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Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano

Posted By: Kawai James

Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 09:47 AM

Hello folks,

Here's some new product information that you may be interested in:

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Kawai Japan is proud to announce the ES110, the latest addition to the highly respected ES range of portable digital pianos, and successor to the best-selling ES100. This updated model features a brand new Responsive Hammer Compact keyboard action, Harmonic Imaging 88-key piano sampling, dedicated Line Out jacks, and built-in Bluetooth® wireless connectivity to deliver gig-friendly grand piano touch and tone at a remarkably affordable price.

Read more...


Kawai Global website: ES110 product page

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 09:57 AM

ES110 New Features & Improvements
  • New: Responsive Hammer Compact keyboard action
  • New: Bluetooth MIDI connectivity
  • New: Line Out jacks
  • Improved: 3.0 kg lighter than ES100 (15.0 kg --> 12.0 kg)
  • Improved: Larger, more powerful speakers (12x8 cm --> 12 cm)
  • Improved: Ability to toggle effects on/off from panel
  • Improved: Ability to toggle rotary speaker effect speed from panel
  • Improved: Ability to disable speakers and select 'Flat EQ' when using Line Out jacks
  • Improved: Virtual Technician iOS app support


Kawai Europe Product Videos






Kawai America Product Video

Posted By: voxpops

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 10:47 AM

Looks like a nice upgrade, James. I hope the new compact action plays as nicely as the older AHA IV action. Since I prefer the Kawai EPs to Roland's offerings in their lower weight pianos, this could make a handy small-gig piano for me.
Posted By: Doug M.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 01:23 PM

Does it have USB and/or Midi in/out/through?
Posted By: voxpops

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 01:58 PM

Doug, according to the brochure, it's the same as the ES100: MIDI in/out via 5-pin DIN, but no USB.
Posted By: jwmp

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 02:39 PM

Strange move, the portable market is already saturated.
Posted By: Morodiene

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by voxpops
Doug, according to the brochure, it's the same as the ES100: MIDI in/out via 5-pin DIN, but no USB.

Also Bluetooth MIDI! And it's cool it has the line outs.

I'm curious how it feels compared with the ES100. Looks like a really good competitor at the >$1k price range.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 02:44 PM



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Posted By: CyberGene

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by jwmp
Strange move, the portable market is already saturated.


It was saturated with ES100-s mainly. Now they swap them with ES110-s and keep the saturation for themselves. Greedy capitalist bastards!
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 03:12 PM

It sounds exciting...

There are some first discussions started in my local church about the idea of investing into a portable digital piano. ES110 specs seem to be promising so far smile

This will take at least a few months but possibly a year or two until really looking for which model to buy. At least there is a chance that the new model reaches our market by then.

I am particularly curious about Responsive Hammer Compact keyboard action, hoping to read some reviews soon.
Posted By: Falsch

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 03:29 PM

So the things improved with regard to actual piano playing are:

- Keyboard
- Better speakers

The sample set seems to be the same. It's still HI, and the keyboard is now first generation RH.

So, we'll know the improvements for the ES120, ES130, and so on. At some time, they will move to RH-II, RH-III, and PHI and HI-XL. At that point, the CA-line will already be at GF-8 and HI-Ultra-XXXL laugh

How is the lower weight achieved? More plastic? Thinner plastic? Now using carbon fiber? (I doubt it.) The one thought I always have with a lower weight is: cheaper build quality, except if some clearly lighter yet stronger material has been used.
Posted By: labjr

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 04:21 PM

How many key sensors are in the ES110?
Posted By: Mr Zaxels

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 04:50 PM

Looking at the pic for the action they have on their official website, I'm pretty sure it's 2 sensors, it seems it only has two notches. You can compare it to the ES8 as well, where they explicitly say "triple hammer sensor" and the membrane is bigger.
Posted By: labjr

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 05:02 PM

You're probably right. If the new model now had three, they'd be telling us about it.
Posted By: Buckster

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 05:30 PM

seems a bit of a strange positioning against FP-30 - FP-30 with the PHA-IV keybed has tri-sensor ?

no USB seems very very odd to me - would have thought all or most midi equipped pianos these days would have usb

I guess pros and cons of each - will be interesting to try in shop

Line-out on the ES110 is an advantage though
Posted By: meco73

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 05:53 PM

I also find strange no USB and also not being able to determine where the split point is (this is what i understood from the user manual, sorry if i am wrong).

This piano has a different target then the FP30, i get that, but it seems that minimalism is pushed a little too far, as those 2 aspects seem quite basic.

Nevertheless, i'm just hoping to read some reviews, particularly concernig the key action and, if the positive feeling of the ES100 remains, i will probably buy one of these :-)
Posted By: Buckster

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 05:58 PM

interested to hear what you mean by a different target than the FP30 ?

in what sense ? not doubting you - just wondering what the 2 target markets are
Posted By: meco73

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 06:16 PM

Let me me start by saying i am no expert, nor as piano player not as commercial so this is based on what i have read in the last couple of months while searching for a portable piano below 1000€.

The es100 and the es110 do not compare to the fp30 in terms of features beyond the key fell. Fp30 has much more sounds, usb, split poin selection, acompainement, i believe there was somethin with recording and plying from a usb stck. The es100 excels on the key action, so i would say that it will appeal to someone who in focused on the similaraty to an acoustic piano that does not give too much importance to such additional features.

Again, this is a personal conclusion based on what is spread out through the web, including this forum.
Posted By: Andriuska

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 06:53 PM

The RH does have 2 sensors, as the main difference between RH and RHII is the addition of a 3rd sensor as mentioned here: http://kawaius.com/2015/digital/Features/actions.html.

That is unless they used a new version of RH as in the link provided in the OP it does say "Brand new Responsive Hammer Compact keyboard action" which could be interpreted as meaning brand new in the RH line or brand new for the es100 series depending on how you look at it.

Edit: The new action in this keyboard is called Responsive Hammer Compact, whereas the above comparison is for just Responive Hammer. No idea if this one has 2 or 3 sensors.
Posted By: Mr Zaxels

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Buckster
interested to hear what you mean by a different target than the FP30 ?

in what sense ? not doubting you - just wondering what the 2 target markets are


Looking at the features, it seems Kawai is targetting the "musician that is constantly gigging" with the ES110, rather than the "person that wants to start learning piano". This second group is what Roland, Casio, and Yamaha seem to be aiming for with their products.

Lowest weight, bluetooth MIDI, conventional Line Out (with speakers still acting as monitors) and MIDI ports make for an extremely portable keyboard that's well suited for live use.

Speakers seem a bit underpowered though...
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 08:35 PM

this link has no year, so I hope it will be updated soon:
http://www.kawaius.com/digital/Features/actions.html
Posted By: Doug M.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Morodiene
Originally Posted by voxpops
Doug, according to the brochure, it's the same as the ES100: MIDI in/out via 5-pin DIN, but no USB.

Also Bluetooth MIDI! And it's cool it has the line outs.

I'm curious how it feels compared with the ES100. Looks like a really good competitor at the >$1k price range.


+1

Adding a line out was what folk were asking for---very useful! I guess the lack of a USB midi issue is something that can be cured by a 10 dollar adapter, so probably not a big issue. Will be interesting to see if the update on the action compares favourably to the PHAIV standard.
Posted By: Doug M.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/10/17 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by meco73
Let me me start by saying i am no expert, nor as piano player not as commercial so this is based on what i have read in the last couple of months while searching for a portable piano below 1000€.

The es100 and the es110 do not compare to the fp30 in terms of features beyond the key fell. Fp30 has much more sounds, usb, split poin selection, acompainement, i believe there was somethin with recording and plying from a usb stck. The es100 excels on the key action, so i would say that it will appeal to someone who in focused on the similaraty to an acoustic piano that does not give too much importance to such additional features.

Again, this is a personal conclusion based on what is spread out through the web, including this forum.


To be fair, the only decent sounds on the FP-30 are the SN piano sounds.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/11/17 06:32 AM

Just ordered the ES 110 sight unseen, keyboard untouched from Kraft Music. I have faith it will be as good or better than the ES 100 which I was literally about to buy when I saw this thread. If there is interest I'll report back once it's delivered!
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/11/17 06:38 AM

Yeah, overall, this looks more appealing than the FP30 for a gigging musician. Line out, real MIDI jacks, lower travel weight, registration memories. And the ES100 Rhodes sounds a lot better than the FP30's. I suspect the Roland will still have louder internal speakers, though.

I hope the effects toggle allow you to defeat the effects that were baked into the EP samples on the 100.

Still not perfect... I like having Line Inputs on boards with speakers, it can be very convenient. And more than that I still wish it had even a simple 2-digit LED display or button lights or something, some way to tell what sound is selected before you hit a key. If you ever use an 88 as the bottom of a 2-board stack, and come back to the 88 after only having played the 2nd board for a while, it is irritating to not be able to tell at a glance what sound your 88 is set at.
Posted By: Groove On

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/11/17 08:04 AM

Kawai did a good job with the ES-110, it's a very attractive keyboard for the money. As someone who really likes his FP-30, I'm excited to try out the ES-110.

Kudos on the Bluetooth MIDI, Stereo Line Outs and 12kg weight. The RH Compact key looks very nice.

One ES-100 "feature" not mentioned - it comes with a half-damper pedal. I had to buy the Roland DP-10 pedal to get that functionality. The DP-10 is an excellent pedal, but its extra.
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/11/17 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Groove On

One ES-100 "feature" not mentioned - it comes with a half-damper pedal. I had to buy the Roland DP-10 pedal to get that functionality. The DP-10 is an excellent pedal, but its extra.


As far as I see on kawai-global.com, ES110 should come with F-10H pedal, which is a half-damper.
Posted By: Groove On

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/11/17 09:56 AM

Yup, that's what I'm saying ... the ES-110 comes with a half-damper pedal.
Posted By: Tom Fort

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/12/17 02:48 AM

Glad to see the Bluetooth MIDI added, and the line jacks. Also had hoped for larger sampled sounds, triple-sensor action and USB.

Has anyone played/heard anything about the new action? I'd think that would be the critical element.
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/12/17 03:12 AM

I've never tried Bluetooth MIDI - does it work well? I guess if it does I wouldn't care about the lack of USB.

Greg.
Posted By: Tom Fort

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/12/17 05:08 AM

I've only used Bluetooth MIDI going from a controller to an iPad for mobile use, where it works well. In a stationary environment, I think I'd prefer the lower latency and ease of use of wired USB. That said, once I've given up wires, I've hardly ever wanted to go back.
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/12/17 08:09 AM

To be honest, I would be also curious about OS support for Bluetooth MIDI... Mostly people think about Windows and iOS and perhaps Android...
What about Linux distributions? What about somewhat old Blackberry phones? smile

I know this is mostly considered not to be on the side of the manufacturers, but anyway, could make a change in usability, with Linux probably for many.
Posted By: meco73

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/13/17 01:36 AM

There is a presentation on youtube by Sean O'Shea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6k7yK3cqIE
Posted By: petes1

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/13/17 03:02 AM

It's only 12 Kg, pretty decent for an 88 key slab with decent action. If it's sturdy, it could make a decent gigging board.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/14/17 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Groove On
Kawai did a good job with the ES-110, it's a very attractive keyboard for the money. As someone who really likes his FP-30, I'm excited to try out the ES-110.

Kudos on the Bluetooth MIDI, Stereo Line Outs and 12kg weight. The RH Compact key looks very nice.

One ES-100 "feature" not mentioned - it comes with a half-damper pedal. I had to buy the Roland DP-10 pedal to get that functionality. The DP-10 is an excellent pedal, but its extra.


Yes, it comes with better pedal than Roland Fp30, but the price of ES110 is higher $729 compared to $699 ( even higher difference in my country Romania, where I've got the FP30 for only 600$).
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/14/17 09:59 AM

Yes, ES110 seems like a good upgrade. The main concern would be the sound engine that seems to still be based on SAMPLING (as kawai website states:Harmonic Imaging, 88-key piano sampling) rather than MODELING engine, that makes a more realistic piano tonal behavior as Roland FP30 has for example (watch this for more info https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo2nJBhxGYI). It also needs to be considered the previous keys poor quality problems encountered by users of ES100: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2205900/*UPDATE_2:_VIDEO*_Dying_keys_o.html
Posted By: G-now-p-man

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/14/17 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by meco73
There is a presentation on youtube by Sean O'Shea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6k7yK3cqIE


Looks like it's been pulled!
Posted By: pwl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/14/17 10:30 AM

Not a bad idea - the video quality was quite poor.
Posted By: 9190

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/14/17 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by pwl
Not a bad idea - the video quality was quite poor.

I would say audio quality was poor. When I was listening to piano sounds I thought: "Long time I didn't hear such a synthetic and compressed piano sound". And then I realized that probably audio was actually recorded in mono. I don't like videos about digital pianos from that channel, in most cases they are unconvincing to me and even look like anti-advertising, often have some technical gripes and demonstrations themselves are on quite low level. Now I see that video was even deleted.

I should say that I remember official video from Roland about FP30, when it was just announced. And quality of audio was terrible. Really strange, that sometimes they can't record quality audio for some of their demos.
Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/14/17 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Korny
Yes, ES110 seems like a good upgrade. The main concern would be the sound engine that seems to still be based on SAMPLING (as kawai website states:Harmonic Imaging, 88-key piano sampling) rather than MODELING engine, that makes a more realistic piano tonal behavior as Roland FP30 has for example (watch this for more info https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo2nJBhxGYI).


The Roland FP-30 has a SuperNatural sound engine -- it is sample-based:

http://www.roland.ca/products/fp-30/specifications/

Higher-end, recent Rolands use the SuperNatural Piano Modeling sound engine, which is modelled. For example:

http://www.roland.ca/products/fp-90/specifications/



Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/14/17 01:40 PM

yes - bit confusing of Roland to not have a more distinct name for the fully modelled engine eh -_-
And sampling has more realistic timbre - tonally, the modelling wins hands down ;P

Posted By: jokke

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/15/17 11:02 PM

Nice! Good thing I bought my ES-100 last month, vaccinating me against immediate purchase... :-d

Missing USB is a bit shame, that and the bad speakers were my main annoyances with the ES100, they fixed the other and maybe the touch has improved as well. I know what I'll be buying for my travel piano if the ES100 breaks down.

Anyone know how much of a lag the bluetooth MIDI adds? I think the ES100 is amazing with external speakers and Pianoteq running the sounds, wonderful light action. If BT adds 10ms delay, it would greatly impact playability.
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/15/17 11:15 PM

With MIDI sockets, you just need a 30€ MIDI/USB adapter.
Posted By: Marko in Boston

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/16/17 10:46 PM

Kraft just posted a ES110 demo.

Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 12:07 AM

Thanks Marko!

Here's the main product demo:



Nice, clear presentation from Adam as always, and some tasty some playing too - love the boogie woogie! wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 12:21 AM

Waiting with bated breath, mine is supposed to arrive tomorrow. I'll probably be lame and do some unboxing pics. I'm very newb so I don't know if I'll embarrass myself with a video of me plinking out notes.
Posted By: Marko in Boston

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by squidbot
Waiting with bated breath, mine is supposed to arrive tomorrow. I'll probably be lame and do some unboxing pics. I'm very newb so I don't know if I'll embarrass myself with a video of me plinking out notes.


No such thing as lame unboxing pics - we love them. ... And never be embarrassed on Piano World. We are all in it together from beginners to pros. Mostly, congrats on your new ES110. Looks like a real winner!
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 06:53 AM

Sounds great, but as usual I am frustrated by the player not doing a mini-DPBSD - just play and hold a few notes, changing the velocity gradually. It sounds very expressive in that I hear a large variation in timbre between pp & ff, but it's hard to tell what the graduations in between are like, short of examining the performances with a microscope.

The Wurly nails the bright metallic Supertramp sound!

Greg.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 08:27 AM

Hello folks,

Just to respond to some of the queries raised in this thread so far:

Originally Posted by Doug M.
Does it have USB and/or Midi in/out/through?


As voxpops notes, the ES110 features standard MIDI IN/OUT connectors, but no USB to Host.
However, this functionality can be added using a MIDI to USB adaptors ($10~$30 depending on brand), while for smartphone/tablet connection, I believe Bluetooth MIDI will satisfy most customers.

Originally Posted by Falsch
So the things improved with regard to actual piano playing are:

- Keyboard
- Better speakers

The sample set seems to be the same. It's still HI, and the keyboard is now first generation RH.


You're mostly correct, however the action is not the same as RH(I) but based on the same 'Responsive Hammer' mechanism design.

Originally Posted by Falsch
How is the lower weight achieved? More plastic? Thinner plastic? Now using carbon fiber? (I doubt it.) The one thought I always have with a lower weight is: cheaper build quality, except if some clearly lighter yet stronger material has been used.


I believe the structural material and stability of the case should be the same as the ES100, if not better. The overall weight reduction is largely due to the new 'RH Compact' action, which is 70% lighter than the AHA IV-F action utilised by the ES100.

Originally Posted by meco73
I also find strange no USB and also not being able to determine where the split point is (this is what i understood from the user manual, sorry if i am wrong).


I touched on USB above. The split point is fixed between F#3/G3 and cannot be changed.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
I hope the effects toggle allow you to defeat the effects that were baked into the EP samples on the 100.


Yes, absolutely - that's the main purpose of this feature. wink The effect-less sounds can be stored to a Registration memory if necessary.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Still not perfect... I like having Line Inputs on boards with speakers, it can be very convenient. And more than that I still wish it had even a simple 2-digit LED display or button lights or something, some way to tell what sound is selected before you hit a key.


All good points. It's obviously too late to change anything hardware-related on the ES110, however I'll certainly pass-on this feedback to the product planning folks.

Originally Posted by Groove On
One ES-100 "feature" not mentioned - it comes with a half-damper pedal. I had to buy the Roland DP-10 pedal to get that functionality. The DP-10 is an excellent pedal, but its extra.


That's a great point - I don't believe any instruments in this price range include a half-damper pedal in the box. I've added this point to the feature explanation on the product page at Kawai-Global.com. Thank you for the suggestion. wink

Originally Posted by Jasper E.
To be honest, I would be also curious about OS support for Bluetooth MIDI... Mostly people think about Windows and iOS and perhaps Android...
What about Linux distributions? What about somewhat old Blackberry phones? smile


The ES110 (and CN27/CN37) conform to the Bluetooth LE specification, so will provided the device's hardware and software support this standard, it should be able to connect to the instrument and utilise Bluetooth MIDI. iOS and OSX/macOS support this natively.

Android added Bluetooth MIDI support in v6.0 (Marshmallow), however this does not guarantee that the device manufacturer supports the feature in their implementation of the OS. We have tested a variety of different Android 6.0+ devices, however it may be difficult for us to specify which devices will/will not function due to the massive number of Android phones/tablets out there. Currently, MIDI/music creation apps developed for Android are relatively rare (compared to iOS), however I'm hopeful that this will improve in the future.

Regarding Windows, I believe Microsoft added Bluetooth LE MIDI support in the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. However, please note that Kawai does not officially support connecting instruments via Bluetooth MIDI under Windows 10 at this time.

I'm afraid I do not know if legacy (i.e. pre-Android) Blackberry phones support Bluetooth MIDI, nor do I know the situation under Linux, however I expect that if a Bluetooth LE driver exists for the OS and it conforms to the necessary specifications, it may work.

Originally Posted by squidbot
Waiting with bated breath, mine is supposed to arrive tomorrow.


Congrats! And wow, that was quick - just one week after the product was announced! wink

I hope this helps!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Thanks Marko!

Here's the main product demo:



Nice, clear presentation from Adam as always, and some tasty some playing too - love the boogie woogie! wink

Cheers,
James
x


Hello, great video! But have you noticed the static noise on the sound of the piano? It seems like either the recording or the outputs of the es110 have this problem with the static noise. Is there a general problem or was just a bad recording? I didn't noticed the same problem with other pianos they've reviewed on youtube...
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 09:19 AM

Nope - I didn't notice any "static" but I'll take another listen later...

Greg.
Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 09:41 AM

Earing this video, the sound from the played ES-110 is a direct to usb recording - no possible source of static there.
The parts where he comments are recorded by microphone, some hiss is audible there on higher volume levels..

Remember if you are listening to these things on a PC, its DAC and amplifier usually have less than 80db channel separation and usually less than 95db signal to noise ratio, often much lower..
Posted By: 9190

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Goss
Earing this video, the sound from the played ES-110 is a direct to usb recording

ES110 doesn't have any features, connected with USB, including USB Audio Recorder feature.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Goss
Earing this video, the sound from the played ES-110 is a direct to usb recording - no possible source of static there.
The parts where he comments are recorded by microphone, some hiss is audible there on higher volume levels..

Remember if you are listening to these things on a PC, its DAC and amplifier usually have less than 80db channel separation and usually less than 95db signal to noise ratio, often much lower..


I use my headphones to hear it and believe me, you can hear anything including static noise and not only on the voice part. This is whay I was wondering if there might be a problem with the outputs sockets or with the recording of the samples from ES110. If you use your headphones, here is an example of video on youtube without any static noise:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuhpXgFsDqs
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 07:20 PM

Yes - I can hear some noise - I'd describe it as "background hiss", although it seems to change levels a bit depending on what is being played. I hear it in the quieter passages. (there is more hiss when the mic is on - I'm not referring to that)

Greg.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/17/17 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Korny
have you noticed the static noise on the sound of the piano? It seems like either the recording or the outputs of the es110 have this problem with the static noise. Is there a general problem or was just a bad recording?


Yes, I can hear a small amount of noise in quieter parts of the Kraft video also. I expect this may have been introduced during the recording process, rather than being captured from the ES110 itself.

Here is Kawai Europe's ES110 product video (German language, English version to follow shortly) - I cannot hear any such noise in the audio, so am quite confident that the instrument's Line Out sound is clean.



Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Tom Fort

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 01:02 AM

James-

Can you discuss the changes made to the action?

Also, can you confirm the sounds and sensors remain the same?

Thanks.
Posted By: meco73

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Tom Fort
James-

Can you discuss the changes made to the action?

Also, an you confirm the sounds and sensors remain the same?

Thanks.


I am also interested in this.

i'm still deciding if i should buy an ES100, which price will probably decrease a little, or just go straight to the ES110.

The key action will be the defining factor and for that i'm just hopping to see some ES100 vs ES110 comparison.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 05:05 AM

It arrived today as promised! Thanks Kraft Music and UPS for speedy prep and delivery. So, you all said you wanted unboxing, here it is. I love the keyboard so far, it really delivers on the feel promise. I am having a slight technical issue which I'm hoping the Kawai James can answer. I'm posting that in another reply so it doesn't get lost in here. If anyone has kind of test they'd like me to try, I'll do my best to get a video.

The quick story on why I bought this. I started as an "Adult Beginner" (hi other forum) in May. As I wasn't sure I'd be able to commit time to it, I cheaped out and bought a Williams Legato. Honestly, for $200 it's not as terrible as I expected, and it served me well as I learned the real keyboard basics. My teacher, however, has a Steinway. As I've started to actually play real music with some rapid triplets and fast position changes, I found that I was really suffering when I played at my teachers as the keyboard felt so different and the amount of force I needed to use was so different, I sounded terrible. I'd miss notes as I didn't press hard enough and my timing would be off as my fingers muddled through. We also have a very old, very out of tune, not serviced since my wife was a child upright, so I clanked on that for a while. It's awful, it is like playing hammers connected to tin cans, but at least the keyboard had some resistance. I finally got someone out to look at the piano and they basically said it wasn't worth repairing (it's a 75 year old no name from Canada.) So I took the money I was going to spend on repairs and went shopping for a digital. This forum pointed me to the ES100, which I checked out at a nearby store, and really liked, and was literally about to buy when I saw this thread and decided I needed the new hotness sight unseen.

I digress, on to the unboxing! I apologize for some of the sideways pictures. When I uploaded them to the forum they lost their rotation key. To see them all correct (and in higher resolution) I have them in an album here: https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/ujU396JjUt22reqQZx8KUGk51yCzpn1odretGBpU4HF


Who is that at the door? Why it's Kawai ES110!

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Come on in out of the rain! (I live near Seattle so yeah, it rains.)

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The box, laid out and ready to cut in to.

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In 6 inch high letters it instructs the shipper not to stand the box on its end. As you can see from the first photo it was stood on its end when it was delivered. Fortunately I heard him and got it in right away, so not much time was spent on the illicit side.

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This was a nice touch, I've never seen a box before with a guide to the contents on the flap. Kudos the the Kawai box designers.

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First glimpse of the beautiful board

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Proof it's what I say it is smile

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On to the stand.

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The bodacious backside

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Speakers are still downward facing on the bottom. I can understand peoples complaints about this. I'm primarily going to be using headphones though so it doesn't bother me.

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Slight technical difficulty, the safety straps on my stand don't reach the appropriate holes by about six inches. Ah well, it's pretty sturdy on there.

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What's under the keyboard? This stuff.

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Music rest is easy to attach!

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Cord and manuals. Kudos to Kawai engineers for not making the power supply a wall wart. Much easier to plug in when there's a separate power cord. And having the transformer for the power supply away from the instrument is probably a wise thing too.

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A small box in the big box! It's quite heavy, what could it be?

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The warranty, in case you are wondering.

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My gift from Kawai. It's better than my birthday.

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I always suspected playing the piano was going to hurt me some how.

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OK, whoever puts the tape on the bag the user manual comes in needs to relax a bit. The handy function chart got all wrecked as I tried to get the tape off and finally had to tear the bag apart.

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Seriously, I'm bitter about this.

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Ah there's a foot pedal in there!

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All the plug-inny things laid out. As mentioned, the pedal has a really nice weight to it, it's surprisingly nice.

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The not too thin, not too thick, just right owners manual.

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Do not punch the instrument in anger when messing up the coda.

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So the profile of this keyboard is much taller than the Williams, so the stand setting I had was too high. I lowered it (which spread the arms) and thought maybe the safety bolts would reach this time. No dice frown

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Set up and ready to play!

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Another angle.

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A couple of videos so you can see and hear it in action! Apologies again. I don't have a tripod so I'm holding the phone in my left hand and trying to play with my right hand, and I've only been playing for like 6 months. The results are about as terrible as you'd expect. Towards the end of the video I find something is awry. See my next post for info on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdxyhiIUEcI

One surprising thing was that the keyboard isn't "instant on", in this video you can see it takes about 4 seconds from pressing power for sound to come out. Not really a big deal, it was just kind of a surprise as other keyboards I've used are ready instantly. I guess it has a boot process of some sort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEec_o2nn7U





Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 05:13 AM

Kawai James, so here's the problem I'm encountering. For the most part, when I press the keys, they are quiet and all I hear is the key thump, which is what I expect. However, the A2 key as well as the E3, E4 and E5 all emit a slight rattle or buzz when pressed. If you watch this video, it's most obvious at around 19 seconds in. Is this normal and some keys are just going to make a little extra noise or is it something I need to engage the warranty on? Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM9QW64Lfpo
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 05:41 AM

meco73 ... have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM9QW64Lfpo
Well, about the key action, it seems to be faulty as the ES100 was faulty also in some complaints I found on the web. The key action is very important to me, so I've just went with Roland Fp30 that is prooved to have more firm and sturdy key action, long lasting in time...plus much more superior piano sound and usb connection, usb saving recording data on, playing your favourite .wav songs from a usb stick, and in my country a better price.
about other keybed problems with Kawai ES100 see this post also: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2205900/Help:_Dying_keys_on_digital_pi.html
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Tom Fort
James-

Can you discuss the changes made to the action?

Also, can you confirm the sounds and sensors remain the same?

Thanks.

For what it's worth: The German video that James linked above quotes "improved sensors" when discussing the new action.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 09:35 AM

Hello squidbot,

Congrats on your ES110, and thank you for sharing your thorough unboxing pics, always nice to see. wink

Originally Posted by squidbot
Kawai James, so here's the problem I'm encountering. For the most part, when I press the keys, they are quiet and all I hear is the key thump, which is what I expect. However, the A2 key as well as the E3, E4 and E5 all emit a slight rattle or buzz when pressed. If you watch this video, it's most obvious at around 19 seconds in. Is this normal and some keys are just going to make a little extra noise or is it something I need to engage the warranty on?


To be honest, I'm always a little weary about commenting on this kind of 'keyboard action noise' video - regardless of the manufacturer. The videos are usually recorded in a quiet environment, with just the sound of the keys being pressed (i.e. no piano sound produced by the instrument), and captured using a smartphone mic that automatically raises the recorder gain to boost low-levels. Watching such videos with headphones, one can easily get the impression that an action is incredibly noisy, when in reality - or at least in regular playing circumstances - this may not necessarily be the case.

That's not to say that the ES110 you have received is absolutely flawless. I have watched the keyboard noise video a few times, and can hear some slight rattle along with the key thump (which the iPhone mic emphasises). However, I'm afraid it's impossible for me to judge if this is normal or a problem that needs to be addressed.

My recommendation would be to raise this matter with my colleagues at Kawai America via the contact addresses listed at www.kawaius.com. I shall also forward them links to your forum post and YouTube video to ensure that everyone is kept in the loop.

In the meantime, may I kindly request that you change the status of the keyboard clip from 'Public' to 'Unlisted' in YouTube's video manager.

Thank you once again for your unboxing pics, and for querying the keyboard sound. I'm confident that my colleagues at Kawai America will do their best to assist you with this matter, and if necessary, resolve any issues with your instrument.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 09:47 AM

Korny, congrats on your FP-30, it's a great board. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Korny, congrats on your FP-30, it's a great board. wink

Cheers,
James
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Hi James, Thank you!
Also, thank you for sharing a better sounding video presentation for ES110. This keyboard seems to be a good deal also, if the quality of fabrication for the keys will prove not to disappoint.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/18/17 06:15 PM

Thanks Kawai James. I understand not wanting to try to do tech support based on a bad video smile I will follow up with Kawai support as you suggest, it's actually much more audible than is evident on the recording and it can be heard clearly when the instrument has sound on. I also unlisted the video, but left it linkable, I don't want to come off as disparaging the instrument. Aside from the minor issue, I played with it for several hours last night and I'm really, really pleased with it. The action is fantastic and the piano sound is such a huge upgrade from what I had previously. I primarily use headphones as not to disturb the rest of my household and I noticed some really impressive "little things" like when you depress the sustain pedal they've actually sampled the noise of the dampers leaving the strings. Wow!
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/19/17 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
ES110 New Features & Improvements
  • New: Responsive Hammer Compact keyboard action
  • New: Bluetooth MIDI connectivity
  • New: Line Out jacks
  • Improved: 3.0 kg lighter than ES100 (15.0 kg --> 12.0 kg)
  • Improved: Larger, more powerful speakers (12x8 cm --> 12 cm)
  • Improved: Ability to toggle effects on/off from panel
  • Improved: Ability to toggle rotary speaker effect speed from panel
  • Improved: Ability to disable speakers and select 'Flat EQ' when using Line Out jacks
  • Improved: Virtual Technician iOS app support


Nice upgrade! I find Bluetooth MIDI a much more useful addition than scrapping the native MIDI for USB like other manufacturers did. Smart decision!

How is the key length of the new RH-C action compared to the old AHA-IV-F?
Posted By: PBL

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/19/17 07:22 AM

Does the Bluetooth MIDI include page turn functionality?
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/20/17 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by JoeT
How is the key length of the new RH-C action compared to the old AHA-IV-F?


This information is indicated in Kawai's internal materials, however it is not something that I can share publicly, I'm afraid. Sorry. ;(

Originally Posted by PBL
Does the Bluetooth MIDI include page turn functionality?


No, the ES110's Bluetooth MIDI implementation is only for transmitting/receiving MIDI data.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/20/17 03:53 AM

Kawai Europe's English language video:



Nothing new (in terms of playing) if you've already seen the German version, however the narrated explanation may be useful.

Personally I prefer "ES-one-ten" to "ES-one-one-oh".

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: pwl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/20/17 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by JoeT
How is the key length of the new RH-C action compared to the old AHA-IV-F?


This information is provided in the dealer sales manual, however it is not something that I can share publicly, I'm afraid. Sorry. ;(


So if I go to a Kawai dealer he can give me the answer - good or bad - if he so chooses? Or is he restricted from doing so? Or if not restricted, perhaps advised not to?

It seems to me, and I suspect would appear this way to others, that the only reason to "hide" this info if is the key length is shorter. Which does NOT necessarily mean the action is inferior - but it would likely be considered a negative by many folks. And perhaps the honest answer is that in order to lighten the keyboard weight, the new RH Compact action features a shorter key length.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/20/17 06:56 AM

The weight (and key travel) difference between the front and the back of the keys directly affects people with long fingers and short thumbs.

For example GHS keys are so short, that they are barely playable with the thumbs on the black keys, while the ES100 action is just fine, despite not being a concert grand action either.

I'm surprised, I expected some more or less specific answer, but not really "it's confidential". laugh
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/20/17 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by pwl
So if I go to a Kawai dealer he can give me the answer - good or bad - if he so chooses? Or is he restricted from doing so? Or if not restricted, perhaps advised not to?


Sorry, I was mistaken. The information is indicated in our internal company materials (i.e. I am aware of the respective key lengths), however is not written in the dealer sales manuals.

I could have (and perhaps ought to have) simply responded "I'm sorry, I do not know", but prefer to be as honest with fellow PW users as possible.

Regardless of key length, the RH Compact action reproduces the touch (both static weight and dynamic weight) of an acoustic grand piano more closely than that of AHA IV-F. I believe this to be of greater importance than the keys of one being a few millimetres longer than the other.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/20/17 07:04 AM

There's a nice side profile view of RH Compact and they've kindly even pointed out the exact pivot point in case it's hard to see:

http://www.kawai-global.com/mgr/wp-...ompact_action_labels_lighter_unsharp.png

That's just a photo on the product page, so it's not something that I needed to "hack" from Kawai:

http://www.kawai-global.com/product/es110/

So, looks better than GHS, Casio and Fatar TP-100. smile
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/20/17 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by JoeT
For example GHS keys are so short, that they are barely playable with the thumbs on the black keys, while the ES100 action is just fine, despite not being a concert grand action either.


I appreciate your point, however I'm confident that you will not encounter this problem when playing the RH Compact action.

Originally Posted by JoeT
I'm surprised, I expected some more or less specific answer, but not really "it's confidential". laugh


Digital piano keyboard action design is an important element of Kawai's IP. As such, I believe I can be forgiven for respecting the wishes of my engineering colleagues by not disclosing every specification in a public forum.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: dominic70s

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/21/17 11:50 PM

***FLAT EQ***

One of the most important improvements is the FLAT EQ. . .Why Why Why Kawai haven't you added that option to es100 right from the beginning.

Ok line outs are welcome as well, but as an audio engineer i know that a flat Frequency Response is very important. The es100 sounds rather muddy and dull when connected to a P.A. because of the inner EQ applied to make it sound better on its own speakers. The es110 will definately sound much better than my es100 just because of the flat eq feature. This simple feature could have been included on the es100 to simply change the sound of the headphone outputs to get a flat frequency response resulting in a more balanced sound when connected to an external Mixer/P.A system. . .
Posted By: Marko in Boston

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/22/17 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by dominic70s
One of the most important improvements is the FLAT EQ. . .Why Why Why Kawai haven't you added that option to es100 right from the beginning.


Planned obsolescence on ES100 or responsive R&D on ES110. Pick one.

Posted By: dominic70s

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/22/17 12:25 AM

I would go with the first one. . .Nine times out of ten thats the case.
Posted By: brooster

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/22/17 01:10 PM

Bonners at NAMM - Kawai ES110
Posted By: brooster

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/22/17 01:16 PM

Bonners NAMM - Yamaha P115 vs Roland FP30 vs Kawai ES110
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/22/17 02:56 PM



That's a great video. I was waiting for this in a long time. In this video you can clearly hear how the Roland FP30 sounds so much better than the other two. It has more character and a very distinctive tone, similar to a real grand ... It's just great. The Yamaha sounds the most muffled of all. Kawai sounds just random to me.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/22/17 08:10 PM

Here is the video again Comparing Kawai Es100 / Roland Fp30 / Yamaha P115: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvnKpj2wxd4
Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/22/17 08:59 PM

must say how the fp30 comes across in this video differs a bit from other vids of it - bit too much hmm ping and zing in its sound in this vid for my taste - certainly characterful though ^^
Posted By: Marko in Boston

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/22/17 10:00 PM

FP30 is very nice indeed, but not necessarily "better" than ES110 or P115. It just seems that the sound of the FP30 is more dynamic than the other two with a wider spectrum or wider sound stage on the recording. However, the FP30 can be a bit synthetic with these effects. The ES110, while maybe not as dynamic , seems a bit more pure and realistic. All subjective of course. Plus , keep in mind the application of these boards; how and where are they being used will have an affect on the sound. Just because the demo of the FP30 might sound better on the video, does not guarantee it will sound great live over internal speakers, amps, headphones, or even in your living room. Where the P115 sounds "muddy" on video, might be great on stage or at home. I know that that Im not helping much, but something to think about. The point is you really need to demo yourself if you can. While YouTube is great to review, see, and hear these broads, it can also be a disservice in the purchase decision making process.
Posted By: 9190

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/22/17 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
However, the FP30 can be a bit synthetic with these effects. The ES110, while maybe not as dynamic , seems a bit more pure and realistic.

Agree. I preferred the ES110's piano sound from three on that video.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by dominic70s
One of the most important improvements is the FLAT EQ. . .Why Why Why Kawai haven't you added that option to es100 right from the beginning.


In all honesty, I think we rather underestimated how many customers would use the original ES100 as a gigging board. This is why the ES110 has dedicated Line Outs, Flat EQ, and toggle-able effects - all features requested by gigging customers.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Korny
In this video you can clearly hear how the Roland FP30 sounds so much better than the other two.


Hmmm...really?

Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
FP30 is very nice indeed, but not necessarily "better" than ES110 or P115.


Totally agree, well said. wink
All three boards have a different character - some folks may like the Roland, others may prefer the Kawai, another group the Yamaha.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: voxpops

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
In all honesty, I think we rather underestimated how many customers would use the original ES100 as a gigging board. This is why the ES110 has dedicated Line Outs, Flat EQ, and toggle-able effects - all features requested by gigging customers.
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Hmmm... I remember anotherscott and me banging on years ago about how we needed high quality sounds and action in a lightweight form. And I doubt we were statistical anomalies! wink

The demographic for gigging keyboard players is definitely weighted (no pun intended) towards the older generation, IMO, and many backs are worn out from carting 100+ lbs behemoths to gigs back in the seventies and eighties.

Kawai cottoned on a little late, but the ES100 was a welcome addition to the small, but growing, group of boards that are truly portable. Despite its limitations, I found the ES100 useful while I had it. The ES110 should do very well, but....

...The reason I now have an FP-30 has nothing to do with the EP sounds, which are pretty dreadful to be honest, but everything to do with the AP implementation. It's basically a stripped down FP-7F. It plays almost as well as the 7F I had a few years ago, limited only by the compact action, and it sounds great. The lack of line-outs and the bizarre recent firmware upgrade that allows you to choose whether or not the speakers are on when you have something plugged in the headphone socket, but then blasts a super-hot, distorted signal to your mixer or headphones, are irritating bugbears that have to be worked around. But the point is that, providing you like the Roland SN sound, you have the real deal, with the only compromise in the AP sound being lack of adjustment. The ES series, by contrast, uses one of Kawai's low-end engines. Why should the person requiring lighter weight be sonically penalized?

Don't get me wrong, I really liked the ES100 for what it was, but I noticed quite a difference when I gigged with the MP7 that I had at the same time. However, I think that the ES series' Rhodes and Wurlitzer are significantly better than those in the FP30. On the other hand, the FP's dedicated "split" button is very useful for me. So, overall, I think the ES110 is a great addition to the choices available, but there's still plenty of room for improvement.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Korny
In this video you can clearly hear how the Roland FP30 sounds so much better than the other two.


Hmmm...really?

Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
FP30 is very nice indeed, but not necessarily "better" than ES110 or P115.


Totally agree, well said. wink
All three boards have a different character - some folks may like the Roland, others may prefer the Kawai, another group the Yamaha.

Kind regards,
James
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I agree, we all have different tastes, and like some sounds better than others. Would be nice one day to have all these flavoured different piano sounds in just one board, and to be able to choose from these sounds (for a low price of course). Just that in this video the FP30 is more sparkling and with more colours than the others. You can also see this by the player's reaction on each board sounding. Notice how on the FP30 he played a few more notes holding it down a bit longer than the others in the end... this tells me he really enjoyed the sound and the response of the board more than the others, my view of course. Kawai and Yamaha are pretty similar in sound.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 07:51 AM

Another IMPORTANT issue among these 3 boards is the price point. In Europe Kawai is around $700, Yamaha is $670 and Roland is $600. Why would I pay about $70-100 more for some boards that would not sound better than the cheapest one? Also as far as I could conclude, the action is not better in Kawai and Yamaha, specially not longer lasting as you can research about these three brands' keys reliability in time. Consider also the more powerfull speakers in Fp30, that is 22W total compared to 14W in the competitors. Consider the bluetooth connection that has a specific app on FP30. Ok, maybe just the damper pedal that comes with FP30 dissapoints, but you can change it with better one for about 30$. If you really want the best in pedal realism, you can get a $78 triple pedal for Fp30 and still save some money comparing with the price of ES110. Where is the other price difference coming from in Kawai and Yamaha boards? Is it just because of novelty reasons in ES110? I would really suggest the Kawai and Yamaha to lower their prices for their offer to be even considered by some people.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 08:32 AM

Korny, I agree that the FP-30 represents excellent value for money.

However, while certainly important, price is not the only factor when it comes to purchasing a piano. As I suggested above, some customers may have a personal preference towards the feel of the keyboard action, the tonal quality of the piano sound, or the convenience of other features.

It's clear from your posts that you're a big fan of your FP-30, however that doesn't mean to say that everyone will share your opinion. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 09:02 AM

Yes James, you are right, it's just my opinion. But it would have been nicer to have all 3 boards at the same price point and be able to really choose only with the sound, touch and other features in mind. The price is still an issue for many people that wouldn't afford something more expensive.
Kind regards, Cornel
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Korny
...it would have been nicer to have all 3 boards at the same price point...


Yes, this would be very convenient for the customer.

However, Yamaha, Kawai, and Roland are all separate companies with different manufacturing processes, distribution models, and pricing structures. It's therefore not always possible for companies to sell a product at the same price as its rivals.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Korny
Also as far as I could conclude, the action is not better [...]

Have you been able to try the actions in person? Or what is the basis for your conclusion on the actions?

I am really interested about people's opinions who have tried the new Kawai RH Compact in person.
I have tried CN25 with RH-III action and very very liked it just chose KDP-90 for budget reasons... If RH Compact is at least half way from AHAIV-F to RH-III it sounds very interesting...
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jasper E.
Originally Posted by Korny
Also as far as I could conclude, the action is not better [...]

Have you been able to try the actions in person? Or what is the basis for your conclusion on the actions?

I am really interested about people's opinions who have tried the new Kawai RH Compact in person.
I have tried CN25 with RH-III action and very very liked it just chose KDP-90 for budget reasons... If RH Compact is at least half way from AHAIV-F to RH-III it sounds very interesting...


I have tried AHAIV-F but not the RH compact ... here is someone that has it already and his tests on it show some problems already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM9QW64Lfpo
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/23/17 09:32 PM

So an update to that video... the E3-G3 have quieted down over the ensuing week. There is still a small amount of "spring" noise (that's the best I can describe it) but it's now barely audible. A3 still has a very audible "clunk" which is different than the sound E3-G3 make. I've to an e-mail in to Kawai support but haven't heard back yet.

All that said, when I have headphones on (which is pretty much all of the time) I can't hear any of it. In terms of feel, it's really quite astounding and incredibly solid. Unfortunately I can't easily A-B compare to the 100, though I played on a 100 in a store a few weeks before purchasing the 110. AFAIKT there isn't any difference in the action feel. In fact, I go so far as to say the action feels as good to me as my teacher's 70's Steinway grand, and it's noticeably better than the no-name 80 year old upright we have in my house smile
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/24/17 06:19 AM

squidbot, thank you for the update, I'm glad to read that you're enjoying your ES110.

Now that NAMM has passed, I expect my colleagues at Kawai America will respond to you shortly.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/25/17 07:50 AM

Good overview from Rudi at Better Music:



Looks (and sounds) like the ES110 was connected to the single speaker on the left of the screen, so only a mono reproduction unfortunately. Still a nice demonstration of the instrument's main features though.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/25/17 11:15 AM

Hello Korny,

I do not think such an individual issue -- which could easily be shipment damage -- hoping the best for squidbot with Kawai support -- is informative about RH Compact action...

I understand your comment about Kawai AHAIV-F action vs. Roland PHA4-Standard or PHA3-Standard...
James mentioned the RH Compact as a significant improvement over AHAIV-F, so I hope it is indeed a significant improvement. I hope it is at least as close to RH-III as to AHAIV-F, to be honest smile

I hope to get independent reviews over time and sooner or later going to try out myself, but that is likely to happen in a few months if not later.
Posted By: jjo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/25/17 04:49 PM

A year and a half ago I bought an ES100. While I really like it, I use it for gigging and I'm not sure I'll be able to avoid buying the new, LIGHTER WEIGHT, version. My 61 year old back may demand that!
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/17 06:05 AM

I like the way piano sounds on the Kawai ES110 Concert Grand demonstrated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Y5TldDkng
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/17 06:19 AM

As I could understand, the ES110 has the same piano sounds and engine as previous ES100. So, here is a link to the post about best unders $1000 pianos, and the Es100 specifications (http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2167459/1.html). How does this compare to the newer model?:
Kawai ES100
Price: 700 US$
Key action: Advanced Key action IV-F
Keytops: Glossy white keys and matte black keys
Key fulcrum: 72.5% of a real Piano - Key dip: Front 12mm, Rear 4.35mm
Number of sensors per key: 2
Maximum polyphony: 192
Maximum number of pedals: 3
Repedalling: Yes
Half-pedal: 16 steps pedal using the included F-10H pedal
Pedal sympathetic resonance: Yes, somewhat audible on default; much more audible on high setting. Fairly good quality of the effect for the price, and reacts realistically when repedalling
Key sympathetic resonance: No
Note sample: 87 note sampling - Except for a stretch group of 2, all notes are sampled
Attack sample: Fairly short - Very short on low notes; average on mid-to-high notes
Loops: Fairly short, but well implemented
Note decay: Medium - The initial decay is a little fast, and overall the decay is a little shorter than Pianoteq
Dynamic velocity timbre: Very good - No layer switching and good timbre variation
Realistic key-pedal damper interaction: No
Silent soft key: Yes
Damper pedal noise effect: Yes, and is velocity sensitive so the faster the pedal is press or release, the louder is the noise
Key-up noise effect: Yes, and noise is a little different with keys that don't have dampers
Highest keys has no dampers: Yes - Starting on G6
Built-in speakers: Good - 8cm x 2 Speakers; 7W x 2 Amplifiers
Weight: 15 kg (33.06 lbs.)
Release Year: 2013
Warranty: 3 years (US)
Country where is made: China
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/17 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Korny
As I could understand, the ES110 has the same piano sounds and engine as previous ES100. So, here is a link to the post about best unders $1000 pianos, and the Es100 specifications (http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2167459/1.html). How does this compare to the newer model?:


I guess you just need to go back for the very start of the topic...

Originally Posted by Kawai James
ES110 New Features & Improvements
  • New: Responsive Hammer Compact keyboard action
  • New: Bluetooth MIDI connectivity
  • New: Line Out jacks
  • Improved: 3.0 kg lighter than ES100 (15.0 kg --> 12.0 kg)
  • Improved: Larger, more powerful speakers (12x8 cm --> 12 cm)
  • Improved: Ability to toggle effects on/off from panel
  • Improved: Ability to toggle rotary speaker effect speed from panel
  • Improved: Ability to disable speakers and select 'Flat EQ' when using Line Out jacks
  • Improved: Virtual Technician iOS app support
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/17 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Korny
Another IMPORTANT issue among these 3 boards is the price point. In Europe Kawai is around $700, Yamaha is $670 and Roland is $600.
[...] Where is the other price difference coming from in Kawai and Yamaha boards? Is it just because of novelty reasons in ES110?

(reminder: the 3 boards were Roland FP-30, Kawai ES-100 or ES-110(?), Yamaha P-115)

I have just looked around exactly in this segment, trying to help to prepare a potential decision in some months/half a year at my local church.
I can mention that we could miss Line Out from Roland FP-30 and Kawai ES-100 (they have Jack Output) however Yamaha P115 and Kawai ES-110 both have such connectivity.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/17 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jasper E.
Originally Posted by Korny
As I could understand, the ES110 has the same piano sounds and engine as previous ES100. So, here is a link to the post about best unders $1000 pianos, and the Es100 specifications (http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2167459/1.html). How does this compare to the newer model?:


I guess you just need to go back for the very start of the topic...

Originally Posted by Kawai James
ES110 New Features & Improvements
  • New: Responsive Hammer Compact keyboard action
  • New: Bluetooth MIDI connectivity
  • New: Line Out jacks
  • Improved: 3.0 kg lighter than ES100 (15.0 kg --> 12.0 kg)
  • Improved: Larger, more powerful speakers (12x8 cm --> 12 cm)
  • Improved: Ability to toggle effects on/off from panel
  • Improved: Ability to toggle rotary speaker effect speed from panel
  • Improved: Ability to disable speakers and select 'Flat EQ' when using Line Out jacks
  • Improved: Virtual Technician iOS app support


Hi Jasper,
Yes, I know what you mean about the other improvements, but I only reffered to the PIANO ENGINE, SOUND ... ES110 has the same sampled piano sound this is what I meant.

And about the Line out, is true it would have been good to have it on both FP30 and ES100 but this is really not the most important feature for a DP but rather piano sounds and key touch.

On my FP30 the jacks from the Headphones deliver great, crisp Hi-Quality sound when I plug into the external amplifier. The only thing that really bothers me about this, is that I can't select the option for the internal speakers to stay on when I plug in through the headphones jack. The cable is just different for this kind of output line that is the same as headphone, and sometimes the volume needs to be put down a bit if the distortion comes in.
Posted By: meco73

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 01:00 AM

AZpianos has posted a review

i read something about not very objective reviewing process but just thought to leave it here...

http://azpianonews.blogspot.pt/2017/01/Kawai-ES110-REVIEW-Digital-Piano-Portable-low-price.html
Posted By: newer player

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by meco73
AZpianos has posted a review

i read something about not very objective reviewing process


Well they do sell pianos so think of these as comprehensive sales pitches. Magazines are similar but in paper form (well they sell indirectly via adverts).

The AZ product snapshots are quite detailed and read nicely. If someone is interested in preliminary research on a few digital pianos, that is not a bad site to start at. But not the last stop...

There is plenty of info in this very forum from actual users. And nothing beats trying the piano in a store...
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 01:48 AM

Thanks for posting the link meco73.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: bsd43

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by Korny

On my FP30 the jacks from the Headphones deliver great, crisp Hi-Quality sound when I plug into the external amplifier. The only thing that really bothers me about this, is that I can't select the option for the internal speakers to stay on when I plug in through the headphones jack. The cable is just different for this kind of output line that is the same as headphone, and sometimes the volume needs to be put down a bit if the distortion comes in.


Link to: FP30 Notice of Added Functions PDF
Muting the Speakers When Headphones Are Connected (Speaker Auto Mute)
You can specify whether the speakers are automatically muted when headphones are connected.
Operation Setting Explanation
FUNCTION button + F7 Off Sound is always output from the speakers.
FUNCTION button + F#7 On The speakers are muted if headphones are connected (default setting).
Posted By: sullivang

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 06:03 AM

In that AZpianos review, it says that it's the only DP under $1000 to feature 88-note sampling. Doesn't the FP30, at least, have 88-note sampling as well?

Greg.
Posted By: pwl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 06:54 AM

bsd43 - Thanks for that link and the very useful info!
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by sullivang
Doesn't the FP30, at least, have 88-note sampling as well?


Yes, I believe so.
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by meco73
AZpianos has posted a review

i read something about not very objective reviewing process but just thought to leave it here...

http://azpianonews.blogspot.pt/2017/01/Kawai-ES110-REVIEW-Digital-Piano-Portable-low-price.html


Interesting review, for me especially on the new key action. Thanks!
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 05:08 PM

A few more recent observations:

- "Concert Grand" is the best sound over the internal speakers, however, it's a little muddy on headphones. I've found I prefer to practice with "Studio Grand" which sounds quite good over the 'phones.

- I'm enjoying the feel more and more. I brought the board over to my teacher to check out, he's a Juiliard grad who's skeptical of digitals, but he had to admit, the keys felt really good as did the pedalling. He took more issue with the sound and dynamics, but his ear is many orders of magnitude more trained than mine laugh

- I played with the bluetooth MIDI for the first time this weekend. It was so easy to get going, it pretty much just worked. Unfortunately, it was to my iPhone, so it's kind of useless, for example GarageBand only supports it on the iPad, and none of my current computers support it. Would love if Pianoteq made an iOS version. I'll probably be getting a new computer soon that supports it as it's really nice to have no cables to worry about.

- I wish the registration would keep the metronome settings, or even better they would persist through power cycles. It's tedious to set it as it's done through a combination of pressing panel buttons and specific keys. I always want to turn off the key signature and turn the volume down.

- The rest of the pianos don't do much for me. They aren't bad, they're just not sounds I'm interested in. I would have liked a ragtime/honkytonk detuned sound. But, I can use Pianoteq for that.

- The e-piano's and organs are quite nice. I don't really use them, but they are fun to play with sometimes.

- The harpsichord is the only sound I'd classify as "god awful." It's really heavy and has far too many overtones. It's also velocity sensitive with dynamics by default. But again, Pianoteq has a very nice set of harpsichords available, so not a big deal.

- The strings, bass and vibes are fine, but I have no real use for them. I don't play music where I'd want them. If I did want the bass, I would definitely have wished for a settable split point added to the 110, most of the range of the bass is useless.

- I'd have been happy to pay $50 more for some sort of status LED's, especially on the instrument selections. I hope Kawai considers them for the next refresh, whenever that may be.

- I don't have much use for the practice songs, but my 9 year old absolutely loves them and has been driving me a bit crazy as he goes through all of them.

- Kawai support has been in contact with me about the key issues and already made some suggestions. Fantastic, personal support so far, I'm very impressed.

So my verdict at about two weeks, playing pretty much every day for an hour or two, I'm really, really happy with the purchase. I don't know that I'd have found a better device under a grand.
Posted By: jjo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 05:32 PM

squidbot: When you say you wish there was a settable split point for bass, do you mean that would have liked to be able to adjust the default split point? On the ES100 you can split the bass at the A below middle C, I believe.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by bsd43
Originally Posted by Korny

On my FP30 the jacks from the Headphones deliver great, crisp Hi-Quality sound when I plug into the external amplifier. The only thing that really bothers me about this, is that I can't select the option for the internal speakers to stay on when I plug in through the headphones jack. The cable is just different for this kind of output line that is the same as headphone, and sometimes the volume needs to be put down a bit if the distortion comes in.


Link to: FP30 Notice of Added Functions PDF
Muting the Speakers When Headphones Are Connected (Speaker Auto Mute)
You can specify whether the speakers are automatically muted when headphones are connected.
Operation Setting Explanation
FUNCTION button + F7 Off Sound is always output from the speakers.
FUNCTION button + F#7 On The speakers are muted if headphones are connected (default setting).


Hi bsd43,
THANK YOU FOR SHARING LIGHT ON THIS!!!
That's great news, I didn't know until now that you can do this with Fp30.
In the manual I have they don't have it written.
Did they updated this now online?
I just tried and indeed it really works!
It sounds better only with my sutdio monitors, but if I need the internal speakers for more power this is a great feture to have.
Thanks again! Are there any other improvements Roland made soon on the Fp30?
I installed the latest update from December 2016.
Kind regards,
Cornel
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by jjo
squidbot: When you say you wish there was a settable split point for bass, do you mean that would have liked to be able to adjust the default split point? On the ES100 you can split the bass at the A below middle C, I believe.


Yes, the split point is fixed, according to the manual: "* The split point is fixed between keys F#3 and G3."
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by squidbot
A few more recent observations:

- "Concert Grand" is the best sound over the internal speakers, however, it's a little muddy on headphones. I've found I prefer to practice with "Studio Grand" which sounds quite good over the 'phones.

- I'm enjoying the feel more and more. I brought the board over to my teacher to check out, he's a Juiliard grad who's skeptical of digitals, but he had to admit, the keys felt really good as did the pedalling. He took more issue with the sound and dynamics, but his ear is many orders of magnitude more trained than mine laugh

- I played with the bluetooth MIDI for the first time this weekend. It was so easy to get going, it pretty much just worked. Unfortunately, it was to my iPhone, so it's kind of useless, for example GarageBand only supports it on the iPad, and none of my current computers support it. Would love if Pianoteq made an iOS version. I'll probably be getting a new computer soon that supports it as it's really nice to have no cables to worry about.

- I wish the registration would keep the metronome settings, or even better they would persist through power cycles. It's tedious to set it as it's done through a combination of pressing panel buttons and specific keys. I always want to turn off the key signature and turn the volume down.

- The rest of the pianos don't do much for me. They aren't bad, they're just not sounds I'm interested in. I would have liked a ragtime/honkytonk detuned sound. But, I can use Pianoteq for that.

- The e-piano's and organs are quite nice. I don't really use them, but they are fun to play with sometimes.

- The harpsichord is the only sound I'd classify as "god awful." It's really heavy and has far too many overtones. It's also velocity sensitive with dynamics by default. But again, Pianoteq has a very nice set of harpsichords available, so not a big deal.

- The strings, bass and vibes are fine, but I have no real use for them. I don't play music where I'd want them. If I did want the bass, I would definitely have wished for a settable split point added to the 110, most of the range of the bass is useless.

- I'd have been happy to pay $50 more for some sort of status LED's, especially on the instrument selections. I hope Kawai considers them for the next refresh, whenever that may be.

- I don't have much use for the practice songs, but my 9 year old absolutely loves them and has been driving me a bit crazy as he goes through all of them.

- Kawai support has been in contact with me about the key issues and already made some suggestions. Fantastic, personal support so far, I'm very impressed.

So my verdict at about two weeks, playing pretty much every day for an hour or two, I'm really, really happy with the purchase. I don't know that I'd have found a better device under a grand.


Glad for your enjoyment over the ES110. Can you say that the issue with the keys noises are now solved ? It would be helpful to know if there is any improvement on that.

You said you don't know if you could have found a better device under a grand, but may I kindly suggest that this is because you probably didn't try the Roland Fp30? I would love to try an ES110 but there is no place in my country I can try it, but if it's pretty close to the ES100, and only the touch is a bit improved, I must say Fp30 is a much better choice. As far as the sound, for sure Fp30 has a better sound as I could compare them in videos straight from the outputs. I only have to compare touch and feel, but I really enjoy the escapement feature and Ivory feel and 3 sensors that Fp30 has, so as Es110 lacks it, I doubt there can be a better touch with ES110. But if you enjoy it this is what it's important and I'm glad for you. We all are different and some like things the way the others don't, so I understand there needs to be a diversity in the DP market.
Cheers, Cornel
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by squidbot
Originally Posted by jjo
squidbot: When you say you wish there was a settable split point for bass, do you mean that would have liked to be able to adjust the default split point? On the ES100 you can split the bass at the A below middle C, I believe.


Yes, the split point is fixed, according to the manual: "* The split point is fixed between keys F#3 and G3."


Here is another point where Roland Fp30 wins, it splits from B1 to B6:
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/FP-30_e02_W.pdf page 2 down in the right
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by sullivang
In that AZpianos review, it says that it's the only DP under $1000 to feature 88-note sampling. Doesn't the FP30, at least, have 88-note sampling as well?

Greg.


That guy needs to test-drive something else and not pianos if he can say such a ridiculous thing as this. Of course other keyboars under $1000 and under the price of Es110 have BETTER sampling and modeling pianos and way BETTER sound specially due to sympathetic resonance that ES110 lacks. Let the specs talk compared only with Fp30:
Cons on ES110:
- No escapement feature as real grand pianos have
- No ivory feel touch as top price DP and Grand Pianos have
- Number of sensors per key: only 2
- Half-pedal: only 16 steps pedal using the included F-10H pedal
- Key sympathetic resonance: No
- Note sample: only 87 note sampling - Except for a stretch group of 2, all notes are sampled
- Attack sample: Fairly short - Very short on low notes; average on mid-to-high notes
- Note decay: Medium
- Realistic key-pedal damper interaction: No
- Built-in speakers: 7W x 2 Amplifiers

Compare full specs of ES110 and FP30 bellow:

Kawai ES110
Key action:RH-C
Keytops: Glossy white keys and matte black keys
Number of sensors per key: 2
Maximum polyphony: 192
Maximum number of pedals: 3
Repedalling: Yes
Half-pedal: 16 steps pedal using the included F-10H pedal
Pedal sympathetic resonance: Yes, somewhat audible on default; much more audible on high setting. Fairly good quality of the effect for the price, and reacts realistically when repedalling
Key sympathetic resonance: No
Note sample: 87 note sampling - Except for a stretch group of 2, all notes are sampled
Attack sample: Fairly short - Very short on low notes; average on mid-to-high notes
Loops: Fairly short, but well implemented
Note decay: Medium - The initial decay is a little fast, and overall the decay is a little shorter than Pianoteq
Dynamic velocity timbre: Very good - No layer switching and good timbre variation
Realistic key-pedal damper interaction: No
Silent soft key: Yes
Damper pedal noise effect: Yes, and is velocity sensitive so the faster the pedal is press or release, the louder is the noise
Key-up noise effect: Yes, and noise is a little different with keys that don't have dampers
Highest keys has no dampers: Yes - Starting on G6
Built-in speakers: 7W x 2 Amplifiers

Roland FP-30
Key action: PHA-4 with escapement
Keytops: Ivory texture on white keys and matte black keys
Number of sensors per key: 3
Maximum polyphony: 128
Maximum number of pedals: 3
Repedalling: Yes
Half-pedal: 128 steps (continuous) (0, 1, 2, 3...127 values) using DP-10 pedal
Pedal sympathetic resonance: Yes
Key sympathetic resonance: yes
Note sample: Very long
Attack sample: very long
Loops: No loops, as far I can notes. If it has loops, is at the end of the sound and is not really notable.
Note decay: Long
Dynamic velocity timbre: Excellent - Good timbre variation and smooth transitions.
Realistic key-pedal damper interaction: Yes
Silent soft key: Yes
Damper pedal noise effect: (need someone to test this)
Key-up noise effect: (need someone to test this)
Highest keys has no dampers: Yes
Built-in speakers: 11W x 2 Amplifiers
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 07:05 PM

I have to add also the PRO, advantages of Kawai Es110, that I like, to be fair:
- Polyphony 192
- The separate Output Lines
- Dedicated Midi ports (but indeed it was better to have a usb port insted)
- Lighter weight
- More piano sounds choices
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Korny
You said you don't know if you could have found a better device under a grand, but may I kindly suggest that this is because you probably didn't try the Roland Fp30?


You could suggest it, but you would be incorrect. I played an FP30 side by side with the ES100 and I preferred the ES100 feel to the FP30. And I prefer the ES110 feel to the ES100, so logically, I prefer the ES110 over the FP30. I'm not going to argue it feature wise, the FP30 probably has more, but I don't need nor care about those features. Key feel within my budget was my primary objective.

As to your other question, I'm still working with Kawai on the key sound issue. It's a new action for them, so there isn't a lot of data yet on the problem and they are working with me to figure it out.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by squidbot
Originally Posted by Korny
You said you don't know if you could have found a better device under a grand, but may I kindly suggest that this is because you probably didn't try the Roland Fp30?


You could suggest it, but you would be incorrect. I played an FP30 side by side with the ES100 and I preferred the ES100 feel to the FP30. And I prefer the ES110 feel to the ES100, so logically, I prefer the ES110 over the FP30. I'm not going to argue it feature wise, the FP30 probably has more, but I don't need nor care about those features. Key feel within my budget was my primary objective.

As to your other question, I'm still working with Kawai on the key sound issue. It's a new action for them, so there isn't a lot of data yet on the problem and they are working with me to figure it out.


Ok, great, the action felt this way to you, I can't argue your personal taste.
As I said before, we all think something is better than other in OUR view, and that's why we should all be able to try them side by side and decide for our own taste.
About the action support, I hope this will be solved and please let us know when it does.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/30/17 07:25 PM

About this:

Quote
ES110: Half-pedal: 16 steps pedal using the included F-10H pedal
FP-30: Half-pedal: 128 steps (continuous) (0, 1, 2, 3...127 values) using DP-10 pedal


What exactly is being measured here? There are a few things it could be:

1. Does the pedal itself output continuous MIDI values of 0-127?
2. How do the DPs respond to the pedal output? Are there 16 different sustain responses on the ES110? And Are there 128 different sustain responses on the FP-30? Or is it a case where the FP-30 sees continuous MIDI 0-127 input from the pedal, and only has 8 (for example) sustain responses (so MIDI signals 0-7 do the same thing, 8-15 do the same thing, etc.)?

IMO 16 sustain responses should be more than enough. There's a limited amount of partial pedaling where a difference can be heard in the sustain response, but I've never thought it was more than a few...it'd be more of a con if the F-10H pedal only output 16 MIDI values, that would really limit its usability with other DPs or instruments (but is less of a problem with the ES-110 itself).
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 07:04 AM

Hello Korny,

Originally Posted by Korny
I would love to try an ES110 but there is no place in my country I can try it...


May I ask where you are based? I may be able to assist you with your search.

Originally Posted by Korny
I doubt there can be a better touch with ES110. But if you enjoy it this is what it's important and I'm glad for you.


Hmmm...maybe it wasn't your intention, but that sounds just a little condescending.

Originally Posted by Korny
We all are different and some like things the way the others don't, so I understand there needs to be a diversity in the DP market.


Agreed! Consumers are fortunate to have a good selection of great sub-$1000 boards to choose from.

Originally Posted by Korny
Ok, great, the action felt this way to you, I can't argue your personal taste. As I said before, we all think something is better than other in OUR view...


Evidently! wink

Originally Posted by Korny
...and that's why we should all be able to try them side by side and decide for our own taste.


Agreed. I wonder if your own opinion will change when you eventually have a chance to play-test the ES110 for yourself? Again, if you would be willing to share your location, I shall try to place you in touch with a local Kawai dealer. Given the frequency of your posts in this thread, it's clear that you're very interested in the ES110! wink

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 07:19 AM

Hello squidbot,

Thank you for your useful feedback. I shall pass this on to the product development team.

To comment on one of your points:

Originally Posted by squidbot
- I wish the registration would keep the metronome settings, or even better they would persist through power cycles. It's tedious to set it as it's done through a combination of pressing panel buttons and specific keys. I always want to turn off the key signature and turn the volume down.


I believe it's intentional for Registration memories to not store metronome settings. This is because the metronome function also incorporates the 100 drum patterns, so there's the possibility where changing registrations (to select a sound) could unintentionally change the drum pattern while playing. In order to store your preferred metronome key signature and volume so that they are restored after a power cycle, please use the 'Startup Settings' function explained on page 49 of the owner's manual.

Originally Posted by squidbot
So my verdict at about two weeks, playing pretty much every day for an hour or two, I'm really, really happy with the purchase. I don't know that I'd have found a better device under a grand.


Thank you very much for your positive feedback!

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 10:42 AM

something you forgot about to mention:
+ improved action (to be tried out for most of us yet) -- for many of us this is one of the most important questions!
+ line outs
+ flat EQ available (this can become important for some -- I could not find any reference for flat EQ in the Roland manual you linked)
+ depending on the location, significantly better warranty terms (at my location 5 years vs. 2 years) -- for many of us this is also an important point

I also wonder what do you mean about realistic key-pedal interaction, especially with respect to comments by Gombessa -- signals sent by pedal vs. interpretation of the signals on the digital piano side... have you experimented a lot with your FP-30?

The sampled vs. modeled sound point is pretty subjective. So far I would vote for sampled -- for my ears the end result is more natural and closer to an acoustic.

I have the feeling that you highlight some features that are "nice to have", for me at least, but perhaps in this price segment in general.

Actually I see the pros / cons pretty fairly balanced among Roland FP-30 and Kawai ES-110, and there is no single optimal decision among the two -- which is better depends on lots of factors, including how much are you going to use headphones/integrated speakers/external amplifier and also up to personal taste at the end.

To be honest, if I have to name a manufacturer that I find not so attractive in this segment, it is Yamaha -- especially due to I find GHS (and even GH) key action not really competetive against newer actions from both Kawai and Roland...
I hope Yamaha will finally respond to the market change and provide significantly better actions than GHS and GH in the low and low middle segment. Perhaps the lifecycle of a key action at Yamaha is simply a bit longer and hopefully we could expect a huge improvement for the next 5-8 years? I hope so...

That is how market is to work, competing with better and better products leading to better market position on the long term, inspiring the competitor manufacturers to invent into better products smile
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Jasper E.
The sampled vs. modeled sound point is pretty subjective. So far I would vote for sampled -- for my ears the end result is more natural and closer to an acoustic.

It's not really relevant for the discussion anyway (I don't know why the other poster brought it up), because the FP-30 is not modeled either. It is sample based too.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 11:38 AM

Hello James,
Well I have talked to the Kawai representative here and they said it's only going to come in a month or so in their showroom that is only based in the capital of the country Bucharest. So, in Romania there are not many places that have Kawai to be tested. Imagine what would happend if I had a Kawai product and I had to use the warranty, how long would it take for them to repair it? (Specially seeing the problems squidbot had with the keys not working properly) Roland, Korg, Kurzweill, Yamaha and others have places of showroom here, but not Kawai...too bad for the company. Maybe I would think better about Kawai's products if I could test them somewhere closer.
Anyway, I still think ES110 can't even come closer to Roland Fp30 in touch and sound.
By the way, the Roland SuperNatural Piano sound is a combination of Sampling and Modelling not only Sampling, and this is why I think it is the best sound, much more character and fullness given to the sound (see this for more details: http://www.rolandus.com/blog/2013/06/04/what-is-supernatural/).

Warranty related, in here both give 3 years warranty. What really matters is to see that Roland has a lot longer lasting keyboards compared to Yamaha and Kawai, as you can see for yourself in the users experiences. This means a Roland will last longer without problems.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Korny
Dedicated Midi ports (but indeed it was better to have a usb port insted)

Strong objection, not "instead" only additionally to MIDI.

USB is susceptible to ground loops, especially when using Line Out with the same computer, while MIDI is optically separated. Connecting an USB audio interface to the board via Line audio and its MIDI ports is fine (also uses only one USB port). Having to connect the board additionally via USB additionally to get MIDI data can produce noise.

The best solution would be when the board transmits both audio and MIDI over USB, but no budget digital piano does this.
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Korny

Anyway, I still think ES110 can't even come closer to Roland Fp30 in touch and sound.

Do you include key action into touch?

Originally Posted by Korny

Warranty related, in here both give 3 years warranty. What really matters is to see that Roland has a lot longer lasting keyboards compared to Yamaha and Kawai, as you can see for yourself in the users experiences. This means a Roland will last longer without problems.


That is a bit surprising, especially due to 5 years warranty by Kawai Europe .
Perhaps Romanian distibutor takes the digital pianos not from Kawai Europe for whatever reasons... like distributors in Scandinavia?
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jasper E.
Originally Posted by Korny

Anyway, I still think ES110 can't even come closer to Roland Fp30 in touch and sound.

Do you include key action into touch?

Originally Posted by Korny

Warranty related, in here both give 3 years warranty. What really matters is to see that Roland has a lot longer lasting keyboards compared to Yamaha and Kawai, as you can see for yourself in the users experiences. This means a Roland will last longer without problems.


That is a bit surprising, especially due to 5 years warranty by Kawai Europe .
Perhaps Romanian distibutor takes the digital pianos not from Kawai Europe for whatever reasons... like distributors in Scandinavia?


Yes, including the action I think it's a lot better, having the escapement feature, and feeling a lot more natural due to the Ivory tops, and of course the PHA4 action is very smooth and responsive, and as I could understand from those that palyed both actions side by side, the PHA4 is more naturally weighted, and a bit heavier than RH-C. This makes it a lot closer to the grand pianos I was used to play.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 05:33 PM

Having not yet seen an ES110 in the flesh, I don't think I could ever make such a sweeping statement, but maybe that's just me. PHA-III and IV are both pretty great actions IMO, and I think we're quickly coming to a point where the various tiers between manufacturers are converging in quality/authenticity--it's a really great time to be in the market for a budget DP.
Posted By: dominic70s

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/31/17 09:50 PM

Could someone that already owns an es110 make for us a recording of the same material through the headphone outputs, then the line outs and finally with the Flat EQ (line out)?

That would be very helpful for many of us considering to make the upgrade to the es110.

Thanks very much.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
In order to store your preferred metronome key signature and volume so that they are restored after a power cycle, please use the 'Startup Settings' function explained on page 49 of the owner's manual.


Brilliant! Apparently I need to RTFM a little more closely. Thanks so much. That's exactly what I wanted and there it was under my nose.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by dominic70s
Could someone that already owns an es110 make for us a recording of the same material through the headphone outputs, then the line outs and finally with the Flat EQ (line out)?

That would be very helpful for many of us considering to make the upgrade to the es110.

Thanks very much.


Let me see if I have the correct cables around this weekend. If so, I'll try it out. For consistency I'll play a disklavier recorded MIDI file through it. Any suggestions on good source material? I'm pretty new to this type of testing.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Having not yet seen an ES110 in the flesh, I don't think I could ever make such a sweeping statement, but maybe that's just me. PHA-III and IV are both pretty great actions IMO, and I think we're quickly coming to a point where the various tiers between manufacturers are converging in quality/authenticity--it's a really great time to be in the market for a budget DP.


Just considering the technical specs I can conclude that PHA4 is superior in this aspects: 1. One more sensor per each key (3 of Fp30 instead of 2 of ES110) - Triple sensor improves repetition speed and responsiveness. - Kawai has it also implemented but only in their more expensive pianos, with more expensive actions like RH3 and up ...
2. Escapement feature (this means an extra element that Es110 doesn't have) in fact Roland Fp30 is the only DP in this low price range to have this similar to Grand Piano feature. Look just at Kawai RH3 action and see that they have this feature for more expensive pianos.
3. Ivory feel of the keys - this helps you a lot playing especially if your hands start sweating, it prevents the surface to get slippery. See also RH3 action that has this Ivory feel for considerably more expensive pianos.
4. Roland's PHA4 is a long tested and prooved for Long lasting building quality, since Kawai's RH-C is really new and as we can see the problems are yet to be solved with some noises in it. You never know how many issues may appear as they had more reliability issues in the past with some of their actions as you can clearly see on the web.

Having Roland adding this features that you can only get on more expensive pianos on all other brands, and that these features get the action of a DP closer to the action of a Grand Piano, it tells me a lot. I can conclude even without testing it yet, that PHA4 is indeed SUPERIOR to RH-C no matter what it feels like to me.

For me it's more important to have the techinical specs talk than to actually just say my opinion in how I felt the action. The way you feel a certain action is just subjective and everyone feels different related to their previous experience with other pianos. I don't think that just really playing the RH-C action in flesh, will change any of the specs, or would improve the RH-C in any way that it lacks.

Above all this lacks, the ES110 is still more expensive with $100 that just doesn't justify in the market today.
I think you could save some money and get the best entry level DP that gets close to a Grand Piano action, touch, feel and sound, by buying the FP30.
This is what I did already and I am very happy with my decision.
I would only buy the ES110 if it was better and with the same price. I am sure Kawai will have it's crowd of buyers that doesn't care for the technical specs, or for the sound, but more for the lighter action and for the added midi and outs connectivity or even for the easier weight.
So, no worries, you have plenty of entry level DPs to choose from, even if you are a very entry level beginner.
But for someone more experimented that just wants better sound and action to come closer to the Grand Piano, and to cost only around $600, the FP30 is definitely the best choice.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 06:12 AM

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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 06:16 AM

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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 06:19 AM

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Posted By: sonion

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 06:58 AM

Hi James,

May I ask if you can help me to check if any distributors for Kawai ES110 in Finland?
I checked the distributor in Kawai Global website, but it seems out-of-date as the distributor's link cannot access.
As not many stores sell Kawai here, I need to consider other options, because I cannot try it out and maintenance may be difficult if I buy it from other countries in Europe.

Thank you.
Posted By: bsd43

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 07:44 AM

Korny, we get it. Thank you.
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 08:01 AM

A quick question to Kawai James:
Does RH-Compact key action have let-off mechanism?
[ I guess the different terminology (escapement vs. let-off) is a bit too tricky for some wink ]
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 08:39 AM

Hello Korny,

First, congratulations on the purchase of your FP-30!
It's a great instrument, and very competitively priced.

Originally Posted by Korny
Well I have talked to the Kawai representative here and they said it's only going to come in a month or so in their showroom that is only based in the capital of the country Bucharest. So, in Romania there are not many places that have Kawai to be tested.


Okay, thank you for sharing your location.
I'm glad to hear that Kawai's Romanian distributor will have the ES110 available just a month or so after the product was announced - that's pretty good going! wink However, I can also appreciate that some customers may need to travel in order to play-test the latest models.

Originally Posted by Korny
Imagine what would happend if I had a Kawai product and I had to use the warranty, how long would it take for them to repair it?


I'm afraid I'm not fully aware of the warranty procedure in every single market, however I expect that if an instrument was to develop a fault, the customer would contact their dealer/distributor, who in turn would either send a technician to investigate and resolve the matter, or ask for the product to be returned to the store.

Originally Posted by Korny
Anyway, I still think ES110 can't even come closer to Roland Fp30 in touch and sound.


I would argue that both instruments are competitive, and that the decision to buy one model over the other will ultimately depend on an individual's personal preference. However, if I shared your opinion, I expect I would also buy an FP-30. wink

Originally Posted by Korny
...as I could understand from those that palyed both actions side by side, the PHA4 is more naturally weighted, and a bit heavier than RH-C.


That sounds like an interesting comparison. May I ask if you can provide a link to this discussion, please?

Originally Posted by Korny
Just considering the technical specs I can conclude that PHA4 is superior...

Originally Posted by Korny
I can conclude even without testing it yet, that PHA4 is indeed SUPERIOR to RH-C no matter what it feels like to me.


I believe that technical specs are a useful starting point for comparing digital pianos, however I strongly disagree that an individual can conclude anything without play-testing an instrument for themselves. Specifications alone do not tell the whole story. For example, there are software piano libraries that feature over 100 velocity layers, yet this does not necessarily guarantee that they will sound or play more realistically than packages that utilise a fraction of the resources.

Originally Posted by Korny
The way you feel a certain action is just subjective and everyone feels different related to their previous experience with other pianos.


I whole-heartedly agree. wink

Originally Posted by Korny
I don't think that just really playing the RH-C action in flesh, will change any of the specs, or would improve the RH-C in any way that it lacks.


Well, playing the the action will obviously not changes the specs - those are already defined by the hardware. However it may well influence an individual's opinion. A customer may be sold on the idea of purchasing one product, having written-off the specifications of another, yet completely change their decision after trying-out the various models in the flesh. Granted, this may be less feasible in the age of online retail, especially in areas with fewer bricks and mortar dealers. However, I remain hopeful that conscientious shoppers will continue to make their purchasing decisions based on personal experience with a product, rather than simply comparing specification tables, watching YouTube reviews, or indeed reading the subjective comments (including thinly-veiled criticism from forum fanboys) posted on PianoWorld.

Originally Posted by Korny
I am very happy with my decision [to buy the Roland FP-30].


Really? Then may I ask why (at the time of writing) 24 of your 34 contributions to PianoWorld have been to undermine the quality and value of a competing instrument discussed in this thread?

As stated at the beginning of this post, I believe the FP-30 is a great instrument and very competitive. However, there are a number of other good quality portable pianos available in this price range, including the recently announced ES110. Despite your criticisms, I believe Kawai's latest offering is also very competitive, with good upgrades and useful new features that customers will appreciate. I'm not going to make sweeping claims that the ES110 is "the best choice" or "the only option", however I'm confident that many players looking for a portable sub-$1000 board will enjoy its touch, sound, and features, and decide that it's the piano for them.

To echo Gombessa's words, it's a really great time to be in the market for a budget DP. wink

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by sonion
...any distributors for Kawai ES110 in Finland?


Looks like the current Kawai importer is in bankruptcy, so that's why the site is down.

Where in Finland would be convenient for you? It's a tall country. wink
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 10:19 AM

Hello sonion, welcome to the forum.

Originally Posted by sonion
May I ask if you can help me to check if any distributors for Kawai ES110 in Finland?
I checked the distributor in Kawai Global website, but it seems out-of-date as the distributor's link cannot access.


Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

I raised this topic with one of my colleagues responsible for the Finnish market, who has confirmed that Kawai is in the process of establishing a new distributor for this region. I have removed the previous distributor's entry from the Kawai-Global.com website, and will update the information once negotiations with our new distributor are finalised.

In the mean time, you may wish to contact Kawai Europe directly for further information regarding the availability of Kawai instruments in your region.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 10:29 AM

Hello Jasper E.

Originally Posted by Jasper E.
A quick question to Kawai James:
Does RH-Compact key action have let-off mechanism?


No, it does not.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: sonion

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James

I raised this topic with one of my colleagues responsible for the Finnish market, who has confirmed that Kawai is in the process of establishing a new distributor for this region. I have removed the previous distributor's entry from the Kawai-Global.com website, and will update the information once negotiations with our new distributor are finalised.

In the mean time, you may wish to contact Kawai Europe directly for further information regarding the availability of Kawai instruments in your region.


Thank you James. I will look at Kawai Europe for further information.
I hope Kawai will soon have the new distributor in Finland. Play-testing is really important for me to make a buy decision :b.

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo

Where in Finland would be convenient for you? It's a tall country. wink

wink
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Jasper E.

Originally Posted by Jasper E.
A quick question to Kawai James:
Does RH-Compact key action have let-off mechanism?


No, it does not.

Cheers,
James
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Thanks for the quick reply, James, even if I do not like it that much... I hoped RH-C mimicked RH-III more closely...
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Korny
Just considering the technical specs I can conclude that PHA4 is superior in this aspects: 1. One more sensor per each key (3 of Fp30 instead of 2 of ES110) - Triple sensor improves repetition speed and responsiveness.

Third sensor allows use of advanced grand piano technique, but nobody this far ahead into piano looks for a DP in this price range. Other issues with repetition are usually software-related (Note-Off/Note-On succession) and can be fixed there.

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2. Escapement feature (this means an extra element that Es110 doesn't have)

That's a matter of preference. Acoustic upright pianos feature no escapement notches either.

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3. Ivory feel of the keys

That's a matter of preference, too. Many acoustic pianos with plastic keytops don't have "Ivory feel" either.

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Above all this lacks, the ES110 is still more expensive with $100 that just doesn't justify in the market today.

It offers native MIDI and LINE outputs, so it makes an affordable gig board.

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But for someone more experimented that just wants better sound and action to come closer to the Grand Piano, and to cost only around $600.

Let's face it: $600 and "close to a grand piano" doesn't really match up. With this budget we look for a good piano sound with a good playable action and not for an AvantGrand N3X replacement.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Korny
Just considering the technical specs I can conclude that PHA4 is superior in this aspects: 1. One more sensor per each key (3 of Fp30 instead of 2 of ES110) - Triple sensor improves repetition speed and responsiveness.

Third sensor allows use of advanced grand piano technique, but nobody this far ahead into piano looks for a DP in this price range. Other issues with repetition are usually software-related (Note-Off/Note-On succession) and can be fixed there.

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2. Escapement feature (this means an extra element that Es110 doesn't have)

That's a matter of preference. Acoustic upright pianos feature no escapement notches either.

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3. Ivory feel of the keys

That's a matter of preference, too. Many acoustic pianos with plastic keytops don't have "Ivory feel" either.

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Above all this lacks, the ES110 is still more expensive with $100 that just doesn't justify in the market today.

It offers native MIDI and LINE outputs, so it makes an affordable gig board.

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But for someone more experimented that just wants better sound and action to come closer to the Grand Piano, and to cost only around $600.

Let's face it: $600 and "close to a grand piano" doesn't really match up. With this budget we look for a good piano sound with a good playable action and not for an AvantGrand N3X replacement.


Ok, if this is as you are saying, why did the Kawai even bother having these "non-sense" extra-features in their higher priced digital pianos? I think it's just a great deal that Kawai can't match it but still asks for more money on their entry level ES110 than would be worth in our days.
By the way, have you played a FP30 to see what I mean by close to a grand piano? That doesn't mean it's exactly like a grand, but it gets as close as it can get in this price range, of course.
Cheers, Cornel
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 01:30 PM

Korny, with all due respect:

We understand that you really love your FP-30, and you are totally welcome to love it, as it is indeed a fine piano for the price.

Nonetheless, you are sort of spamming this thread, which is about the ES110 announcement after all, with your FP-30 enthusiasm. There's a thread for the FP-30 too, you know?
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by JoBert
Korny, with all due respect:

We understand that you really love your FP-30, and you are totally welcome to love it, as it is indeed a fine piano for the price.

Nonetheless, you are sort of spamming this thread, which is about the ES110 announcement after all, with your FP-30 enthusiasm. There's a thread for the FP-30 too, you know?


Is it a spam to compare two DPs with facts? Or is it becoming uncomfortable for someone?
I have looked and compared days in a row DPs and this is why I got to this conclusion.
Unlike others that try to sell their brand on this forum, I am only willing to help others like me that are looking for the best product in this price range. Facts are facts, and you can't deny them. Sorry if I bothered anyone about this.
I am also posting in the Fp30 posts, don't worry about this.
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 03:12 PM

The problem is not that you are comparing the two DPs. The problem is not even that you did this in this thread. But you are not letting it go. That is what is disrupting. Whenever someone talks about the ES110 (which is the purpose of this thread), you chime in with why you think the FP30 is better. An opinion that is totally OK to have, btw, but that is off topic for this thread, so stating it once should have been enough. No need to re-iterate it all the time.

That is disrupting people who want to talk about the ES110 in this thread. It is also annoying for people that see in the forum that there is a new post in the thread and think "Ah - let's see what someone wrote about the ES110" who then click to realize "Oh, its just that guy again, talking about his FP30 again".

Imagine you were hanging out with some friends discussing last night's soccer game and every time you talk about it, one of the guys explains to you why soccer is stupid and boring and why american football is better. At the beginning you would probably accept to hear his opinion, but after some time, you would just ask the guy to "please, we now know that you like american football better, but we would like to discuss soccer, if you don't mind? So let us, please..."

If you want to discuss why (you think) the FP30 is better than the ES110, why not open a new thread?
Posted By: Marko in Boston

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Korny
Is it a spam to compare two DPs with facts?

Maybe not exactly spam, but somewhat taking over the thread. You could have simply created a new thread such as "ES110 VS FP30 Comparisons"

Originally Posted by Korny
Or is it becoming uncomfortable for someone?

That's just silly.

Originally Posted by Korny
Unlike others that try to sell their brand on this forum

I might be interpreting this wrong and apologize if so, but if this is intended to be a jab at James you are so way off the mark. He has never claimed that Kawai is "better" or try to "sell" us Kawai products. He has only suggested to put Kawai on the list if in the market for a digital piano and why. However, you are new and have not yet experienced his fairness and integrity over the years. As well as his tireless contributions to this forum regardless of anyone's brand loyalty - including his own. (hence his 12,586 posts)

Originally Posted by Korny
Facts are facts, and you can't deny them.

This might be true. However, some people like Hondas and some like Toyotas. Both great cars and very similar. But one will like the other a bit more for whatever reason and purchase it.

Originally Posted by Korny
Sorry if I bothered anyone about this.

Starting to get a little annoying having all the FP30 posts on the ES110 thread. We know FP30 is a great board from the other threads. Just trying to learn and share our discovers for the ES110 on this thread.


Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 04:05 PM

Earlier I mentioned I would appreciate to read from people who could trythe RH-Compact action -- now I would like to add that I am interested in particular comparison of the RH-Compact with AHAIV-F and RH III.

I do not mean the technical specs here but pure personal experience and feelings.
Rspecially by people who are not working for any manufacturer and are not financially interested in digital piano sales at all.
Posted By: pwl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 08:43 PM

RH-Compact vs. AHAIV-F: This is just my feeling from playing both of these (a tiny data point to add to, hopefully, more extensive reports from others).

A couple of years ago I played the ES100 numerous times at different dealers. The action, to me, always felt like I was simply pushing a lever down.

In a brief session with the ES110 last week I felt some bounce and "balance", qualities I feel in my acoustic piano. Yes, the action is light, and it certainly doesn't have the "complexity" and refinement of the higher-end Kawais - but I find it more engaging than the AHAIV-F.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 11:51 PM

Jasper E.,

Originally Posted by Jasper E.
Thanks for the quick reply.... I hoped RH-C mimicked RH-III more closely...


In terms of additional features, 'RH Compact' is arguably closer to the original 'RH(I)' action (which did not feature let-off simulation) than the 'RHIII' action, which includes extras such as counterweights within each key.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 11:51 PM

pwl, thank you for sharing your feedback.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/01/17 11:54 PM

Hello Korny,

Just to return to this point:

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Korny
...as I could understand from those that palyed both actions side by side, the PHA4 is more naturally weighted, and a bit heavier than RH-C.


That sounds like an interesting comparison. May I ask if you can provide a link to this discussion, please?


Again, any links would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Korny,

Just to return to this point:

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Korny
...as I could understand from those that palyed both actions side by side, the PHA4 is more naturally weighted, and a bit heavier than RH-C.


That sounds like an interesting comparison. May I ask if you can provide a link to this discussion, please?


Again, any links would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
James
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As you can read again, this is not about a link to a discussion online, is something I could understand.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 02:50 AM

So it seems I really bothered someone with my personal findings.
Please don't get me wrong, I don't hate Kawai in any way, and I am not a representative of Roland neither.
In my search for another keyboard, I considered Kawai, and this is why, my dissapointing findings about it made me conclude what I wrote. I didn't mean to bash anything, but just show the lacking points.
This are just my personal findings, and please excuse my over-emphasis on some points that bother.
Please see also my appreciations for ES110 , I really meant it.
If in your live testing of ES110 and FP30 side by side, you find something different than what I stated,
please buy ES110 and don't mind my points. I will be happy for you to buy something you need and enjoy playing, because after all this is the most important.
Cheers
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 04:02 AM

Hello Korny, thank you for your reply.

Originally Posted by Korny
As you can read again, this is not about a link to a discussion online, is something I could understand.


Okay, but you specifically stated "from those who have played both actions side by side", which suggests that these individuals' opinions have been written, recorded, or otherwise expressed somewhere.

My request to you was to share the source of this information.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: kulankot

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 06:10 PM

Hello,

This is my first post.
After reading a lot of reviews for digital pianos (im a beginner but already playing two different instruments), I finally bite the bullet for es110 which arrived this afternoon.

For me its a good decision. I like the sound especially when im playing the first measurements of Gone by JimC.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by kulankot
Hello,

This is my first post.
After reading a lot of reviews for digital pianos (im a beginner but already playing two different instruments), I finally bite the bullet for es110 which arrived this afternoon.

For me its a good decision. I like the sound especially when im playing the first measurements of Gone by JimC.


Congrats kulankot, I think you made a great choice for a beginning DP!
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 07:35 PM

Hi, I'm a beginner too, and my first post, I'm thinking to buy a new DP, I had a Roland MIDI controller but I sold it because I wanted a piano with its own sound, under $1000 probably the best options are between: Roland FP30, Yamaha P115 and Kawai ES110, I saw this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvnKpj2wxd4, apparently the Roland FP30 has that kind of sound that impresses more than the others two, the Yamaha seems to have very good quality, but there are some magic in the Kawai, is the entry level model in Kawai DPs, but still very competitive in this price range, the sound is very soft and sweet, I don't know about the key action because it's very difficult to see that brand in my city, shame it doesn't have the USB port like others, Does anyone know if you can use Bluetooth MIDI for Windows 10 as a MIDI controller? or What is the way to connect it to PC?, for example, if I like to use it as a VST controller or use it in Kontakt, thanks.
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by John William
...shame it doesn't have the USB port like others..."


A USB-MIDI converter can be purchased at a very low price.

(And the other way round the price could be 10 times as much. And the classic MIDI would be useful if you wanted to control other electronic instruments with it.)
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 09:47 PM

Yes, you're right... I like to buy the new Kawai ES110 in Amazon, it's a little more expensive, but I also have in mind the Yamaha P115 and Roland FP30, some recomendations?
Posted By: labjr

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by John William
Yes, you're right... I like to buy the new Kawai ES110 in Amazon, it's a little more expensive, but I also have in mind the Yamaha P115 and Roland FP30, some recomendations?


Yes do some reading and go play them for yourself.
Posted By: jjo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/02/17 10:23 PM

Just purchased my ES110 to replace my ES100. I use the keyboard exclusively for gigging (it sits in a bag ready to go) and I play only jazz, so that can tell you where I'm coming from.

Why buy the replacement? Primarily, the lighter weight. I've been fortunate to have no back problems, but every time I lug my gear it seems to be a back strain waiting to happen. So the lighter weight is huge (pun intended). I also really like the 1/4 in ports as using the headphone port has always been a compromise. I don't do Midi.

Why do I like these keyboards? For me, it's all about touch. I think all portable DPs sound great with headphones, and sound like crap, compared to a real piano, when coming out of amps at a gig, but that's life. But if I don't like the touch, I'm not happy. I like Yamahas and Kawais. To me, they feel the closest to a regular piano, whereas Nords and Rolands feel more like electronic keyboards. I grew up playing only acoustic (I hate that adjective) pianos, so I'm just trying to duplicate that feel.

My first gig will be next week, so that's when I'll see what it's really got!
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/03/17 12:12 AM

Congrats kulankot and jjo! wink
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/03/17 12:24 AM

Hi, I'm an adult beginner and this is my first post. I'm looking to buy a DP but as I've never played an acoustic piano before I don't know what to look for when it comes to action. After some research I narrowed down to the Yamaha P115, Roland FP30 and the Kawai ES110. I had a 'play' on the P115 and the FP30 and they were both very different. The P115 felt really light and easy to play but the FP30 felt really heavy to play. Nowhere had the ES110 but I did get to have a bash on an ES100. The action on the ES100 felt somewhere in the middle but I have no idea what is considered the most realistic.

What would be the best key action for a beginner. Light or heavy? I have read lots of reviews of the P115 and the FP30 but as the ES110 is new the reviews are only trickling out, very slowly.

I keep changing my mind on which one to buy. At the moment it is the ES110 based on the few reviews I have seen. And because it is the newest.

So much choice and so little knowledge. Any help/guidance will be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Kev
Posted By: Sir_Piano77

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/03/17 12:59 AM

Hello everyone!

This is my first post!

I literally just got the ES 110 today and it sounds great!

I have had one issue, though. The C3 on my keyboard has been sticky. If you press down softly it will catch but if you press hard it will not.

You can feel the resistance from the action when its about to catch, and then once it passes that threshold the key will stay depressed. Pressing it one more time clears it up.

It has a noticeably different sound in the action than all the other keys...as if there might be something preventing the mechanism from moving freely.

If the key that was sticking wasn't C3, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

Has anybody else experienced something like this? And does anybody have any suggestions for a quick fix that would forgo sending it in for repair?

Thanks!

- Sir_Piano
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/03/17 01:19 AM

Hello Kev, welcome to the forum.

I'd say it's difficult to go wrong with any of the three models you are considering.

I've played the FP-30 on a few occasions and found the action to be very playable and not overly heavy.

If you've already tried the ES100, it may be worth waiting a little while for the ES110 to arrive at your dealer's store for a play-test. Did they give you an estimate on when they expect the new model to be available?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/03/17 01:21 AM

Hello Sir_Piano77, welcome to the forum.

I'm glad to hear you're enjoying your new ES110.

The sticky key may well sort itself out over time. However, I would suggest calling your dealer and/or Kawai distributor in your country to report this matter, just in case.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: kulankot

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/03/17 10:47 AM

Im amazed that i also have that annoying noise on keys D and E. Dang, i guess the noise keys are real. After tinkering about the mechanical noise, i removed the music stand and its gone.

Kawai James, the loose music stand may also produce that annoying sound. Overall, im happy with it than with my guitars and saxophones.

Cheers!
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/03/17 08:00 PM

Hi everybody, please help me to choose the best option: Kawai ES110 or Yamaha P115, I only want the best touch and grand piano sound, I can't try those models because no store in my town have them
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/03/17 09:49 PM

Thanks for the advice James. It's good to know that all the pianos that I am looking at will be suitable for me. I'll probably go for the Roland FP30 or the Kawai ES110. There doesn't seem to be any dealers near me that stock Kawais so it will be tricky to try the ES110. I only managed to try the ones I did because I was on a trip to London. I was told by one dealer that the Roland FP30 is in limited supply in the UK at the moment. He told me that he has been only getting 2 units in each month and that I'll have to wait a couple of months to get one. He said other dealers are in the same situation. Amazon seems to have stock though.

I think I'll wait for the ES110 to become more widely available and wait for some more reviews before deciding.

Regards,
Kev
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/06/17 02:29 AM

Hello Kev W,

Originally Posted by Kev W
There doesn't seem to be any dealers near me that stock Kawais so it will be tricky to try the ES110.


May I ask where you are based? Have you checked the dealer locator on the Kawai UK website?

http://www.kawai.co.uk/dealers.htm

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/06/17 03:06 PM

I think definitely my best option is Kawai ES110, after read this:

"...when playing the acoustic piano sounds on the FP30, some of the notes exhibited an overly twangy metallic sound when playing harder with more force using more velocity when striking the keys. In a real piano, depending on the brand and model, some of the strings can also be a bit twangy or metallic sounding when striking the keys harder so this is not necessarily unusual and would be normal when the string is vibrating harder. But...this metallic, twangy sound is definitely somewhat overdone and may bother some ears out there so it just depends on the kind of piano sound you are looking for. There are three separate acoustic piano sounds on this piano but they are all fairly metallic sounding with regard to dynamic tonal changes when playing the keys with more force. There is a function on the piano that allows the brilliance or brightness of a sound to be reduced to make it more mellow, but this function still does not reduce the overall twangy nature of the piano sound when playing more fortissimo. When a person plays pop or contemporary music then the brighter, twangier sound may be good and even contribute to some authenticity. But for other types of music such as classical or ballads, it may not be as appreciated because a more rounded, mellower tone may be more appropriate. So if you are looking for a more "mellow" type of piano sound along with a full responsive tone, then the Kawai ES100... may be a better option so it just depends what is important to you."

http://azpianonews.blogspot.com.co/...-Portable-lowest-price-piano-review.html

I'm agree, I'd seen several videos comparing Roland FP30, Yamaha P115 vs Kawai ES110/100, and contrary to the other people opinion, I note that Roland FP30 has a distinctive "metallic" character, brighter sound or more presence than other two (probably is the best for the price for many people), for me not as good for classical music, it hasn't a Line Out and I guess SuperNatural is for some of its voices, not all... initially I was interested in the Yamaha P115, it has full connectivity, and good piano sounds, but I think that I like that "mellow" sound of the Kawai ES100 (I hope the ES110 has the same character), I don't know about the key action or touch, because I can't try it in my city, but many people say good things about that.

Yamaha P115 probably a good option, but I like the sound of the Kawai, that "mellow" character (for some people is "dull") is very suited for classical music, and for me is very important, well, Roland FP30 is very good too for classical, but for me that "metallic" or bright character is better for other kind of music, I think classical music sounds very good in the Kawai model, it hasn't USB to host connector, but has solution, the traditional MIDI IN/OUT ports, now ES110 has Line Out (interesting) and Bluetooth MIDI, better speakers, definitely my best option for to buy my next piano.
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/06/17 11:59 PM

Hi James, I have found a dealer in Cambridge with one in stock but it is about an hours drive away. I guess it's not too far so might give them a visit. Or I might just order one blind. I think the ES110 will be the one I get.

It would be nice to hear from more owners of the ES110.

Regards,
Kev
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/07/17 04:13 AM

Hello Kev,

Okay, that sounds good. An hour each way isn't too bad - you can perhaps make an afternoon of it? Buying blind is okay, however I would always recommend trying to visit a dealer and playing the instruments for yourself before making a decision.

Best of luck!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: aluk

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/07/17 04:44 AM

I found a shop just south of Bristol UK on Saturday that had the FP30, FP50, FP90, ES110 and the ES8 set up next to each other. They also had the Casio range.

I wanted to compare the FP30 with the ES110.

I am looking for a low cost, light, portable stage piano to use in rehearsals etc. I have a Roland HP603 as my "main" piano which has the PHA-50 action. I wanted in built speakers, but I'll mostly be using VSTs and external amplification.

I was all set to buy the ES110. On paper it was ideal. It is lighter, has line outs, and proper MIDI. However, I preferred the action of the FP30, which had more bounce to it, grippier keys, and the action felt closer to my HP603.

The ES8 action felt much better than both the ES110 and FP30, but then so it should as it is much more expensive.

I will probably get the FP30, but in truth, I'd be happy with either, and I may still change my mind because of the portability.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/07/17 10:00 AM

John William if you like the ES110 sound better, and this is the deal breaker for you, just go for it, may you enjoy it. Probably would be better to test it live and see how they compare with each other, but I assume you can't do this either at the moment. From what I can tell is that the more metalic sound of Fp30 is only for the first piano option and specially when you play Forte notes. Anyway I wouldn't consider AZPianonews the only information source... The second piano option has a lot mellower tone and would be more fit for classical music. Anyway, with Pianoteq you can just select other piano tone. But probably the most important would be to test the actions. It may be as aluk tested both side by side and said:"However, I preferred the action of the FP30, which had more bounce to it, grippier keys". Depends how you like the action to feel like. Anyway enjoy your ES110 and please let us know how you like it when it arrives.
Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/07/17 01:33 PM

My experience:

If the "twang" of the FP30 bothers you, try setting the "Touch" to "Heavy". And turn up the volume a bit, to compensate.

You won't change the feel of the keys, but you'll avoid the "twang" at moderate playing levels. It'll take more force (like "ff", instead of "f") to bring it out.

That Roland "SuperNatural" sound is something that some people like, and others don't. I think that how you _expect_ a piano to sound, determines whether it's good or bad to your ears.

Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/09/17 01:44 AM

Kawai America's ES110 product video:



Cheers,
James
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Posted By: jjo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/09/17 03:41 PM

Did my first gig with the ES110 last night. Thoughts:
1. The lighter weight is REALLY noticeable. It was much easier hauling the keyboard in from the parking lot. Even taking it out of the case is easier.
2. Being able to directly connect my quarter inch cable was a plus, too (I was using a converter box on the ES100).
3. The texture of the keys seem different, and I like the added texture.

All in all, the keyboard is really good for gigging, in my opinion.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/09/17 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by jjo
Did my first gig with the ES110 last night. Thoughts:
1. The lighter weight is REALLY noticeable. It was much easier hauling the keyboard in from the parking lot. Even taking it out of the case is easier.
2. Being able to directly connect my quarter inch cable was a plus, too (I was using a converter box on the ES100).
3. The texture of the keys seem different, and I like the added texture.

All in all, the keyboard is really good for gigging, in my opinion.



Great, glad for you. If you had Es100 and can compare, please can you share some thoughts about how is the new action responding compared to the older one? Felt some impromevement?
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/09/17 07:47 PM

Interesting jjo, can you share more info?, How about the sound? indeed in the ES100 is very good, the same in ES110? or better?. I'm also insterested in knowing how you feel the new key action of the new ES110 vs ES100.
Posted By: jjo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/09/17 09:53 PM

Unfortunately, I got rid of my ES100 before I got the ES110, so I never did a side by side comparison. Based on memory, the touch seems relatively the same except, as I mentioned, there seems to be a bit more texture on the surface of the keys. I liked the touch of the 100, so this is good, but if there is a change in touch, it's pretty subtle.

As for the sound,as I said in a post above, I think all DPs sound pretty poor when amplified (as opposed to headphones) when compared to a real piano. I can't tell any difference between the 100 and the 110, but again, that's going on memory. Keep in mind, too, by my gig was playing piano in a jazz big band, so subtleties of sound were not particularly important! Since I never gig solo, I care much more about touch than sound.

To me, the bottom line is that the 110 is at least as good as the ES100, but many pounds lighter, which makes me happy!
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/10/17 01:25 AM

jjo, thank you for sharing your early opinions of the ES110. Glad to hear that you appreciate the improvements.

As you note, the ES110 should sound the same as the ES100, although the ES110 features larger speakers and a different keyboard action, so I gather that the engineers may have tweaked some speaker EQ and touch curve parameters for optimal performance.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: pold

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/10/17 12:30 PM

I was hoping to see a ES100 price drop, but they are only £100 cheaper than the ES110?
Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/10/17 12:54 PM

Yep - though it needs saying just one month ago the 110 was going for 110€ more than it is today ^^
Posted By: Mako

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/10/17 04:30 PM

So I just got an ES110 about 3 days ago and I'm happy to give my thoughts about it and answer any questions people have about it.

I was in the market for a digital piano to get back into playing. I used to play when I was younger, and haven't played in about 10 years. I was primarily looking between the Roland FP-30 and the ES110. I managed to try both of them in local piano stores, and bought the ES110 from a local dealer.

So some of the reasons I got the Kawai:

-I am using the Simply Piano app by JoyTunes and while it uses your phone's/iPad's microphone to detect the notes you play, it's not perfect. Especially when you play more than 3 notes at a time (e.g. a 3 note-chord in the right had and a note or two of bass accompaniment) it can lose one or two of the notes (maybe 5% of the time). The app doesn't use bluetooth midi (they say because of latency issues), so I needed something that had physical midi jacks and the FP-30 doesn't have them.

-The key action on the ES110 is better (in my opinion). I found the FP-30 action a little sluggish on the rebound. I feel even without the escapement simulation that the FP-30 has, the ES110 felt much smoother, natural and responsive. The Roland was also a little heavy in the action, and wasn't necessarily my preference. Not to knock the FP-30 though; the action on it was very playable and I would have been happy with it too. The action was one of my top priorities and for this price, I think the Kawai's is better executed than the Roland's.

-The Roland did have the simulated ivory feel on the keys, which was definitely nice, that the Kawai doesn't have. However, compared to the ES100, they did change the white keys to a matte finish, so they 1) aren't glossy and don't reflect overhead light back at your eyes, and 2) are more grippy. I thought the ES110 keys were not that appreciably less grippy than the Roland. So that they aren't the simulated ivory feel was not a big drawback (or any drawback really) at this price range.

-I live in an apartment and the Kawai is a bit lighter, so when I have to break it down to slip it under a bed, it's a little lighter which is definitely nice.

-I don't like using headphones so the speakers onboard were important to me (I wear glasses and I hate how stereo headphones squeeze the arms of my glasses against my head). Even though the Roland speakers could put out a louder sound by decibel, I liked that the Kawai's speakers were ported both downward *and* out the back. I think it makes up for the lower wattage on the ES110 speakers. The sound is clear and punchy at mid volume.

-As far as the sounds go, the Kawai voices sound good to me, and so do the voices of the Roland. I think it's totally preference whether you like the brighter, clearer tone of the Shigeru Kawai they sampled for the ES110, or the broader, darker, slightly more metallic-edged sound of the Steinway they sampled for the Roland. I did really love the tone of the Roland, but I don't think one it head-over-heels better than the other, it's just preference. The jazz organ sounds great on the ES110, and the Wurlitzer simulation is very expressive (I really enjoy just aimlessly noodling with the Wurlitzer sound).

Let me know if anyone has any questions about it! Happy to oblige, especially if it helps people figure out what they want. I know I agonized over this decision for a few weeks scouring the internet for opinions and reviews.
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/10/17 07:32 PM

Congratulations Mako for your new ES110, I hope you're enjoying it, A few days ago I bought my ES110, I'm still waiting for it arrive to my city, I bought it in Amazon, In Colombia it's almost impossible to try them personally (ex: Roland FP30, Yamaha P115, Kawai ES110, etc) so I bought it based on reviews, opinions and listening demos in youtube, I remember watch some videos where people were playing classical music in the ES100 and I immediately got very impressed because of the sound, but since there was a new model (ES110) then I take a desicion to buy the new model ES110 because basically it's the upgraded model, and I suppose it's the same ES100's piano voices with better speakers, I hope not to be wrong, it's very difficult to make a good comparison in sound between ES100 and ES110 in youtube because each video the sound isn't recorded in the same way, then I finally took the risk of buying the new Kawai ES110, probably Roland FP30 and Yahama P115 are very good options too, but yeah, It's completely a personal preference.

There is something I would like to know, is it possible to use Bluetooth MIDI in Windows 10? Are there some Win 10 apps that support this technology?.
Posted By: Mako

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/10/17 08:24 PM

Thanks, John. I really am, and I think you'll definitely enjoy it. If you watch videos on youtube of people playing the ES110, I have no doubt that what you hear in a video that recorded the sound through the line outs is what the piano would sound like with headphones at home. If someone recorded it with a videocamera's microphone or their cellphone, then yeah it probably would sound different. I think it has a nice bright, clear tone that would suit classical music very well.

As far as the Bluetooth thing, I can't say I'm an expert. Maybe Kawai James could chime in and answer that. I'd assume it would fine. I can say that when I was in my local shop, one of the technicians that was talking to me pulled out his iPhone and paired it with the piano in like 30 seconds through GarageBand and it worked like a charm. So while I don't have a need for it (yet), it appeared to work pretty easily. If I recall correctly, the piano is discoverable by bluetooth as soon as you turn it on, so it's really easy to get it paired with your device.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/10/17 11:45 PM

I've been experimenting with the Bluetooth MIDI. One addendum I would make to the above comment is that the ES110 won't show up in your iOS Bluetooth settings until you are running an application that supports Bluetooh MIDI like Garage Band or midimittr (but the app that supports it will find it right away.) It was a little disconcerting until I realized this, I was looking for the ES110 in the Bluetooth settings thinking something was wrong and turning it on and off on the keyboard. Finally I just ran an app and it appeared. You don't need to do anything, the ES110 defaults to Bluetooth MIDI being on and there was literally no perceptible time for it to be found by the supporting app.

To specifically answer your questions - Windows 10 does support Bluetooth MIDI with a couple caveats.
- You must have the Windows 10 Anniversary Edition.
- Your computer must have a version of a Bluetooth controller (the hardware) that supports Bluetooth LE. It seems this is the norm for the last year or two, but prior to that it's iffy.
- Windows 10 acts only as a MIDI controller, not a peripheral

Macs have a much more complete Bluetooth MIDI implementation but many Mac models don't support Bluetooth LE (for example, my 2012 MacBook Pro doesn't support it.)

I'm hoping to get a Microsoft Surface Pro 4 soon and I'll be reporting back with my results. I'm especially interested how much latency there is when triggering Pianoteq, it's probably my primary concern about it.
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/11/17 01:34 PM

Thanks jjo and Mako for your thoughts on the ES110. All sounds very positive. I have ordered the ES110 and it will be arriving on Monday. I didn't getting a chance to try it out but being a total beginner I wouldn't know what to look for anyway. I guess I would have been happy with any of the ones on my list but personally prefer a lighter action.
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/12/17 03:22 PM

I'm also interested in the es100/es110
The only thing that worries me is the weightloss. (cheaper/lighter materials?)
How does the 'RH Compact' action compares to the AHA IV-F action of the ES-100? Or is it just personal preference?


I only have an Android tablet. (Samsung Tab S2)
I hope the app will soon be available for android too. smile
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/12/17 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Gray44
I'm also interested in the es100/es110
The only thing that worries me is the weightloss. (cheaper/lighter materials?)
How does the 'RH Compact' action compares to the AHA IV-F action of the ES-100? Or is it just personal preference?


So far I have seen a couple of people on the forum plus a link to review by Tim Praskins -- who all favor RH-C over AHAIV-F and no one favouring AHAIV-F over RH-C.

Some other comments tell to me that RH-III is clearly superior to RH-C.

Also, Kawai James mentioned RH-C is arguably closer to RH-I than to RH-II and RH-III so I would guess the key action of ES-110 is likely to be most close to the one CL-36 has -- as far as I have seen, there seems to be a consensus that RH-I is to be preferred over AHAIV-F.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 02:14 AM

Hello Mako,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the ES110 - congrats on your new piano! wink

Just out of curiosity, may I ask where you able to try the ES110? This new model was only announced a month or so ago, so I'm impressed that they dealer has the product in store already (and is also demoing Bluetooth MIDI too!).

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 02:29 AM

Hello John,

Originally Posted by John William
I remember watch some videos where people were playing classical music in the ES100 and I immediately got very impressed because of the sound, but since there was a new model (ES110) then I take a desicion to buy the new model ES110 because basically it's the upgraded model, and I suppose it's the same ES100's piano voices with better speakers...


Yes, you're absolutely right.

Originally Posted by John William
...is it possible to use Bluetooth MIDI in Windows 10? Are there some Win 10 apps that support this technology?.


As squidbot notes, Bluetooth MIDI functionality was added in Windows 10's Anniversary Update, however I'm afraid I do not know if this OS is fully supported by Kawai. I shall double-check with R&D and update you when I receive a concrete response.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 02:35 AM

Hello squidbot,

Originally Posted by squidbot
I've been experimenting with the Bluetooth MIDI. One addendum I would make to the above comment is that the ES110 won't show up in your iOS Bluetooth settings until you are running an application that supports Bluetooh MIDI like Garage Band or midimittr (but the app that supports it will find it right away.) It was a little disconcerting until I realized this, I was looking for the ES110 in the Bluetooth settings thinking something was wrong and turning it on and off on the keyboard. Finally I just ran an app and it appeared. You don't need to do anything, the ES110 defaults to Bluetooth MIDI being on and there was literally no perceptible time for it to be found by the supporting app.


Yes, you're absolutely right.

The following Bluetooth MIDI support page provides step-by-step instructions for connecting iOS and macOS devices:

http://www.kawai-global.com/support/bluetooth/

I am planning to add a Android (and possibly Windows 10 AE - see above) connectivity guide in the near future.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 03:00 AM

Hello Gray44,

Originally Posted by Gray44
How does the 'RH Compact' action compares to the AHA IV-F action of the ES-100? Or is it just personal preference?


'RH Compact' utilises a more modern action design than 'AHA IV-F', which is based on the mechanism of the popular 'Responsive Hammer' actions. One important change is that the hammer is moved from the front to the back of the key:

[Linked Image]

This improves touch response and allows greater expressive control, so the keyboard feels light when playing softly, yet heavy when playing with force. As a result of these improvements, the 'RH Compact' action's static and dynamic weighting is more realistic and much closer to that of a grand piano action.

[Linked Image]

As Mako notes above, the 'RH Compact' action also benefits from a higher quality matte surface on the black and white keys. This is not quite the same as the 'Ivory Touch' key surface on the larger Kawai DP actions, but still improves playing control, and has a much nicer touch feeling and appearance than the shiny key surfaces employed on the older 'AHA IV-F' action.

The 'RH Compact' action has some other improvements over 'AHA IV-F' that I hope to discuss in the future. However, for the time being, I believe the most important point is that the new 'RH Compact' action feels, behaves, and responds more like a grand piano action than the older 'AHA IV-F' action, while also having the benefits of weighing less - making it ideally suited to a portable instrument like the ES110.

Originally Posted by Gray44
I only have an Android tablet. (Samsung Tab S2)
I hope the app will soon be available for android too. smile


I believe we have tested some Samsung devices such as the Galaxy S7 and found that Bluetooth MIDI should function correctly. However, there is not such a strong selection of MIDI apps available on Android (compared to iOS), to truly take advantage of this feature unfortunately.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 05:55 AM

That's a great comparrison of the key actions James! It's great to see the improvements Kawai makes with RHC action. This means it is a great action, at least as specs concern. The length of the hammer from the pivot to the metal end is longer and the position is a lot better IMO then the PHA4 from Roland. I confess I am impressed and that I'm looking forward on testing the ES110's action. If it had 3 sensors per key + Escapement(Let off), it would have been amazing for an entry level action.
Posted By: Mako

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 01:21 PM

Thanks, James. I've been playing it for a few days now, and it still is a joy to play for the money spent.

To your question, I checked it out at a piano dealer in Souderton, PA called Grafton Piano and Organ Company. They had gone to the recent NAMM show and put in an order for two of the ES110s ("one for show and one to go" as they put it). Their order came in last Monday, and I went up last Tuesday to try it and then bought their unboxed one last Wednesday.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello squidbot,
The following Bluetooth MIDI support page provides step-by-step instructions for connecting iOS and macOS devices:

http://www.kawai-global.com/support/bluetooth/


Thanks for the link James, it's very helpful and I wish I had found that before I started playing with BT MIDI smile I notice mention on the page that a Mac requires Bluetooth LE to work but not how to tell if you have it or not. I found this very helpful: http://superuser.com/questions/702670/how-can-i-tell-if-my-mac-has-bluetooth-4-0-low-energy

Note sure if you want to include that kind of info on the page or not, but wanted to put it out there for you in case you do.
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 10:28 PM

Hi all

I received my ES110 today and have to say I am a bit disappointed. Overall the piano has a good feature set, sounds good and feels good to 'play' but it is the build quality that I am disappointed in. The main issue I have is one of the keys rattles when it is released. All the other keys have a nice solid sound when they are released but the E7 key has an annoying rattle.

Another issue is the spacing between the keys. The spacing is not uniform with some spaces noticeably bigger than others. I know it doesn't affect the way that the piano will play but It isn't doing my OCD any good 🙂. ES110 owners please don't look for it as you will never unsee it.

I've also just noticed another issue. The A0 key isn't working correctly. When I hold it down the sound isn't sustaining (not sure what the correct terminology is). It stops as if I have tapped it. Sometimes it is ok but most of the time it isn't. I've also had it where it has continued sounding when I have released the key. I am not using the damper pedal.

These issues could be down to damage in transit but I'm worried that as this is a brand new key action there are still some problems that need ironing out. Other owners have also reported issues with the keys. There are usually problems with any new hardware. Early adopters usually end up being 'testers' for new products.

I will send it back for a refund but I'm not sure that if I get another one it won't have the same issues.
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 10:35 PM

Here's a quick video I have made of the rattling key

https://youtu.be/0kKtmGXIYG0
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 11:00 PM

Wow, It's very frustrating, I hope not have the same problem, because I live outside US!, very rare the spacing between the keys, Does anyone else have the same problem? frown.
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kev W
Here's a quick video I have made of the rattling key

https://youtu.be/0kKtmGXIYG0

shocked
Wow, I just bought mine earlier today but if it's the same as yours it will go back asap.

Is there no quality check before leaving the factory? frown
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/13/17 11:30 PM

Probably the key separation is not perfect in this new model, quality problems like other many products, I just watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdxyhiIUEcI and I notice that the keys are not perfectly separated, but in a Kawai piano? wow, very disappointing, frown but the real problem is the noisy key, must have some defect or damage inside the mechanism.
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 12:08 AM

The spacing in the above video looks a lot better than mine. The main issues for me are the broken A0 key and the 'rattling' E7 key. The E7 rattle I could probably live with but not the broken A0.

If it was transit damage then it could well happen again. Then again, it shouldn't be made that fragile to begin with.

I'm now back at square one as I don't know whether to give the ES110 another chance or go for the Roland FP30.

Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 12:27 AM

Hello Kev W,

I'm sorry to read that your ES110 has these issues. I'm not sure what the cause of the problems could be, but it's possible that they are all related. I would urge you to contact your Kawai dealer and/or Kawai UK (I'll send you a PM with a direct email contact shortly) as soon as possible to report these issues and request a replacement instrument.

While it's true that the 'RH Compact' is a new keyboard action, the keyboard action development team tested a number of full 88-key prototypes, making tweaks and improvements to each iteration before finalising the design.

I'm confident that your replacement ES110 will not exhibit these issues.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Mako

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 04:02 AM

Yeah, I just rechecked mine and my B0 has that same rattling sound like on the videos others have posted. I also have some key spacing/bunching issues due to misalignment if some of the keys. This is disappointing, considering this is my first digital piano and my first Kawai product. Hopefully I can bring it back and these things can be fixed or I can get a replacement. As others have said, I guess the quality control is lacking on the first batch of these boards. Hopefully that is not the case going forward, as I do like it overall.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 08:04 AM

So it's not just a one single issue? Is this really the design of the ES110 keys? At least 3 people noticed these issues until now. Dissapointing to know this, especially that I was more incline to go so far away from home and try one, and consider it a second needed slab. In the Fp30 I didn't see people to report these issues. Had the ES100 the same problems? If not, considering the price is so low now, I may get the ES100 for a second needed slab.
Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 09:24 AM

Someone who responded to one of my posts concerning the pha 50 action mentioned he had some alignment issues on his Yamaha which he solved by reshaping the keys internal structure - injection moulded plastic is made with care and measured to be within specifications but small errors in thickness or dimension which alone are fine can add up to larger discrepancies..
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 12:00 PM

I phoned Kawai support this morning and they were very helpful. Thanks James for the contact details. I have arranged for a replacement ES110 with the dealer. The dealer sent out a courier to pick up the piano this morning (all very efficient I must say) and will send a replacement once they have received this one back. I'm hoping that I just got unlucky with this one and that the replacement will be in full working order.
Posted By: stevedoz

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 12:54 PM

Since watching your video, I have gone back to listen to all the keys on my ES8 and interestingly, the top D (next to the top E on yours) sounds different to every other key I have, when it is released.
Its not the same as your issue, in the sense that it doesn't rattle, but it produces a single click on release rather than like all the others which have a very fast almost double click, as though the weighting is not present in this key.
Its not enough for me to worry about given a combination of my (not very high) ability and where the key is.
There is no difference to the sound made either.
I'm guessing it must be hard for the engineers to produce a keyboard which is progressive hammer action trying to simulate the action of an acoustic.
I hope you get a replacement soon without the issue. I'm sure its still a great instrument.
Posted By: pold

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 04:49 PM

I wish there was company selling digital pianos in kits, parts to assemble. You watch the videos step by step guide, you assemble everything, you replace broken parts whenever you want etc. The alignement is not perfect? No problem, is your fault in assembling the kit. I am sure there are lots of people (including me) who would buy such kits, because they love DIY. And the potential market for these kits would be huge.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by pold
I wish there was company selling digital pianos in kits, parts to assemble. You watch the videos step by step guide, you assemble everything, you replace broken parts whenever you want etc. The alignement is not perfect? No problem, is your fault in assembling the kit. I am sure there are lots of people (including me) who would buy such kits, because they love DIY. And the potential market for these kits would be huge.


Well, a lot of us already do this to some degree with the assembled DPs we buy smile Every single DP I've owned has been taken apart at some point (either for curiosity, education to diagnose/fix minor issues, etc.). And replacement parts tend to be readily available, so I guess nothing is stopping you from doing exactly this!
Posted By: pold

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by pold
I wish there was company selling digital pianos in kits, parts to assemble. You watch the videos step by step guide, you assemble everything, you replace broken parts whenever you want etc. The alignement is not perfect? No problem, is your fault in assembling the kit. I am sure there are lots of people (including me) who would buy such kits, because they love DIY. And the potential market for these kits would be huge.


Well, a lot of us already do this to some degree with the assembled DPs we buy smile Every single DP I've owned has been taken apart at some point (either for curiosity, education to diagnose/fix minor issues, etc.). And replacement parts tend to be readily available, so I guess nothing is stopping you from doing exactly this!



really? I can't believe it? Are you serious? Where can I buy the single parts? And there are videos, step by step guide on how to do that?
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by pold
really? I can't believe it? Are you serious? Where can I buy the single parts? And there are videos, step by step guide on how to do that?


Sorry, there are no Ikea-like kits that I'm aware of. It sounded like you were handy and able to tinker with electronics/mechanical parts so I was throwing out an option. It takes some elbow grease but you can source replacement keys, hammer actions, PCBs, chassis pieces etc. from manufacturers or service centers. So I don't know if you can completely build a DP from scratch (and how much more than would cost than just buying the thing outright) but if you want to take things apart, perform your own modifications and repairs, etc., there are absolutely avenues available for the adventurous to do just that.
Posted By: pold

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by pold
really? I can't believe it? Are you serious? Where can I buy the single parts? And there are videos, step by step guide on how to do that?


Sorry, there are no Ikea-like kits that I'm aware of. It sounded like you were handy and able to tinker with electronics/mechanical parts so I was throwing out an option. It takes some elbow grease but you can source replacement keys, hammer actions, PCBs, chassis pieces etc. from manufacturers or service centers. So I don't know if you can completely build a DP from scratch (and how much more than would cost than just buying the thing outright) but if you want to take things apart, perform your own modifications and repairs, etc., there are absolutely avenues available for the adventurous to do just that.


I have never made any piano. But I made already 3 violins, 1 guitar, just by following books and web advise. I made my own computer. For these things you find plenty of step by step guides, but for a digital piano, I never seen anything like that. Of course if you like DIY, you take full responsibility, and you are willing to learn. When I made my first 2 violns, they didn't come up perfect, but my third violin, wow, every detail is just perfect, just the way I planned it, a perfect Stradivari copy smile
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by pold
I have never made any piano. But I made already 3 violins, 1 guitar, just by following books and web advise. I made my own computer. For these things you find plenty of step by step guides, but for a digital piano, I never seen anything like that. Of course if you like DIY, you take full responsibility, and you are willing to learn. When I made my first 2 violns, they didn't come up perfect, but my third violin, wow, every detail is just perfect, just the way I planned it, a perfect Stradivari copy smile


I had no idea there were make-your-own-violin kits. That's pretty cool indeed!

I tried 3D printing a violin before, that project didn't turn out very well frown And I used to build custom water-cooled gaming PCs; from an assembly perspective most DPs are pretty straightforward (about the only thing you can mess up is order of operations).

In any case, back to the ES110, hopefully OP gets a pristine replacement unit. This is pretty much the reason I try not to buy anything in the first year of release, no matter how much I trust the manufacturer.
Posted By: pold

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/14/17 05:38 PM

I made the violins from scratch, no kits at all. I order the best spruce and maple wood from Ciresa, in Val Di Fiemme (alps). Assembling the computer in comparison was a joke smile
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/15/17 04:41 AM

pold, I believe the VAX controller campaign on Kickstarter offered supporters the chance to buy the product in a kit form for self-assembly:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1200817609/vax-midi-keyboard-controller

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: pold

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/15/17 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
pold, I believe the VAX controller campaign on Kickstarter offered supporters the chance to buy the product in a kit form for self-assembly:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1200817609/vax-midi-keyboard-controller

Cheers,
James
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Great, it's going to be an open source project, I am sure there will be lot of interest about this. But in the meantime, what can DIYers do? Let's say that I want to buy the parts to build a VPC1, where do I find them?
Posted By: Marcos Daniel

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/15/17 02:18 PM

I don't believe Kawai would sell you the parts. And if it was the case, I guess that final price would be quite high...
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/15/17 03:10 PM

DIY pianos are nice but let's keep that for a new topic and continue about the new ES110 smile

Mine will probably arrive tomorrow, I will keep everybody updated about any issues.
Posted By: smartydarren

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/16/17 06:33 AM

Hi Folks, Any idea how long will it take to launch this Model in India, Sadly there is only 1 distributor in India who are selling the kawai Brand.

Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/16/17 07:12 AM

Hello smartydarren,

Kawai instruments are distributed throughout India by 'Theme Music':

THEME MUSIC CO. PVT. LTD.
S-33, Greater Kailash-I, New Delhi 110048, India
Tel: +91-11-29234415
URL: http://thememusic.in

My recommendation would be to contact the distributor directly to enquire about ES110 availability.

Alternatively, you may also wish to contact Kawai Japan directly via the enquiry form accessible from the URL below:

http://www.kawai-global.com/support/

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: takkiz

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/16/17 02:19 PM

Hello, I am a new piano player with only 2 months piano lessons.
I ordered mine 15 days before and yesterday it came.
I was very disappointed because it came with a broken key and a sound inside when I move it, like a part is broken and slide from left to right! frown
Very disappointed. Not with Kawai but with the postal office and delivery.
I believe that I will not have any problem returning and geting a new one, except the time suffering!! frown

I tested and I'm very happy with the sound and the action. I am not very experienced with other piano actions, but I liked the sound of ES110 compared with the FP30 (2nd choice).

I noticed one thing that have been pointed to a previous post, and is the same with mine, is that the keys are not perfectly separated.

Is this something that it's a problem in practise, or just a aesthetic thing?

When I will find time, I will post pictures and more info about my experience.
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/16/17 08:00 PM

Mine was delivered too today, but I haven't seen it yet cause I'm still at work.
I hope I won't get a heart attack when I open the box shocked
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/16/17 11:15 PM

Ok, I'm still alive! laugh
Came home, saw the big box... (pfew! It didn't look damaged on the outside!)
very gently opened the box.
Put it on the table, removed the white foam/plastic and inspected everything.

I must say, my piano does not have "excessive" weird gaps, (not in a way that triggers my ocd like earlier videos), nor keys that make funny noises and, at first try, all keys seem to work perfect.

Then I connected my headphone and noticed a very slight buzz, I'm not sure that's 100% normal (it didn't go louder or quieter when I turned the volume up and dow) but I can live with that.
My headphone is a 70ohm closed HD25 (probably the opposite of a traditional piano-headphone so I'm sure I won't hear any of that on a open HD558 for example.)

Tomorrow I will inspect further in "daylight" and continue my experiences with you smile

I also tried to connect with bluetooth on my Android. Confirmed working on a Samsung Tab S2. (But did not find any app yet that uses bluetooth midi)
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/16/17 11:37 PM

Congratulations on your new ES110 Gray44. Hope you have got yourself a good one. It sounds promising so far. Keep us posted with your findings once you have had a good inspection and play on it.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/17/17 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Gray44
Then I connected my headphone and noticed a very slight buzz, I'm not sure that's 100% normal (it didn't go louder or quieter when I turned the volume up and dow)


I have no buzz at all on my ES110.

The most common cause would be a ground loop. You can test this inexpensively with a "cheater plug" that allows a 3 prong plug to drop the ground plug like this: http://www.amzn.com/B01M0D7DVZ but I wouldn't use that as a permanent solution, just to see if you're getting a ground loop. If you are, you want to isolate the plug with something like https://www.amzn.com/B0002E4YI8

If the cheater plug doesn't work and you still get hum, then it could be a problem with a transformer in the keyboard and you'd want to talk to Kawai.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/17/17 12:35 AM

Hello takkiz, welcome to the forum.

Originally Posted by takkiz
I was very disappointed because it came with a broken key and a sound inside when I move it, like a part is broken and slide from left to right! frown
Very disappointed. Not with Kawai but with the postal office and delivery.
I believe that I will not have any problem returning and geting a new one, except the time suffering!! frown


Sorry to hear that your ES110 may have been damaged in shipping.
May I ask where you are based? Did the instrument have to travel a long distance? I hope your replacement arrives in good condition.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/17/17 12:41 AM

Hello Gray44,

Thank you for the update - I'm glad to read that your ES110 arrived in one piece. wink

Originally Posted by Gray44
I also tried to connect with bluetooth on my Android. Confirmed working on a Samsung Tab S2. (But did not find any app yet that uses bluetooth midi)


Thank you for confirming this point. I was confident that Bluetooth connectivity would work, however as you note, the selection of MIDI apps available on Android is rather limited.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/17/17 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by squidbot
The most common cause would be a ground loop. You can test this inexpensively with a "cheater plug" that allows a 3 prong plug to drop the ground plug like this: http://www.amzn.com/B01M0D7DVZ but I wouldn't use that as a permanent solution, just to see if you're getting a ground loop. If you are, you want to isolate the plug with something like https://www.amzn.com/B0002E4YI8


I don't have any experience with this kind of adaptor, but they may be worth trying, depending on the kind of buzz/hum, and its audibility.

Originally Posted by squidbot
If the cheater plug doesn't work and you still get hum, then it could be a problem with a transformer in the keyboard and you'd want to talk to Kawai.


I don't believe there is a transformer inside the ES110, as the instrument is powered using a universal AC adaptor.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: takkiz

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/17/17 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James

Sorry to hear that your ES110 may have been damaged in shipping.
May I ask where you are based? Did the instrument have to travel a long distance? I hope your replacement arrives in good condition.
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Hello James, thanks for welcoming!

The instrument travel from Germany to Greece.

Not so long distance and the outside box was not damaged, except 2 little marks.

I will inform with news about the replacement and finally the new one!

Kind regards
Takkiz
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/17/17 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
I don't believe there is a transformer inside the ES110, as the instrument is powered using a universal AC adaptor.


Too late to edit my post, scratch that to read "component inside", I would suspect a coil of some sort but could be many things smile I'm not a tech!
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/19/17 07:01 PM

Thx for all replies smile
The adaptor is a small modern switching power adaptor, honestly I hear about the same buzz when I plug my headphone in a Onkyo receiver.
However when I plug it in to my smartphone I don't hear any noise or buzz. So it's probably indeed powersupply related, it's very quiet but not unhearable.

I ordered a HD558 and will check if it's the same with that headpone. wink

I didn't play much yet but I can say I'm really happy with my purchase, all keys work as intended and feel good. smile
Pity there's no android app yet for the Bluetooth LE midi but I guess that's not Kawai's fault.
Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/19/17 07:07 PM

Switching power means inside there is a class D amplifier - susceptible to all sorts of interference and dirt on the line so to speak. Ours does a fair impression if a nest of bumblebees when I switch on a couple of CFL built in ceiling lights near the Roland..


Posted By: AtticCat

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/17 10:58 AM

I have to say the inconsistent spacing between keys on ES110 puts me off so much.. and it affects all the octaves on the keyboard, not just one or two. I saw the issue when I tried it out in a shop and I thought it was just an odd one out. I purchased it based on the good review of es100 - and mine has got the same weird spacing. It's making the keyboard look soooo cheap, definitely not something I'd put a Kawai logo on. Now reading this topic clearly this is a common issue that affects more than a few es110.. Certainly it's just a cosmetic thing and doesnt affect the keyboard's functionality..but when was a piano ever purchased purely for the functionality anyway. It's an elegant piece of furniture..until you come a tiny bit closer and the hideous spacing is so apparent it's the first thing that you notice.. It's my first proper keyboard so I still like it very much, it's a sentimental thing, but it could've made me a little more proud..
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/17 12:56 PM

I uploaded a video of the keyspacing of my Es110
https://vid.me/wRLB
On my keyboard it looks "normal" to me, at least not excessive like on the other video.
If it's worse than on my video, maybe you could check for a replacment?
Posted By: PianoManKris

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/17 05:13 PM

Hi guys,

I am total beginner (adult) with passion for pianos since I was a kid and this is my first post here.
I picked up my ES110 a week ago and I'd like to kindly ask you if you could answer on few questions.
Apologies if some questions are off-topic.

1. As concluded on forum here about poor BT support for Android platform it looks we won't be able to leverage BT feature at least not for now so I decided to look for MIDI-to-USB adapter/cable for PC (Windows 10).
Price ranges from only few $ to much more as this one here in BestBuy:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...face-um-one-mk2-um-one-mk2/10265566.aspx

My question is, does anyone has experience with this and could give some recommendations?
Is there any difference in quality? I am wondering about latency since I noticed this adapter had some kind of sound processor.

2. I would appreciate if someone can recommend MIDI software for Windows PC to use primary for learning?

3. Since I took bundle I have 3 pedals (F-350). However I can not hear any difference when I press left two. Third one (sustain) works OK. Is is possible that soft pedals are so subtle that I don't hear any difference (maybe my beginner ear is unable to pick this up?:) ) or my Kawai "thinks" I have only one (default) damper pedal and I need to set it up?
How is your experience with F-350?

Thanks a lot,
Kris
Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/17 05:31 PM

3. Left pedal, una corda, the effect is when playing a grand piano it should play back samples of just the centre string being hit - it is a softer sound with less vibrance. The middle pedal can be assigned to page turning via Bluetooth, but the default is sostenuto.
http://www.dawsons.co.uk/blog/what-do-the-pedals-on-a-piano-do
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/17 07:32 PM

Very good info about 3-pedals, thanks Goss, and, about space between keys, I think it's normal because it's an entry level DP, but when it's exessive, well, it's a little disappointing, especially that it's about Kawai, which specializes in the manufacture of pianos, my ES110 will be arriving very soon, I'd like to share with all of you some photos and thoughts about this model.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/17 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by KrisLegato
I decided to look for MIDI-to-USB adapter/cable for PC (Windows 10).
Price ranges from only few $ to much more as this one here in BestBuy:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...face-um-one-mk2-um-one-mk2/10265566.aspx

My question is, does anyone has experience with this and could give some recommendations?
Is there any difference in quality?

The $15 and below cheap ones are garbage: missing the required optical isolation putting both your computer and instrument at risk, adding latency, losing notes, 3 byte messages only etc. They are violating the MIDI standard in various ways and not worth the trouble.

The well made interfaces starting at $30 like the Roland you linked are all equally fine.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 01:37 AM

Hello Kris, welcome to the forum and congrats on the purchase of your ES110.

To answer your questions:

1. While the cheaper USB-to-MIDI adaptors may work fine, we occasionally hear reports of dropped/stuck notes from user of unbranded accessories. The more expensive adaptors (such as the Roland linked) should not suffer such issues.

3. The left and centre pedals are automatically configured to soft and sostenuto functions. The soft pedal can be a rather subtle effect, depending on the playing style, while the sostenuto pedal will sustain only the notes held when the pedal is pressed, leaving subsequent notes unaffected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_pedals

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: PianoManKris

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 02:43 AM

Thank you all on quick response!
Great info, this helps me a lot!

Thanks James, I am very happy with my piano :-)


Regards,
Kris
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by John William
Very good info about 3-pedals, thanks Goss, and, about space between keys, I think it's normal because it's an entry level DP, but when it's exessive, well, it's a little disappointing, especially that it's about Kawai, which specializes in the manufacture of pianos, my ES110 will be arriving very soon, I'd like to share with all of you some photos and thoughts about this model.


Why should it be normal? You are still paying $700 for a keyboard, and this is not the cheapest in it's class. Kawai should have improved build quality with ES110, but it proves out that they didn't. For Roland Fp30 that is cheaper they didn't cut on built quality, and you don't get those spaces or clicking keys. I have recently tested some Casio, Privia PX160 in the same price range, and the keybed is very good one, no bad spacing, and it's a lot cheaper, probably the cheapest in it's class. But they didn't cut on quality ... Why would Kawai cut it just because is cheaper? Maybe James could tell us about it...
Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 08:13 AM

Got to admit - reading about keys all misaligned does make me cringe.. A few months ago a local supermarket had a 99€ Casio for sale - you could take a micrometer to its keys and come up with less than negligible differences across the board..

The folded mechanisms have several parts that make up the action, and a 99% accurate key going into a 99% accurate hammer so to speak does not give a 99% properly aligned mechanism but 98%..

The exec who said this was good enough is wrong

Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Goss
Switching power means inside there is a class D amplifier - susceptible to all sorts of interference and dirt on the line so to speak. Ours does a fair impression if a nest of bumblebees when I switch on a couple of CFL built in ceiling lights near the Roland..


Not necessarily, I've put some high-end class-d amplifiers together (Hypex) with a switching power supply and they sound absolutely great. smile
When designing a power supply (linear or switching) a company needs to keep in mind that they're using audio-equipment and not a toaster eek

My HD558 just arrived today and I can't hear any buzz anymore, not surprising as they're complete opposite headphones. (very open VS very closed)
Posted By: lophiomys

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 03:11 PM

Quote
When designing a power supply (linear or switching) a company needs to keep in mind that they're using audio-equipment and not a toaster eek

Full ACK!

That is a know problem in the industry and, as you say, the interference is due to cheap build quality.

I have a Class-D HiFi amplifyer by Onkyo and itself and its matching radio FM tuner component have special shielding inside. No problem whatsoever.

My MP7 / Syrincs M3 combination on the other side is easily disturbed by cross talk caused by the mobile phone...
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 03:49 PM

[Linked Image]

It's still the same power supply as with the ES-100 and VPC-1
Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 04:14 PM

Having seen my Roland opened up for service, I saw metal shielding only on the bottom of the cabinet - the rest was bare.. It was also bare of any damping material, which is pretty essential for proper functioning of loudspeaker enclosures..
The PSU may be fine - the actual amplification components are pretty much naked to the world ^^
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 04:17 PM

DP makers might be prioritizing cabinet vibrations and full scale volume over clean sound in these cases.
Posted By: Goss

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/17 06:02 PM

that and cutting costs and labour wink
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/22/17 06:59 PM

I got my replacement ES110 today and have just had a quick test of it and all the keys seem to be ok. Key spacing is still not perfect but a lot better than the last one but it isn't something that bothers me.

Will keep you posted once I have had a chance to give it a longer try.
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/23/17 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kev W
I got my replacement ES110 today and have just had a quick test of it and all the keys seem to be ok. Key spacing is still not perfect but a lot better than the last one but it isn't something that bothers me.

Will keep you posted once I have had a chance to give it a longer try.


Noticed any issues yet on your new one?
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/24/17 07:22 PM

Everything seems fine so far. The key action feels nice. I tested the Bluetooth with GarageBand on my iPad and it connected successfully.

The sound quality over the built in speakers is ok. The lower notes can overwhelm the mid to higher notes at times. Sound through headphones is a lot better.

Overall I am very happy with it.
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/25/17 12:57 AM

I'm happy too.
At first I had the piano on my desk (which had a thick cloth on) and the speakersound wasn't good, then my pianostand arrived and wow that was a BIG improvement. smile
I later found there is an option in the settings to tell the piano it's on a stand or on a table, so it can adapt the sound. (But I guess it will always be better on a stand)

The internal sounds of the piano are good but not as good as the Ivory VST I'm using. (but that may be personal)
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/25/17 05:43 PM

Hi everyone!, my new Kawai ES110 finally arrive to my home in Colombia, I'm very happy, very expensive import taxes but anyway I'm very satisfied with my new Kawai DP, I'd like to share with you a little review and photos (sorry for my english):

- Appearance: definitely the space between keys is not perfect, but, it's not so bad to think about return back to the shop, oh no, it's something I can live with, but I expected from Kawai a slightly better product in this respect, I think everything else is fine, in general it looks so good, minimalist, and the matte keys add more grip but not the same feel of real Ivory of acoustic pianos, but it's good, they are not reflective.

- Sound: Wow!, the sound of this DP it's really impressive, and all the voices and instruments have the same high quality, probably some (very few) instruments have a somewhat weak sound, seem the need of more volume, but there are two solutions, connect a headphone or connect to a pair of amplified speakers, in general, very good quality and the distinctive sound of Kawai Pianos.

- Keys: very fast response, they are a little lighter than other models or brands, but for me it's very good for practice, something in the middle, the matte keys are fine, it's a good improvement from ES100, thanks God my Kawai don't have any broken/rattle key, like someone reported some days ago here, and all the keys have the same touch response.

- Connectivity: it has the basic connectors, MIDI in/out, 2 headphone jacks, damper pedal, Line out mono/stereo and DC, I wish it had a USB port, but I can use a good quality audio interface and use the standard MIDI connection, no problema.

I have not been able to test the connectivity bluetooth nor the sound from headphones, since I am working at this moment, perhaps later I tell you more about it.

Some cons:

- The irregular space between keys, in my case does not notice too much, but it's present, it goes against the aesthetics of the piano in general (not a big problem).
- Some instruments have less volume than other (you can use external sound system or headphones).
- Lack of USB connector (you can use standard MIDI instead).

In conclusion, I'm very happy and satisfied, the quality of the sound, voices, and key reponse is really good, it's very pleasant to play on it, I can say that I made a good blind choice XD, taking into account that I could not try one of these in person, no rattle/broken keys, fortunately without any kind of damage, now I have a beautiful instrument to practice in my free time, please if you have any questions tell me.

Photos of my Kawai ES110
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/25/17 10:14 PM

Congratulations on the delivery of your ES110 John. Hope you are enjoying it.

I have a technical question regarding active noise cancelling (ANC) headphones. I've got a pair of Lindy BNX-60 headphones which although cheap are fine for my needs. They work fine with all my devices (e.g. computers, phone, iPad) in both normal mode and ANC mode. When I use them on the ES110 they work fine in normal mode but when I turn them on to ANC mode they emit a loud hum. I don't know the technical term for the hum, is it amplifier hum? It's a bit like the hum that you get when you are plugging in an electric guitar to the amplifier. The funny thing is, the hum disappears if I touch the headphone connector. Is this some kind of ground loop issue? I've tried another pair of normal headphones and they are fine. Is it an issue with the piano or the headphones?


Posted By: sullivang

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/26/17 12:06 AM

What type of connector does the headphones have? Is it one of those new connectors with four contacts, designed for mobile phones? I've got some headphones like that, and I have to position it very precisely in the receptacle in order for it to work properly. (I haven't bothered finding the right adaptor yet)

Greg.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/26/17 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by John William
The irregular space between keys, in my case does not notice too much, but it's present, it goes against the aesthetics of the piano in general (not a big problem).

Thanks for your review. On your photos your piano looks fine to me, not any worse from my ES100, where the keys have a little left/right (<1 mm) wiggle room. Does your ES100 look any better?

Due to wear on the felts, the keybed might become slightly uneven later on (depending on use of course). This effect is purely visual and doesn't affect functionality in any way. How much use did you put into your ES100? Does it show this effect too and does it bother you?
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/26/17 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by sullivang
What type of connector does the headphones have? Is it one of those new connectors with four contacts, designed for mobile phones? I've got some headphones like that, and I have to position it very precisely in the receptacle in order for it to work properly. (I haven't bothered finding the right adaptor yet)

The ES110 comes with two standard 1/4in (6.35mm) stereo headphone jacks.
Posted By: keyboardologist

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/26/17 03:15 AM

Hello, I'm into thinking of replacing my ES100 for the newer ES110, mostly for the weight reduction. As far as I'm reading for now anyone thinks the action is equal or better on the ES110, does anyone has the opposite opinion, because action is my number one concern and that's why I ended up with Kawai...
Posted By: Kev W

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/26/17 09:05 AM

The ANC headphones have a standard 3.5mm jack and I have tried a couple of standard 1/4 inch adapters. My normal headphones also have a standard 3.5mm jack.
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/26/17 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by keyboardologist
Hello, I'm into thinking of replacing my ES100 for the newer ES110, mostly for the weight reduction. As far as I'm reading for now anyone thinks the action is equal or better on the ES110, does anyone has the opposite opinion, because action is my number one concern and that's why I ended up with Kawai...


I don't have any complaints about the action of the new ES110 but I didn't have the es100 before so can't compare.
As the mechanism is "different" I guess the action must be different too.
Best is to go to a shop and try for yourself. smile
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/27/17 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by JoeT
Thanks for your review. On your photos your piano looks fine to me, not any worse from my ES100, where the keys have a little left/right (<1 mm) wiggle room. Does your ES100 look any better?

Due to wear on the felts, the keybed might become slightly uneven later on (depending on use of course). This effect is purely visual and doesn't affect functionality in any way. How much use did you put into your ES100? Does it show this effect too and does it bother you?


You're talking about ES100 but mine is the brand new ES110, I've used it only for two days, it seems that most of them are having the same irregular space between keys, but in my case it doesn't bother me much because it doesn't look so critical, does not affect functionality.
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/27/17 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Kev W
Congratulations on the delivery of your ES110 John. Hope you are enjoying it.


Thank you Kev W, of course I'm very happy with it, I love its piano sound and the key action/response, no regrets, a great instrument!, I can't compare it with similar models from Roland or Yamaha, I only know I'm at ease.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/28/17 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by keyboardologist
I'm into thinking of replacing my ES100 for the newer ES110, mostly for the weight reduction. As far as I'm reading for now anyone thinks the action is equal or better on the ES110, does anyone has the opposite opinion, because action is my number one concern and that's why I ended up with Kawai...


I've yet to hear from anyone who has tried the ES110, but preferred the ES100 action.

It may be worthwhile referencing this post from jjo, who also replaced an ES100 with an ES110 for the additional features and lower weight.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: smartydarren

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/28/17 11:41 AM

Is it worth buying the ES100 today which has the AHA IV action or should I wait for the ES110 to launch in my country.....The question I have will kawai still manufacture the AHA IV Action or have they completely switched to RHC and stopped the manufacturing of AHA IV. Because ES110 in not yet available in my country yet.
Posted By: MarieJ

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/01/17 10:21 AM

I have just swapped my Yamaha P95 DP for a Kawai ES110. Why?

The P95 sat unused for a couple of years after I bought my new-to-me grand. But when our quiet neighbourhood became a hive of building activity, recording the acoustic turned into a frustrating nightmare. The DP with Pianoteq provided a solution, but only up to a point: now accustomed to the action on my grand, I found the P95’s touch quite distracting.

Piano World’s ‘comparison of DPs under $1000’ thread provided an explanation. For example, P115 key fulcrum: 40% of a real piano. ES100: 72.5% of a real piano. The key dip was also significantly different between the two models. Time to try the new Kawai at the local music store.

Apart from touch, most of the ‘bells and whistles’ weren’t important to me, but traditional 5-pin MIDI connectors for my M-Audio Uno cable were - so the Roland FP30, for example, wasn’t a contender. The decent sustain pedal, and the 5-year warranty were nice bonuses, too.

I managed a quick sale and very good price on Gumtree for my well-maintained P95, so the changeover has been quite painless. And although I’ve only had the ES110 for a couple of days, I’ve quickly discovered that it feels terrific, looks good, and is a great MIDI controller for Pianoteq. I’m very happy. Thanks to all, for the advice on this thread thumb !



Posted By: John Habeeb

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/01/17 10:23 AM

Great
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/01/17 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by smartydarren
The question I have will kawai still manufacture the AHA IV Action or have they completely switched to RHC and stopped the manufacturing of AHA IV.


While the ES100 is no longer manufactured, the AHA IV action is still used by the KDP90/KCP90 console instruments.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Marcos Daniel

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/01/17 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by smartydarren
Is it worth buying the ES100 today which has the AHA IV action or should I wait for the ES110 to launch in my country.....The question I have will kawai still manufacture the AHA IV Action or have they completely switched to RHC and stopped the manufacturing of AHA IV. Because ES110 in not yet available in my country yet.


I don't feel RHII better than AHAIV (I haven't tested RHC).
It feels more or less the same, but I trend to prefer AHAIV because I feel it has longer keys.
I would buy ES100 if samples are the same.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/01/17 11:34 PM

Marcos, that's an interesting, albeit somewhat rare opinion.

The ES6 utilised the AHA IV-F keyboard and was considered one of the best portable slabs instruments available at the time. However, when it was replaced by the ES7 the industry reaction was overwhelmingly positive - I actually cannot recall any dealers or customers expressing a preference for the older model's action, indeed many reviewers commented on how much more realistic and expressive the ES7's RHII action felt.

Could it be that you prefer AHA IV-F because this action is used in your CL35, and therefore feels more 'familiar' to you?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Shaiti

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/02/17 06:50 AM

I ordered the ES110 from abroad since Kawai products didn't seem to be available anywhere locally. I had read reviews of the ES100 and heard some promising things about the ES110 and this is my first instrument so I figured I would probably be happy with it no matter what. It was delivered yesterday but turns out they sent me the ES100 by mistake. frown I am waiting to hear back from the seller after sending some photos and hopefully they will do something to fix the situation since the ES100 is different than what I paid for and also would have been cheaper. Anyhow, I am a little bummed since I was hoping to be trying it out already.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/02/17 08:32 AM

Sorry to hear that Shiati. May I ask where you are based, and also where you ordered the ES110 ES100 from?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Shaiti

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/02/17 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Sorry to hear that Shiati. May I ask where you are based, and also where you ordered the ES110 ES100 from?

Kind regards,
James
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I live in Finland. I checked the Kawai Europe distributor list and there was nothing listed for my country. Also my local music store didn't appear to have Kawai digital pianos. I later found out by accident that there is at least this one store that sells them in Finland but it would have been too far away anyway.

I ended up ordering from Thomann since I had heard good things about them and they are a large store. Everything else with the order went good, but since I ordered the ES110 as a bundle which is extremely similar to the ES100 bundle they offer I guess there was an understandable mistake made somewhere. I am hoping they are able to resolve this issue for me in a satisfactory manner, but in the mean time I put together the stand for the piano since it is the same for both models. It was very simple to put together just by myself and it looks nice although it will look even nicer with something like a piano on top of it.
Posted By: smartydarren

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/02/17 12:12 PM

Hello James,

Can the ES100 headphone jacks be connected to a PA/Mixer. I Have gone through many forums including this one and its said "NEVER use headphone outputs to send a signal anywhere except to a pair of headphones. It is a "driven" signal and will sound terrible"

To confirm this I tried the Yamaha Psr900 with the headphone out located in front of the keyboard with a (1/4 inch TRS) to XLR in the mixer and the above statement was right, the sound was not at all smooth, but when I connected the same cable to the L/L+R jack behind the keyboard to XLR on the mixer it was sounding very smooth, controlled and enjoyable.

The ES100 has two headphone outs and will this be the case because the resistance of headphone outs are suppose to be be low.
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/02/17 12:29 PM

For what's it worth, seems that in Finland there are Kawai dealers at least in Tampere (Tampereen Musiikki), Turku (Soitinasema) and Vantaa (Vantaan musiikki), but that certainly doesn't help much if one is further away in north/east.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/02/17 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by smartydarren
Can the ES100 headphone jacks be connected to a PA/Mixer. I Have gone through many forums including this one and its said "NEVER use headphone outputs to send a signal anywhere except to a pair of headphones. It is a "driven" signal and will sound terrible"

I have my ES100 wired to a Steinberg UR22 audio interface using a Y-cable with one stereo to 2x mono 1/4in plugs, listen for yourself:

http://picosong.com/GBym/ (built-in demo I recorded through the ES100's headphone jack after setting everything up).

I don't think a mixer or PA will make it sound worse.
Posted By: smartydarren

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/02/17 01:29 PM

Hi Joet, is this how you have connected the LEFT most headphone out from your Kawai ES100 to the DI box and then into the mixer.

[Linked Image]


Posted By: Marcos Daniel

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/02/17 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Marcos, that's an interesting, albeit somewhat rare opinion.

(...)

Could it be that you prefer AHA IV-F because this action is used in your CL35, and therefore feels more 'familiar' to you?

Kind regards,
James
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It could be... Anyway I play on accoustic pianos more than my DP. I am a little insensitive to differences among keyboards, I just can say I find more confortable Kawais and Yamahas. (Followed by Rolands and Casios)
Let's put my impression in these terms: the only thing I feel annoying/disturbing on digital pianos is the feel when I pay black notes near to the end of keys.
I don't miss let off, wood, ivory, etc., perhaps I have a percussionist style of playing, I don't know.
Anyway I am not a reference, I was just giving my impression.
When I feel more comfortable or easier to play, or whatever about a keyboard it does not matter if I am familiar or not with it... it just happens.

Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/02/17 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by smartydarren
Hi Joet, is this how you have connected the LEFT most headphone out from your Kawai ES100 to the DI box and then into the mixer.

Almost. The Kawai ES100 features 6.35mm or 1/4in headphone jacks instead of 3.5mm ones, so my cable uses that. You can choose one of both headphone outputs the results are identical.

[Linked Image]

I have the ES100 connected to the Line level inputs on the front of the UR22, not the outputs on the back. I don't own a DI box or a separate mixer.

Getting a good sounding recording was a straightforward process. I only had to adjust the output volume and input gain on both devices once (about half-way on each). The demo upload was recorded and encoded without further processing.
Posted By: Shaiti

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/03/17 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
For what's it worth, seems that in Finland there are Kawai dealers at least in Tampere (Tampereen Musiikki), Turku (Soitinasema) and Vantaa (Vantaan musiikki), but that certainly doesn't help much if one is further away in north/east.

Yes, I unfortunately live further away so none of those would be exactly practical although perhaps I could have ordered from there by post, but it is too late for that now. smile

Anyway Thomann have arranged it so I need to call UPS to come pick up the ES100 and when it is returned they will send me my ES110. It is only unfortunate that I now need to wait extra time to get my piano, but at least it won't be much of a hassle hopefully. I'll just have to spend the extra time practicing my notes since I'm hoping that will help me learn to sight read easier later on.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/09/17 11:35 PM

Just got a review unit of the ES110 and I can tell you its quite impressive!

Here's my review:

https://youtu.be/CgaMNd-c5SA

Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/10/17 01:01 AM

Very thorough overview, good job Chuck!

By the way, while I do not have any immediate experience with the Casio padded case, I know that Kawai Europe produces a custom gigbag for the ES100/ES110 called the 'SC-2':

[Linked Image]

http://www.kawai.de/sc2softcase.htm

Ah, and thank you for mentioning the [much improved!] owner's manual too. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: vicp

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/10/17 03:18 AM

Available in the US?

Just ordered an ES110 and am looking for a soft case. Was thinking Gator GKB but would love to have one of these.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Very thorough overview, good job Chuck!

By the way, while I do not have any immediate experience with the Casio padded case, I know that Kawai Europe produces a custom gigbag for the ES100/ES110 called the 'SC-2':

[Linked Image]

http://www.kawai.de/sc2softcase.htm

Ah, and thank you for mentioning the [much improved!] owner's manual too. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/10/17 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by smartydarren
Hello James,

Can the ES100 headphone jacks be connected to a PA/Mixer. I Have gone through many forums including this one and its said "NEVER use headphone outputs to send a signal anywhere except to a pair of headphones. It is a "driven" signal and will sound terrible"

To confirm this I tried the Yamaha Psr900 with the headphone out located in front of the keyboard with a (1/4 inch TRS) to XLR in the mixer and the above statement was right, the sound was not at all smooth, but when I connected the same cable to the L/L+R jack behind the keyboard to XLR on the mixer it was sounding very smooth, controlled and enjoyable.

The ES100 has two headphone outs and will this be the case because the resistance of headphone outs are suppose to be be low.


PMFJI --

Lots of people, here, have used headphone jacks to drive amps and mixers. If you have the levels (gain controls) set right, they usually sound fine.

The "L/L+R" jack on the back of the keyboard is a _mono_ jack, not a stereo jack.

If you have stereo headphone outputs (most keyboards do), and you want to go to XLR inputs on a mixer:

a) You need a "splitter cable", to change the TRS stereo signal to _two monophonic_ XLR connectors. If you run stereo output to _one_ XLR connector, you'll get something weird.

b) You must be sure that the XLR inputs are "line level", not "mic level". If they're "mic level", you'll overload them, and the sound will be distorted.

c) You should run with a fairly low setting of the keyboard's Volume control. A loud signal, from a headphone jack, may be higher than "line level".

Forgive me if you know all this, and you followed the rules, and it _still_ sounds bad. But there are several things that can go wrong, if you don't understand _exactly_ what you're doing.

Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/11/17 12:33 AM

Because the ES110 uses a 12 VDC power input (provided by the supplied AC adapter), it can be used with an external power supply!

The following video demonstrates how to use the Kawai ES110 with battery power, so that you can play this anywhere on the planet without an AC mains outlet!!!

https://youtu.be/5quDtJJ_PzU

Posted By: takkiz

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/12/17 11:02 PM

My feedback about the damaged es110 that delivered to me 3 weeks ago (mentioned on page 8).

First of all, and I must say this, not for advertising but as a very positive experience, is that the music store from Germany (Thomann) that I bought ES110, was very professional dealing with the return of the product without any charge and without any delay.

After I return the damaged one, they send me a new one in 1,5 week.

Now after having it for 3 days I can say that I am very happy with my choice. Every day that I play make this decision stronger.

The sound is perfect. The feel is unique and there is no weird key spacing/key separation. All looks and feel very good quality for the money.

Haven't tried every aspect of the piano and I say this to give a positive feedback to anyone that want to get a DP turn it on and just play. I am enjoying great sound and great feel!
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/13/17 02:53 AM

Thank you for the update takkiz. I'm glad to hear that the replacement process went very smoothly, and that you are enjoying the ES110.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: ColoRodney

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/13/17 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by vicp
Available in the US?

Just ordered an ES110 and am looking for a soft case. Was thinking Gator GKB but would love to have one of these.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Very thorough overview, good job Chuck!

By the way, while I do not have any immediate experience with the Casio padded case, I know that Kawai Europe produces a custom gigbag for the ES100/ES110 called the 'SC-2':

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http://www.kawai.de/sc2softcase.htm
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I ordered the similar (but presumably larger) European Kawai ES7/8 case from a German web site. They delivered to the US. It took a while to arrive, but I like the case.
Posted By: Gray44

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/14/17 05:31 PM

Somebody made another video about the look and feel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSRLrcRHbag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtHcc8V6IWs
Posted By: Buckster

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/14/17 05:56 PM

very interesting videos Gray44 - thanks for posting

I'm after a decent midi controller - but nothing really does what I need - except maybe the PX-5S

88 keys - best action I can get - not fussed about internal sounds - pitch and mod-wheel

Posted By: keyboardologist

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/14/17 11:35 PM

I had just some little time to play a demo ES110 in a local dealer shop.
I had no immediate access to the ES100 for a A-B action test, but I use to play it almost everyday at home.
I think ES110 action is a little bit stiffer, not heavier or lighter, but more straight-down without so much bounce-balance when the key is pressed at half.
I will retest it again before changing it for my ES100.
Sounds and capabilities are close... Hammond vibrato time change (Leslie speed from low to high) is excellent plus and line outs backside also.
Weight is the reason for me, but I have to be sure for the action cause I'm in love with the ES100's AHA-IV since buying it!
Posted By: lance111

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/15/17 02:12 PM

Does anyone know if the ES110 has two or three key sensors? I could not find anything in the manual.
Posted By: labjr

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/15/17 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by lance111
Does anyone know if the ES110 has two or three key sensors? I could not find anything in the manual.


I believe it has two sensors.
Posted By: ES110

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/16/17 06:51 PM

Unfortunately I have to send back for a refund my first digital piano. It was an ES110, and I had high hopes from it.
Beside the obvious key spacing issue, which was not a reason for a return by itself, it had an ugly side-effect: pressing some keys, especially on F1 it resonated the plastic case on low volume, and even when turned off.

https://youtu.be/41vFFKpUZEA

As you can see at the end, while I pressed the case down, the issue goes away. It does the same on the stand or on the floor.

On headphone it sounds great, on full volume as well as you don't get to hear this. Key actions seem alright. I'm just not ready to pay almost $1000 for a piano that feels like a cheap plastic toy, I was expecting more from a Kawai.
Posted By: John William

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/16/17 08:00 PM

Yes, It's a shame, construction materials are not the best, mostly plastic, I had a similar issue with four keys and the last key on the right, probably some noise by vibration, I fixed it by putting a piece of rubber in between the key structure and the case, it's not the best solution but I did it because in my case it was not a critical problem, and now I don't hear that noise anymore, it's similar what you say: "while I pressed the case down, the issue goes away", even so your ES110 seems to be a faulty one, and yeah it's very expensive to come with those factory defects, you're in all your right, the best way is first try the piano in the store.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/17/17 06:59 AM

Hello Florian,

Thank you posting the video.

I shall pass this useful footage on to my colleagues, and request that they investigate the cause of this issue.

Originally Posted by ES110
I'm just not ready to pay almost $1000 for a piano that feels like a cheap plastic toy, I was expecting more from a Kawai.


I'm sorry to read that you were dissatisfied with the instrument.
Currently, the ES110 can be purchased for $729 in the US and €689 in Europe.

If you have not done so already, my recommendation would be to contact the dealer and/or distributor from whom the instrument was purchased, explain the defect, and request a replacement.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: ES110

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/17/17 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James

If you have not done so already, my recommendation would be to contact the dealer and/or distributor from whom the instrument was purchased, explain the defect, and request a replacement.

The dealer was contacted, footage was shown, they will also send the issue to Kawai.

As I said, the sound was great using a headphone. Keyboard action, while a bit soft, was still very close to the real thing, so the technology behind the ES100 is good. These were important for me when choosing a digital piano made by Kawai.

I will still consider it in the future, as the product gets more mature these initial quality related issues may be fixed.

Originally Posted by John William
the best way is first try the piano in the store

This would be ideal, however in this part of the world cultural activities like playing a piano or reading a book are not very popular (we have an entire county without a single bookstore). Instrument stores are rare, and far apart. A single dealer had the ES110 on stock in the country: the one where I bought it from and shipped it by courier service. They have no ES110 on display.
Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/18/17 06:32 PM

I ordered the ES110 yesterday, but will have to wait a while since it's out of stock.

I needed a lightweight digital piano for my home studio, to use as a controller with software AND with my Nord keyboard via MIDI, and also to carry around to periodic gigs.

I'd like to comment about standard MIDI vs USB MIDI since a few people have been unhappy that there's no direct USB connectivity on the ES110. I think Kawai made the right choice here by taking into consideration the needs of professional musicians who need a more flexible interface. And they added Bluetooth.

There's no question that standard MIDI is more flexible since it allows connecting to both MIDI peripherals, and to computers and other USB devices (by using a simple adapter).

To my knowledge, no other musical instrument company has kept standard MIDI in their current line of instruments below $1000. MIDI is a professional interface, and I think most instrument manufacturers want professional musicians to shell out more bucks for the more flexible interface. I’d like to have USB as well, but an adapter can solve that (or possibly bluetooth), but if there’s only USB there’s no easy way to get standard MIDI.

So thank you Kawai!







Posted By: JimK74

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/18/17 06:46 PM

If there is only USB surely you can use one of these?

http://www.dawsons.co.uk/estudio-usb-to-midi-interface?gclid=CNyO0YPb4NICFUITGwodycoM6Q
Posted By: toddy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/18/17 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by JimK74


It's the other way around, if my understanding is correct. The cable you linked to works if there is MIDI only, not USB only. If there is usb only, you need one of these:

http://www.kentonuk.com/products/items/utilities/usb-host.shtml

It's much more expensive, difficult to get hold of, and I'm not certain they work in all cases.

Therefore, I believe Michael H is right: midi is probably more flexible, and also can avoid troublesome ground loop noise.
Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/18/17 11:14 PM

Kenton makes a box and iConnectivity used to make a box that converts USB to MIDI but, as toddy said, they're expensive and hard to find. They also require AC power, and as far as I know neither of them will work with USB keyboards that don't have class compliant drivers.

If someone needs standard MIDI at times, it's just not worth the trouble to go with a strictly USB keyboard.
Posted By: JimK74

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/19/17 12:24 AM

Ah fair enough, didn't pick up on that. Useful to know :-)
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/19/17 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by Michael H
There's no question that standard MIDI is more flexible since it allows connecting to both MIDI peripherals, and to computers and other USB devices (by using a simple adapter).

To my knowledge, no other musical instrument company has kept standard MIDI in their current line of instruments below $1000.

The other manufacturers still have MIDI in their entry-level chipsets, but with a fixed internal connection to the built-in MIDI/USB adapter. My biggest gripe with USB is the very limited cable length (just 10-15 ft) and IN/OUT being on the same connector.

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MIDI is a professional interface, and I think most instrument manufacturers want professional musicians to shell out more bucks for the more flexible interface. I’d like to have USB as well, but an adapter can solve that (or possibly bluetooth), but if there’s only USB there’s no easy way to get standard MIDI.

In case of Kawai that would have meant going for roughly twice the instrument weight just to get serial MIDI. That's a bigger issue than just having to pay up.

Speaking of weight Kawai could use the new action to build an ES8-Compact, combining the sounds, bells and whistles of the ES8 with the weight of the ES110. How does that sound? wink
Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/19/17 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT


In case of Kawai that would have meant going for roughly twice the instrument weight just to get serial MIDI. That's a bigger issue than just having to pay up.


JoeT, I'm not familiar with the terminology. If by 'serial MIDI' you mean the standard MIDI DIN interface, then the ES110 already has it, and the keyboard only weighs about 26 pounds.

Even with the nice action and sound, I wouldn't have purchased it if it hadn't had good ole' MIDI functionality smile
Posted By: keyboardologist

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/19/17 11:31 PM

Well, I had the time on Saturday to go again to the dealer and demo the ES110 for about half an hour. I got used to the action pretty fast and then I tried out some songs. The action is as heavy as the ES100, a bit lighter than Yamaha or Roland I think but I really prefer actions on the light side because it gets you more speed and less tiredness on many hours of playing as also give you more fun on fast playing such as hammond, fast strings and bass sounds.
The action is a little different but not in a way that makes any problem or any big improvement. I think it's only a matter of time to get use to it.
Considering the big plus of 3kgs lighter overall, the leslie time control which is a must, line outs, and some nice adds like effect on/off, bluetooth midi and bigger speakers, I put my ES100 on sale today.
Posted By: Dommie

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/21/17 03:54 AM

I have played my way through Alfred's 3 Adult Piano books, about 3/4 through Denes Agay's "Easy Classics to Moderns", and most of the way through Tim Richard's "Improvising Blues Piano", all on an old 49 key Miracle Piano purchased in 1992 mostly for my children.

Alas, the Miracle has now given up the ghost. I should have upgraded long ago and came close when the Privia PX-330 was new, but it just never happened.

Now I will buy a board and want to stay under $1000 and have narrowed the field to Yamaha DGX660 and Kawai ES110. My goal is to have fun playing music and maybe play in a seniors band in small venues that covers hits from the 50s through the 80s. But I have been just a home player until now.

I considered the Casios all the way up to the PX-560. Even though they have the ease of use touch screen, configurable sounds (560), lots of instruments, and good connectivity, the action is much noisier than Yamaha and Kawai to me. If you are a stage player it probably doesn't matter about the noise and the 560 is a lot of board for the money. But since I am a home player, if I can notice this noise in the store I am certain I will notice it much more at home.

What I like about the DGX is:
. So many sounds, most of them pretty decent
. Can play and record .wav files
. Audio input
. Multi track recorder
. Even though a lot of people are critical
of GHS action it seems fine to me.
Cons:
. Somewhat homely
. Definitely bulky

What I like about the ES110:
. I have only played the ES100 and I liked the
action, assume I would like ES110 even more.
. Kawai specializes in pianos
. Very good sounds
. Compact, easy to move
Cons:
. No USB to Device
. No LCD

I go back and forth between the DGX and the ES110 every day. Really, I'd probably be happy with either one. The DGX seems like you get a lot for the money.

So, if anyone is interested in weighing in with your thoughts on these nagging questions I have or any other observations or experiences you have I will be most grateful.

Is it wrong to think of the DGX as somewhat amateurish and the Kawai as more professional?

Can connecting the Kawai to something like Garageband provide the instruments and recording functionality of the DGX? Would the output of Garageband play back through the Kawai speakers or is necessary to connect to external speakers?

Thank you and Best to all,
Dommie
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/21/17 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Michael H
JoeT, I'm not familiar with the terminology. If by 'serial MIDI' you mean the standard MIDI DIN interface, then the ES110 already has it, and the keyboard only weighs about 26 pounds.

Yes, I meant that, because old school MIDI is a simple serial protocol transferring data at 31,250 bits per second. The DIN 41524 connectors used for standard MIDI are simple serial ports connecting digital music instruments to each other.
Posted By: toddy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/21/17 12:21 PM

Joe T wrote:

In case of Kawai that would have meant going for roughly twice the instrument weight just to get serial MIDI. That's a bigger issue than just having to pay up.

I don't quite understand how putting DIN sockets on a piano would double it's weight. In any case, the main alternative, USB, is also serial, so i didn't quite get your point.
Posted By: alphonsus

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/21/17 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dommie
Is it wrong to think of the DGX as somewhat amateurish and the Kawai as more professional?

That is a very subjective question, but in my opinion it is incorrect. I don't find the ES110 very professional, it looks and feels like an entry level DP (which it is).

Originally Posted by Dommie

Can connecting the Kawai to something like Garageband provide the instruments and recording functionality of the DGX? Would the output of Garageband play back through the Kawai speakers or is necessary to connect to external speakers?

You would have to use external speakers since the ES110 doesn't have Line in.

Regarding action, that's another very subjective area, but I personally much prefer the Yamaha GHS action to the ES110's RH Compact. I really love Kawai's better actions, e.g. the RHIII, but to me the RH Compact feels cheap, and it is very noisy, much noisier than GHS.

They are different type of DPs, but if you are interested in all the features of the DGX (recording, extra sounds, etc) than probably it is more suited to your needs.

Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/21/17 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by alphonsus
Regarding action, that's another very subjective area, but I personally much prefer the Yamaha GHS action to the ES110's RH Compact. I really love Kawai's better actions, e.g. the RHIII, but to me the RH Compact feels cheap, and it is very noisy, much noisier than GHS.


I've always liked the GHS action myself, but on Yamaha's that have been around a few years, such as my P35, the action is noisy and a bit imprecise, whereas the new models are quieter with less side to side motion. Same GHS action, unless it's been refined in some way. My thinking is that the grease they apply to moving parts thins out or moves around, changing the feel and amount of noise. This, by the way, is definitely the case on Nord's with the HP action.

At any rate, the ES110 action seemed pretty quiet to me when I tried it out, and others have said it's a quiet action. I guess I'll see when I take delivery of mine.
Posted By: alphonsus

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/21/17 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Michael H

I've always liked the GHS action myself, but on Yamaha's that have been around a few years, such as my P35, the action is noisy and a bit imprecise, whereas the new models are quieter with less side to side motion. Same GHS action, unless it's been refined in some way. My thinking is that the grease they apply to moving parts thins out or moves around, changing the feel and amount of noise. This, by the way, is definitely the case on Nord's with the HP action.

At any rate, the ES110 action seemed pretty quiet to me when I tried it out, and others have said it's a quiet action. I guess I'll see when I take delivery of mine.


That's a good point, maybe GHS doesn't age so well, I don't know since my own P45 is only 5 months old. I also find it possible that Yamaha is tweaking the GHS action over the years, even if not the design, but maybe the manufacturing process and/or materials used, without calling it a new action or new generation action.

As for noise, I was in the store last week where a P45 stood right next to an ES110, and on those two models, the Kawai was much noisier than the Yamaha. I compared them right next to each other with the sound off, and the P45 was quieter, and (to me) felt nicer. Btw, on all other models higher up the foodchain I prefer Kawai actions to Yamaha.
Posted By: lance111

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/22/17 02:39 PM

How would you compare the action and playing noise of the ES110 to that of a Yamaha P255?
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/22/17 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by toddy
I don't quite understand how putting DIN sockets on a piano would double it's weight.

It doesn't. However if you would remove MIDI from the ES110 (like other manufacturers did), the next best device equipped with it would be an ES8/MP7. So "MIDI IN/OUT required" would roughly double the weight you have to carry, not only the cost.

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In any case, the main alternative, USB, is also serial, so i didn't quite get your point.

USB is a serial bus using differential signaling with a complex host-device protocol and integrated power supply. That's why you can't hook up two USB DEVICEs to each other like with MIDI.

MIDI uses a simple low-speed unbalanced protocol similar to what is widely known as RS232 or simply serial port. Serial connectors are still widely used outside of RS232, for example almost every hard disk drive features a 3 pin port for repair and maintenance purposes (like data recovery). In this case, it doesn't mean the Serial ATA (SATA) bus for regular host data transfers either (despite having "serial" in its name too), but an extra port for technicians.

I admit, it can get a bit confusing. But when I mentioned "serial MIDI", it always meant the DIN port instruments use to talk to each other and computers using the 31250 bps serial protocol in use since half a century ago (much older than MIDI itself) with optical isolation. It doesn't mean an Universal Serial Bus, Firewire, Thunderbolt or anything else.

However serial MIDI doesn't always use DIN ports, some instruments use proprietary ports (like Yamahas Reface) and older computers use D-sub ports known as "Gameport MIDI". Unlike USB neither of them require an electronic interface (which can cost up to $40), just the correct adapters (w/ optical isolation) to DIN.
Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/22/17 05:15 PM

From what Kawai James has said in this thread, including serial MIDI was an intentional decision so as to not leave standard MIDI users stranded.

Kudos to Kawai on this one!
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/22/17 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by toddy
In any case, the main alternative, USB, is also serial, so i didn't quite get your point.


With USB you can only connect an host (typically a PC) to a device (a digital piano). Very very few synthesizers can exchange MIDI events through an host port. Then connecting two synthesizers or keyboards through USB is generally not possible. (Generally piano host ports are made for Flash drives).

I think the Kronos has an host port.

And you can also have drivers ussues : not all synthesizers/pianos are USB Class Compliant.

Plain MIDI links solve a lot of issues.
Posted By: toddy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/22/17 10:18 PM

Joe T said:

USB is a serial bus using differential signaling with a complex host-device protocol and integrated power supply. That's why you can't hook up two USB DEVICEs to each other like with MIDI.

MIDI uses a simple low-speed unbalanced protocol similar to what is widely known as RS232 or simply serial port. Serial connectors are still widely used outside of RS232, for example almost every hard disk drive features a 3 pin port for repair and maintenance purposes (like data recovery). In this case, it doesn't mean the Serial ATA (SATA) bus for regular host data transfers either (despite having "serial" in its name too), but an extra port for technicians.


Thanks for filling in with this information. And just to be clear, I entirely agree with you about the advantages of MIDI on instruments. I use it in my current set up and it has been the best way to avoid ground loops when linking up lots of devices.
Posted By: jkprg

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/24/17 09:27 AM

Just my 2c: I tested ES110, FP-30 (and also P-115 + some low-end clavinova and upright Yamaha B3) few times during last 3 weeks. Frankly saying I'm far from pro player. I took lessons for few years but it's long long time ago.

I can say I really like the feeling of escapement of FP-30. But unfortunately you can't use it during your play (see YT video how to play above the escapement on acoustic). It's really only touch feel that has nothing to do with sensors I guess. At least I didn't feel it.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to leverage FP-30's 3 sensors. I was testing how much I have to release a key to get note sound again but it was really same or similar to ES110. I also tested two index finger hitting a key as fast as I could. I didn't get it faster on FP-30. Maybe someone else can achieve faster repeat but I couldn't and believe me I really tried even different techniques.

ES110 key action seems to be faster for me but I was worry it was unrealistically lighter than acoustic pianos. So I tried Yamaha B3 and some Yamaha grand in the store. My fear about ES110 key action was dissolved completely. BTW when I went from Yamaha grand to some clavinova it was really heave to play clavinova for me. FP-30 is really just a little bit flabby (I'm not sure if flabby is the right word). I got a feeling FP-30's key is more dumped when it's released cause ES110 key has stronger bouncing effect which I don't like. Moreover FP-30 key has strange bouncing feel when you hit a key all the way down. Something like there's a weight at key's hammer that bounces when it hits the bottom stopper. I really really don't like it. I didn't feel anything like that on Yamaha's grand or upright B3. On the other hand I really like FP-30 ivory-like surface and whole keyboard feels more solid (well the FP-30 weights more). I can't ignore also key spacing issues that ES110 sometimes has. It doesn't affect your play but it doesn't look nice :-)

Regarding sound it's really matter of taste. I liked the brightness of FP-30 at the beginning (BTW I can't say its samples are Steinway. Roland had to post-process samples to be much more brighter than Steinway grand IMHO) but after some time the sound started to be a little bit unkind for me. Yes FP-30 has other piano samples. One is mellow one but even with that you have to play light to avoid the brightness (or change velocity key settings). Finally I like ES110 more cause default piano sample is in between bright FP-30 and (for me dull) P-115 and I can make it either brighter or mellow as I want. At the end they are all DP's with MIDI so laptop/tablet can help with the sound if needed....

Ah.. String resonance is a nice technological feature.. Surprisingly for me it really works in FP-30 :-). It may give you more rich piano sound but I didn't feel it (much). For sure not from down facing builtin speakers. Builtin speakers are really ... ok in both items. Not great. Acoustic piano sound is completely different level. So I will definitely need an external monitor speakers.

FP-30 line out/speaker jack is really weird output. Or maybe interesting solution. The problem is you really have to find proper headphones with suitable sensitivity and impedance. Otherwise headphones are not loud enough. On the other hand the output is really clean with correct connected device.

Bluetooth MIDI: I will probably use BT MIDI more than DIN MIDI in ES110 (ES110 has both). I was worry about latency but BT MIDI is based on BT 4 (or BLE) which is technologically different protocol stack than previous BT 3. I can say it's really cool. I haven't feel any latency during my test.

Other features: No doubt FP-30 has more features like configurable split point, dual mode etc. All of them are really nice but for me the key action is the most important because of my kids (well acoustic is out of my budget unfortunately).

Result for me? Well I haven't decided yet but in spite of some early production issues of ES110 I will probably buy ES110 with some ext. monitor speakers.

BTW really cool piano skills: https://youtu.be/sEQf5lcnj_o
Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/24/17 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Michael H
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To my knowledge, no other musical instrument company has kept standard MIDI in their current line of instruments below $1000. MIDI is a professional interface, and I think most instrument manufacturers want professional musicians to shell out more bucks for the more flexible interface. . .


https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PX350

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PX360

It was one of the reasons I got the PX-350.









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Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/25/17 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
It was one of the reasons I got the PX-350.

However this is what Casio bundles with it:

[Linked Image]

Kawai's F-10H is far superior.
Posted By: Shaiti

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/26/17 06:34 AM

Finally received my replacement ES110 (in place of the ES100 I accidently received) this week. The packaging was nice and it survived the trip over from Germany with no problems. The first impression I got was that it is very light which is one of the reasons I chose this model. Compared to the ES100 the box was much easier to move around and I was able to carry the piano around without any problems. I was originally a little worried it might be wobbly on the stand but it doesn't seem to be much of a prolem.

The key spacing is a little bit inconsistent which I think some people wrote about earlier in the thread. The problem is not so bad that it would bother me much though so I am still fairly happy with the ES110, but it is a bit weird that Kawai would have such a problem. This being my first digital piano I can't really give an indepth comparison or review but overall I have enjoyed the ES110 a lot so far. I am little bit worried about dust though so I need to figure out if I need to get something to cover the piano when I am not playing.
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/26/17 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Shaiti
I am little bit worried about dust though so I need to figure out if I need to get something to cover the piano when I am not playing.

You can buy a special made keyboard cover, or if you are on a budget, I found that a fitted sheet for a toddler bed has just the right size. Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E00FO5G
Posted By: Marko in Boston

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/26/17 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by Shaiti
I am little bit worried about dust though so I need to figure out if I need to get something to cover the piano when I am not playing.

You can buy a special made keyboard cover, or if you are on a budget, I found that a fitted sheet for a toddler bed has just the right size. Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E00FO5G



Check this out from Kawai: http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthreads.php/topics/2541162.html#Post2541162

( http://www.kawai.de/dc88dustcover.htm )

Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/27/17 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Shaiti
I am little bit worried about dust though so I need to figure out if I need to get something to cover the piano when I am not playing.


I picked up this cover.

It's nice as it fits perfectly over the keyboard without having to remove the music rest. It's fitted with elastic in the corners so it shapes well to fit and doesn't fall off. It has a draw string that I haven't needed to use. My only complaint (and it's hard to complain given the price) is that it's a sort of glistening cheap velour on the outside which you can see that better in the third picture on the product page, rather than the more flat looking material that is on the second picture. I would have preferred the flat, as the velour is kind of ugly and feels cheap, but honestly for $14 it does the job, and it fit out of the box.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/27/17 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James

[Linked Image]

Visuals aren't my strength. ;-) Might you be able to explain exactly what the X and Y axis relationship is here, and what the peaks with the dashed lines mean?
Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/27/17 07:17 PM

I'm guessing here Scott, but I suspect that the initial peak is the hand/finger weight needed to press the key down to the bottom, and the second longer and lower peak is the lesser weight needed to hold the key down.

Then again that could be total nonsense wink
Posted By: Frédéric L

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/27/17 07:53 PM

The curves really puzzle me.

I would think the abscissa is the time or the distance from the original position and the ordinate is the force.

Then I would understand the first peak : we have to struggle against the inertia. But once the key is in movement, we should have a low but not null force (the hammer always have a weight to be opposed). The low force should remain more or less constant until the bottom where suddenly the force would be high enough to stop the hand. I don't understand the wide curve before the top.

We could also have a little step because of the escapement button (or its simulation).

These curve are far different from what I would expect.
Posted By: Shaiti

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/28/17 06:42 AM

Thanks to all the people who suggested dust covers! I ended up ordering the Kawai one since I read some good reviews about it and it wasn't too expensive. Going to have to wait a little bit for it though since it seemed to be sold out from all the stores I could find and they are only receiving more stock next month.
Posted By: eddiep

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/30/17 05:12 PM

I have a question - I was considering buying ES110 model, but one store in my city has ES100 with a discount - it is 150 dollar difference between them. Would you say ES110 is worth 150 dollars more or should I grab ES100?
Posted By: jjo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/30/17 07:27 PM

I upgraded to the ES110 for two reasons:
1. Quite a bit lighter. I use this keyboard for gigs so I've got to haul it around.
2. Much easier to hook up to speakers (true 1/4 inch jack)

If neither of those factors matter to you, you might consider saving some money. There are other differences that might be important to others, however, and hopefully folks will chime in on those.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/30/17 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by jjo
I upgraded to the ES110 for two reasons:
1. Quite a bit lighter. I use this keyboard for gigs so I've got to haul it around.
2. Much easier to hook up to speakers (true 1/4 inch jack)

If neither of those factors matter to you, you might consider saving some money. There are other differences that might be important to others, however, and hopefully folks will chime in on those.

I haven't played the 110 yet, but I like that it has a feature to disable the effects on the EPs, as you don't always want chorus or whatever, and I though the ES100's EPs sounded pretty good apart from that limitation. Supposedly the piano sound itself has been improved as well.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/31/17 12:09 PM

whoops, too late to edit... I mis-remembered, don't think supposed to be any difference in the piano sound.
Posted By: eddiep

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/31/17 03:35 PM

Well, I do not intend to carry it to gigs so weight is non-issue for me, so the only difference would be sound and touch.
Posted By: eddiep

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/02/17 04:30 PM

Don't see an option to edit, so here goes - how easy it is to set up audio interface with ES110 (I own Steinberg UR22 which I use with guitar), I know that I can use MIDI option but I have read that quality of recording might not be most optimal, how else can I connect it to the interface?
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/03/17 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by eddiep
Don't see an option to edit, so here goes - how easy it is to set up audio interface with ES110 (I own Steinberg UR22 which I use with guitar), I know that I can use MIDI option but I have read that quality of recording might not be most optimal, how else can I connect it to the interface?

MIDI sends data, not audio, so I guess the good news is that there is no sound quality issue using MIDI, but if you're looking to record audio out the Kawai, MIDI isn't the answer. You need to take audio out of the Line Out jacks. Audio Out of the Kawai into the Line Inputs of the interface. If you have a MIDI track on the computer, and you want to use that to trigger the sound of the Kawai, you would use the MIDI In jack of the Kawai (presumably connecting it to the MIDI Out of your UR22).
Posted By: Patrycja

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/04/17 06:49 PM

Hi guys,

Can I ask you for advice please?
I got my Kawai ES110 last Wednesday and from the first moment I played it, I was not convinced with the sounds. I'm only a beginner and it's my first 'serious' digital piano. Could you have a look at the audio I recorded? The sound that annoys me the most is C4 which I play in those pieces a lot and I have a feeling it sounds way too harsh

https://soundcloud.com/user-442867586/sets/es110

I think I will return my Kawai and maybe go for ES100 instead as it is well-known model with great reviews...
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/04/17 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Patrycja
I think I will return my Kawai and maybe go for ES100 instead as it is well-known model with great reviews...

I have not heard your audio clip, but my understand is that the ES100 and the ES110 have the exact same sound (the action and some other things are different, but not the sound). So if it doesn't appeal to you, that won't be the fix, you'd have to look with something with a different sound, like maybe the Roland FP30, or a Yamaha or a Casio...
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/04/17 07:04 PM

Sounds fine to me. It actually sounds like a beginner who's inadvertently putting more emphasis on the C4 key than any other, which is probably due to your unrefined technique. My two cents.
Posted By: Patrycja

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/04/17 07:52 PM

Thanks for your reply,
I'm playing C4 with my little finger of the left hand and don't have too much strength in there. But I agree my technique is not perfect, so I hope that's the only issue here
Tomorrow I've got my piano class so I'll ask my teacher what she thinks
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/05/17 03:19 AM

If a single key consistently stands out, your dealer should provide you a replacement piano without that issue.
Posted By: Patrycja

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/05/17 06:39 PM

Thanks @JoeT!
I'll be returning my Kawai. The piano teacher said that I'm not playing inconsistently on her baby grand acoustic piano, so there is no reason I would play those sounds in a funny way on my digital piano
Posted By: Bambers

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/05/17 07:07 PM

Play c4 and d4 at the same time with the same finger will help determine if the key is standing out oddly. Even better analyse the midi out stream (there are free apps for android and presumably iOS too that will show you what the midi stream over usb is saying, or use a laptop) when doing this. If c4 has a higher velocity then it's a fairly clear sign that the sensor has fault.
Posted By: Eric Z.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/08/17 05:20 AM

I'm having trouble finding this information. One of the strikes against the FP30 for me is the downward facing speakers. Where are the speakers on the ES110? Is there anything of note about the speakers on the ES110, like how the Casio ports to the rear, anything like that about the ES110?
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/08/17 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Bambers
Play c4 and d4 at the same time with the same finger will help determine if the key is standing out oddly. Even better analyse the midi out stream (there are free apps for android and presumably iOS too that will show you what the midi stream over usb is saying, or use a laptop) when doing this. If c4 has a higher velocity then it's a fairly clear sign that the sensor has fault.

The MIDI velocity values will always vary by a bit, because those sensors aren't really precise, but you won't hear that under normal circumstances with the built-in samples and speakers. If you can clearly hear it, that's already way too much.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/08/17 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Eric Z.
I'm having trouble finding this information. One of the strikes against the FP30 for me is the downward facing speakers. Where are the speakers on the ES110? Is there anything of note about the speakers on the ES110, like how the Casio ports to the rear, anything like that about the ES110?

I was just trying to look that up, but Kawai Europe has just replaced their great accessible kawai.de website full of information with some "responsive design" imagery for mobile phones, which I most likely will never visit again. Just deleted all my bookmarks pointing there.
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/09/17 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Eric Z.
I'm having trouble finding this information. One of the strikes against the FP30 for me is the downward facing speakers. Where are the speakers on the ES110? Is there anything of note about the speakers on the ES110, like how the Casio ports to the rear, anything like that about the ES110?


As you can see in this picture https://www.sweetwater.com/images/closeup/750-ES110_detail1.jpg, on the back of the ES110 there are some holes where the sound can come out of. So, this would be different from Fp30, that only has the sound coming from the bottom. But consider the higher power of the Fp30 (11W vs 7W) and the nicer touch and reliability, escapement and Ivory touch. If you can, compare them side by side and see the difference. Hope this helps!
Posted By: Eric Z.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/10/17 01:29 AM

I'm new here but have spent a lot of time reading about various models under $1k. Normally I wouldn't mind a little unasked for advice. But knowing your post history I'm a little put off by it.

I respectfully submit that I didn't ask for purchase advice I asked where the speakers are located on a specific model in a thread dedicated to that model.

I'll give you that you had no idea that I was 98% decided on the ES110 and was just looking to fill in a gap in my knowledge of the model, or that I had decided against the Roland for a few reasons, not just the speakers.

A little more diplomacy given the thread you are in I know would sit better with me. Perhaps a simple: I really like my Roland FP30 and would be glad to answer any questions you might have about its other features, would suffice.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/10/17 04:37 AM

Eric, to answer your question, referring to the service manual for the ES110, I can tell you that the speakers are downward facing.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Korny

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/10/17 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Eric Z.
I'm new here but have spent a lot of time reading about various models under $1k. Normally I wouldn't mind a little unasked for advice. But knowing your post history I'm a little put off by it.

I respectfully submit that I didn't ask for purchase advice I asked where the speakers are located on a specific model in a thread dedicated to that model.

I'll give you that you had no idea that I was 98% decided on the ES110 and was just looking to fill in a gap in my knowledge of the model, or that I had decided against the Roland for a few reasons, not just the speakers.

A little more diplomacy given the thread you are in I know would sit better with me. Perhaps a simple: I really like my Roland FP30 and would be glad to answer any questions you might have about its other features, would suffice.


Ok, sorry about that, I didnt' mean to sound like a purchase advice.
You can buy whatever Dp you like, just trying to help with comparing because you said
you were interesed also in Fp30 but the speakers facing downward put you off about it.
Cheers!
Posted By: macuaig

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/11/17 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Shaiti
Thanks to all the people who suggested dust covers! I ended up ordering the Kawai one since I read some good reviews about it and it wasn't too expensive. Going to have to wait a little bit for it though since it seemed to be sold out from all the stores I could find and they are only receiving more stock next month.


I know you've decided but for general info, I found that a small tablecloth works beautifully as a dust cover. Nothing fancy, many choices, easy to swap it for a new design. I've got a cotton checkered one now, never slips off, and I'm as likely to whisk it onto a chair as pull it onto my lap for a session. Enjoy!

Posted By: Eric Z.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/11/17 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Eric, to answer your question, referring to the service manual for the ES110, I can tell you that the speakers are downward facing.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
x


That does help and I understand that you looked in the service manual so I tend to trust what you say. Curiously, I had emailed Kawai and got a reply back today that said:

"The ES110 speakers are inside the cabinet facing upward on the left and right sides of the cabinet."

Do the what appears to be open slots on the right & left open into the speaker area?

It's not a big deal I've pretty much decided on the Kawai over the other choices. And I've yet to see a complaint about the speakers/sound on the Kawai. I was just hoping it had upwards facing speakers like the Yamaha/Casio and I wasn't finding that information online.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/13/17 01:58 AM

Kawai ES110 actually DOES fit into the Casio Privia Gig Bag (around $60 USD):

https://youtu.be/p1XamMrv9O8

Posted By: tnsettlemo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/18/17 04:25 PM

Just bought es110 with furniture and pedal board all brand new for 816 US dollars from ER Music Gallery. Free shipping and no tax.
Posted By: keyboardologist

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 04/21/17 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by tnsettlemo
Just bought es110 with furniture and pedal board all brand new for 816 US dollars from ER Music Gallery. Free shipping and no tax.
Waiting for your review tnsettlemo and your thoughts compared to Casio PX160 or 560 action.
Posted By: keyboardologist

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 05/13/17 07:02 PM

Hello again,
It's been a while since the last post.
I managed to visit the demo store once again today and played for about an hour or less. I think the action overall is good and pretty fast. Waiting for my ES100 to go so I can handle to put the extra money for the ES110.
Posted By: tnsettlemo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 05/14/17 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by keyboardologist
Originally Posted by tnsettlemo
Just bought es110 with furniture and pedal board all brand new for 816 US dollars from ER Music Gallery. Free shipping and no tax.
Waiting for your review tnsettlemo and your thoughts compared to Casio PX160 or 560 action.

Just saw your post/request. I am only practicing sight reading so far on this piano and it is certainly nice. I haven't really memorized any pieces to play with any technique whatsoever so it would be kind of hard for me to compare the action with anything else. My favorite action was on my Yamaha P255. I do think the sound on the Casio was as good as that of the Kawai with the small non-powerful speakers each board came with, so for the money, the Casio PX160 is good.
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/05/17 02:54 PM

hi,

Thnking of getting the es110 after selling my es7. just a quick question I know it has a recorder on it but how do you save that as a midi file can you do it over bluetooth or do you have to use the midi outs? thanks
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/05/17 03:08 PM

The ES110 cannot save MIDI files at all. It doesn't have USB storage support.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/06/17 12:58 AM

Nigel, as JoeT notes, the ES110 does not feature a USB to Device port, meaning there is no way to save data directly from the instrument.

However, it may theoretically be possible to 'play' the recorded song into a sequencer running on an iPad via Bluetooth MIDI, and then save this resulting file.

By the way, may I ask why you decided to part with your ES7?

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/06/17 09:17 AM

Yes 2 words 'My back'

Went on a gig with it but it was a 2 man operation even with this bag

Keyboard bag with wheels

It was a 2 man operation. I was not unhappy with the ES7 just too heavy. I did try the es100 but decided on the bigger one. Now I need a piano I can take gigging since I now play for 2 bands and I need one that can be carried by one person.

I am looking at the roland fp30 and Yamaha P115 aswell.

I assume the sequencer is just an internal midi recorder its a shame you cant get the data. I suppose you can always use a midi recorder by bluetooth connection.
Posted By: moleskincrusher

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/06/17 11:18 AM

musicman100: Before you buy, check out the Casio Privia range if you can. The weight of all of them is in the 25-26 lb range and the quality for the cost is high.
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/06/17 12:37 PM

Hi Thanks for that . Brought a PX350 but sent it back never got on with the keyboard or sound.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/07/17 12:35 AM

Hello Nigel,

Thank you for your reply, and for explaining your requirements.

Yes, the ES110 is a good fit for something seeking a portable board with a good quality sound and realistic piano action. The FP30 is a close competitor also.

I recommend play-testing both boards to get a true feel for their sounds, keyboard actions, and features.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Daniel Tkach

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/18/17 08:42 PM

Hi everybody,
awesome posts, I can't believe I read every single one and had a look at all videos you shared. A few weeks ago I paid 10% upfront to reserve an ES110, but reading this forum made me change my mind so badly. In a way I feel pretty sad, I thought I could start playing right away, but it looks like I better save for a CN37 or even an ES8 if I decide to stay portable.

I have no piano at the moment so I was desperate to get one. I'll go to the store on the 1st next month, to test a few options and also to see if they offer a good payment option for a higher model, and if they will honor the money I paid to reserve the ES110 or I'll lose that... stupid move...

I'll surely post what I'm able to learn by trying all Kawais. I played for over 20 years, I can appreciate a good action, so yeah, the ES110 is probably not for me...

Thanks.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/19/17 02:29 AM

Hello Daniel,

Originally Posted by Daniel Tkach
I'll surely post what I'm able to learn by trying all Kawais. I played for over 20 years, I can appreciate a good action, so yeah, the ES110 is probably not for me...


I wouldn't rule-out the ES110 just yet. While it's action isn't quite up to the level of our flagship Grand Feel II wooden-key action, it's still plays very nicely, and is arguably more realistic than most other plastic actions available in this price range.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/21/17 11:58 AM

hi I am looking at the es110. Has anyone connected the Bluetooth to android. If so what apps did you use?

The kawai ticks nearly all my boxes but i just need to know if i record a song I can get it off the keyboard. I suppose i could do a midi dump thought the midi connectors but still seems no strange not to have usb on.

thanks

Also has anyone experience of gigging with it? in a band or as a duo?
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/21/17 12:34 PM

Also I like having registration for live playing but why oh why does it not save transpose!!! If I am playing live I have to try and figure what combination of keys to press!! If not stored at least have a dedicated button!! Is that something that can be added in an update? thats very crucial for me!!

I am looking at the kawai, p115 and the fp30 and all have some drawbacks !! I do like the kawai.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/22/17 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by musicman100
Has anyone connected the Bluetooth to android. If so what apps did you use?


Bluetooth MIDI support on Android is dependent on your device and OS. May I ask if you can provide this information, please? There are a few MIDI apps on the Play Store, however these may not necessarily support Bluetooth. Certainly, compared to iOS, the number of MIDI/music apps available is relatively small.

Originally Posted by musicman100
Also I like having registration for live playing but why oh why does it not save transpose!!! If I am playing live I have to try and figure what combination of keys to press!! If not stored at least have a dedicated button!! Is that something that can be added in an update? thats very crucial for me!!


As you note, the Transpose setting is not stored to Registration memory. This is a standard specification among Kawai DPs, and I believe most - if not all - DP/stage piano manufacturers. These memories are typically used to quickly change sound configurations mid-song, whereby storing the transpose setting would not be desirable.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/22/17 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by musicman100
hi I am looking at the es110. Has anyone connected the Bluetooth to android. If so what apps did you use?

Only Android 6.0 and later supports MIDI, but it's still optional (device manufacturer decides if they want MIDI support). There is no MIDI support at all in previous versions of Android, They even removed the MIDI parts of the Java class library from the Android SDK, hindering the development of musical applications.

So there you are. Unless you buy an Android-powered digital piano, you are not going to get far with Android currently. Maybe that changes in five years, who knows.
Posted By: Hotstrings

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/23/17 02:03 AM

Love my new KawaiES 110 BUT every key has a slight vibration when released to its original position.. is that a result of the new RHC action?.I'm ok with the clicking ( heard about that before )As a beginner I can't determine if vibration affects "feel"?
Thanks Mr AJ
Posted By: Dany86

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/29/17 06:10 AM

Hello, i have a question, the problem spacing key is solved? I think buy a es110, All keys have the same distance? What is your thought this piano? Very very thanks! I need help for choose this or Roland fp30
Posted By: kapelli

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/29/17 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Hotstrings
Love my new KawaiES 110 BUT every key has a slight vibration when released to its original position.. is that a result of the new RHC action?.I'm ok with the clicking ( heard about that before )As a beginner I can't determine if vibration affects "feel"?
Thanks Mr AJ


Most probably you are talking about natural thing in digital pianos. Please look at slow motions movies from top dp pianos in youtube (Roland PHAIV, PHA50, Yamaha NWX, Kawai GF and GF2) and see whether you have the same effect and that even top digital actions behave in that manner. Of course, in those top models it will be drastically reduced, but slight bumping when the key is back to it's starting position is normal and nothing to be worried.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/29/17 11:44 AM

Yes, real acoustic pianos have a slight "key bounce" on release too, this is actually something digital piano actions attempt to replicate. I think it does provide a certain level of feedback or feel when playing quick passages and arpeggios but I honestly don't know how important it is, as I've never played a piano that doesn't have it.
Posted By: Hotstrings

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/29/17 11:54 AM

Mine has one spot where spacing is just a smudge off. Not like u tube video w ones w big spaces.
I love this piano. No app but virtual tech which works sound settings but doesn't switch instruments. I'm a new piano student at age of 72 so I wanted a piano that sounds and feels closet to real thing. Wasn't interested in bells and whistles and led screens . Just nice piano.
Posted By: Hotstrings

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/29/17 01:19 PM

Not sure the kawai Es 110 would be better than Roland for gigs.. the Kawai is not user friendly as u have to hit a button, then a specific key an hope u did it right cause there is no led screen and u have to listen for the change. Wish that one day someone will build a digital piano period . Put all money and effort into a beautiful sound..No stupid drum patterns. Don't we all have that In 3 or 4 other apps an devices. Lose those useless inadequate built in speakers. I can't imagine listening to ANY digital piano w/o proper amp or pa . Maybe two other sounds like organ .. Kawai should use the RHC 3
And some other features from better pianos. Just lose more sounds and bells and whistles.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/29/17 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Hotstrings
Not sure the kawai Es 110 would be better than Roland for gigs.. the Kawai is not user friendly as u have to hit a button, then a specific key an hope u did it right cause there is no led screen and u have to listen for the change. Wish that one day someone will build a digital piano period . Put all money and effort into a beautiful sound.

Combining the two ideas you put forth there, the ES110 is okay for gigs IF all you want is a nice piano sound. If you're not going to use its other sounds, then the inability to tell which sound you've selected is irrelevant. But I agree that in a live situation, where you may have to switch sounds in an instant and be sure the sound is right before you play, the lack of any front panel indication of the selected sound is a real issue if you're using it for multiple sounds.
Posted By: jjo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/29/17 03:05 PM

I use the Es110 for all my gigs, but I only need a piano sound as I play jazz.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/30/17 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
...in a live situation, where you may have to switch sounds in an instant and be sure the sound is right before you play, the lack of any front panel indication of the selected sound is a real issue if you're using it for multiple sounds.


In this case, I would recommend using the Registration memories, which can be used to store both the sound and its associated settings (dual/split, effects on/off, etc.).

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/30/17 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
[I would recommend using the Registration memories, which can be used to store both the sound and its associated settings (dual/split, effects on/off, etc.).

That's definitely a help! But it would be better if there was even something that lit up to show you which registration you'd selected. Probably more important for a multi-keyboard setup, where you could be returning to the ES100 after playing another board... you may not necessarily remember what sound the ES100 was set for when you last played it, and you can't tell by looking which sound it is set for. I guess maybe you'd get in the habit of always selecting the sound before you started a new song, even if the sound might be what it was already set for, just to be sure...
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/30/17 03:52 AM

As always Scott, you're spot on.

I agree, some indicator lights would have been a nice addition...
Oh well, can't blame a guy from trying to defend his employer's product. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: gracegren

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/30/17 06:06 AM

I purchased the ES-110 about a month ago. I am, overall, very happy with it, and have used it already on 3 jazz gigs. I have been using an Acoustic Image amp, and now have a Electro-Voice xl90 powered speaker on order. Will be here any day to pick up from Guitar Center. GC had an open box deal, and the advantage of GC ship to store is that I could return it right back to store if there is any problem, which is 2 miles from home vs. possibly having to pay postage..

What I do not really understand about this piano is why the F key in the octave above middle C is a little louder than adjoining keys. I have learned to live with this, but then when I sit down at my Kurzweil piano, it is so nice to hear even tones. And, tonight, at the gig, I could hear the E key right below it almost cutting out, at least much less loud. Maybe that is an amp problem, but I do not recall using filters, just eq-ing the treble, mids, and bass mostly around 12:00. .

You talk about dealers here, but I bought this on Amazon. It is debate-able whether it really is a defect, even if it somewhat bothers me. I am just wondering if there is anything I can do to adjust this. Does not appear to be anything in the manual. Otherwise, everything works just great. Key spacing is fine. The piano is more trebly than the Kurzweil, but, for a gig, it really has a nice presence. Any suggestions?
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/30/17 07:16 AM

Hello gracegren,

Originally Posted by gracegren
Any suggestions?


Please contact Kawai America for assistance.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Hotstrings

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/30/17 12:22 PM

Only 4 registration memories. Better than none I guess
Posted By: Hotstrings

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 06/30/17 01:13 PM

You know mine is slightly louder on F too but since I'm a 72 beginner not sure it will affect me much.
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/09/17 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by musicman100
Has anyone connected the Bluetooth to android. If so what apps did you use?


Bluetooth MIDI support on Android is dependent on your device and OS. May I ask if you can provide this information, please? There are a few MIDI apps on the Play Store, however these may not necessarily support Bluetooth. Certainly, compared to iOS, the number of MIDI/music apps available is relatively small.

Originally Posted by musicman100
Also I like having registration for live playing but why oh why does it not save transpose!!! If I am playing live I have to try and figure what combination of keys to press!! If not stored at least have a dedicated button!! Is that something that can be added in an update? thats very crucial for me!!


As you note, the Transpose setting is not stored to Registration memory. This is a standard specification among Kawai DPs, and I believe most - if not all - DP/stage piano manufacturers. These memories are typically used to quickly change sound configurations mid-song, whereby storing the transpose setting would not be desirable.

Kind regards,
James
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My Yamaha keyboard stores transpose in the registration memory which i found very useful!!. I understand about mid song but then you would not store it is the registration memory.!! Its just having no separate button for transpose how do you do it quickly in a live situation? Using the registration memory would have been ideal. Its a shame it cant be added on an update!! Even with an option not to store the transpose settings in the registration memory. You are claerly aiming this to the gigging person with the aux outs!! So we need transpose as well!!

It is something that can be controlled by the app over bluetooth?
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/09/17 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by musicman100
My Yamaha keyboard stores transpose in the registration memory which i found very useful!!.

There are boards that can do this, and boards that can't... We're kind of spoiled having the feature to begin with, some boards don't have it at all. Actual acoustic pianos, for example. ;-) (Or an actual Rhodes/Wurli, clav, tonewheel Hammond organ...) Many of the people we gig with can't necessarily transpose their instruments, either. At least you can transpose the ES110, even if the transposition can't be stored in a single button press.

Really, since (as you say) you're not doing it mid-song, the ES110 approach isn't too terrible, especially if most of your transpositions are just, say, a half step or a whole step, which is pretty commonly the case. With only 4 registration buttons, you couldn't store many transpositions anyway. And every time you used one of those buttons to store a transposition, you'd be unable to use that button for any "normal" playing, so you'd be trading off an opportunity to store quick access to some other sound, which I don't think many people would find to be such a good trade-off, with only 4 spots available. Plus, if you wanted to change sounds mid-song with those buttons, and accidentally hit the wrong one, you could suddenly be sounding in the wrong key. ;-) I'm not saying it wouldn't be a nice feature that people could choose to use or not use, but I think suggesting that gigging players "need" this feature overstates the case. I suspect the number of giggers who "need" this is very much a minority.

Personally, I think the real limitation of the Kawai approach is having to repeatedly hit "plus and minus" keys. It would be better if there were 12 different keys for the 12 different, well, keys. Then an alternate key could be selected more quickly, and with less chance of error. I understand the problem they faced... with all the other functions they have assigned to keys, they were running out of keys, so conceptually, it's hard to place everything in places where they make sense and balance all the things you'd like to have direct access to. But yeah, I'd have preferred having, say, the top 12 keys used for selecting transpositions.

Originally Posted by musicman100
It is something that can be controlled by the app over bluetooth?

If you have an iPhone/iPad, you can probably turn Local Off, use an app like iMidiPatchbay, and select transpositions that way. It might work with the bluetooth MIDI... if not, you could try a hard-wired MIDI connection.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/11/17 04:24 AM

Excellent reply Scott.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: gracegren

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/11/17 04:34 AM

I received a response from Kawai Suggesting iI move the piano to a different room or part of room. I had already relocated the piano to the back music room and no longer a problem! The other room had wood floors, a lot of stuff in it whereas the music room is carpeted by choice and has fewer items and other items to absorb sound. Just surprised how this made a big difference.
Posted By: Andieasy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/27/17 02:01 PM

Kawai James, can you help me where can i get this piano ? im based in indonesia. (Sorry for my English)

Best regard
Andi
Posted By: JethroCrabtree

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/27/17 08:12 PM

Hello Kawai James & co! I Finally bought the ES-110 yesterday... It really seemed like it was designed for someone like me -- no frills, just basic good piano feel/sound; so I was very optimistic. I'm still getting used to it -- played the first gig last night, and the next will be tomorrow. I'm a little concerned by the look/feel of the plastic -- it really evokes an early-90's Casio kind of cheapness (ominously reinforced by the dreaded "made in china" written on the box). It's gonna be hard to make myself think that I'm not playing a toy. Then again, maybe that's what's necessary to keep the weight low. I dunno... a little uneasy about it.

I'm pretty happy with the action, so far. And the pedal is great, too. The only other area that I'm uneasy about is the sound. I feel like it's a little metallic and electronic-y, especially in the upper register. Hopefully, I'll get used to it, or figure out some better settings with my amplifier (the sound sounds further away now, so I have to adjust the amp placement -- which is weird). I've spent a while with the manual, trying to figure out the best settings to my ears. The process for choosing settings is a bit rough, but if that keeps the weight (and unnecessary frills) down, then I guess that's ok.

I wasn't sure if I was happy with the sound last night. But, after the gig, a good piano player in the audience came up and said he loved the sound, and then he tried the ES-110 out and was so overjoyed that he said he'd buy one for himself today. So, that definitely makes me feel better... we'll see how gig #2 goes, tomorrow night.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/27/17 11:18 PM

Hello JethroCrabtree, thank you for sharing your initial thoughts about the ES110.

May I ask what kind of amplification/speaker setup you are using with the instrument, please?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Andieasy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/28/17 08:00 AM

Hello Kawai James, its kinda dissapointing with you skipping my question, but im still looking forward for your help with it. Im really sorry if its due to my english, or the way i asked wasnt appropriate, please understand that it isnt my first language

Kind regards,
Andi
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/28/17 08:39 AM

Hello Andi,

My apologies, I somehow overlooked your message.

To purchase the ES110 in Indonesia, please contact Kawai Indonesia directly:

PT. Kawai Music Indonesia
Menara Top Food Indonesia 4th Floor Unit 02, Jl. Jalur Sutera Barat No. 3, Alam Sutera - Kota Tangerang 15325, Banten, Indonesia
Tel: +62-21-2565-7511/7512

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Andieasy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/28/17 09:02 AM

Thank you Kawai James. Really appreciate your help 😊
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/28/17 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by JethroCrabtree
Hello Kawai James & co! I Finally bought the ES-110 yesterday... It really seemed like it was designed for someone like me -- no frills, just basic good piano feel/sound; so I was very optimistic. I'm still getting used to it -- played the first gig last night, and the next will be tomorrow. I'm a little concerned by the look/feel of the plastic -- it really evokes an early-90's Casio kind of cheapness (ominously reinforced by the dreaded "made in china" written on the box). It's gonna be hard to make myself think that I'm not playing a toy. Then again, maybe that's what's necessary to keep the weight low. I dunno... a little uneasy about it.

I'm pretty happy with the action, so far. And the pedal is great, too. The only other area that I'm uneasy about is the sound. I feel like it's a little metallic and electronic-y, especially in the upper register. Hopefully, I'll get used to it, or figure out some better settings with my amplifier (the sound sounds further away now, so I have to adjust the amp placement -- which is weird). I've spent a while with the manual, trying to figure out the best settings to my ears. The process for choosing settings is a bit rough, but if that keeps the weight (and unnecessary frills) down, then I guess that's ok.

I wasn't sure if I was happy with the sound last night. But, after the gig, a good piano player in the audience came up and said he loved the sound, and then he tried the ES-110 out and was so overjoyed that he said he'd buy one for himself today. So, that definitely makes me feel better... we'll see how gig #2 goes, tomorrow night.


Hi I am looking at getting the es110 for gigging . what sort of line up do you play with? Is it a band or solo ?Like James said it would be useful to know what speaker you are using. Do you just use the combined line out?

Also did you look at any other keyboards. i am looking at the fp30 and p115 . i like the roland just worried about not having a dedicated line out!

Thanks

Nigel
Posted By: JethroCrabtree

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/29/17 12:34 PM

Hi! I generally play in 2 to 6-piece groups (I try to avoid solo gigs -- too lonely). One of my main goals is to have the lightest, most compact rig possible -- I don't want to be one of the countless "keyboard" players who have way too much stuff on stage. So, to that end, I use a single QSC K8, with a single line out.

The K8 has paired perfectly with my Roland FP4 (I've been playing Roland FP-type electric pianos for 17 years, even though I've always kinda wanted a Kawai). It may be that the K8 just isn't what's best for the ES-110 (the Kawai sounds pretty much perfect through headphones -- which was not the case for Nord pianos, for example). On stage, during a gig, some of the range is way too harsh and electronic-sounding (mostly the higher notes), but other times parts of the range (or even the entire range) seems to get lost, as though it's very far away. The old plan of a cranked K8 on the ground may have to be revisited if I'm going to make the ES-110 sound good to me on stage. My guess is I'll either have to put it much closer to my head (and at lower volumes, as a result -- which will lower my stage volume to the other musicians; which is a problem), or get some sort of larger or more powerful amp (which is also a problem).

I've also noticed that the Kawai's signal is way louder than the Roland's. The inexplicably low output of the Roland FPs I've played has always annoyed soundmen (and required turning up my amp a lot, at smaller gigs, just using stage volume).

Like Nigel, the Roland FP-30 and the Yamaha P-115 were my main alternatives (and my other, and more sensible, alternative was simply sticking with my perfectly good FP4, which is still on a fresh 3rd or 4th new keybed). The P-115 sounded and felt ok, especially for a Yamaha. But, I personally just don't like the sound and feel of Yamaha pianos (electric and real, both). Considering that the P-115 is about the same weight and size as the Kawai (though a bit cheaper), I ruled it out. The FP-30 is probably the logical choice for me. The newer Rolands are sounding and feeling particularly good (at least, for electric pianos -- all of which are hopelessly inferior to any real piano). The feel and sound of the FP-30 is good for me (and the FP-50 is even better -- but it weighs more than the FP4, so it just didn't seem worth it) -- and either the FP-30 or FP-50 is gloriously *not* made in China (it's made in Indonesia, I think). On the other hand, the FP-30 is barely lighter than the FP4, though, which didn't seem like a great leap into the future. Plus, it bizarrely doesn't have proper 1/4" jacks, like a real professional instrument -- suddenly it reminded me of the loathesome Casio I owned for a week.

In many ways, it's the thought process of the Roland company that has made me hope that someone would come out with an electric piano for my needs. I just want a simple, light, compact keyboard with a great action and bearable sound (and 88-keys is hardly necessary -- 76 would be even better) -- Roland keeps adding more and more stupid things to their keyboards and making weird design decisions (the control panel on the LEFT of the 64-key RD64... the lack of 1/4" jacks on the FP-30... the "doot-doot-doot" sound....). For my last 20 years of mostly steady Roland ownership, I've been constantly waiting for Kawai (a real piano company that makes the best pianos, other than Steinway) to come up with a better alternative. Basically I'd be much prouder to show up to gigs around the country with a Kawai than with a Roland; I just don't want the ES-110 to let me down, either in sound, playability or (*shudder*) reliability (I'm still uneasy about its construction, and am fearful of it breaking down on stage for a big gig -- something the Rolands have never yet done, despite constant use and abuse).

That was way too long a response.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/29/17 01:22 PM

Jethro, in my experience, the K8 just isn't so great for piano. The new version (K8.2) is much better, or for less money and less travel weight, the EV ZXa1 sounds better than the K8, though probably not as good as the 8.2.

Besides losing dedicated line outputs on the FP30, Roland also left off the MIDI jack. But you also have to remember, when you look at pricing and the history of the lines (what has replaced what over the years), you can see that the FP30 isn't really the current version of an FP4... the current iteration of the FP4 would be the FP50, which does have those FP4 features. The FP30 is a lower end model in features and price than that series, it's more of an F20 descendent than an FP4 descendent. (And personally, I actually liked the FP2 a bit better than the FP4 that replaced it! Each has some advantages over the other, but I though the FP2 action was a bit better, and the board weighed less overall.)
Posted By: ColoRodney

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/31/17 06:23 PM

Have you thought about in ear monitors? It would seem to me that if you like the sound through the headphones, you could probably get a good sound through in ear monitors. Hearing the rest of the band depends on having a competent sound person, of course.
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/31/17 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by JethroCrabtree
Hi! I generally play in 2 to 6-piece groups (I try to avoid solo gigs -- too lonely). One of my main goals is to have the lightest, most compact rig possible -- I don't want to be one of the countless "keyboard" players who have way too much stuff on stage. So, to that end, I use a single QSC K8, with a single line out.

The K8 has paired perfectly with my Roland FP4 (I've been playing Roland FP-type electric pianos for 17 years, even though I've always kinda wanted a Kawai). It may be that the K8 just isn't what's best for the ES-110 (the Kawai sounds pretty much perfect through headphones -- which was not the case for Nord pianos, for example). On stage, during a gig, some of the range is way too harsh and electronic-sounding (mostly the higher notes), but other times parts of the range (or even the entire range) seems to get lost, as though it's very far away. The old plan of a cranked K8 on the ground may have to be revisited if I'm going to make the ES-110 sound good to me on stage. My guess is I'll either have to put it much closer to my head (and at lower volumes, as a result -- which will lower my stage volume to the other musicians; which is a problem), or get some sort of larger or more powerful amp (which is also a problem).

I've also noticed that the Kawai's signal is way louder than the Roland's. The inexplicably low output of the Roland FPs I've played has always annoyed soundmen (and required turning up my amp a lot, at smaller gigs, just using stage volume).

Like Nigel, the Roland FP-30 and the Yamaha P-115 were my main alternatives (and my other, and more sensible, alternative was simply sticking with my perfectly good FP4, which is still on a fresh 3rd or 4th new keybed). The P-115 sounded and felt ok, especially for a Yamaha. But, I personally just don't like the sound and feel of Yamaha pianos (electric and real, both). Considering that the P-115 is about the same weight and size as the Kawai (though a bit cheaper), I ruled it out. The FP-30 is probably the logical choice for me. The newer Rolands are sounding and feeling particularly good (at least, for electric pianos -- all of which are hopelessly inferior to any real piano). The feel and sound of the FP-30 is good for me (and the FP-50 is even better -- but it weighs more than the FP4, so it just didn't seem worth it) -- and either the FP-30 or FP-50 is gloriously *not* made in China (it's made in Indonesia, I think). On the other hand, the FP-30 is barely lighter than the FP4, though, which didn't seem like a great leap into the future. Plus, it bizarrely doesn't have proper 1/4" jacks, like a real professional instrument -- suddenly it reminded me of the loathesome Casio I owned for a week.

In many ways, it's the thought process of the Roland company that has made me hope that someone would come out with an electric piano for my needs. I just want a simple, light, compact keyboard with a great action and bearable sound (and 88-keys is hardly necessary -- 76 would be even better) -- Roland keeps adding more and more stupid things to their keyboards and making weird design decisions (the control panel on the LEFT of the 64-key RD64... the lack of 1/4" jacks on the FP-30... the "doot-doot-doot" sound....). For my last 20 years of mostly steady Roland ownership, I've been constantly waiting for Kawai (a real piano company that makes the best pianos, other than Steinway) to come up with a better alternative. Basically I'd be much prouder to show up to gigs around the country with a Kawai than with a Roland; I just don't want the ES-110 to let me down, either in sound, playability or (*shudder*) reliability (I'm still uneasy about its construction, and am fearful of it breaking down on stage for a big gig -- something the Rolands have never yet done, despite constant use and abuse).

That was way too long a response.


Hi

Thank you for your response.

I have just spent about 2 and half hours playing the 3 you mentioned. ( p155 ,es110 and the fp30). I soon discounted the p115 with both the sound and feel of the keyboard . Playing the Kawai felt good but i was worried about how strongly built it is. When you press the buttons the whole front panel moves it feels if you press hard it will fall in!! But I suppose you do get a 5 year warranty in the UK any way. I like the roland very well built but it does worry me not having a direct output!! But I like the less weight of the kawia!! The speakers sounded very similar to me!!

So still have not really decided!!! Also the roland is £100 less then the kawia!!

I will be gigging in a band so it nice to hear the es110 worked well.

thanks for your thoughts.
Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/31/17 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by JethroCrabtree
. . . It may be that the K8 just isn't what's best for the ES-110 (the Kawai sounds pretty much perfect through headphones -- which was not the case for Nord pianos, for example). On stage, during a gig, some of the range is way too harsh and electronic-sounding (mostly the higher notes), but other times parts of the range (or even the entire range) seems to get lost, as though it's very far away. The old plan of a cranked K8 on the ground may have to be revisited if I'm going to make the ES-110 sound good to me on stage. My guess is I'll either have to put it much closer to my head (and at lower volumes, as a result -- which will lower my stage volume to the other musicians; which is a problem), or get some sort of larger or more powerful amp (which is also a problem).


FWIW --

There are two different things here -- how it sounds to _you_, and how it sounds _to the audience_. If it sounds good to the audience, and it's playing through the house PA system, either change your expectations about how it should sound to you, or change your monitor setup.

If the K8 is the main speaker for the DP, try putting it behind you, on a pole, above your head. The pole mounting improves the sound into the audience, IMHO. The height of the pole determines where your head sits, in the beam coming from the K8's tweeter. Adjust the height to taste -- but putting the speaker behind your head, at the level of your head, is likely to be really bad for your ears. Putting your head at the edge of the tweeter pattern might work OK.

In-ear monitors are certainly worth trying. They'll block a lot of the ambient sound from the house PA, and other players' monitors, and let you monitor _your_ sound, without cranking up their volume.
Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/31/17 08:46 PM

I've had my ES110 about 5-6 months now and I don't regret the purchase. The few times I've brought it out, I've used it as a controller rather than for it's onboard sounds because that was more convenient since i needed a decent organ. The ES110 organ is not good, but it's still better than what's in the Yamaha P series, and there's a somewhat useable rotary effect.

Since every note is individually sampled unlike Yamaha gear, I find it sounds more natural when playing solo. Reverb could be more flexible, but the ability to tailor the sound is nice. So far, I've found that using the soft velocity curve while brightening up the sound on Grand Piano 2 gives me a pretty good sound.

All digital pianos are meant to be played in stereo, but the ES110 sounds pretty good to me in mono if I use the left output and put a 1/4" plug in the right jack (not going anywhere) also. Maybe i'm nuts, but this sounds better to me. I've used Nord's and sometimes found that using the right jack alone gives me good results. I think that the way different manufacturers configure their outputs is not a standardized thing, so some experimentation can be worthwhile.
Posted By: JoniD

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/04/17 07:35 AM

Got mine a few days ago and have mixed feelings about it. If I put it on a heavy solid surface, table etc the sound is great and the key noise which I must say is louder than that of Roland FP-30 is not much of a bother. However, when I put it on my double X-stand the sound becomes hollow and the key noise is totally unbearable just like some low budget casio after several years of bashing the keys. I can hear keys clunking even at full volume and in headphones. It seems that in chase for low weight Kawai made the piano less sturdy and more hollow inside and it resonates now. I'm not sure that original kawai stand will totally resolve the issue. I'd like to ask other owners of Kawai ES-110 whether they have faced with such a problem?
PS Just in case, I have already tried it with all effects off and in different rooms smile
Posted By: Hotstrings

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/04/17 12:33 PM

Well, I have had Kawai Es 110 for two months. I knew going in I would never use inboard speakers and immediately disabled them. Honestly even the expensive ones don't sound good. I'm am a guitarist (60 yrs) so I have lots of gear and use it in w both lines out into one of my amps , pa, or just headphones. I am from New. Orleans and had a beautiful wrought iron stand w beveled glass on top. Very solid and since kawai Es 110 speakers face down they sounded terrible against the glass. No problems ..solid. I have heard the portable square stands are far more secure than x kind. Also this piano deliberately mimics grand with groaning wood noises and such which you can adjust w settings or I use the virtual technician app on Bluetooth to do it.
Amps are heavy. Prefer minimum of 12 inch speaker. I never take piano out of house so I am able to use this stand. I wish there was a digital piano w no speakers, no bells , extra this and that, split dual, and dozens of unnecessary effects and put all effort into making it feel and sound like a concert grand. This Es 110 is closet I've felt. Ain't user friendly but I knew that going in.
I am plugged into a. 1984 vintage Yamaha w electrovoice speakers. Two 12s. And miked w an Opus to a Fender Passport Pa. I am 72 , practice religiously 4 hours a day and it never tires me. I love this piano. Not sure if I was gigging though asif it might be a Lil delicate. Disable all those resonance settings and see if improved. But inboard speakers ? Ugggh
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/07/17 01:59 AM

Thank you for sharing your experiences with the ES110, Hostrings!

I would absolutely love to visit New Orleans...one of these days I will try to make it over!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: JoniD

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/07/17 07:36 AM

Continuation of the story: keys now rattle on any surface solid or not and I also have some clicking noise in addition. I'll have to return the keyboard and take something else as I don't want to take a risk again. I had to make a trip of 250 km to buy it and now I'll have to make it again to return it frown
Posted By: EVC2017

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/07/17 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by JoniD
Continuation of the story: keys now rattle on any surface solid or not and I also have some clicking noise in addition. I'll have to return the keyboard and take something else as I don't want to take a risk again. I had to make a trip of 250 km to buy it and now I'll have to make it again to return it frown


Could you provide further details? The click occurred when you released the keys? I am having this with my ES8, which is the second unit I get (replacing one with the same issue). The click is low but, first, it was not there and still are not in most of the keys and, second, it is farly disturbing (to me at least) when I play pp or ppp.
Posted By: JoniD

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/08/17 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by EVC2017

Could you provide further details? The click occurred when you released the keys? I am having this with my ES8, which is the second unit I get (replacing one with the same issue). The click is low but, first, it was not there and still are not in most of the keys and, second, it is farly disturbing (to me at least) when I play pp or ppp.

No, click occurs on some keys then you press the key down to the bottom, on the release I hear loud rattle - key returns and makes a few rebounces. I'll try to find the time and make a video.
I hate this rattling sound mad
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/08/17 09:41 AM

JoniD, may I kindly recommend that you contact Kawai Indonesia to seek technical support.

I'm afraid I do not understand what is causing your ES110 to behave in this manner, however I'm confident that my colleagues in Indonesia will try to resolve this issue for you.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: M.C. van der Kooij

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/10/17 06:07 AM

I bought the ES110 2 months ago and I am very happy with it. The speakers are not so good, I will 'fix' this by adding external speakers within 1 or 2 months. Probably JBL SLR 308. Currently there is a huge difference between what I hear with my head phones and with the speakers.
Another thing that is anoying is the sound of the keys itself, you can clearly hear me play when I use the headphones. Is that normal for DP's? Or are the keys of the ES110 a bit louder than other piano's? It would be nice to have a DP that can be played silently for other people in the room, not only silent for the neighbours :-)

Martijn
Posted By: Belger1900

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/10/17 07:40 AM

Every DP makes some kind of noise when pressing the keys. Depending on mechanics some may be louder than others. That is normal. I personally found the rolands to be quite loud when playing with headphones.
Posted By: EssBrace

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/10/17 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by M.C. van der Kooij
It would be nice to have a DP that can be played silently for other people in the room...


Never going to happen. Piano actions are complex machines with numerous moving parts. For the movement to feel piano-like that movement needs a positive stop at both ends (if you get my meaning). This means noise. Inevitably.

I have no experience of the ES110 but my experience of other Kawai DPs is that they tend to be on the quiet side compared to most other makes.
Posted By: JoniD

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/10/17 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by M.C. van der Kooij

Another thing that is anoying is the sound of the keys itself, you can clearly hear me play when I use the headphones. Is that normal for DP's? Or are the keys of the ES110 a bit louder than other piano's? It would be nice to have a DP that can be played silently for other people in the room, not only silent for the neighbours :-)

I tried other pianos with a similar price tag in the shop and ES-110 had the loudest key noise. KDP-90 with Kawai's previous budget action AHA IV was a bit less noisy, and Roland FP-30 was almost silent in comparison.
Key rattle of ES-110 was the only reason I returned mine to the dealer. The Kawai ES-110 they had on display had the same rattle.
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/10/17 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by JoniD
Originally Posted by M.C. van der Kooij

Another thing that is anoying is the sound of the keys itself, you can clearly hear me play when I use the headphones. Is that normal for DP's? Or are the keys of the ES110 a bit louder than other piano's? It would be nice to have a DP that can be played silently for other people in the room, not only silent for the neighbours :-)

I tried other pianos with a similar price tag in the shop and ES-110 had the loudest key noise. KDP-90 with Kawai's previous budget action AHA IV was a bit less noisy, and Roland FP-30 was almost silent in comparison.
Key rattle of ES-110 was the only reason I returned mine to the dealer. The Kawai ES-110 they had on display had the same rattle.


What dp did you end up getting a fp30?
Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/10/17 06:11 PM

Key noise doesn't bother me on my ES110, it just doesn't seem that noisy to me.

I've had new Yamaha P series pianos that were extremely quiet, and older P's that were very noisy, likewise a Nord Electro 3 HP that drove me nuts it was so noisy, but the ES110 seems to me to be fairly quiet and unobtrusive, meaning it doesn't distract me from music making.
Posted By: JoniD

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/10/17 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by musicman100

What dp did you end up getting a fp30?

Yes, I went back home with Roland fp30. At last, nothing distracts me from playing.
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/12/17 04:54 PM

The huge difference on headphones and by integrated speakers is pretty normal for digital pianos with no or with mininalistic cabinet.
I have compared Roland F130R and RP401R some years ago. On the headphones I could not hear any difference. With integrated speakers, the difference was huge.
Posted By: JoniD

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/15/17 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
The overall weight reduction is largely due to the new 'RH Compact' action, which is 70% lighter than the AHA IV-F action utilised by the ES100

Kawai James You said earlier that RH Compact action in ES-110 is 70% lighter than AHA IV action in ES-100. Was the weight of the hammers also reduced ?

Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/15/17 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by JoniD
Kawai James You said earlier that RH Compact action in ES-110 is 70% lighter than AHA IV action in ES-100. Was the weight of the hammers also reduced ?


The physical (i.e. material) weight of the hammers may well have been reduced, however I'm afraid I do not have any specific information to support this assumption. The touch weight (the part that matters) should feel more realistic, and closer to that of an acoustic grand piano.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: JoniD

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/15/17 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James

The physical (i.e. material) weight of the hammers may well have been reduced, however I'm afraid I do not have any specific information to support this assumption. The touch weight (the part that matters) should feel more realistic, and closer to that of an acoustic grand piano.

I really liked the action but the key clunking and rattling became absolutely unbearable. That's a shame that Kawai offers improved touch feeling at the cost of drop in quality.

Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/15/17 11:02 AM

I don't believe quality has dropped, perhaps you simply received a defective unit?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: JoniD

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/15/17 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
I don't believe quality has dropped, perhaps you simply received a defective unit?

When I returned it to the dealer we tried the one they had on display and it also rattled.
As far as I know I'm not the only one to complain about it.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/16/17 08:34 AM

Okay, thank you for the feedback JoniD.

I will pass this on to my colleagues in Indonesia.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: ArtlessArt

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/26/17 04:44 PM

Hello there, new to PW! Long time lurker, finally decide to contribute and become part of the fam. Great forums!

Just wondering is anyone still having issues with the key noise and spacing?

I finally bit the bullet and ordered myself a Kawai ES110 last Wednesday. Should receive it on Mon, pretty excited as I can finally play at late nights (currently have a studio/console upright). Hoping there are no issues with the keys.
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/26/17 05:30 PM

Hi just got an es110 second hand off ebay got it yesterday. No problem with main with spacing or key noise. Sometime i think people want perfection!!. There will always be some noise with weighted keys!!

Enjoy your keyboard. I am enjoying mine I love the sound of it!!
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/26/17 06:17 PM

hi just a quick question james how do you do an update on the es110 if it needed one? Over bluetooth midi?
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/26/17 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by musicman100
hi just a quick question james how do you do an update on the es110 if it needed one? Over bluetooth midi?

By playing a MIDI file through the serial MIDI IN port. However only Kawai technicians are authorized to do this kind of update.
Posted By: Hotstrings

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/29/17 03:28 AM

Yes the Bluetooth works fine on es 110. Long as you use the app itself settings for Bluetooth to connect . Need to connect through app itself. There is a blumidi app that automatically connects the other apps. I use that and virtual technician, garage band, SuperScore, and any others will automatically connect.
Posted By: ArtlessArt

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 08/29/17 02:20 PM

Update: Received my ES110 yesterday. Hooked it up to studio monitors and off she goes. Very happy with it, no key noise or spacing issues. Love the sound and the pedal that came with it. Miles ahead in comparison to my old SP170s.

The touch is light compared to my acoustic (which has a heavy touch anyway) but I like the key return speed. The keys feel very much similar to my mum's Kawai us65. If I have to nitpick I noticed that when you hit the key all the way down there's a slight bounce, though it doesn't seem to affect play. In my opinion a good buy for its price esp if you have a set of nice monitors.
Posted By: keyboardologist

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 09/25/17 11:27 AM

Well, I managed to sell my ES-100 and buy the ES-110 in the summer. I have had the ES-100 for 2 years and now I'm with ES-110 for about 2 months. I have not yet done a live or a rehearsal so I can't confirm the action in "demanding" situations but I'm happy with it in home studying.

The action is a little bit on the stiffer side. I think that the velocity response is better, you can play more quiet and more loud that the ES-100. The key mechanism is a bit louder upon key release but I don't really mind. The spacing is pretty good, better than the ES-100.
With Regard to the action response, I feel that if I play quite gently it's a bit lighter, I mean that the key press on the top side is light, but when pressing hard you reach a hardest and stiffer end, which leads you to a harder/stiffer response. I'm not really used to it, so I finally ending myself putting force not really required.

The whole keyboard weight reduction is excellent! The Leslie on/off effect a big plus. Also line outs are a huge must! I have not yet tested the bluetooth. The speakers are definitely looking downwards, as on ES-100, but I feel that ES-100 had just a bit better sound from the build-in speakers. I think that Kawai did a lot of improvements regarding live use players and I'm really happy with it.

Ending my short review, when I first opened the box of my ES-110 in the shop (official seller) just to check the keyboard, there was a sticky note! The seller proposed me to go directly to the official service, which I did, where they opened the keyboard and fixed it. It was something like a wrong placement on a wire that was preventing one key's movement. I was ok after an hour.

So, I'm asking Kawai James... do they make last minute tests after assembling the keyboard? I think that Kawai should have at least play every note for one (or lets say 10) times before packaging. I know kurzweil tests every single keyboard with an automatic machine for let's say a 1000 press per key, is that a difficult process?

With Regards,
Christos
Posted By: keyboardologist

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 09/25/17 09:44 PM

Also, there has been a small improvement on the casing, the front-face bottom part has a better angle which give a little more space at the feet. I'm a short person and kawai's overall height does not help me because I have to put it on a higher stand position which doesn't fit my arm well. Something has to be done for the bottom casing. I don't have problem with increasing the upper structure so they can try to put speakers and electronics over the keybed and not under, as this will decrease the height between keys and bottom, as of most of the synths or workstations...
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/04/17 02:09 AM

Hello Christos,

Thank you for your feedback.

I'm sorry to hear that the ES110 you received had one sticky note, due to a trapped wire. I believe this may have happened during transportation, as Kawai instruments are thoroughly checked and rechecked prior to shipping.

I do recall hearing a similar report that a trailing wire inside the ES110 case could become dislodged, and hamper the key/hammer movement, and I expect this was what happened with your instruments. As far as I am aware, the factory quickly implemented a countermeasure to prevent this from occurring in the future.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: tomeeh

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/07/17 03:40 PM

Hello,

I have a question to the ES110 users. Yesterday I tested ES110 in a shop (and compared it to FP-30, of course). Actually I was happy with this piano, and was about to buy it but I noticed two things I do not like / do not understand:

1. When I set the volume slider above 70%, the case resonates clearly making the sound out of the speakers annoying. Is it a general issue, or was it on the particular piano I played?

Could I ask you to do the following test: choose "Concert Piano" as the sound, set volume to about 80 - 100%, and play fortissimo following notes simultaneously: Bb0, Bb1 on the left hand and F2, Bb2, D3 and F3 on the right hand, please? Do you get a clear sound with no distortions, or do you perceipt foreign artefacts?

2. The piano seems to have a very thin plastic case, so when I pushed a button, then the top of the case moved down. Is this typical, or was it just on this piano?

I noticed, as soon as I pushed the case in the area of the volume slider, the annoying resonance was gone. Actually I'm asking myself, if I should buy one, open it and insert any part between top and bottom case to cancel the resonance? However this certainly voids the warranty...
I really preffered this piano had a string resonance, and not the case resonance of this kind :-).

Please tell me about your experience with internal speakers and higher volumes!
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/08/17 05:31 PM

I have the es110 and I have no case resonates. I do have it on the proper stand but its fine on the keyboard stand as well.

[Linked Image]

I have tired the chord you suggest it does not sound clear but when I tried it on my acoustic piano it sounded just as bad. That chord will not sound great on any piano its to low!! The sound you are hearing is the sound of the bass sound.

The case does seem a bit flexible but after quite a lot of heavy use it is fine.

With regard to string resonance you will be hard to push to hear the difference!!! Just decide on which sound you like the best!!

I tiried both the roland fp30 and the kawai es110 in several shops and could not really decide on which one. Although I prefer the touch on the Kawai it is less tiring. I also needed the line out for gigging and the flat EQ which the roland does not have. The other sounds on the kawai are also more usable the ones on the roland apart form the piano are not so good. But roland does have an excellent andriod app.

But it depends what you are using it for. The roland feels better built but the kawai is lighter so it all depends on what you are using it for. But both are good you cant go wrong with either.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/08/17 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by musicman100
I also needed the line out for gigging and the flat EQ which the roland does not have.

I don't think we know this for a fact, i.e. that the Roland necessarily sends a non-flat signal out of its headphone jacks.
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/08/17 06:29 PM

But after reading the manual it does not mention that you can turn the reverb off. You can change it to a different one but not turn it off completely and when I tried the Roland in the shop through a keyboard amp the reverb was on.

I assume the output from the headphone socket will be eq/set up for headphone listening. But if anyone else knows different I will stand to be corrected.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/08/17 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by musicman100
I assume the output from the headphone socket will be eq/set up for headphone listening. But if anyone else knows different I will stand to be corrected.

The thing is, I'd say that the "proper" EQ for headphone listening is flat, especially since the manufacturer has no idea what kind of headphones you'll be using. The idea of having special EQ to get the best out of the built-in speakers makes sense, since the mfr is providing the speakers with the piano so it is a known quantity. If the (likely highly non-flat) EQ to get the best possible sound out of the speakers is also engaged on the headphone out, that will compromise the headphone sound, as there is almost no chance that the EQ for the built in speakers will be the best EQ for a given set of headphones. So sending the speaker EQ to the headphones doesn't make much sense from a good audio design perspective, although it might be done as a cost-saving or design-simplicity measure, to have a single audio path that sends the same thing to the speakers and the headphone out, especially in a low-cost system where the headphone out might be seen more as a mere convenience than as a source of high quality sound. I would hope that the Roland FP30 headphone out does not have the speaker EQ on it, but I don't know how to find out for sure.
Posted By: tomeeh

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/11/17 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by musicman100
I have the es110 and I have no case resonates. I do have it on the proper stand but its fine on the keyboard stand as well.
I have tried the chord you suggest it does not sound clear but when I tried it on my acoustic piano it sounded just as bad. That chord will not sound great on any piano its to low!! The sound you are hearing is the sound of the bass sound.


Hello musicman100,

thank you so much for your effort!

Regarding the chord I asked for: at the time of writing the post I was not at the store anymore, so it could be I mixed the octave for the right hand. Would you be so kind, and could you test the same, but right hand one octave upper, please? But please keep the left hand unchanged - I am pretty sure about it.

If any of other es110' users could check, if the case resonates at volume 80-100% hitting Bb0, Bb1 on the left hand and F3, Bb3, D4 and F4 on the right hand, it would be great for me. Or just any other chord with octave on the left hand, pretty low, and chord on the right hand...

I think, I like es110 more than FP-30, since:
1. FP-30 has only 3 piano sounds, whereas ES110 has 8 of them.
2. ES110 has "virtual technician" allowing to adjust not only reverb and brilliance (as on FP-30), but also damper resonance, voicing, fall-back noise and damper noise.
3. One professionalist writes about too stretched temperament for FP-30: ES110 does not have this problem + you can choose out of 7 different temperaments.
4. FP-30 sounds somewhat too metalic/twangy. I also exprienced this within 1 hour of playing. Actually I accepted it, but I'm afraid this could be annoying after some weeks/months of playing.

So all in all I think I'll go for ES110, but need to make sure, I get a clear sound from the internal speakers, since I do not plan buying extra monitors for the piano - I want the instrument to be "plug&play".
Posted By: Oskar Costa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/20/17 07:25 PM

Agree the ES110 sounds a bit more natural and neutral than the Roland, but the statements about over stretched tuning doesn't seem to be true. At least, to me the FP-30 sounded quite accurate and the richness of the sound was very enjoyable. The FP-30 just sounds more like a modern piano, while the ES110 has a more classical acoustic-like sound. IMHO
Posted By: mick297

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/24/17 02:53 PM

I understand that the jazz organ sound allows for the speed of the rotary speaker to be controlled by depressing two buttons simultaneously, toggling slow to fast or fast to slow. Does this button depression generate a midi control message over the midi jack wire allowing for a rack mount synthesizer (korg x5dr) to react to the kawai buttons?Said another way, I want to control the korg rotoryou speed with the kawai - is this possible?
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/24/17 03:23 PM

I don't know the answer specifically, but at least in theory...

(a) hitting the button to change rotary speed should send some MIDI command. Otherwise, if you recorded your performance into a DAW (including the rotary changes), it would not play back as you played it. That said, it's not listed as a control change in the ES110 MIDI Implementation Chart. It could be sending a sysex command, though.

(b) regardless, there is no standard MIDI command for rotary change, so even if the Kawai sends out a MIDI message with the use of the rotary command, it is almost certainly not the message that your Korg uses for its own rotary function. That doesn't necessarily mean all is lost, but it could be complicated. You might be able to edit the x5dr organ sound and redefine the MIDI command that changes its rotary effect... it would have to be a CC, so assuming the ES110 MIDI implementation chart is correct, it looks like your option would be to use a foot pedal. Alternatively, you might be able to use a MIDI Event Processor (or computer providing that function) to convert whatever the Kawai is sending to whatever it is the Korg wants to see.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/24/17 11:49 PM

Wow, Scott nailed it. wink
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/25/17 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by mick297
I understand that the jazz organ sound allows for the speed of the rotary speaker to be controlled by depressing two buttons simultaneously, toggling slow to fast or fast to slow. Does this button depression generate a midi control message over the midi jack wire allowing for a rack mount synthesizer (korg x5dr) to react to the kawai buttons?Said another way, I want to control the korg rotoryou speed with the kawai - is this possible?


yes it is it is midi control change 67.Whether you can control the korg like anotherscott says depends on what midi control number the korg uses.

In fact if you have the F-350 triple pedal accessories if you press the left pedal it will turn it on and off!! James i think you should put that in the manual.

I have a midi app that i can use on andriod which controls the es110 over bluetooth midi . i can change sounds and turn off the rotary speaker pick split sounds,etc.

James it would be useful to have a midi exclusive data format chart for the es110. i notice you have it in some manuals like for the es8. Is there any way to get it for the es110? With the app I am using you send midi exclusive date but without the chart its really hard.

thanks
Posted By: zwdzk

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 05:12 AM

Friends, I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I believe the rebound noise on the ES110 is fixable, and quite easily, too. Of course, you void your warranty doing this, so act at your own peril.

[Linked Image]

Yes, that extremely slim white rectangle is the layer of felt that catches the rebound.

To put it simply, the cause of the noise is two protruding plastic latches at the bottom of every key that hit a different plastic rod as the key travels upwards and reaches its apex. The felt on this rod might as well not exist with how thin it is. Cursory tests with normal cloth have eliminated the rebound noise COMPLETELY. Now, the metal hammer rods don't lay flat with the extra cloth, but I have yet to actually remove the inferior felt from the piano and replace it, which would account for the added thickness. When I do, the hammers should lay flat, or close to. I won't know until I actually get thicker felt, but I can surmise that it will have the same effect.

From what I've seen, the RHII and RHIII feature the same design flaw, which should be able to be remedied in the same fashion. I've heard the RHIII action and can confirm it makes a rebound noise as well, but not quite as loudly.

Further, even the archaic AHA-IV action seems to have a built-in mechanism to absorb shock from the impact, as you can see below.

[Linked Image]

What gives?

Frankly, it's concerning that the cause of the rebound noise, which is louder than the sound of the key depression itself, is the result of something as simple as crappy felt. The good news is that it's a relatively easy fix and makes an already fantastic piano way more playable, IMO. I'll try to update this when I get better felt installed.
Posted By: M.C. van der Kooij

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 06:53 AM

Very interesting, could you create a video or some photos about this. I'm very interested because the noise is currently the only reason I would want another instrument.
It would be nice to know what steps are needed to remove the cover etc.

And it would also nice to hear from Kawai if they could fix/improve this without voiding warrenty.
Posted By: JoniD

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by zwdzk
Friends, I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I believe the rebound noise on the ES110 is fixable, and quite easily, too. Of course, you void your warranty doing this, so act at your own peril.

The plastic cover resonance due to use of thin plastic can also be removed by lining it with vibroplast - heavy vibration-dampening material used for sound-insulation in cars. The rattling sound can be removed by placing rubber spacers between the plastic case and the key action. The only question is why it all hasn't been made by Kawai ?
Posted By: zwdzk

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by M.C. van der Kooij
Very interesting, could you create a video or some photos about this. I'm very interested because the noise is currently the only reason I would want another instrument.
It would be nice to know what steps are needed to remove the cover etc.

And it would also nice to hear from Kawai if they could fix/improve this without voiding warrenty.


Bad video work, but here's a little something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZXV5r9wdYo

Correction: Upon further inspection with a flashlight and magnifying glass, the black layer isn't rubber, but actually a very dense foam. It wasn't noticeable to me at first in the low lighting. For all intents and purposes, though, it serves the same purpose considering its similar qualities with a very soft rubber.

Posted By: EVC2017

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 08:27 AM

Interesting and intriguing. My concern is the the law of unintended consequences to apply to this fix. I am curious to know how it works on the medium/long term. I too wonder why Kawai does not apply it to its products based on these actions.
Posted By: zwdzk

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 06:22 PM

Hey guys, quick update. I've come up with several potential solutions here, which I've diagrammed below. Also, a short video explaining them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HNG8TTPd6M

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by EVC2017
Interesting and intriguing. My concern is the the law of unintended consequences to apply to this fix. I am curious to know how it works on the medium/long term. I too wonder why Kawai does not apply it to its products based on these actions.


That's my thought as well. If the hammers don't sit flat, does that cause a dead spot in the key press? If the replacement felt is not precisely the same thickness as stock, will it cause the keys to sit lower (and possibly keep the top sensor pressed)?

Also, it looks like in order to get to the same strip of foam on the black keys, you really have to really take apart the action?

Replacing felts is almost a fact of life for anyone who wants to keep a DP in perfect playing condition for 5+ years, but using new material may introduce some complexities. In any case, I'm excited to hear the results of your fix. Good luck!
Posted By: zwdzk

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by EVC2017
Interesting and intriguing. My concern is the the law of unintended consequences to apply to this fix. I am curious to know how it works on the medium/long term. I too wonder why Kawai does not apply it to its products based on these actions.


That's my thought as well. If the hammers don't sit flat, does that cause a dead spot in the key press? If the replacement felt is not precisely the same thickness as stock, will it cause the keys to sit lower (and possibly keep the top sensor pressed)?

Also, it looks like in order to get to the same strip of foam on the black keys, you really have to really take apart the action?

Replacing felts is almost a fact of life for anyone who wants to keep a DP in perfect playing condition for 5+ years, but using new material may introduce some complexities. In any case, I'm excited to hear the results of your fix. Good luck!

My goal is to retain the exact depth of the current foam and felt. One easy solution to this problem is shaving the foam by the difference in height between the new and old felt. Or, alternatively, you could add or subtract hammer-side felt to mitigate the changes. Those will be last resorts if simply replacing the felt doesn't have a great effect, though.

The black key action presents a slightly more challenging problem, but it's conceivable that a razor attached to some sort of telescopic instrument could be used to remove it. Likewise, the new felt could then be threaded through. Honestly though, I would be satisfied if I could only get the white key rebounds silent.
Posted By: Gombessa

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by zwdzk
Honestly though, I would be satisfied if I could only get the white key rebounds silent.


Just a personal anecdote, but there's a Roland RD-300NX that I play semi-frequently, and it has some really loud black-key rebound noise. The white keys are fine. I notice it whenever I play without headphones and it does bother me (perhaps only because it is different than the white keys).

So you might think you're only concerned about the white keys now, but if you fix them, you might then start noticing any black key noise too wink
Posted By: zwdzk

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by zwdzk
Honestly though, I would be satisfied if I could only get the white key rebounds silent.


Just a personal anecdote, but there's a Roland RD-300NX that I play semi-frequently, and it has some really loud black-key rebound noise. The white keys are fine. I notice it whenever I play without headphones and it does bother me (perhaps only because it is different than the white keys).

So you might think you're only concerned about the white keys now, but if you fix them, you might then start noticing any black key noise too wink

Haha, very true. And, if that's the case, I must soldier on and fix that issue as well. No warranty, so I'm in this for the long haul, baby.

As it stands so far, the white keys are extraordinarily easy to muffle. I pulled back the felt off the foam base for a single key to test, replaced it with a pair of different layered materials, and the key is completely inaudible. It also sits at a normal height - maybe under by a millimeter or two. I can attribute this to the lack of precision in this quick test. I merely eyeballed the thickness and replicated it. I have no doubt that a measured felt insert would be indistinguishable, save for the noise cancellation. I also wouldn't say there's a dead spot, but the key is slightly softer when depressing it. Again, this should be fixed with exact measurements, but might actually be preferable to some.

Interestingly, I layered the pulled back felt under the adjacent key action, and that action is even quieter than the material I used under the other action. I believe only one latch from each of the two following keys is touching the overlapping felt, so it might be the case that only every other set of adjacent keys needs felt (i.e. under the "crack" of the key). One latch on the low B and C key share a piece of overlapped felt, and they are both noiseless. As an added benefit, the key and action haven't been affected AT ALL, as opposed to the A key, which needs its material adjusted.

This is all very interesting. Trying to get a video of the sound comparison up now.

Edit: Here's the preliminary sound comparison:
Posted By: Nerios

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 11:48 PM

This is very interesting.

The rebound noise or some as some people call it; the key "fallback" noise. It's pretty loud and noticeable across all the non-wooden actions from Kawai I've tried so far.
The only action I didn't notice this noise and bounciness were from the CA series, the MP11 and the VPC1, all of them which uses wooden keys.

I was opting for an ES110 at first but decided to get an ES8 in the end, it took me a while to get used to this noise, but sometimes if you listen closely to it it's very noticeable compared to the Roland FP series which has close to no bounciness (and more quite in general).

That is not to say that acoustic pianos don't have fallback noise, since you can configure the fallback noise in the ES8, but sometimes I find it hard to get used to that physical hard "thumping" rebound sound compared to an old acoustic piano I play at school.
Posted By: zwdzk

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 10/30/17 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Nerios
This is very interesting.

The rebound noise or some as some people call it; the key "fallback" noise. It's pretty loud and noticeable across all the non-wooden actions from Kawai I've tried so far.
The only action I didn't notice this noise and bounciness were from the CA series, the MP11 and the VPC1, all of them which uses wooden keys.

I was opting for an ES110 at first but decided to get an ES8 in the end, it took me a while to get used to this noise, but sometimes if you listen closely to it it's very noticeable compared to the Roland FP series which has close to no bounciness (and more quite in general).

That is not to say that acoustic pianos don't have fallback noise, since you can configure the fallback noise in the ES8, but sometimes I find it hard to get used to that physical hard "thumping" rebound sound compared to an old acoustic piano I play at school.

[Linked Image]

So the RHII and RHIII actions feature the same latch/rod design flaw as the RHC. As you can see, the latch protruding from the bottom of those keys are hitting, yet again, another plastic rod with an inadequate piece of felt on the bottom. Theoretically, the solution should be identical to the one here.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 11/02/17 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by musicman100
James it would be useful to have a midi exclusive data format chart for the es110. i notice you have it in some manuals like for the es8. Is there any way to get it for the es110? With the app I am using you send midi exclusive date but without the chart its really hard.


Nigel, I received the MIDI exclusive information that you requested from one of the ES110 programmers.

It's saved in Excel format, which I will eventually turn into a more attractive PDF to match the owner's manual appearance.
However, until then the Excel should contain the information you need. I'll send you a PM with a download link shortly.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 11/02/17 11:28 AM

Wow, that's service!
Posted By: musicman100

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 11/02/17 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by musicman100
James it would be useful to have a midi exclusive data format chart for the es110. i notice you have it in some manuals like for the es8. Is there any way to get it for the es110? With the app I am using you send midi exclusive date but without the chart its really hard.


Nigel, I received the MIDI exclusive information that you requested from one of the ES110 programmers.

It's saved in Excel format, which I will eventually turn into a more attractive PDF to match the owner's manual appearance.
However, until then the Excel should contain the information you need. I'll send you a PM with a download link shortly.

Kind regards,
James
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Thanks James it will be really useful.

thanks
Posted By: Osho

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 11/02/17 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Wow, that's service!

+1. This is partly the reason why I am leaning towards Novus NV10 over Avantgrand!!

Osho
Posted By: tomeeh

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 11/07/17 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Nerios

I was opting for an ES110 at first but decided to get an ES8 in the end, it took me a while to get used to this noise, but sometimes if you listen closely to it it's very noticeable compared to the Roland FP series which has close to no bounciness (and more quite in general).


Hi Nerios, do I understand you correctly:
are you saying, the ES8 has the same debouncing issue as ES110?
Posted By: Nerios

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 11/08/17 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by tomeeh
Originally Posted by Nerios

I was opting for an ES110 at first but decided to get an ES8 in the end, it took me a while to get used to this noise, but sometimes if you listen closely to it it's very noticeable compared to the Roland FP series which has close to no bounciness (and more quite in general).


Hi Nerios, do I understand you correctly:
are you saying, the ES8 has the same debouncing issue as ES110?


Yeah, that's correct.

I can't say now since I don't have an ES-110 to compare with, but back when I was deciding which Kawai to buy, I had the opportunity to try every recent ES model to the MP, CA and CN series.
Only those with the Grand Feel action (wooden keys) didn't have this "issue".

Actually you can find the same thing in most of the lower Yamaha and Casio DPs too, except the Roland FP series, which didn't have much noticeable bounciness.
Posted By: Mac2010

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 11/12/17 02:14 PM

To Kawai James,

I’m really interested in the es110 but really wonder why Kawai skip the LED and or lighting above the buttons for easier identification of sounds or program selected. I only ask this because how does a person with a hearing loss (not deaf), who relays on visual cues, be able to determine which sound is which?

2nd question (probably a stupid question), while it seems that this piano is geared for gigging, as I’ve read from previous posts, is it suitable to be played at home with no intention of performing?

Thanks
Posted By: pwl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 11/13/17 03:53 AM

Definitely suitable for playing at home! Two things that make it useful for gigging are the line outs and light weight.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 11/14/17 01:28 PM

Hello Mac2010,

Originally Posted by Mac2010
I’m really interested in the es110 but really wonder why Kawai skip the LED and or lighting above the buttons for easier identification of sounds or program selected. I only ask this because how does a person with a hearing loss (not deaf), who relays on visual cues, be able to determine which sound is which?


I believe that's a valid criticism.
There are multiple sounds assigned to individual buttons, as you note. Therefore the only way to check that the sound select is correct is either to count the number of button pushes, or to play a note to check the selected sound.

The Registrations function can negate this problem, as it allows preferred sounds and settings to be stored to one of 4 memories.

Originally Posted by Mac2010
2nd question (probably a stupid question), while it seems that this piano is geared for gigging, as I’ve read from previous posts, is it suitable to be played at home with no intention of performing?


Yes, absolutely. The instrument is ideally suited to home use, however it's lightweight, portable form factor means it's also popular for folks looking for an inexpensive gigging board with a good quality keyboard action.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: PianoManKris

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/02/18 10:00 AM

Hi guys,

First of all, I wish you and your families happy New Year and all the best!!!

I have one question regarding ES 110 pedals. I bought ES 110 back in Feb, and as an adult beginner just came to the level where I started using pedals. I have full kit, therefore all three pedals are available and connected correctly however I noticed only sustain (3rd / most right one) is working properly. First two don't produce any change in sound.
My understanding is that on acustic piano 1st pedal is producing soft sound, 2nd is sustaining only one note and 3rd is full sustaining/damper. I read somwhere that on digital piano first two could be re-programmed to trigger different funcion, i.e. to turn page on music sheet software when used with MIDI interface.

If this is correct does that means that first two pedels doesn't have any function? or I have issue with either configuration or hardware malfunction?

Please share your experience and my appologies if this question has already been discussed.

Thank you so much,
Kris
Posted By: clothearednincompo

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/02/18 05:37 PM

The soft pedal effect can be quite subtle.

The sostenuto pedal needs to be used in just the right way to have any effect:
- press down a bass key (or any key, but the bass keys sustain longer)
- with the key down press the sostenuto pedal down
- with the sostenuto pedal down release the key
- with the sostenuto pedal still down play some staccato notes on any other keys

The other notes should'nt be sustained and the first note caught by the pedal should still be sustained.
Posted By: EdmondRhapsody

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/02/18 08:36 PM

Very useful information. Thanks.
Posted By: PianoManKris

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/03/18 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
The soft pedal effect can be quite subtle.

The sostenuto pedal needs to be used in just the right way to have any effect:
- press down a bass key (or any key, but the bass keys sustain longer)
- with the key down press the sostenuto pedal down
- with the sostenuto pedal down release the key
- with the sostenuto pedal still down play some staccato notes on any other keys

The other notes should'nt be sustained and the first note caught by the pedal should still be sustained.


Thank you so much clothearednincompo!
This is very useful info. Will try it out when I'm back from vacation.

Thanks,
Kris
Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/06/18 02:42 PM

On the iOS App Store "Virtual Technician" page, a customer commented this app works with the ES110, but the ES110 is not listed as a "supported model".

Can anyone confirm it works? And does it work via BT?

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/virtual-technician/id948579667?mt=8
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/06/18 11:15 PM

Steve.L, I believe the ES110 does indeed support the Virtual Technician app, and should be able to connect via Bluetooth.

A relatively small number of early ES110 boards may need to have their software updated in order to fully support the app. If an ES110 customer finds that their instrument does not function correctly with the Virtual Technician app, they should contact their Kawai dealer/distributor for assistance.

I will look into having the compatibility list on the App Store page updated.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/07/18 12:25 AM

Thanks, James. Does ES110 firmware have to be updated by Kawai service, since there’s no USB port?
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/07/18 12:35 AM

Hello Steve,

The update procedure is more complicated, yes. It requires sending an update file to the ES110 via MIDI cables using sequencer software, so it's probably best handled by a technician knowledgeable of the procedure.

However, as I mentioned above, the vast majority of ES110s should already be using the latest software, so the update will probably be unnecessary in most cases.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Steve.L

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/07/18 12:57 PM

Would be nice if the Virtual Technician app could handle firmware updates, for the Kawai models that work with it. Just a thought.
Posted By: Hotstrings

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/07/18 05:11 PM

Great expectations. I have followed the es110 discussions for over 6 months. Listening to dozens of comments from 1/32differences in spaces between keys, no usb, no led display, F 4 key too loud, and on and on. It’s a simple good quality entry level piano that Kawai focused on two things : action feel and it sounds so close to an acoustic. It is a perfect piano for those two qualities.

I don’t remember any of the information emphasizing anything else: especially gigging. Even though I bought every thing I need to be able to take it somewhere, I have no false hopes that it is up to the challenges of the stage. Seasoned players may notice the many idiosyncrasies mentioned throughout this thread, but hopefully they would want one of the upper level Kawai’s or equivalent. My teacher came to my house ( he has a 9foot concert grand Kawai)and played my lowly es110 and was quite surprised of the feel and sound. So for me , until I become fairly proficient, the Kawai ES110 is perfect. I researched and tested many for nearly a year.
Nice to have the blue tooth w garage band and virtual technician and extra sounds, but none of that matters if you are not an advanced player. Every time I fool around w all that technology I realize I ain’t practicing. Use a cover that is made of material that spews no dust. Keep it covered .
Use a good quality artist brush that will NOT lose a bristle and lightly brush it off before covering.
Also suggest a small hand held Vacumn cleaner that is empty and clean. Vacumn between those spaces every two weeks. Been doing this for a year and so far perfect. Dust is your biggest enemy along w humidity.
Posted By: Charles Cohen

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/07/18 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Hotstrings

. . . Every time I fool around w all that technology I realize I ain’t practicing.


Wisdom, indeed! (There's no <g> after that -- it's a hard-won lesson, for me.)
Posted By: huaidongxi

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/08/18 09:25 PM

Hotstrings, thank you for confirming my hypothesis, that some players who need to focus their time on music and technique can be diverted into the other stuff with digital pianos, and that simply won't happen with an acoustic piano. have postponed even shopping for a portable practice keyboard because finding them to test play is time consuming, and won't be in a situation to need one until late this year.
Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/24/18 10:13 PM

I haven't been following this thread recently, so please excuse me if these comments have already been covered. I had an ES110 for several months and would have kept it except for a few things.

First off, IMO the sound is great and much more natural than the similar priced competitors. And i didn't mind the minor key spacing issues.

To have full 88 note sampling a company probably needs to cut corners somewhere, and that's understandable. But more flexible reverb options to give added ambience are pretty necessary in a digital piano without sympathetic resonance IMO. The Kawai should have not just three reverb choices buy degrees within those choices to add more or less (usually more) reverb. Even the least expensive Yamaha P45 offers a more flexible reverb, although the piano sound itself is nowhere near as good. That's my biggest quibble.

Other things: Being able to save settings is great, but having a few buttons for individual sounds would be nice at this price point. The string attack is slow therefore it doesn't work well when layered with piano IMO, which is a disappointment. Rather than including a high quality half damper pedal I'd rather see a few more features or a lower price. I'd also rather see standard MIDI plus USB rather than bluetooth. Maybe I'm alone in wishing for that.

But my biggest wish list for the next ES is definitely for a more flexible reverb. Not meaning to be complaining here, i'm just hoping a firmware update or the next version can make a great digital piano even better.
Posted By: Miko Piano

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/25/18 12:48 PM

es 110 is very bad ...

Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/26/18 12:20 AM

Miko Piano,

I'm afraid I don't know what is going on in that video, however I can only assume there is some kind of defect with your instrument.

Please contact your Kawai dealer and/or local distributor for assistance.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Zaphod

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/26/18 02:11 AM

Miko Piano - Nice bit of Stockhausen there, I enjoyed that laugh
Posted By: hbs60

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/27/18 10:02 AM

Greetings!
Any recommendations as to a portable battery power source? I’m a classical acoustic pianist and this would be my first digital piano, And I know nothing about electronic issues. I just want to take my music outdoors but need to figure out how to power the DP without a power outlet nearby, without frying my instrument. Preferably whatever device I use should be able to power up other devices at the same time, like my iPad (I use ForScore to read music) and/or my cell phone. Speaking of power outlets, if there is one available but too far for the DPs power cord, any considerations when choosing an extension cord? There are those orange colored cords for outdoor tools like weeds hackers, etc but I don’t know what’s safe to use. Thanks for any guidance or suggestions!
Posted By: Groove On

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/27/18 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by hbs60
Greetings! Any recommendations as to a portable battery power source?

Posted By: hbs60

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/27/18 07:23 PM

Thanks. If I understand correctly, this can only power one device at a time, are there any that can simultaneously power 2 or more devices?
Thanks!
Posted By: gwing

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/28/18 08:38 AM

Yes, there are lots of inverters of different power available, I have a small cheap 300W one but you can get much bigger ones if you have a specialist need and are happy with the increasing price and bulk as they get bigger. You can plug as many devices in as you like provided the total power consumption of those devices does not exceed the power output of your inverter.

( Inverters are what the things that convert battery DC power to mains type AC power are called, there are also plenty of products that bundle up a battery and an inverter in a box and sell it as a 'powerbank' or similar name)
Posted By: Deus_Ex_Machina

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/28/18 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by hbs60
Greetings!
Any recommendations as to a portable battery power source?


Which digital piano are you planning on using?
Internally all of them work with DC. If the power brick is external, you could power the piano directly from a battery pack.
Going through an DC-AC-converter so you can plug it into a "normal" power outlet would be highly inefficient.
Posted By: gwing

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/28/18 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Deus_Ex_Machina
Originally Posted by hbs60
Greetings!
Any recommendations as to a portable battery power source?


Which digital piano are you planning on using?
Internally all of them work with DC. If the power brick is external, you could power the piano directly from a battery pack.
Going through an DC-AC-converter so you can plug it into a "normal" power outlet would be highly inefficient.


Yes, that is indeed true, powering your DP directly from a battery is going to be more efficient than going through an AC stage.

However there are disadvantages. You need to find a battery of the correct voltage for your piano, which is easy if you have a 12V DP but harder for other voltages. And when you change your piano you might need to throw it away and find another battery of a different voltage . And it won't power multiple devices, you'll need separate battery supplies for each voltage your devices need. And you won't be able to get an essentially infinite supply on holiday just by plugging it into your car cigar lighter, and you probably won't have the option to easily use small portable or large high capacity batteries according to your needs. So yes you might need a battery of twice the size when using an inverter (unless you just use a car socket) but it is a much more flexible and versatile solution.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 03/28/18 06:02 PM

FYI, the power supply for the ES-110 is 12v, 1500 mAmp, tip positive.
Posted By: Nerd

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/20/18 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Steve,

The update procedure is more complicated, yes. It requires sending an update file to the ES110 via MIDI cables using sequencer software, so it's probably best handled by a technician knowledgeable of the procedure.

However, as I mentioned above, the vast majority of ES110s should already be using the latest software, so the update will probably be unnecessary in most cases.

Kind regards,
James
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Hi, I'm not able to take my keyboard to a dealer because I live really far away from the nearest one. Would you be able to tell me where I'd find the firmware files and procedures I'd need to follow? I have a MIDI sequencer installed but I'm not quite sure how it would help in updating firmware.

Thanks for your help,

-Thomas
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 07/20/18 04:53 AM

Hello Thomas,

I believe there has only been one update to the ES110 firmware, which was quite a while ago, and only adds support for the Virtual Technician app.

Assuming you purchased your ES110 in the last 12 months or so, it's likely that you're already using the latest available firmware.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/26/19 09:07 PM

Hello all,

I'm hoping somebody might still be lurking around who could shed some light on the ES110 here.

I'm looking for my very first piano. I only started learning 3-4 months ago, and at the moment I am using a Yamaha DGX-640 which is not mine. It's very nice, although at first at was surprised by the noise the keys make when pressed — if I understand correctly, this is "bounce back" and normal on a digital piano.

Anyway, it's unlikely I'll be able to go and try a bunch of pianos, but based on reviews etc., I think the ES110 sounds right for me: I'm looking for a DP that is as close as possible to an acoustic piano and is not too heavy. I won't be using any of the frills, BUT…

Currently, I am making a fair amount of recordings onto USB with the DGX-640, to listen to my playing, to appraise it critically and to keep track of my progress. I understand there is no USB port on the ES110, but is there any way that I can still record from it? How would I go about doing that?

Also, because I travel around a lot, I probably would have to settle for an X stand. In your experience, does this affect the sound quality greatly, or just a little?

Thanks a lot!
Posted By: Michael H

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/26/19 09:39 PM

Hi RosemaryGirl,

I have the ES110 and it's a great digital piano. it also weighs about half of that Yamaha you're using. Some people complain about the keys being noisy, but others like myself think they're fine. it sounds great and feels great. There are probably iPad apps that will allow you to record then play back, and I know that there are Mac and PC apps that will do that. You'd need to look into that. Some of the apps are probably very inexpensive or free. I think GarageBand will do that, not sure.


You'd need a MIDI to USB adapter to hook up to a PC but the ES110 has Bluetooth so you could wirelessly connect to many newer iPads or Macs. There's a learning curve to all this, but not a huge one. And an X stand, as long as you can set it to a good height for yourself should be fine. I hope this helps. smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/26/19 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Hello all,

I'm hoping somebody might still be lurking around who could shed some light on the ES110 here.

I'm looking for my very first piano. I only started learning 3-4 months ago, and at the moment I am using a Yamaha DGX-640 which is not mine. It's very nice, although at first at was surprised by the noise the keys make when pressed — if I understand correctly, this is "bounce back" and normal on a digital piano.

Anyway, it's unlikely I'll be able to go and try a bunch of pianos, but based on reviews etc., I think the ES110 sounds right for me: I'm looking for a DP that is as close as possible to an acoustic piano and is not too heavy. I won't be using any of the frills, BUT…

We have both an Roland FP30 in DC (which I use). and an ES110 in Amsterdam (which my wife uses). I've compared them, but not side-by-side. IMO, the FP30 action feels more realistic and better than that of the ES110, although the sound of the ES110 is better than the FP30. They both are at the same price point here in the US.

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Currently, I am making a fair amount of recordings onto USB with the DGX-640, to listen to my playing, to appraise it critically and to keep track of my progress. I understand there is no USB port on the ES110, but is there any way that I can still record from it? How would I go about doing that?

Don't recall how to record from ES110, but the manual is here though. FP30 has a USB port and you can record MIDI files to USB thumb drive.

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Also, because I travel around a lot, I probably would have to settle for an X stand. In your experience, does this affect the sound quality greatly, or just a little?

Thanks a lot!

In DC, I use a furniture stand for the FP30, but in Amsterdam we are using a Z-stand for the ES110. I compared an X-stand and Z-stand and when playing ff chords with both hands, the X-stand bounces and moves, but the Z-stand is more stable feeling. Don't know how either affect sound quality, but I can't imagine they would much, since they don't cover the speakers.
Posted By: pwl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/26/19 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Also, because I travel around a lot, I probably would have to settle for an X stand. In your experience, does this affect the sound quality greatly, or just a little?

I use a "double X" stand with the ES110 sometimes, and it seems to work fine. I DO recommend a "double X" stand (with two braces running in each direction) over the common single-brace stand.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/19 10:38 AM

Thanks for your answers!

I have a MacBook Pro and an iPhone, but no iPad — hopefully, something can be sorted out without one.

A Z stand does look more sturdy, and perhaps the double X stand too, but I'm just concerned about how heavy and bulky it gets when folded to be transported. I move around a lot and it needs to fit, with all other suitcases, in the back of our Volvo estate. To give you an idea, I'm leaving Germany in two months, then spending ten days near Amsterdam (hello to your ES110-playing wife, Tyrone Slothrop :)), then a week near Paris, then a week in the Pyrennees, then a week in the centre of France, then I don't know how long in the UK. Essentially, I will have to sacrifice a lot of clothing to owning a piano I can travel around with, so the bulk and weight of the whole unit will be very important.

Can a Z-stand actually fold flat at all?

Thanks!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/19 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
I move around a lot and it needs to fit, with all other suitcases, in the back of our Volvo estate. To give you an idea, I'm leaving Germany in two months, then spending ten days near Amsterdam (hello to your ES110-playing wife, Tyrone Slothrop :)), then a week near Paris, then a week in the Pyrennees, then a week in the centre of France, then I don't know how long in the UK. Essentially, I will have to sacrifice a lot of clothing to owning a piano I can travel around with, so the bulk and weight of the whole unit will be very important.

That's a lot of travel. Perhaps you should be looking at something even more portable like a Casio PX-S3000 which just was awarded "Best of Show" at the NAMM Trade Show that just ended?

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Can a Z-stand actually fold flat at all?

Thanks!

Ours arrived flat and can fold flat. But when buying, make sure you check the description and customer reviews on amazon.co.uk and amazon.com to make sure the one you are ordering can as well.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/19 08:07 PM

Thanks, Tyrone Slothrop!

The Casio PX-S3000 looks good, but I would have to wait for it, read a bunch more reviews that haven't been written yet (it took a while reading on the ES110), and more importantly, if I understand well, it's quite a lot more money… I'm hoping the ES110 will satisfy me.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/19 09:10 PM

Ok, now I've read a little about the Casio PX-S1000, I don't know what to do anymore… And I thought I was all set to buy the ES110… Don't know what to do… tired
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/19 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
if I understand well, it's quite a lot more money…

I just checked and in the US, and with delivery costs included, the price of the ES110 is $726.00 USD and the price of the PX-S3000 is $799.99 USD, a difference of about 10%. What is the price for the PX-S3000 in Europe, compared to the ES110? Is it a much bigger price difference than this?

EDIT: For reference, in the US, the price of the PX-S1000 is $599.99 USD, or 17% cheaper than the ES110.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/19 09:24 PM

I've seen the PX-S3000 priced at £795 at Andertons Music website in the UK...that's roughly about $1000.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/19 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by jamiecw
I've seen the PX-S3000 priced at £795 at Andertons Music website in the UK...that's roughly about $1000.

Wow... I wonder how Casio prices these. That seems so high compared to the ES110 when in the US, it's only 10%.
Posted By: spanishbuddha

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/27/19 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Ok, now I've read a little about the Casio PX-S1000, I don't know what to do anymore… And I thought I was all set to buy the ES110… Don't know what to do… tired

The S1000 sounds good so far, on paper and NAMM reviews. But it’s is unlikely to be available for a couple of months. Can you wait? Since you seem to be basing your purchase on reviews and not personal testing in stores, it may be even longer until more independent reviews are available for the S1000. Can you wait? You could do a paper exercise now of side by side comparison of price, features, functions, specs in two columns, and add a third column of things you want, really want and will use. Might help, or not!
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/28/19 09:54 AM

Thanks for your advice.

I noticed that on the UK website jamiecw mentions, they will have the Casios in store on Feb 2, which is quite soon… Yeah, as I mention on the Privia thread, I actually can use my current Yamaha DGX-640 (which is not mine) until the end of March, so it's probably worth waiting until then… Who knows, I might pass a shop on my travels where I can try the ES110 AND the Casios, with any luck.

I still don't understand how the US and UK prices can vary so considerably though.
Posted By: Jasper E.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/28/19 03:00 PM

Hi RosemaryGirl,

with respect to the noise of the keys: it can be an issue
- when playing the piano with a very low volume. However that is pretty unrealistic... if you would like an experience close to an acoustic, you want to keep the volume around 60-80% typically.
- when playing with headphones and others sleeping in the very same room or with zero sound insulation in the walls.

With respect to recording:
MIDI transfer signals when is which key pressed (and some volume/velocity data as well) and released. Then a software piano (VST) can reproduce the sound (or something similar if you dont use VST for just playing). Bluetooth connection transfers MIDI data only as well as far as I know.
For a real audio recording you might want to connect the line out of ES110 into the line in of the recording device (most likely a PC, could work with good old tapes as well etc.)
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/28/19 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Thanks for your advice.

I noticed that on the UK website jamiecw mentions, they will have the Casios in store on Feb 2, which is quite soon…


RG - that is what Andertons Music are saying however in reality what they do is put up a date and keep pushing it back if stock is not received...so unless Casio has the new PX-S series ready to go this date is likely to be pushed and pushed and before you know it Spring is upon us and the Casios are nowhere to be seen. I know this cause I experienced this with them when I was waiting for the SL73 to come in...
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/28/19 04:10 PM

Ah, I see…

Well, thanks for the info, jamiecw, and also to Jasper E. for all those details on recording especially. If I decide for an ES110, I'll come back here to share my news! If I wait until March for the Privia PX-S1000 or PX-S3000 (most likely), I might not pollute this Kawai thread any longer and share my news somewhere else! laugh
Posted By: spanishbuddha

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 01/29/19 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Ah, I see…

Well, thanks for the info, jamiecw, and also to Jasper E. for all those details on recording especially. If I decide for an ES110, I'll come back here to share my news! If I wait until March for the Privia PX-S1000 or PX-S3000 (most likely), I might not pollute this Kawai thread any longer and share my news somewhere else! laugh

UK store dates for the Casio’s.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/19/19 08:56 PM

Still pondering whether to buy one of these…

Do any of you use your ES110 with an iPad much? Do you find you get a lot out of the Bluetooth functionality?

Thanks!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/19/19 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Still pondering whether to buy one of these…

Do any of you use your ES110 with an iPad much? Do you find you get a lot out of the Bluetooth functionality?

Thanks!

I bought my wife an ES110 and we could absolutely not get Bluetooth working, even with an iPad that worked immediately on my FP30. Wife tried to contact Kawai but due to lack of responsiveness, we gave up. It's actually fine. She didn't need Bluetooth (neither did I), it was just something she wanted to check with the app.
Posted By: Hotstrings

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 12:24 AM

Yes I use my I pad w Garage band . Bluetooth works great BUT each app has to have their own blue tooth activation. So download ( I learned this on this forum)Ble Midi from App Store . It when activated, automatically turns on and allows you to use all apps on I pad that are Bluetooth capable.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Hotstrings
Yes I use my I pad w Garage band . Bluetooth works great BUT each app has to have their own blue tooth activation. So download ( I learned this on this forum)Ble Midi from App Store . It when activated, automatically turns on and allows you to use all apps on I pad that are Bluetooth capable.

Interesting. But why do you supposed the Roland app works with my FP30 but the Kawai app doesn't on the same device with the ES110? Are you saying that because I had the Roland app activated first, that this prevented the Kawai app from activating, but that if I install Ble Midi on that iPad, that solves this problem and my iPad will no longer only connect to the FP30, but it will then be able to connect to the ES110 too?
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Hotstrings
Yes I use my I pad w Garage band . Bluetooth works great BUT each app has to have their own blue tooth activation. So download ( I learned this on this forum)Ble Midi from App Store . It when activated, automatically turns on and allows you to use all apps on I pad that are Bluetooth capable.

Interesting. But why do you supposed the Roland app works with my FP30 but the Kawai app doesn't on the same device with the ES110? Are you saying that because I had the Roland app activated first, that this prevented the Kawai app from activating, but that if I install Ble Midi on that iPad, that solves this problem and my iPad will no longer only connect to the FP30, but it will then be able to connect to the ES110 too?


You should be able to connect your ipad to multiple Bluetooth BLE devices. There are some limits and restrictions enforced by the operating system (e.g. iOS does not allow connections to multiple output audio devices or to multiple smartwatches), but you should have no issue (apart from latency) connecting to several MIDI devices. An app like Korg's BLE MIDI (or midimittr, BlueSee or MIDI Wrench) will scan for and list all available BLE devices and then allow you to connect the iOS device to them. This is useful because some apps are not prepared to scan for BT BLE devices and therefore cannot initiate a MIDI connection. That may be the limitation you are experiencing with the Kawai VT app. By the way, I have connected my CA98 and a portable BT keyboard (as a controller) simultaneously to an iPad. You can also connect one MIDI device to multiple apps at the same time (also have a look at apps like midimittr, midiflow or audiobus if you need to re-route the MIDI connections if needed, but I believe that is not your use case).
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 05:37 AM

Hello Tyrone,

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I bought my wife an ES110 and we could absolutely not get Bluetooth working, even with an iPad that worked immediately on my FP30.


May I ask which apps you tried? Did you follow the Bluetooth MIDI connection help, here?

A common mistake that customers often make is to connect a Bluetooth MIDI instrument via the iOS "Settings" applet. The correct method is to use the connection settings in the music app itself. Some older apps that do not support Bluetooth MIDI out of the box can usually be "forced" to connect by first using a BLE-supporting app, connecting, then switching to the older app. Generally speaking though, the ES110's Bluetooth MIDI functionality should work in the same way as the FP-30's.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Wife tried to contact Kawai but due to lack of responsiveness, we gave up.


May I ask who you contacted (and how)?

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Tyrone,

May I ask who you contacted (and how)?

Kind regards,
James
x

I will check with my wife who did the contacting. I believe it was Kawai in UK. (Purchase of the ES110 was from a German vendor, as I recall, and then shipped to our flat in the Netherlands. So with two countries involved, we weren't sure who to talk with so I believe my wife went with the UK office.)
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 10:03 AM

Thanks all!

I'm very interested in knowing whether that Bluetooth business is a non-issue, because I think I would definitely want to use it.

Now, I had the ES110 in my basket once again… And once again, I couldn't click "order"! The voice of reason has spoken: my husband said he'd rather go all over the countryside looking for shops where I can try the ES110 and FP-30 than have me buy one blind. Then I realised there is indeed a shop 30 min away where I can try them both… I think I was just scared of speaking German on the phone, but so glad I did. grin So off, I go.

Tyrone, if you don't mind me asking: what reasons led you to prefer the Roland FP-30, and what reasons led your wife to prefer the ES110? Thanks.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 10:08 AM

Going back on the thread, I see you've already answered those questions, Tyrone! Sorry about that.
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
.... my husband said he'd rather go all over the countryside looking for shops where I can try the ES110 and FP-30 than have me buy one blind.


+1
Good thinking, you would not buy a car blind or a house (granted different costs) but the point is you'd wanna see them before hand...same principal with a piano (digital or acoustic for that matter).

Please let us know how you get on and why you chose x over y etc..it'll be good to have more of the 'why I bought this' threads to outweigh the many 'help me chose' threads.. smile
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 10:48 AM

Interestingly enough, my husband is that dude who bought a car blind a few years ago, though laugh

Will let you know how I get on.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/20/19 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Interestingly enough, my husband is that dude who bought a car blind a few years ago, though laugh

That's probably because you didn't tell him you'd go all over the countryside looking for cars for him to try. So who loves who more now? wink

GL with the pianos!
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/19 09:32 AM

Ha ha! laugh

Well, actually, the first car he bought blind was purchased long before I met him. His mother told me about it in a "tales of your husband's foolishness" kind of conversation… The second one (yes, there were two) I completely agreed for him to buy blind as we were living in Eastern Africa and the only decent, affordable cars one could get were imports from Japan that you researched yourself. So, to anyone who feels impatient waiting for their grand piano to be delivered, I say, imagine waiting 2-3 months to be able to drive around anywhere in a country that also doesn't have trains! eek
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/19 10:02 AM

Well, I've been on my "hands-on window-shopping spree" — we need to coin a phrase for when you look at it, you touch it (a lot), but you don't buy it.

I had decided to sleep on whatever decision I made, as the shop is nearby.

Firstly, to all the people who say "you should try pianos for yourself": you're 100% right. I absolutely thought the ES110 would be the DP for me, and nearly bought it blind, and it fell off my list almost instantly, I'm sorry to report.

Here is what I tried:

- ES110: Let's start with the positives. I really, really liked the sound of it. It was sweet and pleasant to the ear. It does sound great. But… I absolutely could not get over how irregular the spacing between the keys was. I mean, there was a massive, gigantic gap staring at me from somewhere near C3 that I could not get my eyes away from. I know it's possible the one I would have bought might not have had such a problem, but I'm not playing roulette with my purchase. Also, I can't even remember the feel of it because I was so drawn to considering all the gaps that looked wrong. All I could do was stare straight into the mechanism underneath. My husband vetoed it straight away because of how cheaply made it looked. It's a shame because it does sound great. I guess if I ever upgrade or look for a grand piano in my old age, I'll consider getting a Kawai then, but not this time around.

- Casio: I tried briefly a variety of them and didn't particularly like the action or the feel of the keys on my skin. It's likely that feel would be the same on the new Privia, and I've decided not to wait for that one anyway.

- Yamaha: I tried the DGX-660 just to see what the newer version of the DGX-640 I'm currently playing is like. It feels an awful lot better, and it's really quite nice. But it would never be an option for me (too heavy and bulky). I also tried the P-125 and I really liked it. I thought it felt good, sounded quite good, and if I got it as a present I'd be most happy to keep it for a long while, I'm sure.

But then the piano I had dismissed from the off, for some reason, actually turned out to be my favourite:
- Roland FP-30: now, it felt so good under my fingers, it was like chocolate velvet cake… I really liked its action, how silent it is, the feel of the keys on my digits… The sound is also very good, although I think I preferred the sound of the ES110. But I can get used to the FP-30's sound, whereas I don't think I could ever get used to the irregularity of the key spacing on the ES110. And the FP-30 felt so good, I actually want to go back and get it now so I can start playing on it rather than wait until I have to give the DGX-640 back to my friend in a month's time. I don't mind that it's a little heavier, even. And for what I want to do with it (namely, practise on a piano that feels like an acoustic enough and on which I can record my playing regularly to critique it), it's more convenient to have a USB port than an out-line for gigging I would most likely never use.

So, there you have it. Try them in the shop first, kids! The grown-ups are sometimes right!

I'll be off to share my impressions of my new purchase in a Roland FP-30 thread at some point, I'm sure.

Happy playing to all, and thanks again for your advice!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/19 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
But then the piano I had dismissed from the off, for some reason, actually turned out to be my favourite:
- Roland FP-30: now, it felt so good under my fingers, it was like chocolate velvet cake… I really liked its action, how silent it is, the feel of the keys on my digits… The sound is also very good, although I think I preferred the sound of the ES110. But I can get used to the FP-30's sound, whereas I don't think I could ever get used to the irregularity of the key spacing on the ES110. And the FP-30 felt so good, I actually want to go back and get it now so I can start playing on it rather than wait until I have to give the DGX-640 back to my friend in a month's time. I don't mind that it's a little heavier, even. And for what I want to do with it (namely, practise on a piano that feels like an acoustic enough and on which I can record my playing regularly to critique it), it's more convenient to have a USB port than an out-line for gigging I would most likely never use.

Hey! I have an FP30. I feel like I just unexpectedly won the lottery! wink
Posted By: jamiecw

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/19 10:32 AM

Good choice and congrats - I know exactly what you mean about the FP30 just something so right about that piano action that makes it far better than anything comparatively priced.

PS on the sound if you really can’t get accustomed to it, a VST like Pianoteq is probably your next best friend.
Posted By: Kawai James

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/19 10:53 AM

Hello RosemaryGirl, congrats on your piano!

Regarding your feedback of the ES110, may I ask where you're based the name of the dealer that you visited, please?
(please feel free to send this information via a private message if you would prefer to do so)

It could be that the ES110 instrument out on display is an earlier production model, as I recall some reports of inconsistent key spacing when the instrument was first released. The construction method has since been improved, reducing the likelihood of these key spacing inconsistencies on new instruments.

Kind regards,
James
x
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/19 02:51 PM

Oh dear, I'm going to have to tell on them! Ooh la la! I don't want to cause trouble! laugh

In fairness, it did make me think, "if that's the DP to try out, what are the ones in the boxes like?" So yeah, maybe they put the wrong one out…

They look to me like they specialise in guitars. It was a guitarist's heaven. Anyway, I'm about to send you a PM, Kawai James.
Posted By: RodrigoPon

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/19 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello RosemaryGirl, congrats on your piano!

Regarding your feedback of the ES110, may I ask where you're based the name of the dealer that you visited, please?
(please feel free to send this information via a private message if you would prefer to do so)

It could be that the ES110 instrument out on display is an earlier production model, as I recall some reports of inconsistent key spacing when the instrument was first released. The construction method has since been improved, reducing the likelihood of these key spacing inconsistencies on new instruments.

Kind regards,
James
x


I can confirm this. My ES110 replacement unit has the same clicking noise issues as my first one, but the uneven key spacing was fixed. My first unit had very uneven keys while in my new one they're perfectly aligned. Doesn't affect playability at all anyway, just looks a lot neater.
Posted By: JoeT

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/21/19 07:51 PM

My P-515 has slightly uneven key spacing as well. It doesn't bother me too much. My priority is the most likable tone, because the wrong one gets much more on my nerves (as I found out with Pianoteq the hard way) than looking at a few gaps between E and F.

Also the neat even ES100 keyscape became a Manhattan skyline after wearing in within few months of use. So doesn't matter too much how an action looks new.
Posted By: RosemaryGirl

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano - 02/23/19 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by JoeT
My P-515 has slightly uneven key spacing as well. It doesn't bother me too much. My priority is the most likable tone, because the wrong one gets much more on my nerves (as I found out with Pianoteq the hard way) than looking at a few gaps between E and F.

Also the neat even ES100 keyscape became a Manhattan skyline after wearing in within few months of use. So doesn't matter too much how an action looks new.


Ah, that's very interesting to know.

In fairness, I don't think the gaps were the only reasons why I made my choice, but yes, it's true that tone is hugely important! So, it's great that Kawai and others make such an effort to offer reasonably-priced DPs that sound really very good.
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