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Posted By: Marko in Boston KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 12:05 AM


Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 01:03 AM
James…

Will the kawaimp.com site be updated to include the new MP7, or does the 7 get its own website?

What an awesomely beautiful board. What's not to like? Think I'll go take a look at your manual!

Congratulations, James. Two stunning new additions to the Kawai stage piano line (MP7/MP11)!

Play On!
H.K.
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 01:12 AM
MP7 Piano Sounds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyYQfT7MXI8&list=UUyDmXbpoOYrUkdonQe8NBqw

MP7 Electric Piano Sounds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a69fG4BtVek&list=UUyDmXbpoOYrUkdonQe8NBqw

MP7 Piano Virtual Tonewheel Sounds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOgzqGz0x50&list=UUyDmXbpoOYrUkdonQe8NBqw
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 01:15 AM
What is the price point? I am interested in US.
Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 01:50 AM
What's the weight? Also how long will it take to get to Australia?
Posted By: pwl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 01:52 AM
Weight is shown as 46 pounds.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 02:54 AM
Originally Posted by HisKidd
Will the kawaimp.com site be updated to include the new MP7, or does the 7 get its own website?


Yes, the MP7 content will be added to www.kawaimp.com/mp7 (currently just a teaser page), then a model selection/overview will be added to the top page at www.kawaimp.com .

Originally Posted by HisKidd
What an awesomely beautiful board.


Yes I totally agree! I was totally bowled over when I saw the first prototype - it's like a little brother version of the MP11. wink

Originally Posted by HisKidd
Think I'll go take a look at your manual!


Thank you! Suffice it to say, I didn't re-use the old Unix-style MP6 manual format...actually it's very similar to the MP11 manual as both models share a lot of the same functionality.

As always, multi-language PDFs available from here:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/worldwide/support/manuals.html

I was informed of some typos recently, so will update the PDFs when the MP7 website content is online.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 03:00 AM
From: http://www.kawai.co.uk/

The ultimate pianos for Concert, Pop, and Jazz
The MP7 captures the beautiful sound of Kawai’s highly acclaimed hand-built concert grand piano, with all 88 keys of this exceptional instrument meticulously recorded, analysed and faithfully reproduced using proprietary Harmonic Imaging™ XL technology. This unique process accurately recreates the broad dynamic range of the original grand piano, affording pianists an extraordinary level of expressiveness ranging from the softest pianissimo to the strongest, boldest fortissimo. With separate variations for Concert, Pop, and Jazz playing, the MP7 offers an excellent selection of high quality acoustic piano sounds suitable for various musical styles, including a separate sub-category devoted entirely to upright and mono pianos. Moreover, Kawai’s unique Virtual Technician feature allows various characteristics of the selected acoustic piano sound to be shaped at the touch of a button or the turn of a knob, with parameters to adjust voicing and regulation, string and damper resonances, and subtle hammer, damper, and key release noises.


Does this mean that there is only one sampled Piano, the the different Pianos types just undergo different later processing?
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 03:25 AM
I read in the description of "harmonic imaging" that they sample only one piano, but use different equipment to sample it for the different tones. For example, recording equipment associated with modern rock was used to sample the piano for the 'Rock' piano tone. So that leads me to believe the sound was not processed to change the tone. Of course there probably is some processing, but hard to say how much.
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 03:28 AM
http://www.kawaius.com/main_links/digital/Features/harmonic_imaging2010.html

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Many upper models also feature a “Pop Piano” sound. Like the others, this is also an EX Concert Piano, but the recording methods and equipment were those used on many famous pop and rock piano recordings done in Los Angeles area recording studios.
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 03:33 AM
Musical Dan…

Just took a gander at the "sound list" in the manual. The piano section includes, by my count, 28 piano sounds (7 banks of 4 each). The first 12 are the same names as the present 12 on the MP6 (Concert Grand, Concert Grand2, Studio, Mellow, Jazz, Pop, Bright, etc.). In addition there are groups of pianos for mono, octave, upright, new age; 4 different "piano variations," and piano/EP combinations.

To my knowledge Kawai has always created its samples from its own Grand Pianos, that is to say, all the piano sounds are created using a Kawai instrument. I recall reading that different effects are created by the positioning of microphones, etc. So, yes- you are getting sample variations from a Kawai Grand Piano.

Kawai James can jump in here and correct any information I have wrong, and/or offer additional information.

Play On!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 04:05 AM
Originally Posted by Musical Dan
Does this mean that there is only one sampled Piano, the the different Pianos types just undergo different later processing?


No, as with the MP11, the MP7 features different piano samples (mic type/positioning and voicing) for each category.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 04:11 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Musical Dan
Does this mean that there is only one sampled Piano, the the different Pianos types just undergo different later processing?


No, as with the MP11, the MP7 features different piano samples (mic type/positioning and voicing) for each category.

Kind regards,
James
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But presumably from the same source piano?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 04:37 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
But presumably from the same source piano?


I believe there are also different instruments from different recording sessions too.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 04:48 AM
James…

I have had my MP6 for three years, and I'm definitely looking to trade up for either the MP7 or the MP11.

I have a question for you about the processing of the sound samples. Perhaps the biggest complaint against the MP6 was that it did not contain the same quality sound samples as the MP10. I noted that with the MP7, it has the HI (Harmonic Imaging with 88 key sampling), and not the PHI ("Progressive Harmonic Imaging"). Does this mean that any sound improvements are going to come from the new processors on board, and not from a higher quality initial sample (PHI)?

I noted that the ES7 has the PHI feature as do the MP10/11. What can you tell us about the "quality" of the samples in the MP7 compared to the MP6/MP11? Noting that the first 12 piano samples are exactly the same as the MP6 menu, what can you tell us has been done to improve the piano samples of the MP7? My experience with the MP6 is that there are 3 or 4 good sample sounds, but the remaining piano sounds are marginal. That seems to be a common sentiment amount MP6 users. Listening to the samples online, they do not sound to be as bright as the MP11. Have you compared the MP7's piano samples yourself? What can you tell us about improvements in piano sounds, if any? There's always the MP10 or MP11, but I was hoping that with the arrival of the MP7, Kawai would step up the quality of the piano samples….

Thanks in advance…
H.K.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 04:57 AM
Originally Posted by HisKidd
I noted that with the MP7, it has the HI (Harmonic Imaging with 88 key sampling)...


May I ask where you saw this?

The specifications table in the MP7 owner's manual and on Kawai Europe's MP7 product page both state that the MP7 uses 'Harmonic Imaging XL' (HI-XL). This is the same sample quality as the MP11.

Previously the MP10 had superior sounds to the MP6 (UPHI vs PHI), but now both the MP11 and MP7 utilise the same HI-XL sample quality. It goes without saying that the MP7 is a considerable improvement over the MP6.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: lolatu Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 05:10 AM
What are the major differences between this and the MP11 apart from the keyboard?
Posted By: Marcos Daniel Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 05:28 AM
Even though I know that James is the person who knows about these pianos, for a pure piano player, I guess that the action is the major difference.
Number of sounds and effects may be?
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 05:50 AM
Here is the information on "harmonic imaging" from the Kawai website:
http://www.kawaius.com/main_links/digital/Features/harmonic_imaging2010.html

Thanks for asking for my source, because reading your explanation and this aritcle on how the sound sources are processed has helped me learn more. Yes, there are distinctions between "Harmonic imaging," "Progressive Harmonic Imaging," "Ultra-Progressive Harmonic Imaging," and "Harmonic Imaging, XL. All have 88 key sampling, but the quality of the samples seems to be graded according to which imaging process is used.

I am thrilled to hear your explanation for the piano sounds of the MP7, and that the processing is essentially the same as the MP11 sounds!

This being said the Kawai site gives the specifications as follows:
MP11- Harmonic Imaging, (HI-XL) with 88 key sampling
MP10- Ultra-Progressive Harmonic Imaging with 88 key sampling
MP7 - Harmonic Imaging (HI-XL) with 88 key sampling
MP6 - Progressive Harmonic Imaging (PHI) with 88 key sampling.
ES7- Progressive Harmonic Imaging (PHI) with 88 key sampling.

Harmonic Imaging XL:
"Hi-XL extends the length of the critical attack by up to 120%, articulating the characteristics of each note more clearly and organically."

Your answer, and this information are great confidence builders! Now, I can't wait to actually sit down and play the MP7. Have you had the opportunity to do so, James?

As always, thanks for your help!
H.K.






Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 05:57 AM
Originally Posted by HisKidd
Musical Dan…

Just took a gander at the "sound list" in the manual. The piano section includes, by my count, 28 piano sounds (7 banks of 4 each). The first 12 are the same names as the present 12 on the MP6 (Concert Grand, Concert Grand2, Studio, Mellow, Jazz, Pop, Bright, etc.). In addition there are groups of pianos for mono, octave, upright, new age; 4 different "piano variations," and piano/EP combinations.

To my knowledge Kawai has always created its samples from its own Grand Pianos, that is to say, all the piano sounds are created using a Kawai instrument. I recall reading that different effects are created by the positioning of microphones, etc. So, yes- you are getting sample variations from a Kawai Grand Piano.

Kawai James can jump in here and correct any information I have wrong, and/or offer additional information.

Play On!

Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
I read in the description of "harmonic imaging" that they sample only one piano, but use different equipment to sample it for the different tones. For example, recording equipment associated with modern rock was used to sample the piano for the 'Rock' piano tone. So that leads me to believe the sound was not processed to change the tone. Of course there probably is some processing, but hard to say how much.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Musical Dan
Does this mean that there is only one sampled Piano, the the different Pianos types just undergo different later processing?


No, as with the MP11, the MP7 features different piano samples (mic type/positioning and voicing) for each category.

Kind regards,
James
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Thanks guys. This might be enough to hold off on purchasing the Yammy CP4 (assuming it doesn't take forever for the MP7 to get to Australia).
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 06:01 AM
Originally Posted by lolatu
What are the major differences between this and the MP11 apart from the keyboard?

  • MP7 retains the 'zones' approach of the MP6 and previous 'classic' MPs, while the MP11 retains the 'sections' approach of the MP10.
  • The MP7 features a much broader range of sounds, including tonewheel simulation. The MP11 does not include any organ sounds.
  • The MP7 features 16-track SMF direct playback. The MP11 only allows 2-track MIDI songs (keyboard + drum backing) to be loaded into recorder memory.
  • The MP7 does not feature XLR jacks, the MP11 does.
  • The MP7 includes the F-10H single pedal, but can use the F-20/F-30 (double/triple pedal units respectively) as accessories. The MP11 includes the F-30 as standard.

I expect there are a number of other differences, but these are points that spring to mind initially.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 06:14 AM
Originally Posted by HisKidd
This being said the Kawai site gives the specifications as follows:
MP11- Progressive Harmonic Imaging, XL with 88 key sampling


May I please ask you to tell me which Kawai website you are referring to?
Any website that lists the MP11 as featuring 'Progressive Harmonic Imaging, XL' is incorrect and should be revised.

To clarify Kawai's different sample standards, in increasing order of expressiveness:

- Harmonic Imaging (HI), 88-key sampling
- Progressive Harmonic Imaging (PHI), 88-key sampling
- Ultra Progressive Harmonic Imaging (UPHI), 88-key sampling
- Harmonic Imaging XL (HI-XL), 88-key sampling

Once again, the MP11 and MP7 both utilise the same 'Harmonic Imaging XL' standard.

Originally Posted by HisKidd
Have you had the opportunity to do so, James?


I have a prototype sitting to the right of my desk. I actually snapped a picture of it a few months ago, but nobody noticed. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 06:24 AM
James…

You are correct… and I've made the change in my earlier post. I took all my info from the Kawai Europe link:
http://www.kawai.de/mp11_en.htm
(for the information on the MP11)

The MP7 and the MP11 are one and the same for sound source:
Harmonic Imaging (HI-XL)- 88 key sampling.

Cheers..
H.K.

Posted By: doremi Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 09:27 AM
KJ or others, can the 4 drawbars be used to control, via MIDI, the sound volume of external sound sources in real time? Can't see that from the manual.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 09:59 AM
Originally Posted by doremi
KJ or others, can the 4 drawbars be used to control, via MIDI, the sound volume of external sound sources in real time? Can't see that from the manual.


Yes, the functionality of previous MPs is retained.

When a zone is set to INT the faders control the assigned internal sound volume. When set to EXT the faders control an assigned external MIDI channel. When set to BOTH the faders control both internal sounds and external MIDI channels.

This is mentioned in a few people places, but the first reference is on page 13, in the Introduction chapter.

[Linked Image]

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: doremi Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 10:15 AM
Thanks, KJ, very nice feature of the MP7 that the MP11 does not seem to have.

Edit: Which other models have the same RH2 action? So as to get a first feel for the action by proxy.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 10:22 AM
Originally Posted by doremi
Thanks, KJ, very nice feature of the MP7 that the MP11 does not seem to have.


The MP11's faders are for controlling the internal sound section only.
However, the MP11's has a separate MIDI OUT section with four zones that can also be controlled in real time using the assignable knobs.

Originally Posted by doremi
Edit: Which other models have the same RH2 action? So as to get a first feel for the action by proxy.


The ES7, CS4, CN34, and CN24 all utilise the same RHII action.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Phlox Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 10:43 AM
@ Kawai James:

Is the sustain of the piano sounds in the MP11/MP7 as long as the piano sounds in the CA65/CA95/CS7/CS10 ??
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 10:50 AM
For the most part yes, however there are some additional piano sounds on the MP11/MP7 that are not included on the CA/CS models.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: PV1 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 10:53 AM
Hello,

I believe the MP7 is what I was looking for. I play piano but also composose with other virtual instruments. Do you think the action is suitable for playing other virtual instruments such as orchestral VST's and synths? What about DAW controlling?

Thank you
Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 11:11 AM
Yesterday I was among the first to watch videos on youtube.
I was impatient to read the features of the new Mp7.

I like the improvement compared to the MP6.
Unfortunately, the only disappointment is that personally and I think many others expected at least a small improvement on weight. frown
I think if MP6 weighed about 16 kg. would slaughter of hearts.

I am a happy owner of the MP6.
There is a small error in the software mp6, I noticed from the beginning but I've never written in this forum. (Giacomo will definitely intrigued).
However trivial

A question for James:
Are the acoustic piano samples "exactly the same" as the MP11?
Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 11:23 AM
Hi James, when will the MP7 start shipping? What part of the world will it hit first?
Posted By: Turnabout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by PV1
I play piano but also composose with other virtual instruments. Do you think the action is suitable for playing other virtual instruments such as orchestral VST's and synths?


You can use it however the quicker, lighter synth action on a basic controller is easier and generally preferable to play synth VSTs on a regular basis, as is a controller with assignable pots for accessing VST features. The graded keyboard of a digital piano actually works against fast, easy synth playing.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by PV1
Do you think the action is suitable for playing other virtual instruments such as orchestral VST's and synths? What about DAW controlling?


Yes, the MP7's MIDI controller functionality is very strong.

For playing synth VIs (Omnisphere?), the ability to select a higher 'trigger' point for the keyboard will allow a very light, almost semi-weighted feel for leads.

As for DAW control, the 4-zone MIDI control with assignable parameters will also be very useful. There are also the MMC panel buttons for playback/stop/record etc. controls.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by IMOL
Unfortunately, the only disappointment is that personally and I think many others expected at least a small improvement on weight.


Yes, that's a fair criticism. However I think it would be tough to deliver a sub-20kg 88-key MP without switching to a plastic construction and using an AC power adaptor. Such actions would be at odds with the 'no compromises' philosophy of the MP instruments.

Originally Posted by IMOL
Are the acoustic piano samples "exactly the same" as the MP11?


The main 'Concert Grand' sound is exactly the same.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Hi James, when will the MP7 start shipping? What part of the world will it hit first?


I believe the the MP7 will be available in Europe from early April, however the US shouldn't be too far behind. Other markets will follow shortly after.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Phlox Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 01:08 PM
@Kawai James:

I think Kawai has another winner !!!
Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Hi James, when will the MP7 start shipping? What part of the world will it hit first?


I believe the the MP7 will be available in Europe from early April, however the US shouldn't be too far behind. Other markets will follow shortly after.

Cheers,
James
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Thanks James. Im very excited. The timing could not be better for me if this hits the US around May.
Posted By: Phlox Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 02:29 PM
Double Post
Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 02:50 PM
The MP7 covers more bases than the MP11, from what I can see. The only compromise seems to be the GF action - but the RHII action is still quite good. It will be interesting to see how they are priced in Australia. If they can keep it reasonable, I can see myself going for the MP7.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 03:06 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
The ES7, CN34, and CN24 all utilise the same RHII action.

I wonder how this will price vs. the ES7 In the U.S., the ES7 is $1999. Apart from the speakers, the MP7 looks like a nice step up... same action, better piano sound, and a lot more in the way of additional sounds and MIDI functionality. It would seem that the MP7 either has to sell for more than $1999, or the ES7 price should be reduced...?

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by IMOL
Unfortunately, the only disappointment is that personally and I think many others expected at least a small improvement on weight.


Yes, that's a fair criticism. However I think it would be tough to deliver a sub-20kg 88-key MP without switching to a plastic construction and using an AC power adaptor. Such actions would be at odds with the 'no compromises' philosophy of the MP instruments.

I would love to see Kawai maintain the MP7 as is as a no-compromise version of what it is, but also offer, say, an MP-7L (Lite) which is the same board with the necessary physical compromises as you describe to get the weight as low as possible. I think total sales of the two combined would be higher as a result, but it would be interesting to see the mix of sales between the two. (Of course, relative price would play a factor there as well.) Though I know that one of the challenges of plastic chassis is that the initial fabrication cost is high, so you have to be pretty confident in being able to project the sales volume to justify it.
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 03:18 PM
For me the mp7 can be what I´ve been looking for. I seems to have what the CP4 haven´t when it comes to organ and drawbars. And the MIDI functionality of the Mp7 seems so be very good. To bad it doesn´t have the XLR-out.

Here in europe the MP11 is a little bit cheaper than the Roland RD800 so it will be interesting to see what the price of the MP7 will be.
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 03:24 PM
And it´s just a little bit bigger than the cp4, 1352 x 339 x 171 mm, and 21kg.
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 03:44 PM
For someone who would use the MP7 primarily as a piano, how does the different setup (zones vs sections) between the MP6/7 and the MP10/11 impact the user? The MP7 surely has a ton of stuff I would never use but it does have the best piano sample/tone generator of all the portable DP's. The MP10 setup is kind of nice with a section just for piano. I wasn't thrilled about the aesthetics of the DP but after reading the manual, I get it.

I will work on the manual for the MP7 I guess in the meantime.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
I wonder how this will price vs. the ES7 In the U.S., the ES7 is $1999. Apart from the speakers, the MP7 looks like a nice step up... same action, better piano sound, and a lot more in the way of additional sounds and MIDI functionality. It would seem that the MP7 either has to sell for more than $1999, or the ES7 price should be reduced...?


I wouldn't underestimate the appeal of built-in speakers, especially if they are powerful enough to accommodate solo gigs. Some people would pay a premium for that functionality alone. For me, if the MP7 had internal speakers (with no additional weight penalty wink ), it might be the perfect DP for me.

As it is, I've always felt that the ES7 was a little overpriced here in the States, particularly when measured against the Roland FP-50. The new MP7 may have a (much) better sound engine, but it still has to compete with the PX-5S, the RD-300NX and the CP4/40.
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 05:09 PM
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For me, if the MP7 had internal speakers ..., it might be the perfect DP for me.


Me too.

I was comparing numbers of the MP6, MP10, and MP11 (Kraft Music, U.S.):

MP10 to MP11 = $500 cost increase. Add $500 to MP6 price ($1500) and the MP7 could sell for $2000

MP6 to MP10 = $800 cost increase. Subtract $800 from MP11 price ($2800) and the MP7 could sell for $2000.

To me it seems like the ES7 is a different target market for people (like me) who want a simple digital piano with great sound and touch, without a bunch of electronics that we will never use. As such it has speakers. The MP7 is screaming to be hooked up to additional audio equipment - targeted to performers with a more complex rig and some who would say on-board speakers are a waste of space and weight since they always end up using externals anyway.

Of course I would love to see a price drop in the ES7, or an ES8 wink

The ES7 (especially with the stand) would look great in a living room, a church or a wedding, and would work well for small gigs.

(Unfortunately for me) the MP7 is 2 generations ahead in sampling technology, otherwise the ES7 would be a no-brainer. I don't know when the ES7 came out with respect to the UHI technology, but that DP with that technology would have been ideal.
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/10/14 10:09 PM
So I'm absent for a while and then....BOOOM... there's the MP7 (finally) ! Really like it. Nice layout, nice improved design and finally the RH2 in a MP6 successor package with (surprise) non-compromised HI-XL AP's ! Few questions still though; out of curiosity:

1) apart from the HI-XL sampling for the AP's - are any of the "other" sounds that we're available on the MP6 before also improved in sample quality / length ?

2) I noticed there are a few tweaks to the organ patches and presets have been shuffled in order. Completely 'new' however seem to be the synth/pad sounds. Are those indeed a whole new bank of synth patches and are they simply new sample sets, or perhaps even generated waveforms ?

Much has been improved in action, AP sound , handling, routing and effects (and addition of audio-in!); just trying to figure out what other sounds have been enhanced / improved by exchanging sample sets or giving them more memory space.

Overall ; very nice package and with this robust classy design IMHO 21kg is fair. Otherwise it would have been more plastic , which you may - or may not like. I personally don't. With an added 3 pedal unit and other stuff in your back , you'll still have to do some heavy lifting though. Casio remains unbeatable in that respect. But look what you get in return ;-)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by JFP
1) apart from the HI-XL sampling for the AP's - are any of the "other" sounds that we're available on the MP6 before also improved in sample quality / length ?


Yes, the EPs and a number of other sounds are also much improved.

Originally Posted by JFP
2) I noticed there are a few tweaks to the organ patches and presets have been shuffled in order. Completely 'new' however seem to be the synth/pad sounds. Are those indeed a whole new bank of synth patches and are they simply new sample sets, or perhaps even generated waveforms ?


I'm less familiar with the synth side of the MP7, but I'm pretty sure this has been boosted too, partly thanks to the more powerful tone generator and ability to adjust more finegrain ADSR parameters.

Originally Posted by JFP
Much has been improved in action, AP sound , handling, routing and effects (and addition of audio-in!); just trying to figure out what other sounds have been enhanced / improved by exchanging sample sets or giving them more memory space.


It's the latter - much more memory compared to the MP6.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 01:23 AM
One small but important improvement for synth players seems to be the inclusion of portamento.
Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 01:35 AM
The video mentioned something about an Organ Mode to make it easy to play organ sounds on a weighted keyboard. Does anyone know what this means? I could be wrong but it looked like maybe it made use of the third sensor (i.e. you don't have to press the key the whole way down?)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 02:05 AM
Originally Posted by Musical Dan
The video mentioned something about an Organ Mode to make it easy to play organ sounds on a weighted keyboard. Does anyone know what this means? I could be wrong but it looked like maybe it made use of the third sensor (i.e. you don't have to press the key the whole way down?)


Yes, this relates back to what I mentioned a little further up about synth playing (and conveniently responds to Turnabout's comment at the same time...).

Here's the relevant extract from the owner's manual (page 45):

[Linked Image]

To flesh this explanation out a little more, the RHII action has 3 velocity sensors (s1, s2, s3), and all three are utilised when playing piano sounds in order to accurately measure the speed at which notes are played and released.

However, organs are typically velocity insensitive (i.e. their character/volume does not change depending on the speed at which notes are played). Therefore when selecting the MP7's tonewheel organ mode, the keyboard automatically selects a fixed touch curve. As such, we no longer need to use all three sensors to measure velocity, so can instead freely select which sensor (s1, s2, s3) should be used to trigger the note.

This makes the keyboard action feel very 'fast', and allows authentic organ-style playing on a weighted action that would otherwise be more difficult to achieve.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: doremi Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 04:30 AM
Originally Posted by ando
The MP7 covers more bases than the MP11, from what I can see...

That's what I see too, the MP7 will be a bigger cash cow than the MP11.
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 05:17 AM
MP7 just got posted on the Kawai US site:
http://www.kawaius.com/main_links/digital/MP7/mp7.html
Posted By: jeffreyfranz Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 05:27 AM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Kawai James
The ES7, CN34, and CN24 all utilise the same RHII action.

I wonder how this will price vs. the ES7 In the U.S., the ES7 is $1999. Apart from the speakers, the MP7 looks like a nice step up... same action, better piano sound, and a lot more in the way of additional sounds and MIDI functionality. It would seem that the MP7 either has to sell for more than $1999, or the ES7 price should be reduced...?

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by IMOL
Unfortunately, the only disappointment is that personally and I think many others expected at least a small improvement on weight.


Yes, that's a fair criticism. However I think it would be tough to deliver a sub-20kg 88-key MP without switching to a plastic construction and using an AC power adaptor. Such actions would be at odds with the 'no compromises' philosophy of the MP instruments.

I would love to see Kawai maintain the MP7 as is as a no-compromise version of what it is, but also offer, say, an MP-7L (Lite) which is the same board with the necessary physical compromises as you describe to get the weight as low as possible. I think total sales of the two combined would be higher as a result, but it would be interesting to see the mix of sales between the two. (Of course, relative price would play a factor there as well.) Though I know that one of the challenges of plastic chassis is that the initial fabrication cost is high, so you have to be pretty confident in being able to project the sales volume to justify it.


This is an excellent idea. The lighter case could be marketed as a "road" or "tour" model. Might work. smile
Posted By: Marcos Daniel Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 05:35 AM
And on Kawai Australia too: http://kawai.net.au/digital/MP7
(along with MP11)
If what google says is correct, it is priced similar to US
Posted By: doremi Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 05:48 AM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
...an MP-7L (Lite)...

Since I don't gig, I would be very happy with an MP-11SH (Super Heavy) that has built-in speakers grin

Edit: Tomorrow is Musikmesse, and no one has put up a thread yet?
Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 06:45 AM
Originally Posted by ando
The MP7 covers more bases than the MP11, from what I can see. The only compromise seems to be the GF action - but the RHII action is still quite good. It will be interesting to see how they are priced in Australia. If they can keep it reasonable, I can see myself going for the MP7.


My thoughts as well. The Yamaha CP4 is the other main contender. I wish the MP7 was a light as the CP4. Balanced outs would have been nice as well - considering the "no compromises" philosophy.
Price point will probably be the main deciding factor, as I think both boards should have nice sounding pianos. If I can pick one up retail for under $2k AUD, there would be a good chance this would be my choice, though of course I wouldn't purchase it without trying it first.

Kawai James, any idea how long it will take to arrive in Australia?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 06:49 AM
Originally Posted by Musical Dan
Kawai James, any idea how long it will take to arrive in Australia?


According to Kawai Australia's facebook: "Limited stock available in-store from late March!"

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 06:53 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Musical Dan
The video mentioned something about an Organ Mode to make it easy to play organ sounds on a weighted keyboard. Does anyone know what this means? I could be wrong but it looked like maybe it made use of the third sensor (i.e. you don't have to press the key the whole way down?)


Yes, this relates back to what I mentioned a little further up about synth playing (and conveniently responds to Turnabout's comment at the same time...).

Here's the relevant extract from the owner's manual (page 45):

[Linked Image]


To flesh this explanation out a little more, the RHII action has 3 velocity sensors (s1, s2, s3), and all three are utilised when playing piano sounds in order to accurately measure the speed at which notes are played and released.

However, organs are typically velocity insensitive (i.e. their character/volume does not change depending on the speed at which notes are played). Therefore when selecting the MP7's tonewheel organ mode, the keyboard automatically selects a fixed touch curve. As such, we no longer need to use all three sensors to measure velocity, so can instead freely select which sensor (s1, s2, s3) should be used to trigger the note.

This makes the keyboard action feel very 'fast', and allows authentic organ-style playing on a weighted action that would otherwise be very difficult to achieve.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
James
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Thanks for the explanation smile
Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 06:55 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Musical Dan
Kawai James, any idea how long it will take to arrive in Australia?


According to Kawai Australia's facebook: "Limited stock available in-store from late March!"

Cheers,
James
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Sounds perfect.... My Birthday is late March!!! I hope I can convince my wife!
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 07:47 AM
Great - my birthday cake also arrives by the end of March; would be a nice present and addition to my CA95. One for the home and one for the road. Just looking for a new (bigger) house to stash it ...

Any EU pricing info yet ?
Posted By: mabraman Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 08:29 AM
Good job, Kawai, and thanks James for your explanations!!
I like the upright sample very much, it has "body". Some of the Concert tones are still too thin in the mid-up range, at least on demos. I know from experience that some nuances (and a lot of sustain) get lost in recordings, and this could be the case.
I'm not a potential buyer, but I guess this product is gonna be a reference.
Posted By: thomsurf Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 09:39 AM
Can anyone comment on the decay lenght on the new MPs. Are they on par with Roland's Supernatural piano sounds? or better perhaps?
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 10:46 AM
It's simply different;

Kawai decays are nice and long , but in the end still sample-loops (though nicely done) whilst Roland uses SN to avoid typical looping artifacts and present a more dynamic sound. The sound character of the sampled source piano's (Kawai vs Steinway (?)) is huge , so it's a matter of taste and preference which one you like the most. I mean, the overall sound is a bigger noticeable difference then small details in sustain. Pick the one you like ;-)

Posted By: doremi Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 12:01 PM
On the higher trigger point when playing organ sounds: would that not make the effective key dip shallow without bottoming out, and thus require a different playing technique, not only different from piano playing technique, but also different from organ playing technique?

The above is of course conjecture, best is to actually play the thing. Nonetheless, interesting to know others' opinions.
Posted By: rickard Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 01:40 PM
Originally Posted by JFP
Any EU pricing info yet ?

Musikhaus Korn lists the MP7 at €1595 RRP. For reference, they list the MP11 at €2295 RRP and the MP6 at €1550 RRP. So, possibly / wishfulthinkily €45 more than the MP6?

Actual prices are very different, naturally, with the MP7 at €1490, MP11 at €2149 and MP6 at €1149.
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 01:41 PM
Has anyone seen a European sales , or list price yet for the MP7 ? Or am I being to inpatient...

Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 04:54 PM
My first post.

I'm think I'm going to at least check out the newly arrived CP4 at my not too local music store today before it's gone. There's quite a pro DP retail drought in my area. But I think I'll wait to purchase until I can see and hear a comparison between the MP7 and the CP4 online. As far as I know no one carries the MP6(7) or MP10(11) in Western Washington.

I'll be using it mostly for a midi controller along with my M-Audio Axion 49 which needs to sit on top of the DP at an angle. It looks like the MP7 has been redesigned, possibly to accommodate a top controller. I just need to make sure that the Axiom will clear those knobs in the middle of the MP7.

Reading the manual, it looks like you can set the MP7 transport controls to transmit MMC over MIDI to you DAW host. If you can also set the MP7 keyboard to the lighter organ type of touch you'll have a very versatile keyboard controller. Aftertouch is the only function that is lacking but my newer, better libraries don't utilize aftertouch.

Posted By: doremi Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 09:35 PM
Welcome to the forum, fastlanephil!

Originally Posted by fastlanephil
...I'll be using it mostly for a midi controller along with my M-Audio Axion 49 which needs to sit on top of the DP at an angle. It looks like the MP7 has been redesigned, possibly to accommodate a top controller. I just need to make sure that the Axiom will clear those knobs in the middle of the MP7...

That's exactly my setup too, DP at the bottom, synth on top. Exactly the same issues with access to controls of the bottom DP (a controlling iPod would be ideal), view to music score, etc. We should set up a support group cool
Posted By: spanishbuddha Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/11/14 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by rickard
Originally Posted by JFP
Any EU pricing info yet ?

Musikhaus Korn lists the MP7 at €1595 RRP. For reference, they list the MP11 at €2295 RRP and the MP6 at €1550 RRP. So, possibly / wishfulthinkily €45 more than the MP6?

Actual prices are very different, naturally, with the MP7 at €1490, MP11 at €2149 and MP6 at €1149.

Lower than the CP4 apparently. Now it's interesting!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/12/14 12:33 AM
Originally Posted by fastlanephil
Reading the manual, it looks like you can set the MP7 transport controls to transmit MMC over MIDI to you DAW host.


Yes. wink

Originally Posted by fastlanephil
If you can also set the MP7 keyboard to the lighter organ type of touch you'll have a very versatile keyboard controller.


Please note that the physical weight of the action will not change, just the perceived weight and - more importantly - the trigger speed. The 'fast' keyboard modes are great for organ and synth lead playing.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/12/14 04:29 AM
James,

Thanks for the confirmation about the MMC function. I realize that you can't change the actual key bed feel. I think I remember many years ago someone tried to do something like this or it was just a dream. grin

I checked out the Yamaha CP4 at Music 6000 today. I liked the action and the DP sounds. I wasn't too impressed by the non-piano sounds but I think someone had been fooling with it. The action is quite a bit lighter than my Yamaha P-140. It's closer to my old CLP-555 grand but much better. It reminded me a little of the Steinway action also but didn't really have the Steinway accelerated action.

The MP7 has the RH2 key bed. I'm assuming this is the same as the RH ll and the Responsive Hammer ll. I'll check with Prosser Piano in Tacoma and see if they have either the CS4, the CN34 or the CN24 models in stock which also use this key bed so I can at least try out the RH2 action.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/12/14 04:46 AM
Originally Posted by fastlanephil
The MP7 has the RH2 key bed. I'm assuming this is the same as the RH ll and the Responsive Hammer ll.


Yes, that's right.

Originally Posted by fastlanephil
I'll check with Prosser Piano in Tacoma and see if they have either the CS4, the CN34 or the CN24 models in stock which also use this key bed so I can at least try out the RH2 action.


Ah, good call on the CS4 - I had forgotten about that one. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: SprazeR Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/12/14 11:31 AM
damn I was going to buy KAWAI ES7
but I told myself I should wait for musikmesse = =

what do you guys think about the price of ES7? they are selling them at $2000 now.....

is Mp7 better than ES7 all the way?

does the differ of the sampling between them so noticeable?
Posted By: Deffie Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/12/14 02:06 PM
Unless you want/need built-in speakers, yes, the MP7 should be the better board all around.
Posted By: fizikisto Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/12/14 03:59 PM
Has there been a shipping date announced for the MP7? It may not actually be shipping in quantity for 2-3 months, and even then initial supplies may be constrained compared to the demand. If you're needing something sooner rather than later, the ES7 may be the better choice.

Of course, the ES7 has built in speakers as Deffie mentioned, and the ES7 has a nice furniture style stand/triple pedal option that may be desirable depending on what you intend to use the piano for (it probably blends in better to your house decor).

With that said, The MP7 is a newer generation of technology and if they end up being comparable in price, I would guess it's the better overall option (though you'll need to purchase monitors/speakers, or at least headphones, which will up the total unit price)

Warm Regards
Posted By: Alleycat6315 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/12/14 11:50 PM
Hi all. I'm new to this forum but have been following the comments on the MP7 with great intrest. I work at a piano retailer in country Victoria (Australia) and also play in various bands around my area. I have owned & used various keyboards over the years including Kawai & Roland & have gone from an MP-5 to an MP-6 and earlier this week, ordered an MP-7. I am hoping to be able to use it at a gig on the 29th of March all going well. The RRP in Australia is going to be $2295 which will make it cheaper than the RRP of a ES-7 which pleasantly suprised me, although the stock coming in is going to be limited until later in the year. Any of the Australian guys passing through who would like to have a try after it arrives would be most welcome & I would love to get other peoples feedback.
Posted By: toddy Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/13/14 12:08 AM
ordered an MP-7. I am hoping to be able to use it at a gig on the 29th of March all going well. The RRP in Australia is going to be $2295

Hey, that sounds like a really good price. I'm really pleased you're getting a good deal on the MP7. Often, if I'm not mistaken, it seems like you pay a lot more in Aus than in Europe or the US. But this looks a very good deal. Good luck with the MP7, anyway.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/13/14 12:11 AM
Originally Posted by fizikisto
Has there been a shipping date announced for the MP7?


The MP7 should be available in Europe from April, and I expect the US will follow shortly after. However according to my colleagues in Australia (and Alleycat6315's post above), it may be available a little earlier in other markets.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/13/14 12:14 AM
Originally Posted by Alleycat6315
I have owned & used various keyboards over the years including Kawai & Roland & have gone from an MP-5 to an MP-6 and earlier this week, ordered an MP-7.


Wow, that's a great run! wink

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on how the board compares with the MP6.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: doremi Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/13/14 12:22 AM
I hope that discount Yeti comes to Canada too.
Posted By: Alleycat6315 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/13/14 01:13 AM
Hey, that sounds like a really good price. I'm really pleased you're getting a good deal on the MP7. Often, if I'm not mistaken, it seems like you pay a lot more in Aus than in Europe or the US. But this looks a very good deal. Good luck with the MP7, anyway. [/quote]

Thanks Toddy. We have in the past paid more in Australia but our friends at Kawai Australia have been lobbying to even up things a bit & it appears to be making a difference!

Thank you Kawai James. I will certainly let you know how it compares. From what I can tell most of the things I loved about the other MP's will still be there. I love the zones & setups and the fact the button to switch the zones on, are below the volume sliders and easily accessible to your left hand. I noticed on the RD 800 they still have them above the sliders which amazed me. It is those little things that make it much more user friendly.
I did offer my services in December last year to take a prototype on the road for a test run but unfortunately my services were not required for this! Maybe next time there is a new model??
Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/13/14 02:57 AM
Originally Posted by Alleycat6315
I work at a piano retailer in country Victoria (Australia)...... Any of the Australian guys passing through who would like to have a try after it arrives would be most welcome...


Might help if we knew where we are passing through... wink
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/13/14 02:31 PM
EU / NL price € 1490 incl Tax. Estimated delivery beginning of april. I think I want one, just wait till Musik Messes is over and all products have been announced. New Kurzweil seems promising too, but keys are ...mwah...and pricing will be at least twice as high as the MP7.
Posted By: Alleycat6315 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/13/14 03:50 PM
Good point Ando. Wangaratta Victoria. :-)
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/14/14 02:38 AM

One time MP6 owner here. I would still be an owner If I had'nt got a bit tired of the acoustic piano sound - so the
new improved MP looks to have enough refinements to make me
take another look. An its quite a looker itself - very sleek!

It looks like you are now able to save a diferent touch setting to each registration YAY!!!( James - can you confirm this!)and not have to rely on the offset or 'Dynamics'setting which was not usefull for me.

Touch is now part of the Virtual Technician so I'm guessing its now not Global.

Also noticed that the MP7 has the same lid or 'Topboard' parameter as the MP11 but NOT the 'Briteness' control.
So not identical, sonicaly with the MP11?

Or am I nitpicking here?

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/14/14 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by puff
It looks like you are now able to save a diferent touch setting to each registration YAY!!!( James - can you confirm this!)and not have to rely on the offset or 'Dynamics'setting which was not usefull for me.


Correct. wink

Originally Posted by puff
Also noticed that the MP7 has the same lid or 'Topboard' parameter as the MP11 but NOT the 'Briteness' control.
So not identical, sonicaly with the MP11?


No, the MP7 does not include the 'Brilliance' Virtual Technician parameter.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/14/14 06:05 PM
That is interesting. I really like having the brilliance setting although it should be easy enough to program and store in either the MP7 or MP11.

I had a little communication with Kawai US about where I'm at with trying to choose a keyboard. I asked about availability: MP11 is out of stock until June, MP7 will be 'available soon'.

I feel like I am leaning toward the MP11 but maybe the MP7 if find the wooden keys heavy after extended use. it's a tough call - MP7 will have a better price point, MP11 has the wooden keys, MP7 might have a few more sounds, MP11 has a little more piano tuning options.

The rep also said functionally the MP7 and MP11 are very similar in performance - which is what I had expected - basically the 'zones' and 'sections' function in a similar fashion. I kind of like the 'zones' feature as you can call them whatever you want as opposed to pre-determined e-piano, etc.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/14/14 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
That is interesting. I really like having the brilliance setting although it should be easy enough to program and store in either the MP7 or MP11.

I had a little communication with Kawai US about where I'm at with trying to choose a keyboard. I asked about availability: MP11 is out of stock until June, MP7 will be 'available soon'.

I feel like I am leaning toward the MP11 but maybe the MP7 if find the wooden keys heavy after extended use. it's a tough call - MP7 will have a better price point, MP11 has the wooden keys, MP7 might have a few more sounds, MP11 has a little more piano tuning options.

The rep also said functionally the MP7 and MP11 are very similar in performance - which is what I had expected - basically the 'zones' and 'sections' function in a similar fashion. I kind of like the 'zones' feature as you can call them whatever you want as opposed to pre-determined e-piano, etc.


What would you be using the piano for mainly?
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/14/14 08:34 PM
Morodiene, thanks for asking. I am happy to run this past a piano teacher smile

Right now my focus is learning piano - I've have been taking lessons and theory at the local music conservatory.

In the future I'd like to play out and mess with styles and rhythms and electronic music, but right now that is not my priority.

I am a little picky and want the best sound and touch I can afford so my options are MP7, MP11, CA65.

The local piano dealer said MP7 would 'be more than I bargained for' and is really geared toward stage use. Kawai rep said just turning the instrument on and playing gives me the touch and tone I'm looking for, and that the MP11 is closest to the CA-65 except for looks.

The CA-65 is an option but a financial stretch (would have to be without an instrument for a few months probably). Obviously it eliminates portability but lends itself to piano focus.

It's hard for me not to be long winded about this stuff but I hope this helps. smile
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/14/14 09:18 PM
If you want the best keys and don't have to move the DP around go for the GF action. When the CA65 is too expensive and the MP11 within your financial range; take the MP11. Simply better action than MP7 and you don't seem to use the added features of the MP7 in the first place anyway.

GF = noticebly better than RH-II 'piano-wise'. But RH-II is portable whilst GF is not (at most 'transportable' with the MP11).

Indeed...MP11 seems best match in your case.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/14/14 09:47 PM
Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
Morodiene, thanks for asking. I am happy to run this past a piano teacher smile

Right now my focus is learning piano - I've have been taking lessons and theory at the local music conservatory.

In the future I'd like to play out and mess with styles and rhythms and electronic music, but right now that is not my priority.

I am a little picky and want the best sound and touch I can afford so my options are MP7, MP11, CA65.

The local piano dealer said MP7 would 'be more than I bargained for' and is really geared toward stage use. Kawai rep said just turning the instrument on and playing gives me the touch and tone I'm looking for, and that the MP11 is closest to the CA-65 except for looks.

The CA-65 is an option but a financial stretch (would have to be without an instrument for a few months probably). Obviously it eliminates portability but lends itself to piano focus.

It's hard for me not to be long winded about this stuff but I hope this helps. smile


Well, at this price point you are going to find pianos that do a lot of things that you don't necessarily need, but also they will contain the qualities that you do need.

Since electronic music is not a priority and VSTis are pretty popular, you may want to go with the MP11. I have a synth already for other sounds as well as VSTs so I didn't need a piano with a huge sound bank, but I wanted top notch feel and piano sound. That's why I went with the MP11 rather than the MP7. If I wanted something perhaps a bit of a combination piano/keyboard, the MP7 seems to be a great compromise there. Of course the CA65 you get the nice cabinet and on-board speakers, but that price tag can be a bit much if the looks aren't all that important to you.
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/14/14 11:14 PM
JFP and Morodiene, thank you. I will aim for the MP11, or CA65.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/15/14 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
JFP and Morodiene, thank you. I will aim for the MP11, or CA65.


Awesome! Let us know what you got and what you think! I'm especially curious if you get the MP11 what your thoughts are. I'm knee-deep in an opera right now, otherwise I'd be fiddling with mine since my return home. I am itching to mess around with it!
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/15/14 03:45 PM
I will, but it will be a while. Kawai said the MP11's are out of stock until June and it might be that long before I have $$$ for the CA65, but we'll see. There is an MP10 waiting for me to try next week.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/16/14 12:27 AM
Of the 8 banks of sounds in the MP7 (I'm comparing to the MP6 sound list)the Synth and Drawbar organ banks now have new names
added but all other banks have retained the same names and heirachy as in the MP6 list.
The synth section is totally different so there's no re-cycling of old sounds going on and we know the Drawbar sounds are new - it realy shows in the demos.
Id like to know if the main Rhodes sounds and the wurltizer are new samples or just the old ones - now re-procesed.
Wondering they'll be up to snuff with those in my Yammy CP5?

I think there's only one on this forum able to answer this. wink

Posted By: thomsurf Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/16/14 08:15 AM
The MP7 vs Roland RD800 competition is on!
Is there anyone out there who's familiar with both actions? Would love to hear some comments
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/16/14 09:53 AM
The Mp7 is 1485 euro on thomann, is this to good to be true:) The cp4 is 1999 euro and rd800 20268 euro.
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/16/14 10:44 AM
10x RD800 would be 20268€
:))
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/17/14 11:22 AM
smile
Posted By: musicman100 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/17/14 12:16 PM
Its cheaper then I thought in the Uk only £1199

http://www.bonnersmusic.co.uk/kawai-mp7-stage-piano.ir

So is it worth the extra £200 to get an mp7 then an es7??

Decision decisions!!!
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/17/14 01:00 PM
Here are two demos of the MP7 from Musikmessee 2014. These demos allow a more thorough hearing of the piano sounds, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbN009a5jP0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lODEycl0Z4

Play On!

Posted By: LarryMan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/17/14 01:34 PM
MP7 piano sounds are very good, can you get the same quality from external speakers?

I am assuming the recordings are done from the headphones output correct?

Thanks
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/17/14 10:50 PM
I'm having my house reroofed today so it was a good time to drive up to Prosser Piano in Tacoma and check out the digital Kawai. The DP sales person was off today but my sales person was pretty knowledgeable. I tried out a Kawai ES7 which has the same key bed( RH2) as the MP7. The action was good- similar to the Yamaha CP4. They also had a MP10 but we couldn't figure out how to get sound out of it.

I also tried out the Kawai CA65 and the CA95. They both have the Grand Feel key bed which is the same as the Kawai MP11. It's definitely a step up from the above mentioned RH2 key bed. The CA65 sounds very good but the CA95 has a fuller, organic sound. They both can also record Standard Midi Files to a USB drive just like the MP11 does. The MSRP on the CA65 is $3965 but the sales person said he could knock about $1500 off of that which makes it pretty competitive. It sounded like the CA95 price is not quite as negotiable.

One of these might one day replace my living room's aging Yamaha CLP-555 mini grand.

In the mean time I'll be waiting for Prosser Piano to get in the MP7.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/18/14 10:28 AM
He's using the main outs into a digital recorder in those vids.

Towards the end of the first vid hes selected piano sounds that were from the MP6 I think.The drop in quality is pretty apparent.
My Polish is not that good.

In the second vid he actualy gets a bit animated at one point.

Looking forward to his EP demo (and realy hoping he finds his inner Chick Corea)
Posted By: LarryMan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/18/14 01:38 PM
puff,

can you elaborate a bit more?

The digital recorder is what we hear on the videos?

Thanks

Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/18/14 04:56 PM
LarryMan…

Possibly the player has connected the line-out from the MP7 to the audio in on his video recorder. That's another possibility.

The best way to hear the samples will be when kawaimp.com/mp7 goes live.
At that point we should be able to go to SoundCloud and hear high quality samples from this new board. I'm checking SoundCloud daily, and I'll post anything that appears there for the MP7. James used the words "soon I hope," in answer to my question about when we might expect the kawaimp website to add the MP7.

Cheers!
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/18/14 09:33 PM
Well I assumed that as he un-plugs the recorder every time he talks and then back in when he plays that its all going on to the same digital file for later upload - no?
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/18/14 09:58 PM

Calling James, help

Can you answer my question about the EPs a few posts up -before it slips into oblivion.

Have you been working overtime on that new website?

Regards,
puff.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/18/14 11:38 PM
Originally Posted by puff
Well I assumed that as he un-plugs the recorder every time he talks and then back in when he plays that its all going on to the same digital file for later upload - no?


Yes, I'm pretty sure that's it.

The chap is connecting the MP7's line out's to the recorder's line in, and when he disconnects the cable the recorder switches back to the onboard mic.

James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/18/14 11:53 PM
Originally Posted by puff
Can you answer my question about the EPs a few posts up...


Okay, I'll try.

Originally Posted by puff
Id like to know if the main Rhodes sounds and the wurltizer are new samples or just the old ones - now re-procesed.


As far as I'm aware the main tine and reed EPs are also new - the same is true for many of the other sounds, even if their names remain unchanged from the MP6.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/19/14 12:32 AM

Thanks James,

So new sounds on the main EP1 and the Wurly - but not definately new samples.

I guess the sound demos planed for the kawaimp.co/MP7 site are
allready in the bag -but if not it would be usefull to have examples of the Rhodes and Wurly without any effects and just a touchof reverb.

The Yammy CP5 EPs sound authentic naked and Im finding in the MP11 Ep demos the bass notes sound a bit hyped.
Posted By: Rappy Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/19/14 04:50 AM
The MP7 looks 'the ticket' in many respects. I have it in my sights. Shame the keybed is basically 4 years old techwise though (save the 3rd sensor which is 2 years old). I wasn't that much a fan of the RH2 - feels a bit shallow if I remember correctly from the ES7 - I will revisit it when I get the chance.

The sound engine though shows promise, on paper at least. But this brings me to a grumble - when will we have a satisfactory demonstration of the piano samples? Can anyone really tell the quality of the piano sample banks with this horrific playing that is doing the rounds? The official Kawai dude is just, well, musically defective to be honest. And this Polish guy from the MusikMesse? I struggle for words. The cheap and bad harmonic shifts makes the samples clang, twang and artefact. I'm sure the engine is not like this in reality, but the question is out there and we won't be able to get a sense of the potential until someone who possesses just a little musicality demonstrates them. Please, Kawai, you surely have a roster of musical pianists available?

Maybe my only hope in testing the sounds is in finding one of the 5 places probably in the western world that will stock this on the shop floor.
Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/19/14 05:45 AM
Originally Posted by Rappy
The MP7 looks 'the ticket' in many respects. I have it in my sights. Shame the keybed is basically 4 years old techwise though (save the 3rd sensor which is 2 years old). I wasn't that much a fan of the RH2 - feels a bit shallow if I remember correctly from the ES7 - I will revisit it when I get the chance.

The sound engine though shows promise, on paper at least. But this brings me to a grumble - when will we have a satisfactory demonstration of the piano samples? Can anyone really tell the quality of the piano sample banks with this horrific playing that is doing the rounds? The official Kawai dude is just, well, musically defective to be honest. And this Polish guy from the MusikMesse? I struggle for words. The cheap and bad harmonic shifts makes the samples clang, twang and artefact. I'm sure the engine is not like this in reality, but the question is out there and we won't be able to get a sense of the potential until someone who possesses just a little musicality demonstrates them. Please, Kawai, you surely have a roster of musical pianists available?

Maybe my only hope in testing the sounds is in finding one of the 5 places probably in the western world that will stock this on the shop floor.


This is in my sights also. Right now it looks like it's between this and the CP4. (Actually I just noticed it looks like Kawai gives 5 year warranty - 2 years more than Yamaha's 3)

I have to agree that the demo's have not been all that great. Apparently it has the same Piano's as the MP11, however there is no guarantee that the demo's of the MP11 aren't making use of some parameter adjustments which are not available on the MP7.

As always, I think it's best to test them in the store for yourself (with your own headphones). I'm hoping to be able to do this myself later this month.
Posted By: LarryMan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/19/14 01:21 PM
His Kidd...thanks a lot,

Actually my question should be if the sound from the demonstration videos is something that is easily achievable my speakers? since sound from headphone is always better.







Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 04:07 AM
Are you guys not satisfied with the samples posted by Kawai?
http://www.kawai.de/mp7_en.htm#tabs-3

(click Demo and go down to the bottom for audio samples)
Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 04:13 AM
Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
Are you guys not satisfied with the samples posted by Kawai?
http://www.kawai.de/mp7_en.htm#tabs-3

(click Demo and go down to the bottom for audio samples)


No, they aren't satisfied. Those videos have been posted on here already.
Posted By: Rhodie73 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 12:08 PM
http://www.kraftmusic.com/sitesearch/?q=Kawai%20mp7

Looks like the price of the MP7 will be what I was figuring, $1799 at Kraft Music. 1k difference between it's bigger sibling like how the MP10 and MP6 were before the rebates, $2499 and $1499, respectively. Of course these are US prices. Not bad at all and I suspect it will really give the CP4 a run for the money! heck I'm considering parting with my P-255 and get one of these!

On a side note I found an excellent condition floor model CP5 for $999, at Guitar Center last week and had to pick it up. So now I'm probably going to part with the P-255 even though I will miss the speakers and the string resonance and probably pick up the MP7 when it's available. I'm going to start another thread about what I've come to realize between the CP4 and the CP5.

Back to the MP7, it looks like a steal can't wait to try one!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 12:25 PM
A CP5 for under $1k *is* a steal! Congrats!

James
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Posted By: Rhodie73 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
A CP5 for under $1k *is* a steal! Congrats!

James
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Thanks James!
Posted By: Dave Ferris Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Rhodie73
Originally Posted by Kawai James
A CP5 for under $1k *is* a steal! Congrats!

James
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Thanks James!


Oh yeah man, I'm jealous big time ! Congrats. I was going to bid on a *at home use* only CP5 on eBay yesterday at $1200. But literally 5 bids came in within the last 5 seconds of the auction and I lost out. It sold at $1365. I understand it's these auto sniping programs people use. I can't compete with that.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-CP5-...t=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item27e05044fb

The MP7 has drums and patterns right ? I remember the MP10 had them but can't recall if the MP6 did. If it does, how are they ? A huge reason I'm looking at another CP5 are the drums believe or not.. laugh

I need a keyboard/DP with built in drums & grooves for solo gigs I do where I play LH bass and do vocals. More often then not these days, it seems people want a groove or something "extra" going on then just straight piano & vocals.

Was considering a Kronos as sonically it's killin', but too much dough and too complex.

The CP5's drums had great swing, Latin and acoustic style patterns...better then any DP I'd heard. I wonder how the RD800's are ? The 700NX's weren't as good as the CP5's.

If the MP7's drum patterns are good, that would be enough to sway me over to it. I didn't hear any in the few online demos yet.
Posted By: Rhodie73 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 02:32 PM
Yes I agree that the CP5's drum patterns are very good and useful. I really just lucked out because I wanted to see if they had a Roland RD800 to try out, but walked out with a CP5! I believe the MP7 has drum patterns like its predecessor the MP6. Having owned the CP4 and now the CP5, I can say that I think he CP5 is somewhat better in terms of features and build quality. I really don't want to hijack this thread, so I will start another one later.
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 09:41 PM
So did you try out the rd800 as we'll ? If so , what did you think of it and why did you go for the cp5 in the end ?
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 10:08 PM
I think the $1,799 US price for the MP7 is very competitive. It's much more difficult to find Kawai instruments at GC/MF, and so that will stack up nicely against the $1870 discounted price of the CP4.

It would be great to be able to do a side-by-side comparison with the CP4/40 and the RD800. I suspect that the Yamaha would win the EP battle, but it might be quite a different story when the APs are compared. It's good that all these major contenders are now weighing in at less than 50lbs, although the CPs have almost a 10lbs advantage.

Rhodie73, I'm curious as to your opinion of the P255, and how you think the sound compares with the CP5. I know that's OT in this thread, so maybe you could address it in the new thread you intend to start.
Posted By: Turnabout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 11:00 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
I understand it's these auto sniping programs people use. I can't compete with that.


Sniping software like JBidWatcher is free.

But it doesn't have to be software. If there's something I really want I typically wait until the end of the auction, watch the countdown clock, then enter a final top bid when it gets to 7 seconds. Just for fun. Lots of times the current high bidder has a secret bid even higher and he wins, sometimes another bidder (whether using sniping software I cannot say) wins, but a good amount of the time I win, and usually below my top bid.

Never bid early, as it lets other potential bidders know there's interest in the item, and sometimes it initiates escalatory bidding in others.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/20/14 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
I think the $1,799 US price for the MP7 is very competitive. It's much more difficult to find Kawai instruments at GC/MF, and so that will stack up nicely against the $1870 discounted price of the CP4.


Who is selling the CP4 at $1870? All the online retailers appear to have it at $2199.

James
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Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 12:01 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by voxpops
I think the $1,799 US price for the MP7 is very competitive. It's much more difficult to find Kawai instruments at GC/MF, and so that will stack up nicely against the $1870 discounted price of the CP4.


Who is selling the CP4 at $1870? All the online retailers appear to have it at $2199.

James
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Yes, that's the MAP, but Guitar Center and Musician's Friend offer discount coupons periodically - usually 15%. If you time your purchase well, you can just show up at your local GC, wave the coupon at them, and they'll sell you the item at the discounted price. As long as the item is in stock at the warehouse (doesn't have to be in the store), there's usually no problem; however, if it's a special order or something not yet available from the manufacturer, you may have an indefinite wait.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 12:08 AM
Ah, I see.

Well, in that case $1,799 with the same 15% discount makes the MP7 an even more attractive proposition. wink

James
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Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Ah, I see.

Well, in that case $1,799 with the same 15% discount makes the MP7 an even more attractive proposition. wink

James
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It certainly does, but GC/MF are often slow to stock Kawai instruments. I certainly hope they get the new MPs.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 12:21 AM
I recall a post from someone who had purchased a VPC1 from Musician's Friend using the 15% discount, so I assume the same will work with the MP11/MP7 once the store adds it to their catalogue (at the time of writing their website still lists the MP10/MP6).

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Turnabout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 12:44 AM
Don't expect too many Guitar Center or Musicians Friend coupons in the near future. GC is in the process of being taken over by its main creditor Ares Capital, as it has $1.6 billion in debt, much of it remaining from its $2.7 billion leveraged buyout in 2007 by Bain Capital (the firm Mitt Romney co-founded). And MF is a subsidiary of GC.

Every year for the last several years MF had a 15%-off coupon for President's Day but this year it was a more modest sale on accessories only. It's not hard to see why considering how they're hemorrhaging cash. Guitar Center reported a net loss of $398.7 million in the quarter ended Sept. 30, compared with a $25.7 million loss a year earlier. At any rate, cost-cutting may be the order of the day there so don't count on big coupons now to lower prices.
Posted By: pwl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by Turnabout
Every year for the last several years MF had a 15%-off coupon for President's Day but this year it was a more modest sale on accessories only.

Hmm . . . I'm not so sure. I bought a P-255 from zZounds when they price matched (actually beat) a 15% off in-store quote from GC.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 12:54 AM
Yes, GC had the full 15%-off coupon this last Presidents' Day - and some pretty good specials, too.
Posted By: Turnabout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 12:56 AM
That is true, they had one 15% off sale this year. (And for the next 3 days they offer 15% on some gear if you use a GC credit card.) But they used to offer deals a lot more, and so did MF, which has only offered "15% Off Top Select Accessories" in 2014. The takeover by Ares has not yet been concluded, and it remains to be seen whether GC will continue to offer these discounts in the future.
Posted By: Turnabout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 01:00 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Yes, GC had the full 15%-off coupon this last Presidents' Day


Yes, I agree that GC had a limited 15% coupon, which did include Yamaha and other in-stock pianos but not "Ampeg, Apogee Duets, Apple, Audix, Bose, Crate, Crown, DBX, Digitech, Edirol, ESP, EVH, Fender, some Gibson and Epiphone, Gretsch guitars, Jackson, JBL, KRK, Lexicon, Mackie, Martin, Mesa Boogie, Peavey, QSC, some Roland/BOSS products, Royer Labs, Shure, Soundcraft, Squier, SWR, and select Korg, Marshall, Vox"

And MF did not offer any similar coupon as they have done in years past. The company is in over a billion dollars in debt and lost a quarter-billion in just one quarter last year, so I'm just saying not to count on the discount coupon party continuing...
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 01:01 AM
If they do discontinue the coupons (although that is by no means certain), the MP7 will still come in well under 2k, which may well be a barrier, psychological or otherwise, for many players.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by Turnabout
Yes, I agree that GC had a limited 15% coupon, which did include Yamaha and other in-stock pianos but not "Ampeg, Apogee Duets, Apple, Audix, Bose, Crate, Crown, DBX, Digitech, Edirol, ESP, EVH, Fender, some Gibson and Epiphone, Gretsch guitars, Jackson, JBL, KRK, Lexicon, Mackie, Martin, Mesa Boogie, Peavey, QSC, some Roland/BOSS products, Royer Labs, Shure, Soundcraft, Squier, SWR, and select Korg, Marshall, Vox"

The exclusion list does not apply when you show up in the store. It's the same when you call MF in person. However, if you try to use the coupons online, they will not be accepted for most things.
Posted By: Turnabout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 01:29 AM
The printed coupons had the exclusion list.

If the stores were accepting the coupons for excluded items... no wonder they're in such bad financial shape!
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 01:36 AM
My last coupon purchase from GC was the Roland FP-50 (one of the so-called excluded items).

To be honest, I'm not sure it's the coupons that have caused the problems; they generate a lot of extra sales. The use of coupons certainly peaked during the depths of the recent recession, and that may have been instrumental (no pun intended) in keeping GC/MF going through hard times. The financial issue is more likely connected to the cost of running hundreds of brick and mortar stores in competition with those who maintain only a central base and an online presence.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 02:04 AM



Thanks for the heads up - I totaly missed those demo-clips!

You need to scroll down passed the videos.

The MP7 sounds great in those clips.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m3WC-gbd_xs

I just found this new U-tube MP7 flick (one of those Polish ones) It realy comes across as an inspirng instrument.With those 4 knobs its now easy to sculpt the sound in a musical way.

I think its now the instrument I had hoped for when I got the MP6. The Organs and even synths sound killer!

And did I say that you can now STORE A DIFFERENT TOUTCH CURVE IN EACH USER REGISTRATION!

Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 02:09 AM

Meant to say that the sound clips are on the German www.kawai.de website.

http://www.kawai.de/mp7_en.htm
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 02:12 AM
I'll be adding those MP7 audio clips to the Soundcloud page shortly (we need them for the website), and perhaps a handful of others if I find the time... wink

There's also a playlist of the Musikmesse clips on the MP Youtube page and facebook.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 02:15 AM

Voxpops
Maybe you should start a new "Dose Guitar Centre still sell Guitars" thread. wink
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 02:20 AM
Originally Posted by puff

Voxpops
Maybe you should start a new "Dose Guitar Centre still sell Guitars" thread. wink

I would, but the whole subject of guitars makes me yawn! wink
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 02:24 AM
James
Do you remember about 3 years ago I asked (or pestered)you If the different toutch curves could be added to the MP6 in an OS update?
Just wondered if many other users requested this feature?
Any way mucho thanks for listening.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 02:28 AM

Yeah, I prefer just playin'em too!

Night night!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/21/14 02:38 AM
Originally Posted by puff
Do you remember about 3 years ago I asked (or pestered)you If the different toutch curves could be added to the MP6 in an OS update?
Just wondered if many other users requested this feature?
Any way mucho thanks for listening.


Yes, I remember you asking. wink

I believe a number of MP6 owners made similar requests. We tried to refine the touch curves for piano and EP playing, and I recall some users appreciated the improvements. However, it didn't really address the request for separate (non-global) touch curves. Unfortunately, this restriction was part of the MP OS, which I assume dated back to the MP8 architecture...if not the MP9000, so it was difficult to overcome without a considerable re-write.

The MP7 architecture is very similar to the MP11, and therefore far more flexible, allowing touch curves for individual sounds and zones.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/22/14 12:14 AM

Thanks James,

If I remember correctly the updated OS for the MP6 improved the Acoustic piano touch and dynamics only.I always like EPs to have a different curve. Anyway this is now academic.
Im thinking that the MP7 can now use the triple pedal unit as it
has four(?) pedal jack sockets.

Is this the case?
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/22/14 05:38 AM
Originally Posted by ando
Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
Are you guys not satisfied with the samples posted by Kawai?
http://www.kawai.de/mp7_en.htm#tabs-3

(click Demo and go down to the bottom for audio samples)


No, they aren't satisfied. Those videos have been posted on here already.


Note that I said *audio samples, which are below the videos. There is more variety of sounds and higher quality audio. I think the piano tones sound nice. I can hear a pretty distinct difference between the MP7, the CA65, and the ES7, liking them in that order.
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/22/14 05:42 AM
Originally Posted by Turnabout
Originally Posted by voxpops
Yes, GC had the full 15%-off coupon this last Presidents' Day


Yes, I agree that GC had a limited 15% coupon, which did include Yamaha and other in-stock pianos but not "Ampeg, Apogee Duets, Apple, Audix, Bose, Crate, Crown, DBX, Digitech, Edirol, ESP, EVH, Fender, some Gibson and Epiphone, Gretsch guitars, Jackson, JBL, KRK, Lexicon, Mackie, Martin, Mesa Boogie, Peavey, QSC, some Roland/BOSS products, Royer Labs, Shure, Soundcraft, Squier, SWR, and select Korg, Marshall, Vox"

And MF did not offer any similar coupon as they have done in years past. The company is in over a billion dollars in debt and lost a quarter-billion in just one quarter last year, so I'm just saying not to count on the discount coupon party continuing...


Sometimes if you call or go to the online support chat they will still honor the coupon. I just did that with a Yamaha keyboard not long ago. The webpage said Yamaha was excluded but the guy said most places would honor it if you ask. Guitar Center's asking prices are not the lowest so they can afford to make deals.
Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/22/14 12:06 PM


Nicely priced at $1,799 in US:

http://www.kraftmusic.com/kawai-mp7-professional-stage-piano.html



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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/26/14 02:50 AM
The MP7 manual dose not include the Brilliance parameter - present in the MP11.

So the big question on the minds of lovers of authentic piano emulation is...

...is this an omission in the writing or transcription of the manual?

Because; if the MP7 "contains the same piano sounds as the MP7" the parameters for the sound engines must be the same.

So James, Could you consult with the Mannual Administration Depaptment to asertain whether its the manual or the MP7 which is deficient. grin
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/26/14 02:54 AM
Sorry -typo (ha ha!)

Should have read... "same piano sounds as the flagship MP11"
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/26/14 02:57 AM
The manual is correct, the MP7 does not include the 'Brilliance' Virtual Technician parameter.

I gather that this is due to the way the Virtual Technician is implemented on the MP7 (zones) compared to the MP11 (sections).

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/27/14 01:19 AM

Significant ommision in my view.It's the nearest thing to a hammer hardness adjustment.
In the MP11 vid - the one with the english voice over - the guy (with the annoyingly precise diction)actually states that you can alter the hardness of the hammers.
He also calls tines teens - bless him.

Would not have missed other parameters like fallback noise or
damper clunk - who needs 'em.

If enough future MP7 owners ask for it could it be implimented in a future O.S. update for the MP7?

I will lead the charge! thumb
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/27/14 02:04 AM
Originally Posted by puff
Significant ommision in my view.It's the nearest thing to a hammer hardness adjustment.
In the MP11 vid - the one with the english voice over - the guy (with the annoyingly precise diction)actually states that you can alter the hardness of the hammers.


When referencing hammer hardness, I expect the video is referring to the instrument's 'Voicing' Virtual Technician parameter.

Regarding the narration itself, I'm reluctant to comment as this video was produced by my colleagues at Kawai Europe.

Originally Posted by puff
If enough future MP7 owners ask for it could it be implimented in a future O.S. update for the MP7?


No, I'm afraid it will not possible to add the 'Brightness' parameter - even with a software update.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/27/14 02:38 AM
The MP7 has the 'Voicing' parameter - which includes Normal, Mellow 1/2, Dynamic, and Bright 1/2. And, this can be controlled by one of the assignable control knobs. So basically you have your brightness.

It's on P52 of the manual.
Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/27/14 03:57 AM
Yeah, what's all the fuss about a brightness/brilliance knob? Just adjust the EQ a bit and you're all good. Brightness isn't some magical parameter with mysterious attributes. It's just another way of adjusting the EQ.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/27/14 03:44 PM
If it was a mater of product differentiation then why bother as its just one parameter.
If it dose alter the resultant piano sound in a useful and musical way then why leave it off the MP7 which is supposed to now share the same architecture.

The MP6 had the "Voicing" adjustment but for me I found it useless and left it in default setting.

On the Yamaha CP5 the Brightness has nothing to do with EQ and I found it very useful.

Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/27/14 03:58 PM
The CP5's "Brightness" was actually called Hammer Hardness and was probably part of the modelling element of the sound.

So what dose this parameter alter in the MP11 sound engine?

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/28/14 12:42 AM
Originally Posted by puff
If it was a mater of product differentiation then why bother as its just one parameter.


I don't believe it's a matter of product differentiation - indeed one of the objectives of the MP7 was to deliver the same sound quality as the MP11. However, due to the way the MP7's EFX modules are organised, it is not possible to implement the 'Brightness' parameter.

Originally Posted by puff
If it dose alter the resultant piano sound in a useful and musical way then why leave it off the MP7 which is supposed to now share the same architecture.


Yes, the MP7 and MP11 do share the same architecture, however the tone generator is arranged differently for the two instruments. Again, it's not a case of purposely leaving 'Brightness' off of the MP7, but rather that it's not possible to implement the function with the instrument's operation.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/28/14 02:07 AM

OK I'll shut up now.

On a positive note I noticed that the back of the MP7 looks totally flat with a 90 degree bottom edge - the MP6 has a curved
bottom edge which, with the powder type paint finish made it hard to grab and lift off the keyboard stand.
So its now a bit more gig-friendly.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/31/14 01:58 AM

James,
Can the Kawai two pedal unit be used on the MP7 with the same funcionality as the three pedal one? I mean can you still asign different CCs etc.Im guessing they each have two jack plugs.

Thanks.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 03/31/14 02:04 AM
Originally Posted by puff
Can the Kawai two pedal unit be used on the MP7 with the same funcionality as the three pedal one? I mean can you still asign different CCs etc.


Yes. While it's perhaps preferable to use the F-30 triple pedal unit, it's still possible to use the F-20 double pedal in conjunction with the included F-10H and reassign the pedals for triple-pedal functionality.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Alleycat6315 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/02/14 12:11 AM
My MP7 has finally arrived! Haven't had much chance to give it a workout yet, but did manage to load all my setups from my MP6 to the MP7. It is different negotiating the editing procedure but, I think once I get used to it, it will be quicker &, as a last resort, may have to look at the manual for some things. Have got a small job on tonight so will take it along for that. According to the specs, it should fit into my MP6 road case.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/02/14 03:09 AM
Originally Posted by Alleycat6315
My MP7 has finally arrived! Haven't had much chance to give it a workout yet, but did manage to load all my setups from my MP6 to the MP7. It is different negotiating the editing procedure but, I think once I get used to it, it will be quicker &, as a last resort, may have to look at the manual for some things. Have got a small job on tonight so will take it along for that. According to the specs, it should fit into my MP6 road case.

Congratulations! You must be one of the first owners worldwide.

I'm sure many of us would love to hear how it compares to the MP6 in terms of sound and action (I know I would...).
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/02/14 06:32 AM
Originally Posted by Alleycat6315
My MP7 has finally arrived!


Congrats!

Originally Posted by Alleycat6315
...as a last resort, may have to look at the manual for some things.


wink

I look forward to reading your thoughts (and comparisons with the MP6) after you've had a chance to play it a little more.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Alleycat6315 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/03/14 03:13 AM
I'm sure many of us would love to hear how it compares to the MP6 in terms of sound and action (I know I would...). [/quote]

Thank you voxpops & Kawai James. I was pretty excited.
The piano sounds are a definate improvement on the MP6 and the feel of the action was better too, felt more responsive & firmer (although I have given my MP6 a pretty hard work out in it's time!) I haven't gone into the editing of the sounds much yet but I did load all my previous setups from the MP6 to the 7 & they came through ok although some of the synth sounds have now changed so will have to check those. It is taking a bit to get used to the navigation of the editing system but I think once I get used to it, it should be easier as you can use the knobs as well as the -/no & +/yes buttons to change values which is handy. I didn't take the manual with me last night & was getting a bit frustrated trying to find how to change a tone in a set up but finally figured it out. You have to enter a setup & then press the exit button. You go from set up mode to sound mode, but all the sounds from that setup are in the 4 zones and can be changed & edited & then saved back to that setup. I haven't been able to find this in the manual so I'm glad I worked it out! I tried playing some MP3s through the USB (great to have it on the front rather than the back!) and it was easy to work out. The default volume is really loud though, not sure if this can be changed & saved yet? Maybe by doing a power on setup? Love that I don't have to keep looking behind now to see where to plug the damper pedal or other leads in, they're marked above on the back edge, so simple but a huge+, don't know why I didn't think of doing that myself on other keyboards? It does fit nicely into my MP6 case, which was previously from my MP5 so that is a bonus & has saved me around $500 (the cost of a new custom built NovaForge roadcase)
One thing that was a bit of a negative & may be able to be changed with a system update is when playing in a setup & changing to another setup, the MP6 would sustain all the sounds when you changed over. In sound mode on the MP7, they will sustain if you select another sound but not if you go from sound to setup? Do you know if that can be fixed James, or what the reason for it is? Not a big issue, but if changing from one setup to another mid song can be noticable.
Was playing it last night through a small 150watt powered speaker. Have a gig on the weekend outdoors through a big system. Will really look forward to playing / hearing it through that!

Cheers,

Alleycat
Posted By: Joe Garfield Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/03/14 04:12 AM
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston


I honestly think this is the best value DP on the market. I absolutely love my MP and it's a generation behind this one. Finally you get really good action, a ton of functionality AND plenty of quality acoustic piano tones AND tons of tone editing, for easily under $2000!

I chose the MP10 over the MP7 due mostly to the timing/availability. I really like the wood keys of the MP10 but I don't know that I would have made the same choice if both were sitting side-by-side, with the MP7 being $500 or more less.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/03/14 11:42 PM

I didn't take the manual with me last night & was getting a bit frustrated trying to find how to change a tone in a set up but finally figured it out.
You have to enter a setup & then press the exit button. You go from set up mode to sound mode, but all the sounds from that setup are in the 4 zones and can be changed @ edited @ then saved back to that setup.

Alleycat [/quote]

Thats worth noting.

Been quoted a great price here in UK from Promenade Music

£1079 for the MP7 (that's cheaper than the MP6 was three years ago)
And £1550 for the MP11 (very tempting but for the weight)


Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/04/14 01:33 AM
Alleycat6315, thank you for posting your early experiences of the MP7.

One 'trick' to briefly show the sound assigned to a zone during SETUP mode, is to press and hold one of the F1~F4 buttons while the play screen is shown.

I'll try to respond to some of the points you raised.

Originally Posted by Alleycat6315
The default volume is really loud though, not sure if this can be changed & saved yet?


I just test this with some MP3s on copied to a USB stick. On the MP7 I have here the default volume is 50 (out of 100), which was a comfortable level for my ears. Once adjusted, the playback level will remain until the power is switched, however it's not currently possible to store this setting to PowerOn memory.

Originally Posted by Alleycat6315
One thing that was a bit of a negative & may be able to be changed with a system update is when playing in a setup & changing to another setup, the MP6 would sustain all the sounds when you changed over.


Again, I just tried this, cycling through the PIANO setups and holding notes with the pedal. The sound changes naturally without abrupt changes, however I do not have an MP6 here for comparison.

I noticed that if a setup uses very different effect settings there will be a sound change when the first note using the new setup is pressed (i.e. not when selecting the setup button itself) but I think this is unavoidable as the DSP needs to be reset.

When changing tonewheel organ presets there will be a momentary break in the sound in order to reset the tone generator.

Originally Posted by Alleycat6315
In sound mode on the MP7, they will sustain if you select another sound but not if you go from sound to setup?


Did you mean going from setup to setup?

I'm using a beta firmware, due for release soon, so perhaps this behaviour has been changed? Please try the latest OS when it's available - I'll post info here and on the facebook page.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: musicman100 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/04/14 11:29 AM
Originally Posted by puff

I didn't take the manual with me last night & was getting a bit frustrated trying to find how to change a tone in a set up but finally figured it out.
You have to enter a setup & then press the exit button. You go from set up mode to sound mode, but all the sounds from that setup are in the 4 zones and can be changed @ edited @ then saved back to that setup.

Alleycat


Thats worth noting.

Been quoted a great price here in UK from Promenade Music

£1079 for the MP7 (that's cheaper than the MP6 was three years ago)
And £1550 for the MP11 (very tempting but for the weight)


[/quote]

I have just been quotes £1099 from promenade music!! Do you order form them?

thanks

Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/04/14 12:00 PM

Sorry It was my mistake - should be £1099 - still £100 less than
the competition.
Posted By: BarryDMD Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/04/14 01:08 PM
Can anyone compare the MP7 to the Roland RD-800 ?
Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/04/14 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by BarryDMD
Can anyone compare the MP7 to the Roland RD-800 ?


Well, here's the obvious for now until we can all get our hands on a MP7:

[Linked Image]

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Posted By: musicman100 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/04/14 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by puff

Sorry It was my mistake - should be £1099 - still £100 less than
the competition.


No the price is 1079 its on the web site now

http://www.promenademusic.co.uk/kawai-mp7

So he quoted me the wrong price and you the right price.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/04/14 10:43 PM
It's only 20 quid chaps...
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/05/14 12:19 PM

Theres mo such thing as the right or wrong price.

If you want an MP7 I would contact them (Promenade Music)now
cause that price on thier site is not fixed and I was told will rise soon.

Anywys, that unit has my name on it ! YAY!!!!!
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/09/14 01:30 AM

James,
When will the www.kawaimp.com/mp7 be going live?

The EP1 demos up there right now have a couple "Casquade" and "Busy Ashante"- the jazzy ones - where the "bell" sound is a bit less pronounced.I was wondering if that was the basic sound without any effects or the result of using a different amp sim or choice of microphone (Dynamic or Condenser type?)

Can you spill any beans?



Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/09/14 02:13 AM
puff, we hope to have the MP7 content online soon. Much of it is very similar to the MP11 content as both models share a lot in common, however there are obviously some important differences in the action and sound selection.

We're also improving some portions of the existing MP11 site at the same time.

Regarding the EP sounds, those two demos were provided by Kawai Australia and recorded by Greg Coffin. I do believe Greg opted for a cleaner, more direct sound without the effects (and possible amp sim), which may explain the tonal character of those demos.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/10/14 12:38 AM

Well Greg Coffin plays some tasty chords - I'll be happy with just that Rhodes sound.

My MP7 is on its way to me as I write.
Will send my impressions on the weekend as I'm going to gigs on the next three consecutive nights.

BTW James, cool can I buy direct shares in Kawai? cool

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/10/14 12:55 AM
Congrats!

Which gigs are you going to, btw?

I recently saw Zainichi Funk, who put on a really great show of 60's JB-influenced funk and soul, in a similar vein as Osaka Monaurail.

Regarding shares, yes, I believe it's possible using some broker firms. Here is Kawai's ticker:

https://www.google.com/finance?q=TYO:7952

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: suniil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/10/14 06:28 AM
Congratulations Puff! I just missed that price, as It gone up to £1139. Daughter have a Roland FP4 and bit keen to upgrade to something better.

Originally Posted by puff

If you want an MP7 I would contact them (Promenade Music)now
cause that price on thier site is not fixed and I was told will rise soon.
Posted By: musicman100 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/10/14 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Congrats!

Regarding shares, yes, I believe it's possible using some broker firms. Here is Kawai's ticker:

https://www.google.com/finance?q=TYO:7952

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I might buy some- I do some trading on shares and the Div/yield 4.00/2.19 is not bad especially since I am only getting about 2 to 3 interest in a saving account.

Anyway can I ask in the mp7 will fit on the Stand HM-4 ?? If not what is the one you recommend?
I like the K&M 18810.

I am know thinking of getting the mp7 over the es7 just with it been newer technology and more sounds. I have been offered a good deal on it!! Just sorting out speakers and stand.


Posted By: musicman100 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/10/14 02:35 PM
In the midi sequencer in the mp7 is it 2 tracks like the es7?

Also what bag do people recommend?

Would it help getting one with wheels?

Although the bags with wheels add another 6kg or so to the weight. has anyone expereince with them?

thanks


Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/10/14 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by musicman100
Anyway can I ask in the mp7 will fit on the Stand HM-4 ??


The HM-4 is only intended to be used with the ES7. It may well fit the MP7 (I've never tried), however without the necessary thumbscrew holes in the MP7 base, there is no way to secure the instrument to the stand.

I would therefore recommend a different stand - the K&M 18810 is a good choice, along with the K&M 18950, which I use at home.

Originally Posted by musicman100
I am know thinking of getting the mp7 over the es7 just with it been newer technology and more sounds. I have been offered a good deal on it!! Just sorting out speakers and stand.


Good stuff - I know you've been split between which board to go for for a while...either will be fine, however the MP7 is undoubtedly the more flexible instrument.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/10/14 11:30 PM
Well my gig tonight was a local band on tour with Crista-Bell called Candy Says sort of intelligent pop for adults.
Tomorrow its a nine piece Columbian band from London called Manteca - worth checking thier u-tubes as the pianist has some drive and chops and - big sideboards!

I'm more of an OR fan than JB - I get a bit bored of that ninth chord!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/10/14 11:34 PM
Originally Posted by musicman100
In the midi sequencer in the mp7 is it 2 tracks like the es7?


No, the MP7/MP11 internal song recorder is just one track (10 song memories). It's not really intended as a full-blown sequencer - more as something to sketch ideas. If you require additional tracks, you could perhaps record to USB (as WAV) then overdub the recording as many times as necessary.

Originally Posted by musicman100
Also what bag do people recommend?


I believe Kawai Europe produced a gig bag (with wheels) for the ES6/MP6 which is also suitable for the ES7/MP7:

[Linked Image]

Your dealer/Kawai UK should be able to provide more information regarding pricing and availability.

Originally Posted by musicman100
Would it help getting one with wheels?


If you plan to transport the board regularly, over relatively long distances, the wheels are useful yes.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/11/14 12:20 AM

That Kawai branded bag is available from Thomman in Europe.Made by Soundwear.They also make an identical Soundwear Stagebag 88
both have two double roller wheels.

Not available in the UK but Thomman will ship it.

Costs £122 or 148 euros.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/11/14 12:29 AM
Thanks for the info puff!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/11/14 12:38 AM
Hi James,
You seem to be always posting the same time as me. Are you having breakfast over there in Japan?
Before I go to bed I have one Question for you in the MP11/7 Update thread.
See you over there?

puff (alias the magic dragon)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/11/14 12:48 AM
I've already had my breakfast (nice bowl of warm porridge).

It's 9:45am over here - I'm at the office, currently making corrections to some MP11/MP7 leaflets.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/13/14 01:13 AM

Got the MP7 temporarily set up in my workshop and spent a few hours going through the presets and investigating the extensive editing a bit.

Got to say - Iv'e got a bit more money to spare these days - but I think I would be willing to part another £500 for this board.Its worth that much more over the old MP6 which I owned.

The overall physical look is classy, the user interface is easy to navigate without using the manual (so far)and lots of new features are inteligentely integrated.

Im finding the Grand pianos (the first four)to have a nice spacial feel with an airyness (sorry if Casio have trade-marked that word)to them.Play very well with the crisp and responsive action.(I wonder if Kawai have improved the "Ivory" surface - its good - but my MP6's keys became shiny after a year of playing.)
The Mono Pianos: I dont think they are same samples as the grands rendered to mono.There are noticable groups of notes that have a different sound quality to those adjasent.

The Upright sample is simply a joy to play - more so than the Petrof in the Nord Piano.Me Likey!

Im listerning through powered Opera PA speakers nothing to hi-fi but they are 15ins woofers with a 1 ins horns.

I dont play much classical music - more of a jazz fusion/ pop guy so Im looking for a good Rhodes sound and Wurly.
The main Rhodes (EP1)is good as out of the box but I very quickly
made it into something fonky just changing the amp sim to a Rotary on stop ( never before liked a leslie FX on a Rhodes)Then EFx2 to Overdrive+ (Dual with Tremolo)- mess with parameters to taste and still have the Mod wheel controlling Sterio-pan!

Im a happy Bunny - now I just need to shift that plastic keyboard with pretty good Rhodes sounds airless APs and an interface designed by a technocrat.
That would be the CP4.


Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/13/14 01:21 AM
Originally Posted by suniil
Congratulations Puff! I just missed that price, as It gone up to £1139. Daughter have a Roland FP4 and bit keen to upgrade to something better.

Originally Posted by puff

If you want an MP7 I would contact them (Promenade Music)now
cause that price on thier site is not fixed and I was told will rise soon.


Nah! Just give'em a call and ask for Dave 'e give you veeery goood pwice!



Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/14/14 12:54 AM
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/15/14 09:53 AM
Great review !

http://azpianonews.blogspot.fr/2014...ge-lowest-price-BEST-BUY-under-2000.html
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/15/14 11:30 AM

Yes a great and mostly accurate review.

Im so excited about this board!!!!

The reviewer said that an I-pad plugged into the inputs on the MP7 can be assigned to one of the four zones.
Maybe he got a bit excited cause I DONT think that can happen.

He also says that the new endcaps are now made of mahogany.
Duuuurrrrhhhhh!

Actually they are probably something like poplar (sometimes called tulip) covered in brown treacle. grin

I may take them off strip off the varnish and make them black.

You know - like a real Kawai piano. cool
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/15/14 11:36 PM

James - You out there having breakfast?

Is it true about the I-pad routing to a zone on the instrument?

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/16/14 12:39 AM


Thanks for posting - it's quite a read!

James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/16/14 12:47 AM
Originally Posted by puff
James - You out there having breakfast?


I've already eaten. wink

Originally Posted by puff
Is it true about the I-pad routing to a zone on the instrument?


Yes, this is correct.

If a zone is set to EXT (or BOTH) mode, and its MIDI channel also set accordingly, it should be possible to control a connected iPad by assigning CC#s to the instrument's control knobs.

You could also connect the iPad's headphone output to the MP7's Line In jacks to mix both audio source, and adjust the level balance from the instrument's Line In panel fader.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/16/14 01:46 AM
My mistake - I spose with the Camera conversion kit thingy its just another midi module.
I thought he meant that you could get it to play in a zone by routing it through the audio inputs which would be some kind of witchcraft grin

James Can you check something out and report back your findings?

In the piano sec. there are four "New Age Pianos" Nos. 1 2 and 3...they are the usual spacey acoustic with some pad madness going on (WTF?)...so far so mundane,but No. 4 (either four of three) is an EP sounding a bit like a Pianet with no New Ageyness going on at all.

Programed a bit and with some Trem and a bit of Soft Phaser (Dont forget to mess with the resonance param.)and Im
George Duke backing Flora Purim!

So whats the deal? Is it an AP sounding like an EP or a sampled EP? It has no fall-back noise no pedal noise and other params like the AP's but it dose have SYMPATHETIC RESONANCE!!!

A first for Kawai. cool



Edited for my crap spelling.
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/16/14 04:59 AM
You could edit one more time , it's "sympathetic resonance" ...;)

(Next time I'm sure you will correct me , I'm french ,I often make english mistakes ...)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/16/14 05:23 AM
Originally Posted by puff
In the piano sec. there are four "New Age Pianos" Nos. 1 2 and 3...they are the usual spacey acoustic with some pad madness going on (WTF?)...so far so mundane,but No. 4 (either four of three) is an EP sounding a bit like a Pianet with no New Ageyness going on at all.

Programed a bit and with some Trem and a bit of Soft Phaser (Dont forget to mess with the resonance param.)and Im
George Duke backing Flora Purim!


Interesting find! I just gave that sound a quick try...you're right, it's not so 'new age-y' as the others, but there is still a breathy/pan-pipey character, especially towards the lower octaves. I expect it could be tweaked with the sound edit parameters to get a more aggressive character (I personally like this sound), although it seems that you're already happy with your own George Duke edits. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/17/14 01:53 AM

Freak OUT!

You mean the sound on the first number? Sounds like a piano but a bit honkytonk or is it the Nord /yammy CP? or do my laptop speakers need up-grading?
Loved the trombone number.Cissy Strut too.

Polyester turtle-necks look obligatory - or is that your usual office wear? Your front man is even wearing polyester pants!
Good grief!
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/17/14 01:58 AM
Thanks. I need every bit of help!

But we English usually write "english" with a capital "E" wink

(Apart from that I would have never guessed you were from the other side of the channel!)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/17/14 02:09 AM
Originally Posted by puff
You mean the sound on the first number?


No, the Pianet sound used in the solo from 6m20s in the linked clip.

Glad you dug the sound...and the threads too. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/18/14 12:45 AM
James,
Will check out the Pianet sound.

Sorry to harp on but...

So whats the deal? Is it an AP sounding like an EP or a sampled EP? It has no fall-back noise no pedal noise and other params like the AP's but it dose have SYMPATHETIC RESONANCE!!!
[/quote]



Confused MP7 owners want to know - so could we have an authoritative opinion.

It the only "New Age" sound that will live henceforth in my keyoard.I dont think it was in the MP6 so maybe the programers
were having a bit of a laugh.





Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/18/14 12:48 AM
It could be! wink

I don't know I'm afraid - I just do the manuals and marketing.

James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/18/14 01:02 AM

And there's me thinking you hang out with the sound guys down at the nightclub.

BTW One of my customers recently (and coincedentaly in the last week)let slip that he has a piano type thing (Pianet)in his garage that once belonged to his dad and asked if I would be interested.I feigned slight interest and left it at that.
They sell for not much (Like £200 to £300)so Im not sure I need another project to sit on.
Will go and look anyway as he lives nearby.
You ever played one?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/18/14 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by puff
And there's me thinking you hang out with the sound guys down at the nightclub.


The other chaps in the band work for Yamaha.

Originally Posted by puff
BTW One of my customers recently (and coincedentaly in the last week)let slip that he has a piano type thing (Pianet)in his garage that once belonged to his dad and asked if I would be interested.I feigned slight interest and left it at that.
They sell for not much (Like £200 to £300)so Im not sure I need another project to sit on.
Will go and look anyway as he lives nearby.


Oooh, nice! I believe they can be difficult to maintain, but if it's in reasonably good condition it might be worth taking a punt on.

Originally Posted by puff
You ever played one?


No, unfortunately not. But I fell in love with that sticky, crunchy sound after hearing Joe Sample playing an aggressively voiced/mic'd Pianet on the Jazz Crusaders 'Live at the Lighthouse '69' album. wink

Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/18/14 10:22 AM


Good news!
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Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 12:40 AM
Dear Friends,
I am new to this forum (please excuse my awkwardness), but not new to Kawai pianos. I have a Kawai R1 acoustic grand piano, one of the finest pianos I've ever played. I also used to have the original Kawai MP9000. I now have a Kawai MP9500 and MP5. I am looking to replace the MP9500 with the new MP11 or MP7, but I have one important question I need to get clear about first:

Both the MP5 and MP9500 use the "zones" layout, which allows me to layer acoustic piano sounds. Generally, I find digital pianos, no matter how good, to be a bit "thin" -- lacking something of the fullness and richness of tone of an acoustic grand. I have found I can overcome a good bit of this limitation by layering acoustic piano sounds. For example, on my MP9500 I like to layer the Concert Grand sound (75%) with the Mellow Grand sound (25%). The result is far superior to any sound I can get with any single acoustic piano sound. The downside is the very limited polyphony of the MP9500 is further reduced.

One (of many) advantages of the MP7 or MP11 is the greatly enhanced polyphony. HOWEVER, I have heard that on the MP11 you CANNOT layer acoustic piano sounds! -- that you can only layer sounds from different "sections" -- thus you can layer an acoustic piano sound with an electric piano sound, but not two acoustic piano sounds. Is this true? It would make it impossible for me to create the full, rich, customized piano sounds that I like to make by layering. I hope that what I have heard about this is WRONG! It would seem to be a very unfortunate and puzzling limitation!

By contrast, the MP7 still used the older "zones" layout, which I very much prefer (maybe I'm just used to it). So, can you layer two (or more, up to four) acoustic piano sounds on the MP7, even if you cannot on the MP11?

This is a very big question for me. I am a long-time acoustic pianist and would prefer the MP11 because of the grand piano action. However, if you can't layer acoustic piano sounds on it, that would GREATLY reduce the value of the instrument for me. Maybe I would like the MP7, if it does not have this limitation. But what I think I would really like is the action of the MP11 with the rest of the MP7!

I very much appreciate any clarification on this issue. Thank you.

Savante
Posted By: doremi Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 03:49 AM
Welcome to the forum, Savante!

Our resident expert KawaiJames should be able to address the 'zones' vs. 'sections' issue with authority.

Just want to note that it is remarkable that you were able to layer 2 piano sounds from the same source without any phasing or other issues. 256 polyphony may allow for the layering of 4 piano sounds, each one tweaked individually for optimum performance in each part of the ADSR envelope cool cool cool cool
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 04:51 AM
Hi doremi,

Thanks for the note. I look forward to hearing from KawaiJames. I do lots of layering with synths too, and have only rarely encountered phasing or other problems. Mostly I find it to be a great technique for creating great sounds with maximum control. I'm not sure if I would go to the trouble of a 4-layer piano, but it might be an interesting experiment.

Because of the low polyphony issue on my MP9500, I also make a layered piano using the Concert Grand sound on the MP9500 layered with the sampled piano sound in my Korg M3 workstation synthesizer. It works amazingly well! The Concert Grand in the MP 9500 is very clear and focused, but rather thin and a little cold (hard to describe a timbre in words!). The M3 piano is warm, full, but lacks focus and clarity. So the two complement each other quite nicely. The combination makes quite a nice piano sound -- better than I've heard on most digital pianos. And no phasing or tuning issues!

I've read a lot of the posts on this forum -- especially about the Kawai digital pianos. I'm wondering how much the MP7 and MP11 sounds differ from what I have on my MP9500 and MP5? Though the MP5 is a couple generations newer, I actually find that the Concert Grand sound on it sounds more "digital" and artificial than the older MP9500, which I find to have a more natural sound. This makes me a little wary of assuming that newer is necessarily better.

Another oddity is that the key dip is deeper on my MP9500 than on my Kawai acoustic grand. I am hoping that the new Grand Feel action on the MP11 is more like my acoustic. The action on the Kawai R1 is simply the finest action I've ever experienced on any piano and I've played a lot of very expensive acoustic pianos. The tone is also fantastic -- it's a dream piano. But for various reasons I'm not able to play it as much as I might like, and the digital has become a very important instrument for me.

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 05:58 AM
Hello Savante, welcome to the forum!

Regarding the MP11's sections functionality, you are correct - I'm afraid it is not possible to layer two acoustic pianos together.

The MP11's piano sounds are technically far superior to any of those in the MP9500 or MP5, with a wide variety of adjustment parameters. You may therefore find that it is not necessary to layer two piano sound together in order to achieve the desired tonal character.

Regarding the 'Grand Feel' action's key-dip, I'm afraid I do not have any information about this specification, or how it may compare to the action of your R-1. However, the key pivot length of the 'Grand Feel' action is equivalent to that of an acoustic grand, so should feel similar to your R-1.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 06:08 AM
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Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 06:27 AM
Hi James,
Thank you very much for your prompt response. I too would think that I probably wouldn't feel the need to layer sounds on the MP11. Even so, I'm still interested -- is this possible on the MP7? There are some very desirable things about the MP7 and this layering ability (of two acoustic piano sounds) would be an interesting option if it's available.

I play a lot in just intonation, and therefore the tuning ability of the MP series has been very important to me. (Actually, it's there because of me! I campaigned hard with Kawai personnel, in many conversations, when I had my MP9000 -- asking them to implement user scale tuning in an OS update. They didn't do that, but did respond to my pestering by implementing this feature in the MP9500, and all the MP models since then.) I have recently read your post that the new OS adds 88 key tuning, which is great. But it's not described very well, and I'm not sure about the details of the implementation. Could you give some more information? What is the tuning range of each key? Is the 88-key tuning interactive (additive?) with the user scale tunings? Is it interactive with stretch tuning, or does it replace the included stretch tuning options? I know you can only store two different user tunings on the MP7 or MP11. How many different 88 key tunings can be stored? (It's quite a chore to create an 88 key tuning. The more that can be stored, the better!) I'm interested in any details about this that you can provide, no matter how obscure it might seem. I actually use this capability!

Thank you very much for your kind attention to these questions.
Savante


Posted By: peterws Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 07:32 AM
Originally Posted by Savante
Hi James,
Thank you very much for your prompt response. I too would think that I probably wouldn't feel the need to layer sounds on the MP11. Even so, I'm still interested -- is this possible on the MP7? There are some very desirable things about the MP7 and this layering ability (of two acoustic piano sounds) would be an interesting option if it's available.

I play a lot in just intonation, and therefore the tuning ability of the MP series has been very important to me. (Actually, it's there because of me! I campaigned hard with Kawai personnel, in many conversations, when I had my MP9000 -- asking them to implement user scale tuning in an OS update. They didn't do that, but did respond to my pestering by implementing this feature in the MP9500, and all the MP models since then.) I have recently read your post that the new OS adds 88 key tuning, which is great. But it's not described very well, and I'm not sure about the details of the implementation. Could you give some more information? What is the tuning range of each key? Is the 88-key tuning interactive (additive?) with the user scale tunings? Is it interactive with stretch tuning, or does it replace the included stretch tuning options? I know you can only store two different user tunings on the MP7 or MP11. How many different 88 key tunings can be stored? (It's quite a chore to create an 88 key tuning. The more that can be stored, the better!) I'm interested in any details about this that you can provide, no matter how obscure it might seem. I actually use this capability!

Thank you very much for your kind attention to these questions.
Savante




Sorry to dive in here (well, not that sorry or I wouldn`t have) but . . .

I goes into the supermarket to get some coffee. And I`m faced with hundreds of brands. And options within brands. Not only am I unable to sample each option effectively (life`s too short) but those I have disappointed me. So I buy the very cheapest at 50p a packet (Sainsbury`s) and find it`s far better than expected which is why it flies off the shelves.
So I don`t have to look any more. I spend my time not searching out coffee. Or bread. Or red wine. Or beer. Or DPs. . . . .

And me and `er do the weekly shop in record time.

well, maybe it`s fun trying out Digitals (shrug) now that I`ve all this time on my hands. . . but 88 key tuning? That`d be fun on somebody else`s piano . . !
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 09:13 AM
James said; "But I fell in love with that sticky, crunchy sound after hearing Joe Sample playing an aggressively voiced/mic'd Pianet on the Jazz Crusaders 'Live at the Lighthouse '69' album".

Dosn't sound like his most inspired solo.Not as good as his playing on "Scratch"(?).I used to love "Those Southern Nights"
the sort of album that gives "smooth jazz" a good name.

I wonder how much $ Casio payed him to endorse their PX line?
It was a bit of a coup for them.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 11:48 AM
As far as I'm concerned, there is no need to layer the Concert Grand sound on the MP11 with another piano sound. Not to say you can't tweak things to your liking with voicing and brightness and EQ, but the sound itself has enough dimension/depth/clarity that I don't find I need to layer with another piano. Here's a recording I made using the Concert Grand on the MP11:
https://app.box.com/s/4bphqub8a8xa9qqauc5j

I have installed the new update for the MP11 but haven't played with the individual note tunings capability.
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 01:39 PM
Well played, Morodiene!

H.K.
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 02:42 PM
I must ask, there is a line in for a second keyboard. What does this mean? If I have a mp7 and connect my nord electro to the line in, what happens? smile
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 05:08 PM
Morodiene,

That's a lovely recording. The playing and sound are excellent! A great testimonial for the MP11, and Chopin!

Savante
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by david_ka
I must ask, there is a line in for a second keyboard. What does this mean? If I have a mp7 and connect my nord electro to the line in, what happens? smile


If you're referring to the audio inputs, they allow you to run an additional sound source(s) into you MP7 such as a mp3 file or the audio out from your Nord Electro. 7.
You should then be able to hook them together via midi-out (MP7 is master) to midi-in (Nord is slave) and record them together using the record function on the MP7.

Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 11:00 PM

And frees up two jack inputs on your mixer if you are playing live.

Just shows this board was designed with a lot of imagination giving the end user a lot of extra utility.

The 3.5 mini jack input on the Yammaha CP4 and I think also the Nord Piano just goes through the headphone output.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 11:51 PM
Savante, I'm a little pressed for time this morning (I'm going to an 'Earth Day' festival at the beach later, then have a final band practise before playing at an event in the evening), so I'm afraid I don't have time to explain the new 88-key tuning/volume settings on the MP11/MP7 right now. I will post an explanation tomorrow.

I'm planning to update both the MP11 and MP7 owner's manuals to properly explain the new functions, however this is a relatively low priority task at the moment.

Following Morodiene's lead, I have also uploaded some classical piano pieces recorded using the MP7 (although the MP11 would produce the same results). Please note that these pieces are MIDI files, so perhaps not as 'expressive' as a human player, however they should allow you to hear the instruments' Concert Grand piano sound in a different setting to the existing pop/funk audio demos currently on the KawaiMP.com website.

https://soundcloud.com/kawaimpseries/sets/mp7-kules-demos/s-e5tw9

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/19/14 11:57 PM
Originally Posted by puff
Dosn't sound like his most inspired solo.


No, it sounds pretty simple...perhaps because it was one of his first live performances with an EP. However, it's still incredibly funky, and there's quite a lot of complexity in some of those crushed notes and riffs. It sounds more simple than it really is.

Originally Posted by puff
Not as good as his playing on "Scratch"(?).


'Scratch' is a superb album too! But only 5-6 tracks? Again, this should be reissued, remastered, and extended to cover the full set!

Originally Posted by puff
I used to love "Those Southern Nights"
the sort of album that gives "smooth jazz" a good name.


Getting a little towards the mid/late 70s sound that I'm not so keen on, but I agree it's still a killer album - especially Spiral! wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/20/14 05:17 AM
Originally Posted by puff

And frees up two jack inputs on your mixer if you are playing live.

Just shows this board was designed with a lot of imagination giving the end user a lot of extra utility.

The 3.5 mini jack input on the Yammaha CP4 and I think also the Nord Piano just goes through the headphone output.


It was this I was wondering? If the sound from the second keyboard goes "thru" the kawai to the main mixer. This means I only have to connect the mp7 to the main mixer. If it works that way it's superb, does it?

Yes, the mini jack on the nord goes to the headphonejack. That is a great feature but more for practice if you want to learn a new song or something like that.

Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/20/14 12:46 PM
And if I choose not to connect with midi, just the stereo audio inputs. I can use the nord as usual but only have the kawai connected to the mixer.
If this is how it works it's great.
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/20/14 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by david_ka
And if I choose not to connect with midi, just the stereo audio inputs. I can use the nord as usual but only have the kawai connected to the mixer.
If this is how it works it's great.


Exactly what do you want to do with your keyboards? If the Nord is only connected to the MP7 by stereo audio then only the MP7 will make sounds.

You can use them both independently, each going into separate inputs in the mixer. Doing the midi connection also allows you to layer your keyboards when playing live. This was the original function of midi protocol before midi was introduced on a computer for sequencing. Groups like Yes and Emerson, Lake and Palmer come to mind.

If you want to be able to play your keyboards layered or not layered then using a midi connection and connecting each keyboard's audio separately into the mixer gives you the best control for switching back and forth between the two or more options, probably by just adjusting the volume output on each keyboard.

Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/20/14 04:40 PM
Well, the first thing I thought of was to be able to layer them. Using pads from the nord with piano from the kawai. If the pads on the Kawai is good, then I may not need to layer them.

If so, it could be better to use them indepentley, the I can use the nord for organ/synth and kawai for piano. The downside is it will take four channels on the mixer and two DI-boxes. That was why I was wondering about the stereo audio in on the mp7.
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/20/14 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by david_ka
Well, the first thing I thought of was to be able to layer them. Using pads from the nord with piano from the kawai. If the pads on the Kawai is good, then I may not need to layer them.

If so, it could be better to use them indepentley, the I can use the nord for organ/synth and kawai for piano. The downside is it will take four channels on the mixer and two DI-boxes. That was why I was wondering about the stereo audio in on the mp7.


Running the Nord audio outs through the MP7 audio ins and outs will work. You'll have to find out if you're able to get the L/R speaker mix that you want doing it this way. You probably have L/R mix control on the Nord. Probably also treble/bass.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/20/14 07:35 PM

david-ca ; " If this is how it works that's great"


That's correct, and control the Nord's volume with the dedicated Input slider on the MP7.
Not that i've used the audio ins yet though.

Ive mostly been creating my own tailor made versions of the APs and EPs and saving them to their respective Sound buttons.

Because you can overwrite each and every Sound and Setup it's probably a good idea to save the entire keyboard default setting to USB so you can hear the 'un-eddited'versions at a later time for reference.(You can also reset individual Sounds and Setups on the in System edit but thats working 'blind'.

There are 516 memory 'slots' on the MP7.You can save a Setup to a Sound button but there there's no option of naming it like you can with the Setups.So basically you can not alter the Sound names.

Is this correct James? (Don't have my new baby at home yet)

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/21/14 12:26 AM
Originally Posted by puff
You can save a Setup to a Sound button but there there's no option of naming it like you can with the Setups.So basically you can not alter the Sound names.

Is this correct James?


Yes, that's right. The SOUND names cannot be changed, however SETUPs can be named freely.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/21/14 12:32 AM
david_ka,

Connecting the output from your Nord to the LINE IN jacks on an MP will allow you to hear the Nord's sounds through your MP's headphones or connected speakers, so yes you would be saving on mixer channels/DI boxes. It's also convenient being able to adjust the volume of the LINE IN audio directly from the MP's panel.

If you take the extra step of MIDI-ing the Nord to an MP (e.g. MP's MIDI OUT to Nord's MIDI IN) you will be able to play any of the Nord sounds from the MP's keyboard. With the MP7's zones system, you can assign a MIDI channel to control the Nord on the 'SUB1' zone, so the Nord sounds will only play when the 'SUB1' zone is active. You could also take it one step further by assigning this 'SUB1' zone to a specific region of the MP's keyboard, so you could play an MP7 sound from one part of the keyboard, and a Nord sound from another part of the same MP7 keyboard.

There are lots of options - the MIDI implementation on the MP models has always been very strong, but I think the latest MP11/MP7 have raised the bar with many more parameters and options.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/21/14 08:47 AM
Seems to be a very good stagepiano that has everything I need, of course it depends on the sound and feel but I think I'll order it. It's not in stock here in europe yet but I think it will be avalible soon. Thomann says 2-5 days.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/21/14 01:06 PM
Savante, I uploaded an updated version of the (English) MP11 owner's manual earlier today to reflect the new features added with OS v1.06. The PDF can be donloaded from the URL below:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/worldwide/support/manuals.html

I believe this updated documentation should address your concerns about the lack of clear explanation about the new User Key Volume/User Stretch Tuning functions, however to answer your queries directly:

Originally Posted by Savante
Even so, I'm still interested -- is this [layering acoustic piano sounds] possible on the MP7?


Yes.

Originally Posted by Savante
What is the tuning range of each key?


-50 ~ +50 cents.

Originally Posted by Savante
Is the 88-key tuning interactive (additive?) with the user scale tunings?


Yes, I believe so, but perhaps you can clarify what you mean by interactive/additive?

Originally Posted by Savante
Is it interactive with stretch tuning, or does it replace the included stretch tuning options?


The preset stretch tuning options are still there, however now there are an additional 5 user stretch tune memories to select.

Originally Posted by Savante
I know you can only store two different user tunings on the MP7 or MP11.


To clarify, there are two 'User Temperament' memories.

Originally Posted by Savante
How many different 88 key tunings can be stored?


Five.

Originally Posted by Savante
I'm interested in any details about this that you can provide, no matter how obscure it might seem. I actually use this capability!


I hope this answers your queries.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/21/14 09:44 PM

I dont see any changes to the PDF MP7 manual. Should I?

Thanks.
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/21/14 09:55 PM
James, thank you very much for the helpful information. I have read all the relevant sections in the new manual. This answers some of my questions, but there are still gray areas in the manual where some things aren't quite clear.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Savante
Is the 88-key tuning interactive (additive?) with the user scale tunings?


Yes, I believe so, but perhaps you can clarify what you mean by interactive/additive?


The manual page 105 (at the bottom) shows a tuning screen with four parameters -- "Fine Tune", "Stretch", "Temperment", and "Temper.Key". My question is simply whether all four of these parameters are simultaneously active? The screen suggests "yes" but I feel the need to confirm because this is not the case on my MP9500. It has (one) User Temperament and also a "Stretch" tuning option, but you can only use one of them at a time, not both together. Therefore "Stretch" only can be applied to the default Equal Temperament, not to any other Preset or User Temperament.

This limitation seems to be overcome on the MP11 -- you can apply a (Preset or User) Stretch Tuning simultaneously with any (Preset or User) Temperament. This is what I mean by "interactive" or "additive". Is this correct?

For example, I have selected a User Temperament which has a setting of +2 for the "A" key. (Temperaments are octave repeating, so this will apply to all of the "A" keys on the keyboard.) And then I also select a User Stretch Tuning which specifies +5 for "A6". Would this mean that the "A6" key will sound at +7? (The +2 of the selected User Temperament added to the +5 of the selected User Stretch Tuning.) If this is correct, it would be wonderful! Please let me know if this is correct or not.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Savante
Is it interactive with stretch tuning, or does it replace the included stretch tuning options?


The preset stretch tuning options are still there, however now there are an additional 5 user stretch tune memories to select.


OK, I think I've got it on this now. The new 88-key tunings are implemented as User Stretch Tunings. Therefore I CAN use a User Temperament simultaneously with a User Stretch Tuning, but I CANNOT use a User Stretch Tuning simultaneously with a Preset Stretch Tuning because you can only select one (Preset or User) Stretch Tuning at a time. Right?

A couple more closely related questions that I cannot figure out from the manual:

Is the System Tuning parameter (top of page 99) the same or different from the Fine Tuning parameter (on the menu on the bottom of page 105)? If different, are both active at the same time?

The System Tuning parameter is calibrated in Hz, with a resolution of 0.5 Hz (page 99, top). The Fine Tuning parameter is shown to have a range of -64 ~ +63 (page 44, top), but it doesn't say what these units mean. Are these cents, or Hz, or what? (Cents and Hz are very different systems of measuring pitch change!)

The question, then, is whether both System Tuning and Fine Tuning operate simultaneously? For example, if the System Tuning is set to A = 440Hz, and the Fine Tuning is set to -3, then A will actually sound lower than 440 Hz, by whatever amount -3 amounts to. Right?

Here's a "real world" (at least in my world) problem that involves applying all of this information in a very practical way:

I am using a User Temperament with Temperament Key of A. Now I want to play a different piece using the same User Temperament, but this time with a Temperament Key of D. Easy, you might say, just change the Temperament Key to D! But doing this produces a result which is not what I want, because changing the Temperament Key to "D" keeps the "A" note frozen on A = 440 (assuming that's the System Tuning setting) and moves all the other pitches to keep the relationships within the scale as specified in the User Temperament.

What I want is that the pitch of the Temperament Key (A in the first case, D in the second case) on the pitch of that note in Equal Temperament. That will automatically be the case when the Temperament Key is A, but not when the Temperament Key is D. So I have to make a further global tuning change to get the D where it want it in the second case. For the tuning I have in mind, the adjustment would be to raise the pitch of the entire keyboard by +2 cents. This would put the D note on the the pitch it would have in Equal Temperament, and the A note at +2 cents (no longer frozen on 440Hz).

How would I accomplish this? Here are three possibilites, which may or may not work too well. I would prefer option #2, but it might not work if the units of the Fine Tuning parameter are not whole cents:

1) It could be done with a change to the System Tuning, but the catch there is that the system tuning is in Hz, not cents. It can be calculated and done this way (I've done it on my MP5), but it's a bit complicated and requires a good understanding of Cents vs. Hz, and some mathematical calculations, and also involves a change to the global System Tuning parameter I'd rather avoid if possible.

2) A second way would be to use the Fine Tuning parameter, and set it to raise the pitch by +2 cents. But the question here is what are those units (-64 ~ +63)? They may not be in whole cents (for example, if +63 equals one semitone, then the units are smaller than once cent each, and it would not be possible for any setting to be precisely +2 cents). If they ARE whole cents, then the problem is solved right here. This, in my view, would be the best solution, but it depends on the value of those units!

3) There is yet a third way to accomplish what I want -- I think. (That's the question!). I could set the Temperament Key to D, and then also set the User Stretch Tuning to a custom tuning where ALL the keys are set at +2. This should accomplish exactly what I want, right? (or wrong???) Please let me know.

The disadvantage of solution number three is that it uses up a valuable User Stretch Tuning just to make a global pitch offset. It would be much more desirable if this could be accomplished some easier way -- such as with the Fine Tuning parameter, but that depends on the value of those -64 ~ +63 units, which is not specified.

I have tried to make these questions as clear as possible. They are not hypothetical for me -- this is an example of exactly how I want to use the tuning functions.

Thank you for your kind attention to these (seeming arcane, but actually very practical) questions.

Best regards,
Savante




Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/21/14 11:11 PM
Wow, I'm going to need a big bowl of porridge...
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/21/14 11:44 PM
Originally Posted by puff
I dont see any changes to the PDF MP7 manual. Should I?


Nope, not yet.

Contrary to popular belief, I only have one pair of hands.

James
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Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/21/14 11:58 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Wow, I'm going to need a big bowl of porridge...


I would be happy to send you the bowl of porridge to you in Japan, though it might be a little stale by the time it gets to you!

Actually, I think I may have answered some of the questions by experimenting with my MP5 that has some of the same parameters -- if they work in the same way on the MP11. (I found notes that I had actually done a lot of these tests years ago and forgot. I use the MP5 mainly as a MIDI controller for a lot of synths.) Unfortunately, though the User Temperament, Temperament Key, Fine Tuning, and System Tuning are all discrete parameters, they are also all interactive. The big bummer, in my view, is that the User Temperaments (whether or not you change the Temperament Key) ALL freeze the A on 440 and move everything else no matter what setting you select. You can change the setting for the "A" key all you want and it doesn't budge. Instead, everything else moves.

This is an unfortunate implementation, even though I can think of a very few, very rare situations where it might be desirable. It is also a completely different system from every other manufacturer that makes user tunable instruments. Therefore it's difficult to get the Kawai to work well with others! It's fine standalone, but if I want to play it to backings created on my many Korg synths, it's a big pain to line up the tunings. It's not impossible, however, just requires significant workarounds.

The Kawai makes things difficult by using three different tuning units in three different places that all affect the tuning of the instrument. The User Temperaments, and also apparently the new User Stretch Tunings, use whole cents. The Fine Tuning parameter divides the semitone into 128 units, thus each unit is approximately .78 cents. And the System Tuning uses Hertz, which translates to different values of cents depending on where you are on the keyboard.

It IS possible to "unfreeze" A from 440 with either the Fine Tuning or System Tuning parameters -- both work. But neither one is calibrated in cents, and therefore getting the overall tuning of the User Temperament where I want it is tricky and not precise.

What is available on the MP11, which is not available on the MP5, is the new User Stretch Tunings, also calibrated in cents. This is probably the best solution to the problem I posed above, as option #3. It should be an exact solution, not available previously. However, it has the downside of gobbling up a valuable User Stretch Tuning. It's not easy to change those quickly because of the large number of notes that need to be specified. But at least the problem is solvable.

One big caveat to all of the above is that the pitches are not necessarily exactly what they say they are (e.g. "A" does not always equal exactly 440 even when set to that number -- it varies a little between different sounds, and even in different octaves, depending on the sampling.) Playing with my MP5 just now, I was able to get the pitches I wanted by messing with both the Fine Tuning and System Tuning parameters, even though the settings that finally worked (according to a very accurate pitch measuring device that I have) were not exactly what would have been predicted by mathematically calculating the settings based on the supposed implementations on the instrument. But the bottom line is the good news -- I got what I wanted!

I wish Kawai had consulted me when they implemented the current tuning regime! There are some big oversights which could easily be corrected to make the whole system much better and more acceptable to people who actually use alternate tunings. The system in place seems to have been designed by someone who did some serious thinking about it, but doesn't actually use alternate tunings in practice. Some aspects are well thought out, other aspects of the system reflect lack of understanding of how tunings work and how they are used in practice.

So you're off the hook on most of the previously submitted questions (though I'll still send the porridge if you really want it!). However, here's another one from left field for you:

Among the changes mentioned for OS v. 1.06 is changes to the Preset Temperaments "Pure Major" and "Pure Minor". It's about time! These have always been totally lame and unusable. They were designed by someone at Yamaha decades ago, who didn't know what they were doing, and copied by everyone else since then. They DON'T produce ALL pure major and/or minor chords (no tuning will do that, or else equal temperament would never have been necessary). There are excellent, usable "pure" (or "just") tunings, and a few of the notes in the old preset "Pure Major" and "Pure Minor" tunings are OK, but some of the notes are totally bogus and ruin the the whole thing. Maybe that's fixed now? This would be great, because it would save on valuable User Temperaments.

So here's the question. What, exactly, are the pitches (in cents offsets) of the 12 notes in the new Pure Major and Pure Minor preset temperaments? The answer to this would be something like the following, which is what I would love to see (Temperament Key on C):

C: 0
C#: +12
D: +4
D#: +16
E: -14
F: -2
F# -10 (+10 also usable in some cases)
G: +2
G#: +14
A: -16
A#: +18 (-4 is also OK for some uses)
B: -12

I hope this is at least one of the new preset temperaments. It's good for either major or minor, but you always have to be careful with such tunings and consider every chord and interval. But if they didn't use the above tuning, tell them they SHOULD HAVE! And make sure they do in the next OS update!

I'm not kidding -- I've worked with tunings for decades and have studied with the world's foremost tuning experts. The above is the most basic pure 5-limit just intonation tuning. It's not something offbeat or arcane -- it's the most basic and universally desirable pure or "just" tuning. It should definitely be one of the presets.

Best regards,
Savante

P.S. I think I'm going to order an MP11 today! I have to take a long walk and take some deep breaths and count my pennies first!


Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 12:09 AM
Good morning Savante,

I was actually in the process of replying to your previous post when I read your follow-up, however it appears that my response is no longer necessary.

I will try to clarify the Pure Major/Minor tunings for you. If you have any additional questions, may I please ask you to try to post them as (relatively) concise sentences.

Ah, and thank you for kindly offering to send a bowl of porridge, however my breakfast requirements have been satisfied for this morning. wink

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 12:15 AM
The one question one which you are NOT off the hook is to make doubly, triply, sure that the new User Stretch Tunings are calibrated in cents! That is essential. You already said that the tuning range for them is -50 ~ +50 cents. If you can reassure me that this is correct, we're fine!

Thank you!
Savante
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 12:22 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Good morning Savante,

I was actually in the process of replying to your previous post when I read your follow-up, however it appears that my response is no longer necessary.

I will try to clarify the Pure Major/Minor tunings for you. If you have any additional questions, may I please ask you to try to post them as (relatively) concise sentences.

Ah, and thank you for kindly offering to send a bowl of porridge, however my breakfast requirements have been satisfied for this morning. wink

Kind regards,
James
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Sorry, I just wanted to be as clear and precise as possible, which requires more words. I don't think I used any superfluous words. If I had tried to be briefer the questions would have been ambiguous or not made much sense.

I am assuming that the new User Stretch Tunings are "additive" with the User Temperaments and similarly calibrated in cents. This is essential and it wouldn't make sense if they weren't, but this is something I cannot check on the MP5.

Thank you. I really do appreciate very much your attention to these issues.
Savante


Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 01:08 AM
Savante, to answer your additional questions:

Originally Posted by Savante
Are the new 'User Stretch Tunings' calibrated in cents?


Yes, the adjustable range is -50 ~ +50 cents.
These values offset the pitch of the "Normal" stretch curve.

Originally Posted by Savante
I am assuming that the new User Stretch Tunings are "additive" with the User Temperaments and similarly calibrated in cents.


Yes, this is correct.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 01:49 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Savante
Are the new 'User Stretch Tunings' calibrated in cents?


Yes, the adjustable range is -50 ~ +50 cents.
These values offset the pitch of the "Normal" stretch curve


Whoops! This throws a huge monkey wrench into the whole thing and makes it look like the User Stretch Tunings might be difficult or impossible to use accurately. If the actual values of the "Normal" stretch curve are NOT displayed, then one is working blind, without knowing the "normal" values that are being offset. So the sum value ("normal" + user) would also be unknown.

I had been assuming that the User Stretch Tunings were offset from flat, non-stretched tuning. That would be workable because then the user-specified values would be the actual values. But if the user-specified values are offset from some undisclosed preset value, then one is completely in the dark.

This, unfortunately, appears to cancel any value or usefulness of the User Stretch Tunings.

Is it possible to get the cents-offset values for the "normal" stretch tuning? I assume they are not displayed on the instrument.

Thank you,
Savante
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 02:15 AM
Hi again James,

I'm sorry for being so persistent about this, but this is a "make or break" issue for me. I've postponed ordering the MP11 until I get clear on this.

You said that the User Stretch Tunings are offset from the "Normal" stretch curve. However, the manual seems to be saying that you can select the stretch curve that you want to edit, which would suggest that you can edit any of the stretch curves, not just the "Normal".

Also, the manual says there are NINE stretch curves (plus the five new user stretch curves). The manual shows the following, which are presumably the nine referred to: (Off, Narrow2, Narrow1, Normal, Wide1, Wide2~5). When I count these, it seems apparent that the nine stretch curves include the one called "Off" which would be flat, non-stretched. If this can be selected for editing, just like the other eight, then we're back in business.

Otherwise, it would be necessary to know the actual offset values of (at least one of) the other eight stretch curves, and which ones can be selected for editing and saving as a User Stretch Tuning.

Maybe you can test this on the instrument -- see if you can select the "Off" stretch curve for editing. If "Off" doesn't count as a stretch curve, then there are only eight, not nine.

Ideally, I would want to edit from the "Off" curve -- flat, non-stretched. Otherwise, it would be necessary to at least know the actual values of the preset curve I was editing.

Thank you,
Savante
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 02:38 AM
Savante, I will ask the MP programmers if they can provide information about the 'Normal' stretch values (and how they differ to 'Off'). However, please accept if they are unwilling to provide these details for one reason or another.

May I ask where the forests in which you reside are located?

Given the importance of these tuning functions to your purchasing decision, it may be wise to double-check their precise interactions by visiting a Kawai dealer and play-testing the MP11 for yourself.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 02:51 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Savante, I will ask the MP programmers if they can provide information about the 'Normal' stretch values (and how they differ to 'Off'). However, please accept if they are unwilling to provide these details for one reason or another.

May I ask where the forests in which you reside are located?

Given the importance of these tuning functions are to your purchasing decision, it may be wise to check their interactions by visiting a Kawai dealer and play-testing the MP11 for yourself.

Kind regards,
James
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The most important question for the MP programmers might be whether any of other stretch curves can be selected for editing, as indicated in the manual, other than the "Normal" curve. Especially if the "Off" curve can be selected for editing. If not, then the actual values of what CAN be edited would be crucial. Otherwise, the function is useless.

I am in the foothills of rural Northern California, several hundred miles from any store that might (but probably wouldn't) have a MP11. I don't have a car, and to hire transportation, pay for hotels, etc., to check out a MP11 personally (in the unlikely event that one was available to check out) would cost a large part of the price of just buying one, not to mention several days of time.

Therefore I rely heavily on internet research, and forums such as this. By being very diligent, this has been very successful over the years. It's my only option.

You are a great resource, and I appreciate that you are staying with me on these issues. I know that most users are not interested in the questions I am raising, but some are, and these posts will remain here for years, and are searchable. The details we are discussing here are essential for me now, and will be very useful to others over time. So the more accurate details we can get into this conversation, the better for all concerned.

Do you have an instrument with the new OS loaded that you can check to see which Stretch Tunings are available for editing? There is a disconnect between what you said and what the manual says, so I'm wondering which is correct?

Thank you again,
Savante
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 04:42 AM
Originally Posted by Savante
The most important question for the MP programmers might be whether any of other stretch curves can be selected for editing, as indicated in the manual, other than the "Normal" curve. Especially if the "Off" curve can be selected for editing.


I don't believe the manual indicates that the preset stretch curves can be selected for editing. There are three possibilities:

  • No stretch: Off
  • Preset stretch (not editable): Narrow2, Narrow1, Normal, Wide1, Wide2, Wide3, Wide4, Wide5.
  • User stretch (editable): Sys.User1, Sys.User2, Sys.User3, Sys.User4, Sys.User5

Originally Posted by Savante
I am in the foothills of rural Northern California, several hundred miles from any store that might (but probably wouldn't) have a MP11. I don't have a car, and to hire transportation, pay for hotels, etc., to check out a MP11 personally (in the unlikely event that one was available to check out) would cost a large part of the price of just buying one, not to mention several days of time.


Well, it was just a suggestion...

Originally Posted by Savante
You are a great resource, and I appreciate that you are staying with me on these issues. I know that most users are not interested in the questions I am raising, but some are, and these posts will remain here for years, and are searchable. The details we are discussing here are essential for me now, and will be very useful to others over time. So the more accurate details we can get into this conversation, the better for all concerned.


Yes, I am inclined to agree with you. However there inevitably comes a point where I can no longer offer my assistance to others without this commitment impinging on my other daily tasks.

As you are based in the US, my recommendation would be to raise your specific queries with the support staff at Kawai America - preferably by telephone, given the level of detail that you require.

Originally Posted by Savante
Do you have an instrument with the new OS loaded...


I have an MP7 prototype beside me which offers the same tuning functionality as the MP11.

Originally Posted by Savante
...that you can check to see which Stretch Tunings are available for editing?


Again, only the User Stretch Tuning memories (Sys.User1 ~ Sys.User5) can be edited. The default setting for these user curves is the 'Normal' stretch type.

Originally Posted by Savante
There is a disconnect between what you said and what the manual says, so I'm wondering which is correct?


May I please ask you to indicate which page of the owner's manual you believe to be incorrect.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 05:20 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Again, only the User Stretch Tuning memories (Sys.User1 ~ Sys.User5) can be edited. The default setting for these user curves is the 'Normal' stretch type.

Originally Posted by Savante
There is a disconnect between what you said and what the manual says, so I'm wondering which is correct?


May I please ask you to indicate which page of the owner's manual you believe to be incorrect.


My apologies. I have looked again at pages 103 and 107 of the new edition of the manual. I was thinking it said "selecting the Stretch Tuning to be edited..." but it actually says "selecting the User Stretch Tuning to be edited..." I think I've been reading too much of this stuff today and it's getting a bit jumbled up. Also, it is common (in other keyboards I have) for you to be able to load a preset tuning, make edits, and save it as a user tuning -- actually this is usually true with editing ANY parameters of presets. That's what I thought was the case here. Apparently not, and again, my apologies for suggesting otherwise.

What I can't figure out from the manual, though, is how you determined that when you load a User Stretch Tuning for editing, that original default values are those of the Normal Stretch Tuning. Is this some inside information you have that's not indicated in the manual nor on the instrument? This amounts to loading a preset stretch tuning, editing it, and saving it as a user stretch tuning. This is part of what got me thinking along those lines.

I got excited about the addition of five "88-key tunings", but the more I learn the more I see that the implementation is so broken that they are essentially useless. Now I have to decide whether to buy the instrument anyway and struggle with workarounds to get the tunings I want. I think it's possible, just an unfortunate hassle.

We still have a couple issues pending. You said you would try to get the offset values for me of the new "Pure Major" and "Pure Minor" temperament presets. And that you would try to get the values of the default "Normal" Stretch Tuning from which edits can be made and saved as a User Stretch Tuning.

These would be very valuable pieces of information for me, so I hope you can follow through on these.

I think my questions are only about how the instrument actually works, which it seems like I should be able to know before committing to a major purchase. Aside from the pending issues outstanding, I won't ask you for more information. I appreciate very much the help you have given me up till now.

It's not unusual for me to run into a lot of roadblocks when trying to get information about tuning implementations. So this is par for the course...

Thank you again for your patience and assistance.
Savante






Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 05:38 AM
Thank you for your understanding.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by HisKidd
Well played, Morodiene!

H.K.
Thank you! This is one of those pieces I keep cycling back to because there's always improvements to be made. smile
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Savante
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Again, only the User Stretch Tuning memories (Sys.User1 ~ Sys.User5) can be edited. The default setting for these user curves is the 'Normal' stretch type.

Originally Posted by Savante
There is a disconnect between what you said and what the manual says, so I'm wondering which is correct?


May I please ask you to indicate which page of the owner's manual you believe to be incorrect.


My apologies. I have looked again at pages 103 and 107 of the new edition of the manual. I was thinking it said "selecting the Stretch Tuning to be edited..." but it actually says "selecting the User Stretch Tuning to be edited..." I think I've been reading too much of this stuff today and it's getting a bit jumbled up. Also, it is common (in other keyboards I have) for you to be able to load a preset tuning, make edits, and save it as a user tuning -- actually this is usually true with editing ANY parameters of presets. That's what I thought was the case here. Apparently not, and again, my apologies for suggesting otherwise.

What I can't figure out from the manual, though, is how you determined that when you load a User Stretch Tuning for editing, that original default values are those of the Normal Stretch Tuning. Is this some inside information you have that's not indicated in the manual nor on the instrument? This amounts to loading a preset stretch tuning, editing it, and saving it as a user stretch tuning. This is part of what got me thinking along those lines.

I got excited about the addition of five "88-key tunings", but the more I learn the more I see that the implementation is so broken that they are essentially useless. Now I have to decide whether to buy the instrument anyway and struggle with workarounds to get the tunings I want. I think it's possible, just an unfortunate hassle.

We still have a couple issues pending. You said you would try to get the offset values for me of the new "Pure Major" and "Pure Minor" temperament presets. And that you would try to get the values of the default "Normal" Stretch Tuning from which edits can be made and saved as a User Stretch Tuning.

These would be very valuable pieces of information for me, so I hope you can follow through on these.

I think my questions are only about how the instrument actually works, which it seems like I should be able to know before committing to a major purchase. Aside from the pending issues outstanding, I won't ask you for more information. I appreciate very much the help you have given me up till now.

It's not unusual for me to run into a lot of roadblocks when trying to get information about tuning implementations. So this is par for the course...

Thank you again for your patience and assistance.
Savante






Not to be discouraging, but to expect this kind of specific detail from a sub-$3k instrument is...a bit unrealistic, I think. It's not really something that most people demand, especially when such a thing (I imagine) can be done with any MIDI instrument via high-end software. Supply and demand is what it's all about in the end, where you can satisfy most of the customers who are in this budget.

If you are looking for a great DP, the MP11 is it. If you need the special tuning capabilities beyond what the MP11 can do, then you my need to consider high-end synths and DAWs that can be used in conjunction with the MP11.
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 02:30 PM
Hi ! Does anybody among the early users of the MP7 know if TRS jacks can be used on the outputs ? Or is it just standard jacks (unbalanced) ?

Thanks !
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Morodiene
Not to be discouraging, but to expect this kind of specific detail from a sub-$3k instrument is...a bit unrealistic, I think. It's not really something that most people demand, especially when such a thing (I imagine) can be done with any MIDI instrument via high-end software. Supply and demand is what it's all about in the end, where you can satisfy most of the customers who are in this budget.

If you are looking for a great DP, the MP11 is it. If you need the special tuning capabilities beyond what the MP11 can do, then you my need to consider high-end synths and DAWs that can be used in conjunction with the MP11.


Thank you for your comments. I never said I "expected" anything from Kawai. I have just been trying to determine the precise nature of what is being offered on the MP11 in the way of tuning capabilities. It is only reliable information that I have requested.

I am a pianist, among other things, and therefore the tuning capabilities of the MP7 and MP11 are of interest to me. I don't see why it is asking too much just to want to know what an instrument already in production is capable of. By the way, Kawai is one of the few digital pianos to offer user temperaments at all, so I appreciate this very much. I have an MP9500 and an MP5 presently. I am looking to upgrade the MP9500. Thus my interest in the MP11.

As for the tuning capabilities of synthesizers, as opposed to digital pianos, I am very aware of this and already have a large collection of such instruments which have an important place in my musical work. The digital piano is something else, and that's what I have been researching here.

Best regards,
Savante
Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 03:34 PM
Savante, I think your posts on this are just too long. I think you could have asked your questions with 1/10th of the word count. James must be exhausted just from reading all these long posts, let alone replying to them. I mention this because it may be a factor in not getting the information you want. James has a job to do and can't read dozens of posts from one person of thousands of words. Nevertheless, to his credit, I think he has answered your question very well.
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 04:06 PM
Originally Posted by ando
Savante, I think your posts on this are just too long. I think you could have asked your questions with 1/10th of the word count. James must be exhausted just from reading all these long posts, let alone replying to them. I mention this because it may be a factor in not getting the information you want. James has a job to do and can't read dozens of posts from one person of thousands of words. Nevertheless, to his credit, I think he has answered your question very well.


The small but significant and active subculture interested in the topics I have raised here will appreciate very much the context and detail provided in my posts. The majority uninterested in these topics are free to skip them entirely. James and I have had a productive conversation which will remain here, searchable, for future reference. I am very satisfied with the information I have received.

Posted By: peterws Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 05:03 PM
Originally Posted by Savante
Originally Posted by ando
Savante, I think your posts on this are just too long. I think you could have asked your questions with 1/10th of the word count. James must be exhausted just from reading all these long posts, let alone replying to them. I mention this because it may be a factor in not getting the information you want. James has a job to do and can't read dozens of posts from one person of thousands of words. Nevertheless, to his credit, I think he has answered your question very well.


The small but significant and active subculture interested in the topics I have raised here will appreciate very much the context and detail provided in my posts. The majority uninterested in these topics are free to skip them entirely. James and I have had a productive conversation which will remain here, searchable, for future reference. I am very satisfied with the information I have received.



Well said! NEVER use 1 word when 10 will suffice! You must be English . . . .or my Wise and Wonderful One who can do no wrong . . . grin
Posted By: lolatu Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by peterws
Sorry to dive in here (well, not that sorry or I wouldn`t have) but . . .

I goes into the supermarket to get some coffee. And I`m faced with hundreds of brands. And options within brands. Not only am I unable to sample each option effectively (life`s too short) but those I have disappointed me. So I buy the very cheapest at 50p a packet (Sainsbury`s) and find it`s far better than expected which is why it flies off the shelves.
So I don`t have to look any more. I spend my time not searching out coffee. Or bread. Or red wine. Or beer. Or DPs. . . . .

And me and `er do the weekly shop in record time.

You should try Aldi, Peter! Their gimmick is that they have a much limited range of brands, so they can sell them more cheaply, and you can spend even less time finding the things you want! Who really needs 5 different types of brocolli anyway?

Coffee however, since you mention it, is one of the things I will spend extra on. The difference between the cheap stuff and a cup of Blend 37 or Alta Rica is really noticeable. But I think it's like those air fresheners that need to change every so often or you don't smell them. So buy the cheap stuff, but look out for the special offers on the better brands, and enjoy the difference when they come up.

I'm sure this relates to pianos in some way.
Posted By: Jeff Clef Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 09:50 PM
Are there five kinds of broccoli?

I'm thinking Savante might do better to buy a Yamaha, Roland, or Williams. The latter comes very highly recommended, by a very exacting keyboard artist who has posted many pages of commentary to this forum. And, besides the error-riddled manuals, the DP under consideration is known to cater to the lowest common denominator of player. On the other hand, Guitar Center carries two Williams models--- available for testing on the sales floor--- and they tell me that they sell well, but only to keyboard cognoscenti.

Isn't there a GC in Sebastopol?
Posted By: jeffreyfranz Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Wow, I'm going to need a big bowl of porridge...

No kidding. I'm with you. Just reading it wore me out! :-)
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by ando
Savante, I think your posts on this are just too long... ...James has a job to do and can't read dozens of posts from one person of thousands of words. Nevertheless, to his credit, I think he has answered your question very well.

I'm inclined to agree. While some people, particularly music students or higher echelon performers, have very specific requirements, and I can fully understand needing full and detailed information before dropping a large pot of cash on a DP purchase, we also need to be aware that the industry reps here (and especially James) generally give a great deal of time to answering questions as a "pro bono" service that falls outside the remit of their job description. Brevity and clarity in questions addressed to the reps would be a significant courtesy to them.
Posted By: jeffreyfranz Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 10:21 PM
Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
Are there five kinds of broccoli?

I'm thinking Savante might do better to buy a Yamaha, Roland, or Williams. The latter comes very highly recommended, by a very exacting keyboard artist who has posted many pages of commentary to this forum. And, besides the error-riddled manuals, the DP under consideration is known to cater to the lowest common denominator of player. On the other hand, Guitar Center carries two Williams models--- available for testing on the sales floor--- and they tell me that they sell well, but only to keyboard cognoscenti.

Isn't there a GC in Sebastopol?


I can't tell if this is meant to be tongue in cheek humor or dead serious. Kawai caters to the lowest common denominator? Williams and Yamaha are both superior? Strange.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by jeffreyfranz
Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
Are there five kinds of broccoli?

I'm thinking Savante might do better to buy a Yamaha, Roland, or Williams. The latter comes very highly recommended, by a very exacting keyboard artist who has posted many pages of commentary to this forum. And, besides the error-riddled manuals, the DP under consideration is known to cater to the lowest common denominator of player. On the other hand, Guitar Center carries two Williams models--- available for testing on the sales floor--- and they tell me that they sell well, but only to keyboard cognoscenti.

Isn't there a GC in Sebastopol?


I can't tell if this is meant to be tongue in cheek humor or dead serious.

Does this help?
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 11:19 PM
Originally Posted by Tritok
Hi ! Does anybody among the early users of the MP7 know if TRS jacks can be used on the outputs ? Or is it just standard jacks (unbalanced) ?

Thanks !


Sorry, I quoted myself , but I am afraid that my post gets lost in the "Savante-gate" wink ...And I think it's a legitimate question...No ?
Posted By: jeffreyfranz Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 11:31 PM
Ah... Got it. Thanks. :-)
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/22/14 11:55 PM
Originally Posted by Tritok
Originally Posted by Tritok
Hi ! Does anybody among the early users of the MP7 know if TRS jacks can be used on the outputs ? Or is it just standard jacks (unbalanced) ?

Thanks !


Sorry, I quoted myself , but I am afraid that my post gets lost in the "Savante-gate" wink ...And I think it's a legitimate question...No ?


I don't have an MP7 (yet!), but I believe the outputs are standard TS unbalanced sockets (same as MP5 and MP6).
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 12:01 AM

I'm using TRS cables into a mixer then powered speakers.

I vote the Mods move the forensic tuning discussion between Savante and James to the ' MP11 and MP7 Updates' Thread. As it leads on from various points made there.

It could well put off some newbies from buying what is a very intuitive to opperate keyboard. (Ducks...)


Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 07:25 AM
Originally Posted by puff
I dont see any changes to the PDF MP7 manual. Should I?


The updated MP7 owner's manual (corresponding to OS v1.02) is now available from the Kawai Japan support pages:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/worldwide/support/manuals.html

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 03:54 PM
Now it´s available at Thomann, I ordered it a couple of minutes ago:) Hope I will like it:)
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 04:45 PM
I'm really excited about the MP7 and it's most likely going to replace my MP5, which I absolutely love. There's one thing I would like to ask, as I'm too impatient to wait for when I buy one. Is the synthesizer improved? I'm aware that the Kawai MP-series is specifically designed for piano, but with this new screen and controls I see lots of opportunities. It would be nice to have a standard tone of which you can change the wave form and polyphony. This way, with the already present layering options and effects (distortion/cutoff/EQ/reverb/etc), a nice EDM synth sound shouldn't be too difficult to make. In my band, we're playing all kinds of genres, from rock 'n roll to après-ski and from country to dance. I could connect my laptop and use a DAW with the right plugins, but then I would need to bring a lot of extra stuff to every gig.

Thanks for any info on this matter,

Lennert
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 08:47 PM
James...

Anything you can tell us about when kawaimp/mp7
will go live?

Thanks,
H.K.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by david_ka
Now it´s available at Thomann, I ordered it a couple of minutes ago:) Hope I will like it:)


Congrats David!

James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 11:36 PM


The synth sounds and pads are all new much stronger and more various.Ive not messed with them yet but there's lots more ways to alter them.
The new EPs are also worh spending time to tailor to your taste.
The two Wurli sounds have the old names but they sure sound better to my ears - there's some serious DSP power going on here compared to the MP6/5 and it shows.Things are saved in a nano second.
The Effects now can add a lot of 'realism' eg the Enhancer+ on an EP can seem to change the quality of the 'Tine' and then you cam easily assign the depth to the Mod wheel.

You need to dig in and re-program stuff eg. the EQ parameter on the Amp sims (there are 6 I think)all have the bass set to +8db but the UI is so integrated this is a snip to do.

You wont be disapointed with the beast.

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 11:40 PM
Originally Posted by ProLen
Is the synthesizer improved?


Yes, the synth side of things is much improved!

Practically all of the PAD/SYNTH category (30 out of 32 sounds) consists of new samples, and the EDIT menu offers many more DCA/DCF envelope controls. There are now also portamento modes, which work very nicely with the fast trigger keyboard settings.

There are a selection of synth demos on the following SoundCloud playlist:

https://soundcloud.com/kawaimpseries/sets/mp7-synth-temp/s-N3Avq

If you're coming to the MP7 from an MP5, it will sound and feel like a brand new instrument (well, because it is...), but still one that you're familiar with.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 11:49 PM
Originally Posted by HisKidd
Anything you can tell us about when kawaimp/mp7
will go live?


Very soon, I hope.

There are some minor glitches that still need to be worked out.

Here's a shot of the new image zoom function on the history/specifications page:

[Linked Image]

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/23/14 11:56 PM
I've got also my MP7 coming to me in a few days , pre-ordered at Thomann's two weeks ago , UPS is on its way...Can't wait !

I'll post a little review very soon !
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/24/14 12:00 AM
James , can you confirm or not that TRS jacks could (or should) be plugged in the outputs sockets ?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/24/14 12:01 AM
Good stuff. wink

I'm hoping we can also host some user-recorded demos on the MP website too.
I'm really looking forward to hearing the music folks produce with these new boards.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/24/14 01:35 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by puff
I dont see any changes to the PDF MP7 manual. Should I?


The updated MP7 owner's manual (corresponding to OS v1.02) is now available from the Kawai Japan support pages:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/worldwide/support/manuals.html

Cheers,
James
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Dose the " Hold Effects Whilst changing Sounds" facility appear in the up-dated manual? If so what page is it on.

Cheers.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/24/14 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by puff
Dose the " Hold Effects Whilst changing Sounds" facility appear in the up-dated manual? If so what page is it on.


No, I didn't update any explanations related to that.

I recall us discussing this previously, but wasn't aware it was something that needed to be updated in the owner's manual. This can always change in the future, however.
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/24/14 08:12 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by ProLen
Is the synthesizer improved?


Yes, the synth side of things is much improved!



Thanks James and Puff for the answers! Good to hear there's so much improved, though my MP5 already is a great instrument! My brother will love the MP5 when I'm getting the MP7 very soon.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/24/14 11:37 PM

There was me thinking that all changes or additions to the paper manual would be added to the PDF manual.

I don't remember discussing this previously with you.

Maybe you were thinking of the missing Briteness parameter? smirk
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by puff
There was me thinking that all changes or additions to the paper manual would be added to the PDF manual.


It's the other way around. I make the owner's manual edits in the layout software (InDesign), save to PDF, then send the PDF data to our agency for printing.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 12:57 AM
Originally Posted by Tritok
Hi ! Does anybody among the early users of the MP7 know if TRS jacks can be used on the outputs ? Or is it just standard jacks (unbalanced) ?


Originally Posted by Tritok
James , can you confirm or not that TRS jacks could (or should) be plugged in the outputs sockets ?


Sorry for the slow reply.

The MP7's Line Out jacks are unbalanced, so when using a TRS cable the 'Ring' part will have no effect. The cable may work, however we do not recommend using them because the floating input on the 'Ring' will likely cause a hum noise.

Therefore we recommend using standard TS (unbalanced) cables for connecting the MP7.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: MiguelAngel07 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 02:40 AM
Are there any Kawai DPs with balanced line out jacks? How about the MP11?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 02:45 AM
Miguel, yes, the MP11 features balanced XLR jacks in addition to the unbalanced 1/4" connectors.

James
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Posted By: MiguelAngel07 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 02:52 AM
James, thanks for your quick reply. Is the MP11 the only Kawai DP with balanced XLR jacks? How about the CA95?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 03:06 AM
Miguel, the CA95 does not feature XLR jacks, I'm afraid.

Aside from the MP11 (and previous MP10, MP8II, MP8), the only other Kawai DPs the feature XLR jacks are the CP209/CP179 'Concert Performer' models sold in the US.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 09:21 AM
It's online !

http://www.kawaimp.com/mp7/
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 09:27 AM
Hey don't forget the 'landing page' too:

www.kawaimp.com

James
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Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 10:43 AM
That's a great website, beautifully designed.

James, any idea what Kawai digital piano Matt Bellamy from Muse is rocking these days?
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by Tritok


Worth waiting for, James! Congrats!

Play On!
HK
Posted By: BarryDMD Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 11:09 AM
It's a nice looking website, but, unfortunately, it says, "Coming Soon".

I was ready to buy the Roland RD-800, and they stopped shipping
due to the power plug fiasco. Now I am hearing good things about the
MP7. It sounds good in the videos, but it is not available in the stores yet in the New England area.

I've always wanted to buy a $40,000 car for $20,000, but I never have
been able to accomplish this. The MP7 sells for about $700 less than
the RD-800. What am I missing?

The MP11 seems to be more stage piano, and the MP7 appears to be more
of a stage piano/synthesizer. I can afford the MP11, but I like the additional
features of the MP7.

barrydmd
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by BarryDMD
It's a nice looking website, but, unfortunately, it says, "Coming Soon".


You should refresh your webbrowser , it's the old page you've been on...Erase your temp files ,history ,cache ,etc...
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by BarryDMD
It's a nice looking website, but, unfortunately, it says, "Coming Soon".

I was ready to buy the Roland RD-800, and they stopped shipping
due to the power plug fiasco. Now I am hearing good things about the
MP7. It sounds good in the videos, but it is not available in the stores yet in the New England area.

I've always wanted to buy a $40,000 car for $20,000, but I never have
been able to accomplish this. The MP7 sells for about $700 less than
the RD-800. What am I missing?

The MP11 seems to be more stage piano, and the MP7 appears to be more
of a stage piano/synthesizer. I can afford the MP11, but I like the additional
features of the MP7.

barrydmd


It's available at www.thomann.com, my mp 7 was shipped today:)
For me the mp7 has what I need, good piano, good organ , synth and strings. I like that you can layer 4 sounds.
And it's a good size and price.
Of course it would be nice with the mp11 action and xlr outs but I think I can live without it.

Posted By: BarryDMD Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 10:03 PM
How is the RH2 action ?

barrydmd
Posted By: jeffreyfranz Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 10:03 PM
Originally Posted by MiguelAngel07
Are there any Kawai DPs with balanced line out jacks? How about the MP11?

Yes.

You know, I don't want to be unfriendly, but the simplest of searches or a quick and easy visit to the Kawai site would yield this information.

Miguel, this is not aimed solely at you or to embarrass you. Time after time people ask questions repeatedly, some folks at very great length, when much of the information they seek is readily available with a little effort. I guess it's easier to post a question. smile
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 10:16 PM
Does the MP7 have white keys and black keys? And which other Kawai pianos also have black keys?
Posted By: willf Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Does the MP7 have white keys and black keys?

No unfortunately it has black keys and white keys smile.

Originally Posted by voxpops
And which other Kawai pianos also have black keys?

They all do unless you clean the keys with bleach or leave the keyboard in strong sunlight for extended periods of time. smile.

Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 10:39 PM
David (and James and whomever),
What am I giving up with the MP7 action vs the MP11 action?
What other things does one give up with the MP7 over the MP11?
Besides less expensive, better availability and less weight, what other advantages does the MP7 have over the MP11?

Has anyone heard when the MP11 will again be available. Sweetwater told me some time back that they didn't expect any until some time in July. James, any info on this and why the production appears held up?

Thanks
Posted By: MiguelAngel07 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 11:09 PM
Originally Posted by jeffreyfranz
Originally Posted by MiguelAngel07
Are there any Kawai DPs with balanced line out jacks? How about the MP11?

Yes.

You know, I don't want to be unfriendly, but the simplest of searches or a quick and easy visit to the Kawai site would yield this information.

Miguel, this is not aimed solely at you or to embarrass you. Time after time people ask questions repeatedly, some folks at very great length, when much of the information they seek is readily available with a little effort. I guess it's easier to post a question. smile


Hello Jeffrey

No embarassment or offense taken since you have a right to your opinion. Having said that, I do believe that this particular fact about the MP11 will be made known to a lot more people due to the simple fact that the question was asked and answered here.

Best Regards

Miguel Angel
Posted By: MiguelAngel07 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 11:20 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Does the MP7 have white keys and black keys? And which other Kawai pianos also have black keys?


For sarcasm to really work it has to have its own undelying internal logic, which is not the case here since very few DP have balanced line outs while all pianos have black keys. Nice try thou !!!
Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by BarryDMD
How is the RH2 action ?

barrydmd


I have the ES7 which has the same action. Great feel and triple sensor allows for a lot of control. I find the feel and weight similar to Roland's PHA3 (opinions may vary).

The good news is after playing the RH2 with heavy use for over 1000 it's still feels like the day I bought it 18 months ago. No thumping or clicking. Very solid board. Just a very slight wear on some of the keys. Maybe I shouldn't say "wear" just has bit shine where my fingers commonly hits the keys.

I would only imagine the MP7 keys/keybed being as good or even better as it is more intended for stage use where the ES7 which is better designed for home use. Except for me wink
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 11:27 PM
My MP7 will be here on Monday...I just can't wait !!!


...


Sorry , I had to say it.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 11:58 PM
Originally Posted by MiguelAngel07
Originally Posted by voxpops
Does the MP7 have white keys and black keys? And which other Kawai pianos also have black keys?


For sarcasm to really work it has to have its own undelying internal logic, which is not the case here since very few DP have balanced line outs while all pianos have black keys. Nice try thou !!!


wink

Wasn't really trying to be sarcastic, Miguel. Just having a bit of fun.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/25/14 11:59 PM
Originally Posted by Tritok
My MP7 will be here on Monday...I just can't wait !!!


...


Sorry , I had to say it.


I don't blame you... Congrats!! I'm still sitting here on the fence, waiting for someone to push me one way or the other.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 12:33 AM
James,

The section about the "New Audio Engine "

Refers to the MP11 not MP7...

Needs an edit

Sorry to find more work for you.
Posted By: Rhodie73 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 01:20 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by Tritok
My MP7 will be here on Monday...I just can't wait !!!


...


Sorry , I had to say it.


I don't blame you... Congrats!! I'm still sitting here on the fence, waiting for someone to push me one way or the other.


I have been in the same boat ever since I purchased a Yamaha CP4 and returned it. I knew Kawai was releasing an update to the MP6 this year but was becoming impatient. After checking out the website and learning that Kawai did not compromise the sound engine (like the MP10 to the MP6) , but added more.....I ended up purchasing the MP7 from Kraft Music today. It shipped today so it should arrive early next week. I can't wait, I might retire my CP5 to "rarely used" in my house. I was thinking about the MP11, but I intend on gigging with the MP7, plus I just did a gig where I needed a full sound set and more keys than my RD-64 and the CP5 was a beast to haul. The reduced weight and dimensions of the MP7 will be welcomed. Plus I look forward to using the impressive "virtual technician" parameters to dial in the tone that I want.
Posted By: MiguelAngel07 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 01:57 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by MiguelAngel07
Originally Posted by voxpops
Does the MP7 have white keys and black keys? And which other Kawai pianos also have black keys?


For sarcasm to really work it has to have its own undelying internal logic, which is not the case here since very few DP have balanced line outs while all pianos have black keys. Nice try thou !!!


wink

Wasn't really trying to be sarcastic, Miguel. Just having a bit of fun.


No problem at all voxpops, it's all good !!!
Posted By: rickard Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 05:47 AM
I was wondering the same thing as Miguel, and I'm curious as to where you found this information on the Kawai website. The only information I've found there was the line "Jacks: Line Out 6,3mm (L/Mono,R or 2xMono)" which certainly does not explicitly say either unbalanced TS or balanced TRS jacks. Also, I've searched the manual for the same information, without luck. So, it was informative (though not surprising) to hear that it only had unbalanced jacks.
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 05:57 AM
Hello Kawai James,

Just ordered my MP7. Yay!! Are you able to tell me the dimensions of the MP7 when packaged? Seeing as I'm now on the poverty-line, I'd like to attempt to pick the unit up from the dealer rather than paying for delivery. I'm wondering if it will fit in my car.

Thanks in advance.

PS. I've enjoyed your informative posts immensely during my recent bout of Gear Acquisition Syndrome (GAS)

Patrick
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 09:47 AM
Originally Posted by puff
James,

The section about the "New Audio Engine "

Refers to the MP11 not MP7...

Needs an edit

Sorry to find more work for you.


Woah, I'm not sure how that happened - looks like the wrong text was being used for that explanation.

I saw your post in the morning while I was on my way out. I've been at the park all day, but have nipped into the office to upload the correct text.

Thank you for spotting the error!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 10:08 AM
Originally Posted by rickard
I was wondering the same thing as Miguel, and I'm curious as to where you found this information on the Kawai website. The only information I've found there was the line "Jacks: Line Out 6,3mm (L/Mono,R or 2xMono)" which certainly does not explicitly say either unbalanced TS or balanced TRS jacks. Also, I've searched the manual for the same information, without luck. So, it was informative (though not surprising) to hear that it only had unbalanced jacks.


I believe Miguel's query was related to whether or not the MP11 has XLR jacks - a point that is clearly stated on the website's 'Features' and 'Specifications' page.

However, Tritok's query regarding whether the MP7's output jacks are balanced or unbalanced is valid, so I've added this information to the website's specifications pages.

Thank you for the useful suggestion.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 10:38 AM
Thank you , James , I'm a little proud of being part of the process ! wink
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 05:09 PM
Kawai James, maybe a stupid question but can you use the headphone output on the mp7 to an active speaker/monitor and at the same time have it connected to the main mixer with the l/r outputs.

The reason I wonder is that I would like to have a personal monitor when playing live.

/David
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 10:04 PM
Originally Posted by Tritok
My MP7 will be here on Monday...I just can't wait !!!


...


Sorry , I had to say it.


I know how you feel. I'm waiting for mine - hoping the Australia stockists have been well supplied. Ah well, I'll have memorised the user manual by the time it gets here.

Patrick
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/26/14 10:25 PM
David,
Originally Posted by david_ka
Kawai James, maybe a stupid question but can you use the headphone output on the mp7 to an active speaker/monitor and at the same time have it connected to the main mixer with the l/r outputs.

The reason I wonder is that I would like to have a personal monitor when playing live.


Yes, this should work. However, bear in mind that that the headphone output is a stereo signal, so depending on how you connect it to a monitor speaker, the left and right channels may be summed to mono.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/27/14 06:02 AM
That's great. It doesn't matter if it's mono and don't sound perfect. It's only so I can hear what I play with a loud drummer and distorted guitars:) it's also nice to have full control of the personal monitor.

Posted By: carellic Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 07:26 AM
Hello everybody. First post here!
Has anybody a worthy direct comparison experience of the MP7 vs Yamaha CP4?
I am waiting for my new MP11 (to be placed in my office) to arrive (this very week!) but I am considering shifting from my CP4 to the MP7 (home nocturnal use and possible future gigs as a pianist instead of the usual saxophonist) for several reasons, including quality of sounds (string resonance, better sampling, etc.) and better interface user-friendliness.
My only worry is for the action. While I have no doubt for the MP11 GF, I would not like to miss something from the wooden keys and the graded hammer action of the CP4.
Thank you for your help!
Claudio
Posted By: spanishbuddha Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 08:06 AM
Originally Posted by carellic
Hello everybody. First post here!
Has anybody a worthy direct comparison experience of the MP7 vs Yamaha CP4?
I am waiting for my new MP11 (to be placed in my office) to arrive (this very week!) but I am considering shifting from my CP4 to the MP7 (home nocturnal use and possible future gigs as a pianist instead of the usual saxophonist) for several reasons, including quality of sounds (string resonance, better sampling, etc.) and better interface user-friendliness.
My only worry is for the action. While I have no doubt for the MP11 GF, I would not like to miss something from the wooden keys and the graded hammer action of the CP4.
Thank you for your help!
Claudio

Since you will be able to compare the sound yourself soon with your MP11, that leaves the keys. I find both actions to have a good but different feel. The wood of the cp4 does not IMHO come into it, you've been swayed by the marketing. What else about the CP4 keys is it you like? Your only option really is to try a Kawai with the RH2 action yourself, preferably an MP7 and decide.

Edit to add, in case you have not seen it you can do a spec comparison from the MP7 website and your own CP4.
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 10:47 AM
Hello Everyone !
I've just received my MP7 ,and before I make my little review here , I have one question bothering me ...
In sound mode (not setup) , the reverb parameters are not stored with each patch ? I mean , when I modify the reverb on the main piano , if I select later a drawbar patch , the reverb settings made for the piano remains for the drawbar patch or any other patch ????
Is it normal ?

Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 10:52 AM
And even worse ! When i save an edited patch with another reverb other than the stock one , when I turn off the MP7 , and turn in again , the reverb has not changed and it's not stored with the patch !!!
Do I have a faulty unit ?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 11:30 AM
Tritok, congrats!

Originally Posted by Tritok
when I modify the reverb on the main piano , if I select later a drawbar patch , the reverb settings made for the piano remains for the drawbar patch or any other patch ????


I'm not sure I follow you 100%, however I believe each sound can have its own reverb settings. I'm at home now, so cannot check, but please try the following.

1. Select the 'Concert Grand' PIANO sound
2. Set Reverb to 'Concert Hall', with a large depth
3. Store the SOUND
4. Select the 'T.Wheel 1-A' DRAWBAR sound
5. Set Reverb to 'Room', with a small depth
6. Store the SOUND
7. Now switch between the two sounds - the reverb should be noticeably different.


EDIT:

I'm afraid the post above is not correct - my apologies.
That will teach me not to reply to operation-related queries at home, without double-checking the instrument itself.

I should have also referred to the MP7 owner's manual, which clearly states that the Reverb Type, PreDelay, and Time parameters are COMMON, and not stored to SOUND but SETUP.

Again, my apologies for this incorrect information.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 11:31 AM
Originally Posted by Tritok
When i save an edited patch with another reverb other than the stock one , when I turn off the MP7 , and turn in again , the reverb has not changed and it's not stored with the patch !!!


Can you give an example please?
Are you storing the edited sound as a POWERON memory?

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Tritok, congrats!

Originally Posted by Tritok
when I modify the reverb on the main piano , if I select later a drawbar patch , the reverb settings made for the piano remains for the drawbar patch or any other patch ????


I'm not sure I follow you 100%, however I believe each sound can have its own reverb settings. I'm at home now, so cannot check, but please try the following.

1. Select the 'Concert Grand' PIANO sound
2. Set Reverb to 'Concert Hall', with a large depth
3. Store the SOUND
4. Select the 'T.Wheel 1-A' DRAWBAR sound
5. Set Reverb to 'Room', with a small depth
6. Store the SOUND
7. Now switch between the two sounds - the reverb should be noticeably different.

Cheers,
James
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I did all the steps above , and the last reverb edited in the drawboar sounds is still the same when I go bacK to the piano sound .The concert grand has the room reverb back..(I can post a video If you want)
Posted By: carellic Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 12:21 PM
Thanx spanishbuddha, I did as you said this morning and, I went for the MP7 straight away, to me it beats the CP4 almost everywhere.
Now I am waiting for the MP11 to arrive, curious to compare the two!
Have a nice day!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 01:03 PM
Originally Posted by Tritok
I did all the steps above , and the last reverb edited in the drawboar sounds is still the same when I go bacK to the piano sound .The concert grand has the room reverb back..


Okay, I will check this on my MP7 prototype tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Tritok
(I can post a video If you want)


Thank you, but that's not necessary.

May I recommend that you update the MP7's software to the latest OS (v1.02), available from the KawaiMP.com website.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 01:49 PM
update already done (first thing done) , factory reset...nothing changes...
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 01:51 PM
Can anyone check all that on his own MP7 ?
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 03:55 PM
help ! all the sound patches share the same reverb ! even the churches organ have "small hall" reverb !
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 05:29 PM
I really think I have a faulty unit now...SW1 And SW2 type assignation are not saved with each patch neither...It's rotary ,even for the pianos...Or if you change it for let's say octave layer , then the drawbar sounds will have octave layer as well instead of rotary speed...

I'm starting to be very disappointed...
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Tritok
I really think I have a faulty unit now...SW1 And SW2 type assignation are not saved with each patch neither...It's rotary ,even for the pianos...Or if you change it for let's say octave layer , then the drawbar sounds will have octave layer as well instead of rotary speed...

I'm starting to be very disappointed...


Kawai James offered to help you out once he's able to get in front of his unit. You could since you are so eager, call Kawai support and have them walk you through some trouble shooting steps. I would definitely want to make sure it's not a mistake I'm making before I go through the trouble of returning a DP.
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 05:54 PM
I'm a 100% sure I'm not doing any mistake...I've been a professional keyboardist for something like 20 years and I know very well how synths and keyboards work...believe me (it's really not for bragging in any way)! You can see in my signature that I have a lot of workstations of many brands , and much more complicated than the MP7...
I've been through all possible process...firmware update , factory reset , carefully reading the manual for each function...
I know that Kawai James will finally answer , but If I post those messages it's for maybe the other MP7 users who could compare ...
I think we are not a lot yet , but if anyone could try ?
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 07:04 PM
I just ordered the Kawai Mp7 from Sweetwater. BOA put a cautionary hold on the credit card transaction and emailed me but it's now been cleared for a go.

Can't wait!!
Posted By: Maxpiano Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 08:29 PM
@Tritok: you should read the manual carefully, in the Edit menu section (common parameters) it clearly states which parameters can be saved at Sound level and which only at Setup level (such as Reverb parameters and SWs assign)
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 08:58 PM
Just ordered an MP7 today from Sweetwater. Got it at a very sweet price. Really looking forward to checking it out and will, of course, report back here.

Thanks for this thread. Really helped me make my decision.
Bryan
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 10:10 PM
Originally Posted by Maxpiano
@Tritok: you should read the manual carefully, in the Edit menu section (common parameters) it clearly states which parameters can be saved at Sound level and which only at Setup level (such as Reverb parameters and SWs assign)


Ok you are right , sorry for that ,I didn't see this part of the manuel (I read the english manual and skipped that ,I'm french ...)But for me it's simply incredible...First time that I see a keyboard where not all parameters are stored in each patch!Being forced to use a setup memory for that is a little...peculiar...Maybe an update of the firmware could correct that (really for me it's a flaw )
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/28/14 11:40 PM
Ok , sorry to bring bad news , but I have an another problem with my expression pedal this time (boss-fv500L , very common, I use it with all my others keyboards with no problems)...
In SYSTEM , EXP curve : Normal , EXP Pol.:Normal , calibration done... In Edit Mode, EXP pedal on ,EXP assign : Expression (of course)
The problem : The Expression Pedal does act as one , but also change parameters in the main screen , the ones assigned to Knobs(for instance in Concert grand , it changes the value in stereo width, or random parameters in the screen !!!) , and also illuminates the led beside the mod Wheel !
Can anyone can reproduce this issue ?
Have I again misread the manual ?
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 12:15 AM
Another bug on the list (sorry) : The quick compare function doesn't work (os1.02) :

While in EDIT mode:
Pressing the variation button of the sound that is being adjusted doesnt' activate the compare function (the screen doesn't display "comparing with..." and the led doesn't flash) , but simply recalls the previous patch and you lose all the edited parameters...

Am I the only one (again) ?
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 12:57 AM
Hello James,

Is there a dust cover designed specifically for the MP7?

Patrick.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 02:46 AM
Originally Posted by Tritok
I've been through all possible process...firmware update , factory reset , carefully reading the manual for each function...
I know that Kawai James will finally answer , but If I post those messages it's for maybe the other MP7 users who could compare ...


Tritok, thank you for your patience.

I have been checking the MP7 this morning and am afraid to say that my previous post last night regarding the ability to store Reverb settings to SOUND memories was incorrect. I have edited my previous post accordingly to ensure others are not misinformed.

The majority of Kawai DPs (such as the CA, CN, ES models) do store reverb settings on a per-sound basis, however the MP instruments (ever since the first MP9000) do not. On the current MP7/MP11 models, Reverb Type, Pre Delay, and Time parameters are COMMON, and not stored to SOUND memory. However, the Reverb Depth parameter is independent (i.e. not COMMON) and can therefore be stored to a SOUND memory.

Thank you to Maxpiano for highlighting this point.

When you consider how the MP7 is structured with four zones, I believe this behaviour is logical. If the Reverb Type/PreDelay/Time parameters were stored to SOUND memory, what would happen if I use an acoustic piano sound with a Concert Hall reverb on the MAIN zone, then use an EP with a Room reverb on the SUB1 zone? Which reverb type would take priority? I believe having common reverb parameters that are not stored to SOUND memory prevents confusion when using multiple sounds.

If you wish to create sounds with different Reverb Type/PreDelay/Time parameters, please store them to individual SETUP memories.

My apologies once again for the incorrect information in my reply last night.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 02:49 AM
Originally Posted by Tritok
And even worse ! When i save an edited patch with another reverb other than the stock one , when I turn off the MP7 , and turn in again , the reverb has not changed and it's not stored with the patch !!!
Do I have a faulty unit ?


To clarify this point, the Reverb Type/PreDelay/Time parameters are not stored to SOUND memory, but SETUP memory.

However, you can store your preferred Reverb settings to POWERON memory, which is recalled when the instruments is turned on, or when the PANIC button is held for 2 seconds.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 02:55 AM
Originally Posted by Maxpiano
@Tritok: you should read the manual carefully, in the Edit menu section (common parameters) it clearly states which parameters can be saved at Sound level and which only at Setup level (such as Reverb parameters and SWs assign)


Yes, this is correct, thank you Max!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 02:59 AM
Originally Posted by Tritok
SW1 And SW2 type assignation are not saved with each patch neither...


This is the correct behaviour, for similar reasons mentioned above.

The 'xxx Assign' parameters in the 'Control' menu are all prefixed with a [C] icon, indicating that they are common for all zones and therefore not stored to individual SOUND memories.

The only exception is the 'Mod Assign' parameter, which is not common and can therefore be stored to individual SOUND memories.

Again, if you wish to set a variety of different 'xxx Assign' parameters and recall them on-the-fly, please store to the SETUP memories.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 04:18 AM
Originally Posted by Tritok
The quick compare function doesn't work (os1.02)


Thank you for reporting this bug.

I checked the MP7 prototype in my office and it appears that the 'Quick Compare' function is not working correctly in OS v1.02.

I reported this issue to one of the MP engineers who confirmed the bug.
He emailed me 30 minutes later with an updated beta OS. I've loaded this version onto our MP7 prototype and can confirm that the 'Quick Compare' function is working correctly again.

This bugfix will be included in the next MP7 software update, however if you would like to receive the beta OS, please send me a PM with your email address.

Thank you once again for reporting this issue.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 04:19 AM
Originally Posted by PatrickBl
Hello James,

Is there a dust cover designed specifically for the MP7?

Patrick.


Hello Patrick,

There is no specifically designed MP7 dust cover that I'm aware of, however I expect most elasticated keyboard covers intended for 88-key instruments will fit fine.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 05:00 AM
Thanks James,

Just thought if there was a sexy Kawai cover, I would get it!

Patrick.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 05:06 AM
Yes, it would be pretty sweet.

However, I don't believe Kawai has ever produced dust covers for the MP models, so I expect it's unlikely to happen.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 07:07 AM
Thank you James for all the answers...I can live with those limitations (reverb and SW assign not stored in sound mode )...but the problem with my Expression pedal is something that is much worse,on my keyboards setup it's very important..Have you checked on your prototype and reproduce the faulty behaviour ?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 07:40 AM
Hello Tritok,

Yes, I have checked the expression pedal control and was unable to reproduce the issue you are experiencing. I checked using a Kawai branded pedal, however it should work fine with other pedal brands.

I've asked R&D to look into the matter and will keep you informed.

May I ask if you have an alternative expression pedal to test?
Also, may I ask you to clarify how are you connecting the Boss pedal to the MP7? I notice that the FV-500L does not have a cable attached, but presumable requires that the user connect his/her own patch cable.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 07:53 AM
My Boss fv500L is connected in the EXP input using a TRS (stereo)jack...nothing fancy...I use that pedal a lot with my others keyboards,it never happened yet (and I still do ,with my motif es6,and my fantom x8,it works like a charm)
I don't have any other exp pedal to test , sorry.

Thanks again James

Edit:in fact , the exp pedal change almost everytime the parameter values that are assigned to knob B or the value wich is highlighted...Really i can make a video of this , it's not very easy to describe such a behaviour , but it's VERY annoying)
I've tried others TRS jacks,same result everytime
Posted By: Maxpiano Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 12:44 PM
@Tritok: are you testing the Exp pedal in Sound or Setup mode (or both?)
Because also the EXP pedal assignement is a "common parameter" so stored only in setups

(And I am very interested since I also own the FV500L and I am considering the purchase of an MP7, but not sure yet, which is why I am reading the manual and following this discussion ;-) )
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 12:57 PM
Tritok

Hope you are making peace with your new MP7. I must confess that as an owner of the MP6, I've always understood that every sound setting I created must be saved in a user setting in order to reproduce it later just the way I wanted it. It's a one-time operation. I turn it on, and call up my user setting.

I'm sorry you are having trouble with other issues, and glad to see that James has already acted on an update for the "Quick Compare" issue. I'd call that "excellent" customer service via James and Kawai! I use Kawai pedals with my MP6, so I have not experienced any problem with assignment - works flawlessly with the pedal designed for the board.

What we really want to know, Tritok, and what we're waiting for is what you think about the sounds, and the action of your new board. Have you had an opportunity to explore the possibilities? All of us who are keenly interested in the MP7 would really appreciate your thoughts.

I'm hoping that all your issues with your MP7 can be resolved, and that your new board provides you with many years of satisfaction and joy in playing. In the meantime, please tell us something about what you hear and feel when you play it!

Cheers!
H.K.
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 04:56 PM
Hi all.

I need help understanding how midi is recorded on the MP7. I read the manual and still don’t understand completely. Yes, I will be plugging it to laptop sometimes, but don’t want to have to rely on working the DAW all the time. I want to be able to sit down at the keyboard solo (set the tempo of a tune I’m working on) and capture a musical inspiration as it hits, having the option of saving that inspiration as a midi track to then try out on different instrument sounds (either software or MP7 hardware), convert that midi track to sheet music eventually, and also, most importantly, try a number of ‘takes’ at that moment of inspiration - all being captured as midi so that if I get one just right (not perfect of course, never perfect, in fact I’m after capturing that raw, inspired expression in the take), I can save it and maintain the option of using it in the final mix. This is critical since I’m a guitarist and vocalist first, and my compositions start there and then software instruments fill the mix and my keyboard skills are so-so at best and I need lots of try’s.

Also, if I’m playing along to one of the rhythm tracks on the MP7 for tempo, will the keys I’m playing record as midi solo, or will the rhythm track go into the midi file as well?

Kawai James said earlier in this thread that the MP7 records one midi track only (not 2 like the EP7) but then mentioned 10 songs. So could I record up to 10 takes of a musical inspiration as described and each one qualify as a ‘song’ (without including the rhythm)? Or is just one take at a time period, for midi, with each new take overwriting the previous and erasing it forever. I must be able to record and save more than just one take at a time. I don’t want to stay chained to the laptop/DAW combo for multiple takes, I want that ability in the keyboard solo. Recording as audio is not an acceptable option since I can’t then experiment with different instruments or create sheet music eventually. If it turns out it’s a one-take only opportunity for midi, how about moving files onto a usb drive take by take?

I’ve only used a cheapo Akai midi controller always with the DAW up to this point, and am looking to the MP7 to break that chain. Please someone help clarify if possible. Please don’t advise a workstation as there’s too much to them which overwhelms the creative process. I like the MP7’s large selection of sounds without going on and on ad naseum, and it’s apparent workflow and integrity as a fine piano-like instrument. I will be sharing it as a family instrument to teach my kids. I’m really hoping the midi will serve as desired. Thank you.
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 05:10 PM
I got my mp7 today, didn't have so much time to try it but I think I like it:)
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by david_ka
I got my mp7 today, didn't have so much time to try it but I think I like it:)

You only think you like it? Shouldn't it be 2hearts at first sight? wink

Congratulations!
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 05:58 PM
smile well, of course I like it but I must sit down with the manual and learn how everything works so I can get everything as I want it. Didn't have the time today.

Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 06:26 PM
I'm like a kid waiting for Christmas morning - I've been browsing the manual since before I ordered the unit smile (Due any day now)
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/29/14 07:59 PM
I couldn't stand you guys having all the fun without me, so mine's on the way, too. A special thanks to bryanstern for his input and help. smile
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 12:11 AM
rtisticdude,

Using the on-board MIDI recorder is simplicity itself.

It helps to READ THE MANUAL.

The rhythm track dose not get recorded.

On-board MIDI is one track recording but there are 10 song slots to put your 'takes'. You cant overdub MIDI recordings but you can overdub if you record as audio to a USB memory stick.


Ive loaded a few pic up to the Photo Galery....

Can someone tell me how to get the pics or URLs into a post please?

Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 12:49 AM
Thank you puff. Yes I reread the manual and your post answered the other points.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 01:00 AM
Originally Posted by rtistikdude
I want to be able to sit down at the keyboard solo (set the tempo of a tune I’m working on) and capture a musical inspiration as it hits, having the option of saving that inspiration as a midi track to then try out on different instrument sounds (either software or MP7 hardware), convert that midi track to sheet music eventually, and also, most importantly, try a number of ‘takes’ at that moment of inspiration - all being captured as midi so that if I get one just right (not perfect of course, never perfect, in fact I’m after capturing that raw, inspired expression in the take), I can save it and maintain the option of using it in the final mix.


Yes, you should be able to do all that.

Originally Posted by rtistikdude
Also, if I’m playing along to one of the rhythm tracks on the MP7 for tempo, will the keys I’m playing record as midi solo, or will the rhythm track go into the midi file as well?


The rhythm track will be recorded also, but to a separate channel (channel 10) of the MIDI file.

Originally Posted by rtistikdude
Kawai James said earlier in this thread that the MP7 records one midi track only (not 2 like the EP7) but then mentioned 10 songs.


That's correct.

Originally Posted by rtistikdude
So could I record up to 10 takes of a musical inspiration as described and each one qualify as a ‘song’ (without including the rhythm)?


Yes. Again, the rhythm track (if you decide to use it) will be recorded on a separate channel to the keys.

Originally Posted by rtistikdude
Or is just one take at a time period, for midi, with each new take overwriting the previous and erasing it forever.


There are 10 song memories that exist independently of each other, so you could record to song01, then song02, then song03, etc. without loosing what you had already played.

Originally Posted by rtistikdude
I must be able to record and save more than just one take at a time.


Well, you can only record to one song memory at the same time, however once you've recorded to song01, you can select song02 (which will presumably be empty) then record to that memory, and so on.

Originally Posted by rtistikdude
If it turns out it’s a one-take only opportunity for midi, how about moving files onto a usb drive take by take?


As noted above, the MP7 (and MP11) has ten internal song memories. After recording to song01, you select 'Save', enter the name, press OK, and the MIDI file is saved to USB.

Here's a MIDI file recorded on the MP7 in my office, consisting of keyboard and rhythm track. The playing is very rough and ready - I was literally just standing at the MP7, and didn't use the damper pedal etc. - but you should be able to import the file into your DAW to check that it will work for you.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/so29ba0xxrk9qa3/noodle%20in%20F.mid

I hope this post answers your questions.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 01:14 AM
Originally Posted by puff
The rhythm track dose not get recorded.


Actually, the rhythm track *is* recorded to the MIDI file, on a separate channel.

Please refer to page 96/97 of the manual (Recording with the metronome):

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* When recording with the metronome in Click mode, the metronome sound will not be heard during playback. However, when recording with the metronome in Rhythm mode, the drum pattern will be heard during playback.


Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
I couldn't stand you guys having all the fun without me, so mine's on the way, too.


Congrats vp!

You know what this means, yes...?

[Linked Image]
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 02:44 AM
James,

I'm glad to have posted my long diatribe and get your fine response and sample midi file. You're playing is far better than mine btw... smile

I loaded your sample into Ableton Live Intro 9 and Ableton Live Intro 8. Both programs would not separate the channels/regions no matter what. Loading the file into Garageband v.4.1.2 automatically separated the regions but I could in no way export the keys-only region as a midi file. This is a GarageBand limitation. In Ableton, both keys and rhythm hits share the midi range from A#0 to F4 and don't separate into channels. Rhythm hits and keys share midi tones and overlap. I think this is a limitation of the “Intro” versions of these DAWs.

Conclusion is the M7 does a fine job creating midi files that indeed will separate the rhythm tracks from the keys into different channels/regions. It does its job. My problem now is a DAW problem and so it’s time to go to the Ableton forum to kvetch and kibbitz.

Thanks again. I think one of these M7’s will soon be mine. For the price point it is a truly generous, complete keyboard that fulfills many needs at a very, very high standard.

Cheers.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 04:17 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Congrats vp!

Thanks, James!
Quote
You know what this means, yes...?

[Linked Image]

Phew, I wondered how I was going to bribe you get back on The List! wink
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 05:37 AM
Richard (voxpops)
Congratulations. May this (DP) be the One.
James, I want to get on that list also. Mine is due on Friday.
Thanks everyone for helping me make my decision and order my MP7.
It'll be my 5th DP in 6 months. Please. I want this one to stick.

Will let y'all know.
Bryan
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 06:12 AM
Congrats Bryan!

Regarding 'the list', this has been a long running joke between VP and I ever since he first sold his Nord Electro 2 (?). I suggested that, as he was no longer a member of 'club red' (the Nord owners club) he would not be receiving a Christmas card from me that year. This theme has continued on and off, following the purchase and subsequent sale of other Nord boards that VP has purchased over the years.

Now, having purchased the MP7, he is back on the list...fingers crossed this still remains the case by Christmas!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: willf Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 07:12 AM
Originally Posted by bryanstern
Just ordered an MP7 today from Sweetwater. Got it at a very sweet price. Really looking forward to checking it out and will, of course, report back here.


I'm looking forward to your report. I hope to be able to try one myself in May.

If I remember correctly you were considering the CP4 so I would be interested to hear how they compare.
Posted By: willf Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 07:13 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
I couldn't stand you guys having all the fun without me, so mine's on the way, too. A special thanks to bryanstern for his input and help. smile


I look forward to hearing what you think.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by willf
I look forward to hearing what you think.

It's not in my nature to keep my thoughts to myself! wink
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by bryanstern
Richard (voxpops)
Congratulations. May this (DP) be the One.

Thank you! I sincerely hope so, too.
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 04:12 PM
James
Thanks for the explanation. I truly hope that VP and I are both in the Kawai camp come Christmas.

Willf
I should be receiving my MP7 on Friday. I have bought (and returned) two CP4s. So, I will absolutely be comparing the two in both my mind and words shared here.

There was lots I liked about the CP4. I was close to keeping it. But, I just wasn't ready to "marry' it.
More on this (and MP7) in coming days.

Bryan
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 09:12 PM
I've been playin' and learning the mp7 a bit more today and I like it more and more. I really think the key click level in organ mode is a great feature. It's fun playin' the organ on it. I'm not an organist so a real organ player may not agree:)

I have put my Nord electro 3 on top, mostly for organ playin' but I'm not sure I will need it so much.

I will play with the band tomorrow and I will use it for a small gig this weekend.
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 10:26 PM
I got my MP7 today, wahoo!

I'm coming from a MP5 and need some time to get used to the new layout, hardware and software wise.
There's one bug I already found, and it's keeping me from bringing the board to a gig this weekend.

How to reproduce:
-play a 'sound' preset (ie. 1-1-A)
-hold down your pedal
-release your fingers (the sound will continue due to pedalling)
-press 'setup'-button
-PROBLEM: sound gets a lot louder

If you now move the 'main'-fader just a tiny little up, the volume goes down to where it should've been.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 04/30/14 11:46 PM

Maybe Im lucky and have a 100% functioning unit but this dosn't sound like a bug to me.

Relative volumes of sounds and setups are going to be hit or miss until you re-program them.

In setup mode just press Edit-scroll to Sound - Yes - and lower the volume (main sound?) Then save to that setup.

Sorry to be so obvious if it turns out do you have a bug.





Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 12:06 AM
Good morning,

Originally Posted by Lennert
I got my MP7 today, wahoo!


Congrats!

Originally Posted by Lennert
-play a 'sound' preset (ie. 1-1-A)
-hold down your pedal
-release your fingers (the sound will continue due to pedalling)
-press 'setup'-button
-PROBLEM: sound gets a lot louder


I've just tried this on the prototype MP7 in my office, but cannot reproduce this issue.

Are you using the latest v1.03 OS?

Originally Posted by Lennert
If you now move the 'main'-fader just a tiny little up, the volume goes down to where it should've been.


Ah, I see. I don't believe this is a bug.

If in 'SOUND' mode you set the MAIN zone level fader to a relatively low position (e.g. 1/4), then switch to 'SETUP' mode which selects a memory stored with a different level position, there will be change in volume. I believe most instruments that feature some kind of 'user preset' functionality (including all other MPs) behave in this way.

Moving the fader after selecting a SETUP memory with a different stored position will result in a 'jump' back to the fader's position. However, this behaviour can be changed in the SYSTEM menu.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by puff
Relative volumes of sounds and setups are going to be hit or miss until you re-program them.


Yep.
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 01:49 AM

Happy May morning to you James!

Well soon it will be too here in Oxford.

So far Ive done more programing (mostly sounds)than I have played music on this board.There are a few, to me counter intuitive things Im not clear about with the MP7 to do with the EQ and Offset and saving different sounds in existing sound slots but i'll save that for later when you've sorted out all these newbie 'problems'

Can we petition for individual briliance settings PER NOTE to be included in the next update?

No Really.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 01:54 AM
Originally Posted by puff


Can we petition for individual briliance settings PER NOTE to be included in the next update?

No Really.
LOL. How about play better? laugh
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 02:09 AM

Well that too.
Its OK for you MP11 owners who have your brilliance setting and probably dont even play with it.
I think if hadn't gone down the road of buying electronic instuments 17 years ago I could now be playing my own Petrof grand and probably be a better player as well.
But then James might be out of a job.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 02:17 AM
Originally Posted by puff

Well that too.
Its OK for you MP11 owners who have your brilliance setting and probably dont even play with it.
I think if hadn't gone down the road of buying electronic instuments 17 years ago I could now be playing my own Petrof grand and probably be a better player as well.
But then James might be out of a job.
Well, we wouldn't want that. Carry on!

Btw, I have played with the brilliance setting. smile
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 02:27 AM

Night-Night Morodiene,

Im going to dream that I'm performing John Ireland's E flat Piano Concerto on your Petrof.

(You will be turning my music!)
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 10:06 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James


Ah, I see. I don't believe this is a bug.

If in 'SOUND' mode you set the MAIN zone level fader to a relatively low position (e.g. 1/4), then switch to 'SETUP' mode which selects a memory stored with a different level position, there will be change in volume. I believe most instruments that feature some kind of 'user preset' functionality (including all other MPs) behave in this way.



Dear James,

Thanks for the reply. I actually thought about this when I was in bed, but I was too sleepy to edit my post. However, there's still some things to sort out I guess.

Here's a video of why I can't use my MP7 for a gig yet. Video is hidden on YouTube, I don't want to discourage people to buy this beautiful piano.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uexdC4r8R-4

The sound changes when switching to another instrument. This doesn't happen on my MP5. It would just let the first sound/setup sustain until the damper is released.

I hope you can now hear what I meant.

PS: OS is up to date (1.03)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 01:06 PM
Lennert, do the two SETUPs you are using both have the same reverb/effect settings?

James
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Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 01:49 PM
In the video, I use the stock setups 1-2-A (Bright Piano) and 5-2-C (String Paddy). I think the reverb/effect settings don't match, since it's piano versus strings. It would be great though, to have the parameters from the first sound still present for the notes you hit before switching sounds.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/01/14 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Lennert
It would be great though, to have the parameters from the first sound still present for the notes you hit before switching sounds.

This is a constant gripe. Even though some keyboards from the '80s had "patch remain," we are still seeing boards that claim to be pro level that don't function this way. It really isn't good enough to have the sound remain but the effects change, since the result is displeasing and ugly. I'm wondering why it's so difficult for the programmers to allow the current settings to remain until key-off commands have been received for the outgoing sound, but I assume it requires an extra, unused part of the effects DSP through which to route the incoming sound and effects.
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/02/14 04:54 AM
Got my MP7! I made a 180 Kilometre round trip to pick it up. I must be hooked. My wife has started to complain about being a "piano widow".

Patrick
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/02/14 09:17 PM
Just got my MP7. Set it up. A few things to say, at this very early point. My last DP was the Yamaha CP4. The MP7 is light years better looking. It doesn't feel cheap like the CP4. More solid. Somewhat heavier (but thats the price you pay for a more quality construction). A good deal less expensive. The Jazz Grand, unedited, sounds pretty darn nice. The action is lighter and definitely different than the CP4. I really liked the keyboard on the CP4. It'll take some time to form a definitive opinion on this, but I think I will like the action.

30 minutes is way too early to give even a mini review. But, the MP7 makes a very good initial impression. More later.
Bryan
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/02/14 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by bryanstern
Just got my MP7.

Congratulations, Bryan - and Patrick!

Mine's due to arrive tomorrow. It'll be interesting to compare our experiences...
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/02/14 10:14 PM
Thanks, Richard.
Once again. Hope you really like it.

Doing some editing on EPs. Nice. Got my VST EPs playing on MP7. Sounds/works great. Got Vintage D going on MP7 but experiencing definitive latency I never had before on CP4. Haven't figured that one out yet.
Bryan
Posted By: Dave Ferris Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/02/14 10:18 PM
I just returned from taking my wife to LAX for a trip to STL this weekend.

As I was on the way home, I stopped in at Pierre's Fine Pianos in W. LA and lo and behold...he had a new MP7 he pulled out of a box for me.

Wow...very nice. Terrific action and piano sounds. I just played it with some Sony phones he had there but they were good quality. I didn't get to all the sounds (there sure are a lot of them) but mainly focused on the APs ,some of the EPs, the basses and drums.

I might have liked the Studio grand, jazz grand or mellow grand a tad more then the default Concert on first play. I'm sure through speakers everything takes on a different character. The rhodes sounded good as did the wurlis. The Ac. bass wasn't as strong as the CP4 or RD800 but still very good and certainly useable for LH bass duties.

On to the most important thing - the drums. grin I have to say Kawai has the best sounding grooves/patterns for Latin. The Afro/Cuban pattern, I believe under the "Jazz" category", was absolutely killing ! As were the Bossas and sambas. This thing's a latin groove rhythm monster...I loved it !

Listening to the Ac bass/Piano split...the piano sounded a tad harsh in upper registers. This was for single note jazz solos/lines. Not so much for chording. I didn't mess at all with EQ, so this can probably be smoothed out I'd guess. Could have been the phones too.

All the drum patterns I scrolled through were perfect for a solo gig where I do the LH bass/drum/vocal thing. They covered many different styles, very well. I spent a lot of time listening to all the patterns, the sound of the drums/cymbals, and maybe only came upon a couple, at most, that had a cheese factor. I do wish you could assign the drum sounds to one of the sliders for volume, but Pierre spoke with a Kawai guy, and apparently you can't.

Just has a piano it would be fine, I think, in a jazz trio context. You never really know about this stuff till you get it out on the gig, through your speakers and hear it with the rhythm section. But I thought the piano had plenty of sustain and a nice tone. Much better then the previous generation MP6.

Build quality is the best I've seen in any DP released in the last year. Hands down, not even debatable. Super attractive with the wood panel ends and black. Yeah it's defintley a winner.

I did just purchase a CP4, but if I can sell my Nord Piano 2, this MP7, the RD800 and still considering re-buying the CP5, are on the shortlist because of the drum patterns for solo gigs.
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 02:09 AM
Thanks so much Dave. Excited to see your initial feelings on the MP7. I have been playing it for several hours now and my excitement for it has grown by leaps and bounds. I heard that same harshness in upper registers when first playing it, but can't find the harshness now.

I have really warmed to the Grand (which I was a bit cool to). Now it is sounding great to me. I must say, after several hours, I really like the acoustic pianos. I returned a CP4 several months ago and must say that I totally prefer these Kawai APs. I needed to do a good deal of editing on the CP4 AP#1 to tone it down for my use. I liked #2, but still greatly prefer the MP7 APs. I could never come to peace with #3 no matter how much editing I did.

I am also happily surprised with the Rhodes on the MP7. Sounds great with little work. I haven't tried the Acoustic Bass/Piano split yet. That was something the CP4 really nailed though.

I am still figuring out the whole editing thing on the MP7 but I like it so much more than editing on the CP4. It just feels much more flexible and more modern. The whole thing just looks and feels so much better than the CP4. And, this thing is just so good looking and solid, something that couldn't be said about the CP4.

More later, but just wanted to add these few thoughts.
Bryan
Posted By: yonatan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 04:39 AM
@Dave Ferris, i told you, you'll love the MP7. You should definitely mess around with the virtual technician long enough, and build your desired piano sound. I needed quite a time till i found my settings. But then i was very satisfied.
I wished MP11 has those drums as well. Would be nice to practice with.

Regarding the build quality: yes, the MP7/11 are the best built DPs out there atm. You really feel, that you have a premium instrument under your hands. Those wood sides are so gorgeous.
Posted By: Kurt W Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 05:40 AM
Originally Posted by yonatan
I wished MP11 has those drums as well. Would be nice to practice with.

The MP11 and MP7 have identical metronome/drum features according to the specifications?
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 07:30 AM
Bryanstern. What parameters are you changing to get a warmer sound?

/David
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 05:52 PM
David
I haven't done much editing at all on the APs. I really like the Jazz Grand as it has more warmth to my ear than the Concert Grand. I have never played a Kawai (in any form). Fortunately, I really like the sound and am quite happy. The sound is crisp and clean. It took several hours of playing for me to "warm" to the sound.
But, I find this to always be the case with new acoustics. I play both the VST Ravenscroft and Galaxie Vintage D and each took time for me to "warm" to. I didn't really like either at first, that much. Yes, I warmed up the sound of both with editing, but beauty comes in many forms. I love both of them now, although each is very different.

So, what I am kind of saying, is that I am giving the Kawai APs time for me to get really used to them before diving in to editing mode.

None of this probably helps, but it's my two cents.
Bryan
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 08:36 PM
I´m also new to Kawai pianos. I like the sound of the mellow grand but I´m not so sure it´s good in a band with bass, guitar and drums.

But I must say that I like the MP7 and the more I play the more I like it:)
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 08:55 PM
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Very first impressions after setting up and playing around for ten minutes:
Looks
What a beautiful keyboard! It's really nice to have an instrument that has been thoughtfully designed using quality materials. And it's also really nice to have the controls laid out in a functional and easy-to-use way. I really don't want this to get beat-up on gigs!
Sound
I agree pretty much with bryanstern. This is not an immediate "wow" piano, like some of the silky-smooth and warm, higher-end Rolands, but it has a very clear tone that I think would sit very nicely in an ensemble setting. I can totally understand why Dave Ferris would like it, and I agree with him that it is a significant step up from the MP6. I need to spend time with it and get to know it.
Glitches
Unfortunately, I've already experienced one glitch. I'd gone to the first EP sound and added the second EFX parameter (phaser), and when I wanted to return to AP, nothing I pressed would change the sound. When I selected the Concert Grand, the screen changed to the CG parameters, but the sound remained stuck on EP with phaser: same when trying to change to other sounds. In the end I used the panic button and that restored the MP7 to its
default state. A little worrying... I haven't checked the OS version yet, but I will upgrade to the latest version when I have time.

EDIT: Just realized this may have been operator error! I may have inadvertently clicked the SUB1 button while trying to change the MAIN sound. Not certain, but being an MP7 noob, it would not surprise me that I pressed something I shouldn't have. Anyway, I updated the OS, and all seems fine.

I will come back in a few days and provide a reasonably in-depth report. In the meantime, my overall impression is that this is one heck of a big bang for your buck!
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 09:11 PM
…And that's what voxpops has to say… (the jury on voxpox is still out!) Lol!

Play On!
H.K.
cool

P.S. That's a beautiful setup!
Posted By: petes1 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 09:22 PM
vox: That's positively gorgeous! Does she sound as good as she looks? Also, what speakers do you have? What type of mixing board is present? Any other components in your set up?
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 09:22 PM
Richard (voxpops)
Congrats. Have fun my friend.
Bryan
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by petes1
vox: That's positively gorgeous!

Yes, it is!

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Does she sound as good as she looks?

The sound is very clear. I've literally only had a few minutes with it, but will report back later when I can evaluate more thoroughly.

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Also, what speakers do you have? What type of mixing board is present? Any other components in your set up?

At the moment I'm running through Yamaha HS80M speakers, which are very honest and unforgiving, so it's a great test for the MP7. There's an Alesis Multimix 8 USB 2.0 mixer in the chain, which allows me to add other instruments and route everything through to my Mac (and vice versa).
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by bryanstern
Richard (voxpops)
Congrats. Have fun my friend.
Bryan

Many thanks, Bryan. You, too!
Posted By: Dave Ferris Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 09:53 PM
Congrats Richard. Nice looking setup. Yeah isn't that a beautiful keyboard ? One of the nicest, if not the nicest one I've seen.

It makes you not want to take it out and get all scuffed up. The CP4 on the other hand...has that utilitarian look to it where you wouldn't mind a few scratches.. grin

I'd like to spend more time with it too. It did seem like the piano had a good amount of sustain to it. One of my "acid" tests, at least for pop type stuff, is to play that synth lick (on piano) which occurs frequently from Michael Jackson's "Human Nature" while playing LH bass with a drum groove. If I don't need a ton of pedaling to connect all the 16th notes, and the line itself still sounds full against just the LH bass, I know it has good sustain.

Again I thought the sound on single note jazz lines was a tad harsh..at least through the particular Sony phones I was using. And again with some eq and some judicious editing , through my speakers and DI/preamp - it might not seem at all that strident as I experienced on first play.

I thought all the sounds I played - AP, EP, basses - really connected well with the action.

Yes looking forward to your review on it...enjoy. smile
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Congrats Richard. Nice looking setup. Yeah isn't that a beautiful keyboard ? One of the nicest, if not the nicest one I've seen.

It makes you not want to take it out and get all scuffed up. The CP4 on the other hand...has that utilitarian look to it where you wouldn't mind a few scratches.. grin

I'd like to spend more time with it too. It did seem like the piano had a good amount of sustain to it. One of my "acid" tests, at least for pop type stuff, is to play that synth lick (on piano) which occurs frequently from Michael Jackson's "Human Nature" while playing LH bass with a drum groove. If I don't need a ton of pedaling to connect all the 16th notes, and the line itself still sounds full against just the LH bass, I know it has good sustain.

Again I thought the sound on single note jazz lines was a tad harsh..at least through the particular Sony phones I was using. And again with some eq and some judicious editing , through my speakers and DI/preamp - it might not seem at all that strident as I experienced on first play.

I thought all the sounds I played - AP, EP, basses - really connected well with the action.

Yes looking forward to your review on it...enjoy. smile

Thanks, Dave. The slight harshness doesn't surprise me. The piano samples are from the same session that also went into the MP6 and MP10 which also exhibited that characteristic. I think that the original source piano must have had a fairly strident tone. Voicing to "Mellow 1" takes a little of the edge off.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 10:50 PM
Congrats VP! Thanks for posting the pics of your setup too.

I agree with you about the MP7's appearance - very classy, and truly looks like a little brother of the MP11 (rather than a distant cousin like the MP6). When I saw the first prototype board I told the designer it was the best looking Kawai I'd ever seen.

Regarding the glitch, have you been able to repeat this? Your edit does suggest user error. Please ensure that the correct zone is selected (the highlighted tab in the bottom of the display).

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 11:10 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Congrats VP! Thanks for posting the pics of your setup too.

Thanks, James! Couldn't resist posting the pics as it is the most beautiful DP I've ever owned (and I've owned a lot!!!).

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Regarding the glitch, have you been able to repeat this? Your edit does suggest user error. Please ensure that the correct zone is selected (the highlighted tab in the bottom of the display).

I managed to repeat it once, but I can't remember the exact sequence of button presses. I think it does have something to do with the SUB. If I can work out what's going on (or more accurately, what I'm doing), I'll let you know.

Haven't had a chance to study the manual in depth yet, but the parts I have looked at were very clear and well written. One thing that needs pointing out is that users should refer to the revised update procedure on the Kawai website rather than the one in the manual, as that only asks the user to transferthe MP7-040.SYS file to the USB stick, whereas the 1.03 update contains an additional file that must also be transferred.

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/03/14 11:27 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
One thing that needs pointing out is that users should refer to the revised update procedure on the Kawai website rather than the one in the manual, as that only asks the user to transferthe MP7-040.SYS file to the USB stick, whereas the 1.03 update contains an additional file that must also be transferred.


Yes, that's a good point. The printed owner's manual currently included is a few revisions older than the latest PDF. The update instructions are also included on the KJ downloads page (as part of the changelog).

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 03:46 AM
I really like your setup Voxpops. Wish my was as organised.

I've had my MP7 a couple of days now, so I thought I would share a couple of things.

I love the look and feel of this piano. I agree with Voxpops' comment about not getting it beat up on gigs. It would be a shame to scuff up such a nice unit.

The interface is intuitive and easy to use. I have played around with various settings, particularly with the APs and EPs, and although I don't really know what I'm doing (hopefully that will come later) I've come up with various enhanced configurations. Of course, one of the first things I looked for in the manual was the process for doing a factory reset. Wouldn't want the concert grand preset permanently sounding like a chipmunk!

The keyboard action is so light (and quiet) compared to the Casio that I've just put out to pasture. I don't know whether everyone considers this a good thing, but I find it suits me. My wife appreciates the lower volume keyboard bashing during headphone-based practice too.

There's also something about sitting at this piano that makes one feel as if one is sitting at a "real" (acoustic) piano. I don't know if it's the build quality or some subconscious association of the Kawai brand, but it's a feeling I didn't really get with the Casio (although loyalty dictates that I stress that the Casio was a fine piano - just not in the same league as the MP7).

Still early days for my exploration. I'm getting lots of enjoyment from my new piano.

Patrick
Posted By: Maxpiano Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:51 AM
Originally Posted by Tritok
Ok , sorry to bring bad news , but I have an another problem with my expression pedal this time (boss-fv500L , very common, I use it with all my others keyboards with no problems)...
In SYSTEM , EXP curve : Normal , EXP Pol.:Normal , calibration done... In Edit Mode, EXP pedal on ,EXP assign : Expression (of course)
The problem : The Expression Pedal does act as one , but also change parameters in the main screen , the ones assigned to Knobs(for instance in Concert grand , it changes the value in stereo width, or random parameters in the screen !!!) , and also illuminates the led beside the mod Wheel !
Can anyone can reproduce this issue ?
Have I again misread the manual ?


Yesterday I was eventually able to test drive an MP7 at a local shop and since I also own a FV500L I took it with me: I am sorry to say that I could reproduce the issue described above

I also tried with another brand of EXP pedal (TC Electronics) at the shop to be sure it wasn't an issue specific to the FV: same results.

I believe this is a software problem since an electrical incompatibility (the value and wiring of the EXP pedal pot) would in the worst case cause an error in the value (or no value) but not messing up with parameters on the screen as I and Tritok experienced.
Hope Kawai will fix it in next FW release.

Note: apparently the issue was not showing soon after poweron, using the Concert Grand 1 default sound, but as I switched to El. piano 1 it started to happen and continued also when going back to Concert Grand 1 or any other sound. I also tried Factory Reset and Exp calibration etc. but nothing changed.
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 03:06 PM
Great setup voxpops! Here's mine, with the MP7 temporarily in my bedroom studio to get the hang of it.

[Linked Image]


Kawai James, any news on this one?
Originally Posted by Lennert
In the video, I use the stock setups 1-2-A (Bright Piano) and 5-2-C (String Paddy). I think the reverb/effect settings don't match, since it's piano versus strings. It would be great though, to have the parameters from the first sound still present for the notes you hit before switching sounds.


And I can confirm the issue with the EXP pedal changing random parameters in the main screen.

Loving the device overall. My MP5 looks old now.
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 03:38 PM
Originally Posted by Maxpiano

Yesterday I was eventually able to test drive an MP7 at a local shop and since I also own a FV500L I took it with me: I am sorry to say that I could reproduce the issue described above

I also tried with another brand of EXP pedal (TC Electronics) at the shop to be sure it wasn't an issue specific to the FV: same results.

I believe this is a software problem since an electrical incompatibility (the value and wiring of the EXP pedal pot) would in the worst case cause an error in the value (or no value) but not messing up with parameters on the screen as I and Tritok experienced.
Hope Kawai will fix it in next FW release.

Note: apparently the issue was not showing soon after poweron, using the Concert Grand 1 default sound, but as I switched to El. piano 1 it started to happen and continued also when going back to Concert Grand 1 or any other sound. I also tried Factory Reset and Exp calibration etc. but nothing changed.


Originally Posted by Lennert

And I can confirm the issue with the EXP pedal changing random parameters in the main screen.



Lennert I see you have Boss FV500L too ...feels good not being alone anymore !
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 03:45 PM
Maxpiano suggested me this :

Originally Posted by Maxpiano
Meanwhile, an idea for another test; you can try to use the FV500L with a Y cable (stereo - 2 x mono) connected this way:

- stereo jack to MP7
- 1 x mono jack to input L of FV500L
- 1 x mono jack to output L of FV500L

I had to do this way when I had stability problems (but only on the value!) using the FV with a Studiologic Acuna (this instability it is a known issue of the Acuna not a problem of the FV)

NOTE: swapping the mono jacks will reverse the "polarity" so you can try 2 combinations (as an alternative, or change the polarity through the MP7 system menu)


I've tried this...and it works !!! No problem with random parameters being changed on the screen !! So , what do you think ? Is it a software problem or an electronic conception problem ?
Of course , it works ,but it's not a solution...
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Tritok
Maxpiano suggested me this :

Thanks! This will bridge the gap until it's fixed in the OS (if that's possible).


Does anyone know if there's an online library or exchange for setup presets (.km6 files)?

I've made one for Narcotic by Liquido.
SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/zagny/mp7-narcotic-1/s-zqAxV
KM6: https://app.box.com/s/vmj96ak2vh2k5flj6lq0
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:03 PM
I'm just starting to explore my MP7. The Concert Grand sounds great using my AKG 271 headphones but a little brittle in the mids through my Event TR-8 monitors. I'll have to play with the settings but the Jazz Piano seems to be fine with the TR8s. I like to mix my DP with a sampled piano on my iMac for just playing at home. The DP eliminates latency and the sampled piano usually adds more warmth and fullness to the sound but I'll be using it mostly as a DAW keyboard controller.

I have the MP7 users manual on my iPad Air by creating a PDF of the online manual and adding it to my Dropbox folder for cloud access.

I really like what you can do with the solo voice patches. I might try using them on one of my concoctions.

Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:10 PM
I have to report that there is a problem with randomly changing parameters, without anything other than the standard damper pedal being attached. I suspect this is due to oversensitive (or "jumpy") pots. While trying to dial in settings, for example using knob "C" to adjust DCF decay, I would notice random parameter shifts in other fields. And when stepping forward or back through pages, I would find that a bunch of other parameters had changed without my touching anything! Similarly, while adjusting EQ, I could see the highlighted pot occasionally become one other than the one I had just been adjusting, or was about to adjust. This never happened with the MP6, if memory serves.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by fastlanephil
I'm just starting to explore my MP7. The Concert Grand sounds great using my AKG 271 headphones but a little brittle in the mids through my Event TR-8 monitors.

I'm experiencing exactly the same when conmparing the sound through my old Beyerdynamic DT550s and my HS80Ms. The sound through the headphones is significantly less brittle.
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:15 PM
Join the club , voxpops ! wink
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by Lennert
Great setup voxpops! Here's mine, with the MP7 temporarily in my bedroom studio to get the hang of it.

[Linked Image]

Very nice, Lennert! How are you finding the sound through your Yamahas?
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:19 PM
Originally Posted by Tritok
Join the club , voxpops ! wink


If you're referring to the parameters shifting, it's actually quite a major issue, since it's almost impossible to create a setup that accurately reflects what one's trying to do. frown
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:21 PM
Exactly...
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Very nice, Lennert! How are you finding the sound through your Yamahas?

I'm more of a performer than an audiophile, but I bought the Yamaha HS8s because of their fair sound and think they're doing great. Other monitors give so much extra low to make music sound more intense... I think the Yamaha HS-series is the best choice for piano players. Which ones are you using? And if it's the HS-series, what are those black parts on the white cones?

I'm with you on the expression pedal. This is indeed a major issue and makes setting up some automation for it pretty useless as it will change the sound in many ways.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Lennert
I think the Yamaha HS-series is the best choice for piano players. Which ones are you using? And if it's the HS-series, what are those black parts on the white cones?

HS80M. The black parts are where the wires are connected.


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I'm with you on the expression pedal. This is indeed a major issue and makes setting up some automation for it pretty useless as it will change the sound in many ways.

I've been discussing this with Tritok, and I don't think this is just an expression pedal issue - parameter values shift at random without a pedal being attached.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 07:02 PM
I just sent a short video to James showing the parameters shifting without pedals or user intervention.
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/04/14 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by fastlanephil
I'm just starting to explore my MP7. The Concert Grand sounds great using my AKG 271 headphones but a little brittle in the mids through my Event TR-8 monitors.

I'm experiencing exactly the same when conmparing the sound through my old Beyerdynamic DT550s and my HS80Ms. The sound through the headphones is significantly less brittle.


I hooked my Yamaha P-140 back up and compared the phones to the monitors and I hear essentially the same thing . I don't hear any of this with my old Clavinova CLP-555 which has it's own built in speaker system to emulate a grand piano sound so it has to do with the amp/speaker monitor configuration vs the headphones. I think I might call Sweetwater about it or go to the local music store and check out how they are amplifying their DPs.
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 04:06 PM
Short followup report on MP7. In short, I love it. Whether it is infatuation or true love, only time will tell.
But, I truly get lost in the music on this board. The connection of keys to sound is fantastic.
I have adjusted the Virtual Technician to Mellow 1 for Grand and Jazz Grand. I eq'd to taste.
I changed some reverb settings and that's it, so far. It's made a bid difference on the harshness front.
I am finding these APs to be really satisfying. Hardly using my Ravenscroft or Galaxie Vintage D at this point,
although I am sure, certain music will pull me towards them.

I altered a lot of EP settings. Still playing mostly from Sounds. Haven't saved any patches to Setup yet.
I really love the Rhodes sounds. Not sure on Wurlis yet. On prior boards, I mostly used Lounge Lizard.
The tines on the MP7 really compare favorably and are the best internal tines I have used.

The editing on this thing (as I get used to it) is simply great. This is only my 5th DP ever, so I don't have tons
of experience but this is by far the easiest and most flexible editing I have used. Really fun and easy to use.

So, that's it for now. Hope it helps.
Bryan
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 05:22 PM
I agree, I used it this weekend on a small gig. It was a charity concert in a church and really enjoyed playing the AP on the mp7. I used the Jazz grand.
I also used the drawbar organ and it sounded good too, but I think my nord electro 3 is a little bit better on the organ. So I think I'll keep my Nord for organ playin'. To my ears, the organ in the nord is warmer.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 05:53 PM
I'm a day behind Bryan in my tweaking and analysis, so haven't delved as deep yet. I've been concentrating on "taming" the piano sound a little, and trying to work around the jittery controls / random parameter shift issue.

First of all, I totally agree about the connection of keys to sound being excellent - and a major improvement over the MP6. It is possible to play with refinement and subtlety, and, for the first time in a long time, it's a board that will allow me to work with conviction on long-neglected classical pieces. The keys have a fairly short throw, but that doesn't seem to impede control, and the ivory feel is very pleasant. Compared to the Nord (Fatar) HA keyboard, RHII is in another league. It is also way less fatiguing to play than Roland's Ivory-Feel G, with much better black key response, too. It thumps less and bottoms out softer than Roland's PHAIII, and has the third sensor that Yamaha's GH action lacks. The default velocity curve is also better than that in the Casio PX-5S.

The piano sound was bothering me at first. It does have a slightly brittle quality, a tad thin, perhaps, when compared to some other digitals, and doesn't seem to "sing" as much in the mid to upper registers as either Nord or Roland. I decided to test it on my Roland CM-30s in place of the HS80 studio monitors. The reduced fidelity of the Roland speakers seemed to help with the harshness, but at the same time reduced the clarity of the original sound somewhat. So, I decided to add the CM-30s in between the HS80s. That helped fill out the sound a little, but also gave a huge boost to authenticity. With the sound coming from both left and right extremities as well as from left-center and right-center, it felt almost like I was playing the real thing, with a soundboard spread out in front of me!

As for the piano sound itself, I experimented with the mellow settings vs EQ adjustment. In the end, I decided to stick with "Normal" for the piano sound, and raised the bass end of the EQ spectrum while also lowering the high end. That seemed to affect the clarity less than using the mellow settings. Because the EQ setting is global, I'll have to see how that impacts the other sounds, but it's easy to just hit the EQ button in order to cancel the adjustment. I have also experimented with increasing the piano decay time very slightly to try to help it sing a little, but I haven't decided whether I'll stick with that or not. I recall creating a couple of setups on the MP6 that had increased decay and made legato playing more enjoyable. Increasing damper resonance (from 5) to 6 or 7 gives greater immersion, and maybe helps to mask the brittleness a little, but this jury's still out on that. I think I'll mainly be using Jazz Grand 1 and Concert Grand 1, but the different (somewhat familiar) character of the #2 grand pianos is also a possibility for certain applications. I've only spent a few seconds on the upright, but it seems well done and is distinctive.

As for EPs, I've not really delved into those yet. I did notice that EP1 is not quite as aggressive as its counterpart in the MP6 (which you could spank the heck out of), but it sounds good, and I do like the Wurli, which seems more authentic than those in many boards. From my cursory inspection of the EPs, I'd say they are way more authentic and usable than those in the Roland FP-50, and a notch up from the excellent PX-5S offerings.

On first trying out the drawbar sounds (in the SOUND bank), I wasn't very impressed, but when I accessed the drawbar setups they were greatly improved. I doubt I'll be playing organ much on this board, but I'd say that they are better than on most ROMplers, if not quite at current clonewheel standard - but getting there! Similarly, the rotor simulation is improved from its predecessor. There is just a hint of chorus/phaser sound from the rotary sim, and I'd say that the latest clonewheels and external pedals have a more "airy" sounding sim. On certain settings I wasn't taken with the fast speed, which exhibited a tendency to warble, but generally the whole drawbar section is markedly better than what went before. One thing to note is that with the keys set to the highest trigger point, the organs do tend to double-trigger with the return key bounce.

I skimmed through the other settings, and found a couple of pads that were nice, and appreciated the addition of portamento to solo synth sounds. The acoustic bass is very usable for split piano/bass. I wish that there were a dedicated "split" button, but it's easy enough to set up splits, and it's great that you have instant control over the volume balance. And generally, as Bryan points out, editing is a breeze....

....which brings me to the jittery control pots. This is bad news, and I can't see how this would not have been spotted during testing, post-manufacture. It's something that I've seen before on low-end MIDI controllers, but I didn't expect it on a relatively high-end DP. So, you're editing your sound, and you glance at the screen and notice that the value you set has jumped by about 10%, and the parameter you didn't even touch is now highlighted and has also changed value. Then you go back a screen or two and find other values have altered themselves as well. No way can you get an accurate representation of what you're trying to achieve ready for saving as a setup. I could sit there and just watch the highlight jumping from parameter to parameter with no intervention on my part. That was when I took a short video of it to send to KJ (whom I suspect is away from the office at the moment). A partial workaround was to change the system value for the controllers to "catch," which means the pots have to find the set value before they can change it. This works when the pot and value are not synched, but may not stop undesired changes if you've just set the value; and it certainly does not stop the cursor jumping around. Setting the panel lock on, you can monitor the number of times the knobs try to change the parameter by the number of times the panel lock warning screen flashes up - and it's frequent on my board! So editing at the moment is extremely hit and miss, and needs sorting out quickly.

That aside, there is a huge amount to love about this board, and I enjoy just looking at it!
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 07:11 PM
Jittery controls - reminds me of my short ownership of the Novation 61 SL II with "touch" control that even 'controlled' the heck out of everything when you switched 'touch' off. Was unworkable for me and very , very annoying. Where in the Novation it was perhaps , cheap lightweight hardware - which you can't fix by firmware updates, the Kawai issue may be fixable by a simple software tweak. I bet the engineers are already working on it. Fingers crossed...

Posted By: mordecai Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 07:30 PM
I was determined to order the MP7 this week but then came across this (excellent) forum and now I'm a bit worried. What if that jittery control problem is hardware-based? Also, Bryanstern mentions a latency when using the MP7 via a piano VST (Galaxy Vintage D). Has anyone else seen this (or Bryan did you manage to sort it?). One last question for an MP7 owner, how much more difficult is it playing toward the back of the keys, given the short fulcrum distance? My current master keyboard (Keystation pro88) is not very piano-like in action but strangely doesn't suffer from any increased resistance even at the very top of the key. Many thanks for any response guys.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 08:38 PM
Originally Posted by mordecai
\Bryanstern mentions a latency when using the MP7 via a piano VST (Galaxy Vintage D). Has anyone else seen...?

No latency with Pianoteq - works very well with that VST.
Posted By: Maxpiano Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by mordecai
\Bryanstern mentions a latency when using the MP7 via a piano VST (Galaxy Vintage D). Has anyone else seen...?

No latency with Pianoteq - works very well with that VST.


Latency is not usually due to the MIDI Controller or affected by using different ones (unless a severe mulfunction of the MIDI output, DIN or USB, is happening which is quite rare) , rather the soundcard ASIO drivers and their settings should be checked and tuned to lower latency, as far as the HW performance of the PC+Soundcard allow.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 09:10 PM
I agree, although it's possible that latency could be introduced if the MP7's "hammer delay" function had been inadvertently changed (perhaps by the mischievous gremlins that are currently taking control of the MP's parameters). I noticed that the same function in the PX-5S worked on both internal and external sound sources.
Posted By: mordecai Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 09:47 PM
Ah yes voxpops, that makes sense. I suppose I'd better wait until anti-gremlin software or firmware update is announced before buying.
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/05/14 10:27 PM
Reporting back on the latency issue, as I see it is being discussed. Problem fixed
after update. No more latency and mixer volume for midi which hadn't been working is now fine also.

Also, was speaking to my sales rep at Sweetwater today. I purchased my MP7 for $1529.15. He said he
can do this price for any of you on this forum. PM me for details if interested.
Bryan
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 12:17 AM
Good morning chaps,

I've been away from the forum for a little while as the it's 'Golden Week' holiday here in Japan. Most of Hamamatsu has been enjoying the kite flying/fighting and evening street parades as part of the May festival for the past few days.

The issue with the BOSS expression pedal was reported just before the start of the holiday, while the jittery knob findings reported by voxpops will also be investigated when Japan returns to work later this week.

In the meantime, I have recommend to Tritok and voxpops that they raise their respective issues with the store from where the MP7 was purchased and/or contact the Kawai distributor in their region (e.g. Kawai Europe and Kawai America) to ensure that faults/software bugs can be officially logged and reported.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 03:25 AM
I see the mod wheel is factory assigned to vibrato and not expression. I've gone into the Edit Menue>6.Control>Mod. Wheel and have it set to ON Mod. Assign is Expression and the Mod. Range is 127 but it does not transmit any changes to my DAW host instruments. The Pitch Bend wheel does function as expected in my DAW. The expression pedal also works.

Do I need to do something else besides pushing the store button?

Update.

I selected Ext. for Zone Mode using the INT/MIDI button. I found the Mod. Wheel and set Mod. Wheel to On and the Mod. Assign to CC#1. It works!

Now I have to figure out how to save this setting.

Update

I now have the Mod Wheel set to control CC#1 with the Start Up save option. smile

Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by mordecai
I was determined to order the MP7 this week but then came across this (excellent) forum and now I'm a bit worried. What if that jittery control problem is hardware-based? Also, Bryanstern mentions a latency when using the MP7 via a piano VST (Galaxy Vintage D). Has anyone else seen this (or Bryan did you manage to sort it?). One last question for an MP7 owner, how much more difficult is it playing toward the back of the keys, given the short fulcrum distance? My current master keyboard (Keystation pro88) is not very piano-like in action but strangely doesn't suffer from any increased resistance even at the very top of the key. Many thanks for any response guys.


Don't worry ; the keybed quality is miles ahead of anything M-audio makes. You will like it. As for the small glitches in some units (control jitter); they will be straitened out eventually. That's what firmware updates and/or the excellent Kawai after sales service are for. The AP on the Kawai is pretty good, you may not need the Galaxy after all ;-) Latency is usually the result of combined settings in controller / computer and computer speed. When you have a modern computer , it shouldn't be an issue.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by JFP
Don't worry...

I agree. There are often "teething problems" with new boards (as Roland are currently aware wink ). This doesn't excuse sloppy QA or programming, or specifying sub-par parts, but it is more than likely that such issues will be addressed speedily. I have full confidence in Kawai on this front.

As for the MP7 itself, think about the competition at a similar price point:
Roland RD-300NX
Roland FP-50/FP-80
Yamaha CP40
Yamaha P-255
Kurzweil SP5-8
Korg Krome 88
Korg SV-1 88

Which board has the best action? Apart from the FP-80, which is probably on par but $200 more expensive, the MP7 beats them all, IMO, and in some cases by a wide margin.

Which board has the best design and build quality? I think the Kawai is ahead of all the others on this, at the penalty of a few pounds extra in weight.

Sounds. This is very much personal preference. I don't think any of these boards is a clear winner, with some excelling at certain things (SV-1 for EPs and instant access to great effects, FP-80 for AP refinement, Krome for full-length samples, CP40 for a brilliantly modeled Rhodes). But the Kawai is a great all-rounder - more so than any of the other boards - with well above average APs, EPs, and organs (for a DP).

As I spend more time with the board, like other owners, I am becoming more and more engaged with it. It is a very powerful instrument that can be substantially molded towards an individual's preferences. I don't think the Kawai AP sample set is perfect, but it is up there with the best and plays superbly well. To get much better, you either have to go the software route, splash out on an RD-800, or live with the Fatar action in a Nord - oh, and pay over $1k more.

What strikes me is that this is more than just another corporate product designed to fill a niche, paring the specifications down to the lowest point of consumer acceptability. It seems like a genuine effort to create something outstanding at a very good price point. And, more to the point, it succeeds!
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 04:11 PM
I have a question for the early adaptors of the MP7. What do you think of the turning knobs? I'm breaking my head over it, because I think the interface would be so much easier and more convenient to control with infinite turning knobs. Anyone that can convince me these knobs with minimal and maximal positions are the best option, please do!
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Lennert
I have a question for the early adaptors of the MP7. What do you think of the turning knobs? I'm breaking my head over it, because I think the interface would be so much easier and more convenient to control with infinite turning knobs. Anyone that can convince me these knobs with minimal and maximal positions are the best option, please do!

Two reasons, both to do with the issue over unintended parameter/value shifts.
1. By setting the pots to either their minimum or maximum positions prior to switching the machine on, you minimize the potential for them to jitter and shift values.
2. By setting the system command to "catch" for the knobs, the problem (while not editing) is further reduced. It would be difficult to have a "catch" setting if the knobs were of the infinite variety.
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 05:29 PM
I'm now attempting to transmit MMC transport commands to control the transport controls in my DAW. I don't see anywhere I can assign 0-127 midi numbers to MP7 transport controls. The manual just shows MMC 01-05 for the basic controls.

If anyone has success doing this please post about it.

Update

I found out the problem is that MMC is system exclusive based and my DAWs (Metro 7)remote control doesn't respond to system exclusive but they said that if Kawai would send him a loaner he would gladly add support for it.

I've come up with a couple of alternative setups but having it easily available on the MP7 would be nice.

We'll see!
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 07:04 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by JFP
Don't worry...

I agree. There are often "teething problems" with new boards (as Roland are currently aware wink ). This doesn't excuse sloppy QA or programming, or specifying sub-par parts, but it is more than likely that such issues will be addressed speedily. I have full confidence in Kawai on this front.

As for the MP7 itself: think about the competition at a similar price point:
Roland RD-300NX
Roland FP-50/FP-80
Yamaha CP40
Yamaha P-255
Kurzweil SP5-8
Korg Krome 88
Korg SV-1 88

Which board has the best action? Apart from the FP-80, which is probably on par but $200 more expensive, the MP7 beats them all, IMO, and in some cases by a wide margin.

Which board has the best design and build quality? I think the Kawai is ahead of all the others on this, at the penalty of a few pounds extra in weight.

Sounds. This is very much personal preference. I don't think any of these boards is a clear winner, with some excelling at certain things (SV-1 for EPs and instant access to great effects, FP-80 for AP refinement, Krome for full-length samples, CP40 for a brilliantly modeled Rhodes). But the Kawai is a great all-rounder - more so than any of the other boards - with well above average APs, EPs, and organs (for a DP).

As I spend more time with the board, like other owners, I am becoming more and more engaged with it. It is a very powerful instrument that can be substantially molded towards an individual's preferences. I don't think the Kawai AP sample set is perfect, but it is up there with the best and plays superbly well. To get much better, you either have to go the software route, splash out on an RD-800, or live with the Fatar action in a Nord - oh, and pay over $1k more.

What strikes me is that this is more than just another corporate product designed to fill a niche, paring the specifications down to the lowest point of consumer acceptability. It seems like a genuine effort to create something outstanding at a very good price point. And, more to the point, it succeeds!


I agree with the thoughts about the MP7, but also was tinkering with the idea if the FA-08 should be part of your list. After all , it's not designed as a pure stage, but it has a better engine than the Rd300NX and loads of extra sounds and options. Keybed is also better. I would throw out the FP80 (otherwise - where is the ES7 , PX350 and other speaker-portables) and complete the list with PX5S, FA08 and perhaps the MOXF8. Perhaps that makes less sense in light of the price point in the US, but over here these boards do fit in.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by JFP
I agree with the thoughts about the MP7, but also was tinkering with the idea if the FA-08 should be part of your list. After all , it's not designed as a pure stage, but it has a better engine than the Rd300NX and loads of extra sounds and options. Keybed is also better. I would throw out the FP80 (otherwise - where is the ES7 , PX350 and other speaker-portables) and complete the list with PX5S, FA08 and perhaps the MOXF8. Perhaps that makes less sense in light of the price point in the US, but over here these boards do fit in.

Good points. I completely forgot about the FA08 (but then that opens up the MOXF can of worms, too!). I left out the Casios due to their much lower price point in the US, and forgot about the differences elsewhere in the world (oh no, I'm becoming Americanized! wink ).

But in the end, it was less about making a comprehensive list, and more about what the MP7 provides versus the majority of alternatives.
Posted By: JFP Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/06/14 07:28 PM
I understand. You're conclusion still stands and I can't agree with it more. MP7 is certainly a very attractive beast as a stage piano with extra's.
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/07/14 01:14 AM
Speaking of comparable boards, I've been checking out a MOXF8. Love the sounds, not the keybed. How are the woodwinds on the MP7? Oboe? I love a good oboe sound.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/07/14 02:11 AM
Originally Posted by rtistikdude
How are the woodwinds on the MP7? Oboe? I love a good oboe sound.


The MP7 has a single Oboe sound, which I tried a few moments ago.
While obviously not on the same level as some the dedicated orchestra VST, the sound is acceptable and certainly recognisable as an Oboe.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/07/14 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by Lennert
I have a question for the early adaptors of the MP7. What do you think of the turning knobs? I'm breaking my head over it, because I think the interface would be so much easier and more convenient to control with infinite turning knobs. Anyone that can convince me these knobs with minimal and maximal positions are the best option, please do!

Two reasons, both to do with the issue over unintended parameter/value shifts.
1. By setting the pots to either their minimum or maximum positions prior to switching the machine on, you minimize the potential for them to jitter and shift values.
2. By setting the system command to "catch" for the knobs, the problem (while not editing) is further reduced. It would be difficult to have a "catch" setting if the knobs were of the infinite variety.


Hi voxpops, thanks for your thoughts. I'm still not really sure though. I will try to explain this after answering to your two reasons.

1. I think this is a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
2. A "catch" setting would not be needed when those knobs are infinite turning: they're on the right spot anyway.

The 'problem' I have now, is that changing values is a bit tricky. If the system command is set to "normal" and a knob is halfway (because of an earlier change you made for a different parameter), and now you have a parameter with a low value that you would like to up a little so you turn the knob to the right, the value goes up real fast. There's no subtlety until you turn the knob to the minimum and start from there.
In "catch" mode, the behaviour is even more confusing, because sometimes it's not clear if you're seeing a lower or higher value than the position of the knob would suggest. It's a hit or miss which direction to turn.

An infinite turning knob would allow you to quickly increase or decrease a value by respectively turning right or left. It's not really useful to feel whether a knob is at its minimum or maximum when you have the values on a screen, right?

Please share your thoughts, or anyone else.

And to Kawai James: enjoy your holiday!
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/07/14 02:08 PM
For me the same. I would prefer infinite turning knobs, because there is a really nice LCD screen where one could see the values visualized. Jumping parameter values while changing menu pages is a no-go.
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/07/14 02:51 PM
Originally Posted by rtistikdude
Speaking of comparable boards, I've been checking out a MOXF8. Love the sounds, not the keybed. How are the woodwinds on the MP7? Oboe? I love a good oboe sound.


https://soundcloud.com/zagny/mp7-oboe/s-xWcjL
I was sight-reading this, so don't expect much dynamics and stuff. I must say I'm pretty impressed by the sound, though I never use woodwinds on my keyboards. And keep in mind this is the standard unedited sound and there's much to tweak.
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/07/14 05:14 PM
Lennert, thx, generous of you to share. I like it. I've been listening to the MP7 audio samples almost daily. They are growing on me. The MOXF8 sounds are so "realized" is the word I choose, and considering it's a repackaging of a 13-year generation sound package, seems like a natural conclusion. I've tried the MOXF8 at GC and my fears were actualized doing so, in that there are too many sound choices. The creative spark is overwhelmed by the curiosity to perhaps find something "better" among the endless choices. Hours can be wasted.

The MP7 sounds are feeling very pure to me and their generous but limited number helps guard against being overly distracted. And from what I'm reading here, the manipulative potentials of each sound on this keyboard generation, while needing some possible fixes, make the sounds open to be more user-realized from a purer starting place. The oboe sound reflects this clearly to me, and your dynamics were just varied enough at the end to hear a bit more air which was reassuring. Thanks again.

Seems like the fundamentals of the sounds' purity will respond well to DAW effects and mixing.

James' reminder about potentially better vst sounds is important too. Thank you. It's something I could invest in down the line (EastWest QL or the like) and still have this excellent keybed to play and control with, vs. the MOXF8 flash capacity for future sounds and imho weaker keybed. True, I'd have to stay attached to a computer/DAW for that, a chain I'm looking to break during the music-creation phase (vs. mixing/arranging etc.).

Thinking out loud here, basically...


Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/08/14 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by Lennert
https://soundcloud.com/zagny/mp7-oboe/s-xWcjL
I was sight-reading this, so don't expect much dynamics and stuff. I must say I'm pretty impressed by the sound, though I never use woodwinds on my keyboards. And keep in mind this is the standard unedited sound and there's much to tweak.


Wow, nice job! wink
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/08/14 10:58 PM
Hi every one !
Is it me or the MP7 output levels are pretty low ? ...I did an AB test with my motif and my fantom x8...Piano sound on the 3 keyboards , level 127 for each one , no effect ...Volume set to max on every keyboard , same jacks to the same mixer on the same stereo tracks...Same things played via midi file .The kawai is between 8-10db below the two others...that's rather significant !
For those who owns other keyboards , did you also notice the lack of volume on your MP7 ?
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/08/14 11:49 PM
I haven't A/B'd it with my other boards yet, but it seems like a fairly normal level. Just one thing: did you set both the MP7's mixer and master faders to max?

I'm still trying to get to the bottom of the issues I'm having with mine, which are slowly morphing over time, believe it or not! I'm not sure whether I should risk a replacement unit or not. How are all you other MP7 users faring? Everything functioning normally?
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/08/14 11:50 PM
Yes ,Voxpops , all faders to the max ...
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 12:34 AM
Everything on my board is functioning normally.

If I was experiencing your reported problems it would be in the box awaiting replacement.My first MP6 back in 2010 had a couple off buttons which stuck down but was replaced and the new one had no problems and was as good when I sold it last month.

Output level seems OK on my setup.The Tonewheel organs are set way loud ditto the level of the built in backings.

I'm a bit scared to try out an expression pedal though eek
Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 12:38 AM
When you say output levels are ok , did you compare with other boards ?
By the way , volume on the headphones output is pretty good , it's via the lines out (L/R) that I find it pretty low when comparing to my others boards
Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 12:54 AM
Hi Tritok,

Im going line level input into a small mixer then into powered PA speakers with the mixer gain not cranked to much.Till recently I had a Yamy CP4 in the same setup and similar settings but I have no other boards to compare with.

I looked in the manual for an output db adjustment but couldn't find one.You could allways crank-up the EQ or the EQ off-set.

Maybe James will chip-in after he's had some meusli.
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 01:53 AM
Originally Posted by Tritok
When you say output levels are ok , did you compare with other boards ?
By the way , volume on the headphones output is pretty good , it's via the lines out (L/R) that I find it pretty low when comparing to my others boards


Mine is the MP11, but exactly the same situation. I installed my new MP11 right where my MP9500 has been for years -- same cables, same mixer input, same everything. On the MP11 the level from the line outputs is considerably lower than it was from the MP9500 (using the unbalanced quarter-inch outputs in both cases). I have had to make significant adjustments on the mixer to attain the levels I had before from the MP9500. And just like your experience, the output from the headphone jack seems to be plenty hot. It's the line outs where the level is surprisingly low.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 02:45 AM
Lennert,

Originally Posted by Lennert
Here's a video of why I can't use my MP7 for a gig yet. Video is hidden on YouTube, I don't want to discourage people to buy this beautiful piano.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uexdC4r8R-4

The sound changes when switching to another instrument. This doesn't happen on my MP5. It would just let the first sound/setup sustain until the damper is released.

In the video, I use the stock setups 1-2-A (Bright Piano) and 5-2-C (String Paddy). I think the reverb/effect settings don't match, since it's piano versus strings. It would be great though, to have the parameters from the first sound still present for the notes you hit before switching sounds.


One of my colleagues has prepared a beta OS for the MP7 that we would like you to test. If you are still experiencing this behaviour and would like to try the beta software, please send me a PM.

On second thoughts, I'll send you a PM.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 02:47 AM
Originally Posted by puff
Maybe James will chip-in after he's had some meusli.


Porridge. wink

Hmmm...I don't have any experience connecting the MP7/MP11 using the Line Out jacks, as I've only ever played these instruments using headphones. Therefore I'm afraid I cannot comment if/why the output level is lower, however if I hear anything from the development team I will let you know.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 06:16 AM
Originally Posted by Savante
Originally Posted by Tritok
When you say output levels are ok , did you compare with other boards ?
By the way , volume on the headphones output is pretty good , it's via the lines out (L/R) that I find it pretty low when comparing to my others boards


Mine is the MP11, but exactly the same situation. I installed my new MP11 right where my MP9500 has been for years -- same cables, same mixer input, same everything. On the MP11 the level from the line outputs is considerably lower than it was from the MP9500 (using the unbalanced quarter-inch outputs in both cases). I have had to make significant adjustments on the mixer to attain the levels I had before from the MP9500. And just like your experience, the output from the headphone jack seems to be plenty hot. It's the line outs where the level is surprisingly low.


Feels good not being alone !
Any others have experienced this ?

Thank you James for asking the question to the development team !
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 08:59 AM
I'm not experiencing any of the issues reported by other MP7 owners on the forum - but it's probably because I'm not placing the demands on the unit that others are.

I do have what may be a stupid question though. My LCD screen isn't smooth. It looks like there's a plastic thingy stuck on it (possibly for transport). Can anyone confirm that there is a protector on the screen before I try to pick off something that isn't there?

Patrick
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 09:55 AM
I have a protective foil on the LCD.
I will leave it there for a few days more, because on the quite new demonstration unit in the showroom, there where already a lot of fine scratches to be seen.
Posted By: Rhodie73 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 12:59 PM
I've had my MP7 for a week now and initially I was back and forth between the AP's on it and my recently sold Yamaha CP5 (Sorry Dave Ferris). I really tweaked my CP5 to having a beautiful rich full sound despite some of the technical deficiencies like not having string resonance and stretching. At first I wasn't really impressed with the MP7's AP's and found them way too bright. However after some tweaks with the 4 band EQ and setting the touch curve of the AP's to heavy, I've warmed up enough to the MP7 as to sell my CP5! I do miss the CP's organic EP's but the MP7 is right up there too. I use my own tweaks for the classic ep1 (more of MK1 suitcase) and the classic ep2 ( more of a Dyno-my-piano later 70's Rhodes) and set the touch curve to light and boy are they authentic! Then put the "classic" chorus on that classic ep2 and you have early 80's Al Jarreau all the way. I did like the semi wodden action of the CP5 but I think the RH2 in the MP7 is more authentic in terms of piano playing.

The new organ simulation is certainly improved from the MP6 (which I owned 2 years ago) and with some tweaks is just fine for stage work when you can't bring a dedicated clone wheel. I must say for $1799 the MP7 is a better value than both the CP4 and RD800. You get great sounds, feel and plenty of tweaking to make the instrument your own. Plus it looks fantastic and is built like a tank. I think Kawai has a winner here!
Posted By: Bourgeois Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 01:29 PM
Hi Friends,

Being a guitar player, thanks to the posts and your valuable contributions to the forum, I have finally decided to have an MP7 as my first piano. I have ordered it and will be delivered tomorrow.

Thank you very much putting up together such valuable resource for musician community.

Also, having "Kawai James" replying kindly to all questions and the way he handles the community made the biggest impact on my choice owning a Kawai against other vendors.

Best Regards from Istanbul, Turkey!
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 02:45 PM
Does anyone owning the MP7 have an electronic humming sound emitted from the case itself?

On mine the power adapter/transformer inside the keyboard seems to emit a constant humming sound,
which is loud enough to go through covering earphones, when not playing. You clearly notice,
if the device is switched on in the living room.
(That is not a noise from the monitor speaker, nor a ground-loop.)

My RD-500 (16 years of age) does not generate this kind of noise.


Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 04:53 PM
Yes, mine hums a little, but not obtrusively (although my hearing is not great anymore). I don't regard it as a fault, though, as it's designed for stage use where there are all sorts of hums and hisses, and it avoids the dreaded wall-wart syndrome.

I actually think that, overall, the MP7 is a great keyboard. The sounds are not over-hyped in their raw form, and yet there's a lot of control available. If I hadn't been distracted by some strange electronic issues that my board suffers, I'd probably be further along in my evaluation of it - which I think would be overwhelmingly complimentary. Sometimes I wish that manufacturers would take just a little longer to bench-test their new products, and make sure that manufacturing QA is up to scratch before releasing them to the public (that way you also avoid the letdown that comes from early-adopter reports of problems).
Posted By: Coondog Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 04:57 PM
Hello again, Im a little bit off topic but I thought I would do quick follow up on my CP4 on this thread as it relates to the Kawai MP7. I really enjoyed the CP4 for awhile, but I just sold it a few days ago. The original solid feel started to feel a bit loose and kind of cheapish which really made me miss my CP33- which I still think one of the best dps ever made. Unfortunately, I don't think this is a well made stage piano as I thought. I know I bought it secondhand but still did not expect it to feel like a P105 pr PX150 after a few months. Maybe it was just a dud. Also, I started to use Pianoteq and there is no going back to the CP4 piano sounds. The CP4 sounds like bad recording of a piano compared to Pianoteq. I know it's really not a fair comparison. Regardless -gone and got my money back. The guy who bought it loved it as I did. <OT> have you seen all the bad CP4 reviews? I got to say, I kind of agree with a few of those reviews. <ouch>

SO I went out and played the RD800 <before they pulled it> and was thoroughly impressed with how wonderful the new acoustic pianos sounded. It's concert grand is spectacular. Action now perfected over PHA3 - great feel w no thump. I liked the looks a little more in person but who cares?! It is nicely put together and seems solid. As nice as the RD800 sounded and HUGE improvement over the RD700NX in sound, action, features it was still out of my reach for price and way too many features i would never use.

I think you can guess how this update ends when I tell you that I played a friends new Kawai MP7 last weekend. I thought the Cp4 sounded good, but the Kawai MP7 is a far and away better sounding acoustic piano than the CP4. The action on the MP7 even feels more authentic than the "semi-wood" CP4 keys - I guess it was a gimmick after all. Might not be quite as good as the RD800 but for $700+ less my ears are plenty happy. I can understand why professionals would buy an RD800 for sound features, etc. - top notch in every way for a stage piano. Being a CP4 owner, I can NOT see why anyone would EVER buy a CP4 over the MP7. CP4 needs to drop its retail price immediately to what it is truly worth @ approximately $1,700. In my opinion the MP7 acoustic piano sound, action, elegant looks, features,and price beat the CP4 in every way possible and damn close to compete with RD800. With all that rambling, yes, I just ordered one for $1,575!! I cant wait and will follow up soon.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 05:12 PM
Coondog, so to clarify, are you getting the ES7 or the MP7? They're both excellent DPs, but are geared towards different uses.

Either way, thanks for posting your thoughts about the latest stage pianos.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Coondog Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Coondog, so to clarify, are you getting the ES7 or the MP7? They're both excellent DPs, but are geared towards different uses.

Either way, thanks for posting your thoughts about the latest stage pianos.

Cheers,
James
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Thank You Kawai James. Just fixed it. Yes MP7!! Great stuff!
Posted By: Rhodie73 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 08:17 PM
Originally Posted by Coondog
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Coondog, so to clarify, are you getting the ES7 or the MP7? They're both excellent DPs, but are geared towards different uses.

Either way, thanks for posting your thoughts about the latest stage pianos.

Cheers,
James
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Thank You Kawai James. Just fixed it. Yes MP7!! Great stuff!


Your review earlier about the CP4 compared to the MP7 was on the money. I totally feel like Yamaha needs to go back to the drawing board to justify the $2200-2300 price tag. I too felt the action "lossening" to a P-105 kind of feel after my 3 weeks with it. I do feel that the RD800 is a serious stage piano with minimal compromises and I've been up in the air about adding it to my collection. However, I don't like the figure 8 power inlet, the no support for a detachable music rest and the extra 3 to 4 inches that doesn't need to be there. I think the sound and feel are top notch, but the MP7 coming in at $700 less minus the cons that I just mentioned about the RD800, makes the MP7 a no brainer. Plus they added 88 key tuning and volume customization. Personally I also think that the MP7 looks more classic and like an instrument that will last past the next cycle of "new and improved" models. I'm now just waiting for the Kawai F-30 triple pedal unit to be available in the US.
Hey James do you know when the F-30 will be available here in the US?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by Coondog
Thank You Kawai James. Just fixed it. Yes MP7!! Great stuff!


Ah, great - thanks for clarifying!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 11:24 PM
Originally Posted by Rhodie73
You get great sounds, feel and plenty of tweaking to make the instrument your own. Plus it looks fantastic and is built like a tank. I think Kawai has a winner here!


Wow, sounds like a ringing endorsement - great to hear you appreciate the improvements with the new boards.

Originally Posted by Rhodie73
Hey James do you know when the F-30 will be available here in the US?


I'm afraid not, sorry. It's probably best to ask your Kawai dealer or contact Kawai America directly.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by PatrickBl
Can anyone confirm that there is a protector on the screen before I try to pick off something that isn't there?


Yes, there should be a film of plastic protecting the screen.

This point is mentioned in other Kawai DP owner's manual, but was overlooked in the MP11/MP7 documentation - I will have to add it the next version.

Thank you for bringing this point to my attention.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/09/14 11:44 PM
Originally Posted by Bourgeois
Also, having "Kawai James" replying kindly to all questions and the way he handles the community made the biggest impact on my choice owning a Kawai against other vendors.


Thank you very much for your kind words Bourgeois. I look forward to reading your thoughts about the MP7 when it arrives.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: jeffreyfranz Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/10/14 01:55 AM
Originally Posted by Bourgeois
Hi Friends,

Being a guitar player, thanks to the posts and your valuable contributions to the forum, I have finally decided to have an MP7 as my first piano. I have ordered it and will be delivered tomorrow.

Thank you very much putting up together such valuable resource for musician community.

Also, having "Kawai James" replying kindly to all questions and the way he handles the community made the biggest impact on my choice owning a Kawai against other vendors.

Best Regards from Istanbul, Turkey!

Those are some gorgeous guitars you have. Welcome to the piano world. smile
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/10/14 03:38 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by PatrickBl
Can anyone confirm that there is a protector on the screen before I try to pick off something that isn't there?


Yes, there should be a film of plastic protecting the screen.
...


Thanks James. Didn't want to attack the screen with my fingernail if there was nothing there.

Patrick
Posted By: Coondog Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/10/14 09:31 PM
Originally Posted by Rhodie73
Originally Posted by Coondog
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Coondog, so to clarify, are you getting the ES7 or the MP7? They're both excellent DPs, but are geared towards different uses.

Either way, thanks for posting your thoughts about the latest stage pianos.

Cheers,
James
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Thank You Kawai James. Just fixed it. Yes MP7!! Great stuff!


Your review earlier about the CP4 compared to the MP7 was on the money. I totally feel like Yamaha needs to go back to the drawing board to justify the $2200-2300 price tag. I too felt the action "lossening" to a P-105 kind of feel after my 3 weeks with it. I do feel that the RD800 is a serious stage piano with minimal compromises and I've been up in the air about adding it to my collection. However, I don't like the figure 8 power inlet, the no support for a detachable music rest and the extra 3 to 4 inches that doesn't need to be there. I think the sound and feel are top notch, but the MP7 coming in at $700 less minus the cons that I just mentioned about the RD800, makes the MP7 a no brainer. Plus they added 88 key tuning and volume customization. Personally I also think that the MP7 looks more classic and like an instrument that will last past the next cycle of "new and improved" models. I'm now just waiting for the Kawai F-30 triple pedal unit to be available in the US.
Hey James do you know when the F-30 will be available here in the US?


Ok, Im glad Im not the only one with a bad CP4 experience. I really thought it was great. But then the loose keys really bummed me out. The worst was when I played a P105 at Guitar Center and it sounded the same if not better than my CP4. That was it for me.

Anyway, I was immediately impressed with the MP7. I fell for its gorgeous looks the second I laid my eyes on it, but I know better not to judge a book by its cover. I was very fortunate to play it at my friends house without distraction of a busy store or salesperson. It was just such a pleasure to play coming from the CP4. So much easier to quickly navigate and so well thought out. I believe the MP7 was designed with musicians' input. The CP4 seems like it was designed by mechanical engineer students with complicated and abbreviated settings. I don't think one musician touched the CP4 until it was in production. The CP4 seems like it could be a great piano, but it just completely misses the mark. They should've just figured out how to make the CP5 lighter weight and simplify the navigation. That would have been perfect. They also should have asked Kawai how to make wooden keys the right way instead of just inserting wood into GH plastic casing. Everything about the CP4 is such a shame for Yamaha. Anyway, MP7 was a pleasure and can't wait to own it in a few days.
Posted By: jeffreyfranz Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/11/14 05:17 AM
James: Do you know approximately how long from the date of manufacture it takes a MP7 to reach the US? Thanks, Jeffrey
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/11/14 05:23 AM
Originally Posted by jeffreyfranz
James: Do you know approximately how long from the date of manufacture it takes a MP7 to reach the US? Thanks, Jeffrey


Not precisely, I'm afraid. However, I would estimate that an MP7 manufactured in May could be shipped to the US by June, and available in a store to purchase by July.

Please note that I'm not involved in the sales and distribution side of things, so my estimate may not be terribly accurate.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/12/14 04:39 PM
Any input on the following would be helpful please. My DP investment goal is to have something to compose, with and also to use to teach my kids piano. For myself, the advances in the MP7 are exciting and commendable in terms of sound and keybed. But portability is not an issue for me as I don't gig, and sharing the instrument as a family piece is important.

So, I'm now debating between the MP7 and the CE-220. MP7 has 'triple sensors'. How does this translate with the CE-220? Do the actual hammers on the 220 allow more graduated sensing? I can't find any like comparison info. Also, I haven't tested the AWA-2 action of the 220. Any opinions on it vs. the MP7 keybed?

The 220 has a usb to device. Could I then input a vst from my laptop into the device to layer with an onboard sound if desired, and record that out as audio and/or midi? I know this is doable with the 7 via this forum, but can't find info on that specifically for the 220.

The 220 seems to have the basics I could get by with as a good composing tool, midi controller, albeit no great bells and whistles but covering the basics, and double as a family player. Though the pedals seem entry level quality given the price point.

The sounds of the MP7 are indeed impressive, but ultimately I could achieve most if not all through software, and as I'm not at all dependent on this being a stage piano or transportable, might the 220 suffice?

But with the great advances in sound generation, virtual technician, etc. in the MP7 vs the 2012 220, what might I truly end up missing as a composer/midi controller using a 220 vs. an MP7.

Again, any thoughts much appreciated.
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/12/14 07:27 PM
Hi again.
Just found good info on the CE-220 on THIS FORUM! Duh, I'm in such a habit of google for everything. Took some time to dawn on me to just search here directly.

So most questions answered. It's MP7 time all the way. I would say though, it could be a smart move for Kawai to add a simple user mode to something like the MP7, where Dad or Mom can access all the bells and whistles, or lock in a setting for the kids so the keyboard operates solely as a piano, to help enforce learning vs. fooling around. Worth considering?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/12/14 11:46 PM
Originally Posted by rtistikdude
I would say though, it could be a smart move for Kawai to add a simple user mode to something like the MP7, where Dad or Mom can access all the bells and whistles, or lock in a setting for the kids so the keyboard operates solely as a piano, to help enforce learning vs. fooling around. Worth considering?


Interesting suggestion.

It's perhaps worth noting that the MP7 starts-up with just the Concert Grand sound selected (this default behaviour can obviously be changed), allowing the instrument to be used as solely as a piano. If you then use the 'Panel Lock' feature, the instrument's buttons will also be disabled, preventing children from being distracted by other features.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/12/14 11:54 PM
The MP7 is a professional stage piano - it's not suitable for young children to use unless you are there to supervise them fairly closely, which is probably a good idea anyway. I think for children, having an all in one piano with minimal buttons is a better idea. With the MP7 you have the additional complication of an external sound system. That's why these sorts of instruments don't come with child lock-out features - they aren't intended for children. It's a good idea for console type pianos though.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/13/14 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by ando
The MP7 is a professional stage piano - it's not suitable for young children to use unless you are there to supervise them fairly closely, which is probably a good idea anyway. I think for children, having an all in one piano with minimal buttons is a better idea. With the MP7 you have the additional complication of an external sound system. That's why these sorts of instruments don't come with child lock-out features - they aren't intended for children. It's a good idea for console type pianos though.


I agree, the MP7 is not really the intended for kids, but that is a great idea for a console type DP. For really young ones (less than 4 or 5 years), buying a toy keyboard is best because they are built a bit more rugged with big buttons and keys that are small and easy to press for little fingers.
Posted By: jeffreyfranz Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/13/14 05:55 AM
Don't remember if I already thanked you, James. You are, as always, friendly and helpful. thumb
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/13/14 08:56 AM
My daugther(5y) coped quite well with the MP7, being told only to touch the master volume slider and the instrument/sound buttons.
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two minor requests for enhancement

- the little LED lights under the mixer slider are quite bright in dark conditions, as opposed to the lights in the buttons directly underneath, which are so dimm, that I have to double check if they are on or not.

- infinite turning knobs next to the LCD. It is a bit cumbersome catching different values when walking through the menus.
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/14/14 08:58 PM
Anyone been using the mp7 in a pop/rock band yet? How do you think it sounds in the band?

When I used it live on a very soft gig I think it worked good. Today we played more loud music and I'm not sure how it sounded. Need to play a little bit more to find out what AP sound is the best in that situation.
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/15/14 06:13 PM
I don't know if this has been noted yet on this forum, but I have discovered that the "jumpy parameter" problem affects the MP11 as well as the MP7. I hadn't noticed it previously, but yesterday when attempting to edit the reverb parameters while playing a setup with an EP sound, the screen went crazy, self-selecting the pre-delay parameter no matter which parameter I selected, and constantly changing the value of the parameter, mostly alternating between two values. The problem seemed to be mainly triggered by the use of the damper (right) pedal of the three-pedal unit. The pedal function is assigned to damper, but depressing the pedal caused the parameter selection highlight to jump to the pre-delay parameter, and for the value to constantly change. Not using the pedal seemed to calm the screen down.

Unfortunately, this did not seem to be the only problem. When I visited another screen on the same setup, some parameter values had been changed. I did not observe any pattern to this, it seemed rather random.

The problem seems to be intermittent and may or may not be repeatable. I left the setup where I was experiencing the problem and then returned to it, and the problem was still there. Then I did the same thing again, and when returning to the setup this time the problem was no longer in evidence. This is all that I've observed so far.

I know that this problem has been reported with regard to the MP7. I think it is important for Kawai and for MP11 owners, or prospective owners, to know that the problem affects the MP11 also.

I know that Kawai is aware of the issue, at least with regard to the MP7. I hope they are addressing it and will release a fix soon. I do hope it is a problem that can be corrected in software. If it's a hardware problem, that will be much more serious and a much bigger hassle for everyone involved -- the company, the retailers, and the purchasers.

Perhaps people should consider holding off on buying a Kawai MP7 or MP11 until Kawai addresses the issue and lets us know whether it is hardware or software related, and when we can expect a fix. It is a serious problem and makes these otherwise-excellent instruments unreliable.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/15/14 07:23 PM
Savante, that is almost identical to the problems I experienced. Kawai and Sweetwater determined that it must be a faulty board, and so I am expecting my replacement later on today, whereupon I'll pack the original up and send it back. You can be sure I'll test the new board thoroughly, first.

My issues also seemed to go away after a while, but I was left with the feeling that they could return at any time. And with it manifesting as not just shifting on-screen parameters but also random sound changes, it was a real worry concerning pro use. If you're getting paid, your tools have to be rock solid.

So I'm really not sure if the issue is faulty hardware or software - or a combination of them both.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/15/14 11:40 PM
Originally Posted by Savante
I don't know if this has been noted yet on this forum, but I have discovered that the "jumpy parameter" problem affects the MP11 as well as the MP7.


Savante, thank you for bringing this to our attention.

This is the second report of such behaviour, and we will continue to work with voxpops and now yourself to ensure the issue is fully resolved. If you have not done so already, may I please ask you to contact Kawai America to ensure that the matter can be investigated through the official channels.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/16/14 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Savante
I don't know if this has been noted yet on this forum, but I have discovered that the "jumpy parameter" problem affects the MP11 as well as the MP7.


Savante, thank you for bringing this to our attention.

This is the second report of such behaviour, and we will continue to work with voxpops and now yourself to ensure the issue is fully resolved. If you have not done so already, may I please ask you to contact Kawai America to ensure that the matter can be investigated through the official channels.


I am in contact with Alan Palmer at Kawai America about the problem, but I think it should be discussed here as well so that users, and potential users, are aware of the issue, even if they have not as yet experienced it.

Besides voxpops and myself, Tritok, maxpiano, Lennert, and Alan Palmer have also reported experiencing the issue themselves. And Morodiene's recent post on the MP11 thread sounds like a version of the same problem. (See my comment there also.)

The notion that the TC Electronics expression pedal was causing the problem for some users is probably a false conclusion. I experienced the problem associated with pedal input also, but it was with the Kawai F-30 pedal. So one factor affecting the issue may the the instrument responding inappropriate to (perfectly fine) pedal input. Thus we see similar problems with different pedals, including the Kawai pedal.

Today I am not able to reproduce the problem, but that doesn't mean that it didn't happen nor that it is fixed. It indicates the likelihood of an intermittent problem, or one that requires a special set of (as yet undetermined) circumstances to occur. Voxpops also says the problem seems to have "gone away" but that he's concerned that it may re-occur unexpectedly at any time. This is a very wise concern, since the problem has already clearly manifested itself.

I played my MP11 a LOT for two weeks before noticing the problem. Many MP7 users haven't even had their instruments that long. With a problem that is intermittent, occurs only rarely, and can be hard to notice, especially with a new instrument that you're not familiar with, the number of reports so far suggests that this is likely a very pervasive issue that may well affect all MP7 and MP11 instruments. But most users haven't experienced it yet, or haven't noticed it, or assume it's user error, or haven't reported it, or don't participate in this forum. Nonetheless the problem is very real and I hope Kawai will find the cause and fix it. Replacing instruments may not get to the cause of the problem. After some weeks, or longer, the new instrument may exhibit the same problem. Thus the need to find the cause and fix it.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/16/14 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by Savante
Besides voxpops and myself, Tritok, maxpiano, Lennert, and Alan Palmer have also reported experiencing the issue themselves. And Morodiene's recent post on the MP11 thread sounds like a version of the same problem. (See my comment there also.)


I believe Tritok, maxpiano, and Lennert reports were associated with the type of expression pedal used. I cannot speak for Alan Palmer at Kawai America. I've just read Morodiene's post, so will bring this to my colleagues' attention also.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/16/14 01:32 AM
The good news is that Kawai is very responsive on this issue. Even though I've now received my new unit and returned the old one, Alan has said that he'll keep me up to date with developments. My new unit seems fine so far, but I haven't had time to sit with it yet. Interestingly, the "D" knob on the new board seems quite a bit stiffer than the others, but that doesn't bother me as long as it doesn't jitter! We'll see...
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/16/14 02:50 AM
My DAW developer posted on his forum that Kawai will be happy to send him a loaner so that he can ad support for it MMC transport control, possibly in late June when they have the inventory.

That's Jeremy Sagan of Sagan Technology. Maker of Metro 7.
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/16/14 08:46 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James

I believe Tritok, maxpiano, and Lennert reports were associated with the type of expression pedal used. I cannot speak for Alan Palmer at Kawai America. I've just read Morodiene's post, so will bring this to my colleagues' attention also.


Yesterday I bought a Yamaha FC-7 expression pedal (on the advice of James) to replace my Boss FV-500L. I should've done that years ago already. This solves the jumping parameters I had, and also has a far better scaling than the Boss. Thanks James for the advice!
(I'll report back on mail soon)
Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/16/14 12:19 PM
I use a Proel expressionpedal and it works good with MP7.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/16/14 09:53 PM
Spoke to Alan at Kawai US, he said they are working on a software fix for the issue of parameters changing while playing. In fact, he says they're pretty sure they'll have something in the next couple of days, they just want to test the fix before releasing it to make sure it resolves the issue (and doesn't add new ones) smile .

If it is something that's bothering you, what you can do in the meantime is:

-In Utilities set the knob action to "Catch" instead of "Normal"
-If you mainly play with one sound (say piano), use the Panel Lock button and that should freeze everything

Not fixes, but good to know if you have a gig or something before the fix comes out.

Kudos to Kawai for jumping on this at the first mention of a problem!
Posted By: Savante Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/16/14 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by Morodiene
Spoke to Alan at Kawai US, he said they are working on a software fix for the issue of parameters changing while playing. In fact, he says they're pretty sure they'll have something in the next couple of days, they just want to test the fix before releasing it to make sure it resolves the issue (and doesn't add new ones) smile


Alan told me this early this morning and told me to keep it secret until it was confirmed as a reliable fix! So I didn't say anything and now you've scooped me! smile

It's great news though! thumb
Posted By: Glendene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/17/14 01:31 AM
Kawai James, I am very impressed with your and Kawai responses on this forum. Great customer service….. I was about to buy the Yamaha P255, but saw the MP7, was impressed with the sound. Found this forum, so would like to thank you all for your contributions to help me make my decision. Have now joined the crowd and waiting for the new MP7. Cheers………
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/17/14 02:23 AM
Was able to visit Pierre's Fine Pianos in Los Angeles. Had neither the MP11 nor MP7 available, but I was able to play identical keybeds on other models.

Was afraid I would love the MP11 too much, but happily, I preferred the MP7 keybed. A bit less expressive piano-wise, a bit. But for the organs, which are very exciting about the MP7, it's perfect and easily "good enough" for piano expressiveness as well. Much better than the NS2 also, which is a lot of fun to play on - toy-like, but excellent toy-like. MP7 is better imho.

Posted By: PT1 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/17/14 08:50 PM
Hi Everyone, 1st Post, Thanks for sharing so much useful info about the MP7. Seems a killer machine!
I'm shopping for a new stage piano and this one seems to tick all boxes. (CP4 'was' on my list:)
I wonder of anyone can help please, I'm struggling to find any info, demos, comments about the mono pianos.
I mostly use only one powered P.A speaker on stage for jazz gigs, i realise stereo is so much better but..
Anyone happy using the mono sounds?
Are the stereo sounds useable when only using one output (L/Mono)
Maybe someone has had success tweaking the stereo sounds down to mono.. possibly narrowing the stereo width in Virtual Technician??
Any comments would be hugely appreciated.
Thanks,
P.T
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/18/14 05:35 AM
Hi P.T,
You can set the main output to stereo or 2xmono, so it's possible to use all stereo sounds on your mono system. There's also an EQ on board which is very easy to use (even while playing I would say). I think the MP7 would serve you well wink
Lennert
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/18/14 07:50 AM
Hi P.T,

Personally I was not impressed by the Mono Pianos on the MP7.
Being in the same situation as you, using only one mono monitor speaker, I also played around with the "Stereo Witdth" parameter and discovered odd effects, when reducing it to Zero. Kawai James said this would introduce "Phasing effects" to the sound.
See point c) and the recording of the Mono Piano (4B) I made with my returned MP7 in thread
Kawai MP7 vs old Roland RD500.

In the end you would have to try for yourself, best in your own environment with your own speaker.
HTH
Posted By: raphus Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/18/14 09:22 PM
Hi. I'm new to the forum, and I'm considering buying an MP7 when they're available. I know it's not out yet (as of May 2014), but it sounds like some people here know a lot about Kawais and may be able to anser my questions.

First, judging from the manual, it looks like the faders cannot send MIDI CCs. Does anyone know if that's true? Could previous MP pianos do this?

Second, how close does the Kawai "Electric Grand" sound to a CP80? I've heard the sound demos on Kawai's site, but it's just not the same as actually playing one. Does anyone here have experience with this?

Thanks very much for your time,
Robert
Posted By: JeromeFr Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/19/14 06:45 AM
Good Morning,

After reading this good forum, I will buy a MP7, a very good Keyboard. Could Kawai James say if I can use it only with fostex_th_7bb_headphone (because I have real piano but my neighbored don't like itat the evening what I understand)? The Impedance is 70 ohms, is it too much? (Maxi Power 23mW) I read the line out's level is lower than precedent Keyboard.

Thanks for your answers, Jérôme

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/19/14 08:16 AM
Originally Posted by Glendene
Kawai James, I am very impressed with your and Kawai responses on this forum. Great customer service….. I was about to buy the Yamaha P255, but saw the MP7, was impressed with the sound. Found this forum, so would like to thank you all for your contributions to help me make my decision. Have now joined the crowd and waiting for the new MP7. Cheers………


Thank you for your kind words Glendene, and congrats on the purchase of your MP7!

Please post your thoughts after spending some time playing the instrument.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/19/14 08:33 AM
Originally Posted by raphus
First, judging from the manual, it looks like the faders cannot send MIDI CCs. Does anyone know if that's true? Could previous MP pianos do this?


When a zone is set to EXT or BOTH mode, the fader will send CC#07 (Volume).

Originally Posted by raphus
Second, how close does the Kawai "Electric Grand" sound to a CP80? I've heard the sound demos on Kawai's site, but it's just not the same as actually playing one. Does anyone here have experience with this?


The Kawai EP308 and Yamaha CP80 are different instruments, however I believe the share essentially the same sound creation principals. While there may be some differences in tone when compared to a CP80, I believe the new Electric Grand sound in the MP11/MP7 is very authentic, and among the best available in a hardware stage piano.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/19/14 08:54 AM
Originally Posted by JeromeFr
Good Morning,

After reading this good forum, I will buy a MP7, a very good Keyboard. Could Kawai James say if I can use it only with fostex_th_7bb_headphone (because I have real piano but my neighbored don't like itat the evening what I understand)? The Impedance is 70 ohms, is it too much? (Maxi Power 23mW) I read the line out's level is lower than precedent Keyboard.

Thanks for your answers,



Hello Jérôme,

Those headphones should work fine with the MP7.

I hope you enjoy your new instrument!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: JeromeFr Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/19/14 10:14 AM
Hello James,

Thank you for your reply and I will send you my first impressions upon receipt of MP7 (preordered)

Bonne journée à tous.
Posted By: Midikeys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/20/14 08:22 AM
Hello,

Are the strings changed towards the mp6? If you combined the piano with strings on the mp6 they went into a 'fade out'. Unfortunately for the MP7 is not the case, the strings just continue to sound when you hold the keys down or hold the sound in the damper pedal!
Can this be remedied by change settings or an update?
Thanks!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/20/14 08:33 AM
Originally Posted by Midikeys
Are the strings changed towards the mp6? If you combined the piano with strings on the mp6 they went into a 'fade out'. Unfortunately for the MP7 is not the case, the strings just continue to sound when you hold the keys down or hold the sound in the damper pedal!
Can this be remedied by change settings or an update?


Midikeys, the damper pedal behaviour can be changed using the 'Damper Pedal Mode' parameter on the Controllers page of the EDIT menu.

From page 48 of the MP7 owner's manual:

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So, if you're using a strings sound on the SUB1 zone, you would set the 'Damper Pedal Mode' for this zone accordingly.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/21/14 04:09 PM
Still unable to demo an actual MP11 or MP7. Been listening to what's around for each. I feel the 11 sounds richer and fuller. I'm not wholly convinced that the two models share the same sounds. Maybe the same sample set, but if there are such a lesser number of sounds in the 11 vs. the 7, wouldn't that memory go into more detail and enrichment of those fewer sample sets?

I ask since on the Nord, you can load XL versions of their instrument sounds, which to me ( a DP newbie, obviously) says that size matters.

Maybe I'm fooling myself, but I am hearing a difference in sound quality.
Posted By: Dr. W Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/21/14 04:55 PM
Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum. I read extensively on this thread and others and recently purchased an MP7.

I'm an amateur at keyboarding and would classify myself as intermediate in skill level. I purchased the keyboard so I could play with the worship band at my church and develop my skill further. It seems most that post on this forum are professional or certainly more highly skilled, but it occurred to me that there are probably others in my situation reading this thread and I thought I'd share my thoughts on this keyboard from the perspective of an intermediate skill level.

First, when I went to local music stores to try out keyboards, I was amazed how often I would be steered towards very inexpensive keyboards, as if only a professional would want a high quality instrument. However with some travelling around I was able to try a yamaha electric piano (forget the model), a Roland 700nx (nowhere I went had the RD-800), and some Kawai electric pianos and the MP5 (my local dealer didn't have an MP7, which I eventually ordered online).

I think the action was one of the main selling points. I note that almost all of these pro keyboards are attempting to emulate the action of a grand piano. That's fine, but not critical for me as I don't play a grand, I have an upright acoustic piano. So I just went with the action that felt most comfortable to me, which for me was the Kawai. Granted I didn't actually play an MP7 before I bought it, but all the other Kawais I could play felt about the same. For me the yamaha felt mushy and the roland felt too firm, but again, I don't play grand pianos, I'm sure they are all excellent actions.

The tone quality personally I thought was excellent on all three brands I tried, so this really wasn't a deciding factor for me. I love playing with the "studio grand" on my MP7.

In the end I was deciding between the Roland RD-800 and the Kawai MP7. The Kawai had a big advantage in price and the Roland wasn't in stock anywhere I looked. I will say that I liked the display on the Roland 700nx I saw, which was higher resolution and color. Of course that's not critical to the operation of the keyboard, but that combined with the scroll wheel made the Roland feel very intuitive to change settings. With the low cost of display components, I would like to see the MP7 have a higher resolution display. It can be distracting when letters look distorted because of the lack of resolution.

There are a couple of other features that I find very helpful as an amateur. First, having realistic drum sounds and rhythms rather than just a metronome helps me practice playing a song as I will when playing with the band. Also, having an audio input is great as I can hook up my phone and play along with recordings of songs to practice. Also, being able to record as an mp3 to a usb stick is helpful. In short, I'm thrilled with this instrument and I'm sure it will serve me well for many years.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/21/14 11:52 PM
Dr. W, thank you for posting your experiences of shopping for a stage piano, and congrats on purchasing the MP7.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/22/14 01:31 AM
Originally Posted by Dr. W
...Granted I didn't actually play an MP7 before I bought it, but all the other Kawais I could play felt about the same....


I didn't actually touch an MP7 either until I opened the box that mine came in. I found the information on this forum thread more than sufficient for me to take the small risk it wouldn't suit. Turns out to be one of the best "sight unseen" purchases I've ever made.

Patrick
Posted By: Kevin Keys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/22/14 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by rtistikdude
Still unable to demo an actual MP11 or MP7. Been listening to what's around for each. I feel the 11 sounds richer and fuller. I'm not wholly convinced that the two models share the same sounds. Maybe the same sample set, but if there are such a lesser number of sounds in the 11 vs. the 7, wouldn't that memory go into more detail and enrichment of those fewer sample sets?

I ask since on the Nord, you can load XL versions of their instrument sounds, which to me ( a DP newbie, obviously) says that size matters.

Maybe I'm fooling myself, but I am hearing a difference in sound quality.


This is an interesting question.
Has anyone had the opportunity to demo the Mp7 and Mp11 side by side and compare the piano sounds?
Posted By: HisKidd Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/22/14 02:46 PM
Kevin Keys…rtistikdude

What we've not had is a real person (not a Kawai promo) giving us examples of the MP7 sound.
Here you can hear it used as a synth with a combination of sounds, as well as classical piano, organ, ragtime, jazz. The first five entries are done with the MP7. Tim Praskins is the performer.
Some great sounds here. Be interested to know what you think. By the way, he has a lengthy review of the MP7 also:

Sonic Cloud MP7 Sounds:
https://soundcloud.com/tim-praskins

Review:
http://azpianonews.blogspot.com/201...ge-lowest-price-BEST-BUY-under-2000.html

Play On!
H.K.
Posted By: raphus Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/22/14 09:31 PM
Thanks very much for your reply. I'm really hoping to control a hardware synth module from the keyboard with sliders, and I'm debating between the MP7 and the Kurzweil Artis (which can do that). I know you can't predict the future, but do you think there's any possibility of the sliders being able to send other MIDI CCs as part of a future software update?
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/22/14 10:09 PM
Thanks Kevinkeys HisKidd,

I'm hoping that both the MP7 and the MP11 grow popular enough, since they are obviously both excellent, that I can find them and demo them. I play piano for my soul, you know, grew up playing upright acoustic. It's about soul therapy for me, playing.

So I have to be certain that the combo of board, action, expression, sound (speakers), all of it, is a soulful experience, or I probably wouldn't be as picky. I just don't live somewhere where an actual acoustic is practical, so finding the best, and yet still somewhat affordable (no VPiano $ here) DP possible is my goal.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/22/14 11:16 PM
Originally Posted by raphus
I know you can't predict the future, but do you think there's any possibility of the sliders being able to send other MIDI CCs as part of a future software update?


It's an interesting suggestion, however I'm afraid I cannot say if it will be possible to implement with a software update.

Generally speaking, I believe it's important to base your decision to purchase any instrument on what it can do today, not what it may be able to do in the future.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/22/14 11:16 PM
Originally Posted by rtistikdude
...that I can find them and demo them.


May I ask where you are based?

James
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Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/23/14 01:08 AM
If anyone in or around Oregon would like to try the MP7, just PM me.

I still have one niggling issue that I'm in touch with Kawai US about, but it doesn't affect the piano side of the board, and so I'd be happy to host any established member of the forum who hasn't been able to find one to test.
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/23/14 02:28 AM
Thanks Kawai James, I'm in Los Angeles. Been to Pierre's but no luck!
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/23/14 06:06 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
If anyone in or around Oregon would like to try the MP7, just PM me.

...


What a generous soul you are! (Absolutely no sarcasm intended)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/23/14 06:22 AM
Originally Posted by rtistikdude
Thanks Kawai James, I'm in Los Angeles. Been to Pierre's but no luck!


Hmm...I'm not involved with the sales side of things, however I gather that Pierre is a good guy, so expect he will bring the MP7 in.

Another alternative is ER Music:
3250 W. Olympic Blvd. #300E Los Angeles, CA 90006 Tel: (323) 730-3400

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: david_ka Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/31/14 07:45 AM
I have a question about the recorder? I used a rythm and played piano that and it was recorded.
But I used sound from my Nord to and it was not recorded.
I used midi and, the nord was set to sub3.

Why?

/David
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/31/14 09:32 AM
Hmmm... it sounds like the internal recorder needs at least an INT zone activated to record the rhythm.

I will try to confirm this on Monday.

Until then, perhaps you can try recording with the MAIN zone set to INT (but the volume fader in the minimum position) alongside the SUB3 zone controlling your Nord.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/31/14 02:29 PM
I just tried and purchased an MP7 today. Very happy with my purchase, great action and the sound is absolutely amazing. It was hard to find one, but it was well worth the wait.
Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/31/14 02:34 PM
Hi Dan, did you try the MP11 as well? I'm curious to know whether the experience was that much better.
Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 05/31/14 10:07 PM
No I didn't get to try the MP11. The sounds are meant to be the same as far as I know (except there is one extra parameter you can adjust with MP11). The action of the MP7 was plenty good for me, but maybe for some purists it's not.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/01/14 03:08 AM
Congrats Dan - glad it was worth the wait. wink

James
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Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/02/14 03:53 AM
Thanks James smile

Considering the quality and price of MP7, I could see this really stealing a large portion of the Stage Piano market that Kawai didn't previously have here in Aus.

Dan
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/02/14 04:18 AM
Yep, I'm inclined to agree with you. I believe the previous MPs were a little expensive over there, but the latest models are priced more competitively, and in line with the US/Europe pricing.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kevin Keys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/04/14 01:54 AM
I just ordered an MP7 from a place in California. I got a great deal!

I am really looking forward to playing this piano!!!!

I have been lusting after it for several months.
Posted By: Musical Dan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/04/14 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Kevin Keys
I just ordered an MP7 from a place in California. I got a great deal!

I am really looking forward to playing this piano!!!!

I have been lusting after it for several months.


Congrats Kevin! Hope you have as much fun with it as I am having with mine smile
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/04/14 02:39 AM
You won't be disappointed!
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/04/14 08:44 PM
Last week I brought my MP7 to a gig for the first time to replace my MP5. Best thing: our sound engineers were very impressed.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/04/14 11:37 PM
Good stuff. wink

James
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Posted By: Kevin Keys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/05/14 10:39 PM
Thank you Musical Dan, PatrickBl, Kawai James.

I am very excited!

I haven't purchased a keyboard new since 2000!!!

(I bought a used cp33 a couple years ago)
Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/06/14 07:37 PM
Great new MP7 Demo from Adam at Kraft:

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/07/14 04:24 AM
Good video from Adam, as always. Great find Marko!

I wish he'd delved a little deeper into the EFX/AMP settings though - this video gives the impression that there is only page of adjustable parameters.

A quick mention of the virtual tonewheel organ sim would have been nice too. wink

Apart from those minor niggles, it's a good overview of a very flexible board.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/07/14 09:35 AM
James, Maybe it's time to call Sean O'Shea and have him do a couple informative demos; MP7 and MP11. He's seems pretty good with or without a script.


It would be great if Kawai had a Mike Martin kind of guy that conducts very thorough demos and web tutorials.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/07/14 10:09 AM
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
James, Maybe it's time to call Sean O'Shea and have him do a couple informative demos; MP7 and MP11. He's seems pretty good with or without a script.


Yes, I'd like to see Kawai America produce some video demos for the MP11 and MP7 too.

Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
It would be great if Kawai had a Mike Martin kind of guy that conducts very thorough demos and web tutorials.


To be honest, I'd like to have a stab at doing this myself - something like a video walk-through of the owner's manuals. Sure, I'm not much of a player, however I'd like to think I know my way around the MPs reasonably well to explain the functions. The difficult is making it look professional, with good lighting, multiple camera angles, mics, etc. I recall the Casio PX-5S (or was it the PX-3) clinic that Mike Martin did, where he was live streaming and had folks asking questions via twitter etc. Really superb job...something approaching half that quality for the MPs would be great, especially if we could also hook-up with the product developers and engineers to offer tips and advice etc.

James
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Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/07/14 12:02 PM
Wow James, that really would be great. We would all love to see you do some walkthroughs. I also think that would promote sales as well. I understand a lot goes into it to make it look profession. Maybe Kawai can invest a little money to get you started. Well worth pursuing.
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/07/14 07:52 PM
I'd second that. Something like that would be great.

Patrick
Posted By: bryanstern Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/08/14 05:05 AM
Yes, please Kawai. The Mike Martin sessions were one of the best things about owning a PX-5S.
Would love that kind of training on the MP7.
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/08/14 06:44 PM
This is one of my favorite reviews by Adam at Kraft. He seems truly excited about the instrument.
Posted By: rtistikdude Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/10/14 04:17 AM
Played a Roland FA08 at GC today. I know we shouldn't gear-bash, but seriously? Same price point as the MP7? I haven't even played an MP7 (though I played a CN24 with same action), just watched videos and listened to samples... Everything about the MP7 is so usable and constructive and CREATIVE. The Roland, I couldn't figure out how to get a single patch sound into it. When I tried, all I did was alter the favorite setting...?!? And what's with the Maschine wannabe pads? Will a little hologram Olivia Newton John and John Travolta come out and dance on top of it if I play some Bee Gees tunes.

The knobs? I'm gonna rotate six knobs every time I change a sound?

The Roland V-piano sound it's got on it is very nice, and the action is not bad but c'mon Roland, where are you? What are you making these days...?
Posted By: Digitalguy Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/10/14 07:27 AM
Originally Posted by rtistikdude
The Roland V-piano sound it's got on it is very nice, and the action is not bad but c'mon Roland, where are you? What are you making these days...?

There is no V-piano sound, it's the Supernatural (concert grand) piano
Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/10/14 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by rtistikdude
Played a Roland FA08 at GC today. I know we shouldn't gear-bash, but seriously? Same price point as the MP7? I haven't even played an MP7 (though I played a CN24 with same action), just watched videos and listened to samples... Everything about the MP7 is so usable and constructive and CREATIVE. The Roland, I couldn't figure out how to get a single patch sound into it. When I tried, all I did was alter the favorite setting...?!? And what's with the Maschine wannabe pads? Will a little hologram Olivia Newton John and John Travolta come out and dance on top of it if I play some Bee Gees tunes.

The knobs? I'm gonna rotate six knobs every time I change a sound?

The Roland V-piano sound it's got on it is very nice, and the action is not bad but c'mon Roland, where are you? What are you making these days...?


With all do respect its almost like comparing apples to oranges. The FA08 is a workstation and the MP7 is a stage piano although loaded with many voices and editing features. I think a better comparison would be be the RD800 and MP7. However, like you say about price, the MP7 comes in under $700 compared to RD800 and same price as FA08. Amazing how Kawai hit that price point for the MP7. Well done Kawai! CP4, RD800, Artis, and NP2 should be worried shocked
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/10/14 12:25 PM
Yes, I agree with Marko. While there will inevitably be an overlap in features, the MP7 and FA08 are rather different instruments, and intended for different musical purposes.

Regarding pricing, the plastic-key MPs have always offered a good bang for the buck (that's not to say that the wooden-key MPs are overpriced), but the MP7 takes things to another level. As I believe I posted previously, a stage piano round-up in the latest German 'Keyboards' magazine ranked the MP7 above the latest Yamaha, Roland, and Kurzweil boards - and this was before price was taken into consideration.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/10/14 02:25 PM
The MP7 is a good deal, if everything turns out to be OK.
I even would recommend to increase the price a bit, in order to invest it in quality control and salaries at the Indonesian factory.
SCNR
Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/10/14 03:38 PM
I'm finally getting some time to start a new project, using monitors instead of just playing my MP7 using headphones. I noticed that the A3 key or four octaves up from bottom A was making a clicking noise, especially noticeable when doing an arpeggio. I remembered watching a video about this issue with another DP which showed how they repaired it.

I resisted the temptation to get out my tool box and instead called Sweetwater and they are going to send me a new MP7 and also supply a prepaid label for the return shipping. So my MP7 will get a minor repair and find a new home. I'll always remember you.

Thank You Sweetwater!

I use the MP7 mostly for playing in notes using a DAW host but often I come up with my initial ideas playing the digital piano controller(MP7) and also layered with the string patch or other sounds for slower music. The quality of the piano and other patches is very important for supplying inspiration and the Kawai MP7 does just that.



Posted By: Dave Morrill Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/17/14 04:06 AM
I just ordered some studio monitors for my MP7. The monitors have both XLR and balanced 1/4" audio inputs. I'm not an expert on the nuances of audio cables. Does anybody know what type of cables I need to use to go from the MP7 to the monitors? I've read up a bit on what balanced input means, but I'm still fuzzy on what is the best kind of cable to use, especially as it relates to "balanced". TIA...
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/17/14 06:48 AM
The Mp7 has no XLR jacks, you need 2x 1/4" audio cables.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/17/14 07:06 AM
Originally Posted by Dave Morrill
The monitors have both XLR and balanced 1/4" audio inputs. I'm not an expert on the nuances of audio cables. Does anybody know what type of cables I need to use to go from the MP7 to the monitors?


As explained on this page, the MP7's Line Out jacks are unbalanced, so when using a TRS cable the 'Ring' part will have no effect. The cable may work, however we do not recommend using them because the floating input on the 'Ring' will likely cause a hum noise.

Therefore we recommend using standard TS (unbalanced) cables for connecting the MP7.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Dave Morrill Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/17/14 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
As explained on this page, the MP7's Line Out jacks are unbalanced, so when using a TRS cable the 'Ring' part will have no effect. The cable may work, however we do not recommend using them because the floating input on the 'Ring' will likely cause a hum noise.

Therefore we recommend using standard TS (unbalanced) cables for connecting the MP7.

Kind regards,
James
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That's exactly the information I was looking for. Thank you, James!

I searched the MP7 manual and online in several places to find out if the MP7 outputs were balanced or unbalanced, but none of the references I found said one way or the other.

Also, thanks for clarifying which type of cable to use when going from unbalanced to balanced. That's the part I really wasn't sure about. Much appreciated...
Posted By: Dave King Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/17/14 05:03 PM
The "Connecting to Other Devices" diagram on page 18 of the MP7 Owner's Manual does show the cables used with the two Output jacks and the two Input jacks to be TS (Tip-Sleeve) cables (i.e., unbalanced) and implies that TS cables should be used rather than TRS (tip-ring-sleeve) cables if connecting directly to the MP7.

However, it would help if the the Owner's Manual also explicitly stated this in the descriptions of these connections on page 17 and in the spec sheet on page 125.

Posted By: Dave Morrill Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/18/14 01:16 AM
Originally Posted by Dave King
The "Connecting to Other Devices" diagram on page 18 of the MP7 Owner's Manual does show the cables used with the two Output jacks and the two Input jacks to be TS (Tip-Sleeve) cables (i.e., unbalanced) and implies that TS cables should be used rather than TRS (tip-ring-sleeve) cables if connecting directly to the MP7.

However, it would help if the the Owner's Manual also explicitly stated this in the descriptions of these connections on page 17 and in the spec sheet on page 125.



Whoa, I went back and looked at the diagram again, and you're absolutely right! But since I was not all that familiar with the physical difference between TRS and TS plugs, I completely missed that subtle detail when I looked at it. Since I was explicitly looking for the word "balanced" or "unbalanced", I would agree with your recommendations about updating the documentation to include the word "unbalanced".
Posted By: JeromeFr Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/19/14 07:01 PM
Hello Everybody,
MP7 Kawai keyboard is a real pleasure to play with.The action Key is slightly softer than acoustic piano (but one advantage of transportable keyboard) which allows me to play longer without be tired.The triple sensor also allows high level of nuance that acoustic piano (I'm a pianist). Tested today, MP3 recording is simple and effective (except that it should be added in the user manual step to press page to select an empty song). Other sounds are also very goods and the piano factor allows most of features. I recommend it (I purchase it without testing). Thank you Kawai (so I can play and train on the piano at night without disturbing my neighbors and explore new horizons with other sounds and functions) and thanks to Kawai James and to Tim Praskins (AZPianonews).
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/19/14 11:51 PM
Thank you for the positive feedback JeromeFr.

Regarding this point:

Originally Posted by JeromeFr
MP3 recording is simple and effective (except that it should be added in the user manual step to press page to select an empty song).


I'm not sure I fully understand. I believe a new audio file should be created automatically.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: JeromeFr Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/20/14 07:23 AM
Hello KAWAI James,
Page 73 Franch Manual : 4 Loading a SMF file into memory, it lacks step press Page to select the empty memory (then rotate the C button to select an empty song's emplacement.MP7 Stage piano is quite easy to Edit music.
Thanks to you and Kawai.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/20/14 08:08 AM
JeromeFr, I do not currently have an MP7 in front of me to test, however I believe the French explanation should be the same as the English language version.

Essentially, when entering the Recorder (i.e. turning the Recorder ON) PAGE1 should be shown automatically, in which case knob C is used to specify an empty song memory for the MIDI file to be loaded into.

However, this may depend on the whether AUDIO or MIDI mode is selected initially.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/21/14 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
James, Maybe it's time to call Sean O'Shea and have him do a couple informative demos; MP7 and MP11. He's seems pretty good with or without a script.


Ah, there he is!

Posted By: petes1 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/24/14 01:52 PM
Regarding a keyboard case:

I'm about to pull the trigger on purchasing an MP7 (sight unseen!), but have a quick question: what cases has anyone purchased for transporting their keyboard? Kraft includes the Gator Cases GK-88 SLIM Keyboard Case together with this keyboard in one of their bundles, but on reading the specs of the keyboard and case, the keyboard is a bit thicker than the internal dimensions of the case, but since the case is made of foam, this is OK. I believe that Kawai makes an MP case, but I've yet to see it sold anywhere.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/25/14 12:56 AM
petes1, yes, on paper that case is approximately 2 cm (19 mm) too 'short' for the MP7. However, it may still fit. I'd perhaps drop Kraft or Gator a line to double-check the sizing tolerance of the case.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/25/14 01:27 AM
Originally Posted by petes1
Regarding a keyboard case:

I'm about to pull the trigger on purchasing an MP7 (sight unseen!), but have a quick question: what cases has anyone purchased for transporting their keyboard? Kraft includes the Gator Cases GK-88 SLIM Keyboard Case together with this keyboard in one of their bundles, but on reading the specs of the keyboard and case, the keyboard is a bit thicker than the internal dimensions of the case, but since the case is made of foam, this is OK. I believe that Kawai makes an MP case, but I've yet to see it sold anywhere.



Maybe Kraft will cut you a bundle deal with this. Never have to worry about your MP7 in any situation with this case. Perfect fit, but very expensive.
http://www.kraftmusic.com/gator-cases-gkpe-88-tsa-keyboard-case.html




Posted By: petes1 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/25/14 02:31 AM
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Maybe Kraft will cut you a bundle deal with this. Never have to worry about your MP7 in any situation with this case. Perfect fit, but very expensive.
http://www.kraftmusic.com/gator-cases-gkpe-88-tsa-keyboard-case.html

Thank you Marko and Kawai James for your replies!

This case has a similar height issue. Do you you own this or a similar case?
Posted By: Marko in Boston Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/25/14 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by petes1
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Maybe Kraft will cut you a bundle deal with this. Never have to worry about your MP7 in any situation with this case. Perfect fit, but very expensive.
http://www.kraftmusic.com/gator-cases-gkpe-88-tsa-keyboard-case.html

Thank you Marko and Kawai James for your replies!

This case has a similar height issue. Do you you own this or a similar case?


Hi Pete, I personally use the GATOR GK-88 for my ES7 and RD800. Good case and good value. Works fine with both boards. Its roomy for cables and accessories. Loaded case fits in my SUV no problems. Easy to handle and its fairly heavy duty for a light duty case - well made. Plus, love having rollers. I think your MP7 will fit no problem if my boards fit. I would not worry about the extra 3/4 inch as there is flexability in a soft case:

Gator internal 57.5" x 18" x 6"

MP7 53" x 13 1/2" x 6 3/4"
ES7 54" x 14 1/2" x 6"
RD800 55" x 14 1/2" x 5 1/2"

Cons: Keep in mind the case is BIG and might be tight in some cars as it measures over 5'.2" ft long. Also, no shoulder strap. I would personally like a shoulder strap but non issue for some.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 06/28/14 11:30 PM
Just thought I'd post a quick update on my MP7. I'm actually just settling in with my third MP7 (yes, number 3!!!), but that's not really a reflection on the MP at all.

The first MP7 suffered from jittery controls (parameter values were jumping), and so a replacement was organized via Sweetwater and Kawai US. About four hours after I dropped it off at FedEx, I got a call from Alan Palmer at Kawai, saying that a new Beta OS had come through from Japan and asking if I would like to try it, as it could fix the problem... Too late!

So I got the second board, and it did not suffer from the jittery controls, but I noticed that the drawbar organ would consistently double-trigger on certain notes, no matter how they were played. The fact that it was uneven across the board when utilizing the upper contacts to trigger the organ (Fast2) made me somewhat suspicious, and in communication with Alan, he suggested that he'd like to test out another board and, if it worked OK, replace the one I had (#2).

So once again, I took my board to FedEx, came home and got a message from Alan that he'd like me to try something out before shipping! (It's a good thing we weren't dance partners! wink ) Anyway, he play tested the replacement board for me (#3), found that, although not perfect on all notes, the fast trigger mode was less problematic than with my #2 board, and shipped it to me. It was indeed better in that regard than #2, and so I shall be sticking with #3.

Since then, I've been doing a lot of setup programming, and uncovered a bug in OS 1.03, principally relating to all sounds being affected by newly programmed parameters until you restart or hit the "panic" button. This weekend, Alan sent me the Beta OS (1.038) and that seems to be better at clearing the newly stored setup parameters from the system when you revert to Sound mode (so long as you don't exit a setup while editing). There's a little way to go with this bug, I expect, but I believe Kawai will be able to solve it soon, and it really only affects you while you're editing.

As to the machine itself, my view hasn't changed since I first saw it. It probably represents the best value in stage keyboards right now, and it is definitely the most aesthetically pleasing of them all. The main piano sample, despite lacking a little body in the treble area, is one of the best available outside of VSTs. The EPs (IMO, of course) are better than those in the Roland FP range, more authentic than Casios (but not quite as versatile), and challenge both Korg's vintage pianos and Yamaha's SCM models. The drawbar organs are usable (although they won't rival a dedicated clonewheel), and there are a few other sounds that will prove useful for those requiring more than just the basic bread and butter. Couple all that with one of the best plastic actions out there, great MIDI functionality, a much more powerful DSP than before (and which allows different effects for different zones) and you have a fantastic board for the money.

Sometimes, I might still prefer playing a Roland SN unit for straight piano, but unless I fork out $2.5k for the RD800, I'm not going to get as good EPs, nor will I get the overall functionality. And of course, with the MP7, I'll also get a proper power cord... wink
Posted By: Phaedros Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 07/04/14 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by petes1
Regarding a keyboard case:

I'm about to pull the trigger on purchasing an MP7 (sight unseen!), but have a quick question: what cases has anyone purchased for transporting their keyboard? Kraft includes the Gator Cases GK-88 SLIM Keyboard Case together with this keyboard in one of their bundles, but on reading the specs of the keyboard and case, the keyboard is a bit thicker than the internal dimensions of the case, but since the case is made of foam, this is OK. I believe that Kawai makes an MP case, but I've yet to see it sold anywhere.


Just purchased the MP7, I'm so happy... loving it! laugh
And... the Gator Cases GK-88 SLIM will fit :-)


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Posted By: petes1 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 07/04/14 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by Phaedros
Just purchased the MP7, I'm so happy... loving it! laugh
And... the Gator Cases GK-88 SLIM will fit :-)

It looks absolutely beautiful! Congrats, and thanks for sharing!!
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 07/25/14 07:02 PM
The case looks great. I think I want one even though I don't really need it:-)

Gee, it's been quiet on this thread recently. I miss my daily fix of shared MP7 experiences. Has everyone sewn their MP7 into the tapestry of their musical lives and moved on?

Anyway, it occurred to me while browsing the "Kawai MP11. Can't get sound right" thread (must look up how to link to threads) that although lots of helpful people were posting lists of their various settings, no-one suggested sharing setup/sound files that had been dumped from their MP11.

Am I missing something? With all the tweaks and changes you can make with the MP7/11, I would have thought there would be a lot of enthusiastic file swapping going on.

Patrick
Posted By: Abby Pianoman Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 07/26/14 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by PatrickBl


Anyway, it occurred to me while browsing the "Kawai MP11. Can't get sound right" thread (must look up how to link to threads) that although lots of helpful people were posting lists of their various settings, no-one suggested sharing setup/sound files that had been dumped from their MP11.

Am I missing something? With all the tweaks and changes you can make with the MP7/11, I would have thought there would be a lot of enthusiastic file swapping going on.

A very good suggestion indeed.

Patrick
Posted By: Abby Pianoman Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 07/26/14 11:05 AM
Originally Posted by PatrickBl


Anyway, it occurred to me while browsing the "Kawai MP11. Can't get sound right" thread (must look up how to link to threads) that although lots of helpful people were posting lists of their various settings, no-one suggested sharing setup/sound files that had been dumped from their MP11.

Am I missing something? With all the tweaks and changes you can make with the MP7/11, I would have thought there would be a lot of enthusiastic file swapping going on.

Patrick


Great suggestion
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 07/27/14 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by PatrickBl


Anyway, it occurred to me while browsing the "Kawai MP11. Can't get sound right" thread (must look up how to link to threads) that although lots of helpful people were posting lists of their various settings, no-one suggested sharing setup/sound files that had been dumped from their MP11.

Am I missing something? With all the tweaks and changes you can make with the MP7/11, I would have thought there would be a lot of enthusiastic file swapping going on.

Patrick


I've suggested this before. I shared my SETUP for the Liquido - Narcotic synth sound as I'm in a cover band and it might help others:

Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JSXCfGWjqA
Recorded sample: https://soundcloud.com/zagny/mp7-narcotic-1/
KM6 download: https://app.box.com/s/vmj96ak2vh2k5flj6lq0
Instructions: for the fade-in/crescendo at the beginning, use an expression pedal from all the way up to all the way down.

Would be great to have an exchange website or something.
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 07/27/14 06:33 PM
Thanks Lennert for the links. It's a great sound. Might be tricky wearing the MP7 around the neck though :-)

I note that Casio PX-5S owners have a thriving setup-file exchange hosted through their Casio forums. I wondered if Kawai might eventually have one of those.

Patrick
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 07/28/14 12:12 AM
A presets exchange area on the MP website would be terrific, and is something we considered at the very beginning.

Kawai Japan is currently working on other web projects at the moment, but I hope we can return to kawaimp.com and implement more user-oriented feature in the future.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 07/28/14 06:49 AM
Thanks James, look forward to it smile
Posted By: Kobrakai Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 08/16/14 12:52 PM
I bought an MP7 a couple of weeks ago, largely due to the feedback from this thread, so thank you all for that!

I also bought the Gator Cases GK-88 SLIM case mentioned above, however I've had some issues with this case. When lifting the MP7 out of the case (only the second time it's been in it!), I found that a staple had pierced the padding on the bottom and scratched the wood on the bass end, much to my annoyance!

However, I believe this may be preventable. There are a two staples (maybe more) each end, underneath the padding on the short ends of the case, roughly in line with the plastic feet sticking out. You can feel them if you press the padding in. I would advise ensuring that all of these staples are pressed down firmly, because I believe it's just a loose one that caused the damage. I'm in the process of getting the case replaced, and hopefully the damaged piece replaced also.

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In other news, is anyone having trouble getting a MIDI signal out of their MP7?

I've tried USB-to-Host, with a new (and working) cable, and also the MIDI outputs with a Cakewalk UM-1G cable, which works perfectly on my Roland DP-990. I've played with the MIDI settings in the SYSTEM settings, and also the INT/MIDI on active layers, but my computer doesn't detect anything in either MIDI-OX or Synthesia. Is there something I've missed?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 08/17/14 01:52 AM
Originally Posted by Kobrakai
I've tried USB-to-Host, with a new (and working) cable, and also the MIDI outputs with a Cakewalk UM-1G cable, which works perfectly on my Roland DP-990. I've played with the MIDI settings in the SYSTEM settings, and also the INT/MIDI on active layers, but my computer doesn't detect anything in either MIDI-OX or Synthesia. Is there something I've missed?


It doesn't sound like it - especially if you have set already set the ZONES to EXT/BOTH, and checked the SYSTEM menus.

For the USB-MIDI connection to your computer, are you using a Mac or PC, and if the latter, which OS and drivers are you using? If you've tried the Kawai USB-MIDI driver on Windows 8, try uninstalling and reverting back to the built-in Windows USB-MIDI driver.

As for the traditional MIDI IN/OUT jacks, this should obviously work without the need for additional drivers. Have you tried connecting the MIDI OUT from the MP7 to the MIDI IN of another instrument (or vice versea) to check if the MP7 is sending/receiving any data.

Have you tried contacting your Kawai Europe, Kawai America, or your Kawai distributor to seek technical support?

Best of luck

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kobrakai Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 08/17/14 08:29 PM
Ok, thank you James.

I'm using a PC, Windows 7 x64. I've tried both with and without the Kawai drivers from the support site, and also with and without the drivers for the other MIDI connector. Even if the driver were wrong, I'd still expect Windows to recognize there is some device there, but it doesn't appear to.

I don't have a MIDI-MIDI cable, so I can't try connecting two instruments together, all I can say is the USB-to-MIDI cable I have has lights on it that flash when there's traffic, but these don't flash when connected to the Kawai.

I called Kawai Europe last week, and they suggested I'd probably be best talking to my supplier as a first port of call, so I've left an email with him as he's on holiday. Will hopefully talk to him in the next couple of days. Thought there might be a simple answer, but unfortunately it doesn't seem so. The guy I talked to at Kawai hadn't heard of any problems with with MIDI, and I haven't seen anyone else, so I may just be unlucky.

Nevermind, thanks again. Hopefully will be able to get it resolved one way or another.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 08/18/14 03:48 AM
Originally Posted by Kobrakai
...the USB-to-MIDI cable I have has lights on it that flash when there's traffic, but these don't flash when connected to the Kawai.


Kobrakai, it seems that MIDI is not functioning on your MP7.

My suggestion would be to contact your dealer, as you have done, and request that they take the necessary action to resolve the issue.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 08/19/14 10:30 PM
Hello all,

Any feedback on the new firmware (v 1.05)? Haven't fiddled too much yet, but the output level is significantly higher. Slide the volume down before you try this out!

Patrick.
Posted By: *windowlicker* Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 08/20/14 01:45 AM
Hi everyone,
I've been looking at pianos around this price point and have discover the mp7 the same price as the es7 in the UK, what a bargain!

I've demoed the es7 in person and liked the action and general sounds.

Unfortunately I found a bit of a deal breaker with the es7, in that whilst using headphones (AT-m50 so good quality ones) that it was almost uncomfortable to listen whatever the volume, almost feeling as if the headphones were being 'overloaded' (not sure what the correct term is), almost a crackling/tinny sound as if i was using really cheap bad headphones at a very loud volume where they just couldn't resolve the sound.

Other users seem to have found the same thing on the ES7 user thread:

"However, I have also discovered a few (2 or 3)keys which tend to make an audible "tinny" sound when struck with anything other than a light toucvh. This sound also comes through the phones, so it is being generated by the sound engine. It is not a big deal and I can live with it but I do intend to contact Kawai and ask them about it."

"I have noticed from time to time that certain keys (middle E, and 1 octave up from middle E) seem to sound quite "tinny" when struck with more than light touch. It is not always real noticable and I have been able to EQ it out through my mixer somewhat, but it definitely is there. "

"I have noticed this 'tinny' or brilliant quality you speak of, which is kind of tiring and reminds of of tinnitus when using my heapdhones(pun unintended) – I accept this as a sampling characteristic/handicap"

Other users have helpfully suggested that changing the eq/touch sensitivity settings help however from the es7 thread it dosent seem like there is a perfect cure

Basically, has anyone noticed this issue with the mp7? I understand that the mp7 uses an updated 'Harmonic XL sampling' method compared to the es7's 'progressive harmonic imaging' so it would be fantastic if this is not an issue!

Its so frustrating that that the es7 is perfect for my requirements except for this issue which makes it almost unusable as 99% of the time I'll have to be using headphones

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 08/20/14 01:55 AM
windowlicker, it seems that some users are more sensitive to characteristics in the Kawai sound that others. In addition, these characteristics can also be accentuated or attenuated depending on the speakers or headphones used.

My recommendation would be to play-test an MP7 for yourself, rather than relying on the opinions of others. You can also watch and listen to the various demos on Youtube and at KawaiMP.com.

Best of luck.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Dr. W Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 08/22/14 01:52 PM
For what it's worth, I use headphones with my Kawai MP7 all the time, and have noticed no distortion or any other problems. However, my headphones are nothing special.
Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/01/14 02:45 PM
hello


I read the list of sounds of Mp7 (in manual written by James)
the first 8 Acoustic Piano sounds are

1-1-A/B/C/D and

1-2-A/B/C/D

I'd like to know if they are all new sounds (samples) or between these sounds, some are equal to the MP6

thanks
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/02/14 12:16 AM
IMOL, all of the MP7's sounds are new (i.e. remade), due to changes to the tone generator and software. However, some sounds do utilise samples from the MP6. The 'Concert Grand2' sound (1-2-A) for example is based on the 'Concert Grand' sound from the MP8II, and included for users that still like playing these older samples.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/02/14 10:23 AM
James, thanks for your reply.
Summarizing, if I understand it in Mp7:

the Sounds/samples 1-2-A/B/C/D (Concert/Studio/Mellow/Jazz ...Grand2) are the same MP6
that originate from the MP8II / MP5.

the Sounds/samples 1-1-A/B/C/D are the same MP6 but remade with new generator HIXL vs PHI

While among the EP, what's new?

thanks
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/02/14 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by IMOL
...the Sounds/samples 1-1-A/B/C/D are the same MP6 but remade with new generator HIXL vs PHI


No, I don't believe these samples are the same as the MP6.

Originally Posted by IMOL
While among the EP, what's new?


I'm sorry, I don't know. However, I gather they are the same as the MP11.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: puff Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/03/14 12:54 AM

"I'm sorry I dont know"

James - are you feeling tired? That's a pathetic response for Mr Kawai ;-)

It seems to me that all four main Rhodes sounds are new - and improved over the MP6's main Rhodes offering and probably more usefull than those on the MP11 as you can layer them at will and amp/ effect them diferentely.

Also the MP7 has the only electric piano sample with Sympathetic Resonance in the kmown universe. Its under the AP button as New Age Piano 4 (1-7-D) and is great after some tweeking.(The bass end gets progressively less usefull though so I must find something to layer with it.)

Wurly sounds may be the same as MP6 but not 100% sure about that.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/03/14 02:06 AM
I would be surprised if Kawai went back into the studio to create new recordings of their acoustic grand and Rhodes/Wurlitzer for the latest sample sets. The samples in the MP7/MP11 may be freshly derived from the original recordings, but I doubt that they are from a different recording session (except for the older MP5/8II samples). The new DSP is so much more powerful and along with the longer HIXL implementation and enhanced action has significantly improved the sound and response of the MP7 when compared with the MP6. However, there are many similar characteristics to the AP/EP sounds when taken as a whole - although I would agree that the AP sound seems more markedly different than the EP sounds.

James please correct me if I'm wrong about the recordings from which the latest sample sets have been extracted.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/03/14 02:15 AM
Yes, I believe you're correct.

The AP samples are new, but utilise the existing recordings.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: roobarb Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/06/14 03:27 PM
I was interested to read that some people are having problems with the midi output of their MP7.
I am experiencing exactly that, drivers load okay but no output from the keys.
I am wondering if anyone else has had this problem and managed to fix it, as I am about to send my unit back to Thomann.
It was working fine but just stopped!

The keyboard loads the drivers fine and accepts incoming midi but nothing goes out.

Any ideas anyone, Ive tried all the usual suggestions, cables, driver etc.

This is such a shame as otherwise its a brilliant keyboard.
Posted By: ChoPraTs Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/06/14 04:08 PM
Originally Posted by roobarb
I was interested to read that some people are having problems with the midi output of their MP7.
I am experiencing exactly that, drivers load okay but no output from the keys.
I am wondering if anyone else has had this problem and managed to fix it, as I am about to send my unit back to Thomann.
It was working fine but just stopped!

The keyboard loads the drivers fine and accepts incoming midi but nothing goes out.

Any ideas anyone, Ive tried all the usual suggestions, cables, driver etc.

This is such a shame as otherwise its a brilliant keyboard.


Have you tried to reinstall any firmware update?
Posted By: roobarb Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/06/14 04:21 PM
yep David tried that....no difference frown
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 09/07/14 12:22 AM
roobarb, see my post in your other thread.
Posted By: BachPlus Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/08/14 08:17 PM
Hi James,
Can a sound on the MP7 be updated, or replaced, either by Kawai, or by MP7 owners?

For example, one sound I really need is a good Harp.
Actually MP7 has a great harp! but the range it not correct, so I cannot use it for Harp repertoire. The range is up to D5 (one octave above middle C plus 1 note)
(see pic at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_key_frequencies).
For example, I want to play the harp sound for a wedding ceremony, but I need the notes above D5 to sound nice. I cannot use the "frequency shifted" substitute sounds in an intimate setting like a church. Maybe in a rock band it will do.
This is a major irritation to me. I'll have to lug along a computer and midi cables to get the sounds I need. This will make my MP7 jealous and feel neglected smile

I would say a rule for acoustic instrument samples should be:
"the range of sampled notes needs to match the real acoustic instruments range.
Only outside the natural range is it okay to stretch the notes (or optionally be silent). Otherwise it is just a toy instrument."

It would be great if the MP7 could update sounds, or allow owners to do it.
One problem would be limited on-board memory but I would be happy to delete some sampled sound banks that I don't want.

Do you think this can be supported?

Thanks,
BP
p.s. love my mp7, but I want it to grow with me.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/08/14 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by BachPlus
I would say a rule for acoustic instrument samples should be:
"the range of sampled notes needs to match the real acoustic instruments range.
Only outside the natural range is it okay to stretch the notes (or optionally be silent). Otherwise it is just a toy instrument."


I would agree with this. There's generally too much stretching going on in DPs. Even with the MP7's pianos, the only one with 88-note sampling is the main Concert Grand and its derivatives. The 2nd grand seems to be sampled in 4-note stretch groups, and I think it's similar for other pianos. It's still a great instrument, but a little more memory wouldn't go amiss.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/09/14 02:29 AM
Hello BachPlus,

I'm glad to read that you are enjoying your MP7.

To answer your queries:

Originally Posted by BachPlus
Can a sound on the MP7 be updated, or replaced, either by Kawai, or by MP7 owners?


No, I'm afraid not.

Originally Posted by BachPlus
I'll have to lug along a computer and midi cables to get the sounds I need. This will make my MP7 jealous and feel neglected smile


How about an iPad?

Originally Posted by BachPlus
I would say a rule for acoustic instrument samples should be:
"the range of sampled notes needs to match the real acoustic instruments range.
Only outside the natural range is it okay to stretch the notes (or optionally be silent). Otherwise it is just a toy instrument."


I don't disagree with you, however this may not be possible given the finite restrictions on available sample memory. When developing a stage piano, I believe the engineers are right to prioritise piano, electric piano, organ, and synth sounds over other less common voices such as the harp.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/09/14 02:41 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
It's still a great instrument, but a little more memory wouldn't go amiss.


The MP7 has something like four times the sample memory of the MP6.
Sure, more is always better, but it doesn't come cheap. At its current price, I believe the MP7 offers an incredible package for the money.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted By: BachPlus Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/09/14 04:26 AM
What speaker monitors work well for home use?
My headphones work great and the MP7 acoustic piano sounds are nice and clear.
But for some reason, the 5" monitors sound "dusty" or "dirty", for the piano sounds. BUT other non-piano sounds like electric pianos and organs are good and clear with the monitors.
Is the acoustic piano sound too complex for inexpensive monitors? I expect at least 90% as good a sound as headphones.
But i would says its 50% and not pleasant.
But for non-piano sounds, it is like 95% as good as headphones.

(I didn't say my monitor brand, since I don't want to imply they aren't good, as I am very inexperienced with audio)

But with so many MP7 users here, someone must have a suggestion for speaker monitors that work well for the acoustic piano samples at home.

Thanks,
BP
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/09/14 04:35 AM
Originally Posted by BachPlus
What speaker monitors work well for home use?

I'm using a pair of Yamaha HS80M monitors and they work quite weill with the MP7. There's now an updated version of these 8" monitors.

I've also had it hooked up to two Roland CM-30 speakers, and while they lack the fidelity of the Yamaha monitors, the sound is still pretty good. (I even had both the Yamahas and the Rolands hooked up together at one point - but that's overkill!)
Posted By: Banshee Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/09/14 07:05 AM
On my MP7 I use Yamaha HS8 monitors which sound awesome. However I noticed, albeit being near field monitors, the HS8 require some headroom to express their full potential.
So I placed them in a equilateral stereo triangle with 2m side length, this setup seems to work best in my room setup. The monitors have at least 3m clearance to the walls in each direction.

Sound is astonishing with those monitors, a subwoofer is not required and all the Kawai Pianos develop a great amouont of detail and character. However those Yamahas show a stron directionality, so as long as you are listening alone and set them up properly you will love the sound. But other people in the room will have inferior sound, missing treble and stereo field. Keep that in mind, if you think about those speakers. They are great for the player but not optimal for audience.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/10/14 04:52 AM
Finally got my hands on an MP7. Great board!

One problem I'm having: When I select a high trigger point for organ (i.e. "off-fast"), if I switch to piano, I still get the behavior of the high trigger point (fast trigger at full velocity). Also, if I change the organ to high trigger and Store it, that state is not remembered, the organ is back to Normal trigger the next time I turn the keyboard on. Have I found a bug? Is there something wrong with this unit? (I tried a factory reset, no change.)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/10/14 05:57 AM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Finally got my hands on an MP7. Great board!


Woot! wink
Where (i.e. which store) did you find it, just out of interest?

Originally Posted by anotherscott
One problem I'm having: When I select a high trigger point for organ (i.e. "off-fast"), if I switch to piano, I still get the behavior of the high trigger point (fast trigger at full velocity). Also, if I change the organ to high trigger and Store it, that state is not remembered, the organ is back to Normal trigger the next time I turn the keyboard on. Have I found a bug? Is there something wrong with this unit? (I tried a factory reset, no change.)


This is not a bug.

'Touch Mode' is a [C]ommon parameter, which means all zones will share the same setting. It also means that the parameter is not stored to a SOUND memory.

In order to easily switch between sounds with different [C]ommon parameters, you'll need to store them as separate SETUPs. E.g. SETUP 1-1-A for piano (Touch Mode = Normal), SETUP 1-1-B for organ (Touch Mode = Fast2), etc.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
...the organ is back to Normal trigger the next time I turn the keyboard on.


In order to have parameters recall when the instrument is turned on, they need to be stored to the MP's PowerOn memory. This includes [C]ommon parameters, so you could theoretically set Fast/Fast2 to be selected each time the instrument is turned on. However, then you would need to manually set it back to Normal when wishing to play piano, unless of course you're using SETUPs.

I hope this answers your query.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted By: Kubla Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/10/14 04:20 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Finally got my hands on an MP7. Great board!


Woot! wink
Where (i.e. which store) did you find it, just out of interest?

Originally Posted by anotherscott
One problem I'm having: When I select a high trigger point for organ (i.e. "off-fast"), if I switch to piano, I still get the behavior of the high trigger point (fast trigger at full velocity). Also, if I change the organ to high trigger and Store it, that state is not remembered, the organ is back to Normal trigger the next time I turn the keyboard on. Have I found a bug? Is there something wrong with this unit? (I tried a factory reset, no change.)


This is not a bug.

'Touch Mode' is a [C]ommon parameter, which means all zones will share the same setting. It also means that the parameter is not stored to a SOUND memory.

In order to easily switch between sounds with different [C]ommon parameters, you'll need to store them as separate SETUPs. E.g. SETUP 1-1-A for piano (Touch Mode = Normal), SETUP 1-1-B for organ (Touch Mode = Fast2), etc.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
...the organ is back to Normal trigger the next time I turn the keyboard on.


In order to have parameters recall when the instrument is turned on, they need to be stored to the MP's PowerOn memory. This includes [C]ommon parameters, so you could theoretically set Fast/Fast2 to be selected each time the instrument is turned on. However, then you would need to manually set it back to Normal when wishing to play piano, unless of course you're using SETUPs.

I hope this answers your query.

Cheers,
James
x


The MP7 is on my short list(along with the ES7)-pending an opportunity to try out each model...but <Wow> the former certainly seems to have some sophisticated features. How many potential "Set Ups" can be stored, James?
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/10/14 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by Kubla
How many potential "Set Ups" can be stored, James?

256 Setups, plus you can edit any or all of the 256 Sounds.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/10/14 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Kubla
The MP7 is on my short list


It's an extremely fine package, and is about the best all-round stage/slab board available right now, IMO.

Aesthetics/build quality: beats the Yamaha CP4, Roland RD800 and Casio PX-5S in both materials and looks, IMO. It also avoids the Roland and Kurzweil tendency to dribble extra plastic and controls off the left hand side, making the boards overlong and unwieldy.

Ease of use: almost totally intuitive (I've used the manual maybe once!).

Features: effects (and lots of them), EQ, zones, patches, MIDI assignments all available from the front panel. Standard "kettle" AC plug, and lots of connections (including a socket for expression pedal) on the rear.

Action: one of the best, and despite being plastic I think it easily rivals the Yamaha GH3 wooden action.

Sounds: very subjective, but I think it includes very good pianos, very good EPs, good organs, strings and bass, plus a few other usable sounds with useful features such as portamento. The upright piano has a lot of character (rather like one of Nord's in that respect), and the 2nd grand, while tonally similar to the 1st (it's a Kawai!) provides a distinctive enough difference to make it useful in some contexts. I will reiterate here (sorry, James wink ) that the claim of 88-note HI-XL sampling only refers to the main grand piano. Nord wins here as you can download and install multiple fully sampled grand pianos up to the 500MB limit. The one thing I think future Kawai DPs could benefit from is the addition of a more mellow-voiced but full-bodied piano sampled from scratch (not simply a processed version of the main piano).

OS updates: swiftly produced as bugs are found, and very easy to perform. It should also be noted that Kawai has an excellent record in responding to bug reports, and is very willing to listen to genuine issues as they arise. At least here in America, the level of support is tremendous.

Music rest: yes, some of us still use them! Get a grip, Roland and Casio!

I'm extremely pleased I bought the MP7. I love Roland pianos and really appreciate the clarity of Yamaha, as well as the "aliveness" of Nord and the latest unstretched, unlooped Korg offerings. However, I can no longer justify keeping multiple DPs just to satisfy my mood of the day. The MP7 provides the most complete package at a sensible price that I can use in just about any situation.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/10/14 10:32 PM
voxpops, wow, thank you for the positive write-up! wink

I agree with your comments, however:

Originally Posted by voxpops
...not simply a processed version of the main piano).


Perhaps this was true in the past, when memory was more limited. However, as I mentioned the other day, the MP7 has around 4x the sample memory of the MP6, allowing multiple different piano sounds as opposed to filtered variations based on the same sample set.

That's not to say that every sound utilises unique samples, but there's certainly a lot more data in there than a single 'main' piano.

Cheers,
James
x
Posted By: Exo Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/10/14 11:11 PM
Originally Posted by BachPlus

Is the acoustic piano sound too complex for inexpensive monitors? I expect at least 90% as good a sound as headphones.
But i would says its 50% and not pleasant.
But for non-piano sounds, it is like 95% as good as headphones.


I'm using Behringer Truth B3030A. All I can say: They sound very clear and authentic. And they are pretty unexpensive!
Very good value for the price.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/10/14 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
voxpops, wow, thank you for the positive write-up! wink

I agree with your comments, however:

Originally Posted by voxpops
...not simply a processed version of the main piano).


Perhaps this was true in the past, when memory was more limited. However, as I mentioned the other day, the MP7 has around 4x the sample memory of the MP6, allowing multiple different piano sounds as opposed to filtered variations based on the same sample set.

That's not to say that every sound uutilises unique samples, but there's certainly a lot more data in there than a single 'main' piano.


James, by "main" I was referring to Concert Grand 1. I believe that the other (separate) AP samples are Concert Grand 2 and Upright Piano. Unless I'm very much mistaken, both the Mellow Grand samples are derivatives of either Concert Grand 1 or Concert Grand 2. When I suggested "the addition of a more mellow-voiced but full-bodied piano sampled from scratch", I had in mind the idea of a grand that had been voiced in a mellow way and then sampled to preserve its characteristics. Given the sometimes brittle nature of the current Kawai samples - that are then (presumably) processed to produce the mellow versions - you don't get quite the same personality shining through the derivatives.

Of course, I stand to be corrected if these mellow grands are in fact separate samples. It's common knowledge in the voxpops household that the old man is going deaf!

Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 05:35 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Where (i.e. which store) did you find it, just out of interest?

One happened to pop up on Craigslist 10 minutes from my girlfriend's place. So I took the opportunity to finally check one out. I ended up going home with it.

Some backstory: A few years ago, I checked out the MP10. It was, at the time, my favorite sounding DP. But the action was heavy/sluggish for my taste, and there was no way I was buying something that was 70+ pounds anyway. I also checked out the MP6, but didn't really get into the sound or the action on that one. But from that experience I knew I would like the sound of the MP7 (since it had at least MP10 calibre sound), and from what I had learned about it online (including that nice video from Kraft), I knew I would like the interface and features. I really had two questions: What was the action like? And could I possibly deal with a 46 lb board? I'll sidetrack here to mention that I generally consider 34 lbs about my limit, but every now and then I get a "special" gig where I'm willing to consider going a little heavier to get just what I want. So I wasn't looking at this as an everyday gigging board, but something for "special occasions" - still, it had to be reasonably manageable, and my max threshold for shleppage is still pretty low, so I didn't know if 46 would make the cut.

Well here's what I quickly discovered to answer my two questions:

One, the MP7 has one of the best actions I've ever played. I like it much more than the MP6 or the MP10, or most actions from other brands. As a bonus, while I'm not typically one to play organ from piano actions, this board is really well playable for organ too! The Fatar TP40 variants used in some Kurzweil and Nord models are also above average if you must play organ from a weighted board (i.e. Nord Stage 2, Kurz PC3K8), but they are not as nice as the MP7 for piano. (I don't dislike those TP40s as some other people do, but I do like the MP7 action better.)

Two, this is probably the lightest 46 lb board I can imagine. That might sound funny, but really, weight doesn't tell you the whole story. How the weight is distributed and where the carrying points are located and how they are designed makes a big difference. The bottom line is that the 46 lb MP7 felt NO heavier than the 38.5 lb Korg SV1-73, whether moving them by themselves or moving them in cases. In fact, I was so surprised at this that I actually weighed both keyboards to make sure those numbers were accurate! From memory, I think the MP7 is easier to move than a number of other 30-something pound boards, including the Roland VR-700/760, Nord Stage 2-76, Kurzweil PC2/PC3. Sometimes there's just no comfortable way to pick the darn things up!

So already knowing that I'd like the piano sound and the features/interface, it was a matter of playing the keys and lifting the board off its stand, and I was ready to buy. However, this doesn't stop me from wishing there was a 7x key version with ES100 calibre keys at about 30 lbs for my everyday gigs. ;-)

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Touch Mode' is a [C]ommon parameter, which means all zones will share the same setting. It also means that the parameter is not stored to a SOUND memory.

I didn't realize that also meant that changing that parameter would "stick" even if you changed the sound in the one and only zone you're playing, if you hadn't saved your edits. Thanks for the explanation. I understand, but it is a bit confusing since most of the edits you make to a sound--even ones on the same screen as Touch mode--are instantly forgotten if you change to a new sound without saving anything... but that one sticks.

I like the flexibility of actually being able to choose from two high trigger points, something no other "organ" board offers (AFAIK), a nice side benefit of having three sensors. A nice enhancement would be to also offer the option of different release points. When playing organ or clav, it can actually be advantageous (and in some cases more authentic) to have the note stop playing before it is at the highest point of its travel, that would be another way to take advantage of the middle sensor.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 05:39 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
James, by "main" I was referring to Concert Grand 1. I believe that the other (separate) AP samples are Concert Grand 2 and Upright Piano. Unless I'm very much mistaken, both the Mellow Grand samples are derivatives of either Concert Grand 1 or Concert Grand 2. When I suggested "the addition of a more mellow-voiced but full-bodied piano sampled from scratch", I had in mind the idea of a grand that had been voiced in a mellow way and then sampled to preserve its characteristics. Given the sometimes brittle nature of the current Kawai samples - that are then (presumably) processed to produce the mellow versions - you don't get quite the same personality shining through the derivatives.

While I tend to go for brighter piano sounds, sometimes I want something mellower. I quickly found what I consider to be an improvement on the MP7 Mellow, try this: Choose the Mellow piano (third piano sound), change DCF Attack Level to -15 and change Dynamics to 5. See what you think.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 06:36 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
When developing a stage piano, I believe the engineers are right to prioritise piano, electric piano, organ, and synth sounds over other less common voices such as the harp.

I agree. I was surprised at a couple of omissions, though. Like no honky tonk piano. (Well, I do see in the manual that there's a GM version buried in it somewhere, not accessible from the front panel, which is a bit of a head-scratcher.) I imagine there's probably an EFX setup that will get into the ballpark at least. And I expected more than one clav sample, since many piano boards seem to offer all four of the clav's pickup variations. Also no mellotrons. I know, it's not really a DP sound, but the MP7 comes so close to also filling the "classic keys" niche of some of the Nord and Kurz models (with all the piano versatility plus the drawbar organ), I kind of almost expect to see the other classic keyboard sounds like clav and mellotron in there. But one thing that's great about the MP7 is all the MIDI functionality. So adding things like mellotron sounds should actually be pretty easy using, for example, an iPhone or iPad, where you can find some really nice mellotron apps.

Meanwhile, since I was having fun tweaking, in case anyone has an interest, here was my quick attempt at a mellotron string sound: Start with Strings 3A. Turn on Amp (if necessary... I don't remember if Amp was already on on that one). Set Amp to S. Case, Drive = 71, Level = 61. Set Amp EQ to Lo = -5, Mid = +9, Mid Freq = 1175. Set DCA Release to -16, and Dynamics Off. Set filter Cutoff to -20 and resonance to +27.

Posted By: Exo Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 09:54 AM
Originally Posted by anotherscott

While I tend to go for brighter piano sounds, sometimes I want something mellower. I quickly found what I consider to be an improvement on the MP7 Mellow, try this: Choose the Mellow piano (third piano sound), change DCF Attack Level to -15 and change Dynamics to 5. See what you think.


I thinks it's time Kawai is building a platform/site for sharing MP-x setups. Any news about this, James?
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
by "main" I was referring to Concert Grand 1. I believe that the other (separate) AP samples are Concert Grand 2 and Upright Piano.

It seems like "Pop Piano" is probably also a separate sample set, based on info at http://www.kawaius.com/main_links/digital/Features/harmonic_imaging2010.html

"Many upper models also feature a 'Pop Piano' sound. Like the other [grands], this is also an EX Concert Piano, but the recording methods and equipment [differ]."

As for your idea of sampling a piano that is inherently mellower, I wonder whether Kawai makes a mellow sounding grand in the first place. (I don't expect they are going to be sampling any non-Kawai acoustics!)
Posted By: moonchild77 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 02:52 PM
Hi,

I have just received my MP7 one hour ago and am so excited smile
There is a huge difference in action from my old studiologic controller.

But i noticed that there is no USB cable included (or i can't find it). Is this normal? Will a bog-standard cheap one do or should i buy a specific one?

Thanks for the info!

Kind regards,

Martin
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
I was surprised at a couple of omissions, though. Like no honky tonk piano.

I'm not in front of the board right now, but one of the setups - Old Upright or Old Piano - is a great alternative, and you can add a little chorus if necessary.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
I quickly found what I consider to be an improvement on the MP7 Mellow, try this: Choose the Mellow piano (third piano sound), change DCF Attack Level to -15 and change Dynamics to 5. See what you think.

Thanks, Scott, I'll give that a try this weekend.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by moonchild77
Will a bog-standard cheap one do

Yes!
Posted By: Exo Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by moonchild77
But i noticed that there is no USB cable included (or i can't find it).


You can use any stock USB Cable from your local computer-store. Nothing special here. Look for extra shielding if you need a long one (> 5 ft / 1.5m)
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
I can no longer justify keeping multiple DPs just to satisfy my mood of the day.

So which (if any) are you intending to keep, besides the MP7? I know you've been using the PX5S with Pianoteq and Ravensoft. How do you compare that experience with the MP7 playing its internal sounds? (Of course, you could also use the MP7 to control PIanoteq and Ravensoft...)
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by voxpops
I can no longer justify keeping multiple DPs just to satisfy my mood of the day.

So which (if any) are you intending to keep, besides the MP7? I know you've been using the PX5S with Pianoteq and Ravensoft. How do you compare that experience with the MP7 playing its internal sounds? (Of course, you could also use the MP7 to control PIanoteq and Ravensoft...)

The MP7 has a superior action, which makes for a better experience, of course, even though I think the PX is remarkably playable for such a lightweight board. The Pianoteq sound is a little fuller and richer than the Kawai, with just a tinge of artificiality (more noticeable in the upper ranges). Pianoteq damper resonance is noticeably broader, and has more of the "loom of strings" sound - i.e. less like a reverb. The MP7 doesn't envelope you in quite the same way. I haven't played Ravenscroft for a while (PT is so good live that I haven't needed to), but from what I recall, Ravenscroft and the MP7 are not a million miles apart in the way they sound and respond. One of the great things about the MP7's HI-XL Concert Grand is that it doesn't have annoying clumps of notes (the PX-5S has a bunch around an octave above middle C).

The MP7 plays and sounds more like an acoustic piano than most DPs I've come across. However, I think Pianoteq is slightly more involving and responsive - quite inspirational in its latest incarnation. The combination of the two maybe about as good a range of sounds and tactile connections as you can get right now.

As to what I'll keep... My gigging needs are in flux so I'm not absolutely certain. I may trade in the PX for a board with speakers, but its proving really difficult to find something that is relatively lightweight with relatively powerful and high quality amplification, so that I can use it without additional equipment from time to time. I made a halfhearted bid on a Kurzweil SPS4-8 yesterday (which I didn't win), but despite its 38w amp, 4 speakers, and PC3 sounds, I think I'd be disappointed in those triple-strike pianos for solo work. It may be necessary to look at Yamaha again. It's actually a shame that the Kawai ES100 has such low-powered speakers, otherwise it might be ideal.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/11/14 08:46 PM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
I quickly found what I consider to be an improvement on the MP7 Mellow, try this: Choose the Mellow piano (third piano sound), change DCF Attack Level to -15 and change Dynamics to 5. See what you think.


ARGHHHHHH!!!!!

The jumping parameters are back! I was trying to dial in your settings and the adjacent parameters were going wild, leaping around all over the place, and when I let go of a knob, the cursor would suddenly highlight a different parameter and start changing it. I had assumed that this problem was cured in one of the OS updates, but evidently not so.

OK, I've now switched over to "Catch" mode for the knobs. It's an interesting variation on the sound, but is insufficiently open and resonant for me - a bit truncated and compressed-sounding. I'm thinking more along the lines of a piano with softer felts and maybe different string windings (nickel?), that still sounds beautifully open but with a more mellifluous and warm tone. That's why I think it would need to be sampled from scratch rather than processed.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/12/14 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
The MP7 plays and sounds more like an acoustic piano than most DPs I've come across. However, I think Pianoteq is slightly more involving and responsive - quite inspirational in its latest incarnation. The combination of the two maybe about as good a range of sounds and tactile connections as you can get right now.

I guess I'll need to check Pianoteq again. I wasn't too taken with the earlier version I tried.

Originally Posted by voxpops
I may trade in the PX for a board with speakers, but its proving really difficult to find something that is relatively lightweight with relatively powerful and high quality amplification, so that I can use it without additional equipment from time to time.

Yeah, you're going to get that FP4 again. ;-) Really, I haven't found a portable board-with-speakers I'm entirely happy with either. I actually prefer the FP2 action to the FP4, though the 4 has better features and sounds... but neither really makes me happy. For cocktail hour stuff, lately, I've been using the FP2, but I'm wondering if I might be happier with one of the boards without speakers and a very small and light speaker, something small enough that it wouldn't require an extra hand or trip, like maybe a Bose Soundlink or an iLoud. I don't know whether they will go as loud as an FP2/4, though. I like that they run on battery, so you're not adding one more thing to plug in, either. If those don't cut it, maybe a Roland CUBE Lite, but it's starting to get bulkier. So now you're probably adding a shoulder bag, rather than likely being able to put the speaker in the same case as the keyboard.
Posted By: moonchild77 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/12/14 03:38 PM
Originally Posted by Exo
Originally Posted by moonchild77
But i noticed that there is no USB cable included (or i can't find it).


You can use any stock USB Cable from your local computer-store. Nothing special here. Look for extra shielding if you need a long one (> 5 ft / 1.5m)


Thanks. One more question: Is it possible to set the internal metronome to an exact specific tempo? Using the knob it jumps in 3bpm steps.

King regards,

Martin
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/12/14 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
I made a halfhearted bid on a Kurzweil SPS4-8 yesterday (which I didn't win), but despite its 38w amp, 4 speakers, and PC3 sounds, I think I'd be disappointed in those triple-strike pianos for solo work.

Yeah, that should sound beefier than even the FP2/FP4, which themselves, are borderline (and have even sometimes been insufficient) for some of my purposes. I think the "Grand Evans" was my Kurz piano of choice... I don't think it's stock in the SP models, but you can load it in.

But what's also nice about the SPS4-8 is that it has line inputs, which play through its speakers. So if the SPS4-8 works for you in terms of having self-contained sufficiently beefy speakers, you could easily add your tablet and Pianoteq to it to overcome any limitations in its piano sound. It's certainly not going to give you an MP7-callibre action, but it's probably at least about as good as the FP4. Heavier, but a lot more capable, and presumably with a much better speaker system.
Posted By: Exo Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/12/14 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by moonchild77
Thanks. One more question: Is it possible to set the internal metronome to an exact specific tempo? Using the knob it jumps in 3bpm steps.


You can fine tune the bpm with the -/No +/Yes keys below the Edit/Store/Cursor panel.
Posted By: moonchild77 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/12/14 10:02 PM
Originally Posted by Exo
Originally Posted by moonchild77
Thanks. One more question: Is it possible to set the internal metronome to an exact specific tempo? Using the knob it jumps in 3bpm steps.


You can fine tune the bpm with the -/No +/Yes keys below the Edit/Store/Cursor panel.


Oh cool, great! Thank you!

Kind regards,

Martin
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/13/14 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Exo

I thinks it's time Kawai is building a platform/site for sharing MP-x setups. Any news about this, James?


This is exactly the reason I was checking this thread. There have been some words (from James, no promises though) about something like an exchange platform on the official website. I think this would really create a community of MPx-owners. And a very good reason for new customers to hop on the MP-train.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/14/14 12:22 AM
Exo, Lennert, I would love to develop a new section of the KawaiMP.com website dedicated to exchanging sound tweaks and SETUPs, but am rather busy with other projects at the moment.

The multi-language MP7 website is my next priority (when I have time), then once this is out of the way I can focus on expanding the demos and looking into how best to implement a user community.

I'm not sure creating a simple forum is necessarily the answer.

In the meantime, there is always the Kawai MP facebook page - if users wish to post demos and new sounds there, they're free to do so.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/14/14 01:12 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by raphus
I know you can't predict the future, but do you think there's any possibility of the sliders being able to send other MIDI CCs as part of a future software update?


It's an interesting suggestion, however I'm afraid I cannot say if it will be possible to implement with a software update.

The MP7 can be set to respond to MIDI CC control for the organ drawbar function, so you can use external drawbars to control the organ sound. But am I correct that, even with that function enabled, the MP7's own pseudo-drawbar controls don't send MIDI CC? That would be a nice enhancement, which would both allow those sliders to send MIDI CC to other software/hardware synth modules as raphus was talking about (I guess you'd have to mute the organ zone if you don't want to hear organ while doing this), and also it would allow you to record your drawbar movements into a sequencer as you played, to record/recreate an organ performance, which I don't think there is currently a way to do. Or did I miss something?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/14/14 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
The MP7 can be set to respond to MIDI CC control for the organ drawbar function, so you can use external drawbars to control the organ sound.


Correct.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
But am I correct that, even with that function enabled, the MP7's own pseudo-drawbar controls don't send MIDI CC?


Do you mean in tonewheel organ mode, with the drawbars assigned to external MIDI CCs, do the MP7's faders, knobs, and yes/no buttons send the same assigned MIDI CCs back? If so, no, they do not...and to be honest, I'm not sure what the benefit would be.

However, as mentioned earlier in the thread, the MP7's faders do send CC#07 (Volume) when the active zone is set to EXT or BOTH.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
That would be a nice enhancement, which would both allow those sliders to send MIDI CC to other software/hardware synth modules as raphus was talking about (I guess you'd have to mute the organ zone if you don't want to hear organ while doing this), and also it would allow you to record your drawbar movements into a sequencer as you played, to record/recreate an organ performance, which I don't think there is currently a way to do.[/quote[

Yes, I think those are both good arguments for allowing the user to assign different CC#s to the four zone faders. Let's see what happens in the future.


Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/14/14 03:01 PM
In the end I am part of your club

I'm waiting for my new Kawai Mp7 thumb

I had a look at the manual
there are now many parameters programming.

I would like one day to get a Mp7 Edit software for PC

this would be nice too wow

what do you think?
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/14/14 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by IMOL
I had a look at the manual
there are now many parameters programming.

I would like one day to get a Mp7 Edit software for PC

this would be nice too wow

what do you think?

I think that a software editor would be useful for seeing multiple parameters at a glance, but because the MP7 is so easy to program from the front panel, it's not really necessary.

However, one huge advantage of using a software approach is to avoid the issue of random parameter changes in edit mode. I had assumed that this problem had been cured in an OS update, but it still exists on my MP7. A workaround is to switch the control knobs to "CATCH" in the System menu when editing.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/14/14 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by anotherscott
The MP7 can be set to respond to MIDI CC control for the organ drawbar function, so you can use external drawbars to control the organ sound.


Correct.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
But am I correct that, even with that function enabled, the MP7's own pseudo-drawbar controls don't send MIDI CC?


Do you mean in tonewheel organ mode, with the drawbars assigned to external MIDI CCs, do the MP7's faders, knobs, and yes/no buttons send the same assigned MIDI CCs back? If so, no, they do not...and to be honest, I'm not sure what the benefit would be.

I meant, if you set the 16' drawbar to, say, MIDI cc 14 (allowing an external drawbar unit sending MIDI CC 14 to control the 16' drawbar setting of the MP7), does that same setting allow the MP7 to send CC 14 from Fader #1 when you are on a screen where Fader #1 internally controls the level of the 16' drawbar. But from what you say, I think you are confirming the answer is no, that there is no mode or setting where the fader sends any CC except 7.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Yes, I think those are both good arguments for allowing the user to assign different CC#s to the four zone faders. Let's see what happens in the future.

Hopefully. Tying it into the existing infrastructure for specifying MIDI CC in organ mode (as I was talking about above) could be one way, that wouldn't even have to involve new screens or parameters, except maybe just a new System option to turn the feature on or off. Though if you want to get fancier and have a separate place to enter MIDI CCs in a Setup (which wouldn't require taking a detour through organ mode), that could be cool too. Though one thing about repurposing organ mode is that it could theoretically give you MIDI CC capability, not just at the four faders, but also at the 4 knobs (and the +/- button), i.e. under all 9 of the existing drawbar controls.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/15/14 02:55 AM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
I meant, if you set the 16' drawbar to, say, MIDI cc 14 (allowing an external drawbar unit sending MIDI CC 14 to control the 16' drawbar setting of the MP7), does that same setting allow the MP7 to send CC 14 from Fader #1 when you are on a screen where Fader #1 internally controls the level of the 16' drawbar.


No, I don't believe so. The CC# assignment is only for receiving, not for sending.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
But from what you say, I think you are confirming the answer is no, that there is no mode or setting where the fader sends any CC except 7.


Correct. At least, not at this current moment.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Tying it into the existing infrastructure for specifying MIDI CC in organ mode (as I was talking about above) could be one way, that wouldn't even have to involve new screens or parameters, except maybe just a new System option to turn the feature on or off.


Hmm...but that's not a very elegant solution though. Having to enter TW organ mode in order to set the MIDI CC for a fader is rather counter-intuitive.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Though if you want to get fancier and have a separate place to enter MIDI CCs in a Setup (which wouldn't require taking a detour through organ mode), that could be cool too.


Yes, this would get my vote too.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Though one thing about repurposing organ mode is that it could theoretically give you MIDI CC capability, not just at the four faders, but also at the 4 knobs (and the +/- button), i.e. under all 9 of the existing drawbar controls.


True, but I would be weary about possible conflicts in functionality when reassigning the control knobs +/- buttons, as these already have their own set functions (and assignable in the case of the control knobs).

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/15/14 04:49 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Tying it into the existing infrastructure for specifying MIDI CC in organ mode (as I was talking about above) could be one way, that wouldn't even have to involve new screens or parameters, except maybe just a new System option to turn the feature on or off.


Hmm...but that's not a very elegant solution though. Having to enter TW organ mode in order to set the MIDI CC for a fader is rather counter-intuitive.

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Though if you want to get fancier and have a separate place to enter MIDI CCs in a Setup (which wouldn't require taking a detour through organ mode), that could be cool too.


Yes, this would get my vote too.

The question of which is more elegant from the user's perspective kind of depends on what you want to do: record your internal drawbar (fader) movements to a sequencer (in which case tying the sending of MIDI CC to TW Organ mode is very logical); or use the faders to send CC's to another device (in which case a separate-from-organ approach is more logical). Each method could be used for either purpose, but is more optimum for one than the other. And each has its pros and cons.

In favor of tying it to TW organ mode: For one thing, I think that this method is probably simpler from a programmer's perspective. In TW organ mode, you already have the menus for assigning MIDI CCs to the drawbars, and you already have a directive there that says "when I do X, have the faders control drawbars instead of controlling volume." So a lot of what you need for this to work happens to already be there. What you'd be adding is a Setup option that, when enabled, says "when the faders are controlling drawbar settings, also send out whatever MIDI CC may be assigned to that drawbar." That's all. Right away, you could record your fader-as-drawbar adjustments to your sequencer. There would be no other new user operations to learn, or new interface/screens to for the programmers to create. The "trick" for the user would be that, if you wanted to use the faders for the alternate purpose of sending MIDI CC to control a soft synth or whatever, you'd have to first "silence" the organ (i.e lower fader #1 to zero before hitting SW2 to bring up the organ mode screen), but that's easy enough. Though you would have to live with the fact that, for any Setup where you had this function enabled, you could not use the faders to control a soft synth AND play organ at the same time, since whenever you sent a change to one, you'd be sending a change to the other.

I would agree, if someone's primary purpose was the control of external devices, it would be conceptually "cleaner" to not insist that someone enter TW Organ mode to do it; and that should also address the issue of being able to mix Organ and External Synth without a control for one affecting the other. OTOH, doing it somewhere else may be equally more complicated for the user who actually wants to use the sending of CC to record his drawbar/fader movements! There's one more benefit to to the TW Organ tie-in approach, which I will get back to...

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Though one thing about repurposing organ mode is that it could theoretically give you MIDI CC capability, not just at the four faders, but also at the 4 knobs (and the +/- button), i.e. under all 9 of the existing drawbar controls.


True, but I would be weary about possible conflicts in functionality when reassigning the control knobs +/- buttons, as these already have their own set functions (and assignable in the case of the control knobs).

That kind of gets back to the two different philosophies each being ideal for one purpose and merely okay for the other. If we keep the sending of MIDI CC completely separate from TW Organ mode, you do avoid that potential conflict (and the aforementioned potential conflict if you want to play organ and external sound simultaneously), plus you have a theoretical advantage of being able to have the 4 faders send MIDI CC while the knobs are doing their usual knobby things, or perhaps even have two faders control zone volumes while the two others send MIDI CCs, or whatever combination a user may want. And they wouldn't have to be in TW Organ mode to do it. All good things! But OTOH, if you take this approach, there are only a maximum of four controls available at any one time for recording your drawbar movements, so you're no longer getting the full functionality of the alternate purpose, you can't instantly access and record the movements of all 9 drawbars at the same time, the best you would be able to do is pick four.

So getting back to your concern about possible conflicts in using all 9 controls to send MIDI, if you went with the TW organ mode approach, I think you basically are automatically avoiding that conflict by having the faders, knobs, and buttons only send MIDI CC when they are in the mode (SW2) where they are *already* controlling the 9 drawbar settings. That takes care of the conflict because the knobs are already not doing their normal other knobby things when you're in that mode, and just as importantly, it permits the sending of 9 CCs instead of 4 for pretty much full drawbar access for MIDI sequencing, with a side benefit that you can control 9 parameters of a soft synth instead of 4.

Of course, the very best thing would be to implement BOTH approaches, since each is clearly better for some things. But understanding there's no guarantee of anything like this at all, I'd certainly be happy to see one, either one!

As a related side thought, it would be nice to be able to assign the four or nine CCs (and MIDI channel) on a Setup-by-Setup basis, instead of the current System-wide assignment, so you could call up different Setups that could send different CCs to different external instruments.

As nice a MIDI controller as the MP7 is, these enhancements would put it in another league.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/15/14 05:07 AM
Thank you for your detailed feedback Scott - lots to consider there.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Tritok Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/15/14 06:22 AM
Originally Posted by anotherscott


As nice a MIDI controller as the MP7 is, these enhancements would put it in another league.


+1000 !
Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/16/14 04:06 PM
I just got my new digital piano Mp7 !!
My first impression was very positive.
An instrument well built, attractive design, excellent finish and quality materials,
as usual Kawai.... Very Good!

Originally Posted by voxpops

I think that a software editor would be useful for seeing multiple parameters at a glance, but because the MP7 is so easy to program from the front panel, it's not really necessary.


It 's true, as a first approach seems very easy to program.
But I remain convinced that having different parameters at your fingertips on a video-monitor, I think it helps to get the desired sound, without too scrolling next and back pages.

Now I'll have to study well this new jewel
and you will not get bored if I ask you advice about it

is it true? smile

rds
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/16/14 04:23 PM
Yeah, I understand the appeal of not having to scroll to different screens to edit, but I tend to agree with vox that the MP7 on-board editing interface is strong enough that I don't really miss an editor, where you also trade-off a sense of "immediacy" that you get working directly on the board.

OTOH, I would like a librarian so you could see your entire patch layout at a glance and easily drag (or cut-and-paste) to rearrange the order of things.

Something else that might be nice would be an iPad app that had a button for each of the editing screens (perhaps presented in a tree structure), and you'd be able to click on the one you wanted in order to navigate directly to that screen.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/16/14 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
I would like a librarian so you could see your entire patch layout at a glance and easily drag (or cut-and-paste) to rearrange the order of things.


I agree, but one onboard thing that would make the whole process easier is the ability to scroll through the basic sounds when you're editing and setting up zones etc.
Posted By: Exo Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/16/14 07:12 PM
And it's easier to save/load/compare dozens of different settings with the click of a mouse! smile

I gave up experimenting with the sound engine because it's a very time consuming process. Would prefer the availability of an external program too!
Posted By: Banshee Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/16/14 07:48 PM
Sad news from my MP7...

The first unit I had broke after 4 weeks of playing: the very last white key to the right (c5) suddenly developed a harsh clicking noise, as if the mechanism inside broke or somehow fell of its bearing. Even worse, plugging in the power cord to the rear socked (without connecting it to mains) changed the sound significantly, it got less harsh but still clearly noticable, plugging off again, strange clicks...

I really got worried about that, even if the keys are plastic and therefore non-conductive I get a very uncomfortable feeling about key action which changes its behaviour when you plug in the power cord...

Anyways, I contacted my dealer and they agreed to replace the faulty unit.

Now I received my replacement but what a pity! It shows a faint but noticable transformer hum (it's not really annoying, but in a silent environment you can hear it while you sit in front of the instrument).
But ok, it's sad but does not bug me a lot.

However, now I paid particular attention to all the keys and carefully listened to each of them. It seems that some keys sound slightly differnt, some have very faint scratching noises, some have more pronounced thumping and others have some light clicks. Albeit they feel more or less the same and this is not an issue right now, I have somewhat a bad feeling that this could worsen after some weeks or months with the already bad experience from my first unit.

Together with the newly introduced low-quality tranformer I start to question Kawai's quality control and selection of quality parts...
As I did some quick research here on the forum, I do not seem to be the only one with humming trafos or key action noises...

I really hope that my instrument will not degrade over time, I could live with it if it would stay as it is now. But in case it gets worse I fear I would probably look for another brand even if I really love the sound and features of Kawai, which are exactly what I need. But with poor quality...


By the way, both units are from LOT 147
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/16/14 09:40 PM
Mine hums a little, too, but it doesn't bother me. The pluses far outweigh the minuses for me. It would be nice if it was absolutely perfect, but every DP has its issues, and with the MP7 you're getting one heck of a lot of piano for a very modest price.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 12:45 AM
Originally Posted by Banshee
The first unit I had broke after 4 weeks of playing: the very last white key to the right (c5) suddenly developed a harsh clicking noise, as if the mechanism inside broke or somehow fell of its bearing. Even worse, plugging in the power cord to the rear socked (without connecting it to mains) changed the sound significantly, it got less harsh but still clearly noticable, plugging off again, strange clicks...


Yes, that does sound rather strange. It's rare for mechanism of any key to break, especially one that's seldom played in the extreme bass or treble regions.

Originally Posted by Banshee
Now I received my replacement but what a pity! It shows a faint but noticable transformer hum (it's not really annoying, but in a silent environment you can hear it while you sit in front of the instrument).


I recall another MP7 owner here, lophiomys, also mentioning that the instrument's transformer hummed, however only at his home - the same board was hum-free at the dealer's store, so perhaps power source/quality is a factor? The MP7s I have played (both prototype and production boards) have never hummed...at least, not unless I place my ear directly over the power connector and listen very carefully.

Originally Posted by Banshee
However, now I paid particular attention to all the keys and carefully listened to each of them. It seems that some keys sound slightly differnt, some have very faint scratching noises, some have more pronounced thumping and others have some light clicks. Albeit they feel more or less the same and this is not an issue right now, I have somewhat a bad feeling that this could worsen after some weeks or months with the already bad experience from my first unit.


If the instrument does develop an issue in the future, the dealer will be happy to carry-out any servicing under warranty. However, until such issues occur, my recommendation would be to simply play the instrument and enjoy making music. wink

Originally Posted by Banshee
Together with the newly introduced low-quality tranformer I start to question Kawai's quality control and selection of quality parts...
As I did some quick research here on the forum, I do not seem to be the only one with humming trafos or key action noises...


I can assure you that Kawai's quality control is very high. I actually attend the monthly QC meetings and am always impressed by the attention to detail of my colleagues responsible for overseeing production. They take all fault reports very seriously.

Regarding the transformer, as you may be aware, Kawai does not manufacture transformers, we purchase them from a supplier. And while the vast majority of these parts will be problem free (although I'm not sure it's possible for a transformer to be absolutely silent...), there may occasionally be some pieces that perform a little less efficiently than others.

Originally Posted by Banshee
I really hope that my instrument will not degrade over time, I could live with it if it would stay as it is now. But in case it gets worse I fear I would probably look for another brand even if I really love the sound and features of Kawai, which are exactly what I need.


Again, if you do notice the instrument starting to degrade, you're encouraged to seek assistance from the Kawai dealer. If not, you're encouraged to just enjoy playing the board. wink

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 07:58 AM
Hello,
Just to get things straight:
Now the second MP7 is in my living room, and it does hum,
even though a little bit less than the the first unit.

The humming noise bothers me very much!

My power lines and supply have been tested by a qualified electrician and found absolutely OK.
NO other device hums, when connected to the very same power plug, i.e. various active studio monitors, an RD-500, several HiFi components. It is correct that the MP7 did not noticeably hum in the music store, which caused a lot of unpleasant confusion.

Talking to two electronics engineers about this problem, they are telling me, that this would be just a cheep transformer or less likely insufficient damping of the mounts, and most likely NOT the power supply.
Very helpful would be a transformer specification by Kawai, so it would be less of an adventure to fit a better and more quiet tranformer into the MP7.

A high quality toroidal transformer would cost EUR 35,- incl. VAT for the end user. IMHO that would be easily affordable for Kawai to fit into a hiqh quality digital piano in the first place.

Sorry long rant.
HTH

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 08:42 AM
lophiomys, may I ask if you have raised this matter with Kawai Europe?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 08:47 AM
Yes I did so, in detail, and I did not get any further assistance on the humming problem (for them it is either normal or not reproducible) nor did I get a specification for the built in transformer, so it would be easier to fix it myself.

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 08:52 AM
Okay, I see.

If this is their policy, I am not going to challenge it.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Banshee

It shows a faint but noticable transformer hum (it's not really annoying, but in a silent environment you can hear it while you sit in front of the instrument).


Last night, before reading your replies, I immediately noticed this transformer hum
I play mostly at night

Unfortunately or fortunately,
I have in mind very well the sounds and the feeling
in comparison with my old MP6 (now sold)
who has never made &#8203;&#8203;the slightest buzz

the first impact
I can say that the power of the new DSP is remarkable compared to Mp6

But confused.. in the main sound of the EP which should be the same EP as MP6, there is something strange
It seems as if the envelope is a little different

Do you know anything about it, James ? ...Thank-you

rds
Posted By: Banshee Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 03:45 PM
First of all, James and the others, thank you very much for your replies and your opinions.

In fact, I fully understand you James that you have by far better insight and overview of all the QA measures Kawai does and (of course) you can not state anything contradictory to your employer's policy, for sure...

It's just this strange feeling: the KawaiMP website tells about outstanding quality and no sacrifices wrt. design and parts. But chosing cheap standard transformers which show a variation in production quality (some are noisy while others remain silent) is in my humble opinion questionable.
At least I know that my previous unit was totally silent, I checked for that shortly after my purchase.

It is strange to me anyways, if Kawai would have included a decent switched PSU without transformer but fully solid-state design, there would not be any hum and even they could have reduced the weight by 2 kg or more (wouldn't that be a KILLER selling point?).

But no complains, I like the instrument and enjoy it a lot!

Posted By: bnolsen Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 04:05 PM
Marketing and sales will do and say anything to make their product look good. They will never say: "we chose the best 2nd and 3rd rate parts where appropriate". It's a big problem when the selection of parts is very poor.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by Banshee
It is strange to me anyways, if Kawai would have included a decent switched PSU without transformer but fully solid-state design, there would not be any hum and even they could have reduced the weight by 2 kg or more (wouldn't that be a KILLER selling point?).

I don't know anything about PSU, but it's an interesting question... assuming the better PSU is more expensive, I wonder what the impact on sales would have been if the unit were $100 more but 5 lbs lighter... (assuming that changing the transformer really would create as much weight reduction as you suggest)
Posted By: Banshee Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 04:28 PM
Basically a switched PSU would be significantly cheaper wrt. a conventional transformer, where material cost for copper and steel + several production steps inclusive resin encapsulation are by far more expensive.

The only drawback with switched PSUs is that you need to deal with anti-EMC measures, so you would have to apply some decent filtering behind the circuit. But no black magic, it's the standard for any laptop or PC power supply for years.

However I do not know which decisions have been made in Japan and what the engineers had in their minds when they selected the conventional transformer design. It's conservative, easier to design and might be slightly more reliable, but it has much worse efficiency, is heavy (2 kg for the transformer are an assumption based on the pictures in this thread: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1778344/NEKID%20PICHURES!!%20%28Kawai%20MP10%29.html#Post1778344 ),generates lots of heat and is prone to humming...

Well, I really would like to check how Yamaha and Roland did that with their stage pianos. Just for curiosity... smile
Posted By: lekanout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 08:31 PM
I can tell you after some month there'isnt any humming problem with my CP4 and RD800...
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/17/14 10:15 PM
Originally Posted by IMOL
But confused.. in the main sound of the EP which should be the same EP as MP6, there is something strange
It seems as if the envelope is a little different

Do you know anything about it, James ?


I believe the MP7's EPs are better than the MP6.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Exo Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/18/14 04:58 AM
No hummingproblem with my EU Version MP7 (230V / 50Hz PSU) Also checked some german boards. There are no reports.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/21/14 04:55 AM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by voxpops
I can no longer justify keeping multiple DPs just to satisfy my mood of the day.

So which (if any) are you intending to keep, besides the MP7?

My gigging needs are in flux so I'm not absolutely certain. I may trade in the PX for a board with speakers

I saw on KC that you sold your PX5S. Have you settled on a replacement? Is the MP7 the only 88 you have at the moment?
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/21/14 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
I saw on KC that you sold your PX5S. Have you settled on a replacement? Is the MP7 the only 88 you have at the moment?

What do they say...?

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you."

Oh well, I should feel honored, Scott - you're my first official online stalker! eek wink

Yes, the MP7 is now my only 88. The cull has been swift and brutal. I'm still keeping an eye out for a suitable 88 with speakers. I was tempted by an FP-80 that's just sold for less than $1k on eBay, but it's just too heavy and long. Also, it's possible I may be heading back over the pond next year, and so I'll probably wait until NAMM to see what new offerings there are (if any), and then my personal situation may also be more clear.

Gosh, not looking forward to having to relearn my UK spelling and grammar! Actually, what's worse is that I can't take the MP7 with me - or I'd have to have it converted to 230v 50Hz, (I think all stage pianos should have worldwide compatible transformers). The cost of shipping plus conversion probably means I'd be better off starting again over there.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/21/14 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by anotherscott
I saw on KC that you sold your PX5S. Have you settled on a replacement? Is the MP7 the only 88 you have at the moment?

What do they say...?

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you."

Oh well, I should feel honored, Scott - you're my first official online stalker! eek wink

Well it did pop up right at the top of the KC home page, so I kinda couldn't miss it! I just figured the question was more relevant here than if I had replied to the "for sale" post there. Don't worry, I haven't stalked anyone since my parole. ;-)

Originally Posted by voxpops
Yes, the MP7 is now my only 88. The cull has been swift and brutal.

Yeah, once you have the MP7, it's tempting to want to play it all the time. ;-) But while it feels light for being 46 lbs, it's still not something I'd want to be bringing to every gig.

Meanwhile, I did a count, I own a dozen 88 key keyboards accumulated over the years (13 if you count my acoustic). That's way too many. I'm going to be culling as well. I've already decided I'm keeping 4, selling 6, and the jury is out on the other 2 (including my own PX5S). Like I said in the other thread, it's a disease. The only saving grace there is they are not terribly expensive. In fact, of the dozen, the MP7 is the highest priced of them.

(And yes, that's just the 88s...)
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/22/14 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Thank you for your detailed feedback Scott - lots to consider there.

Thanks. And one small followup... I mentioned being able to assign CC on a setup-by-setup basis instead of as a system function, so that different setups could, for example, control different soft apps. But I also see the benefit to a default System-wide assignment... for example, if you have lots of organ presets, you'd want the same CC's for all of them, and it would be a real nuisance to have to enter the same numbers over and over! So in fact you would want to be able to enter a global default MIDI assignment (i.e. the way it works now)... but it would be good to be able to over-ride those assignments in a particular Setup as well.

Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/22/14 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Don't worry, I haven't stalked anyone since my parole. ;-)


wink
Posted By: Eric Harrison Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/22/14 04:03 AM
Hi everyone. Have had the MP7 on order for a little over a month. Was wondering if some of the delay was connected to this hum and other little things I've been reading about in here. My son got about a years worth of us out of his MP6 before it was stolen from him. When I went to replace it, we learned that the MP7 was out. The MP6 served him well, however it made sense to go with the MP7. Maybe I should have just gone with the heavily discounted MP6,... no? Yes?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/22/14 04:56 AM
Hello Eric,

The current back-order delays in the US are due to one of the vessels carrying a large shipment to Kawai America being delayed. However, I gather that steps are being taken to ensure that the current shipment will have sufficient stock to cover the existing back-orders and a large number of additional orders.

The MP6 was an excellent instrument, however the MP7 is better in ever way - I'm confident that your son will be very happy with the upgrades.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/22/14 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Eric Harrison
Was wondering if some of the delay was connected to this hum and other little things I've been reading about in here.

This is my experience only:

I have had three MP7s. I was a very early purchaser and some of the initial bugs were only just surfacing. Kawai America decided that it would be sensible to see if swapping my machines would produce a different outcome. It was then discovered that most of these (minor) issues were software related, and steps were taken immediately to resolve the issues with OS updates.

Of those three machines, hum was evident in two if I put my ear close to the area housing the power supply. It is possible that the hum might be further mitigated or amplified depending on the surface the MP7 is resting on. However, it is impossible to hear the hum when the instrument is being played. I admit that my hearing is not as acute as it used to be, and a few people have expressed concern about the hum, but I would not regard this as a reason not to purchase the MP7 - it is such a capable and well-designed piano in so many respects. Most audio products produce some background noise (lean over a Roland FP's internal speakers and you'll likely hear some hiss).

As to other issues, as with all computer-related products, there have been some bugs, and a very few are still not quite resolved, but almost all have a workaround, and in normal use you will be unlikely to encounter them, as they are more likely to appear when editing or changing a function. There is one bug that occasionally impacts my setup editing, but I know how to get around it and so it's of little consequence. Sure, it would be nice if it wasn't there, just to make the process more smooth and reduce irritation, but it really isn't a big deal.

We tend to focus on small issues here on the forum, and that's a good thing as it helps people weigh up the pros and cons, and assists manufacturers with feedback from "real world" experience. However, occasionally this laser intensity can cause potential purchasers undue concern as the small issues are magnified in their minds until they become real impediments - often unnecessarily. I would suggest that the MP7, with its great action, beautiful design, as well as excellent sound and DSP engines is one of the top half-dozen stage pianos out there right now, and in the context of that, these residual bugs/flaws are of minuscule importance to most people.

Ho-hum... wink
Posted By: Eric Harrison Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/22/14 02:52 PM
Thanks so much fellas for the feedback. Actually, I've already purchased the MP7 from an online dealer that we've bought our last MP6 from. We've just been waiting for a month for delivery. I could have purchased the MP6 and received it in a matter of days as several online sources had a few remaining in stock. However, we decided to go with the MP7 and wait for the initial week for delivery,... that 1 week grew to almost 5 weeks. So during the wait, we began reading (mainly this forum), and admittedly, began wondering if buying another MP6, which was immediately available AND heavily discounted, would have been the better choice. Especially after reading so many bug reports, particularly the hum. But now after voxpops comments I now totally understand what happens here and can appreciate the reports. Seeing that Kawai actually has eyes-n-ears in here by way of James ain't nothin' but pure confirmation and comfort. I might also add that we didn't jump off of the MP7 even after it was clear we'd be waiting for a while, because of our dealer. After two other digital piano purchases from him, there was a lot of trust there. The good news,... just received an email that the boy's MP7 is being shipped direct to us from the Kawai Warehouse in Carson CA., so it's finally on it's way. Thanks again guys!
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/22/14 04:18 PM
I hope both you and your son enjoy your MP7, Eric. Best deal out there, IMO!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/23/14 01:55 AM
voxpops, thank you for your post.

Eric Harrison, thank you for your post too, and the positive comments. The shipping delays are a headache for all concerned, however we're grateful for everyone's patience while the situation is resolved. It's great to hear that your son's MP7 will be shipped soon, and directly from Kawai America's HQ.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Eric Harrison Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/24/14 01:45 AM
'will be shipped soon',... did you say James? Well it arrived today,... 36 hours after receiving the email announcing their warehouse arrival. Looks like somebody expedited things and got it to me in a hurry. This thing is gorgeous. My sons agrees with you guys 100%,... the MP7 is leaps ahead of his old MP6. He just finished experimenting with the Organ Presets and Modes and I thought Joey had paid us a visit. Went to the fridge to make certain I could support such a visit. To an old jazz musician who knows absolutely nothing about keyboards,... this thing sounds amazing. Hope he's not in for an angry learning curve, I remember his first week or so with the MP6! Pretty entertaining from my chair, I imagine a little frustrating from his chair however.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/24/14 02:00 AM
That's great to hear Eric! Congrats to your son!

As for the learning curve, the MP7 is designed to be pretty intuitive to use right out of the box, however you can delve into the EDIT menus and tweak a lot of settings if desired. I'd also say the interface (and owner's manual) is a lot nicer and easier to understand than the MP6.

Again, thanks for the update...and speaking of which, if he hasn't done so already, I recommend visiting this page and downloading the latest MP7 software update to get the most out of the board.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: fastlanephil Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/25/14 06:18 AM
Hey!

I thought I'd post a rough-in of some musical ideas, recording directly into my DAW with my MP7 piano patch and strings unedited. This is usually how I start something even if it morphs into something quite different using virtual instruments to arrange and lots of editing.

I'll call it The Forgotten Hymn.

Just click on the Box.com link below to give it a listen.


Phil


Box.com
Posted By: Mistaya Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 12:22 AM
Hello all,

Well the 3.5 month wait was worth it and today was my first chance to play the mp7 with a band. Mostly it was great and everyone was happy with the sounds. Sadly, my mono expression pedal didn't work well with the unit. Tried hooking it up in line through the outputs, but didn't get enough volume - so I kept adjusting volume with my third hand. Does anyone have a recommendation on a suitable expression pedal? Would I need a stereo pedal with a TRS plug? This is the first band I've played with so my ignorance is staggering. Something like this? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/boss-fv-500l-stereo-volume-pedal

The other issue was that the sound output of the tonewheel organs was hugely greater than any of the other pre-set sounds - so I couldn't set a base volume to the mixer - is this something fixed with the software update (which I haven't gotten to yet)?

Also, but manual states that tonewheel organ mode can only be accessed in the main zone - but one of the dual organ setups seems to have tonewheel organs as upper and lower (which is good) I'm just wondering how.

Man, I have so many questions, but I'll pace myself. A setup sharing site/thread would be wonderful.

Caroline



Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 05:15 AM
Hello Mistaya, glad to read you are enjoying your new MP7.

To answer your queries:

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Does anyone have a recommendation on a suitable expression pedal?


The Yamaha FC7 is one of the most popular pedals, and works well with the MP7.



Unfortunately, the BOSS/Roland pedals use a slight different wiring specification, and are therefore not recommended for use with the Kawai.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
The other issue was that the sound output of the tonewheel organs was hugely greater than any of the other pre-set sounds


Are you referring to the preset SOUNDs or preset SETUPs?

Where do you typically have the 'MAIN' zone volume fader set?
Is it possible to create a video demonstrating this difference in volume, or just provide step by step instructions for reproducing what you experience?

Originally Posted by Mistaya
...is this something fixed with the software update (which I haven't gotten to yet)?

[quote=Mistaya]Also, but manual states that tonewheel organ mode can only be accessed in the main zone


Correct. The DRAWBAR 1/2/3 sounds use the tonewheel organ mode (which for technical reasons is only possible on the MAIN zone) while the other organ sounds use standard PCM sampling and can be assigned to any zone.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
but one of the dual organ setups seems to have tonewheel organs as upper and lower (which is good) I'm just wondering how.


Do you recall which preset? It's likely that one the upper is a TW organ, while the lower is a sampled (or viceversa).

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Man, I have so many questions, but I'll pace myself.


Keep them coming!

Originally Posted by Mistaya
A setup sharing site/thread would be wonderful.


Agree, however I don't have the time to set something up properly at the moment, so recommend that users post their custom sounds (as text, or with a link to the downloadable 'SOUND'/'SETUP' file) here, or on the Kawai MP facebook page.

In my opinion, a SETUP sharing site will only be successful if users are inspired to contribute their custom sounds, but so far I have only seen a handful of suggestions from MP users.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: lekanout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 12:10 PM
Hi guys:
I've had the chance(after some month waiting for that)yesterday to test the MP7 and MP11 in one of the biggest piano shop in paris.(centre chopin)

I did that during 2 hours.
The guy at the shop was very kind and competent.

I started to play on the MP7.
I owned so many nords and roland/yam/korg..but never owned a kawai.

The keybed is really a joy to play.
I was familiar with it on the first seconds.
I love it!
No problem against my rd800 or my cp4.

After that i've played all the piano sounds:
So good to play,a very natural sound.
A great connection with the keybed.
I would love to play these piano sounds at home.

Here comes the ep presets:
-good,but a little delusion on the rhodes:
Nothing to compare with my cp4 and RD800.
Kawai is less for that.
well,it´s not so bad...but not in the high level like the best of korg/roland/yamaha.. and nord.

When you play kawai piano sounds,you know you're on top in this range of instrument,for the rhodes it´s not the case.
The wurlitzer was quite good,i had a better feeling with it.

A good surprise:
The organ virtual engine is really interesting.I played with the presets,tweaked the drawbars..that's really efficient and good for a stage piano.

I've played some others sounds quickly..but didn't spend a lot of time because keyboards sounds are most important for me than general purpose sounds(quite good but less than the best synthetizers i've had.


Some words about the hardware:
Beautiful!
solid keybed,solid metal...wood panels...ergonomy is very good too.
Far better than my CP4(for example)

My final though is clear:
At this price a superb instrument and a joy to play!
Yes because one of the best performance from kawai is all you have in the box for the price.
Kawai team must be proud with this product.

After spending 2/3 of my time on the MP7,i went on the MP11.
What a beautiful wooden keybed..the connection with the piano sounds is just the better we can feel for this kind of instrument.

Finally,i know there is a little voice in me who appeals a Mp11..
The problem is the weight because i'm a live player,often on stage.
That's not the case with the Mp7,less heavy.

Brrrrr,my brain is on fire.
(the best for the pianist..but as a rhodes lover a little delusion and it's a problem for me...etc etc)
I will think again about all that i let's see!
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by lekanout
Here comes the ep presets:
-good,but a little delusion on the rhodes:
Nothing to compare with my cp4 and RD800.
Kawai is less for that.
well,it´s not so bad...but not in the high level like the best of korg/roland/yamaha.. and nord.

When you play kawai piano sounds,you know you're on top in this range of instrument,for the rhodes it´s not the case.
...
Brrrrr,my brain is on fire.
(the best for the pianist..but as a rhodes lover a little delusion and it's a problem for me...

If you get an opportunity to try it again, check the thread at

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2313379

where I posted some adjustments that make the Rhodes sound much more like on the Korg SV1.
Posted By: lekanout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 02:42 PM
thanks anotherscott.

I was in the topic for the eps,and gave some off my thoughs.

Because the kawai is well done i've tried some tweaking with the rhodes(the different amp,and some drive tweaking)
I didn´t have time to find a great connection as good as my roland and yam.
Because i am an experienced user,i know if i have the kawai at home i will do better.
The kawai isn't bad yes and i know that.

But i can tell you for example the new rhodes from the rd 800(4 types)seems for me instantly at another level.
And a big advantage of the roland is the tone color function:
You can tweak the effects,and change directly one of the 4 types of rhodes without modify your effects settings.
And you can morph the 4 different type of rhodes between us.
There are more parameters too.
Not so many people seems to know the rd800 eps.
Not so many people are speaking about that in forums.

But they are totally new(not available in the 700nx or the last series)and it,s a big step.
It would be interesting for you to try it(if you didn't do that yet)and give us a feedback.

We are not always agree about all the feelings we have playing these keyboard(even if all these contenders are great keyboards,nothing is really bad now)but it's always pleasant to share with kind people like you and the others..

All i' ve said about my kawai try is spontaneous..maybe not completly objective.
Posted By: sirwormsalot Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 02:46 PM
Quick question:

Can you use pianoteq software with Mp7/Mp11?
Posted By: petes1 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by sirwormsalot
Quick question:

Can you use pianoteq software with Mp7/Mp11?


I don't own an MP7 or MP11, but I can answer this quickly and easily -- yes.
PianoTeq and pretty much any software piano will work with any keyboard that supports a midi connection to a computer.
Posted By: Mistaya Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 06:26 PM
Thanks, James.
I'll try the yamaha pedal.

It's the presets that are significantly louder all across the board, but particularly the tonewheel organs. I can tune them down each individually, but we were trying different sounds and setups through the sound system. We'd set the levels using one of the sounds, eg. 3-1-C and then when trying a setup (3-1D) it would then blast through - I'd have to toggle the volume slider down from 1/2 to almost nothing. I guess they are individually adjustable - and I'd adjust my own setup volumes in edit (sound). I'm just wondering why the difference. Playing with headphones I'm usually at 1/3 or less. Zone sliders are around 1/4 to 1/3 depending.

The dual organ mode was rock 1 dual. It worked not too badly for Samba Pa Ti. Is there a list that gives more detail about the presets - what they are built from?- I can see the tonewheel settings when hitting SW2, but don't know what the other organ is. Will try AnotherScott's tweaks for Rhodes and Wurly later today. A very versatile keyboard!

cheers,
Caroline
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 11:44 PM
Mistaya, I will try to check the different organ SETUP volume levels later.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/26/14 11:45 PM
lekanout, thank you for sharing your thoughts about the MP7 and MP11. I'm glad you enjoyed playing these latest instruments.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/27/14 07:05 AM
Mistaya,

I just checked the MP7, alternating between the different drawbar organ SETUPs (e.g. 3-1-C/3-1-D), but did not notice a change in volume.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
We'd set the levels using one of the sounds, eg. 3-1-C and then when trying a setup (3-1D) it would then blast through.


Please remember that SETUPs contain their own, independent volume control. If you adjust the volume of one factory SETUP, then switch to another, there may well be a jump in volume, because the adjustments will not carry over. My suggestion would be to select each SETUP you intend to use, adjust the volume as necessary, then store it back to the memory. You're also obviously free to tweak or create your own SETUPs if desired.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Zone sliders are around 1/4 to 1/3 depending.


Don't forget that, when the tonewheel edit screen is show, the faders will adjust the drawbars only, not the volume of the actually zone. You'll need to press the SW2 button (or EXIT button a couple of times) to return to the main playing screen in order for the zone fader to adjust the zone's volume.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
The dual organ mode was rock 1 dual. It worked not too badly for Samba Pa Ti.


Yes, I tried that too...it's quite a cool sound.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Is there a list that gives more detail about the presets - what they are built from?- I can see the tonewheel settings when hitting SW2, but don't know what the other organ is.


There's no publicly available list, I'm afraid. However, it should be possible to see which sound is assigned to each zone by pressing and holding each F1~F4 button.
Then, if you press the EDIT button, you're able to see which sound is assigned to the current zone by checking the lit LEDs. As for other settings, these can be checked by going through the various EDIT menus.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: lekanout Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/27/14 08:57 AM
Quote
lekanout, thank you for sharing your thoughts about the MP7 and MP11. I'm glad you enjoyed playing these latest instruments.


Thanks for the kinds words james.
In fact i was so surprised by the mp7 price considering all it offers.
There is no doubt it's the best on the market at this price.


Just a confirmation james:
Are all the keyboards sounds (piano/eps)exactly the same between the MP7 and MP11?
Or there is a difference elsewhere?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/27/14 09:13 AM
I believe there are some differences, but the main piano and EP samples are the same.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/27/14 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Mistaya, I will try to check the different organ SETUP volume levels later.

Kind regards,
James
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Hello James
I think you should control not only the various volumes of organs Setup.
There are some default Setups, which have a disproportionate volume level than the other.

In this regard I wanted to ask a question,

how can I adjust the total volume of the SETUP ?
I don't find the function Master Volume (as in Common Parameters of MP6)
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/28/14 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by IMOL
how can I adjust the total volume of the SETUP ?
I don't find the function Master Volume (as in Common Parameters of MP6)


Unfortunately this function is not possible on the MP7.
As you may know, the MP7 shares many specifications with the MP11, which uses the MP10 operation as the base. The MP10 did not feature a SETUP volume function, and as a result neither does the MP11 or MP7.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Mistaya Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/28/14 02:13 AM
Thanks James - I'll adjust the volumes individually. I do know how to toggle SW2 on and off to be able to adjust volume etc. It's been pretty interesting toying with the drawbar settings etc. trying to get at a particular sound.

Ah right - using the F1-F4 buttons to explore the setups - will do.

Going to explore midi tonight - and set up the expression pedal:)

with thanks,
Caroline
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 10/28/14 02:19 AM
Originally Posted by Mistaya
I do know how to toggle SW2 on and off to be able to adjust volume etc.


Sorry for my confusing reply. I meant that you press the SW2 button to toggle between the tonewheel screen and the main playing screen. When on the tonewheel screen, the zone faders affect the drawbars, so you'll need to press the SW2 button to show the main playing screen in order to have the faders adjust the respective zone volumes.

I hope that's a little clearer.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Going to explore midi tonight - and set up the expression pedal:)


Good stuff. Which pedal did you go for in the end?
Ah, don't forget to use the 'EXP Calib.' function in the SYSTEM/Pedal menu to calibrate the expression pedal correctly.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Alan Cyr Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 11/17/14 06:21 AM
Hopefully someone can help me out. Still gigging with a MP 9000 and eagerly went to check out a MP7 the other day. After much product studying and anticipation I was confused and let down what I saw/heard.....I witnessed the kb unpacked from box and I listened through headphones (AKG K240) and also through run into the amp of another Kawai home piano (not sure of model)....the piano sounds out of the box just didn't sound good and not close to the piano sound from the home unit piano I was plugged into....I tried a bunch of eq which hardly helped and only with a fair amount of enhancement effect was it getting a bit better. Granted it wasn't a best amp scenario but after finding some old studio monitors it still wasn't cutting it. During the years I've had to use a 9 band EQ on my MP9000 to free it from a bunch of midrange mud to arrive at a magical tone...I hope all Kawais are not this way. But what really drove me nuts was after selecting a bank and getting a 4 select menu (ABCD) after less than 1/2 second the screen would change to edit screen...is this normal? The operating system was 1.03. The sales guy was clueless, so a disappointing no sale. What am I missing?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 11/17/14 06:50 AM
Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
I listened through headphones (AKG K240) and also through run into the amp of another Kawai home piano (not sure of model)....


Using headphones should be fine, but using the amp of another DP (depending on the instrument) is not ideal, as the Line In sound may not be EQ'd for the speaker system.

Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
Granted it wasn't a best amp scenario but after finding some old studio monitors it still wasn't cutting it.


What kind of sound were you expecting?

Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
During the years I've had to use a 9 band EQ on my MP9000 to free it from a bunch of midrange mud to arrive at a magical tone...


The MP7 definitely sounds much better than the MP9000, however it really depends on what your benchmark is - if you're used to the sound of the MP9000 (especially with heavy EQ), the higher quality MP7 pianos may not be immediately appealing to your ears. I recall a similar story from another MP7 owner who was used to the sound of his much older Roland.

Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
But what really drove me nuts was after selecting a bank and getting a 4 select menu (ABCD) after less than 1/2 second the screen would change to edit screen...is this normal?


If you're describing the main playing screen (with parameters assigned to each of the four knobs), yes. The currently selected sound name is shown at the top of the screen.

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Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
What am I missing?


It may be worth downloading the owner's manual PDF, or reading about the instrument (and listening to the demos etc.) at www.kawaimp.com/mp7

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: PianoManChuck Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 11/17/14 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James

It may be worth downloading the owner's manual PDF, or reading about the instrument (and listening to the demos etc.) at www.kawaimp.com/mp7

The "English" version of the manual on that website is actually all Japanese! The other language selections work fine (ie: French, German, etc)... but not the English selection. You might want to check into that.
Posted By: Alan Cyr Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 11/18/14 06:23 AM
Thanks for your quick response K. James. The kind of sound I was expecting was a piano sound I heard in the videos...it wasn't there. I'm sure my monitoring wasn't the best but EQ couldn't brighten it nearly enough...including headphones. I wonder how much "work" needs to be done to help the pianos "out of the box". Also regretably the screen escape 1/2 second between the time you select a bank and select a program is crazy. Why would this instrument give you so little time to make a selection before it changes screens? Seems like if you wanted to back out you should be able to do it yourself without a time selection clock.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 11/18/14 06:48 AM
Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
The "English" version of the manual on that website is actually all Japanese! The other language selections work fine (ie: French, German, etc)... but not the English selection. You might want to check into that.


Thanks for the heads-up Chuck!

I uploaded a revised PDF not long ago, and may have broken something in the process.
Please give me a moment to double-check all the links.

Cheers,
James
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EDIT: The owner's manual links are now fixed.
We recently moved Kawai Japan's English language pages to a new web server, however the KawaiMP.com still linked to manuals on the old server. Everything should be working now - thanks again for the heads up!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 11/18/14 06:59 AM
Hello Alan, thank you for your reply.

Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
The kind of sound I was expecting was a piano sound I heard in the videos...it wasn't there.


Hmm...I'm afraid I don't know the reason for this.
The videos/audio demos on the KawaiMP.com website and elsewhere are taken directly from the instrument itself. The sound you hear in these demos should obviously be exactly the same as you hear when playing.

Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
Also regretably the screen escape 1/2 second between the time you select a bank and select a program is crazy. Why would this instrument give you so little time to make a selection before it changes screens? Seems like if you wanted to back out you should be able to do it yourself without a time selection clock.


The pop-up shows the currently selected sound, in addition to the other sounds (A, B, C, D) in that bank. The currently selected sound is also shown at the top of the LCD display, and you can also reference the sound selection buttons to check which sound/setup is selected.

Please note that you're not selecting voices from this screen (although this is also possible using the up/down cursor buttons), therefore I don't believe the brief pop-up time should be an issue - it's not something I can recall MP10 customers complaining about, nor am I aware of any complaints from MP11/MP7 customers, up until now.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 11/24/14 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
......... During the years I've had to use a 9 band EQ on my MP9000 to free it from a bunch of midrange mud to arrive at a magical tone...I hope all Kawais are not this way.


??????ehm....Rest assured that the piano sound of Mp7 has nothing to do with Mp9000

Fyi

you can adjust
4-band equaliser (Low Gain, Mid1 Gain, Mid1 Q, Mid1 Freq., Mid2 Gain, Mid2 Q, Mid2 Freq., High Gain)

in addition on Main zone
Efx1 - EQ / Filter with 7-BandEQ
Efx2 free to choose any other filter or effect


and stored in Setup
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/02/14 04:37 PM
Dear Kawai James,

I've played 20+ gigs on the MP7 so far and I'm still loving it more and more every time.

I'd like to ask if there's any news on the possible exchange for .km6 files. It would be great to experiment with SETUPs created by other users.

Best Regards,
Lennert
Posted By: Zippo Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/02/14 05:03 PM
Dear K. James, as owner of a MP7, I must join my voice to Lennert's one.

We really need to have an official (or unofficial) web space, where we could share our sounds and creations.
Many Kawai competitors have chosen this way and some give the possibility to download the new samples too (like Yamaha and Nord for ex.).

In these "apps" times we also need a dedicated app to edit better and faster, like some other jap company have already done smile like Christmas present we expect at least one of those wishes realized smile

I've already made some new preset pianos, that I'm waiting to share with all others Kawai's fans

Thank you for your kind attention.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/03/14 12:12 AM
Zippo, thank you for your post.

I am happy to host user recordings on the 'Kawai MP' Soundcloud page, provide links to download user presets from KawaiMP.com, and you are of course welcome to post any creations on the 'Kawai MP' facebook page.

I also appreciate that some MP users would like a PC/Mac/iOS/Android editor for their board, however this would require a considerable amount of software development. Honestly speaking, I feel the interface of the MPs is intuitive enough to allow easy editing without a separate editor app.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/03/14 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Lennert

I'd like to ask if there's any news on the possible exchange for .km6 files. It would be great to experiment with SETUPs created by other users.


Originally Posted by Zippo

Dear K. James, as owner of a MP7, I must join my voice to Lennert's one.

We really need to have an official (or unofficial) web space, where we could share our sounds and creations.
Many Kawai competitors have chosen this way and some give the possibility to download the new samples too (like Yamaha and Nord for ex.).

In these "apps" times we also need a dedicated app to edit better and faster, like some other jap company have already done smile like Christmas present we expect at least one of those wishes realized smile

I've already made some new preset pianos, that I'm waiting to share with all others Kawai's fans

Thank you for your kind attention.


hi
Also I had written that I'd like a edit software for MP7
It's true that the Mp7 interface is user friendly, but it would be handy to have a lot of video pages in a single glance and use the mouse.

If you want
Here
there are two links to download the Rhodes Setup by Dropbox .km6 file

regards

Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/11/14 11:24 AM
Hi all,

New here to Pianoworld. Came here while searching for information on the MP7 and this thread has been a great help! Have started hanging around the forum a bit now as well grin

Decided I need to upgrade to a new stage piano (from an SV188) as I need a piano that I can also use as a master controller for my laptop rig for band (hence the need for pitch bend and mod wheels which is why the SV1 isn't suitable). I prefer separate pitch bend and mod wheels which kind of narrowed the choices down to Yamaha, Kawai and Casio.

Haven't really looked at the Kawai's much before, but they came up a lot as I searched for a new DP. Really impressed by the specs of the MP7 and comparative cost as well...

Anyways, I sold my SV1 yesterday so I need to get a replacement fairly soon. I've decided on the MP7 as it meets all of my needs and seems to be quite well received by the community.

The Kawai dealer in my city doesn't have the MP7 in stock, but they do have the ES7, so I drove across the city today to visit them and see if I liked the sound and the feel of the keybed in the ES7. Really enjoyed playing the ES7 in the store, really nice feel and connection to the sound. Quite impressed with the sounds themselves as well.

So I asked the store about ordering in an MP7, they checked and found out that they have some coming in next week as part of their normal order.

Well, deposit is down on one of those and I should hopefully be picking up my new MP7 sometime next week!

Very excited cool
Posted By: mabraman Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/11/14 12:12 PM
Though ES7 and MP7 share the same keybed, MP7 has a better sound engine, that you may test on CA/CS series, as well as on an MP-11.
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/11/14 12:24 PM
Yeah, that was the reason I went to test the ES7, to see if I liked the keybed and general sound. Glad to hear that the MP7 should sound even better! The rest of the Kawai gear in the store was the older stock, MP6, MP10 etc. Thanks!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/11/14 11:58 PM
Congrats Stellvia!

Yes, if you enjoyed playing the ES7, I'm sure you'll love the MP7. Same keyboard action, but superior sound quality and far more flexible operation.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/12/14 03:07 AM
Thanks James!

Looking forward to having a DP with a really good action and sound at home as I'm around uprights and concert grands at uni a lot of the time. And it looks like it will cover the MIDI functionality I need to run a laptop rig for my band. Seems like the MP7 will cover a whole bunch of things for me which is great!

Sean
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/18/14 08:33 AM
Ok, a bit of bad news/possible good news.

I called the store today to find out where my MP7 was. They weren't sure what was happening with the shipment and there was a lot of back and forth between people in the store and the store talking to Kawai Australia. Took several hours but they eventually got back to me. They were quite apologetic in explaining that when I placed a deposit on the keyboard they believed there was a shipment on the way to them, but for reasons that the staff member has not been privy to Kawai was unable to fulfill the shipment (possibly due to a shortage of stock) and it will mid-January next year before they would be in stock cry

The store has offered, in the interim, to lend me a suitable replacement instrument until the MP7 arrives, and in this case it will most likely be an MP6 that they have on the floor.

I am quite tempted to do this as I've been quite set on getting the MP7, and the music store is going out of its way to keep me as a customer.

The alternative is a Yamaha CP4 (which I haven't tried) but a music store near my house has one in stock for a $100 more than the Kawai. Now I was more interested in the Kawai because of the build quailty of the case, the interface and the sounds, even though whichever keyboard I get will be used most of the time as a controller for a Laptop rig for my band, and the internal voices would be used mainly for practice in the studio and occasional use at my church.

My question to you: would you wait for the MP7 and use an MP6 in the meantime, or go for the CP4 instead? It's bit of a silly question, I know, as it's all about taste. To me the MP7 seems to be the better built instrument (in terms of a steel case) and I think is a far more attractive instrument even though it's a bit heavier than the Yamaha. The kicker is that a lot of the time I'm just using the instrument as a high quality midi keyboard, but will still be played on it's own right for general practice and composition.

I guess the main factors are build quailty (as it will be gigged with) and keybed feel. I haven't played the CP4 (it was still boxed at the music store) or the MP7, but have played the ES7 which I really enjoyed the action of. I'm coming from an SV1 so either will be a major upgrade, but I'm no purist and will happily play on anything from concert grands to analog synths!
Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/18/14 09:02 AM
Get the MP7 and borrow the MP6. You went through the difficult process of choosing an instrument and actually made a decision! Some of us never get there! If there's anything you don't like about the CP4, you be kicking yourself for not going with your first choice. Borrowing the MP6 sounds like a generous offer. I'd take it.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/18/14 10:22 AM
I'm biased, obviously, but I agree - take the MP6 to tied you over, then get the MP7 when stock arrives in January. The MP6 is a great board, but the MP7 is better on every level...you'll definitely notice the improvements. wink

As much as I like the CP4, I believe the MP7's MIDI controller functionality is superior.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/18/14 10:57 AM
Thanks ando, thanks James, I appreciate the support!

I'm going to go with that option, the Kawai seems like it is the right instrument for me wink

Will visit the store tomorrow to pick up the MP6.
Posted By: Bobby Marshall Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/28/14 05:47 AM
Just purchased an MP7. The power will not come on right away. I push the power button and wait a minute, nothing. I unplug everything then just plug in the power, this worked once or twice. Another time, after unplugging and replugging and trying an other outlet I turned it over to see if I could find the fuse. I could not. Plugged back in and pushed power button, started immediately. I feel like this is user error. What am I doing wrong?

Sounds great. Wonderful instrument once it powers up.
Posted By: Bobby Marshall Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/28/14 07:11 AM
And I did set up for auto off as power button won't turn power off.

so what am I missing? Thanks in advance!
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/28/14 08:47 AM
There are several reports of poor build quality and missing quality assurance for Kawai MP7 / MP11.

Return the MP7 and get another one.
If you bought it in a music store, then test the replacement unit in the store.
Be aware, if you send it in for repair, it might be gone for some time.
Posted By: spanishbuddha Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/28/14 09:03 AM
Sounds like a dodgy power button. Possible return.
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/29/14 12:13 AM
Not sure as I'm still waiting on my MP7, but the first thing I would try is using a different power cord. If that doesn't work I would be contacting the store you bought it from or the Kawai dealer for your country. Good luck!
Posted By: Bobby Marshall Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/29/14 02:23 AM
She is turning on and off perfectly now. Maybe there was an odd bit floating around and that dislodged when I tilted her up. Soon I have to move her to her permanent spot in my son's room. If she still works after that move she will stay but if the issue returns before that back she goes. Fingers crossed!
Posted By: Bobby Marshall Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/29/14 02:29 AM
I did try a different power cord. Not the issue as wasn't working with that one either. Then I move her around and out her back on the stand and used the original cord through the same outlet I started and working perfectly. It is heaven to finally have an excellent DP in the house. Instruments don't make you a better musician, but a better instrument seems to inspire.
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/29/14 12:35 PM
Glad to hear it's working! Hopefully it stays that way. Eagerly awaiting the arrival of mine (though the MP6 I have on loan from the store isn't too bad either)!

Certainly agree with quality instruments inspiring you as you play. Has happened many a time for me smile
Posted By: Bobby Marshall Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/29/14 05:08 PM
Thanks. Hope you don't have to wait much longer!
Posted By: Dwdrummr1 Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/30/14 04:26 AM
I have an MP7 along with a new iMac (Yosemite, Quad Core 3.5 GHz Intel "Core i7", 7200 rpm drive, 24 GB RAM). I have been messing with Midi for the first time since buying the Mac and MP7. I plan on purchasing Logic, but in the meantime have been using GarageBand since it is supplied with the Mac. I also have a Metric Halo ULN-8 as my interface that I have the Midi going into. I am relatively new to piano, as well as using DAWs/recording, but am not new to music and I have a few questions.
1) After playing for a short while, I will get a note or two that sustain on their own. I have noticed this happen specifically with the Steinway Grand sound in Garage Band. The note will continue to sustain as if I was holding down the foot pedal on that note. The problem won't fix itself and I completely have to restart Garage Band/Metric Halo. I haven't tried restarting each of them individually to see if that corrects it; however, turning the piano off does not correct the issue. This problem reoccurs consistently, and each time it happens, it is not always the same note or pair of notes. Has anyone experienced something similar while using MIDI/DAW? I have also not tried connecting directly to the computer via USB.
2) I have also noticed a slight delay while playing. I understand latency issues may occur, and maybe I am being picky, but it is distracting enough to affect my playing. I want to be able to use DAWs/plugins, but playing the piano on its own is much more enjoyable at this point. I am a bit frustrated that there is even a small amount of latency after spending quite a bit of money. I am not certain I provided enough info, and still need to experiment and do more research, but any suggestions are welcome.
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/30/14 05:14 AM
Hi dwdrummr1,

Not sure what might be causing the first issue. Possibly some note commands within Garageband itself. I mainly work within Logic and its a far better platform to use. Please try restarting both Garageband and the Metric Halo individually to see if you can narrow down the issue.

As to problem number 2, I would recommend using a USB cable from the MP7 to the iMac for MIDI rather than using the MIDI ports on the Metric Halo. I believe USB MIDI is faster (not 100% on this), but it certainly removes an intermediate step in the signal chain by going direct to the computer rather than being routed through the interface first.

My main live performance rig is using a DP with USB MIDI controlling sample library pianos in Mainstage and audio running out of a MOTU 828MK3 interface and I don't have any major latency issues running it this way.

Hopefully some of this helps!
Posted By: Frédéric L Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 12/30/14 08:08 AM
Plain MIDI link is a slow link, but the baudrate is enough to exhange an event in 1ms. Then the difference between a direct USB link and the use of a USB/MIDI cable should not be important.
Posted By: Miste Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/02/15 07:35 PM
With regard to 1) it is the only SW glitch I experienced on my MP7 (latest SW available). Just one note started playing with sustain on its own, all others were OK. At the time I did not have anything connected to MIDI but I was using main and sub patch.
It kept doing it even after changing sounds (from brass to piano, electric piano etc), and same after disabling the sub so I thought that it was the keybed but it fixed itself after a power cycle. Never experienced it again, I don't play multiple sounds very often.
Posted By: Bobby Marshall Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/03/15 03:50 AM
Had to call the reseller then call Kawai US today. Hope to get her to an authorized repair center soon. frown
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/05/15 01:25 PM
Good news! Unexpectedly received a call from the music store today to let me know my MP7 had arrived! As I wasn't expecting it to arrive for another couple of weeks it was a very nice surprise indeed!

Picked it up and returned the MP6 I had borrowed and had a good play on it after setting it up this afternoon.

A very happy man am I! smile

As James predicted, the quality (both sound and feel) change from the MP6 to the MP7 was immediately noticeable and massive! The MP7 feels even better than the MP6 and sounds much better as well. From the short time I've spent playing it, I'm really happy that I went with the MP7 over the CP4 (which I got a chance to play the other week). I also much prefer the look of the MP7 to the MP6 (and CP4), it's a very handsome instrument indeed!

Special mention to the Tenor Sax Growl and Overblown Flute patches, very cool sounds that I've not heard before in a stage piano or workstation.
Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/05/15 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by Stellvia
Good news! Unexpectedly received a call from the music store today to let me know my MP7 had arrived! As I wasn't expecting it to arrive for another couple of weeks it was a very nice surprise indeed!

Picked it up and returned the MP6 I had borrowed and had a good play on it after setting it up this afternoon.

A very happy man am I! smile

As James predicted, the quality (both sound and feel) change from the MP6 to the MP7 was immediately noticeable and massive! The MP7 feels even better than the MP6 and sounds much better as well. From the short time I've spent playing it, I'm really happy that I went with the MP7 over the CP4 (which I got a chance to play the other week). I also much prefer the look of the MP7 to the MP6 (and CP4), it's a very handsome instrument indeed!

Special mention to the Tenor Sax Growl and Overblown Flute patches, very cool sounds that I've not heard before in a stage piano or workstation.


Nice! I've been pondering whether to get a MP7 myself. I have never had the chance to spend a decent amount of time on one to get an idea of its pianistic abilities. Does it get tiring to play serious piano pieces on it? I'm hesitant to spend too much money, but I'm wondering whether I should be getting the MP11 just for the action. I don't want to mess up my piano technique by playing too long on an action that is more work. What are your thoughts on this, Stellvia? I love the variety of sounds on the MP7 - that's a real plus over the MP11.
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/05/15 02:44 PM
Hey ando,

I don't do a huge amount of classical playing these days (I'm a composer by profession, grew up learning classical piano) and a lot of what I play/write falls into the prog rock genres smile

The action in the MP7 is quite nice, good amount of weight to it, but I haven't played it long enough to find out if it gets fatiguing. The stuff I do play is fairly energetic and I didn't have too much problems with the MP6 while I had it. It's a big step up from the Korg SV1 I previously had, and as I don't get to practice on acoustics as much as I'd like, I'm a little out of practice on a decent weighted instrument. The MP7 does feel great under the fingers, much more piano like in its response than my previous instruments (and the main reason I upgraded).

I haven't played the MP11 (no one has them in stock and my MP7 was the sole one that came to the store), but I had a quick feel of the MP10 they had which has a similar action. To me, the actions between the MP7 and the MP11/10 feel quite different (as they should), the MP10 being maybe a shade lighter (though not by much), but the pivot of the action feels different to me. Quite hard to describe, so definitely worth trying out in person if you can.

Onboard sounds on the MP7 sound pretty good, however, a lot of the time I'll be using the MP7 as controller for a laptop Mainstage rig (with Ravenscroft and Alicia Keys pianos) so I wasn't super concerned about the quality. That being said, the sounds of the MP series are definitely up there with the other big manufacturers. Perfectly fine for everyday practicing and piano engine is quite tweakable from having a quick play. The MP11 is mainly missing the tonewheel engine and the variety of extra sounds, and is quite a bit heavier, which ruled it our for me as I need my piano to be portable for band practices and gigs.

Hope this helps!
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/05/15 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Stellvia
To me, the actions between the MP7 and the MP11/10 feel quite different (as they should), the MP10 being maybe a shade lighter (though not by much)

To me, the MP7 action feels much lighter than the MP10. (I haven't played the MP11, but from what I've read here, I expect it would feel lighter than the MP10.)
Posted By: ando Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/05/15 03:21 PM
Thanks Stellvia, that's very helpful information. I guess I need to find an opportunity to sit down and bash away at the MP7 for an hour or so - that should give me an idea of whether it will get tiring. I'm also interested in the controller capabilities of the MP7, so in that respect, I really hope I do like the action. Did you get a good price on yours? I'm a prog-rocker too, btw!
Cheers.
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/05/15 03:32 PM
If you are really going for "pianistic" practice, I'd go with the MP11, CA65 or CLP-575
- or directly for a proper accoustic.

I have been practicing with the MP7 at an intermediate level for 6 months now and start to feel its limitations,
e.g. some clicky noise is getting louder slowly. Probably it needs some lubrication.
Nevertheless the RH2 keyboard action is still a good one.

Stelliva,
Which monitor speakers or headphones are you using with your MP7?

Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/05/15 04:23 PM
No worries ando!

Keyboard feel is a pretty subjective thing, each to their own! I'm pretty used to switching between synth, organ and piano keybeds, but I appreciate a good piano as much as any other player. The MP7 is meant to be pretty good controller wise, though most of the control for me is done by Mainstage. Got mine for $1995AUD, my store was happy to match a sale price from a store over east, which was rather nice them, and it's a heck of a lot of keyboard for 2K (this is from someone who bought a Moog Voyager last year)! smile Wicked, Australia needs more prog rock keyboard players, and proggers in general!!!

lophiyomys -

Using EMES Pink TV's and Yamaha HS-80's for monitors, and a really nice new pair of Yamaha MT-220 headphones.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/06/15 02:30 AM
Stellvia, glad to hear that you've received your MP7 early, and that you're enjoying the new board.

Keep your eyes peeled for a new software update, which I hope to be able to upload before the end of the week (fingers crossed).

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/08/15 12:48 PM
Thanks James! What's in the update if I may ask?

So, after few days use (recording keyboards for my bands EP at the moment and I'm using the MP7 as the main MIDI controller) I must say I'm very happy with the MP7, it feels just right under my fingers! Looking forward to lots more playing and writing with it!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/08/15 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Stellvia
What's in the update if I may ask?


A handful of bugfixes, some functionality changes, usability improvements, and much faster USB handling. It's all good. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: mixaudio Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/08/15 10:15 PM
Hello everyone, I found this forum while looking for MP7 details and experiences from actual users. As you might guess or notice, this is my very first post.

I’ve owned and played a Kawai MP5 since late 2007. Great and satisfying instrument, yet I reached that point of craving for some improvement. So over the last couple of years I went thru this process of purchasing and testing (yep, most of these won’t be stocked at the local music store)…

…a Roland RD700NX: nice overall, but complicated menus/functions, too heavy to carry around, and then some strange and I’d hear these unpleasant harshness in the middle range keys of ac piano patches (not curable with EQ) . Also, the material on the panel seemed to favor fingerprints or greasy spots showing around knobs, buttons and controls…

…then a Yamaha MOXF8: pretty convenient weight to carry around, but bulky, and soon I realized the sounds and key action were not really a significant "step up" from MP5…

…then a Yamaha CP4: great weight/size to carry around; surprisingly this wouldn’t compromise it's pleasant key action. However, I felt that the main ac piano sound was pretty much the only one that appealed to my ears. Then, I like creating splits/layers where some of the piano notes overlap a few of the bass notes and only a certain range of strings/pad notes overlap the piano, but the CP4 won’t allow you to do this type of layering/splitting. Besides, it plays 3 parts only, so a layer/split of Bass + AP + EP + Pad/Strings wouldn’t be possible.

…then a Nord Stage 2 HA88! Yep, decided to take the NS2 plunge about a year ago. I’ve got to admit the NS2 beats the previous DPs I tested with superior and more pleasing samples, articulations, FX (like pedal noise, string res, etc.) plus all the other bells and whistles in the organ and synth sections, dedicated knobs, and of course the advantage of downloading any sound from Nord’s online library for free. BTW, a lot of users seem to swear by the Fazioli being the best in the library, but I still find the Grand Imperial Boesendorfer to be the most pleasant, full bodied and versatile. The XL version sounds even better than the “Large” version that comes loaded from factory …however, I had to delete a few “less favorite” piano samples to make room and this would be one of my issues as the amount of memory from factory (not expandable) seems limited considering the average size of a good ac piano sample.

Well, past the first impression of these samples striking me as full bodied, lush, beautiful, realistic, with a nice top and low end, but soon I started realizing there was a missing connection with the key action, dynamics, expression. My ears started getting tired of hitting so many bright and loud notes when I was trying to play with not so much energy. So, basically, despite the sound/sample quality, it’s been hard to sit and play and feel the desire to keep playing it. Actually, I'm offering it now on Craigslist (full package also including Nord Triple Pedal, Wide Music Stand and hard case) http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/msg/4793362529.html

Then, I found that there was a newer incarnation in Kawai's MP family and started following this thread, thinking maybe I should have waited a bit longer and stayed with Kawai for my next upgrade/purchase.

Well, an MP7 was delivered at my door about a week ago and I can just say I couldn’t be more pleased!

Really nice step up from my MP5… both sonically, cosmetically, and in the key action and user interface departments. Kudos to its designers on the user interface improvements over the MP5!

So far I’ve spent more time with the four patches A, B, C and D on Bank 1-1, and each of this ac pianos has its own personality. I don’t feel like with other keyboards where piano patch #1 is the most impressive and the rest are not as full and nice.

Editable ac piano parameters in the “sound” and “virtual technician” sections make a lot of sense and I feel engaged to tweak and customize. Part of my dislike with the Roland RD700NX was that there were a bunch of ac piano parameters that I wouldn’t dare to modify just because they were kind of hard to understand, and then Nord Stage 2 is the opposite, barely anything to customize in the ac piano section.

I didn’t mean to write an extensive review really, so I just want to say that in my humble opinion (and in my ears and hands) Kawai is hitting a home run with the MP7.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/09/15 12:29 AM
Thank you for your positive feedback mixaudio!

I'll certainly pass on your comments to the MP development team.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/16/15 12:28 PM
Hello everyone, UK MP7 user
I almost bought a Casio PX5S because of the fantastic casio user group headed by Mike Martin of Casio. They have provided loads of new programs professionally done and offer good support.

Is there a programmer at Kawai who could offer some further expansion packs for download, and a PC editor?
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/16/15 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
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Is there a programmer at Kawai who could offer some further expansion packs for download, and a PC editor?


I don't think the Kawai MP7 can handle expansion packs. The USB socket is for saving SETUPs, recording, loading firmware updates and restoring settings for SETUPs.

In my opinion, it doesn't even need those expansion packs. The built-in sounds are great and there's a lot of ways to edit them. You can also use four layers of (different) sounds. Last rehearsal, our guitarist and I had some fun on the MP7 with him playing drums in the lower section and me doing a quickly arranged synth sound in the middle section. See video: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=816402828416010

What could be a great way to have some sort of 'expansion packs' for the MP7 is a place to easily share and download custom setups created by users. I shared a SETUP couple months back in the forums:
Originally Posted by Lennert
Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JSXCfGWjqA
Recorded sample: https://soundcloud.com/zagny/mp7-narcotic-1/
KM6 download: https://app.box.com/s/vmj96ak2vh2k5flj6lq0
Instructions: for the fade-in/crescendo at the beginning, use an expression pedal from all the way up to all the way down.


Anyway, I hope you enjoy your MP7 as much as I do. Keep exploring and you'll eventually find what you're looking for. (though I agree a PC Editor would make the job easier and faster). I have decided to buy a second MP7 later this year so I can use one at my apartment (no elevator) and the other one for gigging. Thanks to the USB port, I can easily synchronize SETUPs.

Cheers,
Lennert
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/16/15 11:01 PM
Sinclairgsport, welcome to the forum and congrats on the purchase of your MP7.

To answer your queries, there is no PC editor for the MP7, partly because we believe the immediacy of the user interface allows fast, direct editing.

As for expansion packs, the MP7 allows custom SOUND and SETUP files to be loaded from USB, which (like the Casio) adjust the instrument's existing 256 sounds - it is not possible to load new samples into memory in a similar way to that of a Nord for example.

Enjoy your new MP7 - it's an incredibly powerful, flexible board!

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/17/15 10:10 AM
Hello everyone, I apologise for my mis-use of the word expansion packs, I really meant the expansion of set ups etc by users or Kawai themselves issuing new file set ups via pc and usb. Casio Px5s have a great one to use as an example.

Anycase I bought mp7 because of quality and realtime control, but that is not to say we cant have more set ups

rgds Julian
Posted By: Chouca Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/17/15 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
Hello everyone, UK MP7 user
I almost bought a Casio PX5S because of the fantastic casio user group headed by Mike Martin of Casio.


I bought a PX-5S to be used with the band (got a MP7 at home) and the PX-5S support, forum AND download section is fantastic. I wasn´t convinced by the standard organs sounds in the PX5, but found great drawbar sounds at the PX5 site.

Yes we need something similar for the MP7!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/18/15 12:54 AM
I expect the PX-5S community is larger than the MP7 community, partly due to the lower price of the Casio.

I appreciate that MP7 (and MP11) users wish to have a dedicated forum and file exchange site, however it requires a considerable amount of work to establish, and I'm still not convinced there is a large enough community...yet.

Perhaps I should set-up an online pole to gauge the level of interest?

It's something of a chicken and egg scenario. Users will not create content to share if there's no means to share it, but in order to establish a means to share used content, there has to be enough existing to warrant its establishment.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/18/15 07:55 AM
It seems that Kawai is not taking the entrepreneurial venture and not providing the budget nor resources to nurture the growth of a MP7 community.

The equivalent would be, that you don't water a baby plant, because one cannot be 100% sure, if the plant would prosper in the end - or someone knows already, that the plant is doomed?

Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/18/15 09:33 AM
The important point is that in respect of the PX5S site the group is lead by Casio's Mike Martin, and Casio themselves as well as users have produced loads of set ups, sounds etc.
So my question is, with all Kawai resources could they not produce an additional new 256 set up file for the MP7?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/18/15 11:56 AM
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
So my question is, with all Kawai resources could they not produce an additional new 256 set up file for the MP7?


The individuals responsible for working on the MP7/MP11 are now assigned to other projects. I'm sure many of them would love to continue developing sounds and setups for these instruments, but the fact is, they're busy with other tasks. The only exception is the software side, which continues to be improved years after the models are released.

To be honest, it's rare that you find companies continuing to develop products after they've shipped. The PX-5S is special in this regard, and Mike Martin undoubtedly spent many hours of his own time (often in hotel rooms, while away on business, I gather...) to ensure that the instrument became a cult hit.

Now, I'm not comparing myself to Mike (although it's true that we both represent the public face of our respective companies), however I'm afraid I don't have the kind of time, experience, nor skill to work on developing new sounds and setups at home - truth be told, I don't even have an MP7 in my apartment. Once my work on the owner's manuals and KawaiMP.com website was complete, the prototypes I used at my office were returned to R&D.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/18/15 03:57 PM
Guys, let's not demand a sharing community or 256 new setups from Kawai. As James says, they're doing a great job with software updates. A community would be a bonus, but it was not in the package when we bought the instrument.

I'm thrilled for the new update though.
Posted By: PianoManChuck Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/18/15 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
I expect the PX-5S community is larger than the MP7 community, partly due to the lower price of the Casio.

I appreciate that MP7 (and MP11) users wish to have a dedicated forum and file exchange site, however it requires a considerable amount of work to establish, and I'm still not convinced there is a large enough community...yet.

Perhaps I should set-up an online pole to gauge the level of interest?

It's something of a chicken and egg scenario. Users will not create content to share if there's no means to share it, but in order to establish a means to share used content, there has to be enough existing to warrant its establishment.

Cheers,
James
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I, for one, feel that James is doing an outstanding job representing Kawai on this public forum! Try to get that kind of support from some of the much larger manufacturers (although Rich Formidoni or Dan at Korg have been known to step in and save the day at the Korg forums from time to time).

Remember, none of the Kawai series offer basic waveform editing (sine, square, sawtooth, etc) - that's more of a synth thing (ie: the reason you have Mike Martin of Casio developing new sounds)... although one could certainly modify/tweak the sounds already built in to specific Kawai Models (MP and CA series) to sound 'different'.

As James pointed out, a less expensive product (PX-5S) at under $1k street price will gather a much, much larger following (and a different type of musician) than those buying the MP / CA series.

I'd be interested in the results of an online poll, but that will only be representative of the users on this forum. I tend to think the majority of users don't even know about this forum!
Posted By: PatrickBl Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/18/15 06:36 PM
A poll would be a good idea. I'd be a resounding "yes!".

Patrick
Posted By: spanishbuddha Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/18/15 07:51 PM
I'm no longer a Kawai user but I don't see why users/owners can't just do this themselves. Facebook pages are free, and easy to set up. Just post links here and on the musicplayer keyboard forum and off you go.
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 07:27 AM
Hello Stellvia, Like you, I had been awaiting a MP7 to come into Perth, and I heard about you getting one early in January 2015, which was earlier than the expected delivery date. There were actually 2 units that arrived, so I went and checked out the other one. Unfortunately, it had a few minor issues, so I didn't buy it at the time, however those issues have since been resolved. I will await the shipment that we had originally been awaiting, that is due in later January. I am glad that you are happy with your MP7. It is also good to see that James of Kawai has indicated that there will be a further firmware update coming. Kawai Australia and Kawai Japan have been very helpful in working though solutions and answers to my questions. The ongoing commitment from Kawai is reassuring. So, hopefully I will soon join the ranks of MP7 owners, which in Perth, at this stage are few in number. thumb

Originally Posted by Stellvia
Good news! Unexpectedly received a call from the music store today to let me know my MP7 had arrived! As I wasn't expecting it to arrive for another couple of weeks it was a very nice surprise indeed!

Picked it up and returned the MP6 I had borrowed and had a good play on it after setting it up this afternoon.

A very happy man am I! smile

As James predicted, the quality (both sound and feel) change from the MP6 to the MP7 was immediately noticeable and massive! The MP7 feels even better than the MP6 and sounds much better as well. From the short time I've spent playing it, I'm really happy that I went with the MP7 over the CP4 (which I got a chance to play the other week). I also much prefer the look of the MP7 to the MP6 (and CP4), it's a very handsome instrument indeed!

Special mention to the Tenor Sax Growl and Overblown Flute patches, very cool sounds that I've not heard before in a stage piano or workstation.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 07:45 AM
Hello Alan, welcome to the forum and congrats on the purchase of your MP7!

I gather from a colleague that one of the issues with the MP7s you tested was related to the wrong pedal being connected - was this indeed the case?

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 08:36 AM
The MP7 will transmit realtime clock commands using the group of buttons for recorder when a zone is in external mode.
My question is, if you have a set up using a 4 zone mix of int. and ext. zones will the start stop command still work, or do you have to use one zone dedicated to ext. only.
Reason for my question, I have chance to buy Yamaha QY70 backing sequencer which can be used to provide realtime backing rytham and bass inversions when playing fingered chords on a left hand key zone
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 10:04 AM
Hi James, On Friday 16/1/2015, after Kawai Japan asked the Product Manager at Kawai Australia (who I had been liaising with) what items were connected to the MP7 that presented with some randomly changing values on 6 January...the following conclusion was arrived at:
* V1.05 of the firmware was supposed to have fixed the known randomly changing values issue.
* The MP7 I tried definitely had V1.05 installed.
* The Kawai retailer had connected a generic brand sustain pedal to the Damper input of the MP7.
* The values would alter randomly regardless of whether I was playing the keyboard.
* Kawai Japan technicians say that only the supplied F-10H Kawai sustain pedal should be connected to the Damper input on the MP7. This does not appear to be mentioned in the instruction manual.
* To use a generic sustain pedal or other named brand...i.e Yamaha, Roland etc with a MP7 requires you to plug it into the "Soft((FSW)" input and editing the [C]L.Assign parameter to "Damper".
* It was also explained from a technical point of view why certain EXP controller pedals are not compatible with the MP7...i.e. Roland EV-5 , and some suggestions were given as to which pedals are known to be compatible.

I understand from a post you made in this forum in early January, that MP7 owners should be on the lookout for another firmware update. I understand this update is also designed to help improve the previously reported "jittery controls" phenomenon, which has also been mentioned in this forum.

James, your congratulations are slightly premature, because I am still awaiting the long awaited main shipment of MP7s into Perth West Australia, supposedly before the end of January. I am on standby to go and get one as soon as they arrive.

What I can confidently say in the meantime, is that the connectivity between the keys and the sounds is excellent, and the MP7 not only looks awesome and is well built, but has many very usable features. From what I heard on 6 January when I played the unit that had the minor fault, the sounds are excellent. I may do a review once I become the owner of one of these excellent machines. [Although I am still awaiting my own MP7, I did recommend the MP7 to my niece who lives on the East Coast, and helped her buy one about 2 months ago...and she loves it!]

I appreciate the apparent ongoing commitment Kawai has to product improvement and customer satisfaction. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Alan

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Alan, welcome to the forum and congrats on the purchase of your MP7!

I gather from a colleague that one of the issues with the MP7s you tested was related to the wrong pedal being connected - was this indeed the case?

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 10:51 AM
Hey Alan,

Great to hear another Perth person is getting an MP7, it's a great instrument smile I gather the 2nd unit was from Zenith's? They actually called me when they had the issues with the 2nd MP7 (mine has been perfect so far, fingers crossed), sorted out the question about pitch bend, and they mentioned the jittery controls, which I had heard of before and suggested they call Kawai Australia to sort it out, which sounds like they have! Both Kawai (James!) and the store were great in getting me sorted out with mine, no regrets here! Oh, and the store should be able to do a good price on the MP7 if you ask nicely! smile

Sean
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 11:26 AM
Thanks Sean, I am so glad that the unit you took delivery of, had no issues. Like you, I had been stoked to hear that Zenith had an early shipment...but unfortunately the unit I checked out had a LCD screen that wasn't straight, so that put me off a bit (but is now fixed), however the biggest concern was the randomly jumping values. That very day, I spent 3 hours at the shop, and Jamie tried to contact you...mainly to check about the lack of pitch bend on the acoustic pianos and the drawbar organs. With some help from Mark at Kawai Australia, we later found that the pitch bend could be switched on for those sounds on an individual basis if necessary. My niece has had an MP7 in Melbourne for 2 months and has had no problems. I have long been a diehard Roland fan, and although I am not knocking the Roland RD800, I am totally sold on the Kawai MP7. I had been tempted to buy a Yamaha CP4, but again decided to hold out and await the MP7.

It is comforting to know that I will not be the only person in Perth to own a MP7 (when it arrives). Happy to confer with you anytime.

I did discuss purchase price with Zenith on the day, and you are correct about their willingness to assist in that regard in a positive manner. As you know, there are 2 Eastern States sellers selling for the price you reportedly paid, and what my niece paid.

Kind regards, Alan

Originally Posted by Stellvia
Hey Alan,

Great to hear another Perth person is getting an MP7, it's a great instrument smile I gather the 2nd unit was from Zenith's? They actually called me when they had the issues with the 2nd MP7 (mine has been perfect so far, fingers crossed), sorted out the question about pitch bend, and they mentioned the jittery controls, which I had heard of before and suggested they call Kawai Australia to sort it out, which sounds like they have! Both Kawai (James!) and the store were great in getting me sorted out with mine, no regrets here! Oh, and the store should be able to do a good price on the MP7 if you ask nicely! smile

Sean
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 12:18 PM
No worries Alan. Yeah, the pitch bend issue didn't surprise me as I had already read the manual and knew it could be turned off on an individual basis anyway, plus I hadn't actually checked that the pitch bend was used on piano because it never occurred to me! smile Made sure they were working on the synths sounds so I didn't give it a second thought! When Jamie mentioned the screen on the one he had was out of alignment I quickly checked mine and was relieved to find it was normal. I'm a bit paranoid about small issues with new gear (and have had enough issues in the past to warrant the paranoia) so I'm happy that it's smooth sailing at the moment. I'm mainly using the MP7 as a controller for Mainstage for my band (and it is awesome to have such a nice keybed to play on at last!), but it is just as nice to practice on by itself as well. The interface is nicely laid out and reasonably intuitive which is a nice change from some of my previous boards.

I was tempted by the CP4 as well, but the postive reviews of the MP7, plus the fact it was made out of steel and wood as opposed to plastic kept me on the right path (and it looks gorgeous with my Numa Organ 2 with custom jarrah end caps smile ). I play an RD-300NX at church so I'm familiar with the Roland range, but actually needed separate pitch bend and mod wheels so that ruled out the RD-800. Anyhow, the MP7 is a very nice upgrade from my old Korg SV1.

Always happy to talk gear!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 12:25 PM
Hello Alan, thank you for your post, and for clarifying the situation. I'm glad to hear that Mark at Kawai Australia and the chaps here at Kawai Japan were able answer your queries and explain why the store's MP7 was not functioning as expected.

Regarding the correct pedal corrections, I believe this topic is covered in the owner's manual on page 17:

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Anyway, fingers crossed you're able to receive your instrument soon!

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 12:29 PM
Sean, good to hear you're enjoying your MP7 too.

Any chance of some pics of the MP7 with your custom-capped Numa Organ 2?

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 12:31 PM
Thanks Sean, I am sure you have made just the right decision. I am not really much of a tech head, so never connect my gear to a computer...I just play live. There is a Roland RD700NX at a church I sometimes attend, but I have never really been all that keen on it. I actually prefer the previous GX model. The MP7 will be my first ever digital 88 note weighted key stage piano. I am sure it will fit the bill perfectly. I have a friend who recently bought a new Yamaha CP4. It has some nice sounds and feels ok on the keys, but is more expensive than a MP7 and doesn't have all the features I'd like...but I am not knocking it. Certainly the MP7 looks aesthetically pleasing and strong. I must confess, I haven't been playing keys for a long time, as I have been playing electronic drums in one worship band and bass guitar in another, and I occasionally dabble on my electric and acoustic guitars, but I always find I am most inspired to be creative when I am playing a good keyboard...and my short time trying out the MP7 2 weeks ago cemented my resolve to get one. I am so glad yours didn't have issues. I've been burnt badly with faulty brand new gear in the past, so I am a bit paranoid like you. thumb
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 01:14 PM
Here ya go James! cool

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Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 01:17 PM
Hope it all works out for ya nice and soon Alan! A good instrument makes a huge difference with creativity smile
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by Stellvia
Here ya go James! cool


Wow, I have to say that is pretty nice. wink

Great setup! wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 01:38 PM
Thanks James!

Just added a Warm Audio WA76 compressor to fill out the rack, pretty happy with the whole setup! At home the setup also includes my Moog Voyager, also black and made out of steel and wood so there's a nice synergy going on between the three keyboards. cool

Panels on the Numa were made by my dad and I, using Jarrah (used the original end panels as templates) and finished with a few coats of danish oil. Adds a nice touch of class above the orginal black end panels.
Posted By: IMOL Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/19/15 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James

Keep your eyes peeled for a new software update, which I hope to be able to upload before the end of the week (fingers crossed).

Cheers,
James
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Hi James

I hope that with the next update software we can improve the half damper pedal action.
I set the half damper parameter to max (10) but it still sustains too early.

In order for the pedal to have no effect, the foot needs to be completely above (no contact).

then works almost like a ON-OFF pedal.

rds
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/20/15 12:38 AM
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
The MP7 will transmit realtime clock commands using the group of buttons for recorder when a zone is in external mode.
My question is, if you have a set up using a 4 zone mix of int. and ext. zones will the start stop command still work, or do you have to use one zone dedicated to ext. only.
Reason for my question, I have chance to buy Yamaha QY70 backing sequencer which can be used to provide realtime backing rytham and bass inversions when playing fingered chords on a left hand key zone


Sinclairgsport, the MMC Start/Stop command will still work, even if all zones are set to INT, however the MMC page of the EDIT menu will be hidden.

Please note however that the MP7 only transmits MMC and real-time commands (e.g. start/stop/continue etc.). The MIDI clock is not transmitted.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/20/15 08:09 AM
MP7 realtime commands,
Thk you James for your informed reply, its good to know a guy like you
Posted By: OneWatt Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/21/15 06:00 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
... Regarding the correct pedal corrections, I believe this topic is covered in the owner's manual on page 17...


Kawai James - Greetings! I'm a fan of your contributions here, which helped me decide the MP7 was the way to go for a home studio piano/controller major upgrade.

Perhaps I misunderstood but I got the impression you were suggesting that the manual specifies that only Kawai pedals should be used? If so...

It would seem the MP7's setup ability to reverse individual pedal polarity is a strong indication Kawai fully expected owners to be able to use a range of non-Kawai pedals.

In fact, I'm using a 3-pedal unit from another manufacturer (which works perfectly with both a PX-5S a Studiologic 88 Fatar keybed, including sostenuo function on both) but on the MP7 I can't get the sostenuto to work properly (i.e., it triggers backwards; functionality is reversed no matter how I try to turn things around). Having said this, sostenuto isn't a deal breaker for me, so I'm not complaining(!)

Moreover, I've tried to find where I might buy a genuine Kawai brand F30 but I can't even locate one available for sale on the internet to see the pricing. So using a Kawai brand F30 isn't even an option at this time.

Anyhow, I just wanted to clarify that using non-Kawai pedals seems to be fairly common and Kawai's firmware designers appear to be embracing this aftermarket reality.

Special thanks to you again for your considerable support here!

- OneWatt
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/21/15 08:08 AM
Hello OneWatt, welcome to the forum and congratulations on the purchase of your MP7 (great price too, might I add...).

As you note, the MP7 (and MP11) allows the user to select the polarity of the pedal inputs, helping to improve compatibility with different manufacture's pedal units.

However, we obviously recommend using the pedal units provided with the instrument, i.e. the F-10H in the case of the MP7, and the F-30 in the case of the MP11.

Originally Posted by OneWatt
In fact, I'm using a 3-pedal unit from another manufacturer (which works perfectly with both a PX-5S a Studiologic 88 Fatar keybed, including sostenuo function on both) but on the MP7 I can't get the sostenuto to work properly (i.e., it triggers backwards; functionality is reversed no matter how I try to turn things around).


May I ask which pedal unit you are using (does it have three 1/4" plugs?), and how you are connecting it to the MP7?

Originally Posted by OneWatt
Moreover, I've tried to find where I might buy a genuine Kawai brand F30 but I can't even locate one available for sale on the internet to see the pricing.


As explained in the owner's manual:

* For more information about purchasing the F-30 triple pedal accessory, please contact your local Kawai distributor.

...MP11/MP7 dealers should also stock the F-30, for example Kraft.

Originally Posted by OneWatt
Anyhow, I just wanted to clarify that using non-Kawai pedals seems to be fairly common and Kawai's firmware designers appear to be embracing this aftermarket reality.


Well, I'm not sure how common it is (I suspect the majority of MP7 and MP11 owners use the provided F-10H and F-30 pedal units respectively), however I am glad that the instrument's firmware allows user to change polarity to facilitate using other pedals if desired.

Originally Posted by OneWatt
Special thanks to you again for your considerable support here!


Happy to help, thank you for your positive feedback. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: OneWatt Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/21/15 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello OneWatt, welcome to the forum and congratulations on the purchase of your MP7 (great price too, might I add...)...


Many thanks! Great to have this outstanding MP7 under my fingers at any price :-)

Originally Posted by Kawai James
May I ask which pedal unit you are using (does it have three 1/4" plugs?), and how you are connecting it to the MP7?


The 3-pedal unit is marked "VFP3-10" made by Fatar. It actually looks (design-wise) exactly like pictures of the F30. Yes, it has three 1/4" plugs ... and your question about how I'm connecting it got me thinking ...more on this below ...

Originally Posted by Kawai James
As explained in the owner's manual:

* For more information about purchasing the F-30 triple pedal accessory, please contact your local Kawai distributor.

...MP11/MP7 dealers should also stock the F-30, for example Kraft.


Thank you for this link! When I got on Kraft's site and did a "Kawai F30" search I got nothing, but your link took me there directly. And now here's a revelation for me...

The picture of the Kawai F30 pedal shows TWO 1/4" plugs - one TS (mono) and on TRS (stereo). My Fatar VFP3-10 has three TS mono plugs. So hey, perhaps I need to join two of the three mono plugs into a single stereo plug for the MP7's sostenuto input jack? Then again, that would leave another pedal jack empty ... hmmm, will have to think this through and experiment some more.

Meanwhile, based on comments about expression pedal concerns (dancing parameters?!?) I'll shy away from connecting my M-Audio expression pedal for the time being.


Originally Posted by Kawai James
...(I suspect the majority of MP7 and MP11 owners use the provided F-10H and F-30 pedal units respectively), however I am glad that the instrument's firmware allows user to change polarity to facilitate using other pedals if desired.


If I used the F-10H pedal provided, I'd still need another pedal for any additional available functions featured on the MP7 (e.g., I use one of my three pedals to start/stop the metronome), so having one triple pedal on hand is better than multiple pedals swimming around on the floor inviting confusion as to which is which.

All the best - OneWatt
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/21/15 09:51 PM
So I just made this Facebook group for sharing setups and stuff. Let's see how that works out.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/KawaiMP7/

Please join and share your setups, settings and thoughts!

Lennert
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/22/15 01:10 AM
Hello Lennert,

I'm not so familiar with Facebook, however I'm unable to join or even 'access' this group.

Also, may I ask what are the advantages of this MP7 group over the existing KawaiMP facebook page?

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/22/15 02:46 AM
The Facebook group shows up fine for me. @James, I believe the point of the group is to be a place where users can share setup files, which is a little harder to do on the offical page (it's the differences between a 'product' type page and a group).
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/22/15 02:48 AM
Okay, thanks.

I oversee the MP and VPC facebook pages, so that's probably why I cannot view Lennert's MP7 group...

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/22/15 12:55 PM
As of 22 January 2015, KAWAI has now released v1.10 software updates for both the MP7 and MP11.

A big thanks to Kawai, and also to James of Kawai for posting the news on this site.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/22/15 12:58 PM
No problem. wink

We hoped to have it online for Christmas, but unfortunately the release was postponed.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/22/15 01:01 PM
A stable release is preferable, if there is some waiting necessary for less hassles, that is OK for me.
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/22/15 01:19 PM
Hi Sean, apparently my MP7 might arrive at Zenith by the end of next week 29 or 30 Jan 2015...fingers crossed. Have you seen that KAWAI have released v1.10 today? I've already downloaded it in advance and will do the update from v1.05 to v1.10 before I leave Zenith once I buy my MP7. I will also offer to show them how to do it, as all their stock will be v1.05, so it may be a positive selling point if they can update the new ones to v1.10 if their customers need help with that. Regards, Alan
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/22/15 01:38 PM
Hello One Watt,

I recently made some technical enquiries via Kawai Australia who liaised with Kawai Japan, regarding the use of expression pedals with the Kawai MP7. I have a Roland EV-5 expression pedal. Kawai says that this pedal should NOT be used with the MP7. The wiring of the tip/ring on the pedal's jack plug is opposite to that on the MP7's EXP pedal input. Although the MP7 has a menu function that can "reverse" the polarity, this cannot overcome the fact that the Roland pedal is hard-wired the opposite.

3 other pedals were recommended by Kawai. I note you say you have an M-Audio expression pedal. If it is the one with the polarity switch (M-Audio EX-P), that should be ok according to what I was told.

Our investigations also led us to verify that ONLY the supplied F10-H damper pedal should be connected to the MP7's "Damper" input. If you want to connect another brand, or generic pedal, you have to connect it to the "Soft.SW" input and alter the control setting accordingly so that it controls sustenuto. But as James correctly states, if you are not sure, check with your local dealer etc. I hope this is of some help.
Posted By: Lennert Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/22/15 07:46 PM
Hi Kawai James,

Sellvia pretty much answered your question about the Facebook Group for km6 exchange. You should be able to join though. I made it public.


The update is amazing! Specifically this one:

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The 'Volume' EDIT menu parameter has been replaced with a new [C]MasterVol. parameter, allowing total SETUP volume to be easily adjusted, with a pop-up indicating zone/section volumes when changed. In addition, the MP7 also displays a summary of the current SETUP, including each zone's patchname, volume, and the SW1/SW2 assignments.



It's something I didn't really think of, but will be indispensable from now on.

Thanks!
Lennert
Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/23/15 10:17 AM
Hey Alan, just did the update this afternoon. All went well at this end. Good to hear your MP7 should be arriving soon!
Posted By: OneWatt Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/23/15 10:56 AM
Originally Posted by lophiomys
A stable release is preferable, if there is some waiting necessary for less hassles, that is OK for me.


Toward that end, does anyone know of any reason that one couldn't simply "downgrade" back to version 1.05 if they decided that issues with version 1.10 were troublesome? If so, then upgrading is a low stakes decision. If not, then waiting for potential bugs to shake out is typically a wise choice if you're not currently having issues to be fixed by upgrade.

Is going backwards in firmware on the MP7 possible?

Posted By: OneWatt Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/23/15 11:07 AM
Originally Posted by Just Alan
Hello One Watt,

I recently made some technical enquiries via Kawai Australia who liaised with Kawai Japan, regarding the use of expression pedals with the Kawai MP7. I have a Roland EV-5 expression pedal. Kawai says that this pedal should NOT be used with the MP7. The wiring of the tip/ring on the pedal's jack plug is opposite to that on the MP7's EXP pedal input. Although the MP7 has a menu function that can "reverse" the polarity, this cannot overcome the fact that the Roland pedal is hard-wired the opposite.

3 other pedals were recommended by Kawai. I note you say you have an M-Audio expression pedal. If it is the one with the polarity switch (M-Audio EX-P), that should be ok according to what I was told.

Our investigations also led us to verify that ONLY the supplied F10-H damper pedal should be connected to the MP7's "Damper" input. If you want to connect another brand, or genf2feric pedal, you have to connect it to the "Soft.SW" input and alter the control setting accordingly so that it controls sustenuto. But as James correctly states, if you are not sure, check with your local dealer etc. I hope this is of some help.


@Just Alan - many thanks, this is very interesting info indeed! Will report back if I learn anything that might be useful to others. Cheers, One Watt
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/23/15 11:11 AM
Yes, downgrading the FW is possible. I just did that several times with different versions of Beta FW.

There *might* be side effects concerning backups stored on USB from newer versions, which might not be read correctly by older versions of the FW. E.g. if a newer version stores some new parameters in the backup or uses a different format, which the older FW could possibly not be able to process. I have not tested this aspect.

After the release of the new CA-67 and CA-69 with the freshly sampled SK-5 and SK-EX,
this question is nagging me:

Would it be possible to get the new piano samples of the CA-67 for the MP7,
either by a software update or by a new main-sound-board?

Or could we expect an upgrade MP7 MK II, which MP7 owners could trade-in for, in the near future?


I'd be ready pay for such an upgrade ...
... given the new samples are softer to the ear than the existing EX sample, in reference to Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pro or Adam AX monitor speakers.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/23/15 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by lophiomys
There *might* be side effects concerning backups stored on USB from newer versions, which might not be read correctly by older versions of the FW. E.g. if a newer version stores some new parameters in the backup or uses a different format, which the older FW could possibly not be able to process.


lophiomys, that's a good point.

I believe there is an unwritten 'rule' for MP software updates to ensure that backups remain compatible regardless of the OS they are loaded/saved from.

There was a case recently where a user requested a particular change. It was technically possible, and I gather even implemented in a beta version. However, the change was unfortunately later scrapped as it require changes to the AllBackup fileformat, which could cause problems when loading onto an MP with an old OS.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/23/15 11:34 AM
Originally Posted by OneWatt
Is going backwards in firmware on the MP7 possible?


Yes. As it happens, this same query was raised by IMOL in the MP11/MP7 update thread:

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by IMOL
It's strange, but I would like to know if you can come back
1.10 to 1.05 version


Yes, the previous software updates are kept online - just change the URL accordingly, for example: http://www.kawai-global.com/data/updates/mp7_v105.zip


Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/23/15 11:49 AM
Originally Posted by lophiomys
Would it be possible to get the new piano samples of the CA-67 for the MP7, either by a software update or by a new main-sound-board?


I'm not sure this would be technically possible without expanding the sample memory of the MP. Moreover R&D are busy working on other instruments - I doubt they will return to the MP series for a few years.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/23/15 11:58 AM
Bummer. Though, I'd not have expected that there would be much R&D necessary for such a task.
Either a SW upgrade, while juggling for space in the existing sample memory (the complete second bank of piano sounds could be discarded on the MP7 IMHO), or to solder a memory chip with more capacity on an existing soundboard layout.

Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/23/15 09:14 PM
I don't know what all u guys want from the mp7. Next you will want wings so it can fly. You bought a stage piano, play it. It is not a sampler, has no sample ram nor other expandability, u knew this when u bought it.

If u want a board to really mass around with then look out for a 2nd hand GEM SK760, that will do everything and more and its 15 years old.

MP7 === PLAY IT ++ YOUR TECHIE BRAINS ARE STRETCHED +++ JUST PLAY IT, IF YOU CAN++++
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/24/15 09:01 PM
Sinclairgsport,
I do not want a sampler, I do not want to expand, I am just after a more pleasant piano sound inside the MP7. Nothing specifically techie. Since the MP7 is not even one year old, and new piano samples just have been released by Kawai for the CA-67/97, superseding the existing unfortunate EX sample, it would be a smart move to offer an upgrade to existing MP7 and MP11 customers.

BTW, me disliking fixed wings, you can rest assured, that the MP7 will be save. The flying I already do with helicopters. smile
Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/24/15 11:53 PM
Just play it, no one will notice the difference in the audience and any sound
is only as good as a) the effects and b) the amplification speaker quality.

MP7 JUST PLAY IT HURRAY
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/25/15 06:50 AM
Thanks Sean, I've been reading the discussions on this forum about the v1.10 software update. It seems that there are some very advanced users who have come up with a few problems, and who are thinking of going back to v1.05. I understood that v1.10 was a stable tested release, not a beta, and it certainly seems to have some great upgrades, but I think I will be a bit cautious about upgrading to v1.10 once I get my MP7, at least until I see some answers to some of the concerns.

It seems that there are far less likely to be any issues on an MP7 that was new with v1.05 and on which none of the parameters and settings have been altered, at the time you upgrade to v1.10. Glad to hear yours is working ok.

I'm also starting to read a few people are hoping that the MP7 will be upgraded with the new piano samples from the CA series, but James of Kawai says that won't be happening to the MP series. I personally thought the painos on the MP7 were fine just as they are.

I trust you are enjoying yours, and it is doing everything that you expected of it. Hopefully I'll have mine soon.

Originally Posted by Stellvia
Hey Alan, just did the update this afternoon. All went well at this end. Good to hear your MP7 should be arriving soon!
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/26/15 12:55 AM
Good morning Alan,

I address your concerns about the v1.10 software update in the following post of the 'Kawai MP11/MP7 v1.10 software update' thread:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2378100/Re:_Kawai_MP11/MP7_v1.10_softw.html#Post2378100

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/26/15 03:24 PM
Thanks James, I had noticed your reply in the other post, whereupon I replied. Have been a bit scared off buying the MP7 in view of all the technical stuff, and I must confess, I have never ever encountered a product before which needed so many fixes/upgrades etc post release. I don't mean this as a criticism, but it does kind of worry me, especially when I am used to simply switching on a keyboard and have everything working from day one just as it should. It strikes me that there might be a whole stack of MP7 owners out there who have never upgraded from v1.00, simply because they have never seen this forum or ever checked the Kawai website. I wonder how they are all getting along. Hopefully my fears can be resolved before the long awaited MP7 arrives at the end of this week. smile Alan
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Good morning Alan,

I address your concerns about the v1.10 software update in the following post of the 'Kawai MP11/MP7 v1.10 software update' thread:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2378100/Re:_Kawai_MP11/MP7_v1.10_softw.html#Post2378100

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Stellvia Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/26/15 04:02 PM
Hey Alan. In all honesty this is pretty standard for many pro keyboards on the market, especially the more complex stage pianos and workstations. The more complex they are, the more issues can occur that aren't found till testing/release and require an update, plus the addition of extra features as people work with and buy the new instrument. I've had similar things with just about every keyboard I've owned. All of them have worked as described and I've very rarely had a bug that has caused a major issue for me that stops me from using the instrument. This isn't limited to the music world, just about anything that uses programming of some sort can have regular updates, just look at your computer operating system for instance, they're always incrementally upgrading smile I fear that this upgrade has turned into a bit of a mountain out of a mole hill issue, and for the majority of people using the instrument there shouldn't be any major (or even minor hopefully) issues!

I welcome you to come try mine out if you like smile

Sean
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/27/15 01:48 AM
Originally Posted by Just Alan
It strikes me that there might be a whole stack of MP7 owners out there who have never upgraded from v1.00, simply because they have never seen this forum or ever checked the Kawai website. I wonder how they are all getting along.


Those users who experience any issues with their instrument will likely contact their dealer or distributor, who will advise on where to download the update.

It's perhaps also worth noting that when software updates are released by Kawai Japan, the data is also sent to the factory for use in production, meaning that instruments always ship with the most recent software available.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/27/15 01:49 AM
Originally Posted by Stellvia
In all honesty this is pretty standard for many pro keyboards on the market, especially the more complex stage pianos and workstations. The more complex they are, the more issues can occur that aren't found till testing/release and require an update, plus the addition of extra features as people work with and buy the new instrument. I've had similar things with just about every keyboard I've owned. All of them have worked as described and I've very rarely had a bug that has caused a major issue for me that stops me from using the instrument. This isn't limited to the music world, just about anything that uses programming of some sort can have regular updates, just look at your computer operating system for instance, they're always incrementally upgrading smile I fear that this upgrade has turned into a bit of a mountain out of a mole hill issue, and for the majority of people using the instrument there shouldn't be any major (or even minor hopefully) issues!


+100

Originally Posted by Stellvia
I welcome you to come try mine out if you like smile


I think this could be the start of a beautiful relationship. wink

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Glendene Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/27/15 03:25 AM
Just out of curiosity has any one had a key that would not activate? The problem was intermittent, did not catch it immediately, just thought I had not hit the correct key. Once it started to happen more often (once or twice a hour) was able to reproduce by hitting the key many times. Once it fails even a system reboot would not reset the key. But by hitting the keys around the key, the bad key would eventually work ok. Had to send the MP 7 in for repair (3 weeks ago), also not as annoying as a missing key, but one note would make a loud and tinny sound, not all the time, but enough to take notice.
Cannot wait for my MP 7 to be returned (no idea yet to when it might be repaired), having to use a cheap plastic controller keyboard, I am missing the great MP 7 key action/sound.
Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/27/15 11:03 AM
All this problem stuff is making me nervous

Maybe I should have bought a Kurzy sps4-8 , 400 quid cheaper and plenty of download edit support.

??????
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/27/15 11:14 AM
Hi Sinclairgsport, I am sorry if I inadvertantly added to your nervousness by asking questions and expressing a few of my own concerns. I can assure you that any concerns I had have all been resolved, and I am confident about moving foward with buying a MP7...I guess it has just been an awfully long wait for one to arrive here in Perth Western Australia. I had also wondered whether we might lack support here in WA, but I've quickly learnt that Kawai is very good with their support and customer commitment. Before the MP7 came on the market, I tended to recommend the Kurzweil SP5-8 in the similar price range, and actually helped a church group buy one. As much as I liked the Kurzweil SP5-8 in many respects, it too was difficult to get into West Australia, so I never got one for myself. That was frustrating at the time, but now I have come across the Kawai MP7, I am deadset keen on acquiring one. For me, the ONLY choice for me is a Kawai MP7, or I simply won't be buying a stage piano. I hope that helps you feel a tad better. smile
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
All this problem stuff is making me nervous

Maybe I should have bought a Kurzy sps4-8 , 400 quid cheaper and plenty of download edit support.

??????
Posted By: spanishbuddha Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/27/15 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
All this problem stuff is making me nervous

Maybe I should have bought a Kurzy sps4-8 , 400 quid cheaper and plenty of download edit support.

??????

Best option IMHO, if possible, is to audition or test the instrument in the store, and if all OK purchase that very instrument then and there. That way you have a chance to build a relationship with the store, maybe get some reduction or offer of something else thrown in, and a bit of peace of mind. I've done this for my last three purchases.
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 01/27/15 11:56 AM
I do second that.
I actually tried to buy the demonstration unit then, but the dealer refused. Next time I will firmly insist, otherwise the dealer would not see any money from me.

The problem behind it seems to be that we end customers cannot trust production quality and quality assurance any more.

The modulation wheel in my second MP7, which was fixed by a not-so-local service technician, was poorly fitted inside the case: the mounting-thread had a stuck nut on it. A crude defect which should have been caught by QA and which was definitely noticed by the person, who assembled it in the first place.
Posted By: OneWatt Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/01/15 04:59 AM
Originally Posted by lophiomys
I actually tried to buy the demonstration unit then, but the dealer refused. Next time I will firmly insist, otherwise the dealer would not see any money from me.

...

The modulation wheel in my second MP7, which was fixed by a not-so-local service technician, was poorly fitted inside the case: the mounting-thread had a stuck nut on it. A crude defect which should have been caught by QA and which was definitely noticed by the person, who assembled it in the first place.


Reading your post I have to chuckle ... the MP7 I bought was a floor model, but from a few states away so I bought it sight unseen.

There was only one small issue with this otherwise "mint" condition keyboard ... yup, the modulation wheel.

It was wiggling as if it were barely attached to its mount.

With solid support from Kawai tech (Juan E.) I managed to tighten a nut using a thin metal shim from outside the case and solved the problem. But it was odd this incomplete assembly job apparently got past the QA folks. Functions perfectly and never had to crack the case open (phew).

Well, all's well that ends well.
Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/01/15 05:48 PM
For JAMES at KAWAI

James, do you have the MP7 quality stats or KPI, ie how many sold, how many defects, customer complaints, and the production reject rate in the factory?

there seems one heck of a lot of loose ends here?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/02/15 01:22 AM
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
James, do you have the MP7 quality stats or KPI, ie how many sold, how many defects, customer complaints, and the production reject rate in the factory?


No, I'm afraid not - this is not my area.

Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
there seems one heck of a lot of loose ends here?


I don't believe the handful of posts above are anything to be concerned about. Forums have a tendency to exaggerate negatives.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/06/15 09:06 AM
ATTN EUROPEAN OWNERS MP7

Has anyone noticed the so called power transformer "HUM"
Why didn't Kawai just have a dc input with external adaptor? James?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/06/15 09:29 AM
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
Why didn't Kawai just have a dc input with external adaptor? James?


I'm not an engineer, but I gather that stage pianos typically use a transformer, not a power adaptor.

As for hum from the transformer, I believe lophiomys has posted about this on a handful of occasions.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/06/15 10:18 AM
An external power adapter would just be another extra thing to forget.
What would be preferrable, would be a a high quality torodial transformer, properly mounted and damped inside the case of the MP7, like any other reasonable HiFi equipment in this price range.

Besides there are several reports of humming transformers, e.g. from the top of my head a CA95 and a CN34 in the German Kawai Forum. It seems that Kawai has decided to save some extra few cents and use cheap metal plated core transformers, which are by design prone to humming.

Here is a link to a post with a picture of the culprit:
DPs Exposed - Inside the MP7

Here a link to the longish ranting thread about my experiences with my MP7 and the humming transfomer, amongst other things encountered, while switching from an old RD-500 to the MP7.

HTH
Posted By: fomalhaut Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/06/15 01:56 PM
Well my shiny new MP7 is arriving this afternoon, will report if I hear any hums and whatnot.

OTOH.... I can't wait for it! laugh
Posted By: OneWatt Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/06/15 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by fomalhaut
Well my shiny new MP7 is arriving this afternoon, will report if I hear any hums and whatnot.

OTOH.... I can't wait for it! laugh


@ fomalhaut - Not sure where you're located but FWIW, here in the US with the 110V outlet I can't anything like hum from my MP7 - I stick my ear next to where the power plug enters the back of the unit and dead silence. I do hope your experience is the same.

Enjoy your new MP7 ... I think you're in for a treat!

-OneWatt
Posted By: fomalhaut Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/06/15 08:36 PM
@OneWatt - yes the hum is there (220V here in Europe). It's mostly imperceptible when not wearing headphones (I wouldn't have noticed it if I weren't looking for it) I would not consider this unit to be faulty.

And boy this thing sounds great!
Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/06/15 09:12 PM
lophiomys

an external dc adaptor would be the replacement for the power cord, so there would be nothing to forget!! Also transformed ac to dc voltage externally is more safe and stable than direct ac plug in.
Posted By: PianoManChuck Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/06/15 10:42 PM
Put my vote in for an external 'brick' that converts AC power over to 12 Volts DC or whatever DC voltage. Several advantages to that: 1) The main slab unit weighs less, 2) no internal hum, 3) a broken adapter can easily be replaced with a multitude of 'universal power adapters' that you can find at electronics stores, and 4) portable DC power supplies can take the place of the 'brick' and an AC outlet!

I have a Casio Privia PX-350 (88-key w/ built-in amp/speakers) that uses one of those 'brick' transformers / AC/DC converter. I was able to replace that alltogether with a portable DC power supply (not much bigger than a couple of packs of cigarettes), making my PX-350 a completely portable unit that I can play anywhere in the world (forest, beach, mountain, etc) without having to worry about having an AC outlet.

If the MP7 / MP11 had one of those 'bricks' instead of its built-in transformer, that portable DC power adapter along with a Roland KC-110 (battery operated pro keyboard amp) would give you a battery-operated portable rig that can be played anywhere in the world (no AC needed)!

And also... the VPC1 has the option of running on the power supplied by a USB cable hooked in to a computer. Why not offer the same option with the MP7 ?? I realize there's more going on with the MP7 than the VPC1 (ie: Screen that needs to operate, etc)... but I have other products (screen and all) that DO operate off the power from a USB cable hooked in to a computer.

Its too late for the MP7 / MP11, but just a suggestion for its successor model(s).
Posted By: OneWatt Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/07/15 02:46 AM
Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Put my vote in for an external 'brick' .....

Its too late for the MP7 / MP11, but just a suggestion for its successor model(s).


Chuck - That's great idea, although I imagine you're quite right that, for now, the die is cast for the existing MP models.

BTW, I've enjoyed your online reviews quite a bit, and I agree that the Casio PX-5S is a killer keyboard/controller (hiding in a sweetly innocent looking white plastic shell).

But since this is an MP7 thread, I'll confess that my PX-5S is now sitting comfortably in its box (through NO fault of its own!) and I'm beginning to think perhaps I need to sell it so it doesn't get jealous of all the attention my Kawai MP7 is enjoying.

-OneWatt
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/07/15 08:59 AM
My reasoning is for a self-contained unit.
A simple power cable is easily replaced, to find an external power adapter with the matching specifications requires more effort. No extra tings are lying on the floor.

Back to origin of the humming transformer discussion:
There is absolutely no justification use a cheap transformer prone to humming with a musical instrument, neither inside nor external. A quality transformer would not cost significantly more.

Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/07/15 03:03 PM
One of the reasons I bought the MP7 is that it has an internal transformer and a standard three-pin socket and cord. Most external adapters have flimsy cables and connectors, and are more prone to damage; frequently, they also have proprietary or unusual DC plugs. The internal system allows for a more robust connection and easy replacement should there be an issue with the power cord.

As for the hum, yes it's there but it's very low level. It's a non-issue in a stage context, but I agree that a higher specced transformer that also allows for multiple voltages should have been installed. Kawai comes across as somewhat "old-school" in their approach to things, which can sometimes be frustrating, but is also a blessing when tried and tested components and procedures are retained - especially if there is no reason to ditch them.
Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/07/15 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by voxpops
One of the reasons I bought the MP7 is that it has an internal transformer and a standard three-pin socket and cord.

OTOH, that's also one of the reasons you're looking to sell it before moving to Europe! Always pros and cons...
Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/07/15 05:49 PM
So many devices I have seen that have a litte switch to accomodate for different voltage systems.
We are discussing a 2000 USD device here, after all.

Another kind of "region lock" in hardware, like Samsung forced it on their mobile phones by a firmware update.

Posted By: anotherscott Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/07/15 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by lophiomys
So many devices I have seen that have a litte switch to accomodate for different voltage systems.
We are discussing a 2000 USD device here, after all.

Well, it's a $1799 device, that many people feel competes well against $2k+ devices from Yamaha and Roland. If they have to cut some costs to be able to do that, this is a perfectly reasonable place to save a coupla' bucks. It doesn't affect sound or feel, and the percentage of U.S. purchasers who will ever have to run their MP7 on another voltage is probably infinitesimal.
Posted By: dewster Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/07/15 06:41 PM
Kawai should be employing switch mode power supplies that take any AC mains voltage you throw at them. But I suppose these are DPs we're talking about, so you have to set your watch back at least 10 years when opening one up.

Huge buzzing iron core transformers are less flexible, less efficient, less environmental, more expensive, and much heavier than modern solutions.
Posted By: voxpops Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/08/15 02:37 AM
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by voxpops
One of the reasons I bought the MP7 is that it has an internal transformer and a standard three-pin socket and cord.

OTOH, that's also one of the reasons you're looking to sell it before moving to Europe! Always pros and cons...


True - in fact it's really the only reason (hence my request for multi-voltage power supplies). Despite my rather peculiar circumstances, I'd still rather buy a main board with a built-in transformer.
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/13/15 08:51 AM
My MP7 finally arrived after a 3 month wait, and I picked it up from the store today (Fri 13/2/2015). Very pleased.
Posted By: OneWatt Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/13/15 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Just Alan
My MP7 finally arrived after a 3 month wait, and I picked it up from the store today (Fri 13/2/2015). Very pleased.


Congratulations ... hopefully you'll agree it was worth the wait. Enjoy!
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/15/15 12:20 PM
Thanks One Watt.

Without wanting to sound over-dramatic, whilst I was certainly very glad to finally be able to buy my own MP7 after a 3 month wait, when I took it out of its box on Sunday 15/2/2015, I firstly checked every key with the sound off. D# no:3 and the F# no:5 both made an audible clicking noise when returning to their up position. All the other keys were fine.

I will ask Kawai Australia what is the best thing to do under the circumstances. Other than that niggle, it plays and sounds very nice.

Regards,

Alan


Originally Posted by OneWatt
Originally Posted by Just Alan
My MP7 finally arrived after a 3 month wait, and I picked it up from the store today (Fri 13/2/2015). Very pleased.


Congratulations ... hopefully you'll agree it was worth the wait. Enjoy!
Posted By: OneWatt Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/15/15 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Just Alan
Thanks One Watt.

Without wanting to sound over-dramatic, whilst I was certainly very glad to finally be able to buy my own MP7 after a 3 month wait, when I took it out of its box on Sunday 15/2/2015, I firstly checked every key with the sound off. D# no:3 and the F# no:5 both made an audible clicking noise when returning to their up position. All the other keys were fine.

I will ask Kawai Australia what is the best thing to do under the circumstances. Other than that niggle, it plays and sounds very nice.

Regards,

Alan


Alan -

Not over-dramatic ... Sorry to hear you've got this frustration with your MP7.

You left me wondering, so I just went through all 88 keys on my unit with the power off and, lo' and behold, just a few keys do make a bit more keybed noise than others. Of course it's a matter of degree, and I've never even noticed before - so it's clearly not loud or distracting enough to get in the way of functional playability or enjoyment.

It's hard to compare sPl db of key noise - since the sound level experience depends how quiet the room is, music volume, headphones vs speakers, etc. - but is this noise you're hearing extreme? Perhaps more telling: is the travel range of these specifically affected keys noticeably different (which might suggest some noise-dampening padding was misapplied)?

FWIW, opening the MP7 can be a real "bear" from what I've seen of the service manual, and so adding your own home-brew felt padding to those specific keys might be possible but I wouldn't be overly eager to try that unless I was strongly motivated.

- OneWatt

Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/15/15 03:37 PM
My MP7 started also to emit some distracting clicking noise on many keys now, clearly audible while playing p, after not even 6 months of practice.
It seems to worsen slowly, therefore IMO it would be good to sort this out while the short warranty lasts.

Concerning this I have an inquiry open with European Support since 3(!) weeks, and no answer yet.
European Support in Germany seems to be very, very busy. Seems I need to produce another video to get their attention again.

BTW, at my recent visit at the contracting service technician's basement workshop, the technician appeared to have strict orders not to do anything else than the granted repair of the modulation wheel.

OT and something to smile - from the country, where there are NO kangaroos:
Anton back at home after 4 months out in the winterly forests on his own
smile
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/16/15 01:46 AM
Hello Alan,

As noted in the software update thread, and on facebook, congratulations on receiving your MP7. I'm glad to hear you're enjoying the instrument and that it's been worth the wait!

Regarding the keyboard action, it's not uncommon to hear some variations in mechanism sound from one key to the next, especially in a quiet room, with the instrument turned off, and your ears tuned for anything that may sound untoward. If you were to remove the strings from an acoustic grand piano, I expect there would be variations in the sound of the keyboard action also.

You'll likely find that the sound will even-out in the coming days as the keyboard action settles, so assuming it's inaudible when playing with speakers or wearing headphones, I would politely suggest less worrying and more playing. wink

If, in a few weeks, you still find the movement sound of those two keys to be objectionable, by all means give your Kawai dealer a call to seek their advice. Until that time, please continue to enjoy the MP7 and all that is has to offer.

Cheers,
James
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Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/16/15 01:59 AM
lophiomys, with regards to your post, I'm afraid I do not know why you have not received a reply to your enquiry from Kawai Europe. I gather my colleagues there typically respond to customer enquiries within 24-48 hours.

My suggestion would be to give them a call to double-check the situation.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/16/15 02:17 AM
Thanks James. Kawai Australia has noted the situation and asked me to play the MP7 as much as possible this week and report back. Apparently the noise can sometimes be caused by a dirt particle being on the rubber contacts, so they want me to see if frequent playing clears it up. I am happy to try that, and have agreed to contact them by the end of the week to give an update. In the meantime, I can wholeheartedly say that IMHO the MP7 is a superb digital piano and I will get a lot of pleasure playing it over the years ahead. Alan
Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/16/15 02:28 AM
Hello One Watt. I guess it is to be expected that most keyboards will get a bit noisier over time, as they certainly have a lot of mechanical parts in their keybed mechanisms. Often it is the rubber contacts that cause weird noises as they pop back up as a note is released. There were only 2 notes on my new MP7 that had the click noise when the key was released...D#3 and F#5. F#5 is the louder of the two. The actual keys seem to respond ok to touch etc and rise to their proper position. Kawai Australia have asked me to play the piano a lot this week and see if the noises go away, and then we'll reassess the situation. It may not be a big issue. The suggestion is that sometimes a bit of dirt gets on the rubber contacts and contributes to the clicking noise. When playing with headphones or through speakers, the sound is not really noticeable. Overall, I think the MP7 is an awesome piece of gear, and Kawai seems committed to customer support.
Posted By: Sinclairgsport Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/16/15 06:18 PM
All, key click and clank is due to cheap nasty felt materials being used at bottom and top key contact positions. This problem is very common on far eastern made keybeds, ( good example in Casio forum where one guy to ok apart the keybed )
I suspect that one supplier is selling this stuff to all manufacturers and to me it has not been approved well enough , there should be robots in the development works which are pounding keys to replicate a life cycle.
The key clank is horrible when playing soft pieces.
My qualifications, 30 years in supplier approval for many OEM's.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/17/15 12:45 AM
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
This problem is very common on far eastern made keybeds...


Eastern = produced in Asia?

If so, I believe this accounts for the vast majority of digital piano keyboard actions. To my knowledge, Fatar are the only non-Asian manufacturer of digital piano keyboard actions. The company is based in Italy, although I don't know if the products they produce are necessarily manufactured there.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: Just Alan Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/17/15 02:04 AM
I'd been led to believe that Kawai made it's own keybeds, especially for ES7/ MP7 /MP11 and upwards.

That was one of the many reasons why I chose the MP7. Whatever the case, the RHII keybed action on the MP7 certainly suits my personal taste in actions, but I know that is a subjective issue. Kawai's RHII seems to be well designed and engineered.

Alan
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/17/15 02:13 AM
Originally Posted by Just Alan
I'd been led to believe that Kawai made it's own keybeds, especially for ES7/ MP7 /MP11 and upwards.


This is correct.

All of the keyboard actions utilised by Kawai DPs are developed by Kawai. I believe this is also true of Yamaha, Roland, Casio, and Korg instruments.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/17/15 09:33 AM
Are all the parts of the keyboard action manufactured by Kawai in its Indonesian factory?
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/18/15 01:22 AM
Originally Posted by lophiomys
Are all the parts of the keyboard action manufactured by Kawai in its Indonesian factory?


I believe some components are produced by outside vendors, under license from Kawai.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: mabraman Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/18/15 08:25 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by lophiomys
Are all the parts of the keyboard action manufactured by Kawai in its Indonesian factory?


I believe some components are produced by outside vendors, under license from Kawai.

Kind regards,
James
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I was told by Kawai's distributor for Spain that almost every single piece of their digitals is produced by third parties, being Kawai mostly designer/assembler.
Some pics of the factory in Hamamatsu could prove this to be wrong.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/18/15 08:33 AM
Originally Posted by mabraman
I was told by Kawai's distributor for Spain...


I will contact our distributor in Spain and attempt to clarify the reason for this miscommunication.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: mabraman Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/18/15 09:03 AM
Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
All, key click and clank is due to cheap nasty felt materials being used at bottom and top key contact positions. This problem is very common on far eastern made keybeds, ( good example in Casio forum where one guy to ok apart the keybed )
I suspect that one supplier is selling this stuff to all manufacturers and to me it has not been approved well enough , there should be robots in the development works which are pounding keys to replicate a life cycle.
The key clank is horrible when playing soft pieces.
My qualifications, 30 years in supplier approval for many OEM's.


You are right. And I must add that, from the point of view of a customer, the wakest link in the chain speaks for the whole lot. This is possibly not fair, but it happens and perhaps is what digipros can't understand.
Posted By: mabraman Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/18/15 09:08 AM
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by mabraman
I was told by Kawai's distributor for Spain...


I will contact our distributor in Spain and ask why they are providing misleading information to customers.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Kind regards,
James
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You have me bewildered. I thought you were just writing manuals and managing web profiles, now I find you monitor distributors, too.
Posted By: Kawai James Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/18/15 09:45 AM
Originally Posted by mabraman
I thought you were just writing manuals and managing web profiles...


I am responsible for overseas DP marketing and materials, yes. This entails creating manuals, brochures and websites, etc. but also entails a wide range of other tasks. For example, tomorrow I am scheduled to translate this rather useful app (and all support materials) into English.

Originally Posted by mabraman
...now I find you monitor distributors, too.


I am in regular contact with our distributors, yes. This is quite natural, given my role, but I am not 'monitoring' anyone.

However, if I find that information provided to our customers is inaccurate, it's my obligation to ensure that the message is put right. This may be an incorrect specification on a dealer's website, or misinformation about Kawai as a company and our products.

Again, thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Kind regards,
James
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Posted By: lophiomys Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/18/15 09:57 AM
OMG, Spain is going to be in serious trouble now.
Posted By: mabraman Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD - 02/18/15 10:01 AM
Wow that app looks great, thanks for sharing!!
I'm gonna pass this to some master students who are making their work on e-sheets. Please keep us informed