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Posted By: Mark...

Large tablet for piano - 03/12/18 06:40 PM

I'm looking for a large tablet to use for YouTube instruction videos and possibly for sheet music. Do to old eyes want something large. Looking for suggestions. Prefer android, not an Apple guy. Thanks!
Posted By: Beemer

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/12/18 07:31 PM

My tablet which I use for browsing here and for playing my sheet music is a Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2. This has a 12.2" screen.

Ian
Posted By: Lillith

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/12/18 07:38 PM

The problem is that big screens are expensive, which is why I use a Lenovo Tab2 10.1 inch with Android for sheet music. No problem at all, and I bet my eyes are older than yours!!
I've seen pianists in cafes locally using 9 and ten inch screens too,

That said, last weekend I examined and drooled over an iPad Pro 12.9 inch tablet which I would get in an instant if they were a quarter their price smile
Posted By: Whizbang

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/12/18 10:59 PM

I got an iPad Pro as a birthday present and it vastly improved the ease with I can read my scores.
Posted By: newbert

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/12/18 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Whizbang
I got an iPad Pro as a birthday present and it vastly improved the ease with I can read my scores.


Mark's "not an Apple guy". Too bad - I LOVE my iPad Pro too.
Posted By: RVDowning

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/13/18 08:32 PM

I am using a "NuVision 13.3" Full HD - 16GB - Android Internet Tablet with Keyboard Case, Stand & Stylus (TM1318) - Purple." I understand they used to be below $100, but mine cost $148.57. I use it with Mobile Sheets Pro to display music. Also use a foot pedal to turn pages. I love this setup.

I had to send back my Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2. because of a manufacturing defect that caused to to not want to boot after the battery level dropped below around 80%.
Posted By: UnderConstruction

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/14/18 01:14 AM

I've been very happy with my 13" tablet, its Windows though, not android. Only using it for sheet music, annotations on the sheet music (Xodo), and bluetooth foot pedal. It comes with a pen, so make the annotation much easier.

https://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_557447.html

I have to say though that when I bought it, I was skeptical, because it was so much cheaper than anything out there, but glad I did. smile
Posted By: P3T3R

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/14/18 02:32 AM

I use a 17 inch Dell is 2 in 1 convertible laptop. My vision is still pretty good so I'm able to view 2 pages at once. It was an open-box item at BestBuy, somewhere around $500. I think Windows is the way to go for this. Large touch screens are cheaper in 2in1s than dedicated tablets.
Posted By: newer player

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/14/18 02:47 AM

The 13.3" eInk from Sony or Onyx are nice.

The DUAL 13.3" eInk from GVIDO Tokyo is designed for music scores.

The eInk is easy on the eyes, very low glare, long battery life. Rather expensive.

https://www.gvido.tokyo/

http://www.the-ebook-reader.com/ebook-reader-comparison.html

EDIT - I don't think eInk is good for videos.
Posted By: Mark...

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/14/18 05:44 PM

Thanks for all the great feedback!
Posted By: Tubbie0075

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/14/18 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by newbert
Originally Posted by Whizbang
I got an iPad Pro as a birthday present and it vastly improved the ease with I can read my scores.


Mark's "not an Apple guy". Too bad - I LOVE my iPad Pro too.




I was going to say the same! LOL
Posted By: EP

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/14/18 10:26 PM

I too love my iPad pro, but I'd love to see the GVIDO come down to a reasonable price! Surely it, or something like it, will be affordable sometime.
Posted By: ajames

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/15/18 03:58 PM

I'm Surprised no one mentioned the Samsung Galaxy View 18.4". I'm an old guy too, and that is the smallest screen I would even consider... otherwise I'm just sticking to paper. I nice big e-ink tablet <$500 would be perfect but no such luck as yet.
Posted By: FrankCox

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/15/18 05:32 PM

I looked at that one in some online reviews. The screen looks big enough to be useful, but is 1920x1080 resolution high enough to look good at close range? I got the impression that it's mostly intended for watching videos from further back, kind of like a television set.
Posted By: RVDowning

Re: Large tablet for piano - 03/15/18 08:18 PM

Several have mentioned eyesight difficulty in reading music. I use MobileSheetsPro, and there is a way to make the score practically as large as you could ever need.

Suppose for example that you have 8 lines of music on a page (4 treble and 4 base) and that makes the notes too small. One can copy that page 1 time so that one has page 1 and page 2. Then one can crop the first page to only display the first 4 lines of music and save that as the new page 1. Then crop page 2 to only display the second 4 lines of music. So, the one page has become 2 pages, each with just 4 lines of music.

Then turn the tablet sideways to landscape mode and the music will expand both vertically and horizontally until the edge of the screen is reached (keeping aspect ratio). Obviously the one page could have been turned into 4 pages to make the notation even larger.

This could probably be done with any music in a pdf format, but I don't know the specific tools one would use to do the cropping. This is also a way that one could have larger notation on a smaller device, although it might be a nuisance if it had to be done too much.
Posted By: EP

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/07/18 07:58 PM

I only recently realized ForScore has now added a dual-screen capability for the iPad - a second device can function as a sort of slave, so you see two pages at the same time, just like using a book. It seems to work pretty well - it uses their Cue app on the second device and you see pages 1-2, 3-4, etc. I've just tested it on my iPad and an iPhone (using ForScore mini on the iPhone). I'm going to try it out on two 12.9" iPad Pros. I'm wondering if anyone has been using this feature?
Posted By: newbert

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/08/18 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by EP
I only recently realized ForScore has now added a dual-screen capability for the iPad - a second device can function as a sort of slave, so you see two pages at the same time, just like using a book. It seems to work pretty well - it uses their Cue app on the second device and you see pages 1-2, 3-4, etc. I've just tested it on my iPad and an iPhone (using ForScore mini on the iPhone). I'm going to try it out on two 12.9" iPad Pros. I'm wondering if anyone has been using this feature?


I wasn't aware of that capability. I think that I'll give it a try using my 12.9 iPad Pro and standard size iPad 4.

Thanks!
Posted By: EP

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/08/18 02:23 AM

I think I have it figured out. You can even do your annotations on the Pro and they will also show on the second screen. It took me a couple of tries to figure out how to do that. I don't think you even need ForScore on the second device, just the Cue app.
Let me know how it works for you.
Posted By: newer player

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/21/18 05:08 AM

New video & comments showing Onyx e-Ink (13.3" X 2) from HK. Gives good idea of form factor, screen quality, how to manage scores, features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS1ezBrQTRo

PadMu Music is Italian hardware partner of Onyx; they do some of the music software-bluetooth.

https://www.padformusician.com/en/
Posted By: cmb13

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/21/18 10:38 AM

Wow, I'm surprised at how many are using digital media for sheeet music. I'm totally a tech person, have multiple computers and tablets, yet I really prefer paper for reading music. In fact Instore my music on Dropbox in PDF, but then go so far as to print onto high quality slightly colored paper for the best legibility. I find the bright screen to be a little annoying when reading from a tablet.

Regarding screen size, have you considered using those reader glasses that have a slight magnification? I usually wear glasses, but when I wear contact lenses I find sometimes if the print is small these help.
Posted By: cmb13

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/21/18 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by newer player
New video & comments showing Onyx i-Ink (13.3" X 2) from HK. Gives good idea of form factor, screen quality, how to manage scores, features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS1ezBrQTRo

PadMu Music is Italian hardware partner of Onyx; they do some of the music software-bluetooth.

https://www.padformusician.com/en/


That padmu is really cool though!!!
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/21/18 11:30 AM

cmb13, are you in the group of people who play from the score (more or less exclusively) or are you in the group who plays, mostly, from memory and only uses the score to learn and practice a new piece? (Or maybe somewhere in between...)

I'm firmly in the former group and always play from the score, and as such, the tablet has one major advantage for me that simply blows away any paper sheets (well, not literally...): Hassle free page turns with a foot pedal. I see many more advantages to using a tablet with a proper software (easier management, searching filtering etc., easier editing, re-arranging, etc.) but I could live without all of those and be reasonably happy with paper sheets - except for those darn page turns. They annoy me so much, that I've essentially not played a single piece from paper since I restarted piano (with a tablet right away), except the pieces from the Christmas album I have. But those are so short that they don't have page turns. I've even bought high quality editions of music books (from a certain well respected German brand that is everything but cheap) and the first thing I did was to go to a copy shop and have the spines cut off, so that I could scan them.

I can see however, that for someone who is in the second group, page turns aren't an issue, so that advantage of a tablet wouldn't be as important.
Posted By: cmb13

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/21/18 12:24 PM

That's a good point, Jobert, and in fact I did notice a page turn issue when playing my recital piece. However, my issue was that I can't get the next page to lie completely flat quickly. I do play mostly from the score, but most thus far of my pieces are short enough as to require no page turns, or maybe only one.

My system is scan, print on good paper, and place in sheet protectors in a 3 ring binder. I wonder what your thoughts are on the brightness / very black-white nature of the e-format. That bothers me a little - can you make it as if it's on yellowed or ecru paper? I posed this question on the Pianist Corner as well.
Posted By: JoBert

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/21/18 04:42 PM

cmb13, I'm using the MobileSheetsPro app (available for Android, Amazon Fire and Windows 10), which has four color tint options (I didn't even know that and looked it up when you asked): Original (untinted), sepia, grey and cool. Samples below:

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and then of course you can always also regulate the brightness of the tablet.

The gallery with the full size screenshots is here:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/galleries/2730597.html
Posted By: Keselo

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/21/18 04:53 PM

I didn't know that either, JoBert, thank you! I find it much easier to read when using the sepia setting.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/22/18 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by JoBert
... I've even bought high quality editions of music books (from a certain well respected German brand that is everything but cheap) and the first thing I did was to go to a copy shop and have the spines cut off, so that I could scan them.


Just to say that one of those well respected German publishers that sell blue covered books has been gradually releasing their collection in electronic format. Easier than having the spines cut off :-)
Posted By: cmb13

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/22/18 08:59 PM

Jobert, I like those colors....much easier on the eyes. Thanks.
Posted By: FrankCox

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/22/18 09:15 PM

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has been gradually releasing their collection in electronic format.


Are the files copy protected?

If the publisher only releases a copy protected pdf it's usually better to purchase the hard copy and scan it yourself.

It's more work but you get a file that's more generally useful since you can keep a back up copy and it won't disappear if someone other than you decides to remotely delete it from your device in the future.

Think it can't happen? Here's one example. A google search will find others if you're interested. Microsoft Plays For Sure is another. (And what an ironic name, too.)
Posted By: NobleHouse

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/22/18 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by FrankCox
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has been gradually releasing their collection in electronic format.


Are the files copy protected?

If the publisher only releases a copy protected pdf it's usually better to purchase the hard copy and scan it yourself.

It's more work but you get a file that's more generally useful since you can keep a back up copy and it won't disappear if someone other than you decides to remotely delete it from your device in the future.

Think it can't happen? Here's one example. A google search will find others if you're interested. Microsoft Plays For Sure is another. (And what an ironic name, too.)


So true! It is much better to have both a Hard Copy as well as electronic ones. Electronic ones are easily deleted. Hard copies can only be burned by governments.... cursing
Posted By: Groove On

Re: Large tablet for piano - 04/22/18 11:59 PM

Does anyone use ForScore connected to a large LED screen? I was thinking it might be cheaper than a 2nd tablet and it can show 2 very large pages at the same time.
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