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Posted By: guitar1989 ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/06/15 12:57 PM
Hi guys,
This is my first time posting...
Anyway, I am planning on getting my first piano. I can't get a grand piano, so I have decided that the next best thing would be a digital piano as I want the real piano feel.
I have been looking at a Roland EP77 and I was wondering even though its Roland, is it good?
Apparently Casio is for beginners and are 'toys'
And Yamaha is quite decent and is in the midde price range.
Are there are any other brands that I should be looking at like Kawai etc.?
Thanks
Posted By: Dave Horne Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/06/15 01:15 PM
Are you involving your teacher or mentor in your buying process?

All things considered, you get what you pay for. A $400 Yamaha would probably be considered a toy by those who play for a living, so would a $400 Roland or a $400 Casio.

My advice, bring along someone who plays well and have that individual test drive the keyboards you're interested in.

Also, you're not going to get a 'real piano feel' from any digital piano though some are better than others.

The pianos you should consider are out of your price range and out of your playing range.

Get a teacher if you already don't have one and spend some time learning the basics.

My two cents.

Posted By: Frédéric L Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/06/15 01:21 PM
I don't think Casio is for beginners and are 'toys'... OK, they make toys (CTK models), but also decent digital pianos (Privia PX-xxx models or Celviano AP-xxx). They even recently try to get into high-end models with a partnership with Bechstein.

I don't know the EP77, it seems quite old. Have you seen such a model second hand ?

You can find digital pianos from Casio, Roland, Yamaha, Kawai, and a few from Korg. The best thing to do is to test some in a shop.

One of the cheapest is the Yamaha P45. (430€)
Posted By: guitar1989 Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/06/15 01:22 PM
Thanks for the advice!
I don't have a piano teacher although my music teacher told me that it would be better to get a MIDI keyboad if I was planning on putting it into the computer. Although I don't think it would have weighted keys.
If I were to go to a piano store do you think they'd be able to help with digital pianos?
Posted By: Frédéric L Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/06/15 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by guitar1989
Thanks for the advice!
I don't have a piano teacher although my music teacher told me that it would be better to get a MIDI keyboad if I was planning on putting it into the computer. Although I don't think it would have weighted keys.
If I were to go to a piano store do you think they'd be able to help with digital pianos?


Many piano stores sell also digital pianos. About MIDI, I know no digital piano without a computer connectivity (MIDI or USB-to-host : both are more or less equivalent... with MIDI you just need a MIDI-to-USB interface).

Beware, with a MIDI or USB connectivity, the exchanged data contains no sound (only key numbers and nuances)... If you just want to record yourself to share on SoundCloud, the LINE-OUT plug would be better. If you want to use the computer as a synthesizer (with specific software), then you will need a MIDI or USB link.
Posted By: guitar1989 Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/06/15 01:48 PM
Thank you so much. That really helped. smile
Posted By: Hendrik42 Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/06/15 07:20 PM
EP 77 only has 76 keys, no? You sure can start with this, but if you already know that you'll play/learn piano for a few years, you should go for 88 keys.

Whats your price range? And are you looking for a slap piano / stage piano?

Maybe browse a online shop, like Thomann to see whats available? Brands are Yamaha, Kawai, Casio, Roland, Korg etc.

I think in the 400 EUR price range, there is only the already mentioned Yamaha P 45 and Casio. At 600 EUR, there is the Kawai ES100 and so on. You pay more, you get more, but a 400 EUR digital piano will be ok for the first few years, depending on how fast you progress.
Posted By: krauster Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/08/15 03:18 AM
Can Casio Privia keyboards make that great iconic Yamaha DX7 sound from the 80's?
Posted By: Scott Hamlin Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/08/15 04:39 AM
Originally Posted by krauster
Can Casio Privia keyboards make that great iconic Yamaha DX7 sound from the 80's?


You MUST be referring to the DX Electric Piano. smile Yes there are several variations on the Privias. It actually sounds pretty nice when you layer it with an acoustic piano.. that trick is called the "LA piano" - Chicago (Peter Cetera/David Foster) used that a lot. "Against All Odds", Heart's "Alone".. I could go on for a while.

Anyway, they are usually labeled Digital Electric Piano on the Privias.
Posted By: guitar1989 Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/08/15 08:24 AM
What abou the Yamaha Clavinovas?
Posted By: BusyWait Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/08/15 11:20 AM
The Roland ep 77 looks quite old. It might suit your needs as a beginner on a budget, but modern instruments benefit from the march of technology. For example, I don't think that the sustain pedal of the ep 77 would support "half damping", the sustain is either "on" or "off". The latest Roland instruments have "continuous damping" control from the sustain pedal, and more sophisticated sound generation.

My impression of the big brands is that Casio offer more value at the lower price points. Having said that, I bought a Roland RP-401R last year which I think was great value for a little more money! I never got the chance to try the Casios, but I wanted to try AP450 and AP650 - in the end I compared the Roland to some Yamaha and Kawai models, and I liked it a lot (and it's big feature list), so I bought it!

Personally I'd be looking at Casio Celviano (if you want a cabinet) or Casio Privia (if you want something more portable). The connections to a computer depend on the check the feature list if this is important to you - look for "USB to host" or MIDI.
Posted By: Charles Cohen Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/08/15 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Hendrik42
. . .
Whats your price range? And are you looking for a slap piano / stage piano?


Two important questions, not yet answered.

Posted By: bill5 Re: ROLAND vs CASIO vs YAMAHA - 09/09/15 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by guitar1989

I have been looking at a Roland EP77 and I was wondering even though its Roland, is it good?
?? "Even though" implies you don't think Rolands are any good.

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Apparently Casio is for beginners and are 'toys'
That stopped being true a long time ago.

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And Yamaha is quite decent and is in the midde price range.
This (like many things) varies.....yes they do have "mid-range" DPs, but so do various other brands.

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Are there are any other brands that I should be looking at like Kawai etc.?
Kawai and Korg are the other 2 that come to mind...there are some smaller companies I hear put out a good product but you have to be careful (sorry don't have names offhand; I'll post if I find).

As someone else said, this all depends on specifics of your budget, what other features are/aren't important to you, etc.

PS my experience with piano stores is they only have more top-end DPs, if that.
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