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Posted By: Serge88 Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 03:50 PM
My teacher asked me if I still want to come for my piano lesson. Of course why ? Because of the Coronavirus outbreak, parents are cancelling their children's piano lessons. Maybe there is something I didn't understand about the disease.
Posted By: BruceD Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by Serge88
My teacher asked me if I still want to come for my piano lesson. Of course why ? Because of the Coronavirus outbreak, parents are cancelling their children's piano lessons. Maybe there is something I didn't understand about the disease.



Well, if you understand that the virus can live on hard surfaces for extended periods of time, and if you take into account the potential number of hands that will touch your teacher's piano in a day, and if the keyboard is not thoroughlyt sanitized after every student plays, then you may have reason to consider what others have been doing: i.e., cancelling lessons.

Regards,
Posted By: Serge88 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 04:33 PM
OK I got it but this also apply to public places like malls, public transport, grocery stores.

Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Serge88
My teacher asked me if I still want to come for my piano lesson. Of course why ? Because of the Coronavirus outbreak, parents are cancelling their children's piano lessons. Maybe there is something I didn't understand about the disease.



Well, if you understand that the virus can live on hard surfaces for extended periods of time, and if you take into account the potential number of hands that will touch your teacher's piano in a day, and if the keyboard is not thoroughlyt sanitized after every student plays, then you may have reason to consider what others have been doing: i.e., cancelling lessons.

Regards,
Posted By: zillybug Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 04:34 PM
I have asked if the piano can be sanitized before I play. I am his first student of the day. I also take a class at a school. It is early in the morning and is the first class of the day. They have said they are going to sanitize all the pianos before every class and lesson. However there are 7 of us in the class and one lady goes to NYC often so I am more hesitant about that.
Posted By: ebonykawai Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 04:37 PM
Why not just bring sanitizing wipes with you and do it yourself? I'm sure I wouldn't protest someone cleaning my piano keys if I was a teacher, though I'd be cleaning it after every student, whom I'd also expect to use hand sanitizer before even entering my home.
My teacher is offering Zoom lessons for those that would prefer it.
Posted By: zillybug Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 04:42 PM
He actually teaches on his mother’s grand piano so I asked him to ask her. I am not sure what is safe to use on the keys and I would not just do it without asking.
Posted By: johnstaf Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by Serge88
Maybe there is something I didn't understand about the disease.


You could catch it and give it to someone who then dies.
Posted By: enw10 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 04:50 PM
I haven't heard from my teacher, but I think we're going to do Zoom lessons. We do Zoom lessons when there's bad weather, too. Everything in my city is shutting down, plus my daughter takes lessons too and she's had a cough for over a week. I think we're just going to hang out at home for a while.
Posted By: Suni Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 05:10 PM

I Cancelled my lesson on Friday, because my teacher's mother is elderly and unwell, and I did not want to expose her to any virus. I think now we will be in lockdown from monday, so I guess all classes should be cancelled for at least two weeks.
Posted By: Serge88 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 05:22 PM
The piano keys might be sanitized but what about the door we used to get in and all the place we touch with our hands. The best advice is to wash our hands before and after our piano lessons.
Posted By: Stubbie Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 05:33 PM
I plan to cancel my lesson for this coming week, but I am waiting to see if the community college where I take lessons shuts down (it hasn't yet). The week after that is spring break. After that??? Two weeks is an eternity under the current circumstances.

My teacher probably poses the greatest danger to me. She's a "hub," not just with contact with students at the college, but with her numerous commitments and interactions within the region. I'm also in the age group that is at greatest risk of poor outcomes, should they become ill. So I think I'll take a few weeks off and see how things look then.

Meanwhile--practice, practice, practice.
Posted By: ebonykawai Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Serge88
The piano keys might be sanitized but what about the door we used to get in and all the place we touch with our hands. The best advice is to wash our hands before and after our piano lessons.


Yes, exactly. Sanitizer your hands before even touching the entryway doorknob.
Keeping hand sanitizer in your car, purse, pocket is simple. I have everyone doing this for my home, and I also do it when entering another person's home.
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 05:40 PM

Posted By: malkin Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 05:44 PM
I always wash before and after my lesson anyway.

I cancelled twice in February, once for the flu and once for an icky GI thing.
Posted By: KevinM Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 05:52 PM
This was the next video youtube gave me. It is just wonderful.

Posted By: Stubbie Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 05:56 PM
I wash my hands before and after piano lessons, but there are so many other surfaces I touch during my lesson. Then there's my teacher sitting down and demonstrating something for me, which leads to all the surfaces she's touched. And I touch my face. I try not to, but it will take more than a couple of weeks to get rid of that habit. I'm constantly pushing my hair back, adjusting my eyeglasses, and then there's all the unconscious fiddling we do before we're even aware of it.

As for using sanitizer wipes on the keyboard, see the cleaning the keyboard thread in the Piano Forum. It's not a simple problem.
Posted By: earlofmar Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 08:32 PM
my area is yet to confirm any cases of the virus, but a lot can happen in a few days, My teacher and her husband are in their 70's and I would hate for anything to happen to them.
Posted By: Tom97 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/14/20 10:24 PM
All schools, universities, kindergartens and shops (excluding food shops and pharmacy) are currently closed in my country, the government closed the borders and it looks like they will stay closed for another month at least... Of course my teacher (as well as all the other teachers in this area) canceled all planned lessons and we will see how the whole situation unfolds.
Don't have a choice here. March Break is around the corner and the local conservatory where my lessons are held decided to close the building for 2 extra weeks. Just have to practice at home.
My teacher cancelled all in-person lessons and switched them to Skype.
Posted By: Bett Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 03:54 AM
Not planning on cancelling yet... will just be careful re hand sanitising. Only 256 known cases in the whole of Australia so far, 19 of which are in my state, so trying to stay chilled at the moment, but with my ear to the ground re developments. 😜
Posted By: Chrispy Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 06:07 AM
We’ve not gone to lessons the last two weeks because we are in the Seattle area and had some illness in the family a couple weeks ago. Now we are in a state of emergency as a hotspot in the US so I’m going to call my teacher tomorrow and see if we can either do them by video chat or just cancel until the social isolation period is over. My wife has pretty bad asthma and we can’t risk bringing it home. Regardless if we go or not, I will still be paying him as it’s money we have budgeted for lessons and too many small businesses in the area are struggling. So I figure I’ll help in what small ways I can. I’ve also bought gift cards at our favorite local restaurants and indie movie theater because they aren’t sure if they can weather this for 6-8 weeks frown It’s bad times here. I’m blessed to have a job that I can do completely at home and is very stable.
Posted By: jrcallan Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 09:15 AM
I'm currently a Skype noob trying to get up to speed since my lessons in the near future will be by Skype even though I'm about six blocks from my teacher's studio.

The only thing you can rely on is change....
Posted By: Tubbie0075 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 11:08 AM
Had my lesson today. Will keep going until government announce a lockdown.
Posted By: Serge88 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 01:32 PM
If everyone cancel their piano lesson, my teacher won't have any income. eek
Posted By: Stubbie Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 03:20 PM
I pay tuition and fees before the term even starts, so my teacher gets paid whether I show up or not. I really feel for the small business people out there (including piano teachers) who will struggle, income-wise, in the face of people staying home.
Posted By: sinophilia Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 03:30 PM
Wherever you are, I think you should cancel... Apart from the very concrete risk of giving it to elderly, immunocompromised or fragile people, keep in mind that younger, healthy people can die too! I kind of just realised this myself. We just had a 47-year-old otherwise healthy man die in 2 days from the disease. I took a few walks outside this week, but I intend to observe the lockdown to the letter in the next days.
Posted By: Osho Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 04:43 PM
Mine has moved to FaceTime...


Originally Posted by PianogrlNW



THis was hilarious smile smile

Osho
Posted By: barbaram Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 04:54 PM
Love it Osho, we need humour in these times.

One of my children's music schools (various non-piano instruments) has closed for 2 weeks (in line with the closure of schools here). The other one (piano) is going to try remote lessons. My son's lesson is scheduled for 2.30 tomorrow, so either they won't be up and running for that yet or we'll be an early guinea pig. I'm ok with being a guinea pig though, it feels like helping them with the transition will be a constructive thing to do.
I haven't spoken to my own teacher yet, but I won't be attending in-person lessons right now.
Posted By: EPW Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by Osho
Mine has moved to FaceTime...


Originally Posted by PianogrlNW



THis was hilarious smile smile

Osho


What cloth did he use? smile
Posted By: zillybug Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/15/20 11:15 PM
My teacher is paid monthly. I had recently decided not to go for the next two weeks. After that we may go to lessons virtually . I would expect to pay him regardless.
trying our best to support local eateries before they are forced to close temporarily. Likewise, I plan to support my teacher, although this pass week was the worse for all the news of cancellations, and heading to a lock down. We will probably try virtual lesson next week...
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/16/20 04:11 PM
My teacher has moved to FaceTime. Quick question as I have never had an online lesson. Where is the best placement for my IPad?
Posted By: Morodiene Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/16/20 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
My teacher has moved to FaceTime. Quick question as I have never had an online lesson. Where is the best placement for my IPad?

I prefer to have it to the side of the piano, a little above the keys, and far enough away so I can see the person's upper body and face (less awkward for talking, too).

I've moved most of my lessons to online that weren't already, with the exception of some kids that are young and have ADHD. Most people seem open to doing that these days, which is very helpful now!
Posted By: Comet64 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/16/20 07:27 PM
Yes,

My Teacher emailed this AM and said lessons are on hold for at least 3 weeks, or until our Schools re-open.

At least I will be well practiced and prepared when we do resume lessons.
Posted By: Chrispy Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/16/20 08:37 PM
Hugh Sung just posted a video to help teachers understand how to do online classes and talks about positioning for the student and the teacher here (it's at 5:17 if my time code didn't work)



Hugh has been doing online classes for quite a while now and I take his course through ArtistWorks in addition to my regular weekly local classes, and he has quite a good setup!
Posted By: keystring Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/16/20 09:55 PM
Chrispy, you should post this same link in the teacher forum. It is being asked about.
Posted By: Chrispy Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/16/20 10:05 PM
Originally Posted by keystring
Chrispy, you should post this same link in the teacher forum. It is being asked about.


Thanks keystring, will do!
Posted By: JimF Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/16/20 10:20 PM
My teacher cancelled in-studio lessons as of today. She's going to skype or facetime. I've done skype lessons before and really have no interest in learning that way, but she will continue to be paid our regular monthly amount regardless. Remember folks, if you can afford it, a broke piano teacher does you no good. This too will pass.
Posted By: Stubbie Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 12:06 AM
The college where I take lessons just announced it was switching to on-line teaching for the remainder of the semester. One-on-one learning will be restricted. I'm not much interested in on-line lessons and I can't see my teacher being very excited, either. But I don't have to make any decisions for a couple of weeks, which is a lifetime at the current pace of things.
Posted By: scirocco Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 12:11 AM
I’m expecting my teacher to cancel soon, but she hasn’t yet. I also don’t particularly want to go to Skype lessons or similar as I just can’t see how you could get all those little personal speech and body cues to come across. (I do video-conferences now and then in my professional work and find them painful.)

But if my teacher does go to online she won’t get off the hook as easily as me just walking away. There is always something she can explain or demonstrate so I’ll be using the lesson time as best possible. And I certainly don’t want her to go broke. smile
Posted By: Morodiene Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 12:36 AM
Originally Posted by JimF
My teacher cancelled in-studio lessons as of today. She's going to skype or facetime. I've done skype lessons before and really have no interest in learning that way, but she will continue to be paid our regular monthly amount regardless. Remember folks, if you can afford it, a broke piano teacher does you no good. This too will pass.

I don't think it has to do with being broke. My time is worth the same whether in-person or online. I teach both in-person and online, and I have students that prefer online for various personal reasons. There's no reason why they shouldn't benefit from learning piano from a teacher.

Obviously, you don't want to take online lessons, and that is your option. During this time, I've given my in-person students an option to do online, or to wait. Some have chosen to wait, and we'll work out arrangements when we're ready to get back to it. Most have taken the online option, which will help them continue to progress - especially since they will have a lot more time to practice now. wink
Teacher has decided all lessons will be Zoom for now. Our next workshop will also be via Zoom! Should be interesting smile
Posted By: earlofmar Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 08:02 AM
I am starting to show symptoms which I think is more than likely just a seasonal cold. Just to be safe I immediately cancelled my in person piano lessons for the time being. My teacher and I will be trying for the first time this week to have a lesson on facetime. It should be interesting and although there will be some shortcomings, I am going to save travel time and the hardship of finding a parking spot in the city. I will miss her beautiful grand piano though.
Posted By: CognitaP Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 08:24 AM
chrispy

Thank you for sharing the video. although i am not taking on line lessons at the moment but self learning from home I found it very useful should I want to have online lessons in the future . There is a current thread on the adult beginers forum about online lessons they would also find this link useful.
Posted By: CognitaP Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 08:27 AM
Earlofmar

I hope you gett better soon and that it nothing to serious

Take care
Why not switch to online lessons???
Is this a good idea?
Posted By: gwing Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 12:51 PM
Just had my lesson today. One more scheduled as normal (a bit to my surprise) then switching to Facetime or Skype,
Posted By: barbaram Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 01:42 PM
My son's lesson was by Zoom yesterday (he's 10, and just started in January). It was pretty effective.
That whole music school was shifting to Zoom from yesterday, and his is the first lesson of the day for the teacher so we were guinea pigs and I was pleased with how smoothly it went overall.
Posted By: scirocco Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 02:29 PM
For anyone that hasn’t seen it on the net somewhere, Zoom rather than Skype is the go to for video calls involving music these days.

Part of Microsoft’s trashing of Skype to turn it into a messaging app has included treating musical sounds as noise and heavily compressing them (supposedly to improve speech quality). So the music audio quality suffers. (You might be okay if you have the old desktop Skype still installed). Zoom doesn’t do this.

Facetime might be okay from this point of view. I have no information.
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 02:45 PM
Chrispy, The video you posted is informative but is geared towards teachers and students who will be using online lessons regularly. I do not own an IPad tripod holder and not planning to buy one for the few online lessons.

Can someone please explain where to set up the IPad without the need for additional equipment?
Posted By: scirocco Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/17/20 10:39 PM
Hugh suggests in the video that the ipad could be put on a bookcase shelf or a tall table placed to the side of the piano. He emphasises the need to get the camera significantly above the keys.

We bought a new fridge recently and still have the cardboard box it came in. I will be doing a bit of craft work with a knife and glue to cut it down to a suitable height to stand my tablet on. A bit ugly but only temporary for half an hour a week until things get back to normal.
Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
Chrispy, The video you posted is informative but is geared towards teachers and students who will be using online lessons regularly. I do not own an IPad tripod holder and not planning to buy one for the few online lessons.

Can someone please explain where to set up the IPad without the need for additional equipment?



I was just going to put it on a big empty box or a chair or stool...nothing fancy, whatever is at the right height and available. Maybe prop it up with a few books if not high enough.
Posted By: Fidel Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/18/20 01:52 AM
My teacher cancelled lessons this week. I have some virus thingy making me miserable so I was happy with the cancellation. Not certain when lessons will resume as the building where we have lessons is on lock down.
Posted By: MrShed Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/18/20 02:05 AM
Originally Posted by Serge88
OK I got it but this also apply to public places like malls, public transport, grocery stores.



Which why people are buying out stores of hand sanitizer and sanitizer wipes and disposable gloves.

As to the original topic I take Skype lessons so I'm not cancelling. Since a lot of musicians are out of work with the bars, clubs, and concerts being canceled many are doing Skype lessons to bring in some money. I there's a musician you've always wanted a lesson with or to just talk to for an hour good time to hit them up for a lesson. Be a win-win for both of you.
Posted By: Erik54 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/18/20 11:25 AM
My piano teacher continues the lessons online, great!
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/18/20 12:55 PM
My teached offered to switch to online lessons.

But we're currently working on tension issues which IMHO requires physical contact to point out the problem spots at the moment they occur.

During the lessons, the situation is quite controlled, just you , the teacher and the piano. If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy.

I agree the teacher is possibly a hub Keeping a big distance from each other seems no option... So I specifically asked to cancel immediately at any sign of symptoms.

My biggest concern is the travel by public transport, not only being exposed to many people, but also transport may be interrupted or be unreliable.
Posted By: Seeker Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/18/20 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by wouter79
My teached offered to switch to online lessons.

But we're currently working on tension issues which IMHO requires physical contact to point out the problem spots at the moment they occur.

I've been able to work successfully through ZOOM on tension issues with students. It can be done if the camera angles are adjusted. No, I cannot adjust a student's hand/arm/body position with physical touch that way, but I can, and have, successfully modeled those things on camera.
Originally Posted by wouter79

During the lessons, the situation is quite controlled, just you , the teacher and the piano. If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy.

That's an assumption I'm not willing to make, nor a risk I can afford to take. I'm healthy enough, but as a cancer survivor (7 years cancer free now), I am somewhat immuno-compromised from the effects of radiation used in the cure. You may be carrying COVID-19 even if you are asymptomatic. In the absence of adequate testing, we just don't know. My opinion: err on the side of caution.
Originally Posted by wouter79

I agree the teacher is possibly a hub Keeping a big distance from each other seems no option... So I specifically asked to cancel immediately at any sign of symptoms.

Already commented on the danger of being an asymptomatic carrier.
Originally Posted by wouter79

My biggest concern is the travel by public transport, not only being exposed to many people, but also transport may be interrupted or be unreliable.
Originally Posted by JimF
My teacher cancelled in-studio lessons as of today. She's going to skype or facetime. I've done skype lessons before and really have no interest in learning that way, but she will continue to be paid our regular monthly amount regardless. Remember folks, if you can afford it, a broke piano teacher does you no good. This too will pass.


For now...I am going to virtual lesson too: it will the first time. I agree, I am supporting My teacher as many of his gigs were cancelled. Whilst I love to cook during the week: hub and I are ordering to support our local fav restaurants a few nights a week. Getting through this together.
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/19/20 09:45 AM
Originally Posted by Seeker
Originally Posted by wouter79
My teached offered to switch to online lessons.

But we're currently working on tension issues which IMHO requires physical contact to point out the problem spots at the moment they occur.

I've been able to work successfully through ZOOM on tension issues with students. It can be done if the camera angles are adjusted. No, I cannot adjust a student's hand/arm/body position with physical touch that way, but I can, and have, successfully modeled those things on camera.
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Given what it took at this lesson, I'm very sure it won't work with me. Can't speak about others but the tensiion issue is much harder than it may look superficially. For me at this point, it's either cancel the lessons and also stop playing, or continue lessons and playing. At this moment I prefer continue playing.
Posted By: Wayne2467 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/19/20 10:20 PM
My teacher offered the alternative of a FaceTime lesson and I declined it- is this the wrong to do☹️
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/19/20 10:30 PM
Originally Posted by Wayne2467
My teacher offered the alternative of a FaceTime lesson and I declined it- is this the wrong to do☹️


I will be trying my first online lesson in a couple of weeks as I only take a lesson every 4 weeks or so. There are so many people losing their jobs and incomes that I would like to continue to support my teacher even though online lessons may not be as beneficial. But I am looking forward to the lesson and maybe it will turn out to be fine. Going online saves me a lot of travel time. I’m trying to stay optimistic.
Originally Posted by Wayne2467
My teacher offered the alternative of a FaceTime lesson and I declined it- is this the wrong to do☹️


I cancelled my lessons feeling that it wasn't the right thing to do under the circumstances, but I'm trying to help get her set up on Skype.

Yes, I do think it's wrong not to take this as an alternative as I would imagine that for the majority of piano teachers if all their pupils cancelled it may create severe hardship. Personally I'll happily take a reduction in the lesson efficiency and effectiveness and help support my teacher through this time.

If however I felt that cancellation of lessons wouldn't create financial problems for my teacher then I would have no problem cancelling.
Posted By: Wayne2467 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/19/20 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by AndyOnThePiano
Originally Posted by Wayne2467
My teacher offered the alternative of a FaceTime lesson and I declined it- is this the wrong to do☹️


I cancelled my lessons feeling that it wasn't the right thing to do under the circumstances, but I'm trying to help get her set up on Skype.

Yes, I do think it's wrong not to take this as an alternative as I would imagine that for the majority of piano teachers if all their pupils cancelled it may create severe hardship. Personally I'll happily take a reduction in the lesson efficiency and effectiveness and help support my teacher through this time.

If however I felt that cancellation of lessons wouldn't create financial problems for my teacher then I would have no problem cancelling.


I’m definitely reconsidering after reading the comments on here- 👍
Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
Chrispy, The video you posted is informative but is geared towards teachers and students who will be using online lessons regularly. I do not own an IPad tripod holder and not planning to buy one for the few online lessons.

Can someone please explain where to set up the IPad without the need for additional equipment?



A lot of people use imaginatively positioned music stands. It all depends on what you have to hand, maybe a camera tripod, mic stand or even re-appropriated cardboard boxes and sellotape.

If you google 'skype piano lessons' and then scroll through the images you may see something you can copy. I've even seen an ipod hung over the edge of the piano lid to look down onto the keyboard.
Originally Posted by Wayne2467
Originally Posted by AndyOnThePiano
Originally Posted by Wayne2467
My teacher offered the alternative of a FaceTime lesson and I declined it- is this the wrong to do☹️


I cancelled my lessons feeling that it wasn't the right thing to do under the circumstances, but I'm trying to help get her set up on Skype.

Yes, I do think it's wrong not to take this as an alternative as I would imagine that for the majority of piano teachers if all their pupils cancelled it may create severe hardship. Personally I'll happily take a reduction in the lesson efficiency and effectiveness and help support my teacher through this time.

If however I felt that cancellation of lessons wouldn't create financial problems for my teacher then I would have no problem cancelling.


I’m definitely reconsidering after reading the comments on here- 👍


Sorry if I came across as a bit 'strident'. I didn't mean to be, but when I re-read it I realised that it could be read that way ....
Posted By: jjo Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/19/20 11:06 PM
I had a lesson today by Zoom. My teacher is no tech wizard, but in the last week she's learned how to do it and it worked. Not as good as in person, but a valuable and fun lesson.

Years ago I took some online lessons on organ with a guy who had sophisticated setup with an overhead camera so you could see his keyboard. Our setup today was about as primitive as you can get, but it works just fine.
If we can do it, we should support our teachers, especially for those really need this income and other sources are lost. It is kinda part of the ‘paying it forward’. I am sure I will cobble together a camera tripod and bits we have at home to make it work. Like PianogrlNW says: saving travel time.
Posted By: earlofmar Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by jjo
Our setup today was about as primitive as you can get, but it works just fine.


I had my first facetime piano lesson yesterday and the set up included a chair, a footstool and some books with a carefully balanced ipad to get the right angle laugh

I have been learning French over skype for the last couple of years so I have become very comfortable with online lessons. Piano online is of course a little different, but I don't think I am losing much by not being in the room with the teacher. If anything I can see there will be a lot less chit chat and more work. And as I said before, the time saved driving to my lesson and finding a parking spot is a nice bonus.

This might also be a good time to start that theory work with my teacher, that I have been putting off, needed for my next grade.
Posted By: scirocco Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 05:51 AM
I'm curious to know from people who are doing online lessons and have just a one camera setup (both teacher and student for example). Do you each have the camera looking at the other's keyboard? What do you do if either of you needs to point to something in the music (presumably you could not see this accurately if the camera view was zoomed out to entire keyboard view)? Is it just a matter of swivelling the camera round? And do you both have copies of the notation?

And how do you find the audio works if you both play at the same time? My teacher likes to play along in the treble as you play and it seems like there might be delays which could be disconcerting.
Posted By: earlofmar Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 07:42 AM
Originally Posted by scirocco
'm curious to know from people who are doing online lessons and have just a one camera setup (both teacher and student for example). Do you each have the camera looking at the other's keyboard? What do you do if either of you needs to point to something in the music (presumably you could not see this accurately if the camera view was zoomed out to entire keyboard view)? Is it just a matter of swivelling the camera round? And do you both have copies of the notation?

And how do you find the audio works if you both play at the same time? My teacher likes to play along in the treble as you play and it seems like there might be delays which could be disconcerting



I only had the one camera angle so my teacher could view my full keyboard and my hands. I didn't need to see her keyboard, but I am sure if she wanted to show me something specific she could have just swung her camera around. Yes the teacher needed to have the same books I was reading from, but I also sent her pdf copies of a few pages she might not have had (turns out she did).

In my lesson yesterday we did an analysis of a fairly complex piece. We were able to track each others comments/questions by the bar/measure numbers. As an example she would say ''here the notes in this bar make up a diminished chord'', I would be playing the same notes and I could hear her play exactly what I was playing. I believe that Zoom is best for the sound quality, but I was using facetime and that worked well enough that I have no complaints.

One thing, not everyone will find is that their piano and the teacher's piano are in perfect tune. This might be distracting for some.
For my lesson yesterday, I used Zoom on my cellphone and placed the phone towards the right, against the cheek. Teacher used her phone as well in the same position. Seemed to work fine smile
Posted By: Morodiene Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 02:01 PM
Originally Posted by scirocco
I'm curious to know from people who are doing online lessons and have just a one camera setup (both teacher and student for example). Do you each have the camera looking at the other's keyboard? What do you do if either of you needs to point to something in the music (presumably you could not see this accurately if the camera view was zoomed out to entire keyboard view)? Is it just a matter of swivelling the camera round? And do you both have copies of the notation?

And how do you find the audio works if you both play at the same time? My teacher likes to play along in the treble as you play and it seems like there might be delays which could be disconcerting.

I prefer to use laptops for online piano since it's easier to get the angle right, but ipads and phones work well too. I ask students to set up the camera off to the side, slightly above the keys so I can see what their hands are doing, and far enough away from the piano if possible so I can also see their upper body and face when I talk to them. I've used a sturdy music stand (the Manhassat ones), small tables that are easy to put away once done, and even propping up on a bunch of thick books to get the height just right. Currently I have a nice cart for audio equipment that hubby added casters to that I can wheel into position when it's time to teach.

I use Zoom for the calls, which I really prefer to Skype. There is a setting in the audio settings of Zoom that each person will have to uncheck the "Automatically adjust microphone" option, but once you do that it will stay that way, so minimal setting up is needed for subsequent lessons. I also allow for an extra 15 minutes between lessons at first so that if we have any technical problems, we can extend the time to compensate.

I pay for Zoom so I get some extra sound options, and it also allows me to have a "waiting room" so that if a student connects early, they don't jump in on another person's lesson accidentally. I let the next person in once the other leaves the meeting. Another neat feature of Zoom is that it allows recording, so a student can go back and rewatch the lesson.

For my part, I do have a two-camera set up, one with the side view described above, and another for overhead which helps if I'm demonstrating lateral rotation and fingering. I also use a separate microphone, but most of the time the microphones on laptops or phones work well enough (especially Apple products, I've noticed).

And yes, we each have a copy of the score. I use file sharing like Dropbox or Google Drive to give students any paperwork I'd normally hand them. They can also scan their theory work and put in the shared folder for me to look over. Every once in a while if I need to point at something in the score, I just take the music and hold it up to the camera.

Let me know if you have any other questions or need advice with your setup!
Posted By: Gombessa Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by wouter79

During the lessons, the situation is quite controlled, just you , the teacher and the piano. If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy.


I would strongly advise against this as a form of effective control. It's good to try to limit contact and be aware of what you are doing, but most of us are unaware of how often we touch our faces or how minimal contact with surfaces need to be to transmit the disease.

It may be worth watching something like this to see what we can't see with our own eyes: https://youtu.be/WpL3eKjaxDg
Posted By: jjo Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 04:08 PM
As for looking at music together, if one of you has the music in question on your computer, you use the Zoom "share" feature so you can both be looking at the music at the same time.
Posted By: gwing Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by wouter79

During the lessons, the situation is quite controlled, just you , the teacher and the piano. If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy.


I would strongly advise against this as a form of effective control. It's good to try to limit contact and be aware of what you are doing, but most of us are unaware of how often we touch our faces or how minimal contact with surfaces need to be to transmit the disease.

It may be worth watching something like this to see what we can't see with our own eyes: https://youtu.be/WpL3eKjaxDg



I think you may have the wrong like there?

Re the original quote above "If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy": That seems pretty obvious, if you are both healthy you would be OK, but that is *assuming* you are healthy and that might not actually be the case.

Clearly having online lessons is safer, if you do have a face to face lesson though you can improve the chances of avoiding infection by other steps as well like:
Wearing face masks (which protects the other person more than yourself),
Leaving the windows open before, during and after the lesson.
Not using the piano (and ideally not going into the piano room) before the lesson and again not until the next morning. This is the easier alternative to sterilising everything.
Trying to avoid both touching any of the surfaces. Any the piano teacher can't avoid touching like perhaps door handles etc. clean both before and after the visit.

All of these things will help, but not entirely eliminate the risk.
Posted By: dogperson Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by gwing
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by wouter79

During the lessons, the situation is quite controlled, just you , the teacher and the piano. If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy.


I would strongly advise against this as a form of effective control. It's good to try to limit contact and be aware of what you are doing, but most of us are unaware of how often we touch our faces or how minimal contact with surfaces need to be to transmit the disease.

It may be worth watching something like this to see what we can't see with our own eyes: https://youtu.be/WpL3eKjaxDg



I think you may have the wrong like there?

Re the original quote above "If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy": That seems pretty obvious, if you are both healthy you would be OK, but that is *assuming* you are healthy and that might not actually be the case.

Clearly having online lessons is safer, if you do have a face to face lesson though you can improve the chances of avoiding infection by other steps as well like:
Wearing face masks (which protects the other person more than yourself),
Leaving the windows open before, during and after the lesson.
Not using the piano (and ideally not going into the piano room) before the lesson and again not until the next morning. This is the easier alternative to sterilising everything.
Trying to avoid both touching any of the surfaces. Any the piano teacher can't avoid touching like perhaps door handles etc. clean both before and after the visit.

All of these things will help, but not entirely eliminate the risk.


I don’t see how not going into the piano room before and after is effective, as the virus can live on plastic and wood for nine days.
Posted By: gwing Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by gwing
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by wouter79

During the lessons, the situation is quite controlled, just you , the teacher and the piano. If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy.


I would strongly advise against this as a form of effective control. It's good to try to limit contact and be aware of what you are doing, but most of us are unaware of how often we touch our faces or how minimal contact with surfaces need to be to transmit the disease.

It may be worth watching something like this to see what we can't see with our own eyes: https://youtu.be/WpL3eKjaxDg



I think you may have the wrong like there?

Re the original quote above "If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy": That seems pretty obvious, if you are both healthy you would be OK, but that is *assuming* you are healthy and that might not actually be the case.

Clearly having online lessons is safer, if you do have a face to face lesson though you can improve the chances of avoiding infection by other steps as well like:
Wearing face masks (which protects the other person more than yourself),
Leaving the windows open before, during and after the lesson.
Not using the piano (and ideally not going into the piano room) before the lesson and again not until the next morning. This is the easier alternative to sterilising everything.
Trying to avoid both touching any of the surfaces. Any the piano teacher can't avoid touching like perhaps door handles etc. clean both before and after the visit.

All of these things will help, but not entirely eliminate the risk.


I don’t see how not going into the piano room before and after is effective, as the virus can live on plastic and wood for nine days.


I had understood 12 hours was pretty safe but I see more information is now available:

"But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway? The short answer is, we don't know. A new analysis found that the virus can remain viable in the air for up to 3 hours, on copper for up to 4 hours, on cardboard up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel up to 72 hours. This study was originally published in the preprint database medRxiv on March 11, and now a revised version was published March 17 in The New England Journal of Medicine."

That said it isn't a black and white thing - there is no magic interval where suddenly after that time has expired all the viruses will die. As they are exposed on the surfaces (particularly if the windows are open and there is good air circulation) some of the viruses will be dying So even if they haven't all completely died off you will, by not entering the piano room for an interval, have reduced the number of viable viruses and hence the chance of infection.
Two of maybe kids started piano lessons through a zoom class right before this. It was a challenge to figure out how to see the keys well. I ended up getting an adjustable laptop stand where the angle and the height adjust and placed the laptop to the side at an angle. The first lesson I kept it far enough away to see their face still which for a kid is less then an adult. It worked ok but it was hard for the teacher to hear them talk so I will try closer. Another teacher gave me the idea to use two devices and turn the sound and microphone off one so there is no interference. I might try that with one to the side for the hands and wrists and one on the stand to make speaking easier and to see the face too.
Posted By: dogperson Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by gwing






I had understood 12 hours was pretty safe but I see more information is now available:

"But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway? The short answer is, we don't know. A new analysis found that the virus can remain viable in the air for up to 3 hours, on copper for up to 4 hours, on cardboard up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel up to 72 hours. This study was originally published in the preprint database medRxiv on March 11, and now a revised version was published March 17 in The New England Journal of Medicine."

That said it isn't a black and white thing - there is no magic interval where suddenly after that time has expired all the viruses will die. As they are exposed on the surfaces (particularly if the windows are open and there is good air circulation) some of the viruses will be dying So even if they haven't all completely died off you will, by not entering the piano room for an interval, have reduced the number of viable viruses and hence the chance of infection.


The Journal of Hospital Infections come to a different conclusion from research —— 9 days for plastic
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext
Posted By: Morodiene Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Pianonewbie27
Two of maybe kids started piano lessons through a zoom class right before this. It was a challenge to figure out how to see the keys well. I ended up getting an adjustable laptop stand where the angle and the height adjust and placed the laptop to the side at an angle. The first lesson I kept it far enough away to see their face still which for a kid is less then an adult. It worked ok but it was hard for the teacher to hear them talk so I will try closer. Another teacher gave me the idea to use two devices and turn the sound and microphone off one so there is no interference. I might try that with one to the side for the hands and wrists and one on the stand to make speaking easier and to see the face too.

The sound issue may be one that most video conferencing platforms have that if there's a loud sound it will reduce the mic volume. This feature works great for voice chatting, but awful for piano playing with dynamic changes. I recommend shutting this off and manually adjusting the mic settings. You should be able to hear speaking voice just fine from a distance on one device.

I also recommend testing out with a friend ahead of time to work these issues out rather than trying to do it during a lesson.
I had Skype lessons for a while before I found a local teacher.

I used a webcam connected to my laptop and supported on an 11 inch 'magic articulating arm' screwed into a small desktop camera tripod sat on a shelf just behind my keyboard. I had a separate microphone for my voice, but fed the output of my DP back into the laptop via the same mixer and a DAC (actually an ADC for any pedants out there).

It worked well, even with my very shaky broadband. It wasn't as good as sitting next to somebody, but if it means being able to continue lessons then I'd go back to it without any hesitation.
Posted By: zillybug Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 07:35 PM
earlofmar
My teacher said he has done a couple of lessons on FaceTime . How did your lesson go? Most teachers are using Zoom
Thanks Judy
Originally Posted by zillybug
Most teachers are using Zoom

In Zoom, one can turn off the automatic "lossy" audio compression for both sides of the connection. This is extremely good for music. Most other messaging platforms, such as Skype, do not have this ability. For those that don't know how to do this, you should look it up on the Zoom help pages. It's really good.

One other thing to turn off is the automatic dynamic adjustment. You don't want soft passages to get louder and louder passages to get softer. You want it to be soft and loud only when you are playing soft and loud. So turn off the automatic dynamics level adjustment.
Posted By: bennevis Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by gwing
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by wouter79

During the lessons, the situation is quite controlled, just you , the teacher and the piano. If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy.


I would strongly advise against this as a form of effective control. It's good to try to limit contact and be aware of what you are doing, but most of us are unaware of how often we touch our faces or how minimal contact with surfaces need to be to transmit the disease.

It may be worth watching something like this to see what we can't see with our own eyes: https://youtu.be/WpL3eKjaxDg



I think you may have the wrong like there?

Re the original quote above "If you don't touch your face during the lesson and wash your hands before and after, it should be ok assuming both are healthy": That seems pretty obvious, if you are both healthy you would be OK, but that is *assuming* you are healthy and that might not actually be the case.

Clearly having online lessons is safer, if you do have a face to face lesson though you can improve the chances of avoiding infection by other steps as well like:
Wearing face masks (which protects the other person more than yourself),
Leaving the windows open before, during and after the lesson.
Not using the piano (and ideally not going into the piano room) before the lesson and again not until the next morning. This is the easier alternative to sterilising everything.
Trying to avoid both touching any of the surfaces. Any the piano teacher can't avoid touching like perhaps door handles etc. clean both before and after the visit.

All of these things will help, but not entirely eliminate the risk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9FGrmYUr5c
Posted By: Palmpirate Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 09:39 PM

I canceled mine last yesterday, even though its a private studio and Im sure teach is very careful, those little kids most likely are not. I'm an at risk older person so not taking any chances. I don't know anyone who is ill and haven't heard of any cases locally here in the BC Interior. I shall check if he is going to Skype at all or offer any alternative. It's hard to imagine being able to really see what's going on with your hands on the keyboard from a screen. I can ask specific questions and I have lots. Maybe it is an alternative for him to come to me.I shall ask. Had lots of practice time this week!
Posted By: earlofmar Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/20/20 11:09 PM
Originally Posted by zillybug
earlofmar
My teacher said he has done a couple of lessons on FaceTime . How did your lesson go? Most teachers are using Zoom
Thanks Judy


Yeah my lesson went really well on Face Time. I did want to use Zoom and might in the future but my teacher was already well versed with Face Time and just gets by when it comes to technology.

We were both using ipads and the inbuilt mics and cameras were pretty good for what we were doing, I don't have anything to complain about.

Another plus I thought about taking lessons online is, we are in our normal practice environment, perhaps there is a greater chance a teacher will see something we are doing wrong. Just trying to be positive about the whole situation.
I just had my Zoom test session today with my teacher, where we tested the audio and video in my piano room. It was just a technology test, making sure everything looked and sounded the best possible (e.g., the right height, angle, loudness, dynamics, etc). We figured it out and we’re set for my first Zoom lesson next week.

I used my laptop and ended up having to use a headset with mic as well, for better sound.



Posted By: zillybug Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/21/20 02:15 AM
Thanks Earofmar,
I don’t have an iPad and I found out it will not work on Windows so we are going to try using Zoom. I have a friend who has had two lessons using Zoom so I will try to practice with her before my lesson next Friday. I can’t figure out how to put something in quotes on here so you can see how technologically challenged I am.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/21/20 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by zillybug
Thanks Earofmar,
I don’t have an iPad and I found out it will not work on Windows so we are going to try using Zoom. I have a friend who has had two lessons using Zoom so I will try to practice with her before my lesson next Friday. I can’t figure out how to put something in quotes on here so you can see how technologically challenged I am.

I highly recommend chatting or calling the Zoom tech support. You don't need a paid subscription to get the support, and they are very helpful.
Posted By: Blague Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/21/20 04:03 AM
I had my first online lesson tonight on Zoom and it went better than I thought it would. I definitely prefer in-person, but that's not something that can happen for a while obviously. Connection issues to start, but I think that was more my wifi. Teacher said there's occasional issues during primetime hours, though, too. All in all fairly happy with how it went.
Posted By: gwing Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/21/20 01:42 PM
Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by gwing






I had understood 12 hours was pretty safe but I see more information is now available:

"But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway? The short answer is, we don't know. A new analysis found that the virus can remain viable in the air for up to 3 hours, on copper for up to 4 hours, on cardboard up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel up to 72 hours. This study was originally published in the preprint database medRxiv on March 11, and now a revised version was published March 17 in The New England Journal of Medicine."

That said it isn't a black and white thing - there is no magic interval where suddenly after that time has expired all the viruses will die. As they are exposed on the surfaces (particularly if the windows are open and there is good air circulation) some of the viruses will be dying So even if they haven't all completely died off you will, by not entering the piano room for an interval, have reduced the number of viable viruses and hence the chance of infection.


The Journal of Hospital Infections come to a different conclusion from research —— 9 days for plastic
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext


Three experts in a room, four opinions :-)

Some concensus will eventually emerge as more studies are done.
Posted By: dogperson Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/21/20 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by gwing
Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by gwing






I had understood 12 hours was pretty safe but I see more information is now available:

"But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway? The short answer is, we don't know. A new analysis found that the virus can remain viable in the air for up to 3 hours, on copper for up to 4 hours, on cardboard up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel up to 72 hours. This study was originally published in the preprint database medRxiv on March 11, and now a revised version was published March 17 in The New England Journal of Medicine."

That said it isn't a black and white thing - there is no magic interval where suddenly after that time has expired all the viruses will die. As they are exposed on the surfaces (particularly if the windows are open and there is good air circulation) some of the viruses will be dying So even if they haven't all completely died off you will, by not entering the piano room for an interval, have reduced the number of viable viruses and hence the chance of infection.


The Journal of Hospital Infections come to a different conclusion from research —— 9 days for plastic
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext


Three experts in a room, four opinions :-)

Some concensus will eventually emerge as more studies are done.


It is true that different research will have different results; but at least it is a scientific conclusion. Your original statement that avoiding the piano room would be enough is totally unsupported by evidence and a potentially harmful advice to be posting.
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/21/20 07:08 PM
I did a practice FaceTime with a piano friend and the sound quality on both ends was terrible. I have an IPad and friend has an IPhone. I don’t see any settings on FaceTime to make adjustments. I even tried using a bluetooth speaker on my end and it did not help the sound quality. The quality is so poor that I do not think an online lesson would work. Sounds like the other person is under water.

Next step is to try Zoom. Morodiene and Tyrone, under settings I do not have.the option of turning off “Automatically adjust volume”, “lossy audio compression or any other audio settings. I am assuming it is because I am using the free, not subscription, version.
This might help

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003279466-Preserve-Original-Sound
Posted By: PianogrlNW Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/21/20 08:00 PM


This works for subscription accounts, not the free basic ones.
Originally Posted by Morodiene
Originally Posted by Pianonewbie27
Two of maybe kids started piano lessons through a zoom class right before this. It was a challenge to figure out how to see the keys well. I ended up getting an adjustable laptop stand where the angle and the height adjust and placed the laptop to the side at an angle. The first lesson I kept it far enough away to see their face still which for a kid is less then an adult. It worked ok but it was hard for the teacher to hear them talk so I will try closer. Another teacher gave me the idea to use two devices and turn the sound and microphone off one so there is no interference. I might try that with one to the side for the hands and wrists and one on the stand to make speaking easier and to see the face too.

The sound issue may be one that most video conferencing platforms have that if there's a loud sound it will reduce the mic volume. This feature works great for voice chatting, but awful for piano playing with dynamic changes. I recommend shutting this off and manually adjusting the mic settings. You should be able to hear speaking voice just fine from a distance on one device.

I also recommend testing out with a friend ahead of time to work these issues out rather than trying to do it during a lesson.


The speakers on the device I am using are really puny which is part of the problem. I did not realize that it could reduce the mic volume if there is a loud sound though. I did use the zoom test to try it out before hand.
Posted By: KevinM Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/21/20 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by PianogrlNW


This works for subscription accounts, not the free basic ones.


I think you can preserve original sounds for free, but these features only become activated when a credit card is supplied. See this post

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...angouts-alternatives-or.html#Post2885101
Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by PianogrlNW


This works for subscription accounts, not the free basic ones.


I think you can preserve original sounds for free, but these features only become activated when a credit card is supplied. See this post

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...angouts-alternatives-or.html#Post2885101


Correct, it also says it in the prereqs in the support article linked above. It's easy to miss though.

Quote
Prerequisites
Free with Credit Card, Pro, Business or API Partner Account
Owner or Admin Privileges to Enable
Zoom Desktop Client
Windows: 4.1.8826.0925 or higher
macOS: 4.1.8826.0925 or higher
Oops. I wasn't following this thread in the last day. PianogrlNW- bSharp(C)yclist and KevinM are right. I had confirmed with Customer Service (which you can use even if you aren't a paid subscriber!) that no subscription is needed for the Preserve Original Sound feature. As they said, you do need to use a credit card however, even if you aren't paying with the card. Also, this feature won't work if you are using an iPad or iPhone - so with those devices (such as I have for the time being), you are stuck with the compression.
Originally Posted by PianogrlNW




Cool and Novel (bad pun) Humor smile it'll go viral......
Posted By: Mosotti Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/22/20 07:58 AM
In Romania there's a state of emergency since last Monday. We had at that time about 150 cases confirmed, and several tens of thousands in quarantine or isolation. Now we stand at 360, with 50 healed, with heavily restricted circulation and most of the things closed. This should not be taken lightly, "only 200 cases in my country" and no measures will end up with tens of thousands infected and hundreds of deaths in a couple of weeks.
Last week I had my first online lesson, on Facebook. It went great and it was pretty interesting since both me and my teacher had their own piano, so she could play more instead of explaining how I should play or switch places.
Posted By: akc42 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/22/20 08:19 PM
I had an in person lesson last Thursday (teacher comes to me), but almost the same day we got more government advice to keep a social distance of at least two meters from every one. So my wife and I are going into lock down for some time. We have enough food for a while and I am planning on switching to Skype from now on. Took me a while to get Skype set up my iPad and I haven't managed a video call yet, but I am sure I will.
Posted By: Morodiene Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/23/20 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Oops. I wasn't following this thread in the last day. PianogrlNW- bSharp(C)yclist and KevinM are right. I had confirmed with Customer Service (which you can use even if you aren't a paid subscriber!) that no subscription is needed for the Preserve Original Sound feature. As they said, you do need to use a credit card however, even if you aren't paying with the card. Also, this feature won't work if you are using an iPad or iPhone - so with those devices (such as I have for the time being), you are stuck with the compression.

Ya, I agree - using a laptop works best, and if it's a mac, the mic is probably good enough. If you want, you can use an external mic, however, and that's even better.

I only recommend the ipad or iphone for my voice students - that seems to work much better than even mac mics, but it's still tricky because of the sustaining power of the voice it will often overpower most small mics even at a distance.
Posted By: outo Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/24/20 09:47 AM
I will have my piano and cello lessons by mobile phone and zoom this week. Sort of testing how it goes. It is possible for me to set up better equipment if necessary, but mainly I am just continuing lessons to support my teachers and to keep myself motivated to at least do little practice. I have fixed salary and the only way the virus is affecting me is the enourmous extra work load...which I am trying to handle while working from home.

I don't think sound quality matters much since I haven't been practicing at all for a week now. 12 hour work days and also working on weekends has taken it's toll...
Posted By: PatG Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/24/20 09:13 PM
Sunday my piano teacher informed me that all piano lessons are cancelled for now. Our state, Montana has 46 confirmed cases with one in the county she teaches in, who returned from an overseas trip. Online lessons is not an option at this time. I'm glad and sad about the decision. This was my one outing of the week since the virus started. As a senior citizen I need to be careful though, because of the virus. Lately I've been having trouble concentrating when playing and not playing as much as I usually do. Piano lessons is a big motivator to practice. It shouldn't be though. It should be because I love to play. And many times it is. But right now I'm more concerned about our finances then getting the virus. How are we going to pay next months mortgage? My husband and son are house painters and are not getting work. They had a very slow winter and this is the beginning of their busy season. My son, wife and 4 children live with us. Sorry I'm rambling. Can't wait till this Coronavirus is over!!
Posted By: dogperson Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/24/20 10:14 PM
Pat
I’m so sorry to hear about the financial worries you have for your family. ... it is always depressing to know we have worked hard, done the right things, and then be faced with financial hardship through no fault of our own. My thoughts go out to you! I’m so hopeful the government package will provide the assistance your family needs. I hope for all of us—- that the pandemic will end soon and we can return to our normal lives,’.

Please check with your mortgage company as some of them are waiving payments during the pandemic. I believe this also may be included in the pending package.

I will be praying for you!
Posted By: PatG Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/25/20 01:20 AM
dogperson Thank you for your kind and caring words and for your prayers!
We're talking about more than music classes cancelled. Entire cities are in lockdown. People are asked to not attend gathering of more than 5 people and keep social distance at least 3 feet from each other. The # of infections are still rising and not yet peaked. The Olympics finally get postponed. We still have a while to go before life returns to normal.

My music teacher is talking about teaching online since the local conservatory is not open.
Lets' do a skype !
Posted By: bill_k34 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/25/20 11:53 AM
I had my first Skype lesson of the outbreak yesterday. I'm not sure the audio compression is much of a problem - my teacher had no problem hearing what I was doing wrong!

I use a computer and webcam, I think the webcam has a slightly wider field of view than most phone cameras & tablets so I can get more of the keyboard in the shot. I don't think it matters though - an iPhone taped to a chair would probably work almost as well.

Of course, it's not the same as a face-to-face lesson, but it was still very productive. It's also some extra social interaction - I live alone so it's probably quite healthy for me laugh
I was meaning a "social" skype for members on here. but nix to that idea. I read your blog , and interesting that how easy it is to feel the same, and likely because of the circumstances.
Here in the USA , in PA there are only "life essential businesses" open and all schools are closed until the state gov't changes the quarantine/ lockdown levels.
I'm not feeling the pain of isolation yet, but more so appreciate the time to sleep as I work nights as a nurse (first time I ever revealed that) on a sub-acute unit.
As extracurricular activity I'm taking a free course online from the Univ of Edinburg, on Coursera--"Know thyself"....As far the course? interesting, and a different take on spiritualism for me during a drastic time of a pandemic; and a rehash of a "MPT or "Modern Political Thought" Course in College 35 years ago.
Also my micro course concentrated it's last page on a pandemic issue over 35 years ago.
So as diversion in the meantime I'll keep tinkering at the piano. smile
And wish everyone health.

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Posted By: bill_k34 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/25/20 06:17 PM
I think you're probably onto something with the extra-curricular activities - I'm going to see if I can find a short course in something interesting (and not musical!)
I had my first virtual - it went better than I thought. At my end I will need to work on the angle of camera [using android phone with a tripod adapter]. Thankfully, teacher has a great ear and audio was pretty good for him to hear me hitting the wrong notes. It is sure helping me to work on my aural skills at the same time as I can’t really watch him play.

I liked it as I was playing on my own piano, in my own environment where I practice most of the time.

We will try zoom next week, google hangout worked fine. And paying him is easy to with all various payment apps!
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/28/20 03:05 PM
I had to cancel further lessons because it's getting too hard to get at my teacher at the scheduled time with public transport. transport is at a lower rate, connections are broken, drops outs, etc.

But my piano is getting very badly out of tune anyway and I don't expect the tuner will be available soon. So it seems I'll have to quit playing for now...
Originally Posted by wouter79
I had to cancel further lessons because it's getting too hard to get at my teacher at the scheduled time with public transport. transport is at a lower rate, connections are broken, drops outs, etc.

But my piano is getting very badly out of tune anyway and I don't expect the tuner will be available soon. So it seems I'll have to quit playing for now...


Why not try going to online lessons? I would think an out of tune piano is better than no piano? When things go sideways, we need to adapt - that’s my philosophy anyway.
Posted By: wouter79 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/28/20 05:18 PM
I have no camera and my computer crashes completely when I run skype. I can not risk anything like that as it's the only communication device for the work. And the piano is getting quickly to the point of being unbearable. I already tweaked some squealing unisons but others are going out as well and I know that this will quickly deteriorate further... Some chords sound different, I already wondered a few times if I had all the notes correct.
Posted By: Wayne2467 Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/28/20 11:28 PM
Had my first online lesson on Thursday. A lot better than I thought it would be. Neither of us are used to online lessons using only FaceTime but it worked out ok
Posted By: cagal Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/29/20 12:24 PM
I had mine Monday using Zoom. I had to jimmy my iPad onto a music stand to get a good angle of the piano but it worked well. This way I can support my teacher. I really like that my teacher had duplicates of the music and could just play something he wanted me to work on. No more switching spots! I think though like some others my playing/practicing is suffering. I’m working from home and finding I’m putting in way more hours than I would normally
Posted By: salzdt Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/29/20 12:34 PM
I canceled my piano tuning. I contacted my teacher and asked about vertical lesson. We set it up on Face Time. Worked out well, and all is safe. We are in lock down. Only go to store for food or pharmacy for medicine. Try it!
Posted By: earlofmar Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/30/20 08:30 AM
Originally Posted by cagal
I think though like some others my playing/practicing is suffering. I’m working from home and finding I’m putting in way more hours than I would normally


Don't quite follow you, if you are putting in way more practice time then why is your playing/practicing suffering?
Posted By: zillybug Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/30/20 12:03 PM
I think Cagal may have meant more hours are being put in on work. I am also working from home and there are so many of us doing it that the system is really slow. It is taking me 3 hours to do what would normally take 1 hour. However, I am grateful I can work from home.
Posted By: cagal Re: Anyone cancelled their piano lesson ? - 03/30/20 11:06 PM
Yes Zillybug. I meant I’m working significantly more hours. I’m grateful to be home but it’s very wearing to be working 10 or 12 hour a day especially when the time is not that productive.
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