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Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs

Posted By: nitekatt2008z

Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/11/11 11:04 PM

I have been looking at some 88 weighted type keyboards with good acoustic piano samples/modeling, electric pianos, etc. Plus weight under 50 lbs. The Yamaha CP 50 is a really nice board I have played, the other keyboard similar in many comparisons would be the Roland RD 300NX which I haven't played. I liked the keyboard action on the CP 50. Also the price is about the same for these 2 boards, about $1699. Also both boards offer 128 polyphony.

I'm looking for any opinions about others who might be using these 2 keyboards and how you feel they would work out for doing live gigs.

Thanks
katt
Posted By: voxpops

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/11/11 11:42 PM

Katt, that's a question I'd like the answer to as well. A number of people here swear by the Nord piano, but it would be good to hear some contrasting opinions.
Posted By: nitekatt2008z

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/12/11 01:27 AM

The Clavia Nords are a fine product, especially the C2 double keyboard organ. I have played the 88 Stage Piano and the Electros and although the sounds are great, I can't deal with the keyboard actions they use. I feel the action on the Privia PX-3, the Yamaha CP 50 and my Korg M50 88 are more of my preference for the type of keyboard touch and feel I prefer for an 88 weighted keyboard that is designed to be under 50 lbs. Also, Nord products are priced double or triple of what Yamaha, Korg, Roland and Casio Privia offer in the same class of products. I would like to get a Nord 88 Stage piano, but they cost $3500+, not in my budget right now.

Someday I may get some kind of Nord Stage piano because they really have a company booming in sound technology. But since red is not my favorite color, I would need a dark silver or black keyboard like my Korg M50 88.

katt
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/12/11 01:37 AM

If you could live with 73 keys, the Nord Electro 3 HP could be a possibility, only 24 pounds, with a different weighted action than any of their other boards have had. Still red, though. Other than that, I'd probably stick with a Yamaha. I like the Roland FP-7F a lot, but it's over 50#.
Posted By: doremi

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/12/11 02:29 AM

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Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/12/11 03:29 AM

I'm not using either but my preference after playing both would be the CP50 for live stuff.

Posted By: Dr Popper

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/12/11 04:05 AM

RD300 NX will sound better through headphones and monitors.

The CP-50 will sound better live ....


That essentially is your decision.

Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/12/11 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by doremi
S90 ES, 88 weighted keys, 49.6 lbs. For me, the lure is that the S90 ES has samples of the Yamaha S700, which is a relatively short 7.5’ semi-concert grand piano but had a price tag of about $250,000 (i.e. it was more expensive than Yamaha’s 9’ full concert grand pianos at the time) The S90 ES is an older piano/synth hybrid with Motif ES sounds, and can perhaps be had at discounted prices if you can find one.

Not that I have ever played the S90 ES, but it is on my short list to watch out for.


While the S90ES's Natural Grand sample is excellent and works well in pop/r&b/rock genres, the Balanced action gave the 90ES more of a synthy feel to me. More so then the graded actions on the P250/CP300s which were out at the same time.

If you're looking at it from just an AP standpoint, I think the CP50 is far superior to the 90ES.

For an all around gigging board, if you can deal with the long length, the 90ES probably "holds up" as well or better sonically then any board released that long ago, a definite classic. I see 'em on the LA CL for prices ranging from $1000-1600.
If I had extra dough laying around, I'd pick one up myself.

Still for playing Jazz in a trio/quartet setting, I'd take almost any of the Yamaha stage pianos over any of the Motifs or S90s.
Posted By: anotherscott

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/12/11 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by nitekatt2008z
The Clavia Nords are a fine product, especially the C2 double keyboard organ. I have played the 88 Stage Piano and the Electros and although the sounds are great, I can't deal with the keyboard actions they use.

Since you like the sound of the Nords, and you already own a sub-50 pound 88 board whose action you like (the M50), why not just get a 61-key Electro 3 and MIDI it to your M50? It's in your price range; you can drive its pianos sound from your existing 88; plus you get essentially a single manual version of the C2 organ that you like. And you'd have both a piano action and an organ action at your disposal. And it only weighs about 15 pounds.
Posted By: PianoZac

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/12/11 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Popper
RD300 NX will sound better through headphones and monitors.

The CP-50 will sound better live ....


That essentially is your decision.


I absolutely agree with this. This is exactly what it comes down to. You should also put the Kawai MP6 in your sights. I'd take the MP6 over the Roland or the Yamaha. But between the CP50 and RD300NX, I'd definitely go with the CP50.
Posted By: nitekatt2008z

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/12/11 07:49 PM

Thanks to all of you who responded to my post. I think I have narrowed down my choice to "something" Yamaha. I did play the Casio PX-3 and have to admit I was very impressed with the piano sounds and great authentic 88 piano keybed feel. Plus the price, $699-799. Yamaha has made so many models of their stage pianos, I can't keep up with it. I really liked the touch and sound of the Yamaha CP 50. I also like the idea of getting a Nord Electro board and MIDI it to my M50 88 controller.

katt
Posted By: thomsurf

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/13/11 08:47 AM

I have a RD300NX. Overall I'm pretty happy with it however a couple of issues are causing some serious frustration:

The keybed is freakin noisy. Every key klonks and klanks rather loud when they bottom out. Wierd part is that they all sound different. I'm finding myself playing with more volume than I normally would in order to cover up the noise. (using headphones)

Note stealing: When layering Concert Grand with Soft Pad 5 the polyphony fails to an extend that I cannot use this combo, which sucks since Soft Pad 5 is one of the best sounding pads IMO.

The CP50 is the coolest looking DP around! I've tried it a couple of times and love the keys and the sounds, however my needs are a lot towards band playing and I found the interface to be way too complicated to switch between various sounds on the fly.

Posted By: voxpops

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/13/11 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by thomsurf
Note stealing: When layering Concert Grand with Soft Pad 5 the polyphony fails to an extend that I cannot use this combo, which sucks since Soft Pad 5 is one of the best sounding pads IMO.

Thomsurf, have you downloaded and installed the latest OS - I think it's v1.02? That is supposed to deal with the note-stealing problem when layering strings.

I do find it remarkable that this whole SN series was released without engineers making sure that these basic problems were ironed out. It really does sound like there's insufficient processor/memory "grunt" to deliver the SN goods.
Posted By: thomsurf

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/14/11 10:42 AM

Hi Voxpops
No I haven't. I believe I got one of the first units in Europe and that's like 6 weeks ago. Didn't think they would have an update already. Will check it out and report back.
Thanks,
Posted By: voxpops

Re: Roland RD 300NX vs Yamaha CP 50 For Live Gigs - 05/14/11 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by thomsurf
Hi Voxpops
No I haven't. I believe I got one of the first units in Europe and that's like 6 weeks ago. Didn't think they would have an update already. Will check it out and report back.
Thanks,


Good luck with the update, and please let us know your thoughts as you get to grips with the 300NX.
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