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NEW USERS - Download these Free Lessons. The first lesson is called Hola.
1st Free Lesson - Get HOLA at http://www.sendspace.com/file/05wxk8
(For those wanting the fingering wrote in) the single note RH version - updated file available here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/h5egm7
Don't forget to go to http://www.poppianopro.com to listen to the audio. While you are there, click on Listening Booth then the first song - Hola - to hear it.

These Videos are by the hands of Pete the bean
This video shows the fingering used in Hola.
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You can download Hola fingering video at http://www.sendspace.com/file/ut342j
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2nd Lesson is St. Louis Blues.

Pete sent the lesson in 3 handouts. Practice with the first one, then the second, and finally the third.

St. Louis Blues 1 of 3 - arranging a lead sheet. http://www.sendspace.com/file/pzenhn

St. Louis Blues 2 of 3 - arranging a lead sheet. http://www.box.net/shared/km2s3g6f2n
Audio for the arrangement is here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/aufwr0

St. Louis Blues 3 of 3 - arranging a lead sheet. http://www.box.net/shared/0kgmf8168s
It has Harmony added to the B section

Online VIDEO of St Louis Blues ( Click on the picture )
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You can download the .avi version of the St. Louis Blues video at http://www.sendspace.com/file/5qs3rh

Here is the zipped St. Louis Blues Video file for download
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vjdc73
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AUDIO - Uploads from everyone enjoying this thread.

Alene
http://www.box.net/shared/b6xecgliq7
http://www.box.net/shared/cqliq0p78e
http://www.box.net/shared/iff9zq88e0
http://www.box.net/shared/8l39hltiou St. Louis
http://www.box.net/shared/iff9zq88e0 House
http://www.box.net/shared/8lbl7d3mi9 Hola

blues flat 7
http://www.box.net/shared/zno2iafst2

Bradfordley
http://www.box.net/shared/f4l33dhxg8 Hola

GregF
http://www.box.net/shared/x2yaahlirz
http://www.box.net/shared/lbb28vleu3 Bad Day

Mark...
http://www.box.net/shared/tlpmk7g4zh

Ragtime Clown
http://www.box.net/shared/uxuk2bx4os
http://www.box.net/shared/8utptbsyjq
http://www.box.net/shared/o4ci8h2uc2

rosa2007
http://www.box.net/shared/vjdsalofyu
http://www.box.net/shared/02qrqat493
http://www.box.net/shared/naufyls2rz
http://www.box.net/shared/83jh37lgup
http://www.box.net/shared/tkivzn3org
http://www.box.net/shared/eidgu1bpb5
http://www.box.net/shared/dkj2p7b7u5
http://www.box.net/shared/cvcxpa896i
http://www.box.net/shared/luk6d9ggev St Louis

Audio of Pete doing St. Louis Blues
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0getbc

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4 note chords for the B section of Hola. Here is a mini lesson: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jt4bb3
You will have to change the Bm7b5 to Bb Maj7 (BbDFA) to make things work Hola.

Another throb pattern lesson "Bloody Well Right You Can Improvise:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0z6bjv

Arranging tips on 2 beat pattern: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7jerll

Latin Stride pattern. Find it here in this handout; http://www.sendspace.com/file/1hbg6x
The handout contains the Latin stride pattern for the B section of Hola. Also, the tips about using 4 note chords in the A section of Hola were meant for the LH stride pattern.
Here is a pdf example of Latin Stride pattern with 1 chord per measure: http://www.sendspace.com/file/gsp4di
It is the same pattern but the note values are doubled.

A walk up at bar 6. On bar 6 beat 3, I am hearing a B natural which is making my ears perk up. I hear you trying to do the Hola walk up. Nice. For that walk up I would play - RH starting bar 6 - beat 1 -GBG,ACA,BbDbBb,BDB. In the LH I would walk up G,A, Bb,B. see notation here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/m0vhv2

One idea that should be developed because it is good. You are doing a LH run at bar 20 of the chart on the Gm chord. How about sequence the lick down with every chord change after it like this: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qcfrj6


Check this handout for a quick lesson on tritone substitution.
http://www.box.net/shared/p855y2dacq
A quick summary is that you can substitute a V7 with a bII7 because the 2 chords share the same tritone.
To get a lighter sound on the last 2 chords Ab9-G9 here are some suggestions. Use a loose wrist on the Ab9 and bounce back out of the chord- use your fore arms to get the momentum into the keystroke. There is a slight hesitation back at the top of the bounce-relax here and drop into the G9.

Petes New Lessons/Tips/etc...
Feb 08 2009 St Louis Blues Solo http://www.box.net/shared/v4za5icfxl
Feb 19 2009 Alberti Bass Lesson
Audio: http://www.box.net/shared/bqileg0pzu
Sheet Music: http://www.box.net/shared/f1j8d6is51
Feb 20 2009 Blues Lesson
Example #1 Poached audio: http://www.box.net/shared/0mt65vlhqq
Example #2 Sunny Side Up audio: http://www.box.net/shared/9aihglbjfq
Example #3 Over Easy audio: http://www.box.net/shared/h4qaltmufl
Example #4 Scrambled audio: http://www.box.net/shared/3z9e38cli2
Sheet Music for all 4 is here: http://www.box.net/shared/by6nro569s


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Link - Interactive Chord / Scale Site
http://www.telacommunications.com/nutshell/music/keyboard.htm

Link - Online Game that will help with learning to read music
http://www.jaydemusica.com/htmlgame/Play%20Jayde%20Musica.html
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Hi everyone. I am new here on PW, and starting the first of the year, I want to get back to learning the Piano. I purchased a book that looks like it is going to be a lots of fun as soon as I get to that level. I got it from http://www.poppianopro.com/
A CD came with it that is going to be a big help too.

I was thinking that if anyone else is using that book, maybe we could have like a support group for it here. I know a little about theory, used to chord on a guitar, but need to get the chords on the Piano under my fingers. From all that I have been reading here on PW, this is what I am planning on working with so far.

Piano Magic
Faber Adult Piano Adventures 1
Alfreds Adult 1 ( going to use to add some variety to the Faber Method )
Improvising The Blues
The Piano Handbook
Pop Piano Pro ( Found this book on PW doing a search for Fake Book )

I do not really care at all for classical, so that is out. I have seen some Shawn Cheek videos on YouTube, and really like most of his playing.
Will be going on vacation for a couple of weeks, but I should still be able to get on PW while away.
Hope there are some others using those books that would jump in with some tips now and then.

Thanks,

Dale
Posted By: ll Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 12/18/08 04:57 AM
There are huge threads for the Alfred books--just check the forums and you should find them.
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Originally posted by ll:
There are huge threads for the Alfred books--just check the forums and you should find them.
Thank You, I did see the Alfred threads. I will read them from time to time, but will be using the Alfred book as a secondary method. I do have the book, but I kind of like the Faber book more.

Flat 7
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Originally posted by blues flat 7:
[QB] I purchased a book that looks like it is going to be a lots of fun as soon as I get to that level. I got it from http://www.poppianopro.com/
A CD came with it that is going to be a big help too.
Hi, I've been trying to get the author for postage costs to the UK for this book and am still waiting. He has sent me a snippet from the book and it really is good. I'm looking forward to seeing more.

Hoipefully, then we can get a few ideas going. Have you tried 'As Times Goes By' - it really is an excellent tutorial.
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Originally posted by Ragtime Clown:
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Originally posted by blues flat 7:
[QB] I purchased a book that looks like it is going to be a lots of fun as soon as I get to that level. I got it from http://www.poppianopro.com/
A CD came with it that is going to be a big help too.
Hoipefully, then we can get a few ideas going. Have you tried 'As Times Goes By' - it really is an excellent tutorial.
Hi RC
Where do I find that tutorial at?

Flat 7
Posted By: Rodney Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 12/18/08 07:15 PM
I have Peter's book "Pete The Bean" on Pianoworld and have to sat that Pop Piano Pro is the best tutorial I've seen for learning to play from lead sheets/fake books (and I'm sure I have them all in my book collection). It does assume a bit of theory knowledge (reading and forming chords although he gives instructions on playing inversions to keep the melody on top,) and assumes you can read music but gives lots of examples.

I only wish he was local so I could take lessons directly with him from time to time (I'm not really a believe in regular full time lessons but periodic sessions to help with technique and getting questions answwered is invaluable).

I'd be happy to participate in a thread.

Rodney
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Originally posted by Rodney:
I have Peter's book "Pete The Bean" on Pianoworld and have to sat that Pop Piano Pro is the best tutorial I've seen for learning to play from lead sheets/fake books (and I'm sure I have them all in my book collection). It does assume a bit of theory knowledge (reading and forming chords although he gives instructions on playing inversions to keep the melody on top,) and assumes you can read music but gives lots of examples.

I only wish he was local so I could take lessons directly with him from time to time (I'm not really a believe in regular full time lessons but periodic sessions to help with technique and getting questions answwered is invaluable).

I'd be happy to participate in a thread.

Rodney
Thanks Rodney!
That sounds good. I can see by looking at the book and listening to the CD that it is going to be a lot of fun, and some work. Gotta finish learning the Bass clef then ready to go. I learned the treble clef when I played guitar.
It would be nice if we could get Pete on this thread too! (hint hint)
If you read this Pete, I want to thank you for writing PopPianoPro. Hope some other Piano World members buy it from you and have a nice journey with us in this thread, that is if it is ok with you.

Flat 7
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 12/19/08 02:07 AM
I am currently working on Pop Piano Pro on my own as I work on Alfred Adult All-In-One Book 2 and other supplemental stuff with my teacher. Pete also recommended I start working on Exploring Jazz Piano Vol. 1 by Tim Richards. I just received that this week. Looks like I'll have a lot to work on in 2009. I'll try to participate in a support group.

Also, you may want to check out this monster thread started by Rodney. Tons of great info here:
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/1258.html

GregF
Hmmm....I'm working on the Alfred Adult All-in-One, and using the Faber Adult Piano Adventures as a supplement. Just the opposite of what you are doing. :-) There is a thread for the Faber Adult Adventures, but it is not very active, and has probably fallent down several pages. I started the Alfred Book last January, and I've only recently started the Faber, so I haven't gotten very far in it, but I do like it. There is also a series called American Popular Piano that sounds like it might be something you might like. It evidently has sections on improvising starting from the primer level. I haven't heard of anyone on here using it though.
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Originally posted by GregF:
I am currently working on Pop Piano Pro on my own as I work on Alfred Adult All-In-One Book 2 and other supplemental stuff with my teacher. Pete also recommended I start working on Exploring Jazz Piano Vol. 1 by Tim Richards. I just received that this week. Looks like I'll have a lot to work on in 2009. I'll try to participate in a support group.

Also, you may want to check out this monster thread started by Rodney. Tons of great info here:
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/1258.html

GregF
Hi Gregf
That is a fantastic thread that you linked to there. Thanks for that. Glad to hear that you will participate in the thread. I have a book by Tim Richards called Improvising The Blues. I also have 2 Jazz studys that might help. One is from a site called Music and You and the other one is from the site that sells Band In a Box.
The nice thing about that last one, everyone can hear the audios as a preview for the Jazz course, that I think is a great resource.
Here is the URL if you want to listen to some of them.
http://www.pgmusic.com/jazzpianomasterclass/lessons/index.htm

Flat 7
blues flat seven: Thank you for the invite to your thread.I would be happy to join in the fun and answer questions, maybe give hot tips and mini lessons. I am very familiar with Faber Piano Adventures. I have used it for many years to prep my students for my course, so ask about that too.
To help things along, let me know your playing level and maybe what song you are on in the Faber books..- Pete
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Originally posted by mom3gram:
Hmmm....I'm working on the Alfred Adult All-in-One, and using the Faber Adult Piano Adventures as a supplement. Just the opposite of what you are doing. :-) There is a thread for the Faber Adult Adventures, but it is not very active, and has probably fallent down several pages. I started the Alfred Book last January, and I've only recently started the Faber, so I haven't gotten very far in it, but I do like it. There is also a series called American Popular Piano that sounds like it might be something you might like. It evidently has sections on improvising starting from the primer level. I haven't heard of anyone on here using it though.
Hi mom3gram
I received a email from Pete, the author of the course Pop Piano Pro, and he teaches out of the Piano Adventures series too. He is willing to give us some help right here on this thread.
He does have a lots of students, so any questions we have, just give him lots of time to respond. I am glad he is participating. You have to listen to some of the sound samples from his site to see how great he is on the Piano. Go to
http://www.poppianopro.com/
and click on Listening Booth.

Flat 7
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
blues flat seven: Thank you for the invite to your thread.I would be happy to join in the fun and answer questions, maybe give hot tips and mini lessons. I am very familiar with Faber Piano Adventures. I have used it for many years to prep my students for my course, so ask about that too.
To help things along, let me know your playing level and maybe what song you are on in the Faber books..- Pete
Thank You Pete
Here is little about my level. As far as playing, I can do up to pages 70 and 71 pretty easy in the Adult Piano Adventures All In One, Level 1, Lesson Book. I kind of did things backwards. I have been reading a lot for over a year, and understand theory pretty well. Have not done a lot of keyboard playing. I want to change that starting in January.
I know the Major and minor chords, just have to get the progressions under my fingers. You teach Inversions in the Pop Piano Pro book, so I think I will catch on to them pretty quick.
I used to play chord guitar, so timing should not be a problem, at least on eighth notes. Have not played many sixteenth notes yet.
I can read treble clef pretty well, and seem to be picking up the bass clef pretty quick.
I can play the C scale, F scale, and G scale pretty good. Understand the 1 Major, 2 minor, 3 minor, 4 Major, 5 Major, 6 relative minor, 7 diminished part of keys.
I also understand that the Major 7 is a half step below root, and Dominant 7 is a whole step below root.
I know the correct fingering for the 3 keys above, but need to learn to find correct fingering fast in songs. Guess this would be a good time for my First question for you about your book.
Starting with the first song, Hola on page 5, what is the best fingering to start with? I look at the second measure and see the E note, and think maybe I should save my thumb for that note, so I play the A in the first and second measure with my index finger. Is that the way you would do it?

Thanks again for helping us out here Pete.

Flat 7
Flat 7: Thanks for the questions.

For anyone wishing to join the thread the first lesson is available here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/05wxk8

Audio is available at my website: http:www.poppianopro.com


Fingering for Hola - I purposely did not include fingering thinking that you should get used to that situation pretty fast. If you purchase a fake book, no fingering is given.

Also, once I get you to add the Harmony, the fingering will change.

Finally, adding the fingering puts my chart into overload and makes it difficult to differentiate between fingering and LH pattern.

I have been both thanked for my decision of not adding the fingering (by teachers using the book) and told it would be helpful to add the fingering( by students using the book).


But, since you asked so nicely, for the single note RH version an updated file with fingering is available here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/h5egm7
Pete, your technique for arranging popular music seems to follow conventional methods. I mean, I discovered some time ago after looking closely at a typical piece of sheet music that the melody mirrors the exact same notes of the right hand chords.

I have always had this problems with sheet music, generally the artists NEVER plays it as printed.
Near the small keyboard section of our hypermarket Carrefour - that had 2 Yamahas and 3 even cheaper Delson's - there was this book, not for sale:

Steven Ashworth - Learn to Play Keyboards

It seemed quite nice, and starting with chords and inversions very early. Big reference section at end with all sorts of chords and voicings in visual format. Oriented to pop, accompaniment and some jazz, not extremely advanced stuff. Mostly simple technique and theory exercises, still keeping it fun.
Much less directive than Faber or Alfred - as it doesn't have any 'graded repertoire pieces' to practice on. The reader/learner has to supplant that with what pieces one likes (if they can be found at the appropriate level).

Faber is more general-purpose, is based on many pieces arranged progressively, including 'light classical' besides pop, traditional etc. May lead to a 'conservatory track' if pursued seriously deep enough.


Don't know Pop Piano Pro, cannot comment.
I could be wrong here (and I apologize in advance if I am), but why do I have this vague, uneasy feeling that this thread is a thinly disguised commercial or advertisement for a piano course that is for sale, and that the dialog in the thread has been pre-planned to sound spontaneous and normal, but is actually a "set up" to lure unsuspecting people to buy (lierally and figuratively) into that course (and the books, CDs, etc. that go with it)?

Regards, JF
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Originally posted by John Frank:
I could be wrong here (and I apologize in advance if I am), but why do I have this vague, uneasy feeling that this thread is a thinly disguised commercial or advertisement for a piano course that is for sale, and that the dialog in the thread has been pre-planned to sound spontaneous and normal, but is actually a "set up" to lure unsuspecting people to buy (lierally and figuratively) into that course (and the books, CDs, etc. that go with it)?

Regards, JF
Hi JF
I can assure you that Pete did not have anything at all to do with starting this thread. I purchased the book from his site, liked the things that he was teaching, and since it is above my level of playing, thought that it would be a good idea to create a support thread that everyone could help each other, by giving tips, and hopefully get me to the next level a little faster.
Before I purchased the book, here is the way that I found it on Piano World. I wanted to find out what most of you use for fake books, so I did a search on Piano World for Fake Book, and a post by Rodney came up saying that this course is the best thing that he has found in teaching people how to play from a fake book.
If the moderator is interested, I will give him the emails between Pete and myself where I asked him about giving some tips in a thread, and he responded saying the reason he never said anything about his book on Piano World is because it is against the forum rules.
I don't see what is wrong with someone that likes the book starting a thread asking others that may have it to make some suggestions ?????
The free lesson alone that he gave above, I think is a great resource for people wanting to learn Piano. I just don't understand why you would say that when all that I wanted to do was have a thread to support something that some other users on here may have ?????

Thanks,

Flat 7
blues flat 7 - Well, it may be only what you claim (and if so I apologize again) but it looked a little suspicious, and we've seen these sort of things so often here in the Forums that some of us are just a little "gun-shy" and cynical - I'm sure you know what I mean - PW has definite rules about using the Forums for commercial purposes which have always been stricly enforced and there always seems to be somebody trying to sneak in under the radar, so to speak, with one scheme or another. Some of us "old-timers" have a nose for these and usually can "smell" them pretty quickly.

If your recommendation is an unsolicited testimomial to what you think is a valuable learning resource then fine and good luck. If not . . .

Regards, JF
I also have this book a while back because I am interested in learning to improvise on a more intermediate level which is what this book says. I listened to the CD a few times already but because I have been so busy, I had not dug into the lessons yet. Sure is great if someone can follow through these lessons either here or if Pete has his own forum.

I agree with Flat 7 that it makes it easier when we study together. Actually a lot of threads are like that.

Actually if a piano book is good, it will speak for itself by the participation of the students. Just like if a site is good, it will speak for itself by the progress of the students playing. So there is no need to worry about luring anyone to buying anything. Most of us just want to play better.


Rosa smile
John Frank: I have been on the forum for the past 4 years. I have spent many hours trying to give helpful tips. I have been mindful of the forum rules. I am here because of a request from flat 7. Really, it's that simple.
Posted By: dannac Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 12/20/08 05:41 PM
Forget it Pete ....

All his post have the same tone ... guess he can't help it.

Glad you're helping out.
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Originally posted by rosa2007:
I also have this book a while back because I am interested in learning to improvise on a more intermediate level which is what this book says. I listened to the CD a few times already but because I have been so busy, I had not dug into the lessons yet. Sure is great if someone can follow through these lessons either here or if Pete has his own forum.

I agree with Flat 7 that it makes it easier when we study together. Actually a lot of threads are like that.

Actually if a piano book is good, it will speak for itself by the participation of the students. Just like if a site is good, it will speak for itself by the progress of the students playing. So there is no need to worry about luring anyone to buying anything. Most of us just want to play better.


Rosa smile
Hi Rosa, and Thank You...
I have seen a lot of your posts over at Piano Magic. Yes, I thought that it would be nice to get something started here to add to other methods of learning. Did not ever think that I would be accused of selling something. What a shame. Pete was nice enough to offer tips to help everyone at my request, then you get posts like that. Oh well, guess it takes all kinds.
I will send you a message over at Piano Magic Rosa. Been with Piano Magic for a year now, but have done a lot more reading than playing. Want to change that in 2009 and get to working with a couple of different methods hopefully for a few hours each day. I love Piano Magic. I asked Seaside Lee to stop by this thread when he gets a chance, thinking that it might be something that he would like to add to the Piano Magic method. He wrote me back and said he will after the first of the year, because he is kind of busy right now. I am leaving for 1 week myself on Tuesday, but hope to still be able to read the Piano World and Piano Magic forums.
Thanks again,

Flat 7
smile All the posts really speak for themselves here. You 'are' what you write.

It is obvious that blues flat 7 spirit is to share something good with us. I really appreciate that. Actually I put Pete's book aside because I've been too busy, but now that this thread is starting, I want to take hold of this opportunity to learn together.

We are also very fortunate to have the instructor willing to come in to help us. It's very obvious Pete just wants to help us at our different levels. Better than this we cannot get.

Rosa smile

Happy Holidays blue b7. I didn't even know who you are until now. wink My screen name is pretty obvious here and elsewhere. Maybe through this thread, we can get to know Pete too. And if we play better and better, why not promote his book further and further so more people get into the fun. We should!!
When you get Hola together, try putting the melody to Lionel Ritchie's Hello with your LH pattern. It should work. You should also find that your RH hand positions are pretty much where you want them. You can find the song here $4.95; http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0040432


Other songs that can take the throb pattern:
Gwen Stephanie - Don't speak
Police- Roxanne
I will paste that lesson link on this second page of the thread.
For anyone wishing to join the thread the first lesson is available here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/05wxk8

Audio is available at http://poppianopro.com

Pete uploaded a video of the fingering for Hola.
( Click Picture to see it )
<a href='http://album2.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album25&id=Hola_Fingering_Final_copy' title='Fingering for HOLA - Photo Sharing by MyPhotoAlbum'><img src='http://pix.myphotoalbum.com/a/al/alb/albu/album/album2/albums/album25/Hola_Fingering_Final_copy.thumb.jpg' border=0 alt='Fingering for HOLA - Photo Sharing by MyPhotoAlbum'></a>

Dale
Hi Pete and everyone

Just reading through after Dale asked me to take a look and this thread looks interesting but, am busy right now til after Xmas gigging.

I'm gonna have to take a look cause I've just listened to that roxanne .mp3 and it sounds fab. Bizarre really? because I had a big crowd singing along last night and someone wanted me to play Roxanne and it would have been brilliant if I could have played it like that!!!! laugh


Lee
If you are done with Hola here is a list of songs) that can take the 10th pattern:

Baby I Love Your Way - Peter Frampton

Can't Help Falling In Love - Elvis - An easier piece to learn

Don't Know Why - Norah Jones

Dust In the Wind - Kansas - Easier Song

Fly Me to the Moon -3/4 time - Sinatra - Easier song

Heaven-Bryan Adams

Longer - Dan Hill - easier song

One Hundred Years - 5 for Fighting

Send One Your Love - Stevie Wonder


Tiny Dancer-Elton John

Unbreak My Heart -Tony Braxton

You and Me - LifeHouse


If you are looking for charts: http://www.musicnotes.com/ is where I go online shopping.
You will have to convert the arranged version to lead sheet.

A big fake book is probably the best way to go.


While you are playing Hot tunes by fake sheet, you will learn chords, The quicker you get chords together the better.Once you learn a song in a given key, the next song in that same key will contain most of the same chords., so it will be a quicker study and already feel familiar.

A huge milestone in the learning process is getting all 12 major scales into your fingers even if it is 1 octave hands separate. While you are at it, get the major chords in all inversions into the fingers as well. Do that and a lot of what happens in music starts to make sense. Yes, it is a lot of work.


When I teach chords I do it by shape. The Bastien Books use this idea:

White White White (Icing chords) C,F,G.
White Black White(Inside out Oreo cookie chord) D,E,A
Black White Black(Oreo Chords) Db,Eb, Ab,
Mutant Oreos
Black White White Bb
White Black Black B
Black Black Black F#


Learning chords by playing tunes is a lot more fun than just buying a book of chord voicings and trying to plug through that.
Eventually the patterns get into your fingers and it''s like riding a bike. You will play a song and the patterns just jump into your fingers without any thought. It will just sound right.


Throb pattern teaches you chords in close voicing.
10th pattern will force you to know the notes that make up the chord. Knowing the notes that make up each chord is essential to putting together a lead sheet arrangement.
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Originally posted by Seaside_Lee:
[QB] Hi Pete and everyone

Just reading through after Dale asked me to take a look and this thread looks interesting
Hi Lee, careful here - you'll be expected to read a little music too - but seriously though, the examples Pete emailed me a few weeks back are superb!!
Another throb pattern I forgot I had in the collection:
Bloody Well Right:
Here is an improv lesson "Bloody Well Right You Can Improvise:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0z6bjv
smile Happy Holidays Everyone.

OK, I finished the first lesson on Hola, yes and even wrote my own hit. :p

That was a lot of fun as it got me out of mixing a variety of pattern in my LH. In the past, I've just stuck with one pattern when I improvise so that was a breakthrough. thumb

I am wondering if Pete would like to listen to it?

In the past, I am used to doing the kind of closed voicing, something like the stride. I've never really used 'throb' throughout a section. I am surprised that throb is a good pattern, and it is easy and rhythmic, quite good for variation.

In the progression of Hola, the B section where F goes to Bb and then to E. It sounds quite good. Is this a change of key here because there is no Bb and E chord in key of C?

Rosa

Oh, I love that progression: Am E/B Am/C C#dim -- the walking up bass sounds so good. laugh
Rosa: Please post your hit so we all get to enjoy your hard work. (It is humbling to think that a little exercise I put together has touched someone half way around the world.)

I see the Bb and E chords as leaving the key of C for exactly the reasons you have stated- there is no Bb or G# in the key of C.
Pg 17 of the book describes the chords are moving down a 5th at each chord change. Here the composer is visiting a different key center. This makes for more interesting music.

The progression is almost exactly the same as a typical progression found in baroque to pop music. The one chord that is different than Hola is the Bm7(b5) which in Hola is varied to Bb (One note different.)
This progression goes Dm7|G7|Cmaj7|Fmaj7|Bm7(b5)|E7|Am7| The progression modulates from C major into the new key center Am, the relative minor of C. These are the chords for the A section of Autumn leaves. (Begin with an A in the melody).Add the 10th pattern to the LH and now you got a pop ballad version of Autumn Leaves on your song list.

Another trick to try is to change Hola's chords from triads to 4 notes. For the A section try Am add9 ABCE to G6 GBDE to Fmaj7 FACE back to G6. Change E to E7 EG#BD.
If you feel ready try 4 note chords for the B section as well. I will post a quick lesson on A/B voicings in the next day or 2.-Happy piano ing
Pete, I used to live near where you live as I grew up in Vancouver. Now I live across the ocean from you.

Here is the link to my Hola HIT eek .

http://www.box.net/shared/vjdsalofyu

In section B bar 12, I extended that bar as I could not play so fast in that progression. Let me know if that bar sounds ok to you as I love the progression in that bar.

I didn't know this is the progression of Autumn Leaves. The Bb sounds like a good chord in place of Bdim. I never knew that. I always play Bdim for key of C. Bb works very well for some reason.

I'll have to try the add9 and 6 chord. I mainly used chord tones and added in a 7 or a 9 here and there.

Rosa
Rosa, wonderful recording.

Pete, you're book looks very good, it will be my next piano course.

Serge
Serge

Come on, join us here!

I've just ordered the book from Pete and looking forward to getting it.

Rosa, that was a really nice piece of work, well done!
Rosa: Your piece is wonderful. Extending the progression is just the kind of creativity that makes for wonderful magic to happen!
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Serge

Come on, join us here!

I've just ordered the book from Pete and looking forward to getting it.

Rosa, that was a really nice piece of work, well done!
yes I would like to but right now I have so many things to do at the piano. I just received PlayLikeMe DVD and after it's over with that I'll move to PopPianoPro.

Serge
Serge, Pete, RC, thanks for listening to the recording. I'm going to try out the 9ths and 6ths to see how different the piece can sound.

I've been used to free-style improvisation and just play anything for the last 2 years but I discovered that I sound the same all the time. Don't know how to make it different. So this time doing this exercise helps me break out of that shell.

This is not hard work at all. cool

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I'm gonna have to take a look cause I've just listened to that roxanne .mp3 and it sounds fab. Bizarre really?

Lee, I just had a listen to Roxanne. You can do it. You don't need to read music to do this. You just need to know what chord you are in. Don't boom, just keep chucking in an even rhythm with your LH. Don't do it too low at the piano.

Rosa
Rosa: When you are ready to move to House of the Moon there are a few licks to use in your improv. A bit bluesy

When you are done here are some songs that can take the Root Octave pattern:
Against All Odds-Phil Collins

California Dreaming- Queen Latfifa does a tasty version

Doin' it All for my Baby-Huey Lewis
Easy - Lionel Rithchie

I'M a Believer-Monkeys -Easier song-

It Might Be you- Theme from Tootsie easier song

Maybe I'm Amazed -Paul McCartney

True - Spandau Ballet
Pete, as you know I have been taking weekly lessons and although I am progressing very well I think I need to put some of the technique and learning into practice. I play mainly classical pieces from various sources that my teacher provides and they are very good pieces to develop reading and technical skills.

AS you know my aim is to play songs by The Beatles, The Carpenters and solo Paul McCartney. I am pleased that you will be able to help me fulfill my dreams here.
Pete, I am working on House of the Setting Moon. I like those triplets there. I've never played bluesy improv before.

I was doing F chord and followed that same procedure you have there for lick 2, so can I play Ab and C together and slide down from Ab to A. It sounds ok to me. That will change it to Fm chord though.

I notice for the Bb7, it is Ab there and for Lick 2, it is G# and D (which is Ab and D). I am just wondering if I am seeing a pattern in this song that the G# or Ab sounds good in this song. Is this the tone that makes this song bluesy?

Rosa
Rosa: The sound that you are noticing is the tritione which is the interval (distance between 2 notes of #4 or b5) . This interval is found in a dominant function chords,( a big word that means C7 or G7 or X7). Yes, this gives the bluesy sound.

In a G7 chord, GBDF you find this interval between the B and F (3rd and 7th). When you play blues in major, you can change all the major chords to dominant chords, so C becomes C7 and now you start sounding bluesy-er.

I purposely did not discuss this topic in my book. 4 note chords are not the easiest concept to deal with. Yes you are only adding 1 more note to the chord but that makes the situation a lot more complex.

The scale I am using for the solo is the D minor blues scale: D,F,G,Ab,A C D. RH fingering 1,2 3 4, 1,2,3
You can play this scale through all the chords in the song. Add a couple of the licks to it and things tighten up and you will sound like a pro with the blues.

*there is a typo on the solo chart. Please add an F chord bar 5 beat 3 between Dm and G7.
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Ragtime clown: I hope my book is able to open up a bit of freedom in your playing. Things are happening fast here on this thread and I will try to get back to you soon.
The book "the Ultimate POP ROCk fake book" Hal Leonard HL00240099 contains 8 Beatles songs and 10 Carpenters songs which already makes it worth the price. There a 582 other songs as well.
Peter, I think you should consider doing the following:

1. Expand your website to feature video tutorials and demonstrations
2. Add a forum to discuss your methods
3. Introduce an annual fee for membership to access the forum and in particular your video demonstrations

The membership fee would hopeful pay your costs and time.
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Another trick to try is to change Hola's chords from triads to 4 notes. For the A section try Am add9 ABCE to G6 GBDE to Fmaj7 FACE back to G6. Change E to E7 EG#BD.
If you feel ready try 4 note chords for the B section as well. I will post a quick lesson on A/B voicings in the next day or 2.-Happy piano ing
Pete,
I am really glad that I started this thread, and I love the way that you are describing chords here by spelling them out. That will really help the play by ear people out a lot. I am informing a few of the people over at Piano Magic about this thread because I think it will be a lot of fun for them too, especially since you are playing some songs for everyone to get in their ears.
Mike,over at Piano Magic, teaches that 10th pattern, so that goes along fine with your free lesson that you posted. As you know, I own your book, and can't wait to get started with the things that you have posted here as soon as I get home from my 1 week trip to Ohio.
Thanks for all of your help (WORK) on the thread Pete...

Dale aka blues flat 7
Ragtime Clown: Thanks for the encouragement. Let's see if I can't get you playing a Carpenters song before I take on the world.


Rosa: I promised you 4 note chords for the B section of Hola. Here is a mini lesson: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jt4bb3
You will have to change the Bm7b5 to Bb Maj7 (BbDFA) to make things work Hola.
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 12/28/08 06:32 PM
smile Hi Everyone: Thanks to invitations from Dale, Rosa, and Pete, I also want to join in on this thread. I've just ordered Pete's book and rec'd an email saying it's in the mail....thanks Pete. This is so great that Pete is helping us on this thread and looks very interesting.

I have a question on this first lesson. For the rhythm on the RIGHT HAND do we keep that same rhythm but use different notes, or do we make up our own rhythm pattern in right hand? Also, reading the instructions, it seems that we are supposed to land on those guide tones in the right hand and I'm wondering if this is necessary or can we just make up our own right hand melody completely?

Thanks,
Alene: Thanks for joining the thread.
For the right hand melody - write your hit- make up your own rhythm. If you are having a hard time, keep it very simple.
The guide tones are there simply to get some creative juices flowing. You can use them but shift them rhythmically or if you have an idea that does not follow the guide notes, please use your own idea.
The point of the exercise is to find a starting point , keep in mind the notes of scale or arpeggio, and hear your way to the end of the phrase.
Keep playing the LH over in small 2 bar sections and try to feel where the music wants to flow.

Sometimes when I write my idea on paper, I see a pattern that I did not even hear, and then edit to work the idea.

Once you get your melody down, it helps to put it away and come back to it. I find I can get so invovled I can not tell if it's good or bad. If I leave it, work on something else and come back to the piece a few weeks later, I have the advantage of hearing it as though it was someone else's work. It gives me a much better perspective in the editing process.
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 12/28/08 07:54 PM
smile Thanks Pete....that was a perfect answer to my questions and good additional advice too. This is going to be fun!

Thanks,
Alene
Pete, thanks for the 4 chord LH voicing. I seldom use inversions in LH but it works fine. Moving down the chord a 5th down is very easy as you just alternate changing the 2 fingers. I also see how you just break away from that walking down voicing so that it doesn't get too low and muddy. I'll try that out on Hola again with the G6 and Am9 on the RH.

OK, for lesson 2, so it is the tritone sound.

How come for your Dm you play C#. I don't see C# in Dm nor in Dm scale.

I just use plain C.

What is your reasoning for using C#?

Rosa

Al, glad to see you here. You are going to enjoy it. I'm sure.
Rosa: You ask good questions.


If you were to use D minor blues scale DFG G# A C D on your improv you will be playing C as natural.

I am using the D Harmonic scale DEFGABbC#D to produce my melody at this part of the song. I am working a little idea that goes DC#D (R7R) then FEF and then GFG on each of the chord changes. This is melody pattern is called a lower neighbor tone. I like the 1/2 step between the D and C#. It has more pull than a C natural. (The word leading tone is used to describe the C#.)

Just because I use a D harmonic minor to produce my melody, does not mean you can not use the Dm blues scale on your improv and use a C in that part of the song.

Here is a little tip-try playing an A major arpeggio over the last Dm chord for a fancy ending. I play DAF (10th pattern in my LH and run through AC#E as an arpeggio(RH fingering 135 repeated) You are just moving the RH up an octave for each arpeggio. Classical pianist may think the fingering is incorrect but you will find their arpeggios do not sound as stylistically appropriate as the tricks I use. I touch on some of the arpeggios later in the book.

If you get a chance, please post an improv on the chords for House. smile
I have started posting Root Octave pattern audio examples in the post above.
The Carpenters-Top of the World

Just wanted to give you an up-date, Peter. This evening I marked a verse and corus up on manuscript paper and used the tips that I read in the 'Hola' tutorial to expand the single note melody to chords and harmonise the bass line.

Well, in the key of Bb I may play around with two-note chords before I go to triads. Triads may not sound as good as playing the melody note as a fifth and a first below it (there must be a name for this type of chord, Peter??).

The harmonised left hand is quite easy and may I say obvious. Its a lot easier to write it than play it as it really is good practice for a weak left hand!

I feel I'm on the right track, will keep you posted.
If anyone wants to join Ragtime Clown in his quest to learn a Carpenters song you will need to get a copy of Top of the World in Bb. You can find it here for $4.95 http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0015699

It is a good idea to transfer the song to lead sheet format.


Arranging tips on 2 beat pattern: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7jerll
This is an interesting thread. A while ago I started a thread asking some specific questions as a result, I did get a copy of the lesson Pete posted on this thread (legally, Pete did give it to me ), my reaction at the time was, huh confused
Now a little down the road it is beginning to make sense. One day I will have enough confidence to attempt the course.
Dave: Let me know what level your at and see if we can't get you going now.
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Rosa: I promised you 4 note chords for the B section of Hola. Here is a mini lesson: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jt4bb3
You will have to change the Bm7b5 to Bb Maj7 (BbDFA) to make things work Hola.

Hi Pete, in the B section, I used your mini lesson in page 2 on the 4 note chords on the LH and continued on with the throb pattern. I changed to Bb.

For the RH I did Am add9 G6 Fmaj7.
Can you hear the difference?

There is still some thinking going on.... but everyone here, do have a listen Hola Hit 2 :p

http://www.box.net/shared/02qrqat493

Thanks for explaining the C# in the Dm. I will work on House improv next and post a recording.

Rosa
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If anyone wants to join Ragtime Clown in his quest to learn a Carpenters song you will need to get a copy of Top of the World in Bb. You can find it here for $4.95 http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0015699

It is a good idea to transfer the song to lead sheet format.

Audio for my arrangement: http://www.sendspace.com/file/0aocgh

Arranging tips on 2 beat pattern: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7jerll

I'll join in the fun to play On Top of the world. (You can tell we are in the same age group). I did mine in the key of D. Bb sounds very low to me. Thanks for preparing the pdf Pete.

Let me know if this is on the right track:

http://www.box.net/shared/naufyls2rz

Rosa
Rosa, your contribution to this thread has been enormous.Your recordings are so nice and can only fuel my desire to play like you.

My playing level is obviously lower than yours and thats why theres a struggle at this end!
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Dave: Let me know what level your at and see if we can't get you going now.
PM sent, I really don't want to hijack the topic, for the most part I am just reading and soaking up the comments.
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
[b] Dave: Let me know what level your at and see if we can't get you going now.
PM sent, I really don't want to hijack the topic, for the most part I am just reading and soaking up the comments. [/b]
Dave, You will not be hijacking the thread. I wanted to see if Pete would give some tips on his book with this thread, and we are all getting much more than expected. The audios that Pete and Rosa are doing are a big help. Any question that you ask here in the thread Dave, is going to help everyone.

Dale aka blues flat 7
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Originally posted by blues flat 7:
Dave, You will not be hijacking the thread. I wanted to see if Pete would give some tips on his book with this thread, and we are all getting much more than expected. The audios that Pete and Rosa are doing are a big help. Any question that you ask here in the thread Dave, is going to help everyone.

Dale aka blues flat 7
In a nutshell, as I take lessons and as I use the Alfred's course, practice scales, etc. I see me improving daily, what I do not see is heading in a direction I want to be in. All the things I am doing I have no doubt it will help me learn the piano. Some of the examples I have listened to on this thread is the direction I would like to go in.
I use a quote from you in the opening post
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I do not really care at all for classical, so that is out
I am similar, I do like some classical and would like to play some classical pieces well, but that is not my goal or the direction I would like to go in.
I did get some DVD lessons from Mr Music Canada and I was surprised I did manage to get a couple his songs down quite well albeit not up to speed yet. I am not sure at this stage of the game if I am ready for the course, but my thoughts are my whole reason for me wanting to learn piano is right in that course, going off the information I have read and the samples I have heard.
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Originally posted by Dave123:
All the things I am doing I have no doubt it will help me learn the piano. Some of the examples I have listened to on this thread is the direction I would like to go in.
I did get some DVD lessons from Mr Music Canada and I was surprised I did manage to get a couple his songs down quite well albeit not up to speed yet. I am not sure at this stage of the game if I am ready for the course, but my thoughts are my whole reason for me wanting to learn piano is right in that course, going off the information I have read and the samples I have heard.
I know what you mean. I have been jumping around a lot with different methods, but mostly reading so far.
Pete, I do have one question and there is no hurry. Just anytime that you get a chance, would you be able to leave a few tips on transfering that music to lead sheet? Don't leave any of the music but just the way you think when writing the lead sheet. I did purchase the Carpenters song from the link you posted above.
Maybe Rosa or Alene knows too ???

Thanks,
Dale
aka blues flat 7
Rosa: I like your 2nd version of Hola very much. You are keeping busy on this song. I have one more worksheet for you. I got this idea from your version of Top of the World. Once again, you have changed things up, and created your own version which is so wonderful about playing by lead sheet.
So the idea is this. You are playing a lot of Root 5th and octave root pattern in Top of the World. You are a small step away from using the Latin Stride pattern. Find it here in this handout; http://www.sendspace.com/file/1hbg6x

The handout contains the Latin stride pattern for the B section of Hola.
Also, my tips about using 4 note chords in the A section of Hola were meant for the LH stride pattern. You will see a quick example of that at the top of the handout.

I will post some Latin stride songs. This pattern is also useful for pop ballad style, latin and Tango. It depends on how smooth or accented you play it.
My favorite song with this pattern is Hotel California.


Ragtime Clown; Thanks for sending me your hard work. I hope the suggestions I emailed you are of assistance.

Dave: Hang around. I am writing a set of easy blues pieces to get walking bass lines down. You may be able to get started on that. I will PM you when they get posted.

Blues Flat 7: Most of the songs I find are in Piano /Vocal/ Guitar format. That means they are often 6 or more pages long. Often a whole page is written out because 1 syllable is added in the second verse.

I use Finale print music to write out my sheets. My handwriting is a big mess and my handwritten charts are often a mystery even to me.

When creating my lead sheet, I often leave out the intro from the PVG chart unless there is a specific hook. I write out the top line(singers part) and the chords symbols above the singers line.
I usually write out the whole piece and then edit out any verses that are repeats with a slight variation. (No one has ever complained so far.)

If there is a section of the song that is not working on the piano, I will dump that too. No one has ever complained about that either.

If there are any odd sections like a measure of music that makes sense on the recording but doesn't fiton the piano arrangement, I get the axe out and chop. I end up with a tighter arrangement.Most songs I fit on a single sheet or half of the next.

If I was teaching Top of the World at my studio, I would only pencil in the LH notes onto the lead sheet (Bb F in bar 1) in measures where the chord shows up in the piece the first time. Should the chord appear a second time, I leave that LH pencil marks blank. This means my student has got to go back to where the chord has appeared for the first time. This gets a bit frustrating and soon just learning the notes of the chord is easier than repeatedly going back to find the first appearance of the chord.

I used to write everything out and be nice , but found no one really got the information into their head when it was easier just to read my notes. 5 years later, they still could not play a simple chord without assistance.

Writing out charts is work. I have several fake books with 1000 songs. However, I am always looking for the best songs. e,g.Roxanne cost me 25 bucks because I could only find it in a whole book. The rest of the Police material did not sound outstanding when played as a solo piano arrangement. (I have lots of $25 songs). Musicnotes .com is a God send for being able to download a single song.

I could transcribe the song off the recording but the time it would take makes the $25 a better deal (if time is money).

I have been doing this since I was 14 and that was 1974.
I have learned a lot about picking the right song- The hardest part of playing Pop by lead sheet is finding good songs that can take the pattern treatment. If it cant take the pattern approach, mediocre is the best the song will sound on solo piano arrangement. If you like American Songbook Standards, it is easy to find songs.
Pete, its amazing how a simple two-beat pattern can throw you. I've started by playing the two beat pattern on the left hand and throb style chords on right. i think this is important in order that I develop the pattern without the complication of adding melody fills. Would you agree?
Thanks Ragtime Clown for your kind words and Pete for the help you are giving to each one of us.

I looked at the pdf file and really like the Latin stride pattern you put there. I never thought of playing it like that. I always play the first beat octave and then come up to play on the 2nd beat. But the way you notated is very very very .... (indeedy) easy to play and I love it. thumb I'll try to see if I can incorporate this into On Top of the World.

We don't want to overwork you. So what you do for Ragtime clown and Dave123 about the blues, and b7, you can just post everything here and we will all feast on everything you offer. I like the songs that Clown chooses so we can work on common things together.

Hey, it's already new year in HK. I have already stepped into 2009. Want to wish Pete and everyone here a Happy Fun Year 2009!!!! 3hearts

Rosa
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/01/09 12:26 AM
smile Hi Everyone and Happy New Year!

Rosa, your recordings are really nice and along with Pete's, I'm inspired to give it a try. I haven't rec'd the book yet,of course, but I'm trying out the first lesson.

This still needs work and the recording button scares me witless but I'm hoping to learn so if I don't give it a try I'll be missing the opportunity Pete is giving us....which is really appreciated.

http://www.box.net/shared/b6xecgliq7

I tried putting in the 4-note chords on the A section and the 10th in the B section....while a lot of thinking was going on so it's not too smooth.

Any help would be appreciated!

Alene
Alene: Holy Smokes! Lots of good ideas happening in your improv. I am glad you are having to think. I hope it means you are learning some new tricks and pushing your boundaries.
I loved the little chromatic line on the last 4 chords. I was thinking that an E major arpeggio would fit on top of your final Am chord to keep the tension going. This would give you Am(maj9) which is a big word for E major / Aminor.
Keep pushing that record button. And keep playing things over many times. You will get smoother the more you do this.
I hope you are having fun.

Rosa: Since we are on the topic of Carpenter's and Latin stride, try We've only just Begun - Latin stride A section, Straight stride B section
Happy New Year All!
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/01/09 04:43 AM
smile Hi Pete: Thank you so much for the comments and the tip about playing the Am(Maj9) for the last arpeggio. I just tried it and I'm going to like it with some practice. That's such an easy way to remember what any minor(Maj 9) chord is...just play the minor chord with it's 5th in a major chord above....how neat!

I haven't used some of these different rhythm patterns so it's fun to learn them plus haven't done a lot of improvising so have lots to learn.

This is a great thread and so nice of you to help us out. thumb

Alene
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Alene: Holy Smokes! Lots of good ideas happening in your improv............
Keep pushing that record button.

Way to go Al!!! thumb I am so glad you posted your recording. Yes, keep pushing that record button....and post them for all of us to enjoy. Thanks for a great recording.

Pete, great.....I'm going to try We've only just begun.....great song. RagClown, are you joining us? You'll love playing this song. smile

Rosa
Rosa and Alene, you are really putting on the pressure here. I feel that I'm being left behind here. I get up this morning to find one of my favorite Carpenters tunes given the full treatment by Pete our maestro, he really has the knack of simplifying everything on the piano so far.

Written arrangements of many songs I look at are beyond me but with Pete he seems to take the complexity out of everything.

I have to spend the next few days putting a lot of his lessons to practice and more to the point, joining in on the recording!

PS. I'm really getting into Hola. I think this is a good starting point before I take on The Carpenters.


Happy New Year to all!
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Originally posted by Ragtime Clown:
Rosa and Alene, you are really putting on the pressure here. I feel that I'm being left behind here.
RC, I am the one that is being left behind. I tried Hola today, and the left hand chords went fine, but the right hand fingering of the melody is my problem. I am reading the notes fine, I just always stumble on fingering. Hope to get over this.

Happy New Year Everyone....

Dale
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/02/09 04:23 AM
Pete: Your recording Of "We've only just Begun" was beautiful and I know we all want to sound like you do but it's fun trying.

Dale & Tony: You are not being left behind, it's just that we are all learning something different than what we are used to....you'll notice I had many mistakes too. I must stay on this first lesson trying to learn all the patterns for rhythm and being free with that right hand melody so don't worry we just all have to work with what we can....baby steps will get us there, we hope! Plus Pete's guidance!

It's lots of fun to work together on things and we can learn from each other also so no pressure from me as you can tell that I struggle too.

Alene
Alene: About sounding like me- Don't compare how you sound with how I sound. It is not fair unless we are on the same instrument.
I have invested heavily into a Mac computer and Ivory piano plug in software. I sound good without even playing a note.

My hot tip is that it is easy to pedal too much on a digital. Dampers are usually full on or right off on a digital . Not the most realistic situation. Editing the pedaling can take a lot of time when I am working a project.

Blues Flat 7: I suggest working RH alone in small sections to get the fingering down. Bar 8 is not exactly easy.

To All: I start the pop piano pro material with my students once we have reached Faber Piano Adventures level 3b. I would encourage you to keep up your method book work to the end of level 3 before dedicating too much time to my book. If you can work with a good teacher, you will progress much more rapidly.
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To All: I start the pop piano pro material with my students once we have reached Faber Piano Adventures level 3b. I would encourage you to keep up your method book work to the end of level 3 before dedicating too much time to my book. If you can work with a good teacher, you will progress much more rapidly.
*waves hand in air with next dumb question smile *
what is level 3 Faber piano equate to in other methods, particularly Alfred's that I am working with?
Dave: I would advise completing level 2 Alfred's Adult Method book before I would proceed too far into my stuff. You need some basics.
Okily-dokily
Here is my version of We've Only Just Begun for the new Year 2009.

http://www.box.net/shared/83jh37lgup :rolleyes:

I really like this Latin stride pattern.
Do let me know what you all think. We are in this together so any comments help. (Ragclown, there is no such thing as falling behind, we are all beginning together. wink )


Pete, can you see if the A section sounds right? I can't do what you did in Section B so I just went back to my comfy Octave - 5th. I could not do the Latin stride in Section B.

Pete, the audio you did for us really helps. If I didn't hear how you play that stride pattern, I would have played it much too fast, so thanks for doing the audio for us.

I am wondering if it is possible for you to post midi files instead so that we can see what you are doing. Sometimes I have to listen and guess from the mp3.

I think it would help if we can do lots of songs with this Latin stride, so that eventually it becomes auto pilot and we can easily apply to lots of songs. Is this Latin 2 beat stride applying to a 4/4 song here?

Rosa
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/02/09 04:48 PM
smile Rosa, that was beautiful! This is a different stride pattern for me too, so I'm practicing it so I can apply to other songs. Fun to listen to yours and Pete's both. Thanks for posting it.

Alene
Rosa: You are a quick learner. Nice work!
Here are a couple of arranging tips.
Right at bar 1 -We've only just begun in the melody-I hear that as a pickup measure. I play a chord on beat 1 and leave out the LH pattern for that bar. It breaks the pattern up. Even if you get 1 bar different in a whole song it tends to just give a bit of relief.
Section B all I am doing is a straight stride pattern (Root Chord)
What you are doing works fine too. smile

Midi files: Sorry. SInce you can print the file, I am sure that it would be copyright infringement to post it.
Also-I can not stress how important it is to listen and figure it out. It may take some time to get that skill down but it will give you wings. I learned the skill by taping my lessons and going home and listening over and over.

You can use latin pattern in 4/4 as well. Just double the value of the notes in the pattern so you get dotted quaater, eighth , quarter, quarter.
I downloaded the Hola piece and was amazed how well I was able to put it together. I just used the "thros" so far, but like the sound of this so far.

In the 13th measure?? there is a C#DIM...and it does not sound right. Anyone know whats up with that?

I just might be able to play the pop/rock stuff I always wanted using this method. I think my 2 years in Alfred is making this workable.

Wow...
Mark: The diminished chord falls on the seventh degree of the D harmonic minor scale. It is often used to lead into the tonic. It would sound tense if you play it slow or park before you reach the Dm chord.
If you still don't like it, try replacing it with the E/B that is in the same bar and see that works for you. (Did Beethoven ever suggest changing his stuff?) smile

I hope you are enjoying the lesson. Keep us posted on your progress.
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Mark: The diminished chord falls on the seventh degree of the D harmonic minor scale. It is often used to lead into the tonic. It would sound tense if you play it slow or park before you reach the Dm chord.
If you still don't like it, try replacing it with the E/B that is in the same bar and see that works for you. (Did Beethoven ever suggest changing his stuff?) smile

I hope you are enjoying the lesson. Keep us posted on your progress.
Thanks Peter
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Originally posted by rosa2007:
Here is my version of We've Only Just Begun for the new Year 2009.
Do let me know what you all think. We are in this together so any comments help.
Rosa
Rosa,
I like it. You are really doing very well with Pop Piano Pro. It is back to the Method Book for me for a while. I can do the chords fine, but I am sooooo slow on the fingering of the melody, that I better get in a lot of right hand work on the Piano.

Pete,
You mentioned Fabers 3B. Did you mean the Popular Repertoire Piano Adventures books? I purchased 3A, 3B, 4, and 5. They have a lot of nice songs in them and will keep me busy for a while. I will also work on learning inversions from your book. Starting on Puff the Magic Dragon in 3A.
This one I can handle. Hope to get back to Hola soon.

Dale
Thanks all for listening to my piece. My Latin stride is very stiff because I am not used to it. Pete's is very soothing but now that I know I am on the right track, I'll practice this with a few other songs like On top of the world, Puff the magic dragon, love story, etc.

Pete, thanks for the arranging tip. I will try the Root chord for section B.

I didn't realize there is the copyright issue with midi files. Thanks for letting me know.

Yes Dale, this pop piano method is working very well, esp when Pete does the audio for us to listen to. I can't stress how important these audios are because when I just read and try to apply, I tend to play everything too fast and miss the real flavor, and they don't sound good.

Also thanks Pete for all these extra tips and suggestions. You are really GREAT.

Rosa
Latin Stride audio:
Fields of Gold

Good Bye Yellow Brick Road


Hotel California -wait for the verse


I'm not in Love
I'm on 'Top of the World' as my copy of the 'Pop Piano Pro' arrived this morning. I am really looking forward to working through it.

For anyone in doubt about this method, can I say that for two days I have been working slowly through Hola and have been able to develop a nice left hand patter, play melody notes at reasonable pace, increase my sight reading ability and apply these same techniques on other pieces.

Pete, I know this is a massive request but a video with overhead camera would be so welcome! Your latest recordings 'Goodbye Yellow Brick Road' and 'Hotel California' are excellent.
Ragtime Clown: Glad you are making progress. I am hoping others are getting it as well.
Pete, great show! The reason I download the tracks is so I can play them in the car when driving. Its fills me with inspiration and ideas.

I have to confess that I'm a Beatles ballad fan, not much of what they did after Sgt.Pepper had the same appeal to me.

My favourites are If I fell, I'll Follow the Sun, Michelle and Girl. There is a nice version of 'If I Fell', played by the wonderful composer Henry Mancini here http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nPXa1SaYTXU He uses a mix of arpeggios and jazzy chords to play this wonderful tune.
Apologies for the poor rendition of Hola but I just wanted to kick start my recordings. Heres is a very infantile version of Hola, mistakes and all.

I wanted to show that I was making an effort here!

http://www.box.net/shared/uxuk2bx4os
RC, way to go considering you only got your book today. Also it's good to post work in progress so that we can hear how we progress. Besides this is not a recital thread but a learning thread and we can learn from one another through listening to each other's recordings and with Pete coming in with his advice and suggestions.

Rosa
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/03/09 06:38 PM
smile Hi Rc: I'm really glad you posted your recording as we are all learning together and it's hard to play patterns that we haven't played before while trying to improvise in the right hand also. You did good! If you are like me, that recording button can really be challenging but it's good for us to get used to it and hopefully we'll get over it somewhat. I really enjoyed listening and hearing the new things that you came up with to add to our bag of tricks.

Alene
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/03/09 06:54 PM
smile Hi Pete: Those recordings are really nice and sound gorgeous! I'm a little confused on the stride pattern that you are using...my ears on listening aren't so good, LOL! Are you using the stride pattern from the pdf that you posted earlier or as in Rosa's post where she asked about the 4/4 time and you stated to play as a dotted quarter, 8th, quarter quarter? I've been practicing using your pdf printout but I guess we could do both also.
Thanks,
Alene
Ragtime Clown: Thanks for posting. That may be the sweetest ending I have ever heard. Your trill made me smile big. Hey , nice job on improvising too. Your A section is tight ,yes the E chord at the end is a bit tough eh? - (Heh Heh. I did not know I write Canadian)
Section B Youur tenths are in there. Can you say the notes in each of the chords? - That is the goal of the tenth exercise. Knowing the notes of the chord is handy especially when harmonizing the RH.
I think piano is so much harder than strumming the chords on guitar. The fret board symbols never really force the guitarist to really know each note of the chord.
The walk up is tricky. Playing it over daily for a week or two ought to loosen it up.
You made my day!
Alene: Here is a pdf example of Latin Stride pattern with 1 chord per measure: http://www.sendspace.com/file/gsp4di
It is the same pattern but the note values are doubled.
Most PVG charts are in 16th feel so I would use the pattern twice per bar (as in the first handout). For music with eighth note feel I would use the pattern once per measure as in the handout in this post. The difference is feeling it in 2 beats or 4 beats.
Pete: Thanks for the feedback. Glad I made you smile! There are several things there that require some work and I'm quite happy to do it. It is a nice piece. I have recorded another version this evening and there is some slight improvement. The runs are coming easier - that E chord is so easy in the right hand - heck its tricky in the left.

Hola-Take2

http://www.box.net/shared/8utptbsyjq
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/04/09 03:07 AM
Thanks Pete, I now understand what you were saying about the stride so I guess I was practicing correctly. My kids will be here soon for a delayed Christmas so I may disappear for a few days but will be back when I can.
Alene
Posted By: Elssa Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/04/09 06:02 AM
Hi, all. smile This is a great thread, and I've been enjoying everyone's recordings! I especially like Pete's Latin stride rhythm pattern. Just wondering, can that be used for something like "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow"? Thanks. smile
Elssa, welcome to the most amazing piano thread. I have been working through several handouts and tutorials and I can tell you that although there is nothing new in these methods, the secret lies with the absolute ease by which it has been presented.

The book that many of us are working from is one of the single-most important companion books for any budding pianist.

Everyone here would agree that Pete has helped us all here and to date my playing see's great improvement and development.
RC, the hola take 2 is quite nice.

Pete, I tried the Latin stride rhythm pattern on an easier song. Since it is still holiday, I did Jingle Bells.

I think I am getting a hang of the LH stride, esp your fingering that makes this stride so easy. In the past, I used wrong handahape fingering so the chord part was very difficult to do. Now it is very easy.

I added in some rhythmic beat on the RH. I tried to follow what you did with a different rhythm at the end of your ON Top of the World but I don't know what you did, so I try to imitate.

Thanks for doing the audios for us. They all sound so good but I need time to spend more time listening.

Am I able to keep the beat with those synocpated Latin feel?

http://www.box.net/shared/tkivzn3org cool

Once I get a good feel of this Latin rhythm I want to apply this to Hola Section B improv that you mentioned. But now I need to play this with other songs to get comfy.

Rosa
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/04/09 06:00 PM
smile This is such a fun thread, thanks to Pete and everyone that is participating.

RC: Your take 2 on Hola is very nice....good improvement (that's what I'm trying for too). I can hear the confidence in your playing also as we get more practice on it. Good for you! Fun listening to it!

Rosa: I really liked your Jingle Bells and sounded great to me. I'm doing the same as you and practicing that rhythm on lots of songs so it becomes a habit.

Elssa: Glad you joined us, I know you will enjoy it and can't wait to hear your beautiful playing!

Alene
Elssa: Welcome to the thread. I took a quick listen to your blog pieces. Nice playing.

What I am trying to do is use the same techniques as you have learned for the standards and update the repertoire. I can not get too many 10 year old students interested in Misty.

I sometimes use latin pattern for what I would call pop 8 beat songs - which is where I would file Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow. On that song, I might try single note LH playing roots, (sometimes catching a 5) and 3 note chord RH to harmonize the melody.

Also try Latin Stride on any song with Bossa as a suggested rhythm. It will likely work.

Rosa: I am not sure Latin Stride will work on Hola section B. I just posted the Latin Stride using that progression because it is common and you are familiar with it. I would suggest trying Autumn Leaves instead.

Ragtime Clown: I am glad you are enjoying the book. Keep up the hard work!

Everyone:
So tomorrow I go back to teaching which means this thread is not going to get as much attention from me.

The thread has wandered a bit. I would like to keep it focussed on the book material.I posted the audio to give an idea of where patterns can take a song. I just will not have time to discuss other material.

Please, those of you working through my book, keep posting your progress and questions and I will get back to you asap.


Keep plugging through the book - More patterns and fills and fun fun fun.

I suggest trying to harmonize Hola pg 8. I have not heard a posting with that. RH harmony is an important step to making arrangements sound full.
Pete, I have been harmonising Hola all day but heck can I get anything right for my recordings. I've been using the Dm, F, G and Bb chords - they sound great but I need to slow everything down to come in right after the chord with the melody again.

I understand you can't devote much time from tomorrow and like yourself, tomorrow the college I work in is open again and its back to my teaching also - carpentry!!
Posted By: Elssa Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/05/09 02:33 AM
Thanks, Pete, for your audio. I think that dotted rhythm/Latin bass works very well with this song, "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow". I learned the chord pattern theme (1-6-2-5) for this song by ear from studying with Piano Magic. Do you get into these chord progressions with your course/book? Thanks again.
Elssa; I use 1 6 2 5 in one piece but the book is more about LH patterns, melody harmonization, fills. There are a lot of books that deal with theory and chord progressions.
You can hear the material at my website http://www.poppianopro.com - check the listening booth.
Posted By: Elssa Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/05/09 04:56 AM
Pete; I'm not able to "view pages from the book" or "view pattern samples" for some reason. Nothing happens when I click on the links at your site.
Elssa: I do not know what the problem is. I got there through the link in my last post. Try this:
http://www3.telus.net/poppianopro/DETAIL/PATNSMP1.PDF
http://www3.telus.net/poppianopro/DETAIL/INSIDBOK.PDF
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Elssa: I do not know what the problem is. I got there through the link in my last post.
I tried the link in your last post also Peter and it worked for me too.
Hi Elssa! I listen to a lot of your music over at Piano Magic and you play very well. Glad you are checking out Pop Piano Pro. I think you will like it. Alene is getting the book, and Rosa already has it.

Elssa, if your browser is not working or something, I can download them for you and attach them to a email. You would have to leave me your email address either here on Piano World to blues flat 7, or over at Piano Magic to bigbeardale.

Dale
Dale, do we have this interest from by ear members because it no longer has an active teacher?

I think it would be nice to see everyone who joins the thread buy the book and support what efforts Pete is putting our way.
Ragtime Clown: Sorry it took me so long to put the pieces together. You like the Carpenters because you teach Carpentry?
Posted By: JerryG Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/05/09 02:55 PM
Pete,

Do you plan a more advanced book. Would certainly like to see how you put together Georgia.
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Originally posted by Ragtime Clown:
Dale, do we have this interest from by ear members because it no longer has an active teacher? I didn't renew my membership in October because of his absence!

I think it would be nice to see everyone who joins the thread buy the book and support what efforts Pete is putting our way.
Hi RC,
No, Mike still answers users questions over at Piano Magic. That is not the reason I started this thread at all. Rosa already had the Pop Piano Pro book, and I bought it back in the summer time. It is a little advanced for me, so the thread is working Great on getting questions answered from Peter.
I like Piano Magic too, and will stay with it. This is just a nice extra for anyone that wants to read music too, so I did tell a few of the Piano Magic members that this thread would be nice to add to what they are doing.
As far as buying the book, I agree. I think that it is a great help to everyone and that everyone should have a copy of it in their Piano Method collection. The book is not all that expensive anyways, and comes with a CD that has all of the songs that are in the book.
Another BONUS on this thread, is Peter offered help with the Fabers Piano Adventures method book, so anyone that wants to learn to read and play music from a book, can get tips from a teacher right here.

Dale
Dale, to avoid any negative feedback I clearly stated in my last post by ear members and NOT piano magic !
Jerry: I have started composing for a second more advanced book. However, marketing a book is a daunting task. No major publisher is willing to accept submissions and pedalling a book is pretty tricky. .
With regard to Georgia. A section -Stride LH. Section B throb pattern LH. Add a couple of blues licks as fills and you are good to go.
Posted By: text Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/05/09 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Ragtime Clown:
Dale, do we have this interest from by ear members because it no longer has an active teacher? I didn't renew my membership in October because of his absence!
If you were still a member you would know that is a fallacious statement.
My understanding is that this thread is supposed to be a help line for those who are studying mye book. My email box has turned into something quite different and I do not like the tone of what is going on in the last couple of posts.
As I have said, I go back to teaching today. I will be happy to continue the thread and answer questions about the book material.
I have posted the first lesson to demonstrate how I approach lead sheets. In fairness to those who have paid for the material,
there are 11 additional lessons in the book and they will not be posted.
Pete, without adding to the tone of the last few threads, we were all having fun up until now. As you know, I purchased the book and will continue to work through it even if you don't see me get involved in the thread.
Posted By: JerryG Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/05/09 08:53 PM
Pete
I think you did a good thing here and I, for one, don't think you violated any advertising rules.

Your answers were informative and we can all see that you are sensitive to not violating the advertising rules.

Keep it up. Many of us are being helped by your comments.
Pete: no need to publish a "paper" book..sell it as a CD printable PDF format..cheaper way to go.. smile
I'm really enjoying hola and working on expanding it. As a music reader, I find it very challenging doing this lead sheet method. It's not really an ear method in my mind which I know I can't do.

Thanks again Pete...
Posted By: Elssa Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/05/09 09:39 PM
Pete; Thanks for posting the links. They worked fine.
Mark: If I got it right you are doing ALfred's Adult method. I think you will find a lot of the chord style LH used in that method a big help with what you are learning here. In my playing, chordal thinking helps my reading and memory work. (The memory sort of died at 40).
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Mark: If I got it right you are doing ALfred's Adult method. I think you will find a lot of the chord style LH used in that method a big help with what you are learning here. In my playing, chordal thinking helps my reading and memory work. (The memory sort of died at 40).
Yes, (Alfred) has helped a lot. I've been doing all the major scales and cords with inversions for the past few months and just now starting all the harmonic minor scales and chords.

I'm currently working the 10ths in the "B" area, but doing it with the melody line is taking some work. No matter what Hola is just a beautiful piece. Especially on my new piano.

Mark
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/06/09 09:13 PM
Hi Pete; I just got the book in the mail today and can't wait to get into it....but my kids are here now for our belated Christmas so it will be a while before I can really get into it but I will be back as soon as I can.

Thanks,
Alene
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Originally posted by Alene:
Hi Pete; I just got the book in the mail today and can't wait to get into it....but my kids are here now for our belated Christmas so it will be a while before I can really get into it but I will be back as soon as I can.

Thanks,
Alene
Hi Alene;
Don't forget to listen to the CD that came with the book. Peter is a fantastic Piano player.
I am still working on Hola, but it is getting a little easier.

Dale
Hi all. Pete sent me a chapter of the book looking for feedback just over one year ago. I looked it over briefly, and as a prolific, if not particularly accomplished devotee of self-teaching courses, saw that it was unique in several ways and of high quality.

I am thrilled that it is out and as soon as I resurrect my Paypal account from years of disuse, I will be ordering it.

I have never met Pete Friesen, but his cyber-self, Pete the Bean, is unfailingly generous with his knowledge of both popular piano and piano pedagogy, both of which impress the heck out of me.

Pete, for your next book(s), would providing downloadable content be a simpler way to go? A model you might consider is the one used by blues harmonica whiz/teacher Adam Gussow. I haven't ordered any of his material, but the modular nature is appealing and an associated forum might free up your inbox.
Anyway, just a thought. His website is .

Can't wait to start on the book! laugh
This is my improv for the 2nd song: House of the setting moon.

http://www.box.net/shared/eidgu1bpb5

I don't know these songs. I am wondering if these are real songs or are they songs made up by Pete?

Rosa
I just listened to Pete's Track 2 and realize I am supposed to do it faster to get that rhythm beat going.

So here is another improv on House again.

http://www.box.net/shared/dkj2p7b7u5

Rosa
Hey Rosa: Nice Work. I am discussing your first solo. Don't worry about the tempo. You can play the slower tempo. It sounds fine that way. Really, do it your way! It makes the world a much more interesting place. Bar 5- beat 3-should read F chord. I have emailed you an updated version.
I hear you trying a walk upat bar 6. On bar 6 beat 3, I am hear a B natural which is making my ears perk up. I hear you trying to do the Hola walk up. Nice. For that walk up I would play - RH starting bar 6 - beat 1 -GBG,ACA,BbDbBb,BDB. In the LH I would walk up G,A, Bb,B. see notation here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/m0vhv2

I think you are getting a nice blues sound, playing the licks, and it is making very good sense. You are keeping the beat-I know exactly where you are-that is not always what I get to hear.

The songs in the book are written by me. However they use chord progressions that are derived from some famous pieces. I wrote the melodies using the same technique as the write your own hit section.(Guide Notes).
It is very difficult to get permission to use a real hit and the expense is so great (if you can get permission) that you would owe the publisher more money than you sold the book for.

I have a few more lessons in the works and will get them posted when I figure out how to get the software to do what I am asking it to do.
Thanks Pete. I got the pdf updated version. thumb

Oh, that B eh? Should be Bb. That walk up came on the spur of the moment, probably from Hola. But I think it is good that I can mix and match the ideas that I learn from previous lessons and apply to the new lessons. In that way, I know I've learned them the way it should and not by memorization at all.

I really enjoy playing around with your songs. I have no idea what songs they resemble, but I am sure if we can play around with these progressions, we should find them in other pop songs.

Also, just to let you know that those of us who are actively involved and those who are following along the thread really appreciate this extra effort you put in to help us.

Do you think I am ready for song 3?

Rosa
Rosa; Spur of the moment ideas are why it is called improvising and that is what makes it fun and slightly dangerous. And yes, trying tricks from one song and adapting it to a new song is what this also important to really knowing a lick or concept.

I am glad the time I spent is worth it. I still think it is fun to hear back from half way around the world.


Yes you are ready for lesson 3. You are mixing and matching ideas and that is a sign you have developed the skills I am looking for. Keep playing Hola and House so the ideas keep growing and your hands get more comfortable with the patterns and licks..

All the lessons are structured so you should be able to at least play through the song with the LH pattern and a single note melody. I am sure some parts of the pro zone arranging techniques may become difficult for some but the song will sound fine without them.

Nice Work Rosa smile
Still don't understand - what's the logical relation of this thread to (Faber&Faber's) Adult Piano Adventures ?

I seem to have slacked off with conventional methods, even as nice ones as Faber - because of continuing frustration with my still limited multitasking. I can imitate pretty well a complex rhythm 'by ear' but reading it from scratch from sheet music not as well. Two independent melodic lines are seriously overloading, three or more get paralyzing. Add even a simple time signature and timing becomes just 'asynchronous'...
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Originally posted by ROMagister:
Still don't understand - what's the logical relation of this thread to (Faber&Faber's) Adult Piano Adventures ?
Hi ROMagister;
I can explain the title of the thread. I purchased the Pop Piano Pro book, and I still needed to learn to read the Bass Clef on sheet music, so I was just kind of asking for tips on both at the same time. I had the Adult Piano Adventures books, so started with it. I also purchased Alfreds All In One Adult series, and I am learning from both method books now.
The author of the Pop Piano Pro book is a member of Piano World, user name Pete the bean, and is really giving a lot of help to everyone that has his book.

Dale
ROMagister: The logical relation of this thread to Adult Adventures is that Bluesflat7, who started this thread, is working on that method book. I am happy to discuss Faber and Faber's book because I use that method (Piano Adventures)to teach my students and it prepares them well for playing by chord.
I think there are a lot of folks who share your frustration at reading (Especially reading pop music which is much more syncopated). It takes a lot of practice,daily, to get reading skills together and keep them together.
Here is the first of 3 lessons arranging a lead sheet. http://www.sendspace.com/file/pzenhn
PETE, you are fantastic. Thanks for doing all these extra work.

I downloaded the pdf file but could not open. The screen tells me it is not a supported file. I can't really understand what the problem is. In the past, sometimes I can open your file and sometimes not.

Rosa
Rosa: An email with the file is on it's way. I tried the link and it worked. I had a lot of trouble uploading this one. frown

Members: If you are working on this lesson, please post so I know it is working for you. Post your playing too so we can all sing along. It's too quiet around here.

Today was a good day. I completed my 6 walking bass pattern etudes. I need to finish up the lesson material and will post them in the next few days.
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:

Members: If you are working on this lesson, please post so I know it is working for you. Post your playing too so we can all sing along. It's too quiet around here.

Today was a good day. I completed my 6 walking bass pattern etudes. I need to finish up the lesson material and will post them in the next few days.
I got the file fine Pete. Thanks for adding the fingering on this one. I will work on it today. I have never recorded before, but if I can learn this, I will try to record with a mic on the laptop. Hope they come out ok that way.
The walking bass pattern etudes will probably be a big help on my learning to read the Bass clef.

Rosa;
I just listened to your uploads of the 2nd lesson in the Pop Piano Pro book. They sound great.

Dale
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Here is the first of 3 lessons arranging a lead sheet. http://www.sendspace.com/file/pzenhn
Pete, I worked a couple of hours on the first part of the song. I am really slow at playing. Just want to try this recording stuff. Need to learn some more of the chords in this lesson. Here is what I have done so far.

http://www.box.net/shared/zno2iafst2

Dale
Pete and friends, I didn't get much done recently on the book but I have been playing Hola everyday almost since got the book and I really like it. I am thinking of moving on to the next song this week.

Pete, your material doesn't distract me from my piano lessons like other methods do, your technique enhances what I am doing at lessons. I don't want to lose what I'm being taught during weekly lessons so I sight-read almost on a daily basis.
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/12/09 11:55 PM
smile Hi Everyone: Christmas is over at our house, finally! Haven't had much time for practice but I'm going to post a couple of these just so Pete will know that I am working on them and really appreciate his efforts. The book is great and lots to learn from it!

Dale: Good for you for getting your recording system to work and also nice playing on the blues. I enjoyed listening and we are bound to have fun learning with Pete's help and everyone else's too. I agree, that Pete's cd is super good! Maybe someday, for us, huh?

Pete, I really like your extra lesson on the blues and mine is sounding pretty droopy and slow at the moment but wanted you to know that I am trying anyway.

I'm really struggling with the House one and can't seem to improvise on it yet so am just trying to play what you did on your solo. I guess maybe you could call both my songs as a little improvising because the mistakes are in there which changes it somewhat, LOL! Also can't get any speed, so far, on either one so I'm just slowly going thru them. I'm really not familiar with any of the songs you took them from and I think that is one reason I am having trouble rying to improvise, especially on the House one so think I just need to keep playing them over and over.

Just wanted you to know that I am trying!

http://www.box.net/shared/cqliq0p78e SlBluesAl

http://www.box.net/shared/iff9zq88e0 House1Al


Thanks!
Alene
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/13/09 03:28 AM
Finally getting around to recording Hola. I played section B twice, since its so much fun.

http://www.box.net/shared/x2yaahlirz

I have struggled some with House as well, so I moved on to Bad Day for now.

Thanks,
GregF
Wow! Today is like Christmas. Lots of presents to open.

If I comment on your solos, it comes from trying to be constructive. If you do not like my ideas, please go with what you feel. Not everything I like is what you are going to like and that is what makes the world go round.

So far, I have been getting back ideas on the posted material that I would never have dreamed of. This is the what this thread is about.

From the top:
Blues Flat Seven: Welcome to the party. Nailed it. Great timing even on the long notes. I hope you are doing OK with the rest of of the piece as well. It does get a bit tougher but hang in. You have done a great job here and I am certain you can get the rest too.

Ragtime Clown: Glad you are here. Post another Hola so we can hear what has happened to it over the week.

Alene: Over the top! Stride and a nice LH fill. I am also hear some RH minor blues fillsThat sounds so authentic. If you like that style there are some blues books by William Gillock New Orleans Jazz styles. You need to read at a pretty good level though. It is not lead sheet material.
You might want to try D7 arpeggio for your Intro chord.It will have a stronger pull than the C7 I hear.
One idea that should be developed because it is good. You are doing a LH run at bar 20 of the chart on the Gm chord. How about sequence the lick down with every chord change after it like this:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qcfrj6

On House you are starting with a C7 intro. I like it that a whole lot. You have got the solo down. Play it a lot to get those licks in the fingers so you can play it your sleep. If you like the style you need them. I use them when I play standards too.

Greg- Hey, where have you been hiding? Nice recording and good sound.
Wow, you are taking a good tempo. Nice and clean with good pedallng. The B section is tough. I would suggest one thing that may smooth it a bit in the B section: Starting at bar 9 beat 2 -you are rushing the second eighth note E and again the last eighth of the bar (on the and of 4-D). Play it straight and see what happens. Slow the tempo just a teeny bit so the B section feels easier. I said teeny. smile
It feels like a party could be getting started here. Keep up the posts. I am working on the next installment of St Louis. I will post it very in the next couple of days.
Alene, the St Louis Blues is really nice. I have not started on this one yet, but now you got me excited to try this one. Also, I enjoyed listening to your House improv. It is really good to listen to how other students tackle these different improv pieces and how own style comes out. Since these are improv pieces, I try to go back to them and see if I can mix and match the techniques into different songs and see what effects they give.

GregF, your Hola is smooth and beautiful. Yes, play Bad day for me so that I can follow along.

Pete, thanks for sending the pdf file to me. It works fine from the email attachment. I have no idea what the problem is.

Rosa
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Wow! Today is like Christmas. Lots of presents to open.
Pete, no wonder you think it's Christmas - you are like Santa Claus to us all!

Alene, I loved St Louis Blues - just found the lesson - its amazing what you can miss if you drop out of this thread for a few days!!

Pete, will most certainly post recording!
Oh Dale, how did I miss yours? I just listened to it. Thanks for posting it for us to listen. Now I really need to try St Louis Blues and join you guys. Never knew how to improv on the blues before. You sound good and solid.

Rosa
Santa Pete.....hee hee......Yes! Aren't we lucky?

RC, the pdf file is on this page. It's 3 pages long in Pete's short post.

I'll cut and paste for you:

Here is the first of 3 lessons arranging a lead sheet. http://www.sendspace.com/file/pzenhn

Rosa
Rosa, many thanks I actually just found it and edited my post. Thanks for the thought anyway. I missed out on some wonderful tuition for a few days and I'm so glad I'm back!
Guess what?

While fooling around with Hola improv with the progression Am G F G Am G F G Am G F G An G F...

it reminded me of the following song, so I played that song with what Pete's been showing us in this thread.

Can you recognize this song?

http://www.box.net/shared/cvcxpa896i

This is my 2nd take and I didn't want to polish it but just wanted to show how some things are coming together without yourself realizing it.

Who can guess what this song is?

Rosa
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/13/09 05:09 PM
smile Gee, what a fun thread this is and I agree with RC that Pete must be Santa Claus to us...grownups really needed a musical Santa!

Gregf: Really liked your Hola, and you even got a lot of expression in yours which sounded wonderful. That contrast of soft and loud really sounded good. Now I need to keep practicing and get that into mine too.

Rosa: That song sounds familiar in spots but I can't identify it....the playing sounds super tho and it's so much fun to listen to all these ideas and try them out.

Pete: Thank you very much for the compliments and suggestions....that is so good of you to take the time to help us and I really appreciate it. I thought I had played the D7 as an intro to St. Louis Blues as I know the V7 is the one I should use but when I turn on that recording button, I just seem to go blank so I probably did play the C7 instead as I was recording both these songs at the same time. Thanks for catching that. I printed out the pdf file and will try putting that line in from now on and it sounds great. I'm going to stick with just these 3 songs for a while to become comfortable with them before I move on as they need a lot of work. This is so much fun!

Thanks everyone for your encouragement!

Alene
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/13/09 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Wow! Today is like Christmas. Lots of presents to open.


Greg- Hey, where have you been hiding? Nice recording and good sound.

Well, I'm pretty much a lurker, as my low posts number might indicate. I've been around PW for 2 years and only 50-something posts.

Thanks for the comments everyone. I had been working on Hola before this thread started, so it may be a little while before Bad Day is ready for recording.

My 2009 goal is to lengthen my repertoire to at least 30 minutes. And since Hola is one of the better sounding pieces I play currently, I'd like to stretch the piece.

Pete, even with repeating Section B in Hola, my recording was only about 1 minute 22 seconds. To lengthen the song, I was thinking about going on an AABA pattern, tweaking the end of A a bit to make a repeat work. To me, A flows nicely into B, but repeating A back to back as is doesn't sound right to me. Any tips on that?

Thanks,
GregF
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Originally posted by rosa2007:
Guess what?

While fooling around with Hola improv with the progression Am G F G Am G F G Am G F G An G F...

it reminded me of the following song.

Can you recognize this song?

Very Nice Rosa;
My Heart Will Go On - Titanic Theme Song

Alene and GregF
Your songs sounded great too.

Pete
The rest of that blues song is pretty hard for me. Just learning the chords, and that melody fingering is all over the place. You probably know by now, fingering drives me crazy on music. I know where the notes are, but getting fast enough with the fingering is the hard part.

Dale
Greg: Here is what I would do after a hard day teaching and 2 glasses of wine: http://www.sendspace.com/file/0getbc
2:46 is the time on that.
That is ABAB with a bit of time on either end running the Am G F G as an intro. If I was playing in a restaurant I might spend a bit more time on the Intro and probably come back around maybe once more on just a last B section. A 4 hours solo gig is a long time to kill and you gotta fill it somehow.
What is rather peculiar is that it very much depends where I play on how I would treat a song. That version would likely feel a little too aggressive in some places and in others just fall flat on its face.

Do you think I put too many hammer ons in that version?(hic) That was very good wine.

Rosa; That was fun. I heard a whole lot more in there than just a pretty melody. Thanks for the post.
While we are discussing what tune has the same chord changes you might try Greensleeves on the last 2 bars of A section-AM G F E and I think I mentioned in an earlier post the B section almost exactly fits Autumn Leaves.
I'm sitting over breakfast (sorry, no red wine)listening to Hola2 and it really is nice.

Can I ask a burning question: Are you playing this version by ear or direct from printed music score?

I find that after I have played Hola over and over a few times I can memorise the notes much easier than trying to read them and play. Once I free up my brain I can improvise much easier and make less mistakes.

I achieve a certain amount of freedom when I memorise but I rely on printed music to kick start the piece.

Am I making sense?
Ragtime Clown:I was looking at the same chart as in the book and messing with it. If you asked me to play it the same way twice, there would be a problem.
You are making sense. Knowing the piece really helps. I have been playing Misty for 30 years. It changes over time. All the little things you learn along the way start to come out and show up when you are free enough to just play. Your playing starts showing who you are and where you have been. Listen to Rosa's guess this song download. You will hear more than a Hola LH. If I remember correctly I even heard Latin stride, which she just picked up a couple of weeks ago.(correct me if I am wrong). She also uses a quartal arpeggio ending (stack of 4ths) Little tricks like that are what I 'm talking about.Pick those up and they really enhance your playing.
There is a lot to learn from Hola and here is a recording before I left for work. Converting midi to mp3 doesn't produce very nice piano sounds but the recording gives some indication of how the piece has developed for me.

I consider Hola to be an on-going improvement and although there are many mistakes and technical faults I hope to get feedback from Pete and other listeners.


http://www.box.net/shared/o4ci8h2uc2
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Originally posted by Ragtime Clown:
There is a lot to learn from Hola and here is a recording before I left for work.
http://www.box.net/shared/o4ci8h2uc2
Hi RC;
That sounds very nice to me. You are doing something that I have a hard time with. You keep that left hand moving while you are playing your melody. I need a lot of work in that area and also in fingering the melody when it moves around a lot. Your Hola comes out better everytime you upload it.

Dale
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Listen to Rosa's guess this song download. You will hear more than a Hola LH. If I remember correctly I even heard Latin stride, which she just picked up a couple of weeks ago.(correct me if I am wrong). She also uses a quartal arpeggio ending (stack of 4ths) Little tricks like that are what I 'm talking about.Pick those up and they really enhance your playing.
Pete; Everyone will probably love those kinds of tips.

Rosa; Want to share how you did the quartal arpeggio? Fingers used on each hand, and notes played? It sounded Great!

I don't know if this is good info or not, but I seen a guy end his songs by running up 1,2,3, and 5 over and over in the right hand, and playing a 10th chord in the left. In the key of C, his right hand did C,D,E, and G up the keyboard and the left hand did C lil finger, G index finger, and the E in the next octave with the thumb. Made a nice ending to a song.

Dale
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/14/09 05:04 PM
smile Hi RC: Just listened to your Hola and sounded so GOOD! I really liked your ending with the trill. It's fun to get to listen to everyone and the improvements that come along with the practice.

Also really nice to hear another version by Pete to show what can be done differently each time we play it. Very inspiring! (Maybe I should try the wine so the recording button wouldn't scare me to death, LOL)

This thread is very motivating!

Alene
This thread is so much FUN.

Bluesb7, yes, you get 1st prize. thumb It's Titanic's theme - My Heart will go on.

I mainly did LH Latin stride throughout the whole song. You can tell I have fallen in love with the Latin stride. 3hearts

Oh, the RH arpeggio quartal, I learned that from Mike in Piano magic. I memorized Mike's old house # 362 cool and I love that ending.

Pete, what you are saying to each student is very helpful to everybody and not just the student himself. Your Hola2 is so nice. It's been playing on my computer all night. smile

Ragclown, your Hola is getting smoother as you are playing with more ease. Keep it up. Try playing the LH throb too, they sound good too.

And Al, my wine glasses are here. Cheers..... laugh

Rosa
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/15/09 02:43 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Greg: Here is what I would do after a hard day teaching and 2 glasses of wine: http://www.sendspace.com/file/0getbc
2:46 is the time on that.
That is ABAB with a bit of time on either end running the Am G F G as an intro. If I was playing in a restaurant I might spend a bit more time on the Intro and probably come back around maybe once more on just a last B section. A 4 hours solo gig is a long time to kill and you gotta fill it somehow.
What is rather peculiar is that it very much depends where I play on how I would treat a song. That version would likely feel a little too aggressive in some places and in others just fall flat on its face.

Do you think I put too many hammer ons in that version?(hic) That was very good wine.

Pete,

Wow! Thanks. That was amazing. Sounds like PPP Vol. 3 material there.

GregF
RC: Hola is much improved. You should be proud of this hard work. 10ths all the way through.( I need Rosa to tell me how to put one of the thumbs up smileys here) Melody going up an octave-nice idea. That is one way to change the song so you can repeat it with out boring your audience to death. That means you get another minute on that tune to fill that 4 hour gig.


Blues Flat 7: Thanks for sharing your Hot Tip for an ending. This is another one of those things everyone should put in their bag of tricks. The name of the chord CDEG is Cadd9. Some books say Cadd2 but you would get into a spat with my Theory mentor calling it that. You will find this chord in later lessons in the book.

I never thought Hola could get this much mileage. There are only 11 more like it it the book. This could turn into a very long thread.

So here is my question to everyone. (there have been 200 downloads of the Hola lesson). The lesson I wanted to acheive in Hola by using 10ths was to force you to learn the notes in each of the chords. Did that work for you ?
Pete each week before my lesson officially begins, my teacher allows me the priviledge of warming up of 5 minutes.

Last night I was playing Hola and when he came into the room he asked 'What was that piece, it sounded really good'. He was also quite surprised how I was able to demonstrate the 10ths in various chord formations.

As you say, Hola has given everyone here so much mileage for both right hand melody and left hand independance. Thanks!
Posted By: dannac Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/15/09 11:34 AM
I cannot download anything from sendspace.com ....

Could someone please send me the LH stride pattern ?

PM ?
dannac: Check your email. pdf sent. We aim to please.
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/15/09 04:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pete the bean:

So here is my question to everyone. (there have been 200 downloads of the Hola lesson). The lesson I wanted to acheive in Hola by using 10ths was to force you to learn the notes in each of the chords. Did that work for you ?
I felt I knew my block triads pretty well, but the 10ths really helped expand my thinking about chords across octaves. I have since started a lot of 2 octave arpeggios practice. Also, LH jumps are my arch nemesis and Hola seemed to help with that. The key there might be the lead sheet notation. My mind is freer without bass clef notes to read. The little black dots can be paralyzing!

GregF
Posted By: dannac Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/15/09 04:20 PM
Got it ...... Thanks Pete
Quote
Originally posted by Pete the bean:
here is my question to everyone. The lesson I wanted to acheive in Hola by using 10ths was to force you to learn the notes in each of the chords. Did that work for you ?
Yes, It is teaching me a lot about chords. Being more of a beginner, getting left and right hands working together on 10th chords will take some more practice. Pete, if I work some more from the Faber method book to improve my reading - playing, should I link those audios in the thread for you to comment on what you think I may need to work on? I am a pretty old beginner, 58, but want to learn as much as I can on the Piano.

Dale
Bluesflat7: You started this thread. You also own my book, which means I will comment on your posts. So post your playing. smile
Bluesb7, thanks for startig this thread!!! thumb

Pete said 200 people downloaded his first lesson. I knew this is a good book but it helps to particpate together so that we get specific guidance from Pete and also for students to learn from each other. I'm sure Pete is learning from us too because teachers always learn from the students. Hee Hee... eek I should know.

Well this thread has gone through 7 pages already in about a month's time. Obviously this thread is already speaking for itself what a great piano method book this is.

Rosa

Pete, I see you've figured out how to find this smiley thumb . You are doing great thumb
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I never thought Hola could get this much mileage. There are only 11 more like it it the book. This could turn into a very long thread.

So here is my question to everyone. (there have been 200 downloads of the Hola lesson). The lesson I wanted to acheive in Hola by using 10ths was to force you to learn the notes in each of the chords. Did that work for you ?


Hola is great!!! Just think, we can learn so much in one song, a lot of goodies are waiting for us in the next 11 songs.
thumb thumb thumb thumb thumb

The 10ths work GREAT!

Rosa
St. Louis Blues Audio: http://www.sendspace.com/file/aufwr0
Lesson #2 coming soon
Ok...here's my Hola...some small errors but a decent take...

I ad libed the ending...please comment...

First recording from new piano...

thanks for listening...

http://www.box.net/shared/tlpmk7g4zh
Mark: Thanks for posting and letting us hear your new piano.

Your ending is nice with the chords switching to RH. I would probably just play a single low A note in the LH rather than the chord as you enter the last section at bar 16 . It will keep the attention more to the lovely RH chords you are playing. I like your arpeggio on the end.
Keep posting and adding to the fun on this thread.
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Mark: Thanks for posting and letting us hear your new piano.

Your ending is nice with the chords switching to RH. I would probably just play a single low A note in the LH rather than the chord as you enter the last section at bar 16 . It will keep the attention more to the lovely RH chords you are playing. I like your arpeggio on the end.
Keep posting and adding to the fun on this thread.
Thanks Pete...the double A octave at the end was a bit strong. I agree with not using it...

Also I'm be ordering your book on my next VISA cycle at the end of the month...I've really learned a lot from Hola and really enjoy this method.
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Originally posted by rosa2007:
Bluesb7, thanks for startig this thread!!!
Well this thread has gone through 7 pages already in about a month's time. Obviously this thread is already speaking for itself what a great piano method book this is.

Rosa
When I started the thread Rosa, I was hoping that Pete would join in on it and WOW, did he ever. He is giving a lot more help here than I ever expected.

Pete; Love the audio you did on the St. Louis blues. Lots of things going on in that. I will send something from the method book later in the week. Live about 50 miles from Pittsburgh, and we are getting ready for a pretty big football game this weekend.

Mark; Nice playing on your version of Hola. You will like the book and CD when you get it. By the way, I work some in the Alfreds 1 book too Mark. Nice threads you have going on for that method also.

Dale
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/18/09 03:40 AM
smile More music to listen too, Super!

Mark: I enjoyed hearing your "Hola". You gave us some more options to think about and apply also.

Pete: Wonderful to hear your recording of St. Louie Blues. I love this song! Looking forward to the next lesson also.

I am pretty much sticking to these 3 songs and trying to apply different things that Pete has suggested to them before I go on as there is so much to learn from these.

Dale: I'm so glad you started this thread and for Pete's help.

Thanks!
Alene
St Louis Blues arrangement #2 Taking it up a notch.
No red wine tonight. frown
I am fueled by herb tea and fig newtons.

So what took me so long? I spent hours on the layout of the chart trying to figure out how to help with the LH timing while making the chart readable. Ordinarily, you would not find to many indications of what the LH is to be doing. I hope my time was worth it and you get HT quickly.


Here is St Louis Blues lesson #2 http://www.box.net/shared/km2s3g6f2n
Audio for the arrangement is here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/aufwr0

So the deal is if you download the chart you are supposed to post your playing. First one to post will win a fig newton by airmail! It might have a bite out of it if you don't hurry up.

The fun never stops on this thread.
The fun never stops on this thread -- How True thumb

The St Louis Blues arrangement pdf is great. It is so EZ & clear to understand. You really have the gift of teaching Pete.

And wow -- the R 5 #4 5 -- What a give away to us. I heard your audio and could not figure out what you did. Thanks!! This is going to be another one I love so much. I've always just done 1-5 and 1-6 boogie...but never the #4.

I don't think I will be the first to win but I will certainly try this out.

Rosa
Ooops double post.
To veiw the prize go here: http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/FigCookies.jpg
yum!
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/18/09 07:45 PM
Hi Pete: I'm a little confused on your instructions for the A section of St. Louis Blues. On the instruction sheet you have the Fill 1 as: R5,R6,Rb7,R6 etc. But on the lead sheet it shows as just a regular shuffle of R5,R6, doesn't show going on up to the b7, but in your recording it sounds as if you are going on up to the b7? Am I missing something here or can we do it either way?

Thanks,
Alene
Alene"Good ears. Sorry . I ate too many fig newtons obviously. Please go to the same address: http://www.box.net/shared/km2s3g6f2n
You should have an edited version.
If you hurry Alene you will win the fig newton and Oregon is not that far away. It might get to you before it turns.
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/19/09 12:20 AM
Thanks Pete for the new updated version. I figured it was just a typo but "enquiring minds have to know, Ha"!

Gee, if you would have offered a lobster I would have stayed up all night practicing but I never liked fig newtons which is fortunate because I will never be able to be the first, LOL!

I'm playing "very slowly" as there is a lot of good stuff to learn in this and I'm not the fastest learner in the world but it's sure fun trying!
Thanks,
Alene
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
To veiw the prize go here: http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/FigCookies.jpg
yum!
Wish I could play better so that I could try for the prize...

Pete;
To get a lot of the pdf files and tips in one place, I am doing the following.
Search the whole thread to try to find your very helpful links to pdf files, and cut & paste them to the first post in the thread.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/7708.html#000000

This will help everyone that wants to join in on your Pop Piano Pro Lessons / Tips

Alene, Ragtime Clown, Rosa, GregF, Mark...
I added your uploads to the first page also.
Hope I found them all....

Dale
Dale: Thanks you for help with the cleaning up the thread. I am looking forward to your audio posts.
Alene: Lobster is out of my league and also it could harass the postal workers while in transit.
Pete, about the pedaling. Say for G7 Fill #1, do you kekep the pedal on for the whole 2 bars or do you pedal every quarter beat in the changes from 5 to 6 6o 7 to 6?

Also in B section, I like the LH swing. I can coordinate RH plays whole note and even two 8th notes. But when RH plays 3 or 4 8th notes in a series, I can't swing my LH. Is there a way to overcome this?

Rosa
Rosa: I think - not enough pedaling is better than too much pedaling. Digital pianos have the weakness that either the pedal is off or full on and nothing in between.
I would pedal every beat or not at all and go for a legato touch.
If you keep your pedal down for the whole fill there will be problems, especially the half step between 6 and b7. I get my students to pedal just after the beat so that when the key goes down it triggers the foot to lift the pedal. If you pedal early, you will catch the notes from the beat before because the dampers did not touch the string while the notes were being held down.

To keep the swing, I get my students to say Scooby dooby or long short long short -aloud while they play.
(Another one is- chew tab bac ky - but this could lead to a problem with snuff.)
If you can say it you will play it. Say it with the recording to get the feel down. I often get students turning the swing around short long-not a good thing
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/19/09 05:31 PM
Dale, that is fantastic to have everything in one spot. Same great job that you did on PianoMagic to get everything organized for the videos. Thanks for making it easier to find when we want to review something.

Pete: Lobster is out of my league too, but having all this help from you means WE should be sending the fig newtons to YOU, LOL!

Alene
Quote
Originally posted by Pete the bean:
To keep the swing, I get my students to say Scooby dooby or long short long short -aloud while they play.
(Another one is- chew tab bac ky - but this could lead to a problem with snuff.)
If you can say it you will play it. Say it with the recording to get the feel down. I often get students turning the swing around short long-not a good thing
Saying things to try to get the feel of playing the notes help me a lot Pete. I like the ones you just gave.
Here are a couple that I read about one time. I don't remember if it was from a guitar magazine or keyboard magazine, but I wrote them down.

To get the feel of sixteenth notes, say
cat - i - pil - ler
or
al - a - bam - a

To get the feel of 1 eighth and 2 sixteenth, say
bugs bun - ny

To get the feel of 2 sixteenth notes and 1 eighth, say
car - y grant

Dale
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Originally posted by Alene:
Dale, that is fantastic to have everything in one spot. Same great job that you did on PianoMagic to get everything organized for the videos. Thanks for making it easier to find when we want to review something.
Thank You Alene....
They will be very easy to get to. Just go to the pages section of the thread and click on the number 1.
I added a section with Links of helpful sites below the audio upload Links.
Everyone, if you know of any Links to sites that would be very helpful in our Piano learning, post them and I will add them to the Links section of the 1st post.

Dale
Pete and Dale, thanks for the tips and hints. I will be Sooby doobying....and bugs bunnying....

Dale, first page looks really good as people can have an overview of all the goodies in this thread.

Rosa
Nice job Dale on the opening post! I bet it was lots of work.

Mark...
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Originally posted by Mark...:
Nice job Dale on the opening post! I bet it was lots of work.

Mark...
Hi Mark,
Not really any work at all. Just copy and paste things that I find that would be helpful on it. Thanks...

Alene and Rosa;
There is a question in the forum at Piano Magic asking about this book. You guys that are a lot more advanced than what I am will be able to give a lot more information. I just had to reply that I know that it is going to be a great help to me.
It is under Miscellaneous in Piano Courses.

Dale
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/21/09 12:46 AM
Hi Dale: I posted a reply in PianoMagic about this thread and recommended Pete's book so hope everyone decides to buy it.

Pete: I'm wondering if we swing all 8th notes thru the whole song of St. Louis Blues or just in the C section where you stated to swing them. I was swinging all of them but now I'm wondering if the other B section (left hand) is to be played as straight 8th notes?

Thanks,
Alene
Alene. The B section is meant to swing a bit. I am playing the eighths legato in the B section.That changes for the C section because of the repeated notes in the LH pattern. You have to lift your wrist to get the repeating notes. So in short- swing both sections.
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/21/09 04:36 AM
Thanks, Pete, then I was practicing it right...it's going kind of slow but I'm sure enjoying working on this song. Your arrangements are all so nice!
I must apologise for my inactivity here. My weekly lessons are now back on course with the new term. I am currently working towards having FOUR new pieces in my practice regime.

This can be demanding and rewarding so you can understand that taking on anything else is out of the question. What I really like is that me teacher wants me to bring pieces to the lessons that he can take me through which adds to the excitement.

I will be working until the end of this new term (Easter) with my teacher before my next review. He will decide if I am able to focus on working alone without his help.
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Alene and Rosa;
There is a question in the forum at Piano Magic asking about this book. You guys that are a lot more advanced than what I am will be able to give a lot more information. I just had to reply that I know that it is going to be a great help to me.
It is under Miscellaneous in Piano Courses.

Dale
Dale, I've replied there already. Like Alene, I feel that Pete's book is a TREASURE. It's very difficult for new people to get involved and have to plough through 8 pages. I wonder if you can put a remark in the first post to let people know that they can just try out Hola, the first lesson, and listen to Pete's mp3 and the students' mp3....and then just post their first Hola improv. I think if I were a new person to participate in this thread now, I might feel I am too far behind but we know there is no such thing.

As I write this and at Piano Magic....the first lesson itself is really worth the cost of the whole book itself because in these 8 pages, Pete also gives us new ideas how to apply and supplement. Just imagine what will happen to us when we finish the book?

Rosa
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Originally posted by rosa2007:

Dale, I've replied there already. Like Alene, I feel that Pete's book is a TREASURE. It's very difficult for new people to get involved and have to plough through 8 pages. I wonder if you can put a remark in the first post to let people know that they can just try out Hola, the first lesson, and listen to Pete's mp3 and the students' mp3....and then just post their first Hola improv. I think if I were a new person to participate in this thread now, I might feel I am too far behind but we know there is no such thing.

As I write this and at Piano Magic....the first lesson itself is really worth the cost of the whole book itself because in these 8 pages, Pete also gives us new ideas how to apply and supplement. Just imagine what will happen to us when we finish the book?

Rosa
That's a good idea Rosa. I will go and edit the first post now. Let me know if there is a better way that I can word it. We could really use some of Rosanna's questions here too huh? She is so good at asking the right questions on things to get a lot of help for everyone.

Dale
Hi Dale,
Asking questions, who, me? Don't you know I am secretly known as Ms. Left Brain? laugh

Actually Rosa has been asking awesome questions, and Pete has been giving awesome feedback.

Pete,
Even though I am not actively working on the book (tho' I am tempted), I have been following the thread based on Rosa's enthusiastic recommendation. I just want to say it's wonderful that you are giving everyone so much help. What a gem you are!
Hello All....

Pete,
I'm currently on p.90/91 of the Alfreds Adult All in One Book.... I just sent you an e-mail regarding ordering your book....Do you think I'll struggle too much with your book, so I should wait until I go further along in my Alfreds stuff until I order your book?

I'd love to be able to play fake book songs on the fly with original interpretations...

If you like, you can PM me -

Thanks,
Angelo
Angelo: I think you would be ready for my book after Alfreds Adult method level 2 or at level 4 of the regular series. I think you may struggle and that would not be any fun at all.
I have the first lesson posted at the beginning of this thread. Give that a try and see how it goes before you make a big move and pay me money.
My book is not a linear method by any means and you will need some basics to get through it. Do I sound like a book salesman?

Hey All: Thank you for your kind words about the book. I do enjoy sharing on this thread.
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/23/09 09:14 PM
smile I'm going to get brave and post these recordings in order to get help on these: I posted Hola and House of the Setting Moon in order to use some of Pete's suggestions that he made on my earlier ones. He suggested that I use the Am with E arp at the end of the song and not sure if I am using what he wanted....I play Am in the left hand and E in the right....A C E G# B E running them up the keyboard and end on a low A.

On "House", this time I played it as Pete arranged it but added the A Chord over the Dm for the run at the end. D F A C# E A up the keyboard and end on low D. Ooops! I just listened to the recording and realized I didn't even put the ending in....see what that recording button does to me? If I had, Pete, would that be correct? Gee, LOL!

I'm still struggling to make them sound decent tho!

Lots of mistakes in St. Louis Blues and sounds nothing like Pete's even tho I am trying to play from his arrangement (Sorry Pete) but in spite of the recording nerves and mistakes...what am I doing wrong in this song? Of course, at the turtle's pace I'm playing it is why it doesn't sound right? Pete just left to lock up his Fig Newtons until someone comes along that makes it sound better so hop in you guys and I'll pass on being the first one...Of course, Pete never said it had to sound good just first, LOL!

http://www.box.net/shared/8l39hltiou St. Louis

http://www.box.net/shared/iff9zq88e0 House

http://www.box.net/shared/8lbl7d3mi9 Hola

Thanks for any help!
Alene
Alene: You Rock! You have been working hard and it made my day.

House: Nothing but good things going on here. Just give it more than a week and it will pick up speed on it's own. What I am trying to emphasize in this song is the LH keepin time. I playing quarters on the beat. The pattern keeps me in the groove, especially if the melody is syncopated.( Lots of notes off of the down beat)
I often use this pattern on medium up tempo pop. I made suggestions for other songs earlier in this thread.
Hola: I am hearing you add the 4 note chords in the A section. Nice going. You are adding another 5 in the LH on the way back down from the 10 in the B section. I like it. I still think your chromatic line in the ending is way cool. A little mysterious ...and the big arpeggio- lovely. Another variation - A E A in the LH and then RH arpeggio E G# B 3 times and end on E.
St Louis Blues: You are swingin' on the A section - all good.
Section B - check this out - when you play HT you swing the LH. When you get to Bar 20 and the RH has half notes you play the LH straight. Now that I made you aware of it, I bet it you will have it fixed in a second. Another hot tip- Think Legato for the RH in this section-keep the wrist low - don't lift between notes-- and think across the keyboard (side to side,not up down for each note) through the phrases.

Section C -nice swing - I notice you caught the typo on the fill -the chord Change to G is not written in. I will fix that tonight.

I am adding a little RH harmony through out the piece., which will be addressed in an up coming lesson.

So Alene, here is what is really important. You sound great and it was a joy to hear it. Please let the nerves go. I know that it is easier said than done. Also know that we are all usually our own worst critics. I bet if you come back to these recordings you find that they are better than you imagined. As far as speed is concerned, let these songs get deeper into your fingers. I bet St Louis has only been there a week or two. It will speed up on it's own. I have had this song in my fingers since 1989 so it better sound half decent. Thanks so much for posting. You win the prize. Could you eat this much?
http://www.novanewsnow.com/imgs/dynamique/articles/gros/big_lobster_2.jpg
Pete, can I request a tutorial on The Carpenters 'Rainy Days and Mondays' - please!
Ragtime clown: Sorry . I would be in violation of copyright laws in about 1 second. St Louis Blues was chosen because it is public domain. It may become part of book 2. If you work the material in the Pop Piano Pro book, it should provide you with the skills to pick a song and make your own arrangement.
Pete, I understand.

Can you tell me what software you use to write your lead sheets and arrangements for your book.

Is this same software able to produce your pdf files?
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/24/09 07:09 PM
:)Hi Pete: I ate every bit of that Lobster for lunch and just the right amount, LOL!

Seriously, thank you for the comments and the new suggestions which I will be trying as soon as I get to the piano. I will be trying out the new variation on the runs also. These were helpful suggestions that I was hoping for. In Section B of St. Louis Blues, I realized that I was playing those straight and have been working on it but the minute the recording button went on I lost it again....I definitely will keep working on it. I love your recording of it and will keep trying to get better and hope it speeds up in time.

This is just WAY TOO much fun!
Thanks so much for all the help and encouragement.

Alene
Ragtime Clown: I am on a MAC. The software I use is Finale printmusic. I have been told I will be much happier with sybellius. I think I might because I am not always pleased as punch with this software. I think I am pushing it to its limits writing a book with a $70 piece of software.

To create pdf files, I just create a pdf in the print window.

I also have to combine pdf files often to create a lesson of several pages. I use a free ware program called combine pdf's I found this online. It is very good
Pete, are the auto-harmonising and voicing features in Finale good and do they work well.
Ragtime clown: I don't think print music has those features and if it does, I haven't bothered.
Pete, am I right in saying that if I work through the methods and techniques of your book, I can apply the learning to any song, including 'Rainy Days and Mondays'?
Ragtime Clown: The techniques in the book will help you arrange any song that is gonna sound good on the piano.. These are the patterns and styles I use when I play out as a " paid professional".

What will happen is that as you master the LH patterns, they just play themselves, like riding a bike. My songs are divided by style-stride, pop ballad, locked hand jazz standard. On the job I just start playing and the rest happens because my hands know the patterns.

I really only think about the precise pattern when I teach. It's pretty hard for a student to progress if I say I did sorta this and maybe some of that and just listen and play what you feel. (I have had teachers like that frown )

People have been very complimentary about my songs and arrangements. I would say that for every song I have in my repertoire, there are at least one or two hundred songs that did not make the cut. They do not translate well to solo piano. It is because I take a lot of songs for a spin before I make a selection that things sound good.

I have listed songs that work with the patterns earlier in this thread. Finding those songs -that can take a pattern - took a lot of time. If someone had shared a list like that with me I would think I hit the mother load.

I spend hours trolling itunes for piano albums and trying to find new tunes. There are a lot of albums of standards but it is slim pickings for pop/rock from the 70's on, Searching for good tunes probably takes more of my time than actually arranging the tune.
Pete, I saw in another post you mentioned "Tiny Dancer" one of my favorites from the Elton John "Madman across the Water" album. Actually I love just about every song on that album. laugh

Is that one good for your method?

Mark...

PS: five more days till I order:)
TIny Dancer can take 10th pattern Root 5 10 Same as Hola.Verse and chorus.
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I would say that for every song I have in my repertoire, there are at least one or two hundred songs that did not make the cut. They do not translate well to solo piano...I have listed songs that work with the patterns earlier in this thread. Finding those songs -that can take a pattern - took a lot of time.
... There are a lot of albums of standards but it is slim pickings for pop/rock from the 70's on...
Hi Pete,
This difficulty of fitting song with certain patterns: presumably you are talking about mostly songs from the 70's and beyond that may be hard to find a pattern for and/or hard play as solo piano pieces? It seems like most standards from the 50s do lend themselves to solo piano. ?
Rosanna: You are correct. The standards do fit easily. I am directing my comments to music 70's and on. You can see it on the printed page. Standards rarely contain 16th notes. The chord changes follow a lot of II-V-I patterns. You need knowledge of 4 note chords and beyond to make these songs come alive and once you have those tricks down it is easy to build repertoire. For a guy I think has all the tricks down check out Joe Augustine at itunes.
What I have found is that when I am asked to play for a party of 40 somethings and play standards, they say that it's nice but they don't know any of the repertoire. To get a wow arrangement out of material, late 70's and on, it takes some hunting for a song that translates well to solo piano.
Hehe Pete, I am 40-something, but seem to know more oldies than songs from the 70's and beyond. OK, I know and like Bee Gee songs, but I don't know what that means! :p

Anyway, the few rock type songs that I know, I do find it trickier to play them by ear (and find LH accompaniments), so I was glad to see your comment, as it confirms that my "problem" may not be "me"! laugh
Pete, for the ending of St Louis blues, it sounds really kool. Did you make that up yourself? I like that chromatic half steps walking down. The Ab9 there, do I play Ab & Eb for R&5? Is that the tritone returning to the tonic chord? When I play it, it sounds really heavy but yours sounds very light. Once I polish the ending a bit, I can post my recording.

Rosa
Rosa: Check this handout for a quick lesson on tritone substitution.
http://www.box.net/shared/p855y2dacq
A quick summary is that you can substitute a V7 with a bII7 because the 2 chords share the same tritone. Everybody got that?
Sorry. Not my invention. frown I only dream of being that smart.

To get a lighter sound on the last 2 chords Ab9-G9 here are some suggestions. Use a loose wrist on the Ab9 and bounce back out of the chord- use you fore arms to get the momentum into the keystroke. There is a slight hesitation back at the top of the bounce-relax here and drop into the G9.

I have added harmony to the B section of St Louis. It has been added to the pdf download here: http://www.box.net/shared/0kgmf8168s

The hands of Pete the bean make their movie debut:
St Louis Blues
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vjdc73
Your lesson on tritone substitution is very interesting.

Serge
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:

The hands of Pete the bean make their movie debut:
St Louis Blues
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5qs3rh
That Video is fantastic Pete.
The video will be a big help to everyone.
Very nice work on filming this too. You can see both hands and your foot at work. thumb
Added the link to the video and the other files you posted to the front page of this thread along with
this picture that might go along nice with your tritone lesson.

[Linked Image]

Now, to get my left hand to try to do what yours is doing while finding the melody notes help

You can tell that you are in Canada with the long sleeves... ha
Thank you very much for the video Pete,

Dale
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/28/09 11:02 PM
Oh Wow! That video was just great and I've played it over and over. This really helps to watch you play it. Now I have to work on that middle section some more to get the harmony notes all in. Makes it much easier tho when we have played the simpler version and then just add the 3rds and color tones....you have a great way of teaching.

Loved that video! Thanks so much for posting it!
Alene
A beautiful demonstration, well done Pete!
Pete, thanks for the pdf files and also the VIDEO -- what a treat that is, especially when you are busy in this time preparing your students exams.

Now I know what my problem is. I've been concentrating too much on the LH and my LH sounds real heavy. Yours is very light. Also the angle as Dale says is great because we can see when you pedal. As soon as I get my LH lighten up a bit and add on the B section harmony, I am ready to send my recording. Wait...........

Rosa

(I also got your email but I do not know how to go about this without disrupting your thread and teaching.)
Posted By: JerryG Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/29/09 09:51 PM
When I go to download the above video using hi speed internet it indicates a download time of 50 min. Is this right?
Jerry: I downloaded in a few minutes the other day. I just went back to test and it says 55 minutes Yikes!
Pete, I imported your video into Windows Movie Maker tonight, added titles and was able to compress it to around 37mb (original is 172mb). There is absolutely no loss of quality.

It may be an idea to compress future productions if some people are having touble with download times.
The video took a while to download, but it didn't take 55 mins. (I don't remember what the software estimated it to be.) It probably depends on your level of high speed service. Anyway, you can be doing other things when it downloads in the background.
Thanks for the advice. Newbie at the keyboard. Here is the zipped file: http://www.sendspace.com/file/vjdc73
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
Thanks for the advice. Newbie at the keyboard. Here is the zipped file: http://www.sendspace.com/file/vjdc73
I don't know if this will work for everyone, ( You might have to have Adobe Flash Player ) but I converted the St. Louis Blues Video to mp4 format and put it online for online viewing. Just go to the first page of this thread. Here is the first page link.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/32/7708.html

( or click on the 1 at the top/bottom here in the - This topic comprises xx pages link. )

Dale
Dale, very nice touch indeed.
This thread is probably one of the best I have seen on the internet since restarting piano. What a credit it is to both yourself, those who visit and of course, Pete the Bean!
Hi Dale,

I could not open the recent zip video, it looks like it is the same one that you posted on the first page.

Dale, for the first page where you have tips and lessons. I think there are mainly 2 big lessons so far: one is HOLA and the other one is St Louis Blues.

I wonder if you can either put in big bold letter HOLA and big bold letter ST LOUIS BLUES so that people can read it easier. For us, who is following this thread, it is very easy but for new 'users' (you sound like a computer man), the either sectioning off with 'lines' or in 'bold letters' might make it easier, or you can do both.

Hey, you are good at knowing how to set up online teaching for people. What do you do?

Rosa

(Hey, I just clicked onto your name to see what you do. I gave you a 5 star. I wonder if it will appear in your next post.)
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Originally posted by rosa2007:
Hi Dale,

I could not open the recent zip video, it looks like it is the same one that you posted on the first page.

Dale, for the first page where you have tips and lessons. I think there are mainly 2 big lessons so far: one is HOLA and the other one is St Louis Blues.

I wonder if you can either put in big bold letter HOLA and big bold letter ST LOUIS BLUES so that people can read it easier. For us, who is following this thread, it is very easy but for new 'users' (you sound like a computer man), the either sectioning off with 'lines' or in 'bold letters' might make it easier, or you can do both.

Hey, you are good at knowing how to set up online teaching for people. What do you do?

Rosa

(Hey, I just clicked onto your name to see what you do. I gave you a 5 star. I wonder if it will appear in your next post.)
Hi Rosa;
I retired from a Steel Mill up around the Pittsburgh PA area. I do like messing with the computer. I will see what I can do about changing the front page. You may have clicked on the zip file that I added to the front page that Pete sent. The new video link is just a picture that you click on my end. I am not sure, but you might need either Quicktime or Adobe flash player for it to work.

Thanks for the Stars!!! thumb

Dale
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Originally posted by Ragtime Clown:
Dale, very nice touch indeed.
This thread is probably one of the best I have seen on the internet since restarting piano. What a credit it is to both yourself, those who visit and of course, Pete the Bean!
Thank you Ragtime Clown
Pete is the one that makes this thread. Man do I wish that he was around here for some lessons. I don't know if the online video will work for everyone or not. Rosa could not get it to work.

Rosa:
I went to the site that I uploaded Pete's St. Louis Blues Video mp4 to and got another link. See if this one will work for you.

<a href="http://album2.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album22" title="Photo Sharing by myphotoalbum.com">Share</a>

Everyone:
Let me know if the link works for you on page 1. If not, I might as well put this one in its place, that is if this one works.

Dale
No problem, works well!
Works for me...thanks
Posted By: JerryG Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/30/09 07:15 PM
Good job flat 7
Dale, page 1 looks really good. It works today when I click onto the picture. Having that video picture on the front pags makes a difference. Thanks, Rosa
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/31/09 05:43 PM
Yes, the video worked for me too. Good work, Dale!

Pete: Do you have a list of songs that we can use that 1-5-#4-5 on? Can it also be played as a straight 8th note rhythm as well as a swinging one? I've been using it on any song just to get it on automatic but I'm wondering also, if it's appropriate for some hymns?

Thanks!
Alene
Hi all,

I've been lurking on this thread for a few weeks now, and bought Pete's book. I originally saw a post at PM about this and thought it'd be a fun diversion between working on my CIEOC songs. :p

Anyways, I'm not quite as fast of a learner as some of you folks, but I thought I would post a recording of Hola. It's still a work in progress!

As for the recording, I popped the lid of my piano open a bit, and stuffed my pocket voice recorder into the gap. I think you can even hear me releasing the pedal some of the time. laugh

http://www.box.net/shared/f4l33dhxg8

Brad
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/31/09 11:50 PM
smile Hi Brad: Another PM'er and you have been a good lurker and not a slow learner. Hola sounded really nice and I liked your ending. I'm still playing Hola also and trying to apply to other songs as well. Glad you joined in!

Alene
Thanks Alene! I'm going to continue practicing, and working on my Hola "hit". I have been also goofing around with the original Hello melody. It does indeed fit the chords except for that c# which isn't a big deal either way.

Some friends and I are playing in a casual band thing and might do a cover of Mad World, so "Not Mad At The World Anymore" will probably be my next personal assignment.

Brad
Nice going Brad laugh . I don't recognize you from the PM forum. Yes, I like doing that to the Hello song too.

Here is my St Louis Blues :p
http://www.box.net/shared/luk6d9ggev

I figure I better post a recording of my St Louis Blues so that Pete come in and give me some pointers. :b: .

Rosa
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 02/02/09 06:49 PM
smile Hi Rosa: Nice going on St. Louis Blues....you sounded great! Yes, that changing rhythm patterns is hard for me too and the ending took lots of practice. It's a fun arrangement to play but with practice we get better at it. I'm still working on it and still not perfected by a long ways but getting better. I've been working on putting those two rhythm patterns into different songs so I get more automatic on changing.

Brad: It's nice you get to play in a band and let us hear your next song when you get it ready.

Alene
I will post a solo for St. Louis soon. I am away from my computer for the next few days.
OK I am back and need to catch up on the audio that got posted.
Thanks Dale for converting the video.
Alene: I do not have too many songs that I use the 15#45 pattern but I just ran through the Chattanooga Choo Choo and it works quite nicely. For straight eighths how about Obla dee Obla da by the Beatles. Sorry I am not up on hymn repertoire.
Brad: Thanks for posting. Nice clean playing! The 10ths sound good. The walk up is tough. The LH pattern forNot Mad at the World could work in a band situation. For the RH in that situation I would likely play just a chord off the first note of each bar as on pg 66. You will need to harmonize the Fm chord Ab F C from the top note down. More responses tomorrow. It's late.
Apologies for my recent absence - sun room flooded and the ceiling came down!
Rosa: I finally had time to listen to your post. Sorry it took a while and thanks for your fun version. Great work-especially for your first shot at playing the blues!

Because your file is in midi formatt, I may not be hearing what you hear so be careful with the advice you are getting. Things could be sounding different on your keyboard.

A trick I show my students is to play the song and operate the hands from where the arm meets the shoulder (top of the socket). Just watch the hands from way back almost like you are watching someone else. Notice all the arm between the shoulder and the hands
Now play the song trying not to control the situation. Just watch. What tends to happen is the shoulders drop and relax, the wrists loosen and the weight of the arm starts to become involved. It produces a more round and relaxed sound. Try this in section A at the fills.

Just slowing the tempo a tiny bit on the A section will also relax the feel more.

Getting a nice swing rhythm is not easy. A lot of students I have taught have trouble with it -especially it seems- students with a lot of classical training.

I think going for a more legato sound at B in the LH (Relax the hand) will even up the eighths more. The first note could shorten and the second take more time.

For section C, Bravo for taking a solo. Nice going!

I have a soloing lesson planned and will try to post it in the next week or so. In the meantime, here is a solo given to me by my former teacher to whom my book is dedicated.
http://www.box.net/shared/v4za5icfxl


Here is a short story that goes with the solo. I studied with Ted in the late eighties. He had been the house pianist for a local club in the 60's when the Rat Pack would come to Vancouver. Rehearsal was often spent trying to sober up some of the entertainers so they could stand upright for the show.

For my lesson I would have to come in play for 30 minutes and never repeat a section the same way twice. Ted would sit in the other room and pour a drink of something at 10 am. After 30 minutes, he would come into the room and show me all the different things I could have applied to the songs but didn't. I always taped this part of the lesson and went home and learned his tricks.
He moved to a retirement community a bit of a distance away. He tried to give me his photocopier when he left but it was huge and I lived in a tiny apartment.

After he moved, I tried to call and thank him for all the help but no number was listed. I tried several times,no luck. Several months went by until I awoke one morning and just knew today was the day I had to find his number to say my thank you. No luck with the phone operator.

I remembered he was a member of the local musicians union so I called the office. The receptionist put me through to the president. He came on the line and said, "I am sorry to inform you that I returned from his funeral yesterday."

Every hair on the back of my neck stood straight up. I wrote his wife and expressed my condolences. In turn, she passed on his box of charts which I still have. I am lucky to have met such a wonderful teacher. I really felt a strong sense of being handed a legacy and a responsibility to carry it on. Enjoy the solo.
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 02/10/09 03:22 AM
Hi Pete: I tried the 1-5-#4-5 pattern on Chattanooga and it works great. Don't know the Beatles song or have the lead sheet so couldn't try it. But I'm still wondering why that pattern (not the chord progression) couldn't be used with any song that uses the swing feel or any other one that you could use straight 8th notes on. Is there some reason that I'm not seeing. I tried it both ways with several different songs and liked the sound of it, some I didn't like.

Your explanation to Rosa about the arms was really a big help to me too. I think when we find something that is difficult for us to play we do tend to tense up and your explanation of what to do was really helpful and to slow down until we have brain space to play without tension.

I do have a question about this comment you made to Rosa:
"think going for a more legato sound at B in the LH (Relax the hand) will even up the eighths more.
The first note could shorten and the second take more time."
I thought this was in a swing rhythm so the first note would be held longer and the last one shorter?

Thanks Pete, and glad you are back!
Alene
Alene: You are right about the first note being longer and the second one shorter. Swing is a tricky business and sometimes my students play the long too long and the short too short which makes more like a dotted eighth and a sixteenth (especially when they are trying hard to get it right). I am looking for legato sound in the LH because I think it will get more wrist involved and loosen up the hand. That should round out the eighths a bit so the long is shortened up and the short is a little longer.
The 1-5-#4-5 pattern could be used on swing songs. I just saw it today in the Alfred's book on Go tell aunt Roadie boogie woogie goose. I think the problem is that I do not play too much boogie material so I can not name a string of songs that use the pattern. I just played it on All of Me and that works fine too.
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 02/10/09 05:43 AM
Thanks Pete, that answered all my questions and I thank you for a good clear explanation and now I see what you were saying with the long and short notes and makes perfect sense.

I hadn't ever seen that pattern before and I really like it on some songs so now I know I can use it more. I'll try it on All of Me too.

I really like your arrangement of St. Louis Blues altho this one of your teacher's is good too but I love yours and I'm still trying to speed it up some.

Alene
For those of you that are NEW to this thread, here is a video of the free lesson that Pete is teaching at this time.

Online VIDEO of St Louis Blues The hands of Pete the bean make their movie debut: ( Click on the picture )
[Linked Image]

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You can download the .avi version of the St. Louis Blues video at http://www.sendspace.com/file/5qs3rh

Here is the zipped St. Louis Blues Video file for download
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vjdc73
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Pete uploaded a video showing the fingering in Hola. You can watch it online here, or download it from the message Pete wrote below...
<a href='http://album2.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album25&id=Hola_Fingering_Final_copy' title='Fingering for HOLA - Photo Sharing by MyPhotoAlbum'><img src='http://pix.myphotoalbum.com/a/al/alb/albu/album/album2/albums/album25/Hola_Fingering_Final_copy.thumb.jpg' border=0 alt='Fingering for HOLA - Photo Sharing by MyPhotoAlbum'></a>
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 02/13/09 03:06 AM
Time to get the thread going again. I haven't worked on St. Louis Blues because I've been working on "You Thought You Had a Bad Day" from the Pop Piano Pro Book:

http://www.box.net/shared/lbb28vleu3

In this version I don't do too many of the right hand chords.

Thanks,
GregF
Quote
Originally posted by GregF:
Time to get the thread going again. I haven't worked on St. Louis Blues because I've been working on "You Thought You Had a Bad Day" from the Pop Piano Pro Book:

http://www.box.net/shared/lbb28vleu3

In this version I don't do too many of the right hand chords.

Thanks,
GregF
Well done Greg...I'm looking forward to my book...
Good work there Greg.

Pete, thanks for listening to my recording and also the very helpful advice. I find your feedback indeed very helpful. It makes it easier for me to play the one by Ted Collins and what a story you have there. It's very touching to see how someone else lives get touched by the others and then you are now passing it onto us. Some day, we too will pass them onto someone else.

I'll post a recording of this next St Louis Blues in a day or two.

Rosa
Hey Greg: Nice job. You have a good feel. Nice and relaxed. You nailed the 10ths on the repeat!
In the B section I could take more pedal. I like to hear the grace notes ring together. Change the pedal with every chord change. I usually recommend that the pedal change come a split second after the note is struck. So right at B, strike the C in the RH.on the first beat. When you get to the bottom of the key stroke, lift your foot a quick up down off the pedal, as if the key is sending a signal to your foot as soon as it hits bottom. (keep the heal on the floor) Ditto for the next C on beat 3.
Note check at B section- you have two grace notes and the next note on the downbeat- Beat 2-is a G. I am hearing F.
Thanks for posting. I really enjoyed your performance.
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 02/13/09 02:38 PM
Pete,

Thanks for the input. If you only heard one wrong note, you may be slipping laugh . This was a case of keep on playing through mistakes, since it was going much better than previous recordings.

I will definitely work on the pedaling. What about for 10ths sections - any pedaling? I intentionally left it out there because it gets muddy really quick and there's already a ton to think about with the hands. Adding the foot gets tough sometimes!

I am going to start working on the pro zone lessons for this piece now.

GregF
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 02/13/09 05:59 PM
Hi Greg: I enjoyed your new recording and was fun listening to it.

Alene
My book came today. Thanks for the very fast shipping Pete.

Also, the book has been assembled very well. Very professional with spiral bounding.

Mark
Hi,
My book arrived recently too, and I was equally impressed with the overall quality. I have spent most of the week-end slowly progressing on Hola wink I somehow got the feeling that there is much more in this first piece than a simple introduction (LH Throb alternate with broken chords, synchronous vs asynchronous LH/RH, etc.) and I enjoyed every minute of it. (not ready for prime time yet, but hopefully in a few days/weeks ...)
This thread (including Pete's participation) was the main reason for me to join and hope I can contribute my share.

Regards from Paris,

Thierry

P.S. I noticed that out of the $24.95 I paid for the method, $13.60 were spent for shipping: is Pete a philantrop (or did he win lotto)?
Thierry: I did not win the lotto. Study hard and learn something from my book and I will call that money in the bank.
A recent PM with Dale inspired this piece. It uses Alberti bass pattern. On the repeat I added a few harmony notes.
Audio: http://www.box.net/shared/bqileg0pzu
Sheet Music: http://www.box.net/shared/f1j8d6is51
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Originally posted by Pete the bean:
A recent PM with Dale inspired this piece. It uses Alberti bass pattern. On the repeat I added a few harmony notes.
Audio: http://www.box.net/shared/bqileg0pzu
Sheet Music: http://www.box.net/shared/f1j8d6is51
Thank you very much Pete. I am still working on the Alberti Bass. Getting the 2 hands working together is taking a little more time with this than I thought it would.
Everyone: Pete suggested a Fake Book to Ragtime Clown in a previous message. I will quote part of that message here:

Quote from Pete about the Fake Book:

The book "the Ultimate POP ROCK fake book" Hal Leonard HL00240099 contains 8 Beatles songs and 10 Carpenters songs which already makes it worth the price. There are 582 other songs as well.

End Quote:

I have that book, and I think it will be a big help along with the patterns in the Pop Piano Pro book.

Here is the link to that previous message in this thread about the fake book.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/7708/2.html#000041



List of the Songs in the Fake Book at this link.

http://www.andysmusiconline.com/products/the-ultimate-pop-rock-fake-book-4th-edition/hl00240099.html

Here is the Amazon link to it.

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Pop-...nstruments&qid=1235078661&sr=8-3

The sheet music store link.

http://www.music44.com/X/product/240099-H2
As promised here are some solos for St Louis Blues. The idea behind the solos is to keep your hand position steady and move from one chord to the next without big jumps.
Sheetmusic is here: http://www.box.net/shared/by6nro569s

Example #1 Poached audio: http://www.box.net/shared/0mt65vlhqq

Example #2 Sunny Side Up audio: http://www.box.net/shared/9aihglbjfq

Example #3 Over Easy audio: http://www.box.net/shared/h4qaltmufl

Example #4 Scrambled audio: http://www.box.net/shared/3z9e38cli2

HOLA FINGERING - THE MOVIE yippie
Finally, the hands of Pete the Bean in their long awaited sequel:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ut342j
Posted By: Alene Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 02/20/09 10:46 PM
Wow, thanks Pete for the audios and the sheetmusic....this should be fun and lots of opportunities to practice the Blues. How nice of you to do this for us.

I will be gone on a short trip for a few days but want you to know that I'm still playing the other songs and working also on "Watches". This one my hands are having a hard time keeping to the same rhythm pattern in the left hand. The song should be easy but my left hand keeps wanting to stray from the notated rhythm....I think my left hand is just used to doing it's own thing so trying to stay within the rhythm pattern for each phrase is my difficulty right now.

Your teaching is GREAT! Thanks!
Alene
Everyone following this thread...
What do the rest of you think of the video that Pete sent with the fingering for the first lesson ( Hola ) ?

Get the PDF file of the lesson at http://www.sendspace.com/file/05wxk8

It is helping me very much. You can download the video to your computer at
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ut342j

Or, View the online video of the fingering used in Hola ( Click on the hand of Pete the bean )
<a href='http://album2.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album25&id=Hola_Fingering_Final_copy' title='Fingering for HOLA - Photo Sharing by MyPhotoAlbum'><img src='http://pix.myphotoalbum.com/a/al/alb/albu/album/album2/albums/album25/Hola_Fingering_Final_copy.thumb.jpg' border=0 alt='Fingering for HOLA - Photo Sharing by MyPhotoAlbum'></a>
Wow, I was just away for a while....and lots of goodies for us.

First, Davy's groovy song with alberti bass sounds very nice and delicate. I like it.

And how creative you are Pete....the variety of cooking a music egg....yes, I love all of them, especially, you can probably guess which one........the scrambled boogie. Love those triplets in there.

And thanks for making those music sheets for us to see what you do. Better than this, you can't get. It's hard to imitate just by listening but now with the handouts I know actually what you do.

How good of you Pete to notate all these lessons for us to learn. This is really the best boogie blues lessons I've studied so far that is fun and very motivating.

Hope to record something for you to hear soon.

Rosa
One thing I have learned doing this thread is that a picture is worth 1000 words.
Here is Hola on video:
Hola Melody Fingering: http://www.4shared.com/file/89932420/e81ef5de/Hola_Fingering_Final_copy.html

Section A LH alone:
http://www.4shared.com/file/89846019/4bf82e87/Hola_Section_A_Hands_Together.html?

Section B LH alone part 1: http://www.4shared.com/file/89851925/c6051be9/Hola_Section_B_LH_part_1.html?
Section B LH alone part 2: http://www.4shared.com/file/89869159/cf5c282/Hola_Section_B_LH_part_2.html?

Section A HT: http://www.4shared.com/file/89846019/4bf82e87/Hola_Section_A_Hands_Together.html?

Section B HT: http://www.4shared.com/file/89911566/ca60356/Hola_Section_B_Hands_Together.html?

Pro Zone: http://www.4shared.com/file/89930857/9a28c755/Hola_ProZone.html

Hola Performance:
http://www.4shared.com/file/89833038/8b3750b1/Hola_Performance.html?
Very good! Thanks for sharing!

Rick
Dale began this thread about 3 months ago. I did not have a blog or a camcorder. Now about 3 months into things I have online friends around the globe. I am converting video to mp4. I have written a batch of songs and exercises that I have not had the motivation to write before. So thanks Dale for asking me to contribute. It has been a steep learning curve and a lot of fun.
Those Videos are fantastic Pete. You really know how to explain things and make them very clear. You are the one we all have to thank.
Anyone wanting the pdf file that has the sheet music and some instructions to the videos that Pete just sent, can get them at this link.

Hola Sheetmusic - First lesson from Poppianopro

You can right click on it and select Save Target As... to save it to your computer, or just click it to read the pdf file online.

Dale
Hello All,

I'm new here, so sorry if this was brought up before. Just some questions after a little background. To give you an idea of where I'm coming from, I'm about 10 pieces shy of finishing Book One of Alfreds All in One Course (so you see, I'm not even an intermediate player).

I notice that Pete's book has a "Write Your Own Hit" or similar section for mostly each tune.

At my level, should I go through the book and skip the sections that ask for that higher ability stuff? Or should I go for it?

Note that one of my piano goals is to learn to play from a fakebook. Multiple Choice Question:
Should I:

A) Start with the basics first and jump around Pete's book to get the basics. Then, later go back to the material about improvising.

B) 'Bite the bullet,' take it slow, and go through the book in its presented order.

Thanks!

Angelo
Angelo: A) Jump around. Do what you can do in my book.
Keep working on your Method book. It will teach you all the basics you need to get a handle on my book material. I know the method book can seem frustrating and a slow slog, but there is a whole lot to learn. From what I see on your progress on your blog, you have an iron will and your are making quick progress.

I think you may find the Write your own hit a bit of a challenge at this point. But if you do try that section, be sure to have my song from that lesson firmly in your fingers. The LH parts will be identical.



The moderator of the ABF, Greg, said that he sees a lot of good things going on in this thread, so he was kind enough to add it to the Study Groups under

Important Topics On The Adult Beginners Forum

Dale
Hi Everyone,

Notice that I have a new log in name. I just could not log in with my old user name even with change of passwords. Thanks to Dale and also BB player for trying to help me solve my problem, so I am posting now to show you that I can get logged in.

I wanted to say this last week.....but could not log in.

Last week, while I was playing a Jewish song at church called El Shaddai...... and I remember Pete mentioned about the Latin stride that can be used in 2/2 song....it was PERFECT....and I love it because the latin rhythm gave the song a mystical feeling. Exactly what I wanted to produce when the congregation was singing. Again it is that fingering that I love so much cuz in the past I used a wrong fingering and didn't give me that Latin rhythmic feel. Anyways thanks to PETE.

Although Pete said that he is not familiar with hymn playing but what you are teaching in your book sure is good for hymn playing.


Sometimes I think we may expect a lot from ourselves and expect 'magic' from a method or from a book and then we might evaluate quickly that this method or this book is no use. By doing so, we actually quit too soon or get disappointed too soon. Just like this Latin stride thing that I learned about 2 months ago...... and now I can readily use it for public playing at church. Some things need time to sink in.

I am moving on in Pete's book and working on the 3rd song 'Watches'. I am familiar with the LH accompaniment cuz I teach those to my students but somehow seeing someone teaching it and using them to help us improvise open a new door for me. It helps me break out to new grounds.

Thanks Dale for posting those videos. Now that my log in problem is fixed, I can get going again.

(I am going to press submit....and let's see what comes up, whether it works.)

Rosa

Guess what? It works.

But I am starting all over again -- back to post 1.

Rosa
Since I could not get back for the last week, I am wondering what's everyone is working on so that we know who is studying this together. It's kinda fun to know what each one of us is up to.

Again, thanks to Pete for all the extra help and files that you are making available to us. Also thanks to Dale for organizing everything neatly for us to access.

Rosa
Pete,

I am working on 'watches'. The song only moves around 3 chords. You said that it is Eb major and then it modulates to Fm. So the Bbm is actually the iv of i (Fm).

I am wondering why the natural minor of Fm is used here, or is it up to the composer to decide which key to modulate to and there needs no logical predictable chord progression to follow when it comes to modulation?

I would think that if one were to use the natural minor of Eb major, it would be Cm and not Fm in this song.

I'm a bit fuzzy about how minor chords are used and you mentioned that in the first lesson: natural minor, harmonic minor and jazz minor. I don't know when to decide to use which one, do you?

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The next question is about the cluster tones played togther on p.29. In Eb cluseter #2 where there is only half step of G to Ab....in the lower tones, I found that it sounds ok.

For Bbm the 3rd one where you have: F Bb C Db
-- the C and Db are only half steps away, and some teachers say to avoid that kind of clash as it doesn't sound good, what is your view on this?

Rosa smile
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 03/10/09 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by rosa2009
Since I could not get back for the last week, I am wondering what's everyone is working on so that we know who is studying this together. It's kinda fun to know what each one of us is up to.
Rosa


In PPP, I am working on Journey Into the Lights, while polishing Hola and You Thought You Had a Bad Day. Lights is a tough one!

I am also trying to apply the techniques we are learning here to several Beatles tunes - Let It Be, Hey Jude, and The Long and Winding Road. I have a Beatles Fake book I bought when I first restarted 2 years ago and really didn't know how to dress up the tunes. Now, though, things are slowly coming around.

GregF

Rosa: Your questions are getting tougher which must mean you are getting smarter.
Trying to figure this progression is a bit tricky. The Eb chord sounds like home so it must be a I chord(tonic). To my ears the Bbm is acting as ivm of Fm. I am calling the scale F natural minor or aeolian mode. I hear the seventh note of the scale Eb working well with the Bbm chord. E natural is not doing it. ( a #11 does not work well with a minor chord.)
So what minor scale I use does depend on whether my IV chord is major or minor. If the song went to a Bb major chord, I would stay away from the natural minor because the Db note in the scale would clash with the D natural in the Bb chord.
It also depends on the I chord. Do I hear Fm7 as tonic or do I prefer a Fm maj7 or Fm6.
To modulate, all you really need is a V7 to precede the new key. Most likely, the modulation will not stray too far around the key cycle. And in this case, we stay close. Only 1 note needs to change from the Eb major scale to F natural minor.( D changes to Db).
In this song there is no V7/ivm. If you wanted to reharmonize you could try a C7 b9 before the Fm.

With regard to 1/2 steps clashing, the C Db are not a typo. I love the sound of a minor chord with an add 9. I use that often and it really fills the sound nicely. Try Cm root positon CEbG. Now stick a D between the C and Eb. You like? I also fill in my major triads the same way.
So my opinion is that it depends on the function of the note (123...#11 b13etc) and what is going on around it whether or not to avoid it It does not depend on whether it is 1/2 step interval.
Pete,

Your explanation on the minor chord makes sense. You have a way of explaining things in a very clear manner so that we can get it.

Regarding the 1/2 step clash that I was asking, you said:

"So my opinion is that it depends on the function of the note (123...#11 b13etc) and what is going on around it whether or not to avoid it It does not depend on whether it is 1/2 step interval."

I find your reply interesting. I've been concentrating on the wrong thing. I like that D in the Cm chord too but I had the impression we were to avoid 1/2 step clash cuz people find it too harsh.

Off hand, would you know which function of the note would make the clash undesirable? I can only think of a 7 and tonic in a major 7 chord when the melody tone is tonic.

Rosa
Rosa: My training has been to associate certain scales with each type of chord. I do not think too much about intervals but more about the scale degree. These days I just try to listen and not think so much. But it is nice to have a few guide lines when encountering new concepts and different ways of thinking about creating music.
Here is a quick list of several chord types and associated scales.
For a major 7- use the major scale, or pentatonic. avoid the 4th and b7 and b9. use #4(Lydian)
For V7 - the mixolydian mode, blues scale or diminished scale (1/2step, wholestep)- any note will do but don't emphasize the 4 or Maj7
For Min7- if the chord is a iim7-dorian. If the chord is acting as a iim7 or vim7 in a major key, use the scale of I major. The Maj3 Maj7 and#4 and b9 are not good places to park or put on the downbeat. On a iiim7, avoid the 9.

Originally Posted by Pete the bean
Dale began this thread about 3 months ago. I did not have a blog or a camcorder. Now about 3 months into things I have online friends around the globe. I am converting video to mp4. I have written a batch of songs and exercises that I have not had the motivation to write before. So thanks Dale for asking me to contribute. It has been a steep learning curve and a lot of fun.


Just checking in to see if anyone is working on some of the free lessons that Pete added to this thread? For those of you that want to learn to play music from a fake book, there is a wealth of information in this thread. Here is a link to a post made by Rodney, and he likes the book that Pete wrote.

Rodney's choice of Fake Book Tutorials

Another post by Rodney

Rodney posted this earlier in this thread

There are some free lessons in this thread that should help anyone wanting to learn Piano. Like Rodney says in his post, the author is a member of Piano World, Pete the bean, and getting support should not be a problem.

Inviting the Fakebook thread members here too. I know they will like the tips and free lessons.

Inviting the Fakebook thread members to join us here

Dale
Hi everyone...

I'm just getting started on the first lesson. I still need to read pages 2 through 9 of this thread. I'm also interested in the Fakebook thread, but I think I need to do these lessons first to prepare myself.

Roger
When I wrote my book, I never imagined it would end up on the beginner thread. So,I took time out to write a beginner book to present the material at a beginner level. It is in final stages of writing. Here are the first 2 lessons. The material should fit in with any of the method books.
http://www.box.net/shared/0nu9a0u69b
Posted By: wj3 Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 04/04/09 02:35 PM
Pete. This is exactly what I need. When is the book going to be finished? Looking forward to it.

Thanks

Walt
I think the book will be done by the end of the month. The pieces are written, but there are hours of layout ahead. Then again, my wife might ask me to paint the kitchen and then the book will not get done for a while longer.
I am not a participant of this thread and have only seen the samples of the original book that are posted here. And now also this sample Beginner's book. I really feel compelled to say to Pete how very excellent, clear, and succinct your step-by-step instructions are. I am so glad there are skillful and dedicated teachers out there - and participating in ABF to give such support. Awesome!
Originally Posted by Rosanna
I am not a participant of this thread and have only seen the samples of the original book that are posted here. And now also this sample Beginner's book. I really feel compelled to say to Pete how very excellent, clear, and succinct your step-by-step instructions are. I am so glad there are skillful and dedicated teachers out there - and participating in ABF to give such support. Awesome!


I second that Rosanna. Pete has really given lots of help in this thread. Now that he is writing a book that takes the study of playing from fakebooks from the beginning, I think that Pianoworld beginners forums has become one of the best places on the internet to learn Piano.

Dale
yea, now I can participate. great
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 05/18/09 06:44 PM
PPP'ers,

Thought I'd revive this thread. I am back working on Journey, but I was distracted from new PPP material for the last few weeks because of this....

I was just crazy enough to play the prelude music for a recital this past Friday night. I played 5 tunes , 2 of which were from Pop Piano Pro. Total stage time was around 11 minutes.

Below are the links to the video of these 2. Since there were two recitals, I did this twice, and these are from the first session, where I mas most terrified. I was much more comfortable on round two. The lighting did not turn out great, but you can hear pretty well.

Hola was my first piece:
http://www.box.net/shared/5574qfq7ra

You Thought You had a Bad Day was my 4th piece:
http://www.box.net/shared/ib4tzx0zy1

Thanks,
GregF
Hi Greg,

Wow, videos -- I just watched your 2 videos recital. You are doing great! You don't look nervous to me but it must be very challenging when there are so many eyes staring your way. I can tell you are enjoying your pieces.

I'll have to try the "Bad day" piece.


Rosa
Greg: Congratulations on your performance. You did an awesome job. Thanks for the video. Watching your video was the highlight of my career as an educator.


OK Pete,

This is the post where I will ask you to keep us posted about when your "Take the Lead" book will be ready....I'm looking forward to purchasing it, and perhaps others are too.

Thanks!

Angelo: I peaked at your blog yesterday and see you are off to the races with the preview. How's that going for you.? Ask questions if you have any.

Thanks for asking about the book . It is still at the printers. It was to be ready on Friday. On Thursday I received a call telling me they ran out of paper stock frown

I am hoping to have some books in about a week. This morning I am doing a presentation for a local teachers association and will have to manage without any books on hand. frown x frown (Exponential no happy but rolling with the punches)!

I will let you know when I have things ready to go. Peter
Posted By: jotur Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 05/25/09 05:42 PM
GregF - what a fun thing! The pieces were great, and well-chosen for preludes. I loved watching.

I can see you're much taller than me, though. laugh I have to sit right on the edge of the bench in order to have my feet reach the pedals longitudinally and lattitudinally.

Cathy
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 05/25/09 11:33 PM
Originally Posted by jotur
GregF - what a fun thing! The pieces were great, and well-chosen for preludes. I loved watching.

I can see you're much taller than me, though. laugh I have to sit right on the edge of the bench in order to have my feet reach the pedals longitudinally and lattitudinally.

Cathy


Thanks, Cathy. I was the tallest, oldest and probably most terrified of the recital participants!

GregF
Pete:

I'm on p. 11 of the "Take the Lead" book, where you talk about intervals. You talk about the white keys....should we not worry about the black keys at this point?

Thanks,
Angelo
Angelo: Thanks for the question. I think the black keys should be left out of the discussion at this point. What I am attempting to do at this early stage is introduce the basic concept of intervals so the conversation about how music works can begin. I have worked very hard not to put too much information on the page. If this is new information for the reader, it is easy to reach the saturation point and have them put the book away.


On paper it is easy to see the concept of intervals. In the treble clef, E above middle C is on the bottom line of the staff. F is in the first space of the staff above it. A line note,E, to the next space note F, is an interval of a 2nd. On the piano this is a 1/2 step.
If we begin on the 2nd line of the treble staff, G above middle C, and move up to A in the second space, we have also have an interval of a second. No problem with that idea except on the piano the interval is now a whole step. So the interval discussion, on the keyboard itself, has to move to the concept of major and minor intervals. So if I keep the discussion of intervals strictly to the notes on the staff, I can keep the lesson on track and get my student playing the piano, which is my priority.

To really understand the concept of intervals on the keyboard, I think it is important to have a major scale under your fingers, even for the white note intervals. It makes it easier for the student to grasp the concept. As an example: The interval of E to F. The second note of the E major scale , F#, is a whole step above the Root E. E to F is a 1/2 step and the second note of the E major scale has to be flatted to F natural creating an interval of a minor second. This conversation will mean a lot more to someone who has the scale of E major in their fingers.

A great place to go for basic theory online http://www.musictheory.net/
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 05/28/09 02:29 AM
Something I really like about Pop Piano Pro is the way it works the left hand. Left hand movement is one of my biggest challenges. I had worked on Journey into the Lights earlier in the year, before I really buckled down on my recital pieces. Since the recital is over, I have practiced Journey hard over the last 2 weeks. I am making progress..slowly!!. Hands separate is going nicely, but together is a challenge on this one, especially part B. Here is a recording of the intro and part A with repeat. Part B is still a train wreck. Feel free to give critical feed back, as this is definitely rough.

http://www.box.net/shared/ux8izu2te5

Thanks,
GregF
Greg: Wow! You are harmonizing the RH melody.

I want to check your RH fingering at the A section. Using the fingering 421 for the D chord and the Bm chord at bar 5 is what I would suggest. Most examples of chord inversions will show only 531 or 521. If you are needing a note a step above the chord then 421 is a good bet. Your pinky is now free to grab the note above the chord.
Your hand will be in position for the chords in the first bar of section A off the lead in from the intro. (5 on G, 4 on F#, 2 on D, thumb on A.) All you have to do is move your thumb from A to B to nail the harmony on the D chord and then the Bm in the first bar.

I have not had time to post the video of this tune on the blog yet, but I will soon. My student recital is over this weekend. About 40 performances. I am looking forward to this grand event. A lot of my students have really gone big this year.
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 05/29/09 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by Pete the bean
Greg: Wow! You are harmonizing the RH melody.

I want to check your RH fingering at the A section. Using the fingering 421 for the D chord and the Bm chord at bar 5 is what I would suggest. Most examples of chord inversions will show only 531 or 521. If you are needing a note a step above the chord then 421 is a good bet. Your pinky is now free to grab the note above the chord.
Your hand will be in position for the chords in the first bar of section A off the lead in from the intro. (5 on G, 4 on F#, 2 on D, thumb on A.) All you have to do is move your thumb from A to B to nail the harmony on the D chord and then the Bm in the first bar.


Thanks, Pete. If piano was a RH only instrument, I could be the man. 421 is the fingering I have been using.

Here is a recording of the full version. It is not a total train wreck, but has a few clunker spots. I have made much progress on it this week (no wise cracks from anyone if this doesn't sound like progress!). One hard thing to do is slow down enough to play steady.

Journey Into the Lights Full version + bonus clunkers:
http://www.box.net/shared/91kt39dedd


GregF
Greg: Holy Smoke! You are getting there fast. This is not an easy song for either hand. With this song behind you I think you will find you have developed the skills to tackle almost any 6/8 or 12/8 pop ballad and build a great arrangement. I bet What A Wonderful World could take the LH treatment. Memory from Cats. I Want You, I Need You , I Love You (Elvis). Lights (Journey) ought to jump right into your fingers.
Pete:
For a self-learner using your materials as well as Method Books, do you recommend any other supplemental stuff like Hanon or anything else?
Angelo: I think I would not recommend Hanon as a supplement unless you are using it as a transposing exercise. It would be difficult to work on finger technic without knowing what needs improving or where the problem really lies. Often, a problem with how the fingers are working is tension in the arm or shoulders.

When I teach, I like to cover a lot of tunes because it helps with memorizing chords and is a lot more fun than a chord exercise. I will work certain songs because the chord progression appears in a lot of other songs or because I can teach a certain style. I find it difficult to maintain a students interest if I dish out chord exercises. I try to incorporate the intent of the exercise in an arrangement so a tune is being learned in the process.

However, if you have the time and inclination I would spend it learning chord exercises. ii V7 I if you want to learn American Songbook standards. That being said, I would be sure to have the triads down in inversions before I moved to 4 note chords. Even though they are just adding a single note to the triad, the situation is a lot more complex with 4 note chords.

One book I like that works towards getting the chords and scales together is Tim Richards Exploring Jazz Piano vol 1. It covers a lot of material and it is a big step up from Alfreds level 1. I would recommend waiting a while until you get further down the road in the method books, Alfred or Faber or Hal Leonard before I went shopping for that book. You could end up frustrated.


Pete (and all):

I received the "Take the Lead" book today, and it seems great....!
Pete, will you able able to take questions about this book on this thread?

Thanks,
Angelo
Anjelo: I am glad you have received your book and hope you learn a lot. I really enjoyed writing the songs and tried hard to make the book accessible. The material is going to be easier that the Pop Piano Pro book. About another half of a book came down the pipe while putting this one together. I will be working hard over the summer to put the next one together!
Please ask questions here. I do check the thread regularly and will try to get back to you in a timely fashion.
Congrats Pete for writing another book.
I am sure this new book is perfect for the beginners adults in this forum.

Some people want to buy your book because your instructions in the Pop Piano Pro is excellent.

Can you maybe post the link for people to click on to buy?
They really appreciate the support and teaching you give here for them.

I am busy at the moment but will get back to you on some other points. Glad to hear you completed the students recitals. Your students are very lucky to have you teaching them in person.

Rosa smile
Pete:
I received my book too, and thank you very much for adding " For Dale " in the beginning of it. I am really glad that I started this thread for sure. It has helped to introduce a great teacher to everyone here on Piano World. I found your Pop Piano Pro book from a message that Rodney wrote here on PW, and after I purchased it, I knew just by listening to the CD that came with the book how great of a player that you are.
Pop Piano Pro was way over my level, as I was just learning to read the bass clef. But, I am so glad that I purchased it, and want to thank you again for joining us in this thread when I asked you to. To top it off, you went out of your way, and wrote a book that will get us beginners rolling.
I have noticed since joining Piano World that there are a lot of helpful people here at this web site, and you are at the Top Of the List Pete.

Thanks Again,

Dale
Pete:

I echo Dale's thanks! Question: I have Tim Richards "Improvising Blues Piano." Is it comparable/interchangable with Richards' "Exploring Jazz Piano," or do you still recommend the "Exploring Jazz Piano" one over the "Improvising Blues Piano" book?

Thanks,
Angelo
Thank you all for your kind words.
Rosa: The preview of the book is here: http://www.box.net/shared/0nu9a0u69b
I start at 5 finger positions and move through C G and F major plus their relative minor keys. It should be appropriate for students who have completed any Adult level one course . This book is about learning to play lead sheets. It covers primary chords and cadences and then puts them to good use in a song. I tried very hard not to make a book of exercises but just get on with putting things together in a song. My website is getting an update soon: www.poppianopro.com

Dale: Thank you for starting the thread. I wrote the new book because I was worried that the first book was too difficult for most beginners. The most important thing about teaching is to be sure students feel like they get it and make steady progress. If it is too hard, they get discouraged and want to quit the journey. Music is just too much joy to let that happen.

Angelo: I peaked at your blog. Congratulations on completing Amazing Grace!
Yes I would recommend Exploring Jazz Piano vol 1 over the Improvising blues book. Both books really set a new standard. Exploring Jazz covers more styles.

Playing the LH boogie patterns in the blues book takes a lot of left hand/right hand coordination. I think that makes the blues book more difficult. Not that the Exploring Jazz book is going to be an easy ride. I think I would wait at least until completing level 2 adult beginners before tackling the book.

What I like is that Exploring Jazz has as its goal to get technic into your fingers and theory into your head. If you did all the work in the first chapter you would have covered major chords in all inversions and know it in almost all 12 keys. It would take a while (years not months) to plow through the whole book because it is filled with a whole lot of information. I would not set expectations short term or you could be discouraged.
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 06/17/09 02:22 AM
I don't have a very recent recording of Journey into the Lights, but you'll have to take my word that it is improving. Enough so, that I have started working with Not Mad At the World Anymore. I still need to work on Journey pro zone and a couple of other parts, but sometimes you need to take a break and come back to it a week or so later.

Anyway...in Not Mad, I was not familiar with the symbol above the Bb in measures 14 and 18, so I researched (and listened to the CD) and believe I determined it is an inverted mordent, meaning a trill with the D and C in this case. Is that correct?

Thanks,
GregF
Greg: Yes, this is an inverted mordent. Because there is a line through the ornament, you are to begin on the note indicated and a quick dip to the next lower scale tone and then back to the note indicated. If there was no line through the symbol you would be moving to the next scale above the indicated note. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordent

The website has been updated with audio and pdf samples from the Take The Lead book. Also video lessons from the Pop Pro have been moved to the website from the blog. http://www.poppianopro.com/
Pete:

I'm on p.30 of the "Take the Lead" book. In that tune, we are to play the C, F, and G chords with the notes in this order: C chord = C, E, G notes in that order; F chord = F, A, C notes in that order; G chord = G, B, D notes in that order.

My question is: Is it OK to instead play the 3 chords by playing some inversions (with C Chord = C, E, G notes in that order; F Chord = C, F, A notes in that order; G Chord = D, G, B notes in that order)?

Thanks
Hey Ang -- you are ahead of the game. Chord inversions don't occur until page 44. You're not supposed to be that smart yet to figure it out. grin

It is a cool book tho, don't ya think?

thumb thumb thumb for Pete the Bean
Angelo: Congrats on your progress!
Why would I put everything in root position? I am trying to teach concepts. You need to know root position before inversions really make sense. You have that down so go for inversions!

Pete - Just curious -- Do you have any plans for other books along the same pop style as Take the Lead and Pop Piano Pro?

They are both thoroughly enjoyable!

Barb
Barb: Thanks for asking.
I am working hard on Take the Lead level 2. All the songs are written and I am in the process of writing text and typing it into the computer until all hours. I am spending lots of nights up passed 2 A.M. trying to make it happen. I think I can have it ready to go to print in September. I also plan more videos of the book material and hope to have that up by fall as well.

I hope your students are enjoying the book.

The preview of first few lessons in Take the Lead Level 1: http://www.box.net/shared/0nu9a0u69b

Audio Samples and video are at the website: http://www.poppianopro.com/

Originally Posted by Pete the bean
Barb: Thanks for asking.
I am working hard on Take the Lead level 2. All the songs are written and I am in the process of writing text and typing it into the computer until all hours. I am spending lots of nights up passed 2 A.M. trying to make it happen. I think I can have it ready to go to print in September. I also plan more videos of the book material and hope to have that up by fall as well.

I hope your students are enjoying the book.

The preview of first few lessons in Take the Lead Level 1: http://www.box.net/shared/0nu9a0u69b

Audio Samples and video are at the website: http://www.poppianopro.com/



Pete;
I will buy book 2 when it is finished. You write your material in a way that is really easy to learn. Doing fine in book 1. Keep them coming. Like you said, they work great along side of about any method book you want.
Thanks again for writing these.

Dale
I ordered Pop Piano Pro two months ago. It got here (Bogota) in just nine days. Pete was very helpful during the ordering process. He has also given me valuable advice on how to improve my piano practice and, specifically, on how I could make “Besame mucho” (C. Velasquez) sound better.

The first chapter of the book, Hola, has been a rich experience for me. I had never opened chords to 10ths before. I have been practicing these often so that I can use them as a natural LH accompaniment alternative in the future. Also, moving the LH from chord to chord along the keyboard was new to me. I have practiced part B (Dm-G-C-F-Bb-E) both looking and not looking at the keyboard, trying to get them precisely and gradually up to speed.

Pete sent me a PDF with the Latin stride. I have started using it with songs I play by ear like “Patricia, it's Patricia” (Perez Prado), “La paloma” (Yradier), “Sal si puedes” (porro, L. Bermudez) and “Playa, brisa y mar” (porro, R. Campo Miranda) . The difficult part is to get so used to the stride that you can hit the LH keys without looking or doing it so fast that the right hand doesn't get lost. Also, in some songs you have to use the pedal, at least between the root and the fifth. Here again, new ground for me.

With Pop Piano Pro I am receiving the practical knowledge I needed so badly to improve my playing by ear and also to make songs taken from “easy piano” sheets sound better. This has given a new sense of purpose to my study of the piano. Pete's contagious enthusiasm is a huge bonus because it steers you to find the patience and energy you need when you are studying without a teacher.

Finally, I'd like to congratulate blues flat 7 for having started this thread in the Piano World forum. This is a valuable complement to Pete's method. I have read the posts and listened to many of the recordings, learning all the time. They give you a permanent dose of optimism and help you to continue improving. You couldn't ask for more.
It is nice to hear back that the book is helping and that the postal service is working well. I call these kind of emails chicken soup moments. It is really quite an amazing feeling for me to hear back from afar that the book has had a positive outcome. It has motivated me to write more lessons and has the creative juices flowing. -Peter
Originally Posted by rvillate


With Pop Piano Pro I am receiving the practical knowledge I needed so badly to improve my playing by ear and also to make songs taken from “easy piano” sheets sound better. This has given a new sense of purpose to my study of the piano. Pete's contagious enthusiasm is a huge bonus because it steers you to find the patience and energy you need when you are studying without a teacher.

Finally, I'd like to congratulate blues flat 7 for having started this thread in the Piano World forum. This is a valuable complement to Pete's method. I have read the posts and listened to many of the recordings, learning all the time. They give you a permanent dose of optimism and help you to continue improving. You couldn't ask for more.


Thank you rvillate, as I am glad that I started it too. This thread is a great place to ask Pete questions about the books too, as he seems to always answer everyone very fast.

Dale
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 08/17/09 05:14 PM
Haven't seen any recordings here lately. I'm assuming everyone has been taking it easy this summer. Here is my recording for Not Mad at the World Anymore. Some of you may have heard it on the most recent ABF recital.

http://www.box.net/shared/caxxqnoka4


If you are not recording yourself, let me encourage you to do so. This was about my 10th take on this. Even though I had been practicing it most of the summer, I was suprised how bad it sounded on the first take. Now, it still may be bad to some, but it is a whole lot better after recording/listening/recording/listening.

On to Sleeping Through September..

Later,
GregF
Greg: Thanks for posting your efforts. I agree that recording your efforts can reveal a lot of things (good and bad) that you would never notice just playing. Listening back after not hearing the recording for a few weeks or months can also reveal things like "Hey I sound great"!

I think the most difficult thing to get right when recording a digital piano is the pedaling. It is either full on or full off unless you have a piano capable of 1/2 pedal. You have a done an amazing job of the pedaling on your recording.

I like the balance between the hands. Your LH in the into is nice and light. The melody stays prominent right through the verse and chorus. I like your dynamics on measure 21. Slight crescendo and then easing off on the F at bar 22. Nice ritard on the final arpeggio.

I hope you are having as much fun playing the songs as I had writing the material. It is such a privilege for me to be able to hear the material get performed. -Peter



Walking Bass lesson: http://www.box.net/shared/18xjebtn0k
Hi Pete:

Can you explain specifically how a self-learner can incorporate your stuff into fakebook playing?
For example, can you suggest some thing like, "after you get past page X of the Take the Lead 1 book, try the stuff you've learned so far on songs like 'Love Me Tender' and 'Jingle Bells' in the Key of C."

I'm going back into your material again, and I'd like to express my appreciation for all your help keeping the dream alive for us!

Angelo
Angelo: The Take The Lead and Pop Pro books are designed to get you playing chords, in various patterns, stride and arpeggio. The LH staff is getting you to think by chord function not by notes, This will aid you in understand the harmony and figuring out the nuts and bolts of how the music is put together. It is the skill of putting the music together that you need to play off a fake sheet.
So, right off the top of song one in Take The Lead 1, simply applying roots of the chords to the melody should work on pretty much any song. Next skill, Root and 5, will work anytime you need to play a power chord. (Play like that on every song and I will think you are a guitar player making the switch to keys). Here is a preview a song in Take The Lead 2. This is an exploration of the minor blues scale using Root and 5 in the LH. http://www.box.net/shared/2vnfmtgz9u


Next you will find primary chords in root position. Once you have the primary chords down in a given key, the next time you play a tune in that key you will have encountered the same batch of chords. Your fingers know the shapes and your head knows what the chords are doing. It takes practice, all you need is the desire.
As your skill level improves you get a bit fancier with the LH patterns. I only use about 10 LH patterns when I go out and play a wedding. The patterns need to be down in all keys.

On the blog you will find a list of songs that can take a certain pattern. As well the song titles in Pop Piano Pro strongly hint at a song that can take the LH pattern. You may also find you need only play a new melody to make a go of it. I hope that helps. -Peter
Originally Posted by Pete the bean
Angelo: The Take The Lead and Pop Pro books are designed to get you playing chords, in various patterns, stride and arpeggio.

On the blog you will find a list of songs that can take a certain pattern. As well the song titles in Pop Piano Pro strongly hint at a song that can take the LH pattern. You may also find you need only play a new melody to make a go of it. I hope that helps. -Peter


I will explain the blog to the new people joining the thread. Pete's beginning book, Take the Lead, volume 1, has a CD included with it containing all of the songs in the book. Everyone that buys any of the books from Pete's site, poppianopro, can join a blog that he has set up for his customers. The songs are also on the blog, so you don't always have to put the CD in to hear the songs that you are working on.

Angelo: Thanks for asking your questions on this thread. They are helping me too when you get your answers. thumb

Pete: This song that you just posted from Take the Lead volume 2, Burnin it, sounds Great!!! yippie

Dale
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 08/26/09 08:15 PM
Peter,

You undertook TTL Vol. 1 and ended up carrying over to a Volume 2. That is great news for us. Obviously, the 2 books are meant to get people ready for Pop Piano Pro Vol. 1. So, do you now view PPP Vol. 1 as the 3rd step in your series? Do you envision a PPP Vol. 2 one day?

Thanks,
GregF
Greg: It is shaping up that PPP vol1 will be the fourth book in the series. With the Take The Lead books, I am trying to cover all the keys up to four sharps and flats. The goal is to get fluent in all major and minor scales and the primary triads. TTL Vol 2 covers pentatonic and blues scales. The outline for Vol 3 will be styles and flat keys up to four sharps. I will try to write Vol 3 over the next year. I hope to have it complete by September next year when I present the material to the provincial music teachers conference.

The goal of the Take The Lead books is to get major and minor scales and chords into the fingers through the pieces. Figuring out how to make the material logical and accessible to the beginner was a fun challenge. I think I managed to get the scale and all primary chords into every song. All the songs are entirely diatonic so if you play the left hand part and mess with the scale tones as you improvise in the RH, everything should work out.

My plan was to continue Pop Piano Pro Vol2 composing with scale tone seventh chords. (4 note chords appear in the last song of Vol 1.)
However, this thread ended up in the Adult Beginner Forum so I thought it important to supply appropriate material. As long as the new songs keep rolling down the pipe, I will write Pop Piano 2 next year after I finish TTL 3. That should give you enough time to get through all of VOl1. smile



I'm bumping this up to let you know that Take the Lead Level 2 is hot off the press. I have my copy. The songs are great!

Barb
My book is on its way too Barb. Thanks for bumping the thread up. I think there are a lot of new users here on Piano World, and many of them would probably like the way that Pete writes his materials, and gives all of the help you need, whenever you need it, right here in this thread.
There are free mini lessons back in the beginning of this thread, and you can check out the site where the books can be purchased at Pop Piano Pro

Dale
OK, Pete, I'm getting into your book yet again!
Originally Posted by angelojf
OK, Pete, I'm getting into your book yet again!


Angelojf;
How are you coming along with these books? I want to dive back into them again too.

Dale
Dale,

I restared Pete'e first "Take the Lead" book, and I intend on going through all three. Where are you in his books?

I am going to be using Pete's ideas to work on the Beatles song "Something," and I'll be posting my progress on this thread.

Among other things, perhaps we can use this thread to follow each other's progress, hear how we are sounding, and push each other forward? Perhaps others who are using Pete's books may feel inclined to jump in!

Good luck, and keep me posted!

-Angelo
Originally Posted by angelojf
Dale,

I restared Pete'e first "Take the Lead" book, and I intend on going through all three. Where are you in his books?


Good luck, and keep me posted!

-Angelo


Hi Angelo,
I am only about half way thru the first book. I did not get to practice much for the last year. Getting back to it now. I want to review a lot of the beginning of book one and work on a song called Fields of Gold. I think that one may be a little easier for me right now as I get back into playing again.
If you are in book one, what page are you up to?

Dale
Hi Dale,

I'm on p.20 of Pete's first book. I'm dissappointed because my USB jack broke on my computer; I was going to post how the Beatles' song "Somethng" sounds, using Pete's ideas - - I'm working on that song too, and hopefully I'll get the computer fixed soon.

If you feel like it, it'd be great to hear "Fields of Gold" either as you progress through it, or when you are done.

Good luck!

Angelo
Hi Pete, Dale, and whoever,

Here's how "Something" sounds at this point.....
Any ideas, let me know!

http://www.box.net/shared/4jst9xj3y8
Posted By: jotur Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/02/10 01:12 AM
Angelo, that sounded cool! I've been trying out some "by ear" stuff (for years, but since just before Christmas - ) quite a bit, and you have some nice arranging going on there.

Cathy
Originally Posted by angelojf
Hi Pete, Dale, and whoever,

Here's how "Something" sounds at this point.....
Any ideas, let me know!

http://www.box.net/shared/4jst9xj3y8


Angelo;
Sounds like you are moving along fine on that song. I started practicing Fields of Gold today, and maybe after a week or so will send any progress that I make.
Keep up the good work...

Dale
Angelo: Nice work! A couple of LH patterns and you have created a nice arrangement.
I hope the books are helping you gain experience applying patterns and working in new keys. -Peter
Angelo:
There is a great lesson in 4 note chords in the first 3 bars of Something.


The melody begins on a C in Bar 1. This is over a C major chord. The Chord symbol is C and the melody note is the root ,C, of the chord. The major chord is built with the Root 3rd and 5th note of the major scale. Since the melody note is a chord tone, it does not affect the chord symbol.

In the second measure the chord remains C and the melody note drops to B , the 7th note of the major scale. To account for this 4th note, which is a no chord tone, the chord symbol becomes CMaj7 to account for the non chord tone. Note that the major 7th is a 1/2 step down from C, the root or tonic of the chord. This chord is built with the Root, 3rd, 5th, and 7th note of the major scale.

In the 3rd bar the chord remains C and the melody note is Bb or a whole step down from C, the root of the chord. This chord is labelled C7 to account for the non chord tone Bb .This chord is built using the Root, 3rd, 5th, and b7th notes of the major scale.
It is important to memorize the formula of the chords construction so you get very familiar with each note of the chord and the symbols used to represent it. This skill is essential if you are trying to arrange a fake sheet or analyze an arrangement and understand why it sounds cool. You will carry over this knowledge to each new song you arrange and find you are building a vocabulary of chords, licks and idiomatic patterns that get applied over and over. With time you just end up having fun and your fingers just go to the right place.
Keep Rockin' Angelo!
THanks Dale, Jotur, and Pete:
Still working on "Something," and it sounds nice. Keep the tips coming, Pete!
Ok, folks, here's my "Something."
It ain't perfect,but here it is!
Thanks Pete!
http://www.box.net/shared/2fbtxs7elq
Angelo: For someone with less than a year at the piano, that is a fabulous performance. I like all the little extras you added to your arrangement. That is exactly what is supposed to happen and you will get more and more tricks up your sleeve with each song you add to your repertoire. I hope my tips helped.
One important thing to take with you from this song is the descending line - Am, Am/G#, Am/G Am/F#. I use this in Take The Lead level1 pg 42 - Minor League Blues.
You will hear that in Got To Get U Into My Life as well as John Lennon's I'm losing you, to name a couple of examples. Learn those songs too so you get the progression into your head and you can use it on the fly. You can use this trick, even over 1 bar, if the melody allows for it. An example is on the bridge of Here There and Everywhere. There is a minor chord on the 3rd bar, I know I need never care. You can run the line in eight notes beginning on the and of 3.
Nice work Angelo!
Thanks again Pete. Your ideas are very helpful to me, and I encourage other folks out there to check out your books!
Just another reason to check out Pete's stuff: It looks like purchasers of the book have access to his blog on which he expresses other stuff~
Angelo, your rendition of "Something" was "Something"!! It was excellent!

Maybe I need to buy that book!! :-)

Keep up the good work... you are destined for greatness!

Rick
Originally Posted by angelojf
Ok, folks, here's my "Something."
It ain't perfect,but here it is!
Thanks Pete!
http://www.box.net/shared/2fbtxs7elq


Before Christmas it was my intention to stay away from PianoWorld as much as I could and refrain from posting. However, after listening to Angelo's arrangement of 'Something' I just had to come out of hiding to say well done - this is a beautiful piece.

How inspiring!

Posted By: jotur Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/10/10 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Ragtime Clown
Originally Posted by angelojf
Ok, folks, here's my "Something."
It ain't perfect,but here it is!
Thanks Pete!
http://www.box.net/shared/2fbtxs7elq


Before Christmas it was my intention to stay away from PianoWorld as much as I could and refrain from posting. However, after listening to Angelo's arrangement of 'Something' I just had to come out of hiding to say well done - this is a beautiful piece.

How inspiring!



smile

Cathy
angelo

I am very impressed with your "Something"
You have sparked my interest to look further into Pete's book.
Thanks
Carl
Originally Posted by jotur
Originally Posted by Ragtime Clown
Originally Posted by angelojf
Ok, folks, here's my "Something."
It ain't perfect,but here it is!
Thanks Pete!
http://www.box.net/shared/2fbtxs7elq


Before Christmas it was my intention to stay away from PianoWorld as much as I could and refrain from posting. However, after listening to Angelo's arrangement of 'Something' I just had to come out of hiding to say well done - this is a beautiful piece.

How inspiring!



smile

Cathy



Cathy, this thread is for those of us who want to learn from each other and post positive contributions. I don't think Pete or Angelo would appreciate you jumping in here with nothing to offer.

Carl & Rick: Thanks so much for the positive feedback! Much appreciated!
Ragtime: I'm honored you came out of the silence to post; thanks!
Cathy: Thanks for the smile!

Ragtime: Cathy did post a smile, and that's a good thing!

To all: Pete is a great guy, and he's been very helpful to me. I encourage anyone with questions about his stuff to send him a PM.

THanks again, Pete!
Originally Posted by angelojf

To all: Pete is a great guy, and he's been very helpful to me. I encourage anyone with questions about his stuff to send him a PM.



Angelo;
Your Something is becoming Fantastic! Keep up the good work. I am still working on Fields. Going slower than I thought, but still trying to get it. I like how each of the lessons in Pete's books gets you to work with some different chords. Like you said, Pete is a great guy, and he is very helpful with anything you need help with.
A reminder to everyone, you can hear some of the audios of materials that are in the books right from the home site of Pop Piano Pro. Here is the link.

Take the Lead books 1 & 2 and Pop Piano Pro

Click on Listening booth to hear the audios.

Originally Posted by angelojf


It looks like purchasers of the book have access to his blog on which he expresses other stuff~


Yes, Angelo is right... There is a lot more learning material on the blog too!

Dale
Thanks again for the feedback folks. Pete has provided me with much personalized help with "Something" and I like how the song sounds. I needed the personalized help, because after all, I'm only on p.22 of his first book! I want to say that this song came through sounding like this as a result of Pete's personalized help, and not as a result of my experience with the books.
Angelo,

It is very encouraging to see your progress. What is interesting is the choice of Beatles songs - Here There and Everywhere in particular. Did you work with Pete on these arrangements using the printed sheet music or did you draw up your own arrangement.
Tony,
Here, There and Everywhere was done using the Sudnow Method.
"Something" was done using some of my ideas and Pete's personalized help, but not using Pete's books.

Angelo asked me to show him what a pop song would sound like applying the material learned in my books.

The basic arrangement for Something uses 3 patterns in the LH. Root,5,Root,9,10, and Root 5 Root,3,5. There is a throb pattern at the descending minor line and some octave works in the bridge that descends the major scale.

All these patterns are in applied in the books. The pieces move through major and minor keys so students learn chords and how to use them to create arrangements, scales and some basic music theory and the ability to play in different keys. Due to copyright restrictions, all the pieces in the book are original material.
Pete, very interesting.

At the moment I just cannot seem to bring my piano playing to any satisfactory level. After three years of lessons I think I have developed many skills and technique. However, the art of 'song play' is a totally different skill that lessons obviously teach.

In order that I too make enough progress to play Something would you recommend that I go through your book from beginning to end and avoid everything else.

Rag Time Clown: Nope. I would not avoid everything else. No book in the world is going to give you everything. Everything you do in music adds up to better musicianship. Song play comes with years of experience
Learn lots of songs and styles. Figure out what makes them tick. Stick with them until they are deeply ingrained. Study theory, history, and sight reading,ear training and all other aspects of music. Keep at lessons with a teacher that has your respect. Self study is a very difficult road with lots of wrong turns and pot holes.

Music is a long term project. There is no way to short circuit years of study, playing experience and sound like a seasoned player. I have been at it 40 years teaching for 25 and still have a long way to go.
Pete, your advice is most welcome. I have identified a major problem in my piano playing. I am able to read music fairly well but when I bring my hands to the keys I think I have not developed any rythmn in my play.

If I can explain it another way - I need to be able to count the rythmn and this in turn will show me when to bring my fingers down on the keys. This is more apparrent when I try to play ballads or classical pieces.

I can play arpeggio style with ease and chords but when I am faced with a new piece I cannot get the rythmn. Piano lessons are probably the only way to resolve this. I feel as if this is the stumbling block that I need to unlock as I've just grinded to a halt!
I spend a lot of time tapping my foot, counting out loud, working with the drum machine or metronome and clapping the rhythms. I also have two ear training programs on board my computer. They are great tools for clapping rhythms.

Eric Baumgartner's Jazz Abilities is also a good training tool for reading rhythms. You clap a rhythm and then apply it to a 4 bar blues etude. A line a day of this is what I assign my students.
Posted By: Elssa Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/13/10 08:19 AM
Hi Pete,

I have your Pop Piano Pro book and going through that and am also really interested now in the Latin stride, using it with pop songs and with standards such as Begin the Beguine. Any tips? Thanks!
Posted By: GregF Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/13/10 03:19 PM
Fellow PPP'ers and TTL'ers,

I haven't been in the forums much lately, but I have continued to work on PPP. For our piano studio's Dec. recital, I played the prelude again, about 15 minutes, and I mixed in 3 tunes from PPP along with some Christmas music:
Journey into the Lights
Not Mad at the World Anymore
and Sleeping Through September.

I don't have any video to share of that because I did not like the way the lighting washes out the video in the performance hall, so you'll just have to trust me that these were OUTSTANDING versions, and I'm sure the round of applause at the end was for my performance and not the fact I was finally finished :-)

Since the Dec. recital I have been working on As Tears go Dry from PPP. I have managed to get a decent video of it.
Enjoy:
http://www.box.net/shared/4061f04fvh

GregF


PS As an added bonus, I dusted off my recital closer, Christmas Time is Here, and made a video of it.
http://www.box.net/shared/vuz63nmlmv

Elssa: The Latin pattern is very versatile. You can use it on a standard bossa. I try to break the pattern up, even for 1 measure, just for a little variation. So if I have the chance to go to locked hand or even just blocked chords, I will do that just to break the pattern. I do that with stride too.
Most of my students are young so I use the latin stride pattern on pop tunes that fit the 8 beat rhythm category. If you want to play very articulated, the latin pattern can be used for a tango. I have a student that uses this on Hotel California and it rocks.
While looking on itunes I found Lisa Harris #30 Tango Piroutte 4/4 Tango medly. Check out the Latin pattern in L.H. #33 Begin the beguine is very nicely done.
I go fishing for good tunes and arranging ideas on itunes regularly.


Greg: Thank you so much for your contributions to the thread. Your playing just keeps getting better. It is fun to see the pieces performed in far away places.
Christmas Time is Here is a favorite of mine. I had a lot of students playing it this Christmas season.
GregF, beautiful!
One of my favorite songs in the book.
An inspiration to us all.
Posted By: Elssa Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 01/15/10 06:45 AM
Originally Posted by Pete the bean
Elssa: The Latin pattern is very versatile. You can use it on a standard bossa. I try to break the pattern up, even for 1 measure, just for a little variation. So if I have the chance to go to locked hand or even just blocked chords, I will do that just to break the pattern. I do that with stride too.
Most of my students are young so I use the latin stride pattern on pop tunes that fit the 8 beat rhythm category. If you want to play very articulated, the latin pattern can be used for a tango. I have a student that uses this on Hotel California and it rocks.
While looking on itunes I found Lisa Harris #30 Tango Piroutte 4/4 Tango medly. Check out the Latin pattern in L.H. #33 Begin the beguine is very nicely done.
I go fishing for good tunes and arranging ideas on itunes regularly.




Thanks for the good ideas, Pete. I play what I think is called a Bolero rhythm pattern with Begin the Beguine, Besame Mucho and some other Latin tunes. What do you think of that?
Elssa: If you would like to share your pattern please post a link. I found 200 patterns here: http://www.poppiano.com.sg/200_Left_Hand_Broken_Chords_pat.html
Hi everyone!

Just to introduce myself to this thread...

I played piano classically as a kid, and then didn't play for many years. Lately I've been getting back into piano again, and I'm trying my hand at blues and some jazz. I want to do some pop piano too. Mostly I'd like to be able to improvise, or just to sit down and play.

I got hold of Pete's book (Take the Lead 2) and got curiously addicted to the first piece, Five Stars. It's so beautiful, quite simple, and I think it's a good one for me to practice improvising over.

So far, when I improvise, the whole thing pretty much grinds to a halt.

Here's what I can do so far. This is from memory and I've ad libbed a little:

http://www.box.net/shared/mj9ln6uyjh
ten left thumbs: Thank you so much for sharing. I am glad you are enjoying 5 stars.I enjoyed your ad libs. I heard some pentatonic harmony being added to the melody. Nice! I have a little exercise that you can use to build up some chops using that idea.
http://www.box.net/shared/grfultpvgf

Also, you will hear me use some hammer ons in my improve. You can stay on a C chord over the whole progression of the piece and get some nice sounds with that idea. I added that to the previous download sheet.

I like your improv ideas. I think sticking with those ideas longer, by repeating and expanding on them will help tighten things right up. You have some sequencing of the intro going on in your improv. You could mess around by moving the pattern around to different scale degrees (sequencing).
You will see an exercise for that on page 6 of Take The Lead 2.

Thanks again for posting. It is a thrill to hear the pieces come back from far away places.
Thankyou for your post Pete. Unfortunately I'm having to deal with a crisis at work, so I'll need to come back to this later.
Originally Posted by Pete the bean
ten left thumbs: Thank you so much for sharing. I am glad you are enjoying 5 stars.I enjoyed your ad libs. I heard some pentatonic harmony being added to the melody. Nice!


OK, now I know what to call it! smile

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I have a little exercise that you can use to build up some chops using that idea.
http://www.box.net/shared/grfultpvgf


Interesting, I'll try that out. Lots of parallel fourths, sounding curiously like what I was taught to avoid like the plague in harmony class, many years ago. Also sounding curiously like those parallel fourths from Smoke on the Water - which (goes to check on piano) - are also pentatonic.

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Also, you will hear me use some hammer ons in my improve. You can stay on a C chord over the whole progression of the piece and get some nice sounds with that idea. I added that to the previous download sheet.


I do hammer-ons on guitar, but I don't know what that means in piano context. From the example, do you mean 'fast notes on the way to a target note'?

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I like your improv ideas. I think sticking with those ideas longer, by repeating and expanding on them will help tighten things right up. You have some sequencing of the intro going on in your improv. You could mess around by moving the pattern around to different scale degrees (sequencing).
You will see an exercise for that on page 6 of Take The Lead 2.


Yes, I think sticking at it is important so that I don't need to think too much about the LH and can concentrate on the right. I'll try what you mentioned about sequencing.

Now, in the context of simply running up/down a scale, I'll mention something which was suggested to me in another thread regarding jazz improv. That is, to practice playing a scale and, at random and quite spontaneously, don't play a note. Keep going, just put in a rest rather than a note. I've tried it before and failed miserably. How can something so simple be so difficult? I tried again with 5 stars, and again got nowhere. But I'm thinking now it's possibly worth persisting with this one? Let me know what you think.

These pieces are worth playing, even in far away places. (I have no idea I lived in a far away place. It seems quite close to me! ;))
OK, another recording. This one's called 'aimless wanderings with pentatonic harmony':

http://www.box.net/shared/l4dkteslv0
ten left thumbs: I was with you all the way. I hear each new phrase embellishing the one preceding it. Nice and connected with no sudden tangents to left field. (If that was aimless, I would like to hear what you sound like when you know where you are going.)
I am answering back with a pentatonic solo. http://www.box.net/shared/jofpnb6ver
I am adding some hammer ons, and waterfalls, coming down the pentatonic scale using a short motifs, to the harmony exercise. Try and work a few of these technics into your solo practice.
If you want to here a classic masterpiece of pentatonic skillage, with a few blues notes added, check out the piano solo on Jessica by the Allman brothers. (This is also available on Chuck Leavell's DVD. Not for the faint of heart.)
Pete, you are too kind. I do hope one day to know where I am going. Your solo is beautiful, and I will study it more carefully.

Now, can we have a vocabulary check-in please? (My dictionary isn't helping.)

- hammer ons
- slide notes
- waterfalls

Thanks
I have found the term Hammer ons and slip notes used to describe the same thing. The lick is attributed to Floyd Crammer and shown here.
Printed handout here: http://www.box.net/shared/dh24gtcq89

Hammer on Audio here: http://www.box.net/shared/u04n34ki22

Waterfall Audio here: http://www.box.net/shared/si1ooo3nqf

I think I've got it. So the hammer on is that specific lick, and there are the two forms of it, and then you also do lots of grace note-combinations, which sound like the first half of the hammer. Is this right?

Got the waterfall, thanks.
Yes you have got it. You can mess around with the rhythm of the hammer on so they sound like grace notes or slow them up. The great thing is that by playing a C chord over the Am Dm of F chord nice things start to happen. (You are playing extensions 7,9,11).
Pete, I don't know if you have Richard's Exploring Jazz Piano (I) as a reference, but he describes something similar to the hammer on. He just calls it top harmony - and suggests 5 over 2 or 3 or root over 5 or 6 (p 19).

I see what you're saying about the ii, the IV and the vii chords.

It is fun noodling with this stuff! smile
So, another recording of noodling. This one's called 'OMG, my top E's gone flat!'

http://www.box.net/shared/uh6uk6nnm9

I also looked onto Red Sky Romp, though I don't feel ready to improvise to it:

http://www.box.net/shared/9ybz0jx51c
ten left thumbs: Yes I have Tim Richard's book. A while ago, (couple of years?) I invited him to join the Improvising Blues thread and he showed up here at Pianoworld.

Noodles on piano is fun. It is how I get my students to stay with piano lessons. It takes a while, but you start to see theory in action on the keyboard just by messing around. It develops the ear and gets the eyes off the page. Now it's just about you and the sound.
Tim would be a great asset to the forum. I post a fair bit of his stuff in the piano bar. I can only hope I do it justice. I also have some of his recordings, and he is a fantastic jazzer!

ten left thumbs: So I went back and compared your E is flat solo with aimless noodle a few posts earlier. Your phrases are longer, you have more legato and variety of texture in the flat e solo. Nice!. And this shift occurred in a couple of days. So much for your earlier post that everything grinds to a halt when you improvise. Please change your mind about that.

I start my students with the pentatonic scale so that there is almost instant success. Frame of mind has to be positive or this will never take.

If you take your 5 Stars solo efforts (C pentatonic) and slam them over the chord changes of Onion Soup (A minor pentatonic) you may notice that the licks and tricks work in either piece. For the Right Hand, there is very little difference between the two. To the ears, the same licks are higher in the extensions so you might think you are jazzier than thought you were on the last piece.:)
Thanks for your comments Pete! smile

Now, I tried Onion Soup and just didn't get on well with the RH. I know you're suggesting putting the 5 starts RH over the onion soup changes, but I tried that too, and got some very strange results. The slash chord progression is OK, depending on what RH notes I use, but I can't get anything to work with the E min.
Originally Posted by Pete the bean
Greg: Thanks for posting your efforts.

I hope you are having as much fun playing the songs as I had writing the material. It is such a privilege for me to be able to hear the material get performed. -Peter


Here is a piece that I am working on from Take the Lead, book 1. I was having a hard time getting both hands to work together, and this one seems to be helping me with that. Far from perfect, but it is the best recording I could get so far. Seems hard to get all the way thru when the mic is on.

5 finger blues


Dale
If you are planning to improvise the chord changes in the second section, you will have to be careful playing a C in the RH against the Em chord. One way around it is to change from scalar thinking to chordal thnking. So hammer ons in G will take care of that: http://www.box.net/shared/k0j2v5203s
If you use a B instead of C,for the Em bar, you will be playing Em pentatonic which would also work. Change back to Am pentatonic over the Am chord.
Here is avoiding the C on a strong beat by using quartals off E http://www.box.net/shared/q02xyoij9u
Nice going Dale! You manage to keep the rhythm steady. I have the same trouble with the mike.

Pete - I'm afraid you've gone a couple of steps beyond me. You started off by suggesting putting the 5 stars RH over the LH onion soup. Strange. I think probably I need to stick with 5 stars till I'm more comfortable and in control of what I'm doing.

I see what you're saying about the E min chord and G pent, I'm just not sure I'm doing myself any favours with it.

What are quartals?
Ten left thumbs: What I am suggesting is that the licks and tricks on 5 Stars will work on Onion Soup. The waterfall licks and hammer ons that were used in C major work over the first section even though it is in Am. Here is a sample: http://www.box.net/shared/57gmvgj2cf
I start with C hammer ons for 2 bars, messing around with single note pentatonic scale for 2 bars and then waterfalls for 2 bars and take the melody out for the last 2 bars.
Quartals are stacks for perfect 4ths. I was running an arpeggio E-A-D up the keyboard over the Em chord.

Dale: Putting the HT on the boogie stuff is a tricky business! You did a great job. I second the motion. Your sense of the beat is solid as a rock. I do not sense any gaps between the chord changes either. Thanks for the post.


Sounds good Pete! I'm going to be travelling over the next few days, but will let you know when I get a chance to try this out.
I have updated the last download. I got files mixed up trying to get this done in a hurry.
mucking about when I have a train to catch:
http://www.box.net/shared/nvc2t04ksc
Thank You Ten Left Thumbs and Pete. The work you are doing in this thread is sounding very nice Ten Left Thumbs !!!
The tips you are giving are fantastic too Pete.
Working on Baby Boom from Take The Lead Book One and hope to record it over the weekend.

Dale
Thanks for the compliment Dale - I look forward to hearing these numbers! smile
ten left thumbs: Here are some suggestions for improv on the Red Sky Romp: http://www.box.net/shared/8sti8na1ap
Thanks Pete, I am back from my trip and will take a look at this over the next few days.
Staying with Five stars, I thought I would do a copy of one of your solos. Here's what you played:

Originally Posted by Pete the bean

I am answering back with a pentatonic solo. http://www.box.net/shared/jofpnb6ver
I am adding some hammer ons, and waterfalls, coming down the pentatonic scale using a short motifs, to the harmony exercise.


And this is my copy:
http://www.box.net/shared/msiyi66d7k

I couldn't entirely hear the LH part at the end, so I just made something up.

It made me realise how, when I improvise, I can try to pack too much in, too fast and too frantic. I can go into panic mode. This is a good one for slowing me down.

I was also thinking I should do this in a few other keys. Not much point in just being able to play in C. smile
ten left thumbs: Nice solo. Relaxed and controlled.

Putting the scale in other keys is a good idea. Take a few at a time or you may find yourself in overwhelm mode.
A few at a time? lol That might be a bit over-ambitious. This is in G:

http://www.box.net/shared/d1psezud2y

I then did a little test - can I still play in C? Yep, I just about managed C. I've also done some improvising - just not managed it with the red dot lately.
ten left thumbs:You keep getting better with every post. Keep this up for a much longer and I will start asking you for tips! Here is another idea: http://www.box.net/shared/9eryd8g52d
This is playing the RH using G pentatonic and keeping the LH in the key of C, as arranged. This gives a more dreamy sound because now there is a Maj 7 involved.
Now that is interesting. Two things change when I use G pent, rather than C pent.

1. I'm no longer allowed C. This is fine because C sounds fairly boring in C major. Safe, yes, but boring.

2. Now I get to play a B, which was an avoid note before. So over chord I, that's a major 7th, nice. Over vii, it's a 9th, also juicy. It's in chord V, so no problems there. Over chord ii it makes a 6th, nice. If I put it over chord IV, it's going to give me a 4th. Er - um - ouch. *Can* sound OK if is resolves. Do you avoid the B over IV?

I'll study what you played more carefully.
ten left thumbs: If you are playing the note B over the F chord and park, it would likely be a little on the spicy side.

http://www.box.net/shared/4avb2skps5
In this example I am using B against an F major chord in a G arpeggio. The first time beginning on B and going up B-E-A (quartal) and the second time just the major chord with an add 9 GABD. You could analyze this as Lydian.
A good exercise using G pentatonic is to try make use of the extensions so over C major start the phrase on B or D. On G major -E or A. Am try B or D. F major try G B or D or E.
The flavor of the improv is quite different using the G pentatonic. Not quite so sweet as C pentatonic.
Jings, Pete, this sounds lovely. I've downloaded the track and will need to play it out before I understand it.

I remember we talked about quartals before, but I've not internalised them.

I'm not getting much chance to get to the piano these days, but I'll try this out when I can.
Originally Posted by Pete the bean


http://www.box.net/shared/4avb2skps5
In this example I am using B against an F major chord in a G arpeggio. The first time beginning on B and going up B-E-A (quartal) and the second time just the major chord with an add 9 GABD. You could analyze this as Lydian.
A good exercise using G pentatonic is to try make use of the extensions so over C major start the phrase on B or D. On G major -E or A. Am try B or D. F major try G B or D or E.
The flavor of the improv is quite different using the G pentatonic. Not quite so sweet as C pentatonic.


Now, I'll be honest. When I first read this, I understood very little of it. Tonight I made a copy of your Lydian solo:

http://www.box.net/shared/080t7m91bc

It took me an awful long time to work out that quartal thing. I know you told me - but more on that later.

So then I went back and re-read about starting phrases on which notes, and basically you're saying whichever chord it is, go for the next note up or down, in G pent. So then I tried that in a little improvising and hey presto:

http://www.box.net/shared/j9vtbiuv48

Now, I have to say I'm quite pleased with that. 3hearts
ten left thumbs: I am so glad that you are pleased because you should be.
It is a great solo. I hear you in full control, listening to what you are playing and moving very fluidly from one phrase to the next. You have gone far beyond what I was expecting from anyone on this little ditty and I am so glad you did.

I could have posted the notes of my little G pentatonic example, however I think it is far more valuable to try to listen and figure things out that way, which you did. It can be very difficult, but it forces you to really listen think and assimilate. I hope you find the solos on the CD a valuable learning tool.

Thinking up or down from the root to the next note in the G pentatonic is not exactly how I was perceiving things but I checked out your logic and holy smoke - you are right- It is what I was trying to suggest. That is cool!

I went back to your first post of the song just to get a real perspective on how far you have come in the last few weeks. You've got wheels!
Originally Posted by Pete the bean


I could have posted the notes of my little G pentatonic example, however I think it is far more valuable to try to listen and figure things out that way, which you did. It can be very difficult, but it forces you to really listen think and assimilate. I hope you find the solos on the CD a valuable learning tool.



Yes, what is helpful is hearing an effect, and not knowing what causes it - then sitting and working it out. And then being able to play it. I couldn't even begin to do this without Transcribe. But with the software I can break it down, and listen as slow as I like.

Now that I know what notes I am going for, I have a question.

Generally when I play I like to be aware of where I am within the scale, so if I play C in C, then I think 'doh', and if I play D then I think 're' etc. A while ago we started playing G pent over basic chord changes in C. So then I wasn't sure if I play a G, should I be thinking 'sol' or 'doh'? And I set this question aside - but now I'm ready for the answer!

Also, the word 'Lydian' has been mentioned... Wait, I'll hold off on this question.

I'm still in C, right? So G is sol?

ten left thumbs: I am trying to get you to improvise and overcome any thoughts that this should only be left to paid professionals. So think in the simplest terms.

So to your question about G pentatonic over C - when I am messing around I am thinking G pentatonic in the RH. So that makes G doh to my brain but it is definitely acting as Sol to my ears. There is also muscle memory involved so to my hands it is just G pentatonic as well.

How and what you are thinking greatly influences your solos. The best teacher I ever had could always tell me what he was thinking at any point in the tune. Using the same thoughts changed my playing for the better in short order. Bert Ligon's book- Connecting chords with linear harmony -is a very important book in teaching you how to think.


The word Lydian refers to the major scale beginning on the fourth degree or Fa. You could think that it is a C major beginning on the note F. However it may be simpler in less familiar keys to think "major scale with a raised fourth degree." So we are deriving the G triad over the F chord from F lydian FGABCDEF. (Yes B Not Bb).

I was playing in F lydian? In which case G is re? And the progression that I thought was I-vi-IV-V was actually V-iii-I-II?
ten left thumbs: In the big picture the harmony is I-vi-IV-V and the song is in C major.

When you analyze one measure things change. The bar gets isolated from context and analyzed on it's own. Take the measure with the F chord. When this measure is isolated, F is considered to be Doh. The melody is no longer analyzed as being a C scale. It is seen as an F major scale with a raised 4th degree-Lydian.

As you have seen in your improv examples with C pentatonic and G pentatonic over the same C major changes, how you think about the notes changes the flavor of sound. (Both C pentatonic and G pentatonic are really just different ways of dividing up a C major scale with a couple of notes left out).

Same thing goes for how you perceive the chord changes. If you think of changing modes each time the chord changes, as taught in many play along improv courses, you will likely play with shorter phrases and a more disconnected melody. Instead, thinking one key centre over the set of changes, will likely result in longer phrases and a smoother line. In most cases, keeping it simple and thinking the big picture works best for me.
Originally Posted by Pete the bean
ten left thumbs: In the big picture the harmony is I-vi-IV-V and the song is in C major.


Gotcha.

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When you analyze one measure things change. The bar gets isolated from context and analyzed on it's own. Take the measure with the F chord. When this measure is isolated, F is considered to be Doh. The melody is no longer analyzed as being a C scale. It is seen as an F major scale with a raised 4th degree-Lydian.


Now, you see, my brain just doesn't have room for all that. I'm in a key, that's the key I'm in. If I modulate, then fine. But I just can't be doing with thinking about different modes with every bar. It feels awful like the lightbulb jokes (one to hold the lightbulb, 20 to turn the room around). Why re-orient myself to F if I then have to worry about a B natural? Why not just stay in C?

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As you have seen in your improv examples with C pentatonic and G pentatonic over the same C major changes, how you think about the notes changes the flavor of sound. (Both C pentatonic and G pentatonic are really just different ways of dividing up a C major scale with a couple of notes left out).


They are indeed.

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Same thing goes for how you perceive the chord changes. If you think of changing modes each time the chord changes, as taught in many play along improv courses, you will likely play with shorter phrases and a more disconnected melody. Instead, thinking one key centre over the set of changes, will likely result in longer phrases and a smoother line. In most cases, keeping it simple and thinking the big picture works best for me.


OK, well I'm with you. And if there's a musical argument in such thinking, then all the better. smile
Here is an example of a time when I would use modal thinking. (Thinking a new key center for each chord change.) http://www.box.net/shared/d6knola1pi

In this example all the chords are dominant. The easiest way to get through this is to think Mixolydian - a major scale with the 7th degree flatted. Every chord requires a shift of key center (Modulation).


It would seem awkward to think C7- I need an F scale beginning on the 5th degree, F7- a Bb on beginning on the 5th degree and G7 - a C scale on the 5th degree.

In the big picture I would be thinking blues in C. I could improvise the RH using the C blues scale and not modulate the RH line for any of the chords.
Originally Posted by Pete the bean

In the big picture I would be thinking blues in C. I could improvise the RH using the C blues scale and not modulate the RH line for any of the chords.


You could - as it is written, it does modulate, and they are all dominants/mixolydian, so that is fine.

Now, when I played this I thought - wow! I know this sound. I've heard it before. But I was absolutely sure I hadn't played it before. And I've played a lot of blues - but not this. It was driving my up the wall, trying to work out where I'd heard this sound. Plus, I kept wanting to put the lick on beat one.

Then I went away and tried not to think about it. Before I knew it, there was Miles Davies right in my head, playing Freddie Freeloader. Now, I've not analysed Freddie, so tell me, is it the same sound?

So I'm analysing this as chord vi and then v over whichever dominant chord it is. Is that how you see it?
ten left thumbs: Yup. This is the same sound as Freddie Freeloader.

What I am thinking is: Nice Lick. 6-5 (LA -Sol) suspension. Grab a 1st inversion shape with 6 in the top voice. Move down a whole step. Remember to b7.
I could think wow nice chord- C6- Root- 3 -13 moving down to b7-9-5 but that would slow me down and give me a headache.

Practice the lick in a bunch of keys so you memorize it. You could also grab a C major in 1st inversion and march it up and down the C mixolydian scale - flat the 7th degree any time it shows up.

I wrote you a little ditty to get the sound into your head. I tried to keep every harmony in 1st inversion. I am playing roots and Octaves in the LH. Swing it.

Chart: http://www.box.net/shared/20bppbjt53
Audio: http://www.box.net/shared/y5vtq30e3h

You could also work 2nd inversion the same way and while you are at it root position as well. This stuff is very handy in blues and Gospel style.
There is great value in playing scale tone triads in major and mixolydian.

If you can handle them, you should practice scale tone 7th chords in major 12 keys say the name of the chord as you play it. It is the best way to get to understanding harmony.
I'll take a look at this Pete, when I can. I hope I'm not keeping you from the day job. wink
ten left thumbs: Don't worry about the day job. This is all a part of it. How lucky is that?
Here is an easier sample of using 1st and 2nd inversion scale tone triads to harmonize a melody. I have applied the concept to the 5 finger blues found in Take the Lead level 1. Once again, the triads are derived from the mixolydian mode.

http://www.box.net/shared/eq4lh8ov10
Final Post: I want to thank all those who have contributed to the thread. I think we are done. So I am rolling the music for the final credits: Box Full Of Goodbye.
http://www.box.net/shared/56kdtlo1n0
Too sad. I'm not letting you get away with that. This is a repeat, but it will do for the occasion:

http://www.box.net/shared/9ybz0jx51c
Posted By: R_B Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 06/08/13 11:53 AM
I know this is now an old thread, but I started at the very beginning and all the original lessons appear to have either been deleted or have expired.
Are they still available somewhere else ?
i.e. do the links need to be updated ?
The original website is still up and running: there are four lessons there. Don't know if this answers your question.

http://www.poppianopro.com/
Is this project closed now ? I see a blank website.

http://www.poppianopro.com/
I also see a blank site.
Posted By: dmd Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 03/14/14 10:13 AM
Originally Posted by EM Deeka
Is this project closed now ? I see a blank website.

http://www.poppianopro.com/


Yes, it is.

I emailed him about it and he said he was currently too busy to maintain it so he was going to have to close it for the time being.
Originally Posted by Pete the bean
Instead, thinking one key centre over the set of changes, will likely result in longer phrases and a smoother line. In most cases, keeping it simple and thinking the big picture works best for me.


The harmony you imply in the solo does not have to match the chord changes at all. As long as you keep the same key center. What are changes anyway except a way of establishing that key center. You can imply your own set of changes in the right hand which establish it. This is what most improvisors do anyway. Even jazz guys who are playing the changes, if you analyze the solo you see that it isn't a 1-1 match: sometimes the solo implies a chord substitution or a different harmony than what the actual chord change is.

On a simpler note, you could play IV V I in the left hand (or the rhythm guitarist doing this), but you could improvise over VIm > IIIm or I>IV>I>IV or any other number of variations.
I recently received a private message expressing interest in this thread and notice a few post wondering if I am still active. A lot of the links have been removed do to lack of use. I am not sure how to repost them at the top of the thread.

The goal of the lessons are to give the student the skills to arrange lead sheets.

Here are the first few lessons from Take The Lead vol1 which I wrote with the adult beginner in mind. I am currently revising it. If there is interest, I will post more lessons as I get the revisions done.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/5opdi9

The Pop Piano Pro book was too difficult for the beginning student and I think should have been posted somewhere other than the adult beginner thread.
Hi Pete, I have your book and recently when back to it. Still a great book. I love to see something on Tiny Dancer...
Are you planning to make PopPiano Pro books available again ?
Mark: I have been very careful not to post copyright material on the thread. If you have a copy of the lead sheet for tiny dancer, I will be happy to help you with it. The songs links of this thread are public domain.

EM: Currently Pop Piano Pro is only available as a pdf file. If you are interested, please send me a private message. I don't think there are any hard copies left at local retailers.



Originally Posted by Pete the bean
Mark: I have been very careful not to post copyright material on the thread. If you have a copy of the lead sheet for tiny dancer, I will be happy to help you with it. The songs links of this thread are public domain.

EM: Currently Pop Piano Pro is only available as a pdf file. If you are interested, please send me a private message. I don't think there are any hard copies left at local retailers.





I have an Elton book of actually transcriptions. (Which is difficult to play). I'll have to find a lead sheet. Thanks.
Mark: I tried to send you a private message but you are over your limit.

Here is a link to the chart:
http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0117143

If you can transpose it before you buy, take it up an octave.

Here is the intro lick: https://www.sendspace.com/file/4d7aeg

Glad to see you back Pete. I have been away from the Piano for a long time, and will try to get back to it soon. I will be watching the thread with interest as always. Thanks for adding to the thread. Piano World users are very lucky in getting help from you.

Dale
Pete will be posting a thread on "Tiny Dance" very soon. From basic on up using the technique from his book. Lead sheet/fake book style. This should be a great learning experience. Its also a fun piece of music, especially for Elton fans.
Sounds good Mark. I will be watching for it.

Dale
Pete
Just reread this thread and I still love the work you put in it! I hope it was my email that had you check the forum, Hope the activity level picks up as people discover it is alive again. Always something new to learn.
Dave
I am humbled by the support I have here on this thread.
It is nice to here from you Dale. You have been a big part of this venture and the reason for this thread.
Thank you Dave for your inquiry and support on the revisions to Take the Lead .

I will be responding with a tutorial on Tiny Dancer. I am overloaded with preparing for a new teaching season and rehearsals but should be posting tutorials next week.
Thank you Pete! I am really glad they got you interested in bringing the thread back. A lot of new people that have joined Piano World will get to see how helpful you are.
Glad you are back! laugh

Dale
Here is Installment #1 Tiny Dancer Basic arrangement. This lesson is on the verse section of the song.

Step 1: For copyright reasons, I will not be posting the lead sheet in my lessons. To participate purchase a legal copy of Tiny Dancer lead sheet. We will be working off of this version: http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0117143

Step 2: Down load the arranging instructions found here: http://www.4shared.com/office/fKG6W6VGce/Tiny_Dancer_Tutorial_1.html?

This installment is a very basic arrangement to get familiar with the chords in the LH and add a few fills to the measures that are blank.

Coming soon. Watch for installment #2 which will cover the bridge section of the song.

More installments are planned to end up with a pro sounding arrangement.


Great stuff Pete. I just glanced at the tutorial. Reminds me of your great Hola tutorial. I'm going to get to work on this ASAP.

I wonder if you should start a new thread to post "Tiny Dancer" to get more interest. It's kind of buried here and if people don't follow this thread, they will miss out...
Mark: I may start a new thread once I get more installments up. Here is tutorial #2: https://www.sendspace.com/file/efiy6f
Here is Installment #1 Tiny Dancer Basic arrangement. This lesson is on the verse section of the song. For copyright reasons, I will not be posting the lead sheet in my lessons. To participate purchase a legal copy of Tiny Dancer lead sheet. We will be working off of this version: http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0117143 Download the arranging instructions for the verses found here: http://www.4shared.com/office/fKG6W6VGce/Tiny_Dancer_Tutorial_1.html? This installment is a very basic arrangement of the verse to get familiar with the chords in the LH and add a fill to create the intro and first ending. Here is tutorial #2: LH chords and melody rhythm exercise. https://www.sendspace.com/file/efiy6f Here is tutorial #3 The L.H. Chords for the bridge: https://www.sendspace.com/file/74anix
Ignore the last post. Something messed up and I couldn't edit. Tiny Dancer Basic Arrangement: For copyright reasons, I will not be posting the lead sheet in my lessons. To participate purchase a legal copy of Tiny Dancer lead sheet. We will be working off of this version: http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0117143 Download Here is the lesson material for the basic arrangement: https://www.sendspace.com/file/ity6bo
Tiny Dancer Tutorial

Basic Arrangement - Verse with L.H. Chords in root position
The Movie: https://www.sendspace.com/file/f46llu

Join The Fun! Go here to purchase Legal Lead Sheet: http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0117143

Arranging Instruction PDF: https://www.sendspace.com/file/ity6bo
Tiny Dancer Tutorial

Join The Fun! Go here to purchase Legal Lead Sheet: http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0117143

Basic Arrangement PDF - L.H. Chords in root position
The Movie: https://www.sendspace.com/file/f46llu



Arranging Instruction PDF: https://www.sendspace.com/file/ity6bo


Tiny Dancer -intermediate arrangement This lesson covers upgrades to the verse L.H. chords https://www.sendspace.com/file/7ehmql


more to come.
Pete, I'm getting terrible malware when I download from this site.
Sorry to hear it. I have delete all files from sendspace. I have sent their customer service a note advising them that I am not so happy with the situation.
New link:
Tiny Dancer Basic Arrangement: http://www.4shared.com/office/zxoEND6nba/Tiny_Dancer_Basic_Arrangement.html

Tiny Dancer Basic Arrangement: Verse The Movie: http://www.4shared.com/file/HYhdbgNuba/Tiny_Dancer_Verse.html

Tiny Dancer Intermediate Arrangement: http://www.4shared.com/office/nqT8gfIfce/tiny_Dancer_Intermediate.html

More lessons coming soon.
Tiny Dancer Basic Arrangement: http://www.4shared.com/office/zxoEND6nba/Tiny_Dancer_Basic_Arrangement.html

Tiny Dancer Basic Arrangement: Verse The Movie: http://www.4shared.com/file/HYhdbgNuba/Tiny_Dancer_Verse.html



I have updated the intermediate lesson. Now we have open voicings for the verse.
Tiny Dancer Intermediate Arrangement: http://www.4shared.com/office/fZNTtYTyba/tiny_Dancer_Intermediate__1_.html

More lessons coming soon.
New Lesson: Tiny Dancer Bridge Intermediate Level: http://www.4shared.com/office/kXLdnKR2ba/Tiny_Dancer_Bridge_Intermediat.html
What Child Is This Jazz Arrangemnet: http://www.4shared.com/office/5Bg70syFba/What_Child_Arr.html
Originally Posted by Pete the bean


Glad that you are adding some of your arrangements Pete. Thanks a lot. smile

Dale
Silent Night Jazz Arrangement http://www.4shared.com/office/m3TkNmh8ce/Silent_Arranged.html
Posted By: Nahum Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 11/30/14 07:36 PM
As part of the work for the the method of pop piano teaching - "Silent Night" in a manner of Gospell :

http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/fd10b82238d8e4108a596c7b2558d984095622c4
Originally Posted by Nahum
As part of the work for the the method of pop piano teaching - "Silent Night" in a manner of Gospell :

http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/fd10b82238d8e4108a596c7b2558d984095622c4

I think this would be well worth playing, Nahum, but the score badly needs tidying up - 64th notes, and the like, are no fun to read and will put off most aspiring students.
Posted By: Nahum Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 12/01/14 10:08 AM
Originally Posted by dire tonic
Originally Posted by Nahum
As part of the work for the the method of pop piano teaching - "Silent Night" in a manner of Gospell :

http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/fd10b82238d8e4108a596c7b2558d984095622c4


I think this would be well worth playing, Nahum, but the score badly needs tidying up - 64th notes and the like are no fun to read and will put off most aspiring students.

Exterior view notation refers to the typical jokes MIDI , transforms so a sense of swing ; I wrote only ordinary eighth, quarter, dotted quarters and  halfs as well as grace notes in bars 12 and 13 .
Originally Posted by Nahum
Originally Posted by dire tonic
Originally Posted by Nahum
As part of the work for the the method of pop piano teaching - "Silent Night" in a manner of Gospell :

http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/fd10b82238d8e4108a596c7b2558d984095622c4


I think this would be well worth playing, Nahum, but the score badly needs tidying up - 64th notes and the like are no fun to read and will put off most aspiring students.

Exterior view notation refers to the typical jokes MIDI , transforms so a sense of swing ; I wrote only ordinary eighth, quarter, dotted quarters and  halfs as well as grace notes in bars 12 and 13 .


I realise this is dumb software all too 'faithfully' representing your performance. There'll be facilities in your software for editing this. Could you perhaps, record it with a click then quantise the performance? The score should then read ok. You'd probably have to edit the grace notes but that would be all.
Posted By: Nahum Re: Pop Piano Pro - Hot Tips and Mini Lessons - 12/01/14 12:01 PM
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Please don't clutter and hijack threads !! This has been a Pop Piano Pro related thread.

Feel free to start new threads for other topics.
Originally Posted by EM Deeka
Please don't clutter and hijack threads !! This has been a Pop Piano Pro related thread.

Feel free to start new threads for other topics.

No need to be such a fusspot - threads drift and return to focus, it's the way of things.
These are some nice chord changes I got from listening to the Bar Music All Star Trio - Piano Christmas on itunes.
Jingle Bells Jazz arrangement http://www.4shared.com/office/IY8D684ace/Jingle_Arranged.html
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