sensor boards!)
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Kawai's pricing in the US is generally higher. How does it fare against P-45, FP-10/30 and the likes?

Quote
As for worst action, it's subjective, but I think its Kawai/Korg/Yamaha competitors are all 2-sensor as well.

Sadly, there is only Roland left with the third sensor in that segment.
Posted By: 36251

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 03:32 PM

My criteria is which DP from this segment has best serviceable acoustic piano and Rhodes sound. For me it's the Casio.
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.

Casio supports half-pedal function?
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.

Casio supports half-pedal function?

With the SP-34 pedal.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.

Casio supports half-pedal function?


Are there any DPs that don't? Sadly, not all DPs come with a pedal capable of continuous sensing, but that's another issue.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.

Casio supports half-pedal function?

With the SP-34 pedal.

So that adds back the $100 to the ES110.
Posted By: 36251

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
The Kawai ES110 is still the best deal overall in this segment. Best piano sound, better action, optical damper pedal bundled, native MIDI + Bluetooth MIDI, 60 € cheaper than Casio.


I think the Casio wins in this video contest. Listen to the first 30 seconds of each.



Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 04:57 PM

The PX-S3000 is 320 € more expensive than the ES110. Price-wise it competes with Yamaha Arius.
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
The PX-S3000 is 320 € more expensive than the ES110. Price-wise it competes with Yamaha Arius.
If someone's in the market for an ES110, the PX-S1000 is the model they should be comparing it to, feature wise and price wise.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by 36251
Originally Posted by JoeT
The Kawai ES110 is still the best deal overall in this segment. Best piano sound, better action, optical damper pedal bundled, native MIDI + Bluetooth MIDI, 60 € cheaper than Casio.


I think the Casio wins in this video contest. Listen to the first 30 seconds of each.





Could be the Kraft recording but yeah it's not even close. wink
Posted By: DoogansDad

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/03/19 06:12 PM

I've (pre) ordered the Casio PX-S3000. I'm getting back into the piano from 45 years ago as a child that took lessons on a Knabe Grand in our home.
I've had a couple other electronic keyboards with plastic and springy keys (AKAI and Technics), but I want to go back to learning, and I want to do it correctly. After testing a few other keyboards at a local Guitar Center, I was most impressed with the Ebony/Ivory textured keys (and action) of the other Casio models that were on display.

At $599 and $799 (US) the price points of the Casio PX-S1000/3000, I expect they are targeting precisely my market... Entry level player looking for a life-like action and enough on-board sounds to keep me entertained, without having to take a class on programming the thing. I also look forward to USB-MIDI directly to my computer instead of having to go through my Audio Interface.

I opted to wait for the 3000 for the Mod Wheel, assignable dials, and extra on-board instruments. I'm also extremely pleased that the whole shebang can be powered by 6 AA Batteries... that's great. I expect to run the audio output into my own studio monitors, so the built-in speakers are only a small concern in my choice.

I am anxious for the 3000 to begin shipping, but based on the demonstrations I have seen on YouTube, and the reviews from the early adopters of the PX-S1000, and the $799 price... it was enough for me to make the decision to pre-order without having touched one. Let's face it... this is not a multi-thousand dollar decision.

About the only thing I'm not looking forward to... is keeping the fingerprints off the high gloss surface.

Just my $.02.

Jim
Posted By: dcam

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/04/19 03:58 AM

If anyone is struggling with driving vsts with the ps-x1000, running a midi compressor onto the input in your daw to translate the output has restored a lot of dynamic balance for me. I've been struggling to output any message with velocity above 120, but by setting the privia to medium or hard sensitivity and then only accepting velocities of 1-105 and scaling that up to 1-127 has made software vsts more playable. The privia is clearly tuned to the air engine and struggles out of the box transmitting full velocity in my experience so far.

If anyone has other suggestions for improving the dynamic range of the midi output I'd love to hear it!
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/04/19 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by DoogansDad
I've (pre) ordered the Casio PX-S3000. I'm getting back into the piano from 45 years ago as a child that took lessons on a Knabe Grand in our home.
I've had a couple other electronic keyboards with plastic and springy keys (AKAI and Technics), but I want to go back to learning, and I want to do it correctly. After testing a few other keyboards at a local Guitar Center, I was most impressed with the Ebony/Ivory textured keys (and action) of the other Casio models that were on display.

At $599 and $799 (US) the price points of the Casio PX-S1000/3000, I expect they are targeting precisely my market... Entry level player looking for a life-like action and enough on-board sounds to keep me entertained, without having to take a class on programming the thing. I also look forward to USB-MIDI directly to my computer instead of having to go through my Audio Interface.

I opted to wait for the 3000 for the Mod Wheel, assignable dials, and extra on-board instruments. I'm also extremely pleased that the whole shebang can be powered by 6 AA Batteries... that's great. I expect to run the audio output into my own studio monitors, so the built-in speakers are only a small concern in my choice.

I am anxious for the 3000 to begin shipping, but based on the demonstrations I have seen on YouTube, and the reviews from the early adopters of the PX-S1000, and the $799 price... it was enough for me to make the decision to pre-order without having touched one. Let's face it... this is not a multi-thousand dollar decision.

About the only thing I'm not looking forward to... is keeping the fingerprints off the high gloss surface.

Just my $.02.

Jim


Nice to see a complete opposite approach in choosing a new digital piano than I am doing. I am in the same situation as you of going back towards piano playing after many years, but I am trying to test intensively what feels best of all the major brands. You mentioned that you liked the previous models, I suppose you mean the PX (Privia) models, like PX-160,etc..using this 3-sensor v2 mechanism. Everyone has their own preferences, but I thought it was mediocre, more synth like than true piano feel. I hope your gamble of buying without trying will work out, and if you have enough cash lying around, indeed, an easy decision :-)
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/04/19 06:21 PM

See Casio Px-s1000 review : https://youtu.be/xfw3eS2P85s

He is honest about the action being close to previous Px-160. Of course, the sound is improved and as well some functions, but the "new" keybed action is quite close to previous models.

See video comments in which he acknowledgs this
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/04/19 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
See Casio Px-s1000 review : https://youtu.be/xfw3eS2P85s

Why should I waste 15 minutes of my life on a entry level keyboard review, I'm never going to purchase?
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/04/19 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by FlexHank
See Casio Px-s1000 review : https://youtu.be/xfw3eS2P85s

Why should I waste 15 minutes of my life on a entry level keyboard review, I'm never going to purchase?


Nobody's making you do that....but aren't you on the PX-S1000/PX-S3000 thread? smile
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/04/19 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Nobody's making you do that....but aren't you on the PX-S1000/PX-S3000 thread? smile

Of course, but wouldn't be a quick summary in text form nice, so the review can actually be discussed in a forum?
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/04/19 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Nobody's making you do that....but aren't you on the PX-S1000/PX-S3000 thread? smile

Of course, but wouldn't be a quick summary in text form nice, so the review can actually be discussed in a forum?


Which I did, at least what I took from it, please read my text, but if you don't want to buy entry-level, you should not follow this.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/04/19 11:43 PM

I'm sticking with my PX-360
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/05/19 10:37 PM

Cancel that last post... THIS:
Go to 14:10 minutes for the High Res for the internal demo. If this is so, why is the first I have learned of it Casio? I don't think PX-360 or 560 already has it. Chuck turns it on and suddenly he can play much softer than before.

Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/05/19 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by rintincop
High Resolution MIDI Velocity and Release velocity: 16,384 levels.

It's only 16256 levels. wink
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/05/19 10:39 PM

16,256 is a lot of velocity levels. How capable is the new software sensor/filters/sound engine of managing the response capability?
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/05/19 10:54 PM

With all respect I believe Chuck may have misunderstood this - to my understanding the internal velocity resolution should not be affected by the midi protocol used when communicating with external devices.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/05/19 11:18 PM

Why not? He demonstrates the difference.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/05/19 11:37 PM

Here's a quote from Mike Martin (of Casio) on another forum(musicplayer) regarding this:

As was correctly stated the high resolution MIDI on/off switch as found on all Casio products has no effect on the internal sound. Only what is transmitted via the MIDI output.

If Chuck was changing the velocity curve the video this is one area that is different than previous models. There are 5 total curves - I believe previous models only had 3. So switching to a harder curve would give the player substantially more control over playing softly.
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/05/19 11:46 PM

In the video it sounded like you said that you believed that enabling high resolution midi would somehow give you more control over the actual sound and dynamics which shouldn’t be the case.
If I misunderstood you I’m sorry but it seems that other people did as well.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 01:13 AM

At 14:10 Piano Man Chuck says
Quote:
"Now one of the most interesting things I've found is High Resolution Midi; now you've heard me play this (plays a passage) I'm playing as soft as I can, now I'm gonna turn on High Resolution Midi.. hold the Function Button down and this key (plays same passage but it now ranges from much softer to loud) Now let me explain in regular MIDI every key is controlled with, when you press a key there's 128 different parameters to indicate where that key is. When you activate High Resolution Midi all of sudden that jumps to 16,384... so imagine the accuracy, that's why I'm able to play so much softer and everything in between. And at first I thought 128 is more than ample, 16,384, that's ridiculous. Well guess what it's not. It really works! It really works! And I'm so impressed with that."

Posted By: ahumdrumoflife

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by FlexHank
Congratulations to Casio for the marketing.

+1

Casio has already demonstrated this ability when marketing the "hybrid" Celviano GP digital pianos...



The GP series made a lot of noise, but not a lot of buyers? They are heavily discounted here in the UK. I think the problem is that Casio isn't seen as a premium piano. They should stick to what they know best, entry level and mid range.

I didn't think much of the action on the S1000, and I own a CDP 130. Maybe there are benefits more a longer play like more sensitivity etc, but just going on how it feels I wasn't a fan.

It might will be a good entry level piano, but I think the fact that it is the smallest slab isn't going to so anyone favours as there is only so much benefit to having a smaller slab. Most people with slabs buy them and keep them in one place, and very rarely move/travel with them. Like with phones and laptops, going too small just means losing out on speaker size and other functions.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
In the video it sounded like you said that you believed that enabling high resolution midi would somehow give you more control over the actual sound and dynamics which shouldn’t be the case.
If I misunderstood you I’m sorry but it seems that other people did as well.

I highly recommend that you actually try it and see for yourself. Nothing can be more convincing than seeing it with your own eyes (or playing it with your own fingers in this case).
Posted By: jeffscot

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
In the video it sounded like you said that you believed that enabling high resolution midi would somehow give you more control over the actual sound and dynamics which shouldn’t be the case.
If I misunderstood you I’m sorry but it seems that other people did as well.

I highly recommend that you actually try it and see for yourself. Nothing can be more convincing than seeing it with your own eyes (or playing it with your own fingers in this case).

Lose credibility when you don’t admit to your mistakes, Chuck.
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
In the video it sounded like you said that you believed that enabling high resolution midi would somehow give you more control over the actual sound and dynamics which shouldn’t be the case.
If I misunderstood you I’m sorry but it seems that other people did as well.

I highly recommend that you actually try it and see for yourself. Nothing can be more convincing than seeing it with your own eyes (or playing it with your own fingers in this case).

Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
In the video it sounded like you said that you believed that enabling high resolution midi would somehow give you more control over the actual sound and dynamics which shouldn’t be the case.
If I misunderstood you I’m sorry but it seems that other people did as well.

I highly recommend that you actually try it and see for yourself. Nothing can be more convincing than seeing it with your own eyes (or playing it with your own fingers in this case).


Mike from Casio explicitly said that there is no correlation between midi velocity and internal sounds. Whether you are hearing / feeling what you expected or if you have discovered a weird bug in your unit it remains true that the midi resolution should not have any influence on the internal sound engine. I’m not trying to stir [censored] up - but I find it less than ideal if the idea spreads that this instrument has some off-by-default “much better response mode” which by all accounts it does not.
This is not aimed at you Chuck - you seem to me like a genuinely nice and sweet person and I have enjoyed many of your videos.

Cheers
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 10:23 AM

It is a bit the problem of the "reviews" on YouTube, in fact most reviews are just at best demo's but often pure marketing material (to stimulate buying). You hear often "this keyboard feels really great", but what does this mean? Great compared to what? And when you ask, you get answers like "I never compare to other brands" or "everyone has a different preference, so try yourself". All fine, but then they should not call it a review, just a demo of the capabilities.

I hope more people will report back unbiased feedback on how it really feels to play on these keyboards, especially compared to other keyboards, and explain why. Sure, it is always an opinion of someone, but then at least you get a real review.
Posted By: Cheshire Chris

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson

Mike from Casio explicitly said that there is no correlation between midi velocity and internal sounds.


That's true of all digital pianos, to the best of my knowledge. When you press a key on the keyboard, the sound that comes out of the speakers is generated by the internal sound engine of the piano. It generates MIDI events, but it's not actually using those events internally.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
It is a bit the problem of the "reviews" on YouTube, in fact most reviews are just at best demo's but often pure marketing material (to stimulate buying).

Of course, they are made by people who sell these things, not by people who buy them. Most of those people do not actually sell or maintain real instruments (as in real acoustic pianos) and that of course skews the picture.

Also it's completely understandable why many pianists have a bad impression about digital pianos, when all they get to hear is Casio getting praised like nothing else.

We should keep acoustic and digital pianos up to the same standard.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
That's true of all digital pianos, to the best of my knowledge. When you press a key on the keyboard, the sound that comes out of the speakers is generated by the internal sound engine of the piano. It generates MIDI events, but it's not actually using those events internally.

I think this is something that can vary. Yamaha Motif/Montage series boards appear to use MIDI to communicate between their keys and their sound generators. This is why the front panel Transpose or Octave Shift functions will re-locate split points to different physical locations. It is performing the transposition/octave shift by manipulating which MIDI Note On/Off events are being sent from the keys to the sound engine. So when the board is transposed down a semitone, a split point at an E will move to an F key (now playing the E pitch), because what's happening is not any kind of manipulation of pitch settings, but rather the F key is now generating the MIDI events of what would normally be an E. (There are ways to prevent this split relocation from happening, but that doesn't negate the fact that the front panel function transpose function shifts what notes the internal engine sounds by manipulating the MIDI stream.)
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 04:19 PM

Is it just the Yamaha Montage and Motif series? Or is it more common?
Posted By: ahumdrumoflife

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 05:57 PM

I've just had another go in the shop today.

I have to keep reminding myself it is an entry level DP. It seems to be on par with the other low end actions.I actually prefer my CDP 130 action, but maybe that is familiarity. It has that undeniable feeling you get when you play a budget DP.

Saying that, I am not a big fan of the FP30 either, but the FP90 is darn nice and I feel like a DP with a PHA 50 action will be my first upgrade.

I had hoped the S100 may've been a budget upgrade for me, but it is 100% not worth it as an upgrade.

I honestly think a lot of people here will be disappointed once they actually get their hands on it, and I am Casio fan.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by ahumdrumoflife
I've just had another go in the shop today.

I have to keep reminding myself it is an entry level DP. It seems to be on par with the other low end actions.I actually prefer my CDP 130 action, but maybe that is familiarity. It has that undeniable feeling you get when you play a budget DP.

Saying that, I am not a big fan of the FP30 either, but the FP90 is darn nice and I feel like a DP with a PHA 50 action will be my first upgrade.

I had hoped the S100 may've been a budget upgrade for me, but it is 100% not worth it as an upgrade.

I honestly think a lot of people here will be disappointed once they actually get their hands on it, and I am Casio fan.


Thanks for your feedback, this is appreciated. I am not going to wait for this "brand new action" of Casio anymore. By the way, I also like the PHA50 action, just a shame Roland is asking a lot for it.
Posted By: ahumdrumoflife

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/06/19 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
Originally Posted by ahumdrumoflife
I've just had another go in the shop today.

I have to keep reminding myself it is an entry level DP. It seems to be on par with the other low end actions.I actually prefer my CDP 130 action, but maybe that is familiarity. It has that undeniable feeling you get when you play a budget DP.

Saying that, I am not a big fan of the FP30 either, but the FP90 is darn nice and I feel like a DP with a PHA 50 action will be my first upgrade.

I had hoped the S100 may've been a budget upgrade for me, but it is 100% not worth it as an upgrade.

I honestly think a lot of people here will be disappointed once they actually get their hands on it, and I am Casio fan.


Thanks for your feedback, this is appreciated. I am not going to wait for this "brand new action" of Casio anymore. By the way, I also like the PHA50 action, just a shame Roland is asking a lot for it.


I'm afraid I have made a huge gaff. I have been laying the s100 this whole time, not the s1000. How embarrassing!

I need to get my previous posts deleted as they obviously do not reflect the s1000
Posted By: Ojustaboo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by JoeT


Also it's completely understandable why many pianists have a bad impression about digital pianos, when all they get to hear is Casio getting praised like nothing else.

We should keep acoustic and digital pianos up to the same standard.


While in the past Casio were seen as a bit of a joke in the piano world, I don’t think that’s true today. I think when many people hear Casio mentioned, they instantly think of how they used to be and presume the current ones are just as bad.

The cheapest upright acoustic at my local store is £3,200. The most expensive upright acoustic is £35,000.

The cheapest grand at the store is £3,800, the most expensive is £137,000.

While digital pianos do continue to improve, even if the tech advanced enough to make it technically possible, I can’t see say Kawai releasing a £3,000 DP that’s exactly the same feel and sound as one of their £18,000 Grands.

I bought my Casio PX-870 from the same store, new, for £725. I bought it to replace my Kawai MP7 and I much prefer the action.

I also used to own the Kawai MP 10 prior to that and while initially I loved the MP10 action, I ended up thinking it felt a little spongey (hope that makes sense).

Yes if you look at all the features, for vst/midi/daw use, without a doubt, out of the 3 of them, the mp7 was most suited. But when I started to learn the piano properly, for ME, it didn’t feel as good/easy to play as the PX-870.

Sure, some things are much better on the kawai’s. Their triple sensor is better (from Pianomanchucks vid comparison), but it’s not something I need to worry about for a few years.

Likewise I don’t like the interface on the Casio, having to press function and then a key to do whatever is a pain. But I have my iPad connected with Casio app and then it becomes easy to set metronome etc.

I don’t expect my £725 piano to be the same standard as a £2000 digital, yet alone a £137,000 grand. But it currently suits me perfectly. If I think back decades to when I had lessons as a child, it was on an old upright in a church. While impossible to prove, I’m sure if most people could go back in time and try the acoustic I learnt on, they would say my Casio is far superior.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 12:26 AM

For me it will probably depend on which action is more accommodating. And that I wont know until they are side by side in my room. Late April?

Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 12:45 AM


Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Ojustaboo
While in the past Casio were seen as a bit of a joke in the piano world, I don’t think that’s true today. I think when many people hear Casio mentioned, they instantly think of how they used to be and presume the current ones are just as bad.

Do people really think that? Or is it more that they never knew Casio made pianos to begin with, and were thinking of their little toy-ish keyboards? Because considering the market at the time, I think even the oldest Privias were surprisingly good. In fact, I still like the PX-310 and some other early models better than a lot of more recent budget DPs.
Posted By: 8lackpearl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 07:24 AM

Hi guys!

I recently bought the Casio PX S1000. After a couple of days playing on it, I can say that I’m mostly happy with my decision to go for the PX S1000. Dynamic range is really good and the hammer action feels great.

However, I’m quite disappointed by the sound. To be honest, I was not expecting much from onboard speakers as they have to fit into such a small form factor. What really gives me a headache though is the sound quality I get with my headphones. The sound is muffled and not very loud. Even if I set the volume to max, it is far from being unhealthily loud. As soon as use a cheap 20$ portable headphone amplifier from amazon, the sound quality is much much better. Very clear and loud.

I’m using the Beyer Dynamic Custom One Pro headphones (https://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/custom-one-pro-plus.html) which only have an impedance of 16 Ohm. So I guess they should be able to get pretty loud. At least when using them with my smartphone or laptop, I can’t whish for more.

What is your experience playing with headphones? Do you have any suggestions for new phones? Is there any possibility I haven’t found yet to directly change the loudness at the DP?

I’m really thinking about sending the DP back because of that.

Cheers
Posted By: Cheshire Chris

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 07:37 AM

Given the fact that you have a solution to the problem (the portable amplifier), what would be the reason to return it?
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by 8lackpearl
Hi guys!

I recently bought the Casio PX S1000. After a couple of days playing on it, I can say that I’m mostly happy with my decision to go for the PX S1000. Dynamic range is really good and the hammer action feels great.



Out of curiosity, have you compared the Hammer action with other (entry level or mid range) keyboards, and how would you rate this Hammer action compared to those? Or where other functions (like portability) more important?
Posted By: 8lackpearl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 08:29 AM

@ Chris: Well, true. smile That’s why I might not do it.
I’m just saying that for an instrument specifically made for producing nice sound, I was expecting much more. Moreover, a proper amp really doesn’t cost much. Casio should have included that, IMHO, and I don’t want to think about charging the amp every time I want to play.

I was mainly asking here because I’m interested if others have the same problem and found a simple/different solution.

@FlexHank: I can compare it to the Kawai ES110, the Roland FP30 and the Yamaha P45. As far as I can remember, the P45 was too stiff for me. Kawai’s hammer action was more bouncy which was not my thing either but I understand that some people might love it. Comparing the FP30 and the S1000 is difficult because I like them both. Please keep in mind though that I’m still quite new to piano playing and only played on a couple of DPs and acoustic pianos.

I also went for the S1000 because of the great dynamic range, the Cordana play app that I can use with an android system and the design (shame on me). Portability was not really important but nice to have.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by 8lackpearl


@FlexHank: I can compare it to the Kawai ES110, the Roland FP30 and the Yamaha P45. As far as I can remember, the P45 was too stiff for me. Kawai’s hammer action was more bouncy which was not my thing either but I understand that some people might love it. Comparing the FP30 and the S1000 is difficult because I like them both. Please keep in mind though that I’m still quite new to piano playing and only played on a couple of DPs and acoustic pianos.

I also went for the S1000 because of the great dynamic range, the Cordana play app that I can use with an android system and the design (shame on me). Portability was not really important but nice to have.


Appreciated! Good to see more feedback on how people rate these piano's. I am in the same situation as you, and I had the same observation on ES110 (bouncy keys / cheap feel). I almost bought the Roland fp30 2 months ago but then I walked into pianoworld, and GAS starting to sneak into my decision making. Well done for you to stay strong and not consider to spend more :-)
Posted By: pianosx

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 09:14 AM

I just bought a PX-S1000, online and blind, as there is none in my area (on it's way), I already have a CASIO PX-160 to compare with.
I watched PianoManChucks' video about the CASIO action comparison (PX-560 uses same action as PX-160), and look forward to make my own conclusion and sharing my experience.
My purchase is mostly due to the improved dimensions, and battery powered functionality to play anywhere.
@8lackpearl, I recommend getting some decent open-back headphones for digital piano playing, they make a lot of difference.
For example, I currently use Sennheisier 598SE (598SR is current model) and Sennheiser 58X, and can confirm they are both excellent headphones for digital piano playing.
The 598SE (598SR) is lighter, more comfortable, and should cost less even if not on sale, and are an Amazon exclusive I believe (as long as the 598SR is built similarly to the 598SE, which is also just a black version of the original 598).
I find closed-back headphones don't sound as well, even if they sound decent, like with my Sennheiser HD280PRO (previous generation, studio/monitor quality) but if you need minimal sound leakage, then you'll have to make do.
I had high hopes for the Sennheiser 598C's, but alas, they were just terrible.
Posted By: ap215

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by 8lackpearl
Even if I set the volume to max, it is far from being unhealthily loud. As soon as use a cheap 20$ portable headphone amplifier from amazon, the sound quality is much much better. Very clear and loud.

I’m using the Beyer Dynamic Custom One Pro headphones (https://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/custom-one-pro-plus.html) which only have an impedance of 16 Ohm. So I guess they should be able to get pretty loud. At least when using them with my smartphone or laptop, I can’t whish for more.

What is your experience playing with headphones? Do you have any suggestions for new phones? Is there any possibility I haven’t found yet to directly change the loudness at the DP?


With my Philips Fidelio X2 headphones (open back, 30 Ohm impedance) plugged directly into my PX-S1000, I find that when setting the volume knob at 50% (right in the middle, pointing up 12 o'clock) gives me just the right volume. Anything more would be too loud for me.

Using headphones do provide a better sound quality over the unit's built-in speakers, however I don't usually play with headphones because I find them uncomfortable.
Posted By: ap215

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by 8lackpearl
I’m using the Beyer Dynamic Custom One Pro headphones (https://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/custom-one-pro-plus.html)


Just saw the headphones specs and it looks like they come with those 4-pole jacks with mic and in-line controls. I don't think this will work correctly when plugged in all the way into the piano as it only has a "normal" 3-pole jack. You can try pulling it out a couple mm so the poles "line up" correctly.
Posted By: butchkoch

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 12:55 PM

I bought the S1000 based on its 24.5 lb portability, battery operation, and positive reviews of those at NAMM. I bought PX-160's for 2 family members in the past and have played on them numerous times. The 1000 is definitively an improvement in sound and key bed feel. Its a great value for $600 and capable of very subtle nuance. Does it compare to my $2000+ keyboards, um no, but they can't do what this can either, like be carried under 1 arm and not need an AC outlet.
Posted By: 8lackpearl

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by ap215
Originally Posted by 8lackpearl
I’m using the Beyer Dynamic Custom One Pro headphones (https://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/custom-one-pro-plus.html)


Just saw the headphones specs and it looks like they come with those 4-pole jacks with mic and in-line controls. I don't think this will work correctly when plugged in all the way into the piano as it only has a "normal" 3-pole jack. You can try pulling it out a couple mm so the poles "line up" correctly.


That must be the solution! I totally forgot about that. I'll ckeck it as soon as I'm back home (currently on a work trip).
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 07:18 PM

I own a Privia PX-360. When my PX-S3000 arrives in a couple weeks the first thing I will do is set them up side by side. Then I will play scales as fast I possibly can up and down the full range of both models. That should give me a some conclusion about which action I prefer. I will be noticing which takes more effort, which is less fatiguing, and so on. The action will determine which model I will keep.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by rintincop
I own a Privia PX-360. When my PX-S3000 arrives in a couple weeks the first thing I will do is set them up side by side. Then I will play scales as fast I possibly can up and down the full range of both models. That should give me a some conclusion about which action I prefer. I will be noticing which takes more effort, which is less fatiguing, and so on. The action will determine which model I will keep.

Very much looking forward to hearing what you think!
Posted By: Ojustaboo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/07/19 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Ojustaboo
While in the past Casio were seen as a bit of a joke in the piano world, I don’t think that’s true today. I think when many people hear Casio mentioned, they instantly think of how they used to be and presume the current ones are just as bad.

Do people really think that? Or is it more that they never knew Casio made pianos to begin with, and were thinking of their little toy-ish keyboards?


Sorry, not making myself clear as usual. I meant exactly what you say, when people hear Casio mentioned, they think of the little toy-ish keyboards and instantly presume any piano made by them, can’t really be made to compete with the Yamaha, Kawai, Roland etc DP.

I also think a little snobbery on the same sort of lines arises, where some people feel that if they admit to liking a Casio, they might in some way be looked down on by others.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/08/19 05:23 PM

Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/08/19 06:01 PM

Doesn’t sound very interesting. There’s something tin-like in the piano sound. Other sounds are also a bit underwhelming. I believe the S1000 is the one that would be worth it as ultra portable piano and as a controller. The S3000 isn’t so cheap to be worth it though. At least for a main stage piano.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/08/19 06:22 PM

I think it sounds very good. Especially the mids and lows have an organic woody quality to the sound. The sustain of a note after the initial attack is quite good. And it's the actions new dynamic control software that makes it so sensitive to touch. Only the Yamaha CP4 has had such sensitive dynamics in a stage piano. The Nords are the worst in that aspect.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/08/19 06:29 PM

What’s this dynamic control software? Have you got your Casio already? I think some people complained about the short pivot point? Do you find that a problem? As to sustain and wood, well I think it sounds exactly the opposite to me: metallic and thin, especially in the sustain. But it’s a matter of taste I guess.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/08/19 06:30 PM

Try listening in Sony MDR-7506 headphones. Short pivot, not a problem.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/08/19 06:35 PM

You mean there’s no short pivot, Casio solved it mechanically? Or you don’t find short pivot a problem?
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/08/19 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
You mean there’s no short pivot, Casio solved it mechanically? Or you don’t find short pivot a problem?

Depending on your hand geometry, shorter usable keys are not a problem.
Posted By: havingfun

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/09/19 03:20 AM

PianoManChuck: You have recently reviewed two entry-level pianos at nearly the same price point: the Casio PX-S1000 and the Korg D1. You seemed to like the keyboards in both. In your view, which keyboard do you prefer and why?
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/09/19 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by CyberGene
You mean there’s no short pivot, Casio solved it mechanically? Or you don’t find short pivot a problem?

Depending on your hand geometry, shorter usable keys are not a problem.


Yep, I think that too. Also, being used to acoustic piano keys I've had a tendency to 'roam' a bit backwards and forwards, with a habit of 'moving forward for more delicate passages.' With my current rather basic DP that isn't really practical because of the heavier weight towards the 'fall-board' so I've had to stop that - not sure if that's a good or a bad thing technique-wise, tbh, but in the long run I'd much prefer to get something which behaves more like the acoustic and gives that freedom.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/09/19 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by petebfrance
Also, being used to acoustic piano keys I've had a tendency to 'roam' a bit backwards and forwards, with a habit of 'moving forward for more delicate passages.' With my current rather basic DP that isn't really practical because of the heavier weight towards the 'fall-board' so I've had to stop that - not sure if that's a good or a bad thing technique-wise, tbh, but in the long run I'd much prefer to get something which behaves more like the acoustic and gives that freedom.

The piano doesn't need to be acoustic to have full length (15 cm) usable keys. Some digitals have keys, that are only full length visually, which could be called fakery.

To get a more realistic picture of these digitals, you have to move the "fallboard" further to the front (covering the unusable area like it does on a real piano) and realize what tiny mini-keys these digital pianos actually have.

Find the pivot, align a 5-7 cm wide and 130 cm long strip to it, covering the keys. Depending on the digital action, you end up with most of the black keys covered. What you now see, is your real key size. Now you can tell, if your hands are wide and fingers short enough to play on these keys.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/09/19 11:49 AM

Here is a visual demonstration of entry level digital pianos:

[Linked Image]

Same total instrument depth, same action dimensions, just no visual illusion of full size keys.

If you can play on these keys, you are fine. If you can't, you're out of luck and have to look for a different model.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/09/19 12:58 PM

Interesting. I do play further in than that on my DP, but it requires more strength and to start off with a mental reminder to myself that that I needed to concentrate on controlling speed of key depression as well. Having got used to it I've a feeling though that if I return to a decent key length it won't be easy to adjust, just like it wasn't easy to adjust to the old DP's keys (I did a lot of finger exercises at one stage of my muddy footsteps in 'teaching myself' so fingers are quite strong, but control still sometimes requires extra concentration.) Makes it potentially tricky to test other actions - the DP has an unweighted, 'rubber sprung' action - but it would be relief not to have to press so hard.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/09/19 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by petebfrance
Interesting. I do play further in than that on my DP, but it requires more strength and to start off with a mental reminder to myself that that I needed to concentrate on controlling speed of key depression as well.

That standard piano key goes down 10 mm. If we have a section, where especially the black keys don't really budge, they can't be considered standard length and this is what the (of course exaggerated) visual demonstration is about. It also shows, that people who don't use the full size of the keys, aren't affected.

Somehow digital piano marketing thinks, that a short key is a positive attribute for a digital piano, like some car maker advertising "backseat with smallest leg room we ever made". I wouldn't be to proud to that. wink
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/09/19 07:35 PM

I think the Casio Rhodes EP at 8:15 sounds real nice. I think the Casio "Piano" and the "Rhodes" samples both sound much better than the Yamaha P125 versions demoed at 11:10.

Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/10/19 07:09 PM

Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/10/19 07:56 PM

Be great to see an A/B comparison of the PX-S1000 vs. an ES-110. Only about $100 price difference, with the ES-110 about 2lbs pound heavier and 2" deeper.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/11/19 08:20 AM

A more balanced review, see https://youtu.be/cZIiVuNPXEA
At least it is a better review than Chuck's "it feels really great reviews"
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/11/19 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
A more balanced review, see https://youtu.be/cZIiVuNPXEA
At least it is a better review than Chuck's "it feels really great reviews"

While he may be more willing to point out shortcomings, the info isn't necessarily accurate. To "prove" that Casio's "2 sensor plus software" allows for repetition like a 3 sensor, he demonstrates using something two sensors are never an impediment to (high velocity repeats where the key is fully lifted between each strike anyway... the third sensor of a 3-sensor board doesn't come into play doing something like that anyway). He says the Yamaha CP88 is 3x the weight of the Casio... it is less than 2x.
Posted By: Chanami

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/11/19 06:37 PM

Newbie here! First post ever so be nice to the new boy smile

I've been researching for the right portable piano since the beginning of the year. An all-in-one solution, I could take to small gigs and practice sessions with instrumentalists/singers that didn't require me lugging a separate PA or amp (so stage pianos like Yamaha CP88 and Nord out of the question).

I should stress, I do NOT work for Casio, but I did once own a Privia PX350 a while back and was fairly satisfied with it as a portable instrument until a few years ago when some of the keys became a little rattly and loose and started to feel rather uneven (which I hear is common with all digitals).

With NAMM declaring the new Privia PXS-3000 as its "Best in Show", I was interested and keen to see whether this keyboard action was any improvement. Obviously, it is not released yet, but I did spend an afternoon in London and found a music store with the PXS-1000 and with curiosity and an open mind. I wanted to TRY it myself and see how it felt. Was the short pivot (as mentioned by previous posters) a problem or not? I knew it ought to be in theory, but what about in practice?

Here are my thoughts in this YouTube clip live & unedited - discussing mainly the pivot (and comparing its action to a more premium Casio action).



(Apologies for the low volume on the piano, I didn't want to draw too much attention to myself filming as there were other customers browsing across the room).

The Summary: Like the same repeated advice explained over and over again. You have to try this action for yourself and decide.

I, personally, was actually impressed with what Casio has achieved here in such a compact form. (I'll be honest, I hate the fact it looks like a toy - but was reassured when it didn't feel so bad). It's certainly DIFFERENT to what they have had before with the old Tri Sensor Hammer Action II (which I remember falling in love with 6 years ago when it first came out until it got loose over the years). I feel it's definitely quieter and smoother (although how long this will last I don't know). I definitely prefer it to the plastic and clunky Yamaha GHS action on the P45 across the room.

Is the short pivot a problem? Personally, I don't think it is. YES, it is noticeably heavier towards the fallboard compared to the key edge, but I'd say it's no heavier than some compact acoustic uprights I've played in the past. It's certainly controllable. I could play rapidly repeated notes, and adjust velocity/weight to produce various articulation and dynamic changes. Maybe it's my technique (to be fair, I teach students on their own instruments - everything from digital 61 key toys, to Yamaha Clavinovas to Yamaha Silent Pianos to Steinway Grands in one week - so I'm very used to adapting my technique to the instrument). Between schlepping a "portable" Yamaha P515 (the lightest between the top 3 including Roland FP90 and Kawai ES8) - this is totally acceptable and I did not feel anyway inhibited as a player compared to some acoustic uprights I've played in the past. Plus, this is very good value for money.

Was I blown away with this action as much as I was when I was first introduced to the Casio Privia PX350? No, not really to be honest. BUT, I have come to the conclusion that it is an improvement on the old action. And for that reason, I've ordered a PXS-3000 along with the rucksack gig bag and 3 pedal unit, and have booked a gig with it at the end of the month. smile
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/11/19 06:46 PM

Keyboard makes a lot of noise on your video, quite noticeable
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/11/19 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
BOTH are two sensor actions. While I don't expect you to take my word for it, these new instruments especially the PX-S series perform better in almost every respect than the tri-sensor action found in previous models. Trust me we had people meticulously comparing them throughout the NAMM show.


This sounds impossible... have you got the number of a patent which describes how the DP compute the velocity if the key trigger the second sensor many times ?
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/11/19 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
BOTH are two sensor actions. While I don't expect you to take my word for it, these new instruments especially the PX-S series perform better in almost every respect than the tri-sensor action found in previous models. Trust me we had people meticulously comparing them throughout the NAMM show.


This sounds impossible... have you got the number of a patent which describes how the DP compute the velocity if the key trigger the second sensor many times ?

A two sensor action cannot outperform a three sensor action when it comes to detecting repeats without fully releasing the key. If this action is indeed an improvement in that respect, then the logical explanation is that there was a design flaw in the previous triple sensor action.
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/11/19 08:07 PM

On the tri sensor, each sensor has a function : 1/ damper control 2/ starting a chronometer 3/ stopping the chronometer and triggering the note.

When the key is at the bottom, it has to come at the 2nd position to restart the chronometer... hitting many times only the 3rd won’t provide a time, then the DP won’t have any clue about the velocity.

On usual 2 sensors DP, the sensor 1 and 2 are the same then we have to damper the note in order to restart the chronometer for the next note.


I do remember a view about a Kawai (NV10?) with only 2 sensors on the key, but the optical setting enables 3 threshold positions (as if we have 3 sensors) :

Before 1 : off off
Between 1 and 2 : off on
Between 2 and 3 : on on
After 3 : on off

But this can easily be made with optical sensor... an electric sensor which switch on then off when we press it can be difficult to produce economically.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/11/19 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
On the tri sensor, each sensor has a function : 1/ damper control 2/ starting a chronometer 3/ stopping the chronometer and triggering the note.

When the key is at the bottom, it has to come at the 2nd position to restart the chronometer... hitting many times only the 3rd won’t provide a time, then the DP won’t have any clue about the velocity.

On usual 2 sensors DP, the sensor 1 and 2 are the same then we have to damper the note in order to restart the chronometer for the next note.


I do remember a view about a Kawai (NV10?) with only 2 sensors on the key, but the optical setting enables 3 threshold positions (as if we have 3 sensors) :

Before 1 : off off
Between 1 and 2 : off on
Between 2 and 3 : on on
After 3 : on off

But this can easily be made with optical sensor... an electric sensor which switch on then off when we press it can be difficult to produce economically.

Agree. The claim that the new action outperforms the previous three sensor could only be true if they introduced a different sensor technology. But not with on/off switches.

I will not believe these claims until I see a test comparing the repetition detection ability of this new two sensor action against other three sensor actions from other major manufacturers. And I want to see the log of the generated midi messages... not sound demos...
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/11/19 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
On the tri sensor, each sensor has a function : 1/ damper control 2/ starting a chronometer 3/ stopping the chronometer and triggering the note.

What do you mean by damper control?
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/12/19 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Frédéric L
On the tri sensor, each sensor has a function : 1/ damper control 2/ starting a chronometer 3/ stopping the chronometer and triggering the note.

What do you mean by damper control?

The third sensor (first in key path) triggers the Note Off which equals the damper in a grand piano.

In a two sensor action, the second sensor (first in key path) has to be used to both start the chronometer and trigger the Note Off on the way back. To make this work, the sensor has to be placed in a compromised position to serve both functions.

BTW: Retriggering notes is perfectly possible with a two sensor action, because the damper effect is not instant in a well implemented piano simulation. Pianoteq fixed their implementation few years ago, after I reported it, while many digital pianos incorrectly kill notes, which have been retriggered immediately. Maybe Casio changed that? Who knows...
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/12/19 04:32 PM

My PX-S3000 shipped to me yesterday from adam at kraft.
Posted By: DoogansDad

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/12/19 05:08 PM

My PX-S3000 shipped this morning from Maryanne at Sweetwater.
Wooohoooo.

Jim
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/12/19 07:35 PM

Expecting to have it on 4/16 delivered
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 02:02 AM

I think we are hearing just the internal speakers in this video. It really sounds like a top notch piano. Add a small sidekick amp for a little boost and it's good to gig.

Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 06:55 AM

It sounds like the best digital piano on the market right now.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
It sounds like the best digital piano on the market right now.

Casio FTW! wink
Posted By: Cheshire Chris

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
It sounds like the best digital piano on the market right now.


Do you mean the best in its price range? It's difficult to see how it could be considered the best available at any price!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
Originally Posted by CyberGene
It sounds like the best digital piano on the market right now.


Do you mean the best in its price range? It's difficult to see how it could be considered the best available at any price!

Pretty sure CyberGene had his tongue in his cheek, since he personally owns one of the best digital pianos on the market right now, the N1X wink
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 07:36 AM

I see rintincop is very enthusiastic, praising the new Casio pianos a lot, and eagerly waiting for his to arrive, so I wanted to make him feel even better about his piano.
Posted By: dmd

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
Originally Posted by CyberGene
It sounds like the best digital piano on the market right now.


Do you mean the best in its price range? It's difficult to see how it could be considered the best available at any price!

Pretty sure CyberGene had his tongue in his cheek, since he personally owns one of the best digital pianos on the market right now, the N1X wink



That is called SARCASM and here is something to consider …..

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-well/201206/think-sarcasm-is-funny-think-again
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by dmd
That is called SARCASM and here is something to consider …..

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-well/201206/think-sarcasm-is-funny-think-again

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-surprising-benefits-of-sarcasm/
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene

Yes, there seems to be an entire science behind sarcasm. One of the things that bothered me tremendously by my Russian wife of 20 years is her routine use of sarcasm - with others and with me. It seemed that it was a natural to her as breathing. Then a few years ago, I took a Coursera course to learn to communicate with her (LOL): "Understanding Russians: Contexts of Intercultural Communication." In this course, I learned that there is a cultural context for communications and that sometimes, there are cultural reasons for such things as sarcasm - that is, sarcasm is part of their communication style. The course taught me that different cultures view sarcasm different - the Japanese, for example, view it as insulting, yet Russians and the British, for example, find it to be more normal in communications. Understanding this made me much better able to tolerate my wife's sarcasm smile
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 01:40 PM

Not sure if it’s the Russian influence on Bulgarians but sarcasm is an everyday thing, it’s part of our communication and is rarely meant to insult. I guess same for British people. But I guess Americans don’t think the same way smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
Not sure if it’s the Russian influence on Bulgarians but sarcasm is an everyday thing, it’s part of our communication and is rarely meant to insult. I guess same for British people. But I guess Americans don’t think the same way smile

I suspect that at least some Americans would view sarcasm (when they understand it) to be passive-aggressive and might fight against such in a more aggressive-aggressive fashion. I've certainly witnessed this myself. Sometimes though sarcasm can be confused with irony, parody, and satire. Fine lines.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 01:53 PM

BTW, we’ve got intercultural education in our company and we learned there that the way we Bulgarians speak English (the constructs in particular) may sound rude, direct and even offensive for native English speakers. For instance we don’t say something like “could you please bring me that”. We only say “bring me that”. That’s not rude, it doesn’t imply it’s an order smile We just speak like that.

With that in mind, I apologize to anyone who might have felt offended by my way of expression in English. In most cases it’s been unintentional smile
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
Not sure if it’s the Russian influence on Bulgarians but sarcasm is an everyday thing, it’s part of our communication and is rarely meant to insult. I guess same for British people. But I guess Americans don’t think the same way smile

Americans are kind of inherently multicultural (essentially a nation of immigrants, after all), so it varies, and related, I think there is a regional component. In the New York area, I'd say sarcasm is a way of life. But in Kansas or Arizona? Not so much.
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 02:51 PM

The dynamics of the Piano-world forum, we even learn about the cultural differences! By the way, I agree with the above. I have lived in every part of the world, and sometimes you think you understand each other, while in fact, both are trying to communicate and do their best, but are not even close. For instance, the concept of "group thinking vs individual", or "family orientation", or "politeness vs directness", or "spontanic actions vs planning", etc.. this is so different around the world. Is this the same for music appreciation?
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by FlexHank
[...] this is so different around the world. Is this the same for music appreciation?


Or Casio piano sound appreciation?

laugh
Posted By: FlexHank

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Originally Posted by FlexHank
[...] this is so different around the world. Is this the same for music appreciation?


Or Casio piano sound appreciation?

laugh


Sorry, just bought a Kawai, but Casio has its market segment
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/13/19 09:57 PM

Best in it's weight class, without doubt.
Do you gig and move yours around much?
Posted By: DoogansDad

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/14/19 11:28 AM

And here I was... hoping that the whole new page of comments that got added to this thread would be from happy people who's PX-S3000 arrived before mine did. Nope. Instead, it was just a bunch of sarcasm.

Dang.

Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/14/19 12:46 PM

I tried the 1000 out at GC and SA in NYC- but they had it at the top of a tier with no pedal- so it was not either really comfortable to play or realistic in the sense that I wouldn't be playing a piano 3 feet above normal with no pedal!

I think Casio did a nice job with this; a clear sound and expressive. However, I didn't think the speakers were particularly loud, I actually prefer the ones on my P125 which I think project the low end a little better. However the speakers were defintely an improvement over the x50 series from years ago.

I just left it on the initial piano sound-

I'm not sure I will by this as I already have a P125 for this role but who knows, maybe once I can try it out with a pedal and on a stand I will feel differently.

Off topic I also tried the FP10 and thought it was decent in the $400-$500 range but it doesnt seem to have lineouts.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/14/19 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
However the speakers were defintely an improvement over the x50 series from years ago.

The x50 series itself varied. The 350 had better speakers than the 150. Do you remember which you tried (i.e. which you're comparing the 1000 to)?
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/14/19 05:27 PM

When I go to a GC and they have it on those slanted wall stands, which effects the action weighting, I take it off the wall without asking and put it on a floor stand. They never mind. And I leave it that way.
Posted By: MarioPf

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/15/19 10:45 AM

For what I have seen and heard these new models of the Privia line have 3 advantages:

1. They are more compact.

2. Less noise from the keyboard mechanism. It also seems to me that the distance between keys is more uniform.

3. The main piano sound is more 'open' or 'natural'.

These are not dramatic improvements and do not seem to justify upgrading from the previous line. But I have some expectation about a future PX-S5000 model, replacing the PX-560. A second version of Hex layers, more controls, and not the same key action that is in PX-S1000/3000. I know that Casio 'philosophy' is to have the same key action
through the whole line but it would be much more interesting to have something more close to Kawai ES-8 or Roland Fp-90 in terms of keybed quality (even if it is to have a non-compact and not ultra light DP).
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/15/19 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by MarioPf
For what I have seen and heard these new models of the Privia line have 3 advantages:
1. They are more compact.

That is only an advantage if you are carrying it around. Otherwise is irrelevant. They os weight the same as the previous PX generation (ca. 12 Kg) and the dimensions are not that different:
Previous PX models: 1322 x 293 x 147 mm
Current models: 1322 x 232 x 102 mm

Quote
2. Less noise from the keyboard mechanism. It also seems to me that the distance between keys is more uniform.

If they are indeed less noisy that would be excellent. The previous Casio action (at least on the slabs) was extremely noisy.

What do you mean by uniform key distance? I have seen several previous generation PX models and never detected issues with the keyboard, apart from the noise.

Anyway, the action is also more compact, which means a shorter pivot point on an already short key. And just two sensors along with some marketing magic that makes it "better" than a three sensor action...
Posted By: MarioPf

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/15/19 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
Originally Posted by MarioPf
For what I have seen and heard these new models of the Privia line have 3 advantages:
1. They are more compact.

That is only an advantage if you are carrying it around. Otherwise is irrelevant. They os weight the same as the previous PX generation (ca. 12 Kg) and the dimensions are not that different:
Previous PX models: 1322 x 293 x 147 mm
Current models: 1322 x 232 x 102 mm


And if are short of space. At least the PX-S1000 can run on batteries and you may think to go out with it more times.

Quote

What do you mean by uniform key distance? I have seen several previous generation PX models and never detected issues with the keyboard, apart from the noise.


My PX-560 has an irregular space between some consecutive keys. Maybe this not occur with all DP but I think I've remember that more people were complaining about that. It was something very annoying in the first days but now I don't care anymore.

Quote

Anyway, the action is also more compact, which means a shorter pivot point on an already short key. And just two sensors along with some marketing magic that makes it "better" than a three sensor action...


I have an old Roland cabinet model with long pivot points and I've felt immediately that in the PX-560 some keys 'don't produce sound'. It took some weeks to adapt to the shorter pivots points. We could say that this is not a limitation but this not exactly true.

"Two sensors x Three sensors" - One have to try to 'see' with our own fingers.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/15/19 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by MarioPf
But I have some expectation about a future PX-S5000 model, replacing the PX-560...not the same key action that is in PX-S1000/3000. I know that Casio 'philosophy' is to have the same key action through the whole line but it would be much more interesting

It may be more interesting, but one way Casio succeeds as a high value line is by keeping costs down by re-using the same components in different products across the line and over some period of time. Since they just developed a new action, I doubt their plans include immediately developing another one.
Posted By: MarioPf

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/16/19 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by MarioPf
But I have some expectation about a future PX-S5000 model, replacing the PX-560...not the same key action that is in PX-S1000/3000. I know that Casio 'philosophy' is to have the same key action through the whole line but it would be much more interesting

It may be more interesting, but one way Casio succeeds as a high value line is by keeping costs down by re-using the same components in different products across the line and over some period of time. Since they just developed a new action, I doubt their plans include immediately developing another one.


The new CDP-S and PX-S models have the same dimensions and almost the same key action, only the PX-S line have a 'Smart' action, which is a software feature. So, if a future PX-S5000 would also have the 'Smart Scaled Hammer Action' this means that the top Privia model will have basically the same key action that is present in the entry models. This would be very disappointing but probably this would be the Casio decision.
Posted By: atcsam

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/18/19 02:37 AM

Link to webinar on the px-s3000...

https://www.crowdcast.io/e/px-s3000
Posted By: DoogansDad

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/18/19 01:45 PM

Mine is supposed to arrive today.
Woohoooo

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Posted By: DaveLang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/19/19 03:57 PM

Thanks a lot Mike Martin for that Webinar! You just cost me $900! Great job by the way..
I just ordered the PX-S3000 and is due to arrive Monday 4/22.
The only shortfall appears to be the electric Piano tones. Why can't Casio give us a decent Fender Rhodes sample? They could take the market with this keyboard if they would stop serving us cheesy EP tones. Yamaha excels for EP.
Posted By: Beakybird

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/19/19 04:08 PM

That sounds great. Great playing, Mike Martin!

If you're a gigging musician who carries his/her own equipment, this looks like a great option.

For at home playing or going into a recording studio, I would prefer a more expensive digital grand for optimal piano feel, but for gigging, weight is an issue. I bought a gig bag for my 55lb. Roland FP-90, but after lugging it one time to a friend's house, I decided that it is staying at home. I only put it in the gig bag one more time - to take it to the repair shop.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/19/19 08:49 PM

Review PX-S3000

It's a total upgrade. The best playing action and sounding board I've ever owned other than my Mason & Hamlin acoustic piano.

Key Action: superb
Dynamic Response: pp-ff excellent
Grand Piano: impressive with realistic behavior
Speakers: clear

Clean Vintage Tone Rhodes: EP1 is authentic BUT first you must Turn OFF Phaser and Tremolo for a clean tone, then it's fine for soloing. I assigned Control Knob 1 to Chorus and Control Knob 2 to Reverb.

Vibraphone 1: excellent
Acoustic Bass: excellent

Editing interface takes getting used to...

It sounds great for gigs when I boost the volume with my customized Fender Rumble 40 Bass amp. There's no harshness.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/19/19 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by rintincop
Review PX-S3000

It's a total upgrade. The best playing action and sounding board I've ever owned other than my Mason & Hamlin acoustic piano.

Key Action: superb
Dynamic Response: pp-ff excellent
Grand Piano: impressive with realistic behavior
Speakers: clear

Clean Vintage Tone Rhodes: EP1 is authentic BUT first you must Turn OFF Phaser and Tremolo for a clean tone, then it's fine for soloing. I assigned Control Knob 1 to Chorus and Control Knob 2 to Reverb.

Vibraphone 1: excellent
Acoustic Bass: excellent

Editing interface takes getting used to...

It sounds great for gigs when I boost the volume with my customized Fender Rumble 40 Bass amp. There's no harshness.

Any thoughts about the dreaded Casio pivot that everyone is always gnashing their teeth over? laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/19/19 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by rintincop
Review PX-S3000

It's a total upgrade. The best playing action and sounding board I've ever owned other than my Mason & Hamlin acoustic piano.

Key Action: superb

Could you try playing it near the fallboard on both the black and white keys, and then do that on your M&H and give us a comparison between the two?

The PX-S3000 sounds like it would make a great travel piano for me, but not if the action near the fallboard is poor.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/19/19 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by rintincop
Review PX-S3000

It's a total upgrade. The best playing action and sounding board I've ever owned other than my Mason & Hamlin acoustic piano.

Key Action: superb

So it really seems this might be the best digital piano on the market right now?
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/19/19 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
However the speakers were defintely an improvement over the x50 series from years ago.

The x50 series itself varied. The 350 had better speakers than the 150. Do you remember which you tried (i.e. which you're comparing the 1000 to)?


Hi Scott- sorry for the delay-- it was the PX350 I briefly had- I did like the piano sounds themselves though. I might consider the 3000 though and from the point of the sounds themselves it could be worth the extra money for the more variations available.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 12:23 AM

More observations:
Grand Piano: good sustain, no exaggerated attack or plunkiness, has full bodied notes (good midrange definition), the surround sound makes it realistic sounding.

Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 12:26 AM

The action near the fallboard is heavy, like most digital pianos. So I accept it. I don't really play back there a lot, especially when playing fast.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 01:07 AM

Hopefully this isn't too off-topic ... I went to the nearby Guitar Center tonight to check out their digital pianos. They had a Casio PX-350, which has the same action as my PX-160 (the Tri-Sensor Scaled Hammer Action II), and a CDP-S100, which, if I understand it, has the same physical action as the PX-S1000 and 3000 (the difference being the software "smart scaling"). I'm afraid to say that the CDP felt noticeably harder to play near the fallboard than the PX-350. I realize this is hardly a conclusive scientific experiment, and there could be all sorts of psychological factors at play, so don't take my word for it without trying it yourself, but in the spirit of sharing my experience: there you go. (On another note, the action of the Yamaha P45 and P125 did NOT seem any better near the fallboard than the PX-350, so I don't know why everyone picks on the Casio pivot but lets it slide for the Yamaha ... )
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by rintincop
The action near the fallboard is heavy, like most digital pianos. So I accept it. I don't really play back there a lot, especially when playing fast.

Thanks for answering my question!
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 02:28 AM

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These fellows don't seem to be bothered by the fallboard key weight pivot. Do people play the black keys at the fallboard? I don't, these guys don't. I generally play the front half of a black key.


Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 03:10 AM

I don't think you'll see anyone in any of these videos scowling in disgust smile

And it's not the black keys that are usually problematic, it's the whites between the black keys when you have to have your thumb on a black key.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by rintincop
Do people play the black keys at the fallboard? I don't, these guys don't. I generally play the front half of a black key.

I imagine that most of the time, one can rework the fingering to not play black keys near the fallboard. However, if my thumb has to go on a black key and finger 2 also in a chord, I invariably find that finger 2 plays the black key close to the fallboard.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 04:39 AM

An easy example of where a resistant back-of-key can be experienced easily is Moonlight Sonata. With the first note thumb on the G#, your second note C# will naturally fall toward the back of that key. So the test is, can you play gently, without risking that the second note fails to play, without having to play in an unnatural manner.

While the previous generation Casio is not perfect for this, I find it acceptable. No worse than other boards in the price range. I'm curious as to whether this feels any different on the PX360 vs PX-S3000. I'm also curious about quiet trills, how well the 2-sensor smart action emulates what can be done on the 3-sensor previous action. Helping here is that the previous 3-sensor action was not the best implementation of 3 sensors, either.

Originally Posted by CyberGene

So it really seems this might be the best digital piano on the market right now?

Probably for at least one person. :-) And assuming that weight and/or price are factors, of course. Otherwise I doubt anyone would prefer it to an Avant Grande, for example.
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 10:29 AM

Quote
- Do people play the black keys at the fallboard? I don't, these guys don't. I generally play the front half of a black key.
- [...] it's not the black keys that are usually problematic, it's the whites between the black keys when you have to have your thumb on a black key.


So, as we can see, the short pivot is a problem and any arguments against this are invalid.

Quote
I imagine that most of the time, one can rework the fingering to not play black keys near the fallboard.


Should one really need to completely re-think the fingering just because of a bad digital piano? Why not buy a proper digital piano instead and keep playing as you would on an acoustic real one?

(I'm not really serious of course. Just trolling a little bit, but maybe there's point being made somewhere in there? Of course digital pianos are compromises anyway, but where do we draw the line?)
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo

(I'm not really serious of course. Just trolling a little bit, but maybe there's point being made somewhere in there? Of course digital pianos are compromises anyway, but where do we draw the line?)


I don't think there needs to be a line. Portable/light/cheap DPs will have their compromises, and hey, so do $10-15k DPs. Acoustics have to compromise too. If the benefits of the DP outweigh the compromises being drawn, then you have a winner. Nearly anyone *can* play into the keys, it's just not as enjoyable or consistent on a short pivot as on a 7-9' grand with a 10+" pivot. But sometimes it's easier to stuff a portable battery operated DP into the backseat of your car than it is that Steinway D smile

What was specifically in question here for me was the statement from Casio that they had done something mechanical to make a short pivot easy to play at the fallboard, whereas it really just looks like a simpler lever, same as everyone else uses.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
So, as we can see, the short pivot is a problem and any arguments against this are invalid.

Well of course, even just theoretically, the issue of increased resistance toward the rear of the keys can be a problem, the question is whether or to what extent it is noticeable on one action or another. Personally, I haven't really found it to be an issue on the hammer action boards I've played, but is a big issue on semi-weighteds, where I find much more substantial variation.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
So, as we can see, the short pivot is a problem and any arguments against this are invalid.

Well of course, even just theoretically, the issue of increased resistance toward the rear of the keys can be a problem, the question is whether or to what extent it is noticeable on one action or another. Personally, I haven't really found it to be an issue on the hammer action boards I've played, but is a big issue on semi-weighteds, where I find much more substantial variation.

I'm not as experienced as probably most on this thread, but my issue is not that my DP is heavier near the fallboard on black and white keys, but that I feel like I have less control. No doubt a more experienced pianist would be able to control it even so, but I feel like my usual 6 levels of dynamics reduces to 3-4 when playing very close to the fallboard.

From the control perspective, it feels harder to play close to the fallboard on my DP than to play normally further from the fallboard on a heavy-actioned VPC1. Not sure why, or if such a difference in perception can be explained by the pivot mechanics.
Posted By: DoogansDad

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 02:01 PM

Not to start another branch of conversation but, does anyone have the S1000 or S3000 on the $129 stand that Casio provides? I just want to know at what height does it place the keys above the floor (measurement from the floor to the top surface of the white keys)? Before I decide to cut into my studio desk and create a shelf specific to this new keyboard, I'm wondering what height the factory stand provides. I cannot find this information anywhere on Casio's website or any other online source.

Yes, I understand that the more important dimension is from the piano bench to the keyboard, but I'm thinking that the factory stand might allow me to slide the keyboard under my studio desk when not in use, without making such a permanent modification to my desktop. Just looking for some help from the forum on this.

And for the record, as an inexperienced digital piano student I am totally thrilled with my purchase. The sound quality is such that I have yet to even push the audio output through my studio monitors. I'm having a time navigating through all the sounds and options of the PX-S3000, but have yet to be disappointed. I don't have enough experience to participate in the "short pivot / action at the fallboard" discussion, and yet I believe that if I learn to play on this action, it will not create an artist that cannot easily transition to others. For $799 it is the nearest weight and feel to the old Knabe Grand that I tinkered on as a child. I am also most impressed with the faux ebony and ivory textured surfaces.

As expected, the touch interface is a fingerprint magnet, but if it ever gets stolen, I'll have no problem proving it was mine! smile

Jim
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
Hopefully this isn't too off-topic ... I went to the nearby Guitar Center tonight to check out their digital pianos. They had a Casio PX-350, which has the same action as my PX-160 (the Tri-Sensor Scaled Hammer Action II), and a CDP-S100, which, if I understand it, has the same physical action as the PX-S1000 and 3000 (the difference being the software "smart scaling"). I'm afraid to say that the CDP felt noticeably harder to play near the fallboard than the PX-350. I realize this is hardly a conclusive scientific experiment, and there could be all sorts of psychological factors at play, so don't take my word for it without trying it yourself, but in the spirit of sharing my experience: there you go. (On another note, the action of the Yamaha P45 and P125 did NOT seem any better near the fallboard than the PX-350, so I don't know why everyone picks on the Casio pivot but lets it slide for the Yamaha ... )


I've had the P125 for 8 or so months- so I am trying to decide if getting the s1000 would do anything for me? Is anyone else in the same boat. The variety of the s3000 would of course provide more variety for me.

However, I play a lot of octaves in the C1- G2 range and felt as though I was getting more out the P125 in this area vs. the S1000.
This is via the internals and not connecting to something external such as my ZXA1 90.

What Yamaha is failing to do is rename GHS. It carries a stigma and gets looked at differently than the GH of the P125/255.
IMHO, the 125 is somewhat different than the 95, but they could learn from Casio and market better.
Posted By: TheophilusCarter

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61

I've had the P125 for 8 or so months- so I am trying to decide if getting the s1000 would do anything for me? Is anyone else in the same boat.


Kinda. I don't need a new slab any time soon, but it's still fun to think about my next one. smile I'm thinking the comparable Yamaha and Casio would feel like a lateral move from my PX-160, so I'm leaning toward a Roland FP -- at least the 30, maybe higher.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
I've had the P125 for 8 or so months- so I am trying to decide if getting the s1000 would do anything for me? Is anyone else in the same boat.

Just curious what your thinking is behind "upgrading" from one entry-level slab to another entry-level slab?
Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
I've had the P125 for 8 or so months- so I am trying to decide if getting the s1000 would do anything for me? Is anyone else in the same boat.

Just curious what your thinking is behind "upgrading" from one entry-level slab to another entry-level slab?


I don't really consider them "entry level" . I consider them more "convenient" for traveling and using for various gigs and functions. The ES8 stays at home while the slabs travel.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
I've had the P125 for 8 or so months- so I am trying to decide if getting the s1000 would do anything for me? Is anyone else in the same boat.

Just curious what your thinking is behind "upgrading" from one entry-level slab to another entry-level slab?


I don't really consider them "entry level" . I consider them more "convenient" for traveling and using for various gigs and functions. The ES8 stays at home while the slabs travel.

Got it. You are talking about upgrading a gigging/travel piano. Then that makes sense. For gigging, I'd assume a PX-S3000 would be nice, but what do I know. I don't gig. laugh
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 08:53 PM


The action is not light.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 09:01 PM

The fact it’s so slim and so light, yet has weighted keys and speakers and costs just €600 is indeed tempting for a gigging machine to me. But the sound quality is awful to my ears. I’m currently considering a Dexibell P3 (can have it for €700) or S3 (€800), also very lightweight and the sounds are light years ahead. But maybe the Casio keyboard is better despite the short pivot.
Posted By: Applesgr

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/20/19 11:30 PM

I just bought the whole pack (case,pedal,stand) for pxs1000.
I think the stand is the same size.

I'll inform you by Monday
😁
Posted By: DoogansDad

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/21/19 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by Applesgr
I just bought the whole pack (case,pedal,stand) for pxs1000.
I think the stand is the same size.

I'll inform you by Monday
😁

It is, in fact, the same stand for both. Thank you in advance for your help.

Jim
Posted By: havingfun

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/21/19 10:54 PM

My new PX-S3000 just arrived. I downloaded Chordana Play for Piano onto my Android phone and connected via USB cable. When I select "Piano Remote Controller" on the app, I get this error message: "Connection error. This function requires a connection to a compatible digital piano" The app does display the PX-S3000 manual, so it is apparently up to date. Yes, the USB cable is good, and fully seated on both ends.

Any ideas on how to correct this?
Posted By: Kbeaumont

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/22/19 02:15 PM

Is your android phone recent? I would bet its the phone. I don't have an android phone so I can't tell you how to troubleshoot the connection to the piano.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/22/19 03:20 PM

iPhone 6 working for o me and Chordana . I loaded my favorite classical pieces into the user memory of my S3000
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/22/19 05:54 PM

Theoretically at least you could have used the wrong USB socket on the Casio as there are two.

Your Android phone would need to use a "USB On-The-Go" adapter or cable and it would plug to the "USB TO HOST" socket on the Casio.

(Off the top of my head and without owning a PX-S series device...)
Posted By: ap215

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/22/19 08:27 PM

For app remote control and midi purposes:

The port on the piano end is USB "type B" which is square shape (most printers use this). To connect your phone, you would need a USB type B to micro cable (or whatever your phone uses). This kind of cable is rare, so you can also use some kind of adapter to make it work (e.g. type B to type A cable plus a type A to Micro USB adapter).
Posted By: Ojustaboo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/22/19 11:37 PM

I found this YouTube vid interesting (except for the stupid childish noises they made when swapping keyboards around)

Andertons music store in UK, blindfolded someone and got him to try, then rate 5 pianos.

He rated Kronos last, then the Montage, then RD 2000, then the Casio CDP-S100 (costs just £329), and finally as the best, The Nord Piano 4.

I had a Kronos 88, and while I loved the sounds, I didn’t like the key bed and couldn’t understand how so many people praised it. It didn’t feel like the sort of quality of keyboard I felt should be on an instrument costing that much. I sold it due to this.

Of course this wasn’t under scientific conditions, but it does imply that brand name can play a big part in the players opinion of the Keyboard, rather than what it actually feels like.

Or to put it another way, if he knew what he was playing, I wonder if the Casio would have still come above thand Kronos, montage and rd 2000?

Vid here
Posted By: EVC2017

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/23/19 12:24 AM

Fun video but I would not take the results too seriously. Even the order in which keyboards are played may affect results.

That said, I agree Nord sounded fuller but I wonder how realistic it is piano-wise. It sounded like the decay was slow and that could contribute (at least in part) to the perception of better piano sound.
Posted By: havingfun

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/23/19 02:01 AM

Thanks, ap215. I did not notice that the USB Type A connector on the keyboard was only for Flash Drives. Seems like a strange design choice to use the square USB connector, but I will get the correct cable and try again. That must be my problem (Chordana does not recognize the keyboard). Thanks!
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/23/19 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by EVC2017
FI agree Nord sounded fuller but I wonder how realistic it is piano-wise. It sounded like the decay was slow and that could contribute (at least in part) to the perception of better piano sound.

I think this is probably a case of "perception is reality." If something seems more like a real piano--for whatever reason--then it is accomplishing its goal. And in fact, a too-quick decay is often what makes a DP seem less realistic than the real thing.

Also worth noting (since this is the PX-S1000/3000 thread) that the Casio in that video was not one of those, but the lower end CDP-S100 which does not have as sophisticated a piano sound as the PXs.
Posted By: DaveLang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/23/19 10:31 PM


Yesterday, I just received the PX-3000. A really well built keyboard.
The keybed feels great. The key movement is clean with no wobble and symetrical key spacing. It feels really good. The slightly shorter key pivot point (1/8") is really not that bad. Of course, try it yourselves. As far as two sensor vs three sensor discussion, it acts like it's a three sensor. We know it's not, but whatever they're doing the keys quickly trigger without returning the key all the way up. It works as well as my SL88 three sensor controller. Actually, I like the keybed better on the PX-S3000. The SL SL88 Studio keybed is on the noisy side, the PX-S3000 is one of the quietest keybeds I've played.

The Piano samples...
The default power on acoustic piano sample (P001 GrPnoConcert) overall sounds good. It's well balanced from low register on up. My only complaint with this sample is that starting around middle C and up this octave, there's a bit a of a midrange plunkiness to the sound. It's not horrible, but audible. I love the lower and upper octave registers of this piano sound. It's quite real. Also, bear in mind, this is with no adjustments to the sound. I'm not saying adjusting settings can help this C4 (assuming C4 is middle C) to C5 octave (or so). It's certainly worth trying.

The good news...
The Stage Piano preset!
There's a lot of clarity in this sample across the keyboard. It really sits well in a mix. Also, I do not hear the plunkiness (for lack of a better description) in the C4 (middle)-C5 range. I would gig with this keyboard. This piano preset is my #1 reason for keeping this slab. I plan on making a couple presets with the Stage Piano preset. I'll try to make one with a bit more warmth using the settings. The Stage Piano preset kind of reminds me of some of Yamaha's better AP samples (on more expensive keyboards). I may even like it more...

The EP tones....
I wasn't a huge fan of the EP tones. Since I just got this damn thing and don't really have a clue on editing tones (at this point), I didn't have a chance to work on any adjustments. I'm not sure why Casio chose to torture all their EP sounds and didn't offer a clean rhodes program.
It may be possible, I just have not tried...as of yet.

The same goes for organ tones. From what users just mentioned, it appears possible to clean up the organs and get what we're looking for. I'll hopefully will also get around to creating some decent organ patches.

This thing is built VERY WELL. It's also quite a good looking keyboard. The drum rhythm sounds (and accompaniment) are cheesy... In this day and age, why can't they include real drum and backing tracks. If memory is the reason (which is a poor excuse), just offer them as a download for storing to USB thumbdrive and have the software point to this location.

For reference, I also currently own:
Yamaha ES-8
Yamaha P515
Yamaha MOXF6
StudioLogic SL88 Studio
Spectrasonics Keyscape
NI Noire
NI THE GRANDEUR
Many more VSTs, but the above are some of the better.
Posted By: Info2011

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/24/19 10:08 PM

DaveLang -

Excellent review, glad you posted.

One request: Can you chime-in how you feel about the keybed and general piano sound in a head-to-head comparison with the Yamaha P515? (I'm considering both and the Yamaha is nowhere to be found to try out.)

Thanks!
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/24/19 11:54 PM

There are plenty of opportunities to hear both boards in the numerous well-recorded demos out there. I also could not find a 515 anywhere to try. I did finally locate a PX-1000 to try the other day. I felt that the black notes suffered by the short pivot point if you played them to close to the ‘fallboard’. That may bother me more than you, depending on how you play. It sounded surprisingly good through the internal speakers.

So anyway, I ordered the Yamaha 515 (Home Bundle Plus) today, breaking my rule of not buying something that I haven’t played. I have played the same action on another instrument, I’m not expecting any surprises. Can’t wait, might have it by Saturday.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/25/19 12:52 AM

I like that description of the Casio factory Rhodes and Organs, "tortured."

Here's my thread on how to get a clean tone vintage Rhodes sound and a Jimmy Smith jazz organ out of the S3000. (It's not possible to edit the S1000)

Getting a clean tone Rhodes and 88800000 jazz organ on the S3000

update:
I'll simply paste into the next post:


Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/25/19 12:57 AM

There is no default clean tone vintage Fender Rhodes TONE in the PX-S3000.

However, you can get a nice clean tone Rhodes by stripping away the heavy Phase Shifter and Tremolo DSP applied to EP 1 by using the following edit settings:

Select "004:Elec.Piano 1" from the [TONE]E.PIANOS section.

To defeat the Phaser and Tremolo:
Change the [CTRL]DSP to 006:Stereo3BndEQ
Increase its EQ3 Gain to +6 to get a pronounced tine.

Change the [CTRL]KNOB to 03:Up 1 Cho/Rev

Change the Reverb Sound Effect to Room 2

Adjust to taste the Chorus Level with Knob 1.
Adjust to taste the Reverb Level with Knob 2.

Save as a Registration.
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/25/19 12:57 AM

I have a similar recipe to fix the Jimmy Smith 88800000 ORGAN TONE.
The factory set it with FAST Rotary and too much of it. Most Jazz players use Slow or Stopped Rotary.

The important fix for the [TONE] ORGAN 001: JS Organ is to change the default DSP to:

[CTRL]DSP 017: Drive Rotary
Adjust its Gain to taste (I chose +55)
DSP 017's Slow Rotary setting is mild enough that it's not bothersome, imo.

Leave the Knobs as is ([CTRL]KNOBS 001:Filter) you may adjust Frequency Cut Off and Resonance to taste, which act like an EQ.

SPLIT with Organ Bass: [TONE] OTHERS 106:Organ Bass

Save as a Registration

------------------------------

[TONE] ORGAN 012.Elec.Organ 5 is a good Latin tone organ as is. It sounds similar to Walter Wanderley's "Os Grilos" organ sound.
Posted By: jjo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/25/19 02:37 PM

rintincop: Thanks for posting those edits. I've pretty much decided to purchase the 3000 and piano, jazz organ and Rhodes are the three sounds I'll want. Hopefully I can figure out out to do the editing and registration!
Posted By: DaveLang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/25/19 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Info2011
DaveLang -

Excellent review, glad you posted.

One request: Can you chime-in how you feel about the keybed and general piano sound in a head-to-head comparison with the Yamaha P515? (I'm considering both and the Yamaha is nowhere to be found to try out.)

Thanks!


Info2011,
You're going to love the Yamaha P515. It's basically a CLP645 ($3,500) in a slab. This makes this quite a good buy. The NWX keyboard is excellent. You can smell the new wood when removing it from the box. The best sound out of this box is the CFX Grand. It just sounds professional. The P515 is also capable of 16 track recording.

When you plug in headphones, it enables the binarual CFX samples. This feature really sounds like your sitting in front of the piano. The EP sounds are OK, buy not as good as what I heard on on the new CP88. The EP Soft tone was the most useful for myself, but does not have much bell tone and dynamics. The CFX piano sample makes this worth it on its own!

I wish the P515 had more control for tone parameters and effects. This may be one area the Casio PX-S3000 excels. On the Casio, there's a stereo three band (adjustable freq) EQ that can really help out refining your patches. I just picked up the PX-S3000, so I'm still learning. I've had the P515 for about two months. I also bought the bundle. Which was another story of a hassle from the seller. Beware of these guys that offer them on Amazon only to send just the keyboard and tell you later that the L515B (black) stand is on back order.

It's hard to compare the Casio PX-S3000 to the Yamaha P515 since the Yammie is almost double the cost. The Yamaha does have a better keybed, but the PX-S3000 is still decent (just different). The NWX is Yamaha's best keybed. I believe the Yamaha does have more sustain over the Casio, but that does not mean the Casio doesn't sustain enough, it just ramps down a bit quicker from initial loudness but continues to sustain. If anything, with the PX-S3000 damper pedal down, there seems to be a lot clarity and definition (Stage Piano patch) when sustaining chords and improvising melodies. The Yamaha does have a gorgeous piano tone. I have this in my living room. I have yet to take it out to the studio and listen to it on my near field monitors, but listening on highend phones reveals its pure quality.

One thing to watch for with the P515 is the keybed manufacturing quality. There are some that have uneven key spacing. Just be aware. Also, the Yamaha is sensitive to increasing reverb and there's a hiss that can be heard on higher piano notes. I'm not sure if it's a function of internal level gain staging or a fuction of piano high frequency harmonics exaggerating the reverb. It's not an issue at normal reverb levels.

The PX-S3000 "Stage Piano" voice has a unique tone with distinct clarity which notes ring with space and woody character. The "Stage Piano" voice really sits well in a mix.
I'm really enjoying the flexibility the Casio offfers with all of its sound processing ability. We should be able to craft sounds with this instrument. Once you've worked and assigned the PX-S3000 knobs, it's hard to give these up. There's so much you can do here.

I love both of these DPs for different reasons. The Casio is going to be great to take outside and sit near the pool and practice. This is my first Casio, Well short of the SK-1 I bought back in the 80s...LOL Casio has really stepped up here... I'm sold.
Posted By: Info2011

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/26/19 02:03 AM

Wow, thanks DaveLang so much for that response! Really appreciate the details.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/26/19 02:35 AM

Quote
DaveLang sez:
Beware of these guys that offer them on Amazon only to send just the keyboard and tell you later that the L515B (black) stand is on back order.


It IS on industry-wide backorder until late June. Check the other sellers, no one has it.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/26/19 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Simons
Quote
DaveLang sez:
Beware of these guys that offer them on Amazon only to send just the keyboard and tell you later that the L515B (black) stand is on back order.


It IS on industry-wide backorder until late June. Check the other sellers, no one has it.


Yes, the stand is on backorder but I received mine about a month after I placed my order with SamAsh. I don’t know if that holds true for other orders.

The stand is three pieces of wood and takes five minutes to assemble. I haven’t bolted the keyboard to it yet because I need to get rid of an extra desk to put the P-515 in its final place. The P-515 is on a Z stand now.

The stand seems a little low to me but maybe I won’t feel that way once I attach the keyboard. It is about one inch lower than my Z stand.
Posted By: ap215

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/26/19 03:20 AM

Speaking of stands, does anyone have the stand for PX-S1000/3000? Can someone measure the keybed height when it's on the stand?
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/26/19 08:03 AM

Around 73 cm/28.74" for white keys and 74.5 cm/29.33" for the black keys would be a good quess. It's something like that on my old Casio Privia. Maybe a a little less.

But still not a proper PX-S specific answer... smirk
Posted By: DaveLang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/26/19 05:45 PM

All,
Does anyone know if the PX-S3000 has amplitude sound shaping ability? I really need an amplitude envelope (ADSR) to fix the EP tones. These sound unnatural and organ like without this control. Is there any way to control the Attack, Decay, Sustain, and Release for tones? With all of its DSP capability, I'm not really asking for much.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/26/19 06:22 PM

That’s so sad. Rhodes demos sound awful but I guess if they could be “fixed” Casio would have fixed them. I guess the memory is just really constrained. To me it sounds like it was a really tight project, like 16MB for the entire piano. But you can purchase a tiny Yamaha Reface CP with gorgeous Rhodes and hook it to the Casio. Which is something I myself consider.
Posted By: DaveLang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/26/19 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
That’s so sad. Rhodes demos sound awful but I guess if they could be “fixed” Casio would have fixed them. I guess the memory is just really constrained. To me it sounds like it was a really tight project, like 16MB for the entire piano. But you can purchase a tiny Yamaha Reface CP with gorgeous Rhodes and hook it to the Casio. Which is something I myself consider.


LOL, I’m sure it’s a lot more than 16MB for the entire piano samples. You made that up right? 😀 I actually like the PX-S3000 samples more than Keyscape which is over 80GB. Keyscape has no sympathetic responses and their C7 sample tends to sound sterile. Keyscape has big and long samples, but that doesn’t guarantee authentic sound.

Hooking up other gear for a Rhodes tone is certainly not my plan. I bought this for the piano tones which sound great. As I mentioned before, I’m a fan of the Studio Piano sample in the PX-S3000. There’s so much clarity across the board. Even the low register doesn’t cloud up like a lot of piano samples.

Hopefully someone will chime in for a solution on the EP tones. I’m looking for a Jeff Lorber type Rhodes tone without connecting to my Yamaha outboard gear. Please check out these Lorber tones for reference. If someone gets close, please upload the file:
https://youtu.be/AtEN-slvd-I
Posted By: rintincop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/26/19 08:06 PM

You can get a nice clean tone Rhodes by stripping away the heavy Phase Shifter and Tremolo DSP applied to EP 1 by using the following edit settings:

Select "004:Elec.Piano 1" from the [TONE]E.PIANOS section.

To defeat the Phaser and Tremolo:
Change the [CTRL]DSP to 006:Stereo3BndEQ

Save as a Registration.


To edit bit further:

Increase its EQ3 Gain to +6 to get a pronounced tine.

Change the [CTRL]KNOB to 03:Up 1 Cho/Rev

Change the Reverb Sound Effect to Room 2

Adjust to taste the Chorus Level with Knob 1.
Adjust to taste the Reverb Level with Knob 2.

Save as a Registration.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/27/19 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by DaveLang
Originally Posted by CyberGene
That’s so sad. Rhodes demos sound awful but I guess if they could be “fixed” Casio would have fixed them. I guess the memory is just really constrained. To me it sounds like it was a really tight project, like 16MB for the entire piano. But you can purchase a tiny Yamaha Reface CP with gorgeous Rhodes and hook it to the Casio. Which is something I myself consider.


LOL, I’m sure it’s a lot more than 16MB for the entire piano samples. You made that up right? 😀

Not at all! The Rhodes samples in the Nord library are 8MB each (the S-versions) And they sound so much better than the Casio. So I’m guessing the Rhodes samples in the Casio are what 1-2MB? Pretty much realistic. And the the rest would of course be for the piano. But let’s say 16MB might have been an underestimation. The total ROM size could be under 100MB for sure. I’d personally bet on a stack of beers it’s under 64MB. I’ve heard Yamaha P90 had a ROM size of 30MB and it’s more convincing to my ears. Also the Casio uses resonance modeling so they could save on damper down samples.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 04/27/19 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by DaveLang
Does anyone know if the PX-S3000 has amplitude sound shaping ability? I really need an amplitude envelope (ADSR) to fix the EP tones. These sound unnatural and organ like without this control. Is there any way to control the Attack, Decay, Sustain, and Release for tones? With all of its DSP capability, I'm not really asking for much.

DSPs are for effects. Regardless, I believe you have to go to the PX560 for that kind of editing. Presumably at some point they will have a higher end version of the 3000, but for now, you can't get Casio's newest action and piano sound in a higher end model with things like advanced editing functions.

Originally Posted by CyberGene
you can purchase a tiny Yamaha Reface CP with gorgeous Rhodes and hook it to the Casio.

You can't directly connect the two, because the 3000 lacks a standard 5-pin MIDI port (something else the PX560 has). If you have an iOS device, that has some nice EPs available, and can connect easily. Still, the 3000 doesn't have a lot of MIDI controller functionality, so there would be some additional considerations if you want to be able to quickly switch to different external sounds, or between internal and external sounds, or split/layer internal and external sounds.
Posted By: DiarmuidD

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/03/19 05:03 PM

Have any of you guys been using VST's with either the 1000 or 3000? What are your experiences?
Posted By: DoogansDad

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/04/19 05:22 PM

Okay all, if you haven't seen this yet... it totally justifies the $200 price difference between the 1000 and 3000. Glad I waited for the PX-S3000 to ship. Mike Martin also addresses many of the questions and concerns voiced here on this forum:

Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/04/19 05:29 PM

Can one summarize that in a few sentences. It’s ridiculous to have to watch through a 1+ hour video to be able to understand something that no doubt can be put in only a few written points.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/04/19 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by DoogansDad
Okay all, if you haven't seen this yet... it totally justifies the $200 price difference between the 1000 and 3000. Glad I waited for the PX-S3000 to ship. :

Sure, the same reasoning applies to the previous px-160 and px-360 and ctx models.

Maybe the action will be a surprise for this price, but that needs to be tested. Apart from that, several of the features demonstrated by Mike Martin were already available on the 360 and ctx. A serious refresh of the 5s/560 would be another story, but I am not sure will continue to develop the privia “pro” range.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/04/19 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
Can one summarize that in a few sentences. It’s ridiculous to have to watch through a 1+ hour video to be able to understand something that no doubt can be put in only a few written points.

- new chassis and new speakers
- all new 2 sensor action, but claimed to be better than a 3 sensor action
- action is quieter
- combines the AiX sound engine from the ctx with a revised version of the AiR sound engine from the Privia. The latter is used for the acoustic pianos. Acoustic piano settings seem quite similar to the older 360/560
- dsp/filter settings seems quite similar to the 360/560/ctx, but with more presets
- support the Casio app

To me, these seem to be a refresh of the privia range with nicer/cleaner chassis in a very compact format. Since I used a 560 for some years, I have seen nothing radically new. Maybe the sound and action was improved, but that is not possible to judge from a video. The 360 was a good entry level dp (apart from the noisy action). The S3000 seems to be a suitable replacement.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/04/19 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by arc7urus
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Can one summarize that in a few sentences. It’s ridiculous to have to watch through a 1+ hour video to be able to understand something that no doubt can be put in only a few written points.

- new chassis and new speakers
- all new 2 sensor action, but claimed to be better than a 3 sensor action
- action is quieter
- combines the AiX sound engine from the ctx with a revised version of the AiR sound engine from the Privia. The latter is used for the acoustic pianos. Acoustic piano settings seem quite similar to the older 360/560
- dsp/filter settings seems quite similar to the 360/560/ctx, but with more presets
- support the Casio app

To me, these seem to be a refresh of the privia range with nicer/cleaner chassis in a very compact format. Since I used a 560 for some years, I have seen nothing radically new. Maybe the sound and action was improved, but that is not possible to judge from a video. The 360 was a good entry level dp (apart from the noisy action). The S3000 seems to be a suitable replacement.

Thanks!

How about S3000 vs S1000? DoogansDad alluded the 3000 is worth it over the 1000 but is there anything besides added sounds, a screen and a pitch band & modulation knobs?
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/04/19 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by arc7urus
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Can one summarize that in a few sentences. It’s ridiculous to have to watch through a 1+ hour video to be able to understand something that no doubt can be put in only a few written points.

- new chassis and new speakers
- all new 2 sensor action, but claimed to be better than a 3 sensor action
- action is quieter
- combines the AiX sound engine from the ctx with a revised version of the AiR sound engine from the Privia. The latter is used for the acoustic pianos. Acoustic piano settings seem quite similar to the older 360/560
- dsp/filter settings seems quite similar to the 360/560/ctx, but with more presets
- support the Casio app

To me, these seem to be a refresh of the privia range with nicer/cleaner chassis in a very compact format. Since I used a 560 for some years, I have seen nothing radically new. Maybe the sound and action was improved, but that is not possible to judge from a video. The 360 was a good entry level dp (apart from the noisy action). The S3000 seems to be a suitable replacement.

Thanks!

How about S3000 vs S1000? DoogansDad alluded the 3000 is worth it over the 1000 but is there anything besides added sounds, a screen and a pitch band & modulation knobs?

The video is only about the s3000. The 1000 and 3000 have the same chassis, action and sound engine, but the entry model has no screen and has several sounds and settings disabled/unavailable . So, basically the differences are what you mention, and I suspect the s1000 will not support editing many of the parameters/settings (like the older 160). The s3000 actually takes some features from the px-560/5s (knobs, wheels, ability to edit parameters). In comparison, the 360 had less features than the s3000.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/04/19 11:01 PM

New video explaining the differences between the PX-S1000 and PX-S3000

Posted By: PossumES8Krome61

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/11/19 12:06 AM

Finally was able to play both the 1000 and 3000 at normal heights with pedals at SA in NYC yesterday before Billy Joel concert.

They also had a PX560 which I was a little more impressed with- perhaps due to the 2 additional speakers and placement?

There were some things about the 1000/3000 I found different- not good or bad - but perhaps not all entirely suited to my preferences.

Due to the lower height, it was different having the tops of the black keys so close to the casing.
The mid range and upper range sounded decent- but if I was playing lower octaves like A1 and A2- at a higher volume I felt as though the keyboard was trying to push the sound and air through and not coming up with as musical a tone as I get for the same notes in my Yamaha P125.

I didn't think the Rhodes sounds on the 3000were all that inspiring.

I should have read the 1000 manual before I left- is it hold a key down and a function button to switch piano sounds?
Its a little clearer of course on the 3000 and my Yamaha.



My final verdict is I'm sticking with the 125 as my mobile board; but if I didn't have that I would probably have gone with the 1000.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/12/19 05:25 PM

I purchased the Casio S 3000 because it had a nice piano sound and nice action , I guessed that by watching the videos speaking of witch I made a video playing with the Casio Jazz trio on the Concert Grand piano which is the first one that comes up , I am playing through my Electrovoice ZXA1 speakers and I titled the song Grilled Cheese , go to Mike Lupinetti on You Tube to hear it .
Posted By: Martin Kulig

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/16/19 06:58 AM

Hi all, I just signed up for the forum but I’m reading the articles here for a long time.
I got my px-s3000 delivered beginning of april. I got a package deal together with the stand, a seat, the bag and some headphones.
The Casio representatives came to my place (Singapore) and assembled everything in my living room - very professional service!

[Linked Image]

Actually I was eyeing to purchase a Kawai, either the es110 or the mp7se. I really liked the sound of these but I was only able to play the es110 in a store. I don’t like how to operate this piano for settings and changing sounds. Also the key spacing were very uneven on the es110.
Kawai didn’t release an es120 so far but Casio innovated with the px-s line and made me change my mind.

The px-s3000 is top notch build quality and it looks great in my living room were it is always on my radar and motivates me to practise more. It sounds and plays great and it comes with so many features.
It’ll take a while to explore everything.
The Chordana app helps to get a quick overview of the settings but I like that I can just press a button and it is ready to play.

I have my iPad Air 2 connected via USB for midi and the iPad’s headphone output goes into the line in of the Casio.
With that setup I can use the piano’s speakers or headphone output for both devices without any audio interface.

I’m still at the beginning of my piano journey and I tested several apps with that configuration like Yousician, Simply Piano, Flow Keys and Playground Sessions. All of them work great and they are a lot of fun.
I wouldn’t recommend the Bluetooth audio for apps, there is a noticeable delay but with a cable it’s perfect for playing.

Here is a video where I recorded the mix (background music from iPad) directly with the piano’s audio recording function on a USB stick. Once the music starts, it’s the unchanged wav file.

Posted By: EPW

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/16/19 12:55 PM

Welcome to the forum!
Posted By: Martin Kulig

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/16/19 01:42 PM

Thank you, EPW.
A lot of great people here!
Posted By: pianosx

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/17/19 08:48 PM

Just took out my new CASIO PX S1000 for a test today (I keep it on my work desk), and noticed I'm not getting stereo from the audio input... only left channel, in both regular speaker mode, and if connected via headphones to the piano.
Is this normal for anyone else, can any other owners confirm something similar?
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My steps of troubleshooting:
I'm currently connected to my PC via the rear 3.5 mm stereo audio-out/headphone jack in the back.
I tested the jack with multiple headphones, stereo testing OK.
I tested the cable to confirm it is outputting stereo Left/Right to another speaker, stereo testing OK.
With audio jack connected to PX S1000, stereo testing from speakers plays only left channel, with headphones connected to the piano while still connected to PC, playing only left channel.
Posted By: Martin Kulig

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/18/19 02:31 AM

@pianosx this should work in stereo.
Make sure, the cable is pushed in all the way or try to pull it out a tiny bit.
I use a standard stereo cable but sometimes the cables can vary slightly in thickness.
There are also 3.5 mm cables that have an additional connection for microphones (headsets) that might not work as expected.
If possible, try a different cable.
If nothing helps, contact your dealer.

Cables can be really troublesome. I guess that is why Apple tries to get rid of them by promoting wireless Bluetooth audio which works fine on the PX-S3000 for song playback.
I hope that one day, Bluetooth will be fast enough to play without delay, too.
Posted By: pianosx

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/21/19 07:25 PM

Thanks @Martin Kulig for the reply.

I brought in a new audio cable to test, and it seems to be working fine.

Weird, guess the old cable has got to go.

Glad I don't have to deal with an RMA.

Time for some further testing, I haven't compared it with my PX-160 yet as it is in a different location, depending on how convenient it is, I might get rid of my PX-160.
Posted By: ap215

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/22/19 04:11 PM



Quick question, what's the name of the piece they played in this ad (starts at 0:50)? I've heard it often but kept on forgetting its name confused

Thanks!
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/22/19 04:17 PM

^ The slow movement from the Pathetique sonata be Beethoven smile A cheesy arrangement with a cheesy piano sound...
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/22/19 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
^ The slow movement from the Pathetique sonata be Beethoven smile A cheesy arrangement with a cheesy piano sound...

You had me at cheesy piano sound... grin
Posted By: dlpro

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 08:54 AM

Can the PX-S3000 be used as a controller? Also compared to the MP11SE, is the PX-S3000 keybed lighter?
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by dlpro
Can the PX-S3000 be used as a controller?

It has USB to host connection, so you can control a computer with software. However it doesn't have MIDI out and you can't use it to control other keyboards. There are some elaborate schemes that would allow to connect the USB cable to a powered USB hub and then connect the other keyboard with a USB cable to the same hub and then also connect an intermediate USB host to the hub which will forward the data between the two devices (the keyboards). People have also used iPhone as an intermediate host.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 09:52 AM

Jeremy See reviewed the PX-S1000 and claims, in the following video (around the 02:15 mark, that the action "feels" like that of a semi-weighted keyboard rather than a fully weighted keyboard. Can someone confirm this?



I already have synth action as well as semi-weighted keyboards and was actually considering either the CDP-S100 or the PX-S1000 mainly for use as a midi controller. If they are going to "feel" like a semi-weighted keyboards, I'll look at the previous generation Casio actions in the CDP/PX/AP series which I have tried out and do like.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 09:58 AM

I've played a CDP-S100 and apart from the very short pivot point which makes it hard to play near the end of the keys, the action feels heavy and solid, doesn't remind a synth action at all. I don't know who this guy is but I remember he was the one who compared various digital pianos by just using excerpts from other people's reviews, and of course staying under 5 seconds or whatever the YouTube requirement is for not punishing him. I wouldn't trust him TBH.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
I've played a CDP-S100 and apart from the very short pivot point which makes it hard to play near the end of the keys, the action feels heavy and solid, doesn't remind a synth action at all.


Then it would suit me quite well and I wouldn't have to pay the additional $300 for the PX-S1000. I plan to replace my midi controller with this unit, see how my piano work goes and then decide if it makes sense to go big (within reason).
Posted By: RobR

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 02:24 PM

I finally played the S-1000 today. I have to say i was very impressed with the action. What i liked most about it is the dynamics, the keys "melt" further down when hitting those ff notes, it almost felt like it has escapement.

I have some reservations about the texture of the keys though, i found it a little extreme but i think it's something i get used to. I also wish the "Stage piano" preset was included in the S-1000 as i heard great things about that preset. Either way, if i buy it, it will end up controlling my sample libraries anyway (Keyscape, Ravenscroft etc...).

So far, my favorite actions after a week of testing digital pianos are: S-1000, Dexibell S9 and FP-90.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by RobR
Either way, if I buy it, it will end up controlling my sample libraries anyway.


Both the CDP-S series as well as the PX-S series are supposed to have the same action with the PX-S series action being the "smarter" of the two. Some people say the "smartness" is purely software-based. In that case, what I am unsure about is, does this smartness only affect how the built-in sound engine treats input, or will it be just as smart when sending midi messages to a PC?

If it's the former, then for the midi controller use case, there is no difference between the models as far as the action is concerned. There might, of course, be differences in half pedaling, three pedal unit connectivity, and presence/absence of knobs and wheels.
Posted By: RobR

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 02:43 PM

It’s not the same action. It’s a completely new action from the ground up on the new PX-S 1000/3000. What you’re talking about is the hi-res midi which affects only the internal sounds. I’m talking about the mechanical aspects of the action.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 03:17 PM

I'm also under the impression that mechanically the action in the PX and CDP are exactly the same. The only difference being in the PX they are smarter, probably utilizing faster processing which may eventually result in better precision, playability, repetition detection, etc.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by RobR
I’m talking about the mechanical aspects of the action.


So am I. If "smart scaling" is a software feature, one can certainly ask if it only applies to the internal sound engine or external midi messages as well.

Originally Posted by RobR
It’s not the same action.



Casio to Release a Slim and Stylish Digital Piano—The Slimmest in the World:

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The newly developed Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard is what makes the slim 232mm depth possible.


CDP-S100 specs:

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Slim body just 232 mm in depth

Casio has applied its highly compact construction technologies to achieve a size that is even smaller than previous CDP series. This compact piano can be played anywhere, in your own style.


So, unless you wish to claim that two entirely separate actions were designed from the ground up, one for the CDP series and another for the PX series, and both just happened to result in a chassis 232mm deep, I believe the actions are the same. Or, at least have a lot in common.

I believe the PX series' Smart Scaled Hammer Action = the CDP series' Scaled Hammer Action II + software-based "smartness."
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 04:07 PM

Mike Martin of Casio, writing at the casio music forums:

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Let me make this clear. Both the PX-S series and CDP series have a new action. This is complete redesign from the ground up.

While they are very similar mechanically the PX-S series provide additional technology over the CDP series which provides the unique scaling of all 88 keys.


I have covered this previously in a thread dedicated to the CDP-S series.
Posted By: RobR

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 05:06 PM

I got it! but for me the fact that they used new technology makes it a new action for me and it does feel different to me compared to CDPs I played.

He said it in his seminar about the PXS-3000, he said the new action is a new one and it’s better than all their previous actions.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by RobR
I got it!


This matters to me because, in my country, the CDP-S100 will be priced at $500, while the PX-S3000 (includes stand + stool) will be priced at $1,000. If I can save $300-500 and use it towards a second (and better), dedicated piano later on, I would prefer to do that.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 10:27 PM

Hmm. A few people asked the same questions about the similarity between the CDP-S and PX-S actions over at The Keyboard Corner a couple of months back.


I am on page 14 (of 29) of PX-S thread. It surely is a page turner. Was the question answered? Stay tuned.
Posted By: RobR

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 11:06 PM

I don’t understand why you insist of making them similar. I’ve been following that MusicPlayer forum thread since its creation. I’ll save you the reading, there’re not the same action. The only similarities are those words: Hammer action, Casio, Privia. And that’s where the similarities end. Mike Martin said many times that they designed this new action from the ground up, including the smart scaling technology to the ivory key textures. He also said the action is better than any Privia action they did in the past.

Have you played the new Privias yet or are you just assuming they are similar? I’m curious.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/28/19 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by RobR
Have you played the new Privias yet


They haven't launched here yet. Will happen early June. In any case, a demo isn't very likely for logistical reasons on the part of the store I normally visit. My buying decision will have to rely upon my experience with the PX-560 and the CDP-235 actions.

Originally Posted by RobR
are you just assuming they are similar?


I am not assuming anything. "While they are very similar mechanically" are the words Mike has used to compare the CDP-S and PX-S actions.

The following two statements can be true at the same time:

  • The CDP-S and PX-S actions are the same as far as the mechanics are concerned.
  • The CDP-S and PX-S actions are not the same due to "smartness" added to the PX-S action.


Originally Posted by RobR
I’m curious.


I want a DP that I can use as a midi controller. The furniture/speakers etc are optional (I will take them if I get them).

If the CDP-S and PX-S actions are the same, mechanically, and:
  • the "smart scaling" only applies to the internal sound engine, I'd pick the CDP-S100.
  • the "smart scaling" also applies to midi messages sent to the host, I'd probably pick one of the Privias.


If they are not the same, mechanically, I'd probably pick one of the Privias.
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 12:40 PM

I played an S1000 at the dealer earlier today while picking up a DP.

I really, really liked the action - feels very precise and controllable and with a very pleasing amount of resistance. The texture of the actual keys is very nice to the touch. The keys and action by themselves are awesome and I would definitely be happy with this action in an instrument.

As for the sound of the thing I thought it was terrible - I literally could not find a single sound I enjoyed playing through the built in speakers - did not try it with headphones.

If Casio puts this action in an instrument with better physical controls instead of the god awful touch controls and with a sound engine that produces a pleasing piano sound I would definitely consider it when the lease for my ES8 runs out.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
If Casio puts this action in an instrument with better physical controls instead of the god awful touch controls and with a sound engine that produces a pleasing piano sound


If they do with this series what they did with the previous one, additional Privia and Celviano models should appear in the next year or two. Rumors/reading tea leaves on a couple of forums (from earlier in the year) suggest that another PX-S may launch this year while a PX-5S upgrade could launch in 2020.

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
As for the sound of the thing I thought it was terrible - I literally could not find a single sound I enjoyed playing through the built in speakers


Just to clarify, you don't like the sound generated by the sound engine, right? The speakers, in and by themselves, are okay?
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 02:32 PM

I've listened to all the sound demos of PX-S3000 posted on the Casio website (there's a link in this thread) through my headphones and I can't find a single one that I like. It's not about the speakers in the piano.
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 02:36 PM

@kj85: I couldn't tell you how much was because of the speakers and how much was the actual sound engine. I believe it's a combination of both. The demos I've heard recorded directly from the instrument sound decent if not great so I suspect it would be improved with headphones or external speakers.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
I've listened to all the sound demos of PX-S3000 posted on the Casio website (there's a link in this thread) through my headphones and I can't find a single one that I like.


These?

https://casio.jp/emi/products/pxs1000/
https://casio.jp/emi/products/pxs3000/

I also found this:

https://music.casio.co.uk/pxs1000

I am not very picky about the sound, as long as it sounds like a piano and isn't absolutely terrible.

Originally Posted by CyberGene
It's not about the speakers in the piano.

While I use decent $100 headphones (ATH-M50x), my computer speakers are USB-powered $5 white-labeled Chinese stuff. So, if I ever wanted to listen to my VSTs on speakers, I am sure the Casio ones would be far superior to my current solution.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
I suspect it would be improved with headphones or external speakers.


I use headphones about 95% of the time. So may not be an issue for me.

But, if the action is merely acceptable (there are better actions), the sound engine is sub-par (according to some people) and the speakers are sub-par (again, according to some people), one has to wonder what it is that one is getting when one pays $1,000 for an S3000.
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 05:04 PM

To me the action was way more than acceptable - I liked it more than any comparable DP price wise - it just felt really good. I’m not interested in pivot length or nuances of playing close to the board so your mileage will vary smile
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
I’m not interested in pivot length or nuances of playing close to the board so your mileage will vary smile


I have seen people playing into the keys, but, based on the current state of my playing, I may not get there for a few years.

After looking at a lot of models, I had originally considered getting the MP11SE but I was not willing to pay $4,500 for something that sells for half the price in other places.

So it looks like I am either getting a CDP-S100, or a PX-S3000 depending on what kind of deal I get.
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 06:04 PM

how much more are models like P515, FP-90, ES-8 compared to the S3000 where you are located? These might be worth looking into also - in my experience all of these sound way better and all have very nice actions as well.
The FP-90 sound is special in that it is modeled and not sampled and tends to put some people off while others love it for the playability.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
how much more are models like P515, FP-90, ES-8 compared to the S3000 where you are located?


FP-90: Roland availability is spotty (and warranty service is probably not on their radar). But if I manage to locate one, it would cost about $3,000.

P515: Yamaha doesn't sell this model in India. The P255 was not available either. The CLP645 is available though, for $2,200-2,500. But their warranty only covers the electronics, and that too only for one year.

ES-8: Should be easily available for about $1,800-$2,000.
Posted By: Morten Olsson

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 06:37 PM

Personally I would definitely go with the ES8 over the Casio for the sound - maybe you could demo each and see if you feel the same ?
Posted By: RobR

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 06:59 PM

All 3 have great action (FP-90, PX-S1000 and ES8). If you don't plan to use vsts and prefer an all-in-one machine for all your piano needs, ES8 was the best sounding to my ears through speakers. With headphones, they all sounded inferior to my spoiled ears that are used to stuff like VSL CFX, so don't take my word for it.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
Personally I would definitely go with the ES8 over the Casio for the sound - maybe you could demo each and see if you feel the same ?


I have played the CN37 which has the same RHIII action as the ES8 but with PHI, instead of HI-XL, as the sound engine. I am sure I won't have any issues with the sound.

Thing is, with something like the CDP-S100 (or even the PX-S1000), I don't have to restrict myself to just one. I can always get another DP in a few months if I feel like I am going to need one.

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I use a midi-controller with semi-weighted keys connected to a PC as a piano. While the action is not particularly conducive to piano playing, it is way better than my bulky Yamaha keyboard. And one benefit is I can keep playing while I am doing other stuff on the computer. (I am doing that even as I type this response)

So, I was looking for a DP that would replace the controller as the piano keyboard. With consoles, I would have had to adjust my workflow (introducing a second PC into the mix), and with the VPC1/MP11SE, I would have had to visit my carpenter's shop and have him make me a new wooden table+chair that would allow for positioning the slab.

These slim Casios look like they would make perfect midi-controllers and are almost a drop-in replacement for my existing controller (probably an inch-and-a-half taller, but that can be managed).

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There are weird considerations like these in addition to some models/brands simply not being available/being priced exorbitantly.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/29/19 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by RobR
If you don't plan to use vsts and prefer an all-in-one machine for all your piano needs


The PC connection is not negotiable. Even if I buy a stand-alone DP, I am going to want to connect it to a PC sooner rather than later.
Posted By: dlpro

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/30/19 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by dlpro
Can the PX-S3000 be used as a controller?

It has USB to host connection, so you can control a computer with software. However it doesn't have MIDI out and you can't use it to control other keyboards. There are some elaborate schemes that would allow to connect the USB cable to a powered USB hub and then connect the other keyboard with a USB cable to the same hub and then also connect an intermediate USB host to the hub which will forward the data between the two devices (the keyboards). People have also used iPhone as an intermediate host.


Thanks for the info, Gene.
Posted By: DaveLang

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/30/19 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
To me the action was way more than acceptable - I liked it more than any comparable DP price wise - it just felt really good. I’m not interested in pivot length or nuances of playing close to the board so your mileage will vary smile


I agree, the action on the PX-S3000 is far better than my StudioLogic SL88 STUDIO I bought last December. The SL88 is also noisy. In fact, I like it better than all of my keyboards except the Yamaha P515 which cost me close to $2K with the pedal and stand. I was wondering how I'd like the tectured surface. It's not over done and once your on it for a bit, other keyboards tend to feel less real. The key action is very clean and accurate with very little sideways movement. This is as good as I've seen it anywhere near this price range.

I use mainly tone #4 Studio Piano with the DSP setting set to compressor (wet level on 40). Also, bring up the dry level here to taste too. This works as parallel compression. This is where you have the combined compression with the original uneffected tone. The idea here is the compressor will bring up the low level nuance to the piano tone. This process helps bring up the subtle piano nuance to the tone and still have the some dynamic range since the dry signal was brought up a bit to pass through the compressor.






Posted By: Leon T

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/31/19 03:06 AM

I've played the S3000. It's got to be the best keyboard at that price range!
Posted By: havingfun

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 05/31/19 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by DaveLang
[quote=Morten Olsson]To me the action was way more than acceptable - I liked it more than any comparable DP price wise - it just felt really good. I’m not interested in pivot length or nuances of playing close to the board so your mileage will vary smile


I agree, the action on the PX-S3000 is far better than my StudioLogic SL88 STUDIO I bought last December. The SL88 is also noisy. In fact, I like it better than all of my keyboards except the Yamaha P515 which cost me close to $2K with the pedal and stand. I was wondering how I'd like the tectured surface. It's not over done and once your on it for a bit, other keyboards tend to feel less real. The key action is very clean and accurate with very little sideways movement. This is as good as I've seen it anywhere near this price range.

I use mainly tone #4 Studio Piano with the DSP setting set to compressor (wet level on 40). Also, bring up the dry level here to taste too. This works as parallel compression. This is where you have the combined compression with the original uneffected tone. The idea here is the compressor will bring up the low level nuance to the piano tone. This process helps bring up the subtle piano nuance to the tone and still have the some dynamic range since the dry signal was brought up a bit to pass through the compressor.






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Please provide more of your setting details (attack, release, ratio). I'd like to enhance #4 (Stage Piano on my S3000) to get a more "full" tone similar to #1 (Grand Piano Concert) while avoiding some resonance problems I hear with the Concert Grand on particular notes when sustain is on.
Posted By: Martin Kulig

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/01/19 05:43 AM

Here is a nice comparison videos for:
Casio PX-S 3000
Yamaha CP88
Korg Grandstage
Dexibel Vivo S7 Pro

If you are a good piano player, you can make the music sound amazing on all of these instruments!

Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/01/19 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Martin Kulig
If you are a good piano player, you can make the music sound amazing on all of these instruments!


What about the rest of us?!

Nice demos, BTW. The PX-S3000 definitely sounds nice. I don't know what everyone is complaining about.
Posted By: Martin Kulig

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/01/19 11:17 AM

Kj85 I wanted to say that it is more important to focus on playing, improving techniques and getting a good feel for the music than focusing too much on the gear.
Sure there are differences between models but as long as you like it, you are good.
The moment you buy something, there will always be something better released but for now, I’m very happy with my PX-S3000 and it will be like that hopefully for the next couple of years.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/01/19 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Martin Kulig
Kj85 I wanted to say that it is more important to focus on playing, improving techniques and getting a good feel for the music than focusing too much on the gear.
Sure there are differences between models but as long as you like it, you are good.
The moment you buy something, there will always be something better released but for now, I’m very happy with my PX-S3000 and it will be like that hopefully for the next couple of years.

I'm partly onboard with kj85 and partly onboard with you. I agree with you that learning, practicing, playing, and improving is the true path. But I recently upgraded myself from a starter Roland FP30 to a Yamaha Avantgrand N1X, and I am finding myself playing it about twice as much as I played the FP30 before. There is just something about a nice piano that makes one want to play it more. So I'd agree with kj85 at least partly - for me having a nice piano that feels nice (action) and sounds nice, can lead one to the "playing, improving techniques and getting a good feel for the music" that you are recommending.
Posted By: kj85

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/01/19 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Martin Kulig
Kj85 I wanted to say that it is more important to focus on playing, improving techniques and getting a good feel for the music than focusing too much on the gear.


While I said that in jest, there is a kernel of truth in there. There is a reason these companies get good musicians to show off their models, be it the entry level ones or the very high end. People listen to the wonderful playing and feel they can hope to be just as good. But it is really up to you: your ability, will and stamina. Professionals can make almost anything work, almost. The rest of us need some hand-holding.

And you are right about technique. I hurt my left wrist today playing the keyboard after a long time of using just the midi controller. While I complain about the controller a lot, it is semi-weighted and requires some effort to press the keys and keep it pressed; 55gms to get the keys moving and about 95gms to hit the bed. The keyboard, on the other hand, is unweighted and my weaker hand couldn't make the shift easily, I suppose.

I have heard about a lot of people injuring themselves when playing only the piano. So yes, key action, speed, position, technique; everything matters.

Originally Posted by Martin Kulig
The moment you buy something, there will always be something better released but for now, I’m very happy with my PX-S3000 and it will be like that hopefully for the next couple of years.

This is both bad and good. The '90s and early '00s were a very good time for computer enthusiasts. Doubling of CPU performance almost every two years. And then things suddenly came to a standstill with every generation only bringing in incremental upgrades.

I think DPs should improve to such an extent that everyone who wants one can have access to an affordable grand piano in a box.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/01/19 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by kj85
This is both bad and good. The '90s and early '00s were a very good time for computer enthusiasts. Doubling of CPU performance almost every two years. And then things suddenly came to a standstill with every generation only bringing in incremental upgrades.

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Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 10:52 AM

Out of all the pianos in the comparison I think the Dexibell sounds the nicest followed by the Yamaha , the Casio can sound a lot better after you tweak it , and the Korg Grand Stage does not have a crisp clean sound ,maybe it could have been tweaked to sound better .
Posted By: RobR

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 11:02 AM

I was underwhelmed by the sounds when i played Dexibell S9. Then i later i found that the unit i played did not have the Platinum sounds downloaded to it (Italian, German, American grand etc..). So i don't know how much my impression would change if those sounds were there.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 12:40 PM

Rob , on my Dexibell S3 the Vivo Grand sounds okay but when I hit the switch to the Japanese platinum Grand it sounds a lot nicer . If you try you can get the Vivo grand to sound nicer also by turning up the hammer noise to 10 or 20, it cleans the sound up .
Posted By: RobR

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 01:26 PM

Will ask the dealer to download them next time i take a trip. Thanks.
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 02:08 PM

In case anyone missed, more favorable reviews of the S1000/S3000:

https://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2019/05/casio-pxs1000-review-digital-piano-portable-low-price.html

https://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2019/05/casio-pxs3000-review-digital-piano-portable-low-price.html
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 02:29 PM

I was amused by “a new proprietary key technology that allows each key to have a slightly different weight”... they just reinvented what Yamaha calls Linear Graded Hammer. I don’t think making a different weight for each key is very “proprietary”.
Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
I was amused by “a new proprietary key technology that allows each key to have a slightly different weight”... they just reinvented what Yamaha calls Linear Graded Hammer. I don’t think making a different weight for each key is very “proprietary”.

Haha, indeed laugh But as has been previously discussed AZPianos reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt to put it mildly smile
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
I was amused by “a new proprietary key technology that allows each key to have a slightly different weight”... they just reinvented what Yamaha calls Linear Graded Hammer. I don’t think making a different weight for each key is very “proprietary”.


Or what Roland apparently does in all their models. (Individually weighted keys.)

Or was it so that in Casio PX-S they all have the same physical weight, but the software does the scaling/grading(?)
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by CyberGene
But as has been previously discussed AZPianos reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt to put it mildly smile


I see... you don’t trust what they have written “The #1 Most Trusted Digital Piano Review” smile

But you are surely in the right.
Posted By: RobR

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 02:58 PM

I like this guy's reviews : https://www.pianodreamers.com/casio-px-s1000-review/
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
I was amused by “a new proprietary key technology that allows each key to have a slightly different weight”... they just reinvented what Yamaha calls Linear Graded Hammer. I don’t think making a different weight for each key is very “proprietary”.
Casio's new technology is not actually putting different weights on the keys, but rather using software to adjust the response of the keys to somewhat simulate having different weights on the keys. From their original press release:

Quote
88-Key Digital Scaling creates a grand piano-like touch:
The touch of a grand piano varies with the differences in size and weight of the hammers over each of the 88 keys. The PX-S1000/S3000 models deliver the feeling of playing a grand piano through a meticulous key-by-key digital simulation of these subtle differences in touch.
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/02/19 06:36 PM

Then it is more about a touch sensitivity curve than a weight.
Posted By: 36251

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/07/19 02:18 AM

I just picked up PX S3000 today. Amazing. Great action and feel of keys. I really enjoyed the internal Demos. One fail for Casio IMO, was to put a kickass Rhodes sound in the 3rd Demo but not give you a preset of it. It should of been the 1st preset of Electric Piano section.

****If I am mistaken and the sound is a preset then I hope someone will point this out to me****
Posted By: U3piano

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/11/19 08:20 PM

So, does the Pxs3000 have more or better piano sounds compared to the Pxs1000?

I have no interest in anything but the best possible touch and piano sound. Does the pxs3000 have any advantage there?

If not, the pxs1000 is so affordable i might just pull the trigger as soon as i can try one.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/11/19 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by U3piano
So, does the Pxs3000 have more or better piano sounds compared to the Pxs1000?

I have no interest in anything but the best possible touch and piano sound. Does the pxs3000 have any advantage there?

If not, the pxs1000 is so affordable i might just pull the trigger as soon as i can try one.


This video outlines the differences between the PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 and may help you decide:


Differences between Casio Privia PX-S1000 and PX-S3000
Posted By: John_C

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/12/19 01:58 AM

The Casio PX-S3000 uses the AiR Sound engine but with a new set of samples. It supposedly produces much better sound quality.

While the S1000 has only 18 sounds, the S3000 comes with 700 sounds, including a bunch of extra piano sounds such as 70s-style Wurlitzer and Rhodes sounds. Being a hybrid of piano and arranger, it also has 200 rhythms, 310 presets, 12 auto harmonies and 100 arpeggiators.

I have not seen or heard one of these "in the wild" yet and that's probably a good thing as I'm sure I'd buy it on the spot. I so want one of these but I have a brand new PX-160 that's barely a month old!
Posted By: U3piano

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/12/19 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by PianoManChuck

This video outlines the differences between the PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 and may help you decide:

Differences between Casio Privia PX-S1000 and PX-S3000


Thanks, that is very helpful indeed! Good to know that the Px1000 might last twice as long on batteries compared to the Px3000. (according to the manuals, i wonder if the difference is that big in reality)

But im still not sure if the Pxs1000 has got all the same piano sounds as the Pxs3000? Like the stage piano preset mentioned in this thread, people seem to like it. Im not talking about rhodes, wurlitzers or electric piano's, just the true acoustic piano sounds, are they all exactly the same in both piano's? Or do they potentially sound different because of added dsp effects on the Pxs3000?
Posted By: RobR

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/12/19 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by U3piano
[Thanks, that is very helpful indeed! Good to know that the Px1000 might last twice as long on batteries compared to the Px3000. (according to the manuals, i wonder if the difference is that big in reality)

But im still not sure if the Pxs1000 has got all the same piano sounds as the Pxs3000? Like the stage piano preset mentioned in this thread, people seem to like it. Or do they potentially sound different because of added dsp effects on the Pxs3000?

The PXS-3000 has more piano sounds. The stage piano preset is not in the PXS-1000. And yes it's a result of the dsp effects capabilities on the PXS-3000. Same thing with the Ambient piano preset on the PXS-3000.
Posted By: U3piano

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/12/19 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by RobR
The PXS-3000 has more piano sounds. The stage piano preset is not in the PXS-1000. And yes it's a result of the dsp effects capabilities on the PXS-3000. Same thing with the Ambient piano preset on the PXS-3000.



Damn, that makes decisions more complicated. crazy

Thanks for the answer.
Posted By: 36251

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/12/19 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by RobR
Originally Posted by U3piano
[Thanks, that is very helpful indeed! Good to know that the Px1000 might last twice as long on batteries compared to the Px3000. (according to the manuals, i wonder if the difference is that big in reality)

But im still not sure if the Pxs1000 has got all the same piano sounds as the Pxs3000? Like the stage piano preset mentioned in this thread, people seem to like it. Or do they potentially sound different because of added dsp effects on the Pxs3000?

The PXS-3000 has more piano sounds. The stage piano preset is not in the PXS-1000. And yes it's a result of the dsp effects capabilities on the PXS-3000. Same thing with the Ambient piano preset on the PXS-3000.


PX-S3000 does has more piano sounds, but they are all generated from one sample set.
Posted By: Martin Kulig

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/13/19 02:02 PM

Well, most of the time, I have to admit that I just use the first piano sound on the PX-S 3000 for practicing:
[Tone] Piano
001:GrPnoConcert

There are 24 sounds in the piano category.
4 in harpsichords which is a subcategory of piano.
24 E.Piano
6 Clavi
12 Vibraphone
...

The 3000 wasn’t that much more expensive than the 1000 and I like the option that I can play around with all the other sounds whenever I’m in the mood for it.
Also the rhythms come in handy for practicing to get the timing right.
It’s more interesting than the tic tac of the usual metronome.
But if you only need a good piano than the 1000 should be fine.
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/13/19 02:31 PM

I'd only need the S1000 piano sounds, but I would like to occasionally record .wav files to a USB stick. I believe only the S3000 can do that. Not sure it's worth $200 more for that particular feature, tho.
Posted By: U3piano

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/13/19 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Steve.L
I'd only need the S1000 piano sounds, but I would like to occasionally record .wav files to a USB stick. I believe only the S3000 can do that. Not sure it's worth $200 more for that particular feature, tho.


If it's really just occasionally, and you don't want to buy the S3000 just for that function, maybe you could do it by connecting the line out to a pc?

Or maybe even by a bluetooth connection to a pc? I don't know if the bluetooth audio on these casio's works both ways, but you can play music over it's speakers with a bluetooth connection. Does anyone know if it's also able to send it's sound to a bluetooth connected device?
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/13/19 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by U3piano
Originally Posted by Steve.L
I'd only need the S1000 piano sounds, but I would like to occasionally record .wav files to a USB stick. I believe only the S3000 can do that. Not sure it's worth $200 more for that particular feature, tho.


If it's really just occasionally, and you don't want to buy the S3000 just for that function, maybe you could do it by connecting the line out to a pc?
Ya, that would work, along with some audio capture software on the PC. Not as convenient as just sticking a USB stick into the piano, tho.

AFAIK, it's bluetooth receive-only for audio. No outgoing bluetooth. Not even for MIDI, like the ES110 in the same price range. ES110 can't stream BT audio, however.
Posted By: 36251

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/13/19 07:16 PM

Even at the higher price the S3000 is still a remarkably low priced instrument and you get more extra features that will make it more appealing if you ever decide to sell it.
Posted By: Martin Kulig

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/14/19 12:08 AM

The direct to USB stick recording for audio or midi are very convenient features of the PX-S 3000.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/14/19 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Martin Kulig
The direct to USB stick recording for audio or midi are very convenient features of the PX-S 3000.

If it's similar to the Casio AP470 where the audio file needs to go via a DAW to increase the gain (due to the limited volume when recording straight to USB) - sorry to say, but it is not that convenient.
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/14/19 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
If it's similar to the Casio AP470 where the audio file needs to go via a DAW to increase the gain (due to the limited volume when recording straight to USB) - sorry to say, but it is not that convenient.
Anyone with a 3000 try recording to a USB stick yet?
Posted By: 36251

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/15/19 03:56 PM

I'm trying to set up a registration with electric piano and pad (and split bass.) What I can't seem to figure out is are assigning the knobs. I want knob1 to be volume of pad, which I did, but I can't figure out how to choose knob2 (not sure what I want it for, probably some DSP for electric piano. Any help?
Posted By: brooster

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/18/19 12:33 AM

Piano Dreamers Casio PX-S3000 review: The Dark Horse of Mid-Range Digital Pianos
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/18/19 01:49 AM


When did the PX-S3000 become a mid-range digital piano? Isn't it about the same price as a FP30? My old piano was an FP30 and it is an entry level digital piano.

Of course, when talking about electronic keyboards, and not digital pianos, it might be different. Entry level might be closer to $100 so yes, then I can see the PX-S3000 as a mid-range among electronic keyboards.
Posted By: Groove On

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/18/19 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
When did the PX-S3000 become a mid-range digital piano? Isn't it about the same price as a FP30? My old piano was an FP30 and it is an entry level digital piano.

It’s an unfortunate choice of words on the reviewer’s part. He calls it “mid-range” because of the features - not the price. He doesn’t mention this until the very end, so it’s a bit misleading.
Originally Posted by (FROM REVIEW of PX-S3000)
Most stage pianos and digital pianos that have functionality similar to the PX-S3000 cost well over $1000, which make Casio pioneers in some way ... the Yamaha CP88, Korg Grandstage and Dexibell VIVO S7 Pro ... As you can see most of these instruments cost more than double the price of the PX-S3000.
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Posted By: JoeT

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/18/19 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

When did the PX-S3000 become a mid-range digital piano? Isn't it about the same price as a FP30? My old piano was an FP30 and it is an entry level digital piano.

For Casio's market it is "mid-range". wink
Posted By: Maconi

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/26/19 05:08 AM

If I have a budget around $500 and place top priority on key action (would be using the DP at home with external monitors and something like Pianoteq) would I be better off with the Casio PX-S1000/S3000 or the Roland FP-30? Basically looking for the best digital piano key action controller around $500 and it seems to come down to these (since stuff like the FP-90, VPC-1, and what not are out of the price range).
Posted By: navindra

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/26/19 05:24 AM

I'm biased against the Roland because it sounds like Pianoteq to me. However, that doesn't matter to you, since you like Pianoteq.

You might want to know that neither the Casio nor the Roland have legacy MIDI ports. The Roland has Bluetooth MIDI, while the Casio doesn't.

The Casio has hi-res MIDI, whatever that means. Not sure about the Roland.

The Casio is said to have a shorter pivot distance, given the form factor, so playing at the back of the keys may require more effort than the Roland.

Other than that, you'll have to try it for yourself. No other way to know.

You should include Yamaha in your comparison. For example, the P-125 should be in your price range.
Posted By: Maconi

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/26/19 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by navindra
I'm biased against the Roland because it sounds like Pianoteq to me. However, that doesn't matter to you, since you like Pianoteq.

You might want to know that neither the Casio nor the Roland have legacy MIDI ports. The Roland has Bluetooth MIDI, while the Casio doesn't.

The Casio has hi-res MIDI, whatever that means. Not sure about the Roland.

The Casio is said to have a shorter pivot distance, given the form factor, so playing at the back of the keys may require more effort than the Roland.

Other than that, you'll have to try it for yourself. No other way to know.

You should include Yamaha in your comparison. For example, the P-125 should be in your price range.


Thanks for the input, I don't have any preference for Pianoteq though (I don't own any virtual piano software yet, I'll go down that rabbit hole once I figure out the physical piano lol). Both the Casio and Roland have MIDI over USB, right (which is probably what I would use for the virtual piano)?

I've seen a lot of people mention the pivot distance on the Casio. The fact that it's only a "2 sensor" (technically 3 sensor through some unknown magic) is another concern I've read. I've sadly been unable to find both in the same store for a fair A/B test so far (and with my inexperience I'm not sure I'd be able to appreciate the difference/limitations yet although I'd like to future-proof as much as possible, within budget that is).
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/26/19 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by navindra
The Casio has hi-res MIDI, whatever that means. Not sure about the Roland.

This means that the Casio measure the velocity with more than 127 values.
Posted By: navindra

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/26/19 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Maconi
Thanks for the input, I don't have any preference for Pianoteq though (I don't own any virtual piano software yet, I'll go down that rabbit hole once I figure out the physical piano lol). Both the Casio and Roland have MIDI over USB, right (which is probably what I would use for the virtual piano)?

I've seen a lot of people mention the pivot distance on the Casio. The fact that it's only a "2 sensor" (technically 3 sensor through some unknown magic) is another concern I've read. I've sadly been unable to find both in the same store for a fair A/B test so far (and with my inexperience I'm not sure I'd be able to appreciate the difference/limitations yet although I'd like to future-proof as much as possible, within budget that is).


Ah, well that changes things. If you haven't gone down the VST rabbit hole, I strongly suggest you pay attention to the native sound engines. Once you adjust things like your preferred touch curve, etc, your supposed need for a VST might well evaporate.

Check out PianoManChuck, Andertons, etc, on YouTube. They cover a lot of ground on how these actions feel, etc. Some of them don't pull any punches.

The Casio uses software smarts with a 2 sensor system. It's good enough to achieve hi-res MIDI, which might matter if you go the Pianoteq route.
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/26/19 07:13 AM

I like the “unknown magic” term. It is difficult to guess what the software could infer if it has not enough information, are there drawbacks, etc. (Are there special sensors with 2 threshold...)
Posted By: spanishbuddha

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/29/19 07:09 PM

I managed to play the PX-S1000 in a store today for the first time. It’s OK. Seems good value for the price. But of course it has competition at that price level. I wasn’t blown away and in the store at least the speakers seemed underwhelming. Backward facing the sound got lost. Might be ok in a room.The unit was not mounted flat (why do they do that!) but the action seemed fine, I played some arpeggios close to the back between the black keys and it was ok. Sure there is resistance as you get towards back but it seems controllable at least 2/3 along from the front of the blacks. I didn’t explore re-triggering key level to see if I could fathom it had two sensors. The action seems less authentic compared to an ES110 which was close by, but I don’t think that was a bad thing for a plastic action, it was less noisy than I expected for a Casio, and smoother than the ES110. I would consider it if batteries and weight were high on my list, but the low perceived sound level from the speakers needs checking under different conditions.
Posted By: Ralphiano

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/30/19 03:22 AM

I played the PX 1000 yesterday and was likewise underwhelmed. That saddened me as I was hoping it might be a satisfactory replacement for my VPC1/Pianoteq rig. But, it just wasn't good enough.

The sound volume was weak. And its tone was sustantially less piano-like than the PX-770 sitting next to it. The keybed felt much like the keys of the PX-760 I unfortunately sold 6 months ago. I really miss that 760. But, the new PX 1000 seems a step backwards to me.
Posted By: Ralphiano

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/30/19 03:26 AM

I forgot to mention that one of the review videos of the new px 1000 says it is 2 sensors coupled with some technology that always knows the key's position, making a third sensor unnecessary.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/30/19 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Ralphiano
I played the PX 1000 yesterday and was likewise underwhelmed. That saddened me as I was hoping it might be a satisfactory replacement for my VPC1/Pianoteq rig. But, it just wasn't good enough.

Are you using the Pianoteq velocity curves that were customized for the VPC1?
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 06/30/19 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Ralphiano
I forgot to mention that one of the review videos of the new px 1000 says it is 2 sensors coupled with some technology that always knows the key's position, making a third sensor unnecessary.

A single optical sensor with a grayscale flag would make the Casio knowing the key’s position... but it costs more than a usual 3 sensors set. Then how the Casio knows the key’s position with only 2 sensors remains a mystery.
Posted By: Maconi

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/01/19 07:02 PM

I took a trip to my local Guitar Center and tried every keyboard/piano they had available.

They only had 3 Yamahas with piano-like key actions. The DGX-660 felt alright but the keys felt a bit hollow/cheap. The YDP-143 had a somewhat similar key action but the keys felt nicer and the action felt like it had a high return pressure/resistance if that makes sense (felt like the keys were pushing against my fingers wanting to return to the neutral position). The P-125 felt like the keys were in syrup or something; a really sluggish key action in both directions.

The only Roland they had with a piano-like key action was the DS-880. It actually had a pretty decent key action but the keys were kind of rattly (technically the whole piano was). If I had to choose between the Yamahas and the Roland I'd probably go with the Roland (though the YDP-143 is a close second, if only the keys didn't push against your fingers so much)..

Finally the Casio PX-S1000. It actually felt pretty similar to the YDP-143, but rather than having high return pressure the key action just felt a bit dull. Something was missing although I couldn't quite pinpoint what. It may have been the short pivot point people keep mentioning (it almost felt like I wasn't pushing the keys all the way down). It was definitely harder to play further up on the keys vs the other pianos.

Vs the older Casios the S1000 felt pretty similar, although the key action was MUCH quieter.

They didn't have a Roland FP-30 or FP-90 there to test with the Casio so I still have no idea how those compare (no Kawai pianos either).

I did try a bunch of the "Williams" brand pianos while I was there and they felt surprisingly similar to the Casios. Does Casio license their key actions to Williams or something?
Posted By: vara411

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/01/19 08:40 PM

I recently visited my local store and compared a Yamaha P125, Roland FP10, Casio PX-160, and PX-S1000.

My first disappointment was Yamaha's same ol' GHS keyboard. After playing the Casios and especially the Rolands, the Yamaha action seemed so mushy and lifeless to me.

The second disappointment was the quality of the piano sounds coming out of the Casios. They just sound tinny and decay far too quickly. The PX-160 had better speakers so it was less noticeable... had I not heard the pianos of the Yamahas and Rolands back-to-back I may have found the 160 acceptable... but the S1000 was a real letdown. It's like a step backwards. Casio needs to get with the program, here. (I have not played the S3000 yet. Don't know if the sound is any different.)

The Roland was, in my opinion, the best. The hammer action with escapement feels much more realistic than the Yamaha, and more solid than the Casio. The piano sounds also sounded quite good, though I do feel like it does not sound as full compared to its bigger brother, the FP30.
Posted By: macbit

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/05/19 12:26 PM

Hello. I'm about to buy my first piano. I've come down to three choices - The Pxs1000, Pxs3000 and the Roland FP-10.
Which would be a better choice for an absolute beginner- the PXS1000 or the Pxs3000. Is the extra $200 investment for the pxs3000 worth it? And is PXS1000 better than the Roland FP-10?
I would appreciate some help as I cannot play any of them before purchasing. Thanks.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/05/19 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by macbit
Hello. I'm about to buy my first piano. I've come down to three choices - The Pxs1000, Pxs3000 and the Roland FP-10.
Which would be a better choice for an absolute beginner- the PXS1000 or the Pxs3000. Is the extra $200 investment for the pxs3000 worth it? And is PXS1000 better than the Roland FP-10?
I would appreciate some help as I cannot play any of them before purchasing. Thanks.


A couple of points:

Firstly, if this purchase is for an absolute beginner, truth be told either of the 3 models will be fine - and you'll be none the wiser.

Secondly, if you are purely after playing piano and using only the piano sound then the both of the Casio's share the same main piano sounds (with the 3000 having only a few more piano sounds and a myriad of other sounds and a whole host of beats etc.), so you can get to decide if you want/need the extra sounds whether to pay the additional sum or save yourself some cash.

Lastly, I haven't tried the Casio action on these new PXS so cannot vouch how good/bad it is. I have played on the FP action though and that I can say from a personal experience and viewpoint that it's a great action for the price range of the FP10 (the sound is so so though because the speakers are positioned on the underneath of the unit).

I don't want to give you a conundrum here but maybe you see where I am going with this. The Casio probably sounds better but the Roland probably plays better...however, going back to my first point, none of the above will probably matter to a complete beginner (because in this case, ignorance is bliss).
Posted By: MarioPf

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/05/19 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by macbit
Hello. I'm about to buy my first piano. I've come down to three choices - The Pxs1000, Pxs3000 and the Roland FP-10.
Which would be a better choice for an absolute beginner- the PXS1000 or the Pxs3000. Is the extra $200 investment for the pxs3000 worth it? And is PXS1000 better than the Roland FP-10?
I would appreciate some help as I cannot play any of them before purchasing. Thanks.


These models are different in terms of sound and touch but have a similar quality (PX-3000 has more sounds). They are between the best option for a first Digital Piano (with Kawai ES110, Yamaha P-125 and Roland FP-30). The advice is always to try these models and choose what you think is the best option for you. This is not easy for an absolute beginner because you don't know what to expect from a DP. You could find a place where you can also try acoustic pianos to compare.

To have a better DP you should consider these models: Roland FP-90, Kawai ES-8, Yamaha P-515.
Posted By: AlphaBravoCharlie

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/05/19 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw

Lastly, I haven't tried the Casio action on these new PXS so cannot vouch how good/bad it is. I have played on the FP action though and that I can say from a personal experience and viewpoint that it's a great action for the price range of the FP10 (the sound is so so though because the speakers are positioned on the underneath of the unit).

Action on Roland FP10 is the same as in FP30. It's very nice. Much better than Yamaha's GHS and a bit better than new Casios.

Originally Posted by jamiecw

I don't want to give you a conundrum here but maybe you see where I am going with this. The Casio probably sounds better but the Roland probably plays better...however, going back to my first point, none of the above will probably matter to a complete beginner (because in this case, ignorance is bliss).


No, no, no. I don't get all that excitement about it. Casio does not sound near as nice as Roland. On FP-10 you have the same good old Supernatural piano, which you can find on FP80, RD300/700NX series. Good dynamic range, no looping, interesting Steinway-ish metallic timbre. I've tried new PX-S series. They sound better than old Privias, but still plasticy and plinky-plonky. I've owned PX320 and later PX5-S, so I'm not a Casio-hater. It's just not the level of Roland's APs.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/05/19 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie

No, no, no. I don't get all that excitement about it. Casio does not sound near as nice as Roland. On FP-10 you have the same good old Supernatural piano, which you can find on FP80, RD300/700NX series. Good dynamic range, no looping, interesting Steinway-ish metallic timbre. I've tried new PX-S series. They sound better than old Privias, but still plasticy and plinky-plonky. I've owned PX320 and later PX5-S, so I'm not a Casio-hater. It's just not the level of Roland's APs.


I am with you (Roland > Casio), was trying to sound less of a snob towards Casio, but you are right let's call it what it is.
Posted By: macbit

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/05/19 02:59 PM

Thank you very much guys. Considering that I am interested in only piano sounds I should choose between the Pxs1000 and the FP-10. The problem here in India is that you cannot try them before buying as the pianos are not kept on open display. It makes choosing one difficult as you then have to rely on forums and youtube videos to make a choice.
Should the apps (Chordana and Piano Partner) make a difference to my decision to choose between Casio and Roland? I would be using the app quite a lot as i am a beginner.
Posted By: AlphaBravoCharlie

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/05/19 03:06 PM

*Disclaimer

When I was talking about piano sound, I meant headphone sound. I have no idea, how PX-S speakers play, nor I have about FP10. I had FP30 for a while and there it was great for such a small instrument (a bit too much bass).
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/05/19 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by macbit

Should the apps (Chordana and Piano Partner) make a difference to my decision to choose between Casio and Roland? I would be using the app quite a lot as i am a beginner.


I would not let the app steer my choice of a digital piano. I had a Casio in the past (AP470) and the Chordana app offers a Synthesia type deal with the built in songs and the novelty wore off very quickly and learned nothing from it. And if you want to learn to read music I'd steer clear from that because all you will learn is where to press (unless you are okay with that) - for me is a bit like trying to learn a new language by buying a tourist guide book with the most useful phrases..besides learning to read music is not that hard, it just needs practice like everything else in life.

The Roland app is pretty much an extension to the piano shortcut keys e.g. press this and that key to get this outcome...and if there are any built in songs it will show you the score.

PS the Casio is a two-sensor action whereas the Roland is a tri-sensor, (apparently the Casio does the tri-sensor in software). Also the Roland has escapement like real pianos do and it's a bonus to have but won't add much to your learning at this early stage in your path. Both are good IMO but I am edging towards the Roland because I had the FP30 and it was a good piano.
Posted By: macbit

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/05/19 04:30 PM

Thank you. I should be getting one of these in the next few days!
Posted By: Martin Kulig

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/06/19 04:21 PM

I was first excited about using Chordana Play for Piano with the PX-S 3000.
While it helps to navigate the sounds and rhythms as well as changing setups for splits, layers, dsp settings and so on, it fails as a piano teaching app.

I hope Casio will reintroduce the notes display for the midi player in Chordana Play for Piano as it is in the normal Chordana Play.
Why are there even two apps in the first place for almost the same thing but than crippled the new one?

Playing Songs by pressing keys for falling blocks is fun for simple songs and why not. Fun is important.
But how can you learn more complex and faster songs when suddenly whole walls of blocks fall towards you?

Reeding sheet music is more complicated in the beginning but very rewarding once it starts to make sense.
There are other apps that use sheet music and they are a great learning experience.
Posted By: Sweelinck

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/06/19 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Steve.L
Originally Posted by U3piano
Originally Posted by Steve.L
I'd only need the S1000 piano sounds, but I would like to occasionally record .wav files to a USB stick. I believe only the S3000 can do that. Not sure it's worth $200 more for that particular feature, tho.


If it's really just occasionally, and you don't want to buy the S3000 just for that function, maybe you could do it by connecting the line out to a pc?
Ya, that would work, along with some audio capture software on the PC. Not as convenient as just sticking a USB stick into the piano, tho.

AFAIK, it's bluetooth receive-only for audio. No outgoing bluetooth. Not even for MIDI, like the ES110 in the same price range. ES110 can't stream BT audio, however.

You’d also need either a recording interface to do digitization, or a VST piano or other piano engine than can generate digital output. The Casio cannot generate digital PCM output. You can output either analog or midi from the PX-S1000. You can route analog output through a recording interface to do A/D conversion or you can have a VST to receive midi and generate digital content. Some midi modules (e.g. integra-7, motif) will do digital output.
Posted By: navindra

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/09/19 01:00 AM

I couldn't discern any real difference between the action on the PX-S and the older PX series. The Casio action seems to have just the right hammer bounce to feel alive... unlike the comparable Yamaha's at Guitar Center, which felt quite dead and dull to me. Obviously, the Casio action is not the Grand Feel II, but it's a great compromise given the portable design.

I couldn't discern any difference in sound either between the PX-S and older PX, but I didn't have headphones and a sound comparison is otherwise impossible at GC. Although the speakers are facing the back, and might do well against a wall, there are sound ports in the Casio pointed at the player.

There's always Pianoteq, amirite?

List of tones on the PX-S3000 here.
Posted By: Crusaderrabbit

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 07:49 AM

Sorry for hijacking thread a bit - is there a PX-3000 equivalent (lightweight stage piano, speakers, plenty of sounds, relative price point, good action) but with Midi Out - so can be used to control external keyboard? Nearly pulled trigger on this but ideally need this function

Thanks in advance

CR
Posted By: MarioPf

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Crusaderrabbit
Sorry for hijacking thread a bit - is there a PX-3000 equivalent (lightweight stage piano, speakers, plenty of sounds, relative price point, good action) but with Midi Out - so can be used to control external keyboard? Nearly pulled trigger on this but ideally need this function

Thanks in advance

CR


The is another Casio: PX-560.
Posted By: Crusaderrabbit

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 10:20 AM

Ah yes - the PX-560. This would be the perfect solution in many ways except I just can't get to grips with the aesthetic of it - just looks cheap and plasticky to me (have seen/played it in person) - gives me zero GAS! Am really hoping Casio are bringing out a new version soon with the same/improved functionality but more of the look/feel of the PX-S3000 as that would be ideal
Posted By: MarioPf

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Crusaderrabbit
Ah yes - the PX-560. This would be the perfect solution in many ways except I just can't get to grips with the aesthetic of it - just looks cheap and plasticky to me (have seen/played it in person) - gives me zero GAS! Am really hoping Casio are bringing out a new version soon with the same/improved functionality but more of the look/feel of the PX-S3000 as that would be ideal


I bought a PX-560 because I took a great deal. From videos and pictures it can looks cheap because it´s colour and screen, but when I saw it at home I loved his color and it doesn't feel cheap as a whole. But it has some "cheap features", some buttons feel cheap (especially the turn on/off button), the spacing between white keys in uneven, it has a plastic stand, it has many sounds, some goods but many no so, and the piano sounds are just ok (or less).
Posted By: MarioPf

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 11:09 AM

One information I could not find on these new Casio models is if they have the hammer delay function. I had something like these in my old Roland but I could no find any difference but in the PX-560 is makes has huge impact to me. It is set by default to 0 (no delay) and it was very difficult to me to play trills and other fast note blocks, but when I set it to 5 or 6 I feel that the action become much more natural and that I could play trills much more easily.
Posted By: Crusaderrabbit

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 11:19 AM

I agree that the PX560 does actually look better in person than online, but it just doesn't do it for me. So many good features at such a good price point savings have had to be made elsewhere I think.

What I need is a good stage piano, with plenty of sounds, for under £1000, that's portable, (battery if possible) and has speakers so can 'busk' with it but then can also be used as a hammer action controller for something more synth like (MODX6 for example). Have limited budget but quite a few possible scenarios that apply gigging so trying to keep my options flexible by going with two boards.
Posted By: MarioPf

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 11:28 AM

I've bought the PX-560 because my old Roland reached a point of no return. I've no regrets, but if I could wait I would wait for a new model (today I will hang on for the PX-S5000) or save more money to buy something like a Kawai ES-8.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Crusaderrabbit
Sorry for hijacking thread a bit - is there a PX-3000 equivalent (lightweight stage piano, speakers, plenty of sounds, relative price point, good action) but with Midi Out - so can be used to control external keyboard?

Casio PX-360
Posted By: macbit

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 06:29 PM

hi.. after the help I received here I got myself the Roland FP-10 instead of the PXS1000. One of the reasons I didn't buy the Casio is the lack of Bluetooth midi. Spending $40 for an Apple lightning to camera adapter on top of the $100 extra for the piano was pushing the price out of my budget. I wonder why casio did not provide Bluetooth midi.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/10/19 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by macbit
hi.. after the help I received here I got myself the Roland FP-10 instead of the PXS1000. One of the reasons I didn't buy the Casio is the lack of Bluetooth midi. Spending $40 for an Apple lightning to camera adapter on top of the $100 extra for the piano was pushing the price out of my budget. I wonder why casio did not provide Bluetooth midi.

You’ve done yourself a huge favour - I held out commenting on the new PXS1/3K series as I’ve not try it till now. A mediocre action at best and a complete fabrication that it’s easily playable near the fall-board. Whoever says that just wants to sell them. Sorry, but it’s like that. On the other hand the FP10/30s PH4 action at least feels pianistic. The shop had them side by side and the difference is so obvious as to which one reigns on the touch department. Well done on your purchase - the Roland will carry you a fair way.
Posted By: 36251

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/12/19 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by macbit
hi.. after the help I received here I got myself the Roland FP-10 instead of the PXS1000. One of the reasons I didn't buy the Casio is the lack of Bluetooth midi. Spending $40 for an Apple lightning to camera adapter on top of the $100 extra for the piano was pushing the price out of my budget. I wonder why casio did not provide Bluetooth midi.

You’ve done yourself a huge favour - I held out commenting on the new PXS1/3K series as I’ve not try it till now. A mediocre action at best and a complete fabrication that it’s easily playable near the fall-board. Whoever says that just wants to sell them. Sorry, but it’s like that. On the other hand the FP10/30s PH4 action at least feels pianistic. The shop had them side by side and the difference is so obvious as to which one reigns on the touch department. Well done on your purchase - the Roland will carry you a fair way.


I must be from the Bizzaro world because IMHO the Casio PX1000/3000 is the best of segment and very creative to play on. Maybe it's cause I play jazz gigs with it. I'll never be doing a classical recital on it. (LOL)

I can appreciate your candid review but wish you used "in my opinion at least once, since that's all it is."
Posted By: Maconi

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/12/19 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by macbit
hi.. after the help I received here I got myself the Roland FP-10 instead of the PXS1000. One of the reasons I didn't buy the Casio is the lack of Bluetooth midi. Spending $40 for an Apple lightning to camera adapter on top of the $100 extra for the piano was pushing the price out of my budget. I wonder why casio did not provide Bluetooth midi.

You’ve done yourself a huge favour - I held out commenting on the new PXS1/3K series as I’ve not try it till now. A mediocre action at best and a complete fabrication that it’s easily playable near the fall-board. Whoever says that just wants to sell them. Sorry, but it’s like that. On the other hand the FP10/30s PH4 action at least feels pianistic. The shop had them side by side and the difference is so obvious as to which one reigns on the touch department. Well done on your purchase - the Roland will carry you a fair way.


I didn't have the chance to try the FP-30 but I agree that the PX-S1000 was pretty stiff toward the top of the keys (as I said before).

Originally Posted by Maconi
Finally the Casio PX-S1000. It actually felt pretty similar to the YDP-143, but rather than having high return pressure the key action just felt a bit dull. Something was missing although I couldn't quite pinpoint what. It may have been the short pivot point people keep mentioning (it almost felt like I wasn't pushing the keys all the way down). It was definitely harder to play further up on the keys vs the other pianos.


The FP-90 I ended up with is much easier to play for me.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 07/12/19 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by 36251

I can appreciate your candid review but wish you used "in my opinion at least once, since that's all it is."


A fair point, in my opinion, everything I write on a publicly accessed online forum is a personal opinion. wink
Posted By: navindra

Casio Privia Slim PX-S3000 Review - 07/27/19 08:24 PM

Casio Privia Slim PX-S3000 Review

I bought the Casio Privia PX-S3000 as my summer holiday piano, along with a KORG microKEY Air 37. This Privia Slim is a new and exciting release from Casio, and happens to check every one of my holiday requirements.

It's slim and portable. It's not exactly slim and portable enough that I can pack it in my travel luggage. For that, I have the KORG (and hopefully the 4-octave LUMI solution soon). It's slim and portable enough that I can order it half way around the world from Country 1 and have it ship safely from Country 2 to Country 3. It's slim and portable enough that it's easy to find a semi-permanent home for it while being able to shift it around or stash it away at any time. It takes batteries, if ever I needed that.

It's a beautiful piece of furniture. When it's off, the surface is a minimalist and glossy piece of glass, reminiscent of a grand piano. This is important because it makes the hosts beyond happy to welcome this piano as a second guest. I also got the furniture stand which was easy to assemble, minimalistic, good looking, and rugged. I also got the 3-pedal unit which is portable but not integrated into the stand. I would only subtract points for the music stand. It does the job but it is a flimsy wireframe/plastic piece and it looks like an afterthought and feels like a design fail -- what a pity.

It's fun, and a joy to use and play, as all pianos should be. There are lots of usable tones and too many options. I need to subtract points because it only has Bluetooth Audio but not Bluetooth MIDI. I purchased the Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter to get MIDI to my iPad. Come on, Casio.

Now look, this doesn't have a Kawai touchscreen. The controls and behavior need deciphering -- they are frankly quite complex. A Kawai touchscreen spoils you that way. The manual is super-dense and has some ridiculous side notes. These guys need a Casio James. The knobs are a double-edged sword -- mess with one accidentally and you might be left to wonder what happened to your tone. There are too many controls, or too little, depending on what you are trying to achieve.

Reading the reviews here, I was worried about the sound and action. After all, this ought to be my highest priority. I wanted all of the above *and* excellent sound and action. Fortunately, I need not have worried. It sounds and feels fantastic in a home setting and has plenty of settings to tweak.

Look, this is no Novus, but this will certainly do.

At first I did feel like maybe the sound was too thin, muffled, and lacked bass. The default Grand Piano Concert felt muffled while the Grand Piano Bright felt more fun but slightly artificial. However, once I placed it against a wall, adjusted the volume, and made sure no one was touching those knobs, it sounded quite fantastic on speakers. The speakers are rear-facing but there are forward-facing sound ports in the keyboard. The sound bounces nicely against the wall. The bass is still not that strong but strong enough you feel it in the keys. The bass feels even better once you turn on the virtual surround mode. However, I prefer the purity of stereo sound over the virtual surround mode and ultimately traded bass for purity.

Most importantly, the action feels super responsive and alive. The concern about the short pivot distance may be real, but it didn't seem to affect me -- I'm not near the level where that might be a concern. Playing and controlling expression is a joy. The action and sound are well-integrated and bring this piano alive.

The default Grand Piano Concert is a woodier sound. It's really quite lovely once you get a feel for it. The Grand Piano Bright sound is fun. It doesn't feel as authentic as GPC but it's alive and cuts through a mix beautifully and effortlessly. It's unfortunate that Casio doesn't have the funds or courage to publicize the actual grand piano(s) these sounds are sampled from -- I would certainly love to learn more details.

Knob 1 defaults to "Cutoff Freq" for GPC and GPB -- I have no idea what that means (and the manual is dumb) but set it to minimum and the sound feels woodier and more muffled. Set it to max and it sounds best for GPC. Bright enough that I don't feel the need to switch to GPB as often, although I still do for the fun of it. There are other brilliance and reverb settings to play with, but I currently have those on defaults.

That'll do pig (PX-S), that'll do.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Casio Privia Slim PX-S3000 Review - 07/27/19 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by navindra
Knob 1 defaults to "Cutoff Freq" for GPC and GPB -- I have no idea what that means (and the manual is dumb) but set it to minimum and the sound feels woodier and more muffled. Set it to max and it sounds best for GPC.
Filter cutoff frequency has a function similar to brightness, but it works differently. Set it to maximum, and it does nothing at all. But from there, the more you lower it, the more it rolls off (freduces or filters out) high frequencies, making the sound less bright.
Posted By: mozart999uk

Re: Casio Privia Slim PX-S3000 Review - 08/19/19 07:37 PM

Can any users help me with a question on the PXS 3000 and reverb?

So it seems that some sounds you can't add reverb to. No matter what adjustment you make and whatever "sound" setting light is on, there is no reverb.

"Electric piano 010 Amp 60s EP" is one example.

Also if you select a sound that has reverb and then edit it's DSP, the reverb disappears.

Can any other users confirm this?
Posted By: 36251

Re: Casio Privia Slim PX-S3000 Review - 08/20/19 08:18 PM

Is there a way to reset a sound to factory preset during experimenting with the knobs, DSP, choruses, etc. when setting up registrations? Do I just have to keep turning off board?
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Casio Privia Slim PX-S3000 Review - 08/21/19 04:23 AM

Try pressing the + and - (or Yes/No, Back/Forward etc.) buttons at the same time.

I have no idea if this will work, but it's a standard convention on many digital pianos for resetting adjusted settings.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted By: 36251

Re: Casio Privia Slim PX-S3000 Review - 08/21/19 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Try pressing the + and - (or Yes/No, Back/Forward etc.) buttons at the same time.

I have no idea if this will work, but it's a standard convention on many digital pianos for resetting adjusted settings.

Cheers,
James
x

Using + and - together when knobs list shows on screen brings you back to assignable 1, but doesn't change parameters that were altered.

A good try that I read about in the manual but doesn't seem to reset everything. I'm hoping there's another solution (or software update if applicable.)
Posted By: Timothy Tran

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 08/22/19 08:04 AM

These are MSRP. The real prices will probably be lower.
Posted By: John_C

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 08/22/19 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Timothy Tran
These are MSRP. The real prices will probably be lower.


I soooooo badly want a PX-S3000 to replace my PX-160 I'm hoping I can find one on Black Friday this November.

Can anyone recommend a vendor / seller to look at for Black Friday sales this year?
Posted By: Hamin

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 09/21/19 12:48 AM

Got easy comparison chart for the comparison.
PX S1000 PX S3000
Built-in Tones 18 700
# of Chorus 4 12
Reverb (environment) Control No Yes
Built-in Rhythms No 200
Pitch Bend Wheel No Yes
Control knobs (not volume) No 2
Touch Sensor button 7 18
3 pedal connection Yes Yes
Individual pedal input 2 3
Battery-powered playability Yes Yes

From https://digitalpianobestreview.com/2019/06/18/casio-privia-px-s3000-review-comparison-best-price/
Posted By: navindra

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 09/21/19 01:11 AM

This chart excludes the fact that the S3000 has an LCD screen, which helps with the complex UI.
Posted By: mrish

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 09/22/19 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by navindra
Casio Privia Slim PX-S3000 Review

At first I did feel like maybe the sound was too thin, muffled, and lacked bass. The default Grand Piano Concert felt muffled while the Grand Piano Bright felt more fun but slightly artificial. However, once I placed it against a wall, adjusted the volume, and made sure no one was touching those knobs, it sounded quite fantastic on speakers. The speakers are rear-facing but there are forward-facing sound ports in the keyboard. The sound bounces nicely against the wall. The bass is still not that strong but strong enough you feel it in the keys. The bass feels even better once you turn on the virtual surround mode. However, I prefer the purity of stereo sound over the virtual surround mode and ultimately traded bass for purity.




Hey Navindra,

I am also considering the PX-S3000 and I share similar concerns about the sound. I found the sound lacking in Bass too. This made me stretch my budget to consider AP470 and AP650M too.

Now, speaking in terms of features:
AP470 = PX-S3000 minus extra sounds (assuming they use the same sound engine) + wooden cabinet + excellent speakers + $
AP650M = PX-S3000 + wooden cabinet + excellent speakers + $$

With this, I am left with the following questions:
- Will keeping PX-S3000 against a wall improve the bass to the extent provided by AP470?
- If I consider buying PX-S3000 and adding decent monitors, would the audio output be comparable to that of AP470?
- Should I buy AP470 instead for its sound and buy a separate keyboard later for the extra sounds(bells and whistles)?

AP650M has everything, but the price difference between AP650M and AP470 is about 25k INR(approx. 360 USD) in India. Not sure if that's justified, as the extras it brings can be had from a separate basic keyboard instead.

Cheers,
Posted By: terminaldegree

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 09/22/19 04:50 PM

Just a quick heads up that there will be a Piano Buyer review of the 3000 with a good amount of video content from an experienced reviewer, very shortly.
Posted By: navindra

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 09/22/19 06:00 PM

Pending the upcoming Piano Buyer review, I'll take a stab at this.

Originally Posted by mrish
- Will keeping PX-S3000 against a wall improve the bass to the extent provided by AP470

Quite simply, no.

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- If I consider buying PX-S3000 and adding decent monitors, would the audio output be comparable to that of AP470?


What do you think of the sound of the PX-S3000 on headphones? Do you like it? If so, the sky should be the limit with monitors.

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- Should I buy AP470 instead for its sound and buy a separate keyboard later for the extra sounds(bells and whistles)?
AP650M has everything, but the price difference between AP650M and AP470 is about 25k INR(approx. 360 USD) in India. Not sure if that's justified, as the extras it brings can be had from a separate basic keyboard instead.


If the AP650M has everything you desire in a piano/keyboard experience (harmonium, sitar, tabla, etc), then you should probably buy that instead of trying to patch together an unwieldy system with slim portable keyboard, monitors, extra keyboard, VST, etc.

However if you really don't care about extras and your focus is just piano, then the AP470 sounds reasonable.
Posted By: terminaldegree

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 09/22/19 08:00 PM

Ah- here it is. The print version hasn’t been released yet:

https://youtu.be/UVEbttsAoAo
Posted By: mrish

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 09/24/19 04:57 AM

Thanks Navindra,

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What do you think of the sound of the PX-S3000 on headphones? Do you like it? If so, the sky should be the limit with monitors.


Haven't tried yet. Will check in the store and get back.

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If the AP650M has everything you desire in a piano/keyboard experience (harmonium, sitar, tabla, etc), then you should probably buy that instead of trying to patch together an unwieldy system with slim portable keyboard, monitors, extra keyboard, VST, etc.

However if you really don't care about extras and your focus is just piano, then the AP470 sounds reasonable.


Hmm.. Actually, all I need is guitar & flute voices and a few rhythms and accompaniments. Though most of my focus will be on learning Piano, the metronome gets boring beyond a point and using rhythms helps.

Besides the price difference, AP650M also seems to be an older model. Not sure how it differs internally to the relatively newer AP470.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Cheers,
Posted By: mrish

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 - 10/04/19 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Ah- here it is. The print version hasn’t been released yet:

https://youtu.be/UVEbttsAoAo


Can you throw some light on the sound from the speakers ? Does it sound 'tinny' lacking bass?

Cheers,
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