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Other people do Piano Marvel?

Posted By: Sarah65

Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/01/18 03:06 PM

So I wonder if there are adult beginners here who try the self-study with Piano Marvel method. I myself am now working on level 3b in method, and I can't get Arabia fast 100% played. I also find the technique of level 3 far too difficult in relation to the method. Like opinions, maybe advise from you, thank you:)
Posted By: Steven Carr

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/01/18 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
So I wonder if there are adult beginners here who try the self-study with Piano Marvel method. I myself am now working on level 3b in method, and I can't get Arabia fast 100% played. I also find the technique of level 3 far too difficult in relation to the method. Like opinions, maybe advise from you, thank you:)


I do Piano Marvel. I also found Arabia difficult.

And I also found the technique of level 3 more difficult than the method.

But I got through it.

Piano is something where you can level off in skill for a while. This is very annoying. The secret is to practice slowly and then one day, what seemed very hard will just be under the fingers.

It can be frustrating waiting for that to happen. but I don't know a shortcut.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/01/18 05:59 PM

I got a trial account somewhere around the late middle of November 2017 and upgraded just before the 30 days was up on 14th December with a years subscription. I just finished January with over 2600 minutes logged that month. So I use it a lot grin (for those of you who don't know - Piano Marvel only logs time when you are playing the keyboard against a particular piece of music where Piano Marvel is noting if your are playing the right notes or not)

As I've stated elsewhere I just scraped a grade 3 exam at age 10 and then stopped for 56 years starting again last September. My original reason for joining Piano Marvel was to improve my sight reading, and I have taken a sight reading test every day since - when I started I was in the low 300s, but I am slowly getting better and am consistently in the 400s now and about a week ago I briefly broke 500 (517).

I started the Method and Technique sections at level 4, and have been slowly working along that level - in the Method I am half way through 4D making sure everything prior is at 100%. This afternoon I completed from the 4D exercise 4. "Major Scales and Chords" up to exercise 10. "I do not like this chord". And in the technique section I am stuck in section 4E on the Bb major half combo . Although I made slow progress initially along level 4, I would spend about 10% of my time on level 4 and most of the rest of my time "filling in", starting at level 1 and working upwards - again ensuring everything was at 100% before proceeding. It was near the end of January that I completed everything prior to level 4.

Why - because I am hooked. Its like a video game, the drive to get 100% is frustrating but rewarding when you get there.

I was struggling with Arabia at first, but I found the trick with all of the ones with slightly strange rhythms is to enter practice mode and rigorously work through each section at each of the tempos in Assess Mode until you get 100%. If you feel its a fluke then I try again until I get 100% again. Once I have made 100% in all of the sections (I sometimes emit the practice of the full thing - depends whether I feel like I need to take it slowly at first - although many of the tunes are split at the none practice level as slow and normal speed) I return out of practice mode and then repeatedly run Assess until I get 100%.

The big difficult for me with Piano Marvel for everything is the rigorous tempo and lack of check on dynamics. With my piano teacher I am learning some Beethoven, and although they have now put that into Piano Marvel and chopped and minced it (after I raised a request) I find it unplayable. To get the expression I need to slow down at places and when I get out of sync thats it. So I regard Piano Marvel as something to to sit alongside my normal practice which I always try and do as much as is sensible first, before starting my Piano Marvel session.

EDIT

I also did the Hymn Sight Reading boot camp, and am currently half way through the level 5 of the Classical Music sight reading bootcamp

Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/01/18 10:49 PM

I've recently restarted Piano Marvel and I'm also on Level 3B, lesson 4. I haven't tackled Arabia yet, but I've found, like akc42 says above, that Practice Mode is always the answer. Break it down, take it slow, and you'll get there! smile

I find Piano Marvel is fantastic at improving my sight reading, and getting me to hit the right keys, but terrible at teaching how to play musically. I currently use it alongside Sound of Emotions to explore dynamics and expression.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/01/18 11:28 PM

I'm 65 years old and started with Marvel in december 2016. I'm now in level 3B and have 100% on everything, only Arabia fast not. I give up on technique because my ambition is to have fun and learn some songs. When i'm finished learning in Marvel and get the 100% I print out the songs that I like to play, and the nice ones...I have a map now and I can play whenever I feel like it and ; slow or fast and with feeling.
Another question for Akc42, When you get 100% on every part in practice mode, do you get automaticly the 100% in assess mode? I think that happend on 'Into the woods" fast. I'm also learning Beethoven Moonlight sonata, is that the song you asked for? There are a few mistakes...reading E but must play as F...and you'r right, i like to play that very slow and with a lot of emotion, impossible in Marvel, so it wil end up in my map one of the next years wink
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/02/18 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Another question for Akc42, When you get 100% on every part in practice mode, do you get automaticly the 100% in assess mode? I think that happend on 'Into the woods" fast. I'm also learning Beethoven Moonlight sonata, is that the song you asked for? There are a few mistakes...reading E but must play as F...and you'r right, i like to play that very slow and with a lot of emotion, impossible in Marvel, so it wil end up in my map one of the next years wink


The first answer is yes (I think. I normally don't go that far). But I am pretty sure that one time I did, came out into normal mode and felt cheated, so went for 100% again.

I learnt the first movement of Moonlight Sonata as the first piece when I started again in September last year before I had heard of Piano Marvel. It took me about 2 months to get it to a reasonably polished state - but only because my teacher was able to point at where I was going wrong and direct me to fix it. The Beethoven Sonata that I asked them to chop and mince was the 2nd Movement of the Pathetique symphony (Adagio Cantabile). I was exploring possible next pieces after Moonlight and came across this and just thought how beautiful the melody line was. But after a couple of weeks of trying the first few bars I was getting nowhere and put it aside and made a start on some Bach (Two Part Invention 8). At the next lesson I enquired of my teacher whether she thought I had bitten off more than I could chew with the Beethoven. She said if I worked at it hard it would eventually come - I should persevere. So I went back to it.

I normally have a lesson every two weeks - but because of Christmas the gap from that statement and my next lesson was three weeks. By that lesson I could fluently play the first 16 bars although (as in the next lesson my teacher pointed out - the peddling was wrong, leaving the sound "Muddy"), I also had almost memorized the rest, but the playing was very sloppy with lots of mistakes. We have been working on polishing since then. I can play it all the way through now at the correct speed, but I still have problem areas that I have to address, and fix (and I am sure next lesson some more issues will be pointed out to me)
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/02/18 09:36 AM

2nd Movement of the Pathetique symphony (Adagio Cantabile) is on my wishlist, glad to hear it is already minced smile I feel I would run before I can walk...but hey, time is running out on me. Teacher is nothing for me...she started with childrens songs, and clap hands en sing notes...i hated it. Now I do what i like in Marvel, en learning a lot, sometimes in one day.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/02/18 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
2nd Movement of the Pathetique symphony (Adagio Cantabile) is on my wishlist, glad to hear it is already minced smile I feel I would run before I can walk...but hey, time is running out on me. Teacher is nothing for me...she started with childrens songs, and clap hands en sing notes...i hated it. Now I do what i like in Marvel, en learning a lot, sometimes in one day.


I am at least a year older than you (67 in two months) so time isn't on my side either but ...

1) My teacher for me is essential - as I said above Piano Marvel can't help with the dynamics and expression, and to get advanced you need that aspect of playing. My teacher spends most of the time in a lesson covering that part.
2) As I said above I learnt from 5 to 10 and just scraped grade 3. I am not sure how that effected my technique, but I am not being criticised for it and it does seem to come naturally. When we first met, she talked about the Inner Game of Tennis, and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance - both books that I had read in my mid 30s - and the belief that you inner self once it becomes aware will automatically optimize your hand movements. Also that quality is built in the very depth of an activity and just can't be bolted on later as an after thought (at the time I read the book I was exploring quality in software development, but now it should be applied to piano playing). Her approach based on these two principals just jelled with me and is why I chose her. I just bought (following advice I saw on this forum) "Soprano on her Head" which is of similar style. So far she has pretty well let me decide what to learn and play, and only gets tough with me when I don't have the quality built in. In the last lesson I was having difficulty with bars 21 and 22 where there are two sets of grace notes in quick succession. She then urged my to switch off my judgemental self and let my inner self take over and I quickly got it right. This support is helping me progress tremendously. Just before Christmas I didn't think I would ever learn this Adagio Cantabile movement, but just 4 or 5 weeks later I can easily play all the notes, its all memorized, and I don't think I am far behind with the proper dynamics either.
3) Piano Marvel for me is about two things a) Improving Sight Reading and b) Playing strange rhythms in each hand to improve hand independence. The fact it is like an addictive video game just encourages me to use it a lot, but I don't think it could ever be my main tool for getting more advanced.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/02/18 12:59 PM

We clearly have different ambitions. I just want to play what I find beautiful, simple things like Brahms Lullaby, over the Rainbow and so on. I have never had training and I am sorry about that. But yes when I was young had to learn a girl's household and certainly no music, that was waste of time. frown
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/03/18 12:36 PM

Yeah I killed Arabia Fast, now on to "erie canal, low bridge", last one for me in 3B Nice song, I like it. Found a beautifull voice singing it on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HDWIXbb3sQ
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/03/18 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Yeah I killed Arabia Fast


Congratulations.

Last night I completed 4D in the method, and now tackling the first song on 4E called Sunrise. I remember this one from early in 4D in G major, here it is again transposed to F major. It was a challenge in 4D, so its going to be a challenge again.

EDIT

In G major there is an f# played by little finger of left hand. I F major thats an E, but I am automatically twisting my hand from the previous memory and keep playing Eb frown
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/04/18 09:29 AM

Finger memory is weird...finished erie canal yesterday, but verse 2 is slightly different from 1 but my fingers keep playing the 1 frase, when my eyes see something else. I have to run to catch up with you smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/12/18 08:47 PM

I'm stuck at 3C Irish jig is way to fast for me...tryed 125 times in the second speed in practice, only 85% frown Help?
Posted By: Steven Carr

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/12/18 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I'm stuck at 3C Irish jig is way to fast for me...tryed 125 times in the second speed in practice, only 85% frown Help?

Irish jig is very hard. Leave it for a bit and come back to it.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/12/18 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I'm stuck at 3C Irish jig is way to fast for me...tryed 125 times in the second speed in practice, only 85% frown Help?


Have you ever read the "Inner Game of Tennis". I talks about your ego giving you commands and your inner self just getting on with the job. The mental job is to switch your ego off - or divert it into a monitoring task the is non judgemental. This Irish Jig needs to you to divert your ego from telling you how to play, and to get it to find out what you are doing wrong.

I hate to break it to you but it gets a lot harder from here. I have (last week) completed all of level 4 (method section) at 100% and I really struggled until I found a way to let go and monitor myself. Then time slows down and you can watch you inner self landing your fingers on the correct notes.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/13/18 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Sarah65
I'm stuck at 3C Irish jig is way to fast for me...tryed 125 times in the second speed in practice, only 85% frown Help?


Have you ever read the "Inner Game of Tennis". I talks about your ego giving you commands and your inner self just getting on with the job. The mental job is to switch your ego off - or divert it into a monitoring task the is non judgemental. This Irish Jig needs to you to divert your ego from telling you how to play, and to get it to find out what you are doing wrong.

I hate to break it to you but it gets a lot harder from here. I have (last week) completed all of level 4 (method section) at 100% and I really struggled until I found a way to let go and monitor myself. Then time slows down and you can watch you inner self landing your fingers on the correct notes.

I have no ego, I'm a woman laugh Sounds interesting, but my language is not english so it will be very hard to read a whole book. I'm also an absolute beginner, read my first note at the age of 64, last year...I think I made a lot of progress since then, but now i'm feeling like I reached my limit.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/13/18 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65

I have no ego, I'm a woman laugh

I don't believe that for one moment. My wife claims no ego, but I know that is not true.

Quote
Sounds interesting, but my language is not english so it will be very hard to read a whole book.


Although reading the whole book is interesting, like all these type of books, a simple truth is then stretched into a whole book, and then into a whole series of books (I came to this via the "Inner Game of Golf", and I think by then - although the original book was "The Inner Game of Tennis" there was also an "Inner Game of Skiing" and I have recently seen a book around called the "Inner Game of Music").

The basic idea is simple. There are two parts of you. One is an authoritative figure who commands you to do things and the second is a very quiet person who simply gets on with things and with a bit of feedback will quickly fix any mistakes and automatically do the right thing. Unfortunately for most of us, it is the authoritative us that dominates. Even more so before big occasions when he also feeds you negative thoughts about how badly you are about to muck up.

The big mental trick is divert the authoritative you from getting in the way and to stop it being judgemental. Even better, if you can get it to provide feedback on how you are doing, your quiet self will use that feedback to automatically fix the problem and get better at what you are really trying to do.

The "Inner Game of Tennis" describes a game called "Bounce Hit" used to achieve this. As the ball comes towards you your task is the say "Bounce" as accurately as possible when you actually hit the ball to say "Hit" as accurately on time as possible. This simple exercise diverts that authoritative you to providing feedback - and so the theory goes you automatically get better at hitting the ball. As you get better, you go on to other things - getting the authoritative you to predict where the ball will land, or how much spin you have given it and so on. Crucially, it should be an observer, not a commander.

Of course all this is easier said than done, but when you do achieve it, its a fantastic feeling. Its called "Being in the Zone"*. I have achieved it a few times in my life - once I was playing golf and found an approach that got me into the Zone on each putting green. I could feel my fingers tingling could imagine the path the ball was going to take, and then watched as it took that path and went straight into the hole.

* There is another effect called "Being in the Zone", when you are working on a mental task with absolute concentration and no outside distractions. That is a lot easier to achieve, it normally takes about 15 minutes of concentration and then you get there. As a computer programmer, I regularly could achieve that state. Its a very similar feeling - you are outside yourself looking in.
Posted By: Steven Carr

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/13/18 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65

I have no ego, I'm a woman laugh Sounds interesting, but my language is not english so it will be very hard to read a whole book. I'm also an absolute beginner, read my first note at the age of 64, last year...I think I made a lot of progress since then, but now i'm feeling like I reached my limit.


Limits exist.

But they are only for a short time.

Limits can be broken with practice. Some practice each day and the limit will sooner or later vanish.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/18 08:42 AM

Yes Yes....I got 100% on Irish jig. Now in 3D and it seems easy, learned a lot in 3C I guess. Thank you all for the help.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/18 01:38 PM

I'm now in 5B. Practicing a piece called "De Colores" where the right hand is all thirds. I seem to have acquired a tiny blister on the tip on one of my fingers. crazy
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/18 04:04 PM

I just recently got an iPad and installed the Piano Marvel app. I'm still on a full access 30 day trial. I think I like it okay. I started at the very beginning on Feb 15th so I'm still on Level 1D and just working through the exercises until I score 100% before moving on. I try to do 4-5 exercises each night, plus work out of my Alfred's method book too. I've logged 97 minutes as of last night.

Aren't there supposed to be videos that you watch? They don't seem to work for me.

I need to learn to calm down when I do the SASR. I feel pressured and then I mess up. My score so far is only 225 and I know I can do better.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/18 06:49 PM

Something went wrong with Piano Marvel yesterday. It says I did 436,479 practice minutes yesterday. That's nearly one years (24/7) worth in one day.

GidgetKeys - some of the Lessons and also some of the exercises have videos Lesson 1D has a video showing (or rather a button to press that says "LESSON VIDEO" ) up at the top just above the list of exercises. But I am using a laptop, so it may be different to the iPad. I expect your login will work on any PC, so you if the iPad doesn't show it maybe you can look at a PC.

EDIT
Just tried that video, and it says unavailable - seems its been removed.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/24/18 04:25 PM

I completed 5B in the method section, Following "De Coleres" which I mentioned above, they introduce 4 harmony (each hand plays two "voices"). There is then a really lovely piece called "A lonely walk" that exercises that concept. I really enjoyed learning that

Then the Alberti Bass pattern is introduced and I learnt three pieces using that, including a more difficult version of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

In 5C its more or less dedicated to learning Cannon in C, and that looks like a fun journey. I just started and completed the first 9 measures, but there is along way to go.

In the technique section I am stuck on the penultimate exercise "Hannon 5". I made 99% one time, but the descending part on the left hand has fingering 5 4 5 3 4 2 3 1 and I am struggling with getting the second "5" to sound. The previous exercise was LH only, and although it took a few goes to get right I have been repeatedly able to get 100% in that, but as soon as I put both hands together - something happens to the left hand, Despite trying all sorts of tricks to do my "Inner Game of Tennis" method of observing, I can't find out (other than the obvious lack of dexterity in the left hand between 5 and 4) what is causing me to miss out the second 5 in the sequence. I am now just playing the first 4 notes (both hands) in each descending level, and the second 5 is now coming out - but I can't do it reliably yet, and the odd attempt to add even one of the second four notes in the sequence is stopping the second 5 from working. I spent about an hour last night and 3 hours today failing to do this so it time for a rest today. frown
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/24/18 07:05 PM

Took a break and then went back to Hannon #5 and cracked it. yippie

I found the secret was to emphasise arm rotation to force my fingers to hit the keys as a result of the rotation. A few minutes later I also cracked the last exercise in Techincal 5A, so can now move on to 5B.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/18 01:58 AM

So I've worked up to level 3 in the method section and it's basically still just the same stuff I've already covered in my method book but having to really concentrate on timing is really helpful.

I'm excited, though, that I've cracked 300 on the SASR. I still had 1 strike left and my wifi blinked out and it kicked me out, so I'm hopeful that next time I'll do even better!
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/18 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys

I'm excited, though, that I've cracked 300 on the SASR. I still had 1 strike left and my wifi blinked out and it kicked me out, so I'm hopeful that next time I'll do even better!


Do it regularly and you will improve. I have taken the SASR test every day since I first signed up for an account (end Nov last year), when I first started I was in the low 300s, now I am in the top end of 400 every day and pretty regularly actually get above 500. I did post on here (or maybe achievement of the day thread) when I first broke 500. Now its a regular occurence.

If you fail because of connection problems, just take the test again. It remembers the last test result in any one day (as far as I can tell, its only happened a few times - normally I forget to put my headphones on and start the test only to realise I can't hear anything)
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/26/18 08:33 AM

"Something went wrong with Piano Marvel yesterday. It says I did 436,479 practice minutes yesterday. That's nearly one years (24/7) worth in one day."


My Marvel says I did -1500246 practice minutes wink When you click on reports, you can see the actual practice time. I'm now on 2115...well done me smile I finaly got the 3C strugle done, The G major to minor ... never say never again. I take the SASR test every time I have 5 min free time...the highest score of the day stays on de graph. I panic every time something with both hands together comes up, you know parallel motion or something like that...I now downloaded it from the library and its simple in fact, no need for panic.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/06/18 10:47 PM

As I stated above Lesson 5C in the Method Section is dedicated to learn Cannon in C. This is similar but different to Pachelbel's Cannon in D.

After over a week of slowly completing all the practice sessions of the 5C Method lesson, I got everything completed to 100%. The only thing left to do was the last exercise - play the whole piece.

Last Thursday I started and it took about a day to practice that at all the slower tempii and got 100% - but then trying to do it at full tempo - no way could I get above about 95%. Then over the weekend I pushed it up to 98%, and then late Sunday evening to 99%. Trying as hard as I could on Monday I failed to get past 99%.

Then this morning with an hour to spare before my piano lesson, I decided I would try see if I could crack it before my teacher arrived (she travels to her pupils). After about three goes at 99% again, I was just about to give up and put it away until after my lesson when I scored the magic 100%.

So thats 5C completed - on to 5D
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/10/18 07:05 PM

Congratulations, that's very well done, I'm just going to look at that piece, that I never succeed I think. My experience is if you get 99% 1 time that the 100% is comming soon. I had the same thing with the boogie (12 bars Blues) that I have to play 500 times in practice mode only the first part! The 100% took off, and the last part is even more difficult, you remember, C-G-F-C and then that high C in the end . That part I have had to practise another 556 times but with the previous C because I always had the transition from C to G wrong. But I did it, about 5 minutes ago, I'm proud of myself:) I wonder if your level 6 will be go so quickly, but you had the advantage of having had all the lessons, I really started from 0 in December 2016. Success still:)
And thanks for the support I get from you, though you sometimes make me jealous. laugh
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/18 07:59 AM

Congratulations on the Boogie - I completed that at the end of January, so you are only a little way behind me. cool

I am working my way down 5D, currently stuck on "Tarentella" - got the slow one done yesterday, but it suddenly becomes much harder at speed.

One of my all time favourites was further up - called the "Russian Dance". Not particularly difficult but it really swings along. In E minor gives it that typical Russian feel. Reminds me of Cossacks dancing.

My sight reading is going backwards - the 10 day graph shows a downward trend, and yesterday I went below the 473 level for the first time in a long time. At one point yesterday I scored a 100% on a sight reading piece and got just 1 point for it cursing
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/18 09:09 AM

Yes I know, the SASR test is not always fair, sometimes I already have about 400 points after 3 songs, and sometimes I do 20 (above 80%) and I do not have 400 points yet. They may explain this point count smile I found something else in my favorites you might be happy with. An extensive collection of classic pieces in RAR. It is midi, but if you use musescore you can export those Midis to PDF and XML and you can upload them in Marvel and create your own library. Have fun with it. http://www.kuhmann.com/Yamaha.htm
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/18 06:05 PM

I haven't tried to create an Music.XML yet, but it sounds a great idea for when I get to the end of the exercises in the Method Section of Piano Marvel. I just watched a video where a music professor was talking about uploading and using all the course material for an existing course at BYU (not sure were that is - somewhere in the US I assume) in Piano Marvel. I think he uses Piano Marvel as a teacher to understand his undergraduates progress. This material is in the library, so that might be an option to get more stuff to try.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/12/18 01:56 PM

Yep, Piano Marvel is much more then method and technique. You can download entire SASR tests...and the more difficult things like Hanon and Czerny and ABRSM tests....I learned more from my personal library then from the Marvel lessons smile Get to work on it and good luck laugh
(sorry for my bad english, i have to translate a lot...i'm from Belgium, Dutch part)
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/12/18 05:44 PM

I'm curious. My 30 day trial is about to expire, and I won't be able to subscribe until I get my tax refund (which I fully intend to do). What features will I lose on the free version?
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/12/18 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I'm curious. My 30 day trial is about to expire, and I won't be able to subscribe until I get my tax refund (which I fully intend to do). What features will I lose on the free version?


Why don't you subscribe initially on a monthly basis, and then go to the full year when you get your refund?

I am sure the web site says somewhere about what is left after the 30 days expires, but I don't have it to hand right how. Something about only 10 different Sight Reading songs, not sure about the rest
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/12/18 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I'm curious. My 30 day trial is about to expire, and I won't be able to subscribe until I get my tax refund (which I fully intend to do). What features will I lose on the free version?

Here you can see it:
https://www.pianomarvel.com/users/subscribe
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/14/18 07:56 PM

I was feeling quite good about PIano Marvel today as I completed 5D in the Method Section and 5C in the technique.

BUT .. its suddenly become so slow as to be unusable.Its taking something like a minute to load a new song, or to log in. So I will give up for the rest of the day and try again tomorrow.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/18 11:28 AM

When it go's slow, reinstall the plugin and choose repair. I have to do that once a week...at least.
I hate TV (syncopation), At full speed it's impossible for me (I have a paralyzed left pinkie) Why am I doing this to myself? :p
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/18 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
When it go's slow, reinstall the plugin and choose repair.

I have a Mac, so I think I just force quit the plugin and it restarts. But I will give it a go

I did actually get back to it after an hour or so, it it appeared to working smoothly again, I am now trying to move "The Star-Spangled Banner" from 90% to 100%. I've done the slow version, so this should be straight forward to sort this out at speed. It just the last line I probably have't memorised the jumps for it yet.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/18 10:25 PM

Question: Is it useful to learn all the right hand chords as well? Or do they come only in the Marvel exercises? If those do not occur much in classical music or pop songs I do not want to put my time in learning those, its hard enough as it is smile

Succes with your 100% speed is always harder.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/16/18 12:13 AM

I would say in general Chord (and related things like broken chords etc) come more frequently in the LH, but they do happen in the right hand - often as well a chord is shared between hands.

PS = Got my 100% on The Star-Spangled Banner
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/16/18 01:03 PM

Congratulations with you 100%, I do not like those American traditionals. I am still fighting with TV (3E), it will take some time. frown
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/16/18 01:36 PM

I completed (both slow and fast) the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" today and had to use a new way of practicing, since this piece really didn't have much in the way of practicing, other than RH, then LH then all together at slow speed and all together at super fast speed (20% above required speed).

Slow speed is 60 bpm

So having managed to score 100% at slow speed, I had no real way of building up to the default tempo of 100 for the fast version (practice for that was to try and do it at 120). So I used the Player Controls, set the speed to 80 and played it until I got it pretty well correct (off tempo you don't get a score, but you can see if there any red notes after you've done as "Assess"). I then repeated at 85, then 90 and then 95, before finally resetting tempo to 100. That enabled me to get there, where as jumping straight in at 100 bpm I was getting no where (could not score above 89%)

Sarah65 if your left pinkie isn't working you will have real issues with this, the left hand is playing C -> EG (as a two note chord), B->EG, A->EG, G->EG, F->CF, A->CF and back to C->EG

I just looked back at TV (In 3E) to remind myself what it was. When I learnt from Ages 5->10 I always said that I had got stuck because I couldn't separate my hands and play different rhythms in each hand (like patting your head with one hand and drawing a circle on your chest with the other). This piece got me out of that for the first time - and I can now also pat my head and draw a circle on my chest, whereas I couldn't before.

I found the secret for me was to let the left get into steady rhythm, but hardly concentrate on it - just enough to know it was happening, and put all the energy into ensuring the right hand played the correct (slightly syncopated) tune. Hard to describe exactly, but I sort of felt my left hand was on autopilot
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/16/18 06:53 PM

I sometimes use the same way to speed up, sometimes I turn tempo slower and sometimes much faster, and then it works for the "normal fast speed" I also sometimes do left hand and right hand to play separately in the "fast" until I can get them both very well. Problem with my pink, I sometimes use (if it can) the 4th finger as a pink. But by playing a lot I am experiencing that pinkie with the chords is already very nice without having too much trouble. It is only as in "TV" always the same movement and then still move quickly from C;A;G;F back to C ... that it becomes very difficult. I am also waiting for that magical moment to move left and right independently, but that still takes a while I think. I see the rest of 3E as a mountain where I don't come across... maybe "morning mood" because I know that and can play it a bit. It is also almost time to start in the garden, and I think to much on flowers and veggies and not enough piano smile
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/17/18 12:20 PM

I have to say, I'm pretty pleased with myself. I scored a new personal best on the SASR. My best before this was 309; last night I got a 350. And it should have been better. I made a couple really stupid mistakes. You know sometimes as soon as you hit a key that it was wrong and there's nothing you can do about it.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/17/18 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I have to say, I'm pretty pleased with myself. I scored a new personal best on the SASR. My best before this was 309; last night I got a 350. And it should have been better. I made a couple really stupid mistakes. You know sometimes as soon as you hit a key that it was wrong and there's nothing you can do about it.


Congratulations - its a great feeling when you get a new high.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/17/18 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I have to say, I'm pretty pleased with myself. I scored a new personal best on the SASR. My best before this was 309; last night I got a 350. And it should have been better. I made a couple really stupid mistakes. You know sometimes as soon as you hit a key that it was wrong and there's nothing you can do about it.

I bet your mistake was not as stupid as mine... In the beginning I once had a whole song left and right hand just swapped... that's very stupid, score was 3% laugh I must have hit one note correctly. Congrats, up to 400 soon.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/26/18 02:42 PM

Still fighting with TV... what's that hard! and have you beat level 6 already akc42? smile
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/26/18 06:15 PM

Remember how I said that I hadn't got to Arabia in 3B? Well, now I have… and I've been stuck on the fast version for a few days. The slow version I can play fine. I'll get there. smile
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/26/18 06:45 PM

I finished Level 5 in the Technique section. Not the last thing that I did there, but one that took me 2 days to master was to play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in each of the 12 keys, one after the other without any errors.

After that there was a couple of exercises where you have to transpose music to a different key without seeing the music for it - that was fun.

On the Method Section I am working my way through Lesson 5E. You will see I just posted in 40 Pieces A year that I have learnt 90 pieces of music in the Method Section (from somewhere in Level 3 to where I am now) since the beginning of 2018. The last piece completed at 100% was Silver Lit Night (which I posted a link to a soundcloud version at 98% that I quickly produced a day or so later just as a demonstration - as its rather nice) which I finished on 23rd March. Since then I have been working on "Memories" which has taken a while, since I was not at home much of Saturday and today and not at the Piano much of Sunday. I'm still working on the practice sessions, about to start bar 25 (out of 37 in total), so still a little way to go. Just got in from work (one of my 3 days a month smile ) and about to start at the piano.
Posted By: dobro

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/27/18 04:10 AM

This site looks interesting. I’m going to explore it more after my video lessons and Alfred commitments are complete. I’ve read most of this thread and like the concept.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/27/18 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by TrevorM
Remember how I said that I hadn't got to Arabia in 3B? Well, now I have… and I've been stuck on the fast version for a few days. The slow version I can play fine. I'll get there. smile

Yes, eventually you get there. I had that with every piece of level three, the fast version took days to weeks... but I kept trying every day and suddenly it says 100% smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/27/18 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
I finished Level 5 in the Technique section. Not the last thing that I did there, but one that took me 2 days to master was to play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in each of the 12 keys, one after the other without any errors.
After that there was a couple of exercises where you have to transpose music to a different key without seeing the music for it - that was fun.


I will not do that, I hate "twinkle Twinkle" from the beginning, it really can't hear it anymore because it took me so long before I had the 100% (level 2 I guess). I'm not going to do technique , is too boring and too monotonous, I prefer to play songs. That "Silver Lit Night" is really a nice piece, I hope I'm ever get so far smile I always have difficulty getting back on tempo if, for whatever reason, I can't play a few days. Today we had no internet, and last night I was at 99% with TV, but I already know that tomorrow I will have to practice back the slow version before I can play again the fast one. It's a song where you learn to find your keys without looking, and that's finally very important when playing piano I think...
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/28/18 12:02 AM

cursing

I'm so frustrated right now! I went ahead and upgraded my PM account to a subscription finally. I got a confirmation email but it's not registering in my app. Sorry....just had to vent.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/28/18 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
cursing

I'm so frustrated right now! I went ahead and upgraded my PM account to a subscription finally. I got a confirmation email but it's not registering in my app. Sorry....just had to vent.

Did you try to logout...login again? Send them an email...i'm sure it will be ok smile
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/28/18 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
It's a song where you learn to find your keys without looking, and that's finally very important when playing piano I think...


On the piece I am trying to play now, "Memories", there is a small section where the left hand has to play a low D# followed by D# and octave higher along with the A# above that, twice, then Dnatural and Dnatural with A# twice, then C# with C# and A# twice, and finally Cnatural and then Cnatural with A# (once) then G#

I eventually nailed that small section (including RH) in practice at full tempo, and my hands were bouncing up and down the keyboard, and seemingly just playing the right notes without me having to look.

I have watched for sometime people playing Chopin, where the left hand on the first beat of the bar plays a low note, followed by two higher chords one after the other on the 2nd and 3rd beats, and wondered how it was done. Now with "Memories" I am beginning to see how it is done.

Of course, I am now practicing measures 17-37 (which includes this section) and am nowhere even at the slow tempo. I must stop posting on here and get back to it whistle
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/28/18 12:34 PM

Sounds very complicated, I also sometimes dread what your fingers do when you don't think about what you're actually doing, and by the scare I stop playing laugh
Why is it so much harder to find the piano keys without looking then the letters and numbers on the keyboard of the computer. I can already type blind from my 12 years, and actually that is more difficult because there are 6 rows of keys on top of each other. At piano, everything is next to each other, so you might think... hahaha not :p
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/29/18 01:10 PM

hands independence laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nNq3JqVIWk
Posted By: dobro

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/29/18 03:05 PM

That is great. Thanks.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/02/18 10:08 AM

Finally finished all of Level 5 in the Method section. I started posting the pieces into the 40 a year thread, as by my calculation I have finished 92 pieces now since the beginning of January (when I was at mid Level 3). It has taken almost 2 months of pretty intensive (around 6000 minutes of Piano Marvel time) playing to go from beginning to end in this level

I had already completed Level 5 in the Technique (see above)

The first piece in Level 6 is a Bach minuet in G minor - but the practice mode just shows the whole piece at the default tempo, so pretty useless. I have started to use the "Prepare" mode to learn the piece
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/03/18 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Finally finished all of Level 5 in the Method section. I started posting the pieces into the 40 a year thread, as by my calculation I have finished 92 pieces now since the beginning of January (when I was at mid Level 3). It has taken almost 2 months of pretty intensive (around 6000 minutes of Piano Marvel time) playing to go from beginning to end in this level

I had already completed Level 5 in the Technique (see above)

The first piece in Level 6 is a Bach minuet in G minor - but the practice mode just shows the whole piece at the default tempo, so pretty useless. I have started to use the "Prepare" mode to learn the piece

You can create your own practice mode in "upload song" from the PDF files (Marvel level 6) you create a MIDI with Photoscore and you can edit it in Musescore and save it as *. Xml. If you want to I'll try to do it for you, you have helped me a lot smile
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/03/18 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by akc42
Finally finished all of Level 5 in the Method section. I started posting the pieces into the 40 a year thread, as by my calculation I have finished 92 pieces now since the beginning of January (when I was at mid Level 3). It has taken almost 2 months of pretty intensive (around 6000 minutes of Piano Marvel time) playing to go from beginning to end in this level

I had already completed Level 5 in the Technique (see above)

The first piece in Level 6 is a Bach minuet in G minor - but the practice mode just shows the whole piece at the default tempo, so pretty useless. I have started to use the "Prepare" mode to learn the piece

You can create your own practice mode in "upload song" from the PDF files (Marvel level 6) you create a MIDI with Photoscore and you can edit it in Musescore and save it as *. Xml. If you want to I'll try to do it for you, you have helped me a lot smile


I already downloaded the full piece from Musescore (the level 6 piece is only to the first repeat) - and have uploaded into my library. So no need for you to go to the trouble. In actual fact I have been playing Hands Separate and can do both with no errors (you just don't get a very high score) and am about to go do a stint and try and put it together.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/18 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
The first piece in Level 6 is a Bach minuet in G minor - but the practice mode just shows the whole piece at the default tempo, so pretty useless. I have started to use the "Prepare" mode to learn the piece


Yeah, I had a peek at level 6 and it seems pretty devoid of any help videos. It's pretty much, "you're on you own now!" laugh
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/18 05:44 PM

"You're on You own now!" starts in Level 4. They think that most of us don't get any further, so why bother. I think level 4-5-6 is not possible without teacher in real life.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/18 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
"You're on You own now!" starts in Level 4. They think that most of us don't get any further, so why bother. I think level 4-5-6 is not possible without teacher in real life.


Hah. Ah well, I hope the PDFs are at least slightly instructive. smile

Whenever I feel I need motivation, I pull up this post from Erik BerikHerik. I wonder if he finished the course…? http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...at-400-h-on-piano-marvel-looks-like.html
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/18 10:31 PM

Actually now I've got into Method Level 6A a bit more, the first piece doesn't really need a practice mode - its the first of 7 exercises all around the same Minuet in G minor - adding ornaments (mordents, turns and trills). I currently trying to nail exercise 3, which is playing the A section with ornaments.

And my attempts to upload a song and work with it have failed. I get the first bar and nothing more. Gave up for now.

And to get me here (from the beginning) is approximately 8500 minutes - 140 hours.

And @Sarah55, although I have a teacher now, she has not been involved at all in any of my Piano Marvel activities - I do think having a teacher 56 years ago who give me the basics helps though, as does the fact that I've been keeping the Technique section going to the same level.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/05/18 03:03 AM

yippie

I finally got 100% on Arabia on the fast speed!!!!

I almost couldn't contain my excitement even as I was playing and I could recognize that every note was right. I just knew it was dumb luck and I'd never make it to the end without a mistake!

Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/05/18 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
yippie

I finally got 100% on Arabia on the fast speed!!!!

I almost couldn't contain my excitement even as I was playing and I could recognize that every note was right. I just knew it was dumb luck and I'd never make it to the end without a mistake!

Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?


Congratulations - it feels great, especially when you have been trying for a while.

I tend to move on - you will hit piece after piece if you keep going where you hover around 98%, finally hit 99% and eventually hit your 100%. I started posting my pieces to "40 Year Club" and that has meant going back and trying again - I can get close but not 100%.

There is one place where I don't move on - and that is in practice mode, where I feel the 100% was a fluke, or where I scored 100% but knew I had made an error (on the longer pieces you can make an error and still get 100%)
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/05/18 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
yippie

Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?


Congratulations, more like that to come laugh I print all the songs I had difficulty with, and from that folder I try to play something occasionally. I forget about it quickly. Like "Arabia" I've certainly played 300 times before I took the 100%, and when I try again from the folder I know nothing anymore. That is the result of my "Alzheimer light" smile
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/05/18 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I print all the songs I had difficulty with, and from that folder I try to play something occasionally.


That's a great idea, Sarah! I think I'll do that. I doubt I'd keep the pace that the app required for that particular piece, but I actually liked it better a little slower.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/05/18 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys

That's a great idea, Sarah! I think I'll do that. I doubt I'd keep the pace that the app required for that particular piece, but I actually liked it better a little slower.

I find the speed of the last pieces (at full speed) always too fast, I also prefer to play slower, otherwise my fingers pass each other smile And it feels so good to be able to read something from a sheet after barely one year, never thought I could ever.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/06/18 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys

Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?


By the time I'd 100%ed that piece, I'd had enough of it and move on right away. I tend to just move on, unless it's something I really enjoy playing and, lets be honest, most of the Piano Marvel method pieces aren't things you'd play to entertain!
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/06/18 01:57 PM

My six year old grandson had is first piano lesson with my teacher this last Tuesday. They did no more than learn the notes names (A,B ... etc) and how to find them on the keyboard and also form a nice bridged hand in the C position - with his homework being to write down in his book how to find all the notes by reference to where they were in relation to the black keys, and also to practice playing a rising scale with his hand so that whilst he is playing a note all the others remain glued to the keys. Yesterday he came over to my house and had completed the first part of his homework, so I showed him Piano Marvel and the very first exercise in the Technique Section. He played it over and over until he got 100%. It was fascinating to watch how the feeling of counting the beats slowly started to enter his brain, and then how co-ordinating his finger with the beat slowly came to him. Learning in action.

This morning I had to babysit him and his 4 year old brother, as their mother works and its the school easter holidays. I went over to his house early this morning. He had a few goes playing his scale with his other fingers glued to the keys and more or less achieved it (4th finger still a bit weak), but he then asked if he could go on to Piano Marvel again. I started him off on the second exercise, and he then continued all morning almost without stopping until he had got 100% on all exercises up to No 14. How do you get that much concentration out of a 6 year old boy? It was also clear (after I explained the concepts to him) that he was was really starting to read note lengths from looking at the music. At one point during this "playing" he called me over and pointed at a note on the screen and asked what that meant (it was a Semibrieve (whole note if you are American) - the first one he had come across).

His brother also wanted a go, but struggled to get any sensible score on the 1st exercise. However he was determined - and repeated it over an over again until he also got 100%. It probably took him 30 minutes. Again, you could watch this 4 year old beginning to pick up the beat and count. And he just wanted to stick with it. Normally his attention span is about 5 minutes with anything. Incidentally he had preciously called me upstairs to his bedroom where he has a small toy piano and proudly told me that he could find C. And he did. His brother had taught him.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/06/18 02:16 PM

Awww.... that's so wonderful! I hope you'll keep us apprised of their progress. Sounds like you have 2 budding pianists there. I think that Piano Marvel holds attention like a video game but at least it's educational. I think if I'd had these types of tools available to me when I was a kid, I wouldn't have given up so easily.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/06/18 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I think if I'd had these types of tools available to me when I was a kid, I wouldn't have given up so easily.


Me neither - I never practiced as a kid. Reading the Piano Teachers forum, I would have been thrown out long ago - but I wasn't and had lessons every week for 5 years.

Although I didn't achieve much in those 5 years (scraped a grade 3), the lasting legacy I have now from then appears to be both a fairly inbuild ability to how to actually position and play with my hands, and a strong understanding of a reasonable level of theory.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/06/18 06:34 PM

My grandchildren also all play a instrument (or two) and they are also fond of Marvel. I think it's great to teach kids that way to play piano, much more pleasant than hours of hand slap and Doremi drill and counting...
Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/06/18 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
I....... had lessons every week for 5 years.

Although I didn't achieve much in those 5 years (scraped a grade 3), the lasting legacy I have now from then appears to be both a fairly inbuild ability to how to actually position and play with my hands, and a strong understanding of a reasonable level of theory.

Don't underestimate what you learnt as a kid. I've met many lapsed adult pianists in the past few years - the vast majority of whom gave up between Grade 3 to 5 -, and it still surprises me how, when they sit down at the piano (after some gentle persuasion from me wink ) for the first time since they stopped lessons in their teens, they look like real pianists in the way they position their hands and use their fingers. Almost all of them can still read music too, and have a good level of aural skills.

It's like learning to swim or cycle - once you've achieved a certain degree of competency (especially as a kid, and was reasonably well taught), you never really lose it.

Incidentally, another thing I found was that if they've gone beyond Grade 5, they almost always go on to achieve their Grade 8. Which makes sense, as it means that they had passed Grade 5 Theory, which is all they need to do Grade 8 Practical.....and why wouldn't you, when you've got that far?
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/07/18 12:37 AM

This looks interesting:

Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/08/18 08:52 AM

Thank you GidgetKeys and good luck laugh

I can't do that, thumbs on B and D, and that's so typical Hal Leonard. Last year I tried with a teacher and she also used those books from Hal Leonard, it feels so awfully strange for me to share the middle C with your thumbs and your hands so close together, I just can't do it. Fail in the bootcamp already at level 1 laugh. And in Marvel I'm working on level 3E. Why would they want to teach that? Hands on C and G is much more logical, feels better also. Anyone have an explanation for it?
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/09/18 09:40 AM

I'm really enjoying the Hal Leonard Popular Piano Boot Camp. Went to check out the books but they seem to have a different set of songs to the ones on Piano Marvel. I think perhaps PM is using an old, out-of-print, edition of the book. Still fun, tho.

I also noticed that if you search "boot camp" in the music library, there's also a Classical Boot Camp (Levels 3-10) and Disney Boot Camp (Levels 5-7, although 7 seems to be empty).
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/10/18 06:20 AM

Finally nailed exercises 1 to 7 of Method Level 6A based on, but not the same, as Pretzold's Minuet in G minor. Its all about trills, and the exercise puts them in all the un-natural places it could find. I am trying to record the proper thing for the 40 pieces a year club, but the real trills are causing me issues.

The next set of exercises look, right now, as an impossible wall to climb. In essence it is Bach's Prelude No 1 (BWV 846) - but its played at speed and there is no practice modes at all. I have requested them from Piano Marvel, as the only way I can see of achieving this is to learn in small and slow chunks.

I've tried uploading this as my own song from Musescore so I can break it down, but I've got this weird problem (with this and with another uploaded piece of music) in that the tempo in each hand plays differently, causing them to slowly drift out of sync. Again I've e-mailed Piano Marvel about the issue, but not had any reply yet.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/10/18 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
The next set of exercises look, right now, as an impossible wall to climb. In essence it is Bach's Prelude No 1 (BWV 846) - but its played at speed and there is no practice modes at all. I have requested them from Piano Marvel, as the only way I can see of achieving this is to learn in small and slow chunks.


It looks like its available in the Library. Have you tried practicing with that one? It does seem pretty odd that they didn't make it available as chunked in the lessons themselves, though.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/10/18 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Finally nailed exercises 1 to 7 of Method Level 6A based on, but not the same, as Pretzold's Minuet in G minor. Its all about trills, and the exercise puts them in all the un-natural places it could find. I am trying to record the proper thing for the 40 pieces a year club, but the real trills are causing me issues.


Piano lesson with my teacher today - briefly discussed this and I was playing the trills wrong - trying to fit one extra note in. Apparently (according to my teacher) it depends on when in history the music was written as to what the trill symbol actually means.

So, will go back and try it again with the correct trills.

Re Prelude
Originally Posted by TrevorM
It looks like its available in the Library. Have you tried practicing with that one?

I'll go look and see. But...

Got to start a new piece with my teacher ("Cool" ABRSM grade 5 piece). Rhythm is very tricky, needs lots of counting so as to hit notes on the offbeat. Piano Marvel is going to have to take a back seat whilst I get this underway.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 02:09 AM

Well, I made it through the Level 1 boot camp in the sight reading challenge. A little disappointed with myself at only an 80%. Guess I need to work harder.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by akc42

Got to start a new piece with my teacher ("Cool" ABRSM grade 5 piece). Rhythm is very tricky, needs lots of counting so as to hit notes on the offbeat. Piano Marvel is going to have to take a back seat whilst I get this underway.


Interestingly I am actually using Piano Marvel to learn this piece. On Thursday I sat down with Musescore and entered (with the help of my piano) the entire score of Cool into it. Then I tried to load it into Piano Marvel, but for some reason it would only load the first 17 bars. So I contacted the Piano Marvel support team and explained the issue, and they looked into it, discovered some problems and redid the score for me using Finale on Windows.

Problems they fixed were
  • Grace notes are made as a very short note in a separate voice at the end of the bar before
  • Tied notes across bars have to be in the same voice in each bar
  • Separate voices in a bar can't start near the end without the correct number of rests before hand (Musescore can start a voice mid bar, but Piano Marvel shifts to the beginning of the bar)
  • The piece has an 8va sign for the last few notes, with might have been the problem which caused Piano Marvel not to load the whole piece (they deleted my last bar and re-entered it - but forgot to add the 8va - more below)


They loaded the piece up for me, but also e-mailed me back the corrected .mid and .xml file

When I checked what they had done it wasn't perfect, in that the last 4 notes didn't have the 8va sign and therefore were an octave too low and they had lost the swing time (which is a key component for the first 90% of the music, when it reverts to the standard steady beat)

So I tried correcting it with Musescore - that just managed to screw the .xml files up again so that the voicing and tied note problems mentioned above appeared in the piece

In the end, looked at the .xml file they had sent me in a text editor - worked out where the last 4 notes were and manually altered the .xml to play those notes higher. I also produced the .mid file with the correct swing in it using Musescore.

I have now loaded these revised files into Piano Marvel and then created the chopped practice sessions breaking down the piece natural 4(ish) bar sections at 60, 90 and 144 bpm and now started playing the piece in Piano Marvel!

And so far I have scored 100% on the chopped exercises for bars 1-5, 5-9, 1-9 and 10-13 at all three tempos, so well on my way!
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 01:56 PM

Wow, akc42, that sounds very technical and complicated!
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 02:48 PM

Yes it was a bit technical and complicated - but having been a computer programmer for the last 56 years (since I was 11 years old) it doesn't phase me anymore. I must say wonderful help from Piano Marvel support and a fantastic end result
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 03:02 PM

Yes, Piano Marvel does have wonderful support. I've had a few email exchanges with the support staff and the owner, Aaron Garner, and they've been very receptive, communicative, and helpful, including on an outage that happened Friday night. One of their support people told me about an amazing "undocumented" feature which has really helped me tremendously.

Do the other Piano Marvel users though notice an occasional lag at the start of the metronome? I've had the pieces get out of sync on my Windows 10 machine where the position pointer, background music, and the metronome are a fraction of a beat out-of-sync -- maybe 10% of the time. PianoMarvel did send me some beta software to try out and see if it resolves this, and having been in IT 35 years, I have an aversion to anything that is "beta", but I think I will go try it soon. (I've also sent a PM on this forum to the other PianoMarvel users on a related issue.)
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
yippie

I finally got 100% on Arabia on the fast speed!!!!

I almost couldn't contain my excitement even as I was playing and I could recognize that every note was right. I just knew it was dumb luck and I'd never make it to the end without a mistake!

Do y'all immediately move on from a piece like that, or do you repeat just to prove you can do it again?


Congratulations - it feels great, especially when you have been trying for a while.

I tend to move on - you will hit piece after piece if you keep going where you hover around 98%, finally hit 99% and eventually hit your 100%. I started posting my pieces to "40 Year Club" and that has meant going back and trying again - I can get close but not 100%.

There is one place where I don't move on - and that is in practice mode, where I feel the 100% was a fluke, or where I scored 100% but knew I had made an error (on the longer pieces you can make an error and still get 100%)


I have a self-imposed hurdle (because I'm OCD), I don't move on from a piece in the system until I am error-free two consecutive attempts. Even a single error, and my "counter" resets to zero. haha. As PianoMarvel users know, you can be 100% and still have errors. I first encountered Arabia on Wednesday. I finally was error-free twice in a row at the full speed version yesterday. Probably took 3 hrs of practicing. And I'd like to conclude with "may I never see it again" smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 03:20 PM

Has anyone found a live human teacher that uses PianoMarvel for paid "distance learning" lessons? I went to the list of PianoMarvel teachers on the website, and it seems most are inactive now.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 06:05 PM

There is a Piano Marvel group on Facebook but there doesn't seem to be much activity there and only 247 members. I also saw a Piano Marvel Teachers group which does seem to have current activity. Perhaps you could connect with a teacher there.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
There is a Piano Marvel group on Facebook but there doesn't seem to be much activity there and only 247 members. I also saw a Piano Marvel Teachers group which does seem to have current activity. Perhaps you could connect with a teacher there.


Thanks GidgetKeys. I took a quick peek at the latter Facebook page and it is clear that I'd only need to post a note there and there would be teachers offering lessons. I may do that after I get through Level 6 since even at level 6, this would be something like early intermediate I suppose.

In fact, if anyone does have any idea of what level one would be at when one finishes Piano Marvel Level 6 Method/Techniques, for example on the ABRSM or RCM scale, I'd love to know.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 08:13 PM

I think the issue of how far Piano Marvel can take you is confusing - and may be also why the teachers group is minimal

Firstly, despite what they say, PianoMarvel is good for Rhythm and Accuracy, but is useless at Dynamics and Expression. You can't introduce rubato into a piece because you would immediately drop out of sync.

So whilst it is good at motivating beginners to learn the basics and do some of the technical exercises, to actually play expressively a piece of music is not really possible. I can't remember when I did my grade 3 exactly what it was like, but what I do have is the piano books that my teacher was using at the time (about 1961). She didn't use pencil as teachers do these days, but a fountain pen with bright green ink. These books are plastered with Dynamic Markings written by her, so I am pretty certain that by the time you get to that level you are formally expected to put expression in your playing.

My guess is teachers might initially think PianoMarvel is great, but soon come to the realisation that it cannot be everything once a pupil has reached a certain level and that would be fairly early on.

On the other hand, scales arpeggios and chords - the staple of the Technique Sections - if you look at the last exercise it has scales in every key. I think that is partially grade 5 territory (although there are a few other grade 5 technical requirements like contrary motion scales).

My own experience is that I have a teacher who is teaching me to play music - I am using Piano Marvel to improve getting my fingers to do what my brain wants them to.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
...My guess is teachers might initially think PianoMarvel is great, but soon come to the realisation that it cannot be everything once a pupil has reached a certain level and that would be fairly early on.

On the other hand, scales arpeggios and chords - the staple of the Technique Sections - if you look at the last exercise it has scales in every key. I think that is partially grade 5 territory (although there are a few other grade 5 technical requirements like contrary motion scales).

My own experience is that I have a teacher who is teaching me to play music - I am using Piano Marvel to improve getting my fingers to do what my brain wants them to.


This was my sense which is why I thought long term what this system would be best for is putting up my own exercises, such as Czerny, Hanon, Bartok, etc. and playing those to develop stuff like finger independence, that doesn't require dynamics (or not much anyways). I know the Library already has some of these exercises, but I've been thinking about putting in a lot more. I think this tool could be very good at improving piano techniques (at least those that don't involve dynamics).
Posted By: dogperson

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/18 08:54 PM

I do not use Piano Marvel, but it does sound great for developing accuracy in Notes and rhythm. However, just some unsolicited advice, FWIW: Structure your piano practice where you are also heavily including developing dynamics and phrasing by playing music independent of a system.

There are many ways to develop accuracy by also using repertoire such as Bach for independence and voicing. ..... Mozart for precision, etc. No program required and you gain by also developing musicality. Weight your practice time accordingly.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/16/18 11:50 PM

I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?
Posted By: Micael K.

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/17/18 12:59 AM

I have been trying to find such software to practice sight reading but unfortunately it seems that piano marvel requires a keyboard and won't work with an acoustic. Any alternatives? So far I have been trying yousician and it looks ok but I would be curious to know about others experience.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/17/18 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?

I find everything in Marvel too fast, the full speed version then. And yes you have to move your fingers so fast that you don't actually remember what you are doing (your brains) and I think it is the intention that you play on autopilot, finger memory or whatever they call it.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/17/18 11:30 AM

Agreed! I actually did manage to get Arabia to 💯%. But I'm still stuck on that fast version of Low Bridge. It's frustrating that I can't get it. I'm close. I printed the sheet music but it's notated for 8va and for a beginner it kind of throws me off when I'm used to the app working in the lower octave.



Micael K. - I think Simply Piano and Flowkey might both work with acoustic pianos by "listening" but I don't have much experience with either so not sure if either has much in the way of a sight-reading feature.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/17/18 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?


Its only one hand!

Practice it a lot at the slower tempo - to the point were you absolutely know which note comes next and which finger you are going to play it with, in fact when you fingers start to move before you even think about it. Particularly note in the middle of measure 32 you transition from C position to A position, by playing the B with 2nd finger coming over the thumb.

In 5E you get to play the accompaniment here is my attempt

Soundcloud
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/17/18 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?

I find everything in Marvel too fast, the full speed version then. And yes you have to move your fingers so fast that you don't actually remember what you are doing (your brains) and I think it is the intention that you play on autopilot, finger memory or whatever they call it.

Yes, at those speeds it's all muscle memory it seems. Unfortunately my muscles suck at memory.

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Agreed! I actually did manage to get Arabia to 💯%. But I'm still stuck on that fast version of Low Bridge. It's frustrating that I can't get it. I'm close. I printed the sheet music but it's notated for 8va and for a beginner it kind of throws me off when I'm used to the app working in the lower octave.

After 3 days, I got Arabia to 100% too. And that was with Arabia being the only thing I would practice. Obviously it isn't hard in the grand scheme of things (haha - I've been watching too many youtube videos of Lola Astanova, Khatia Buniatishvili, and Valentina Lisitsa, etc.), but from a pedagogical perspective, it seems out of place in Level 3B. Both Arabia and Low Bridge just seem out of place in 3B among the pieces that take 5 mins to play perfectly. They make me feel that the course creators are too far removed from the time they were learning piano themselves.

In the case of Low Bridge, I got to 100% on the 2nd day of dedicated practice, but even at 100%, the best I've been able to do is 3 errors.

Also, I noticed something which is a bug. When the tempo is very fast, even if you get notes out of order but they are played close to the time they are supposed to be played, then the system will display the notes as "green" as if they were played exactly correctly! So for example, at a 130bpm tempo, if there are two eighth notes C and D, and instead you play D and C very quickly but at the right moment (like a trill), both the C and D will display as green even though clearly, out of order notes can't be correct -- at least one of C or D is wrong! This is a flaw in the system and probably results from the programmers inserting a tolerance in time since humans clearly can't play notes exactly to the millisecond when they are supposed to be played. The system probably decides each of the two notes was played close enough to the time they were supposed to be played and so it deems both to be correct, when in this case, it should be making an exception and mark one of these notes wrong.

I've just moved on from Low Bridge but fully intend to return to it daily for a few mins until I can get rid of those remaining, irritating "red" notes that pop up every time I play it! mad

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?


Its only one hand!

Practice it a lot at the slower tempo - to the point were you absolutely know which note comes next and which finger you are going to play it with, in fact when you fingers start to move before you even think about it. Particularly note in the middle of measure 32 you transition from C position to A position, by playing the B with 2nd finger coming over the thumb.

Yes, I have the C to A change wired, but I do feel slow because even not thinking about it, my fingers seem to be moving slower than I need them to. I think I will get this at 130bpm, and as mentioned, I already get to 100% with about 3 red notes after 2 days, but I'd be scared to think what it would be like if Low Bridge is sped up to 160bpm or more. I just don't think my muscles twitch fast enough to go 160bpm. In fact, maybe after work today, I will just crank up Low Bridge to 160bpm and see what measures 27-36 sound like. Scary.

Originally Posted by akc42
In 5E you get to play the accompaniment here is my attempt

Soundcloud

That is very good! I'm NOT looking forward to that. It's enough to get one hand going at 130. To try to get the other synchronized and notes syncopated, is not something I want to think about right now. crazy
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/17/18 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?


Practice it a lot at the slower tempo - to the point were you absolutely know which note comes next and which finger you are going to play it with, in fact when you fingers start to move before you even think about it. Particularly note in the middle of measure 32 you transition from C position to A position, by playing the B with 2nd finger coming over the thumb.


Yes, this. It takes a bit of effort, but you'll get there! Concentrate on playing it faultlessly at the slow tempo before attempting the full speed version.

"Thank God I've finished Arabia."
"Here's a harder piece.
… repeat for infinity. smile

Actually the first half of 3C is a fun breather. Well, until you get to Irish Jig! smirk
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/17/18 02:55 PM

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=Actually the first half of 3C is a fun breather. Well, until you get to Irish Jig! smirk

Irish Jig I did 189 practice sessions before i got 100%
Wait until you get to 3E. Boogie (12 Bar Blues) and Spinning. The previous seems easy when you start there. smile
Last week I had a conversation with an older piano teacher and I told her of my battle with Marvel to always get 100%. But my dear child She said (I'm 65), no one plays everything perfectly even the very best, why would you strive for it? She's right laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/18/18 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by TrevorM
Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I see "Arabia" in 3B Methods being called out, but does anyone else feel that 130bpm version of "Low Bridge, Everyone Down" is a bit fast for 3B? I've probably played measures 27 through 36 about 50 times to be able to get my fingers moving fast enough! Or is it only me being a snail?

Practice it a lot at the slower tempo - to the point were you absolutely know which note comes next and which finger you are going to play it with, in fact when you fingers start to move before you even think about it. Particularly note in the middle of measure 32 you transition from C position to A position, by playing the B with 2nd finger coming over the thumb.

Yes, this. It takes a bit of effort, but you'll get there! Concentrate on playing it faultlessly at the slow tempo before attempting the full speed version.


I literally have something happen at 125bpm and my rhythm breaks down. It almost feels like the drag or friction from the keys are slowing me down. I've been increasing by 1bpm at a time, from 120 to 130, but around 125, I blow out consistently. Now, as I may mentioned in my prior message, I have a few times now gotten without 3 rednotes of being completely "in the green" on Low Bridge, but it isn't stable or sustainable. I will get 100% on a playing, and then a min later, I will try again and end up with only 85%.

Originally Posted by TrevorM
"Thank God I've finished Arabia."
"Here's a harder piece.
… repeat for infinity. smile

Actually the first half of 3C is a fun breather. Well, until you get to Irish Jig! smirk


I am 5 lessons into 3C so I am approaching the Irish Jig. Just to seemingly underscore the "inconsistency" of the various lessons in Level 3, as you reference, the first 5 lessons of 3C Methods took altogether a total of 10 mins of practice/attempts to get to 100% for me, in contrast with with the 3-4 days and 2 days respectively for Arabia and Low Bridge in 3B.

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by TrevorM
Actually the first half of 3C is a fun breather. Well, until you get to Irish Jig! smirk

Irish Jig I did 189 practice sessions before i got 100%
Wait until you get to 3E. Boogie (12 Bar Blues) and Spinning. The previous seems easy when you start there. smile
Last week I had a conversation with an older piano teacher and I told her of my battle with Marvel to always get 100%. But my dear child She said (I'm 65), no one plays everything perfectly even the very best, why would you strive for it? She's right laugh

Sadly, this doesn't work for me. OCD, so I am attached to my patterns, already now I have a pattern of two consecutive repeats without red notes before I can forget the lesson. By this measure, Low Bridge is the first lesson I can't forget, so I went back today to work on it a bit more. I expect I will just keep coming back to Low Bridge like a dog to a bone, until I (perhaps through mere happenstance) am able to repeat it without any errors twice in a row... (Now, whether I will know it is really without any error is another issue, as I have discovered that the Piano Marvel tracking system breaks down for eighth notes at 130bpm, as I mentioned earlier...)
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/18/18 06:57 AM

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Sadly, this doesn't work for me. OCD, so I am attached to my patterns, already now I have a pattern of two consecutive repeats without red notes before I can forget the lesson. By this measure, Low Bridge is the first lesson I can't forget, so I went back today to work on it a bit more. I expect I will just keep coming back to Low Bridge like a dog to a bone, until I (perhaps through mere happenstance) am able to repeat it without any errors twice in a row... (Now, whether I will know it is really without any error is another issue, as I have discovered that the Piano Marvel tracking system breaks down for eighth notes at 130bpm, as I mentioned earlier...)


I am also an OCD person, but I have to do concessions or it is no longer pleasant, and that is the intention of music and piano learning? I've already learned myself from after level 3 to stop taking a golden piano (100%) in the closet every time laugh And some pieces are downright ugly and not at all fine to play, why should I do that?
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/18/18 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone

I literally have something happen at 125bpm and my rhythm breaks down. It almost feels like the drag or friction from the keys are slowing me down. I've been increasing by 1bpm at a time, from 120 to 130, but around 125, I blow out consistently. Now, as I may mentioned in my prior message, I have a few times now gotten without 3 rednotes of being completely "in the green" on Low Bridge, but it isn't stable or sustainable. I will get 100% on a playing, and then a min later, I will try again and end up with only 85%.


This sounds a bit like tension to me. Have you tried playing very lightly on the keys for the melody - almost floating above them.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/18/18 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by akc42

This sounds a bit like tension to me. Have you tried playing very lightly on the keys for the melody - almost floating above them.



This what I was thinking. I'm currently also taking swimming lessons and working on my backstroke. I hit a bit of a brick wall and was getting frustrated. My teacher commented on how I seemed too rigid, and that I needed to relax and let go a bit. As soon as I was able to trust that I wasn't going to just sink, and soften my shoulders and neck, the whole process became a lot easier. I was able to swim more fluidly, and faster, them when my body was actively trying to swim through brute force. I realised that this was the exact same process needed to attempt to play piano pieces faster. Take a breath, let go, and not think about the mechanics too much! smile

Again, this is all way easier if you've got the notes under your fingers at a slower speed first.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/19/18 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I am also an OCD person, but I have to do concessions or it is no longer pleasant, and that is the intention of music and piano learning? I've already learned myself from after level 3 to stop taking a golden piano (100%) in the closet every time laugh And some pieces are downright ugly and not at all fine to play, why should I do that?

I celebrate those similarly afflicted who are able to break patterns. I really have trouble doing it and when people call me out for it, I start "hiding behavior". For example, when my wife notices any OCD behavior on my part, she'll snap out, "Cut out that OCD stuff!" blush And then I have to be secretive about my patterns. haha... Well, I may only have been playing Piano Marvel for two months, but getting starred pianos is now a deeply engrained pattern already!

Originally Posted by akc42
This sounds a bit like tension to me. Have you tried playing very lightly on the keys for the melody - almost floating above them.

Originally Posted by TrevorM
This what I was thinking. I'm currently also taking swimming lessons and working on my backstroke. I hit a bit of a brick wall and was getting frustrated. My teacher commented on how I seemed too rigid, and that I needed to relax and let go a bit. As soon as I was able to trust that I wasn't going to just sink, and soften my shoulders and neck, the whole process became a lot easier. I was able to swim more fluidly, and faster, them when my body was actively trying to swim through brute force. I realised that this was the exact same process needed to attempt to play piano pieces faster. Take a breath, let go, and not think about the mechanics too much! smile

Again, this is all way easier if you've got the notes under your fingers at a slower speed first.

Thanks for this observation. I was consciously trying to be relaxed in fingers, hands, and wrists when I am playing to avoid what Graham Fitch called in one of his youtube videos "piston fingers". But now that both of you have called this out, I realize I might still be maintaining tension even as I consciously am trying to relax to the point of some limpness. Because actually, this is probably the only explanation for what is slowing me down. I'm going to watch more youtube videos on this and see if I can find some exercises I can try which will help train me to reduce tension.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/19/18 01:34 PM

I just wanted to join in on the conversation. I have a real love/hate relationship with the PM software but when they get it right it works extremely well for me.

I was shocked to see that they've added the upload feature. This would probably help me more than anything. I'd love to be one of those open minded people who likes all music but that's never going to happen. I can practice something I like, even a little, until I get it. Is anyone up for a conversation about the upload? I tried MuseScore but it looks like they did away with the .xml export. I never did get it to work, though I did produce some results that were comical. I got closer with Finale, but had a LOT of issues. It seems to be working after a reboot but I'm not sure why. Is anyone familiar with the upload?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/19/18 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Is anyone up for a conversation about the upload?

I'm having a related conversation with others about the upload feature. I'll shoot you a PM about it.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/19/18 02:26 PM

You made my day. To each his own but I've found the official support a 'bit' lacking.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/19/18 02:59 PM

Talking of support. I notice that there's a new "request minced" button pieces that don't have a complete practice mode. I requested three and one was done the same day.

An aside: Met with a new piano teacher today so after next week I'll probably be spending more time on other pieces. I still plan to stick with PM, though, as it's great sight reading practice.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/19/18 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by TrevorM
Talking of support. I notice that there's a new "request minced" button pieces that don't have a complete practice mode. I requested three and one was done the same day.

An aside: Met with a new piano teacher today so after next week I'll probably be spending more time on other pieces. I still plan to stick with PM, though, as it's great sight reading practice.

Whoehoee...They have a live chat now laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/19/18 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Whoehoee...They have a live chat now laugh


Piano Marvel has live chat? I must be missing it -- where is the live chat button appearing on the page(s)?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/20/18 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Whoehoee...They have a live chat now laugh


Piano Marvel has live chat? I must be missing it -- where is the live chat button appearing on the page(s)?

On the first page before you login...but it is gone now...mayby they were just testing.
Now they are online again 20/04 at 19.16h
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/20/18 01:22 PM

Ik ga ook eens in mijn moedertaal posten, dan weten jullie even hoe moeilijk het voor mij is om overal op te antwoorden. En zeker al die muziektermen zijn nergens te vinden in een vertaal programma. Ik hoop dat jullie copy/paste onder de knie hebben en een goed vertaalprogramma laugh LOL Benieuwd wie het lukt van de vrienden hier. Waarom wordt iedereen altijd verondersteld om Engels te kunnen lezen en schrijven? Akkoord het is een wereldtaal, maar daarom is het nog niet vanzelfsprekend. Het is bijna even moeilijk als 100% halen op Arabia wink
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/20/18 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Ik ga ook eens in mijn moedertaal posten, dan weten jullie even hoe moeilijk het voor mij is om overal op te antwoorden. En zeker al die muziektermen zijn nergens te vinden in een vertaal programma. Ik hoop dat jullie copy/paste onder de knie hebben en een goed vertaalprogramma laugh LOL Benieuwd wie het lukt van de vrienden hier. Waarom wordt iedereen altijd verondersteld om Engels te kunnen lezen en schrijven? Akkoord het is een wereldtaal, maar daarom is het nog niet vanzelfsprekend. Het is bijna even moeilijk als 100% halen op Arabia wink


I think it must be brutally hard, and I applaud your effort. I've done a lot of international work and it always embarrassed me that no one on my team(s) would even bother to say hello in another language.

(Sorry, but learning to read music is hard enough for me. I doubt I will ever learn Dutch!)
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/20/18 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Ik ga ook eens in mijn moedertaal posten, dan weten jullie even hoe moeilijk het voor mij is om overal op te antwoorden. En zeker al die muziektermen zijn nergens te vinden in een vertaal programma. Ik hoop dat jullie copy/paste onder de knie hebben en een goed vertaalprogramma laugh LOL Benieuwd wie het lukt van de vrienden hier. Waarom wordt iedereen altijd verondersteld om Engels te kunnen lezen en schrijven? Akkoord het is een wereldtaal, maar daarom is het nog niet vanzelfsprekend. Het is bijna even moeilijk als 100% halen op Arabia wink


I went straight to Google

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I am also going to post in my mother tongue, then you know how difficult it is for me to answer everything. And certainly all those musical terms are nowhere to be found in a translation program. I hope you have mastered copy / paste and a good translation program laugh LOL Wondering who will succeed the friends here. Why is everyone always supposed to be able to read and write English? Agree it is a world language, but that is why it is not self-evident. It is almost as difficult as getting 100% on Arabia
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/20/18 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I've done a lot of international work and it always embarrassed me that no one on my team(s) would even bother to say hello in another language.


Between about 1998 and 2009, I had a role as an international evangelist for our company related to the IT needed to enable competition in Electricity markets. I spent a lot of time in the Netherlands (as well as time in Belgium, Germany, France, Czech Republic, Portugal and Norway). Never once did I have to seriously speak in any language other than English. The biggest impression that hit me was in the Netherlands when I walked in to a meeting of about 20 Dutch Nationals and myself. As I walked in they were all speaking in Dutch and as soon as they were aware of my presence the entire meeting switched to English, just because I was there.

I did have some very basic French and German, but other than say hello I never needed it for communication. I quite frequently had to listen to a long discussion in the native, and I could only very partially follow it.

I often wondered what it was like for others to speak another language, but it now looks at my age I never will find that out. I do know from Dutch friends that even though everyone speaks English, the use of it the entire day is very tiring.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/20/18 03:49 PM

Quote

I often wondered what it was like for others to speak another language, but it now looks at my age I never will find that out. I do know from Dutch friends that even though everyone speaks English, the use of it the entire day is very tiring.


thumb I'm very tired indeed smile No translation this time.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/20/18 04:02 PM

Sarah - Gelukkig voor Google-vertalers. Ik was nooit goed met talen. Ik wou dat ik het beter kon doen. Ik heb een vriend die ongeveer een jaar geleden naar Nederland is verhuisd. Met Kerstmis heb ik gezocht hoe ze Merry Christmas in het Nederlands konden wensen.

Hoe ging het met de vertaler? smile
Posted By: cmb13

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/20/18 04:12 PM

Holy cow! Can't believe how easy it is to plug a random language into google translator and get a good translation now. I think the Tower of Babel is losing it's relevance; we need to find another way to confuse one another!
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/20/18 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Sarah - Gelukkig voor Google-vertalers. Ik was nooit goed met talen. Ik wou dat ik het beter kon doen. Ik heb een vriend die ongeveer een jaar geleden naar Nederland is verhuisd. Met Kerstmis heb ik gezocht hoe ze Merry Christmas in het Nederlands konden wensen.
Hoe ging het met de vertaler? smile

Nice laugh


Originally Posted by cmb13
Holy cow! Can't believe how easy it is to plug a random language into google translator and get a good translation now. I think the Tower of Babel is losing it's relevance; we need to find another way to confuse one another!

Some things are not translating, the feeling you have at a nice piece of piano music is one of many... Confusion enough when you try to learn piano:)
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Ik ga ook eens in mijn moedertaal posten, dan weten jullie even hoe moeilijk het voor mij is om overal op te antwoorden. En zeker al die muziektermen zijn nergens te vinden in een vertaal programma. Ik hoop dat jullie copy/paste onder de knie hebben en een goed vertaalprogramma laugh LOL Benieuwd wie het lukt van de vrienden hier. Waarom wordt iedereen altijd verondersteld om Engels te kunnen lezen en schrijven? Akkoord het is een wereldtaal, maar daarom is het nog niet vanzelfsprekend. Het is bijna even moeilijk als 100% halen op Arabia wink

I'm still firmly of the opinion that Low Bridge is much harder than Arabia! (and Irish Jig... not done with that one, but could still see myself done with it today)

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
...it always embarrassed me that no one on my team(s) would even bother to say hello in another language.

你好! (Hello!)

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
(Sorry, but learning to read music is hard enough for me. I doubt I will ever learn Dutch!)

My wife has been learning Dutch because we have a 2nd home in Amsterdam that she prefers. She's gotten quite good at it as her 6th language, but as she says, there are all sorts of cultural nuances in the language that go over her head. In fact, now to obtain residency in the Netherlands, because of the large number of immigrants and worries they are not "integrating", the Dutch authorities have introduced a new cultural test, the inburgeringscursus, and some of the questions (not even answers) make no sense at all to non-Dutch. Real question from the inburgeringscursus (translated): "Henk introduces his wife to his neighbor and says: 'Mark! This is my wife, Petra.' Answer choices: A. True B. False." I think this question must give great insight into the Dutch culture ... only I don't know what that is! laugh And in fact, since my wife is pushing on me to give up the rat race here in the US and join her in Amsterdam permanently, I've told her that I won't move to Amsterdam until I understand this question! laugh

Originally Posted by akc42
Between about 1998 and 2009, I had a role as an international evangelist for our company related to the IT needed to enable competition in Electricity markets. I spent a lot of time in the Netherlands (as well as time in Belgium, Germany, France, Czech Republic, Portugal and Norway). Never once did I have to seriously speak in any language other than English. The biggest impression that hit me was in the Netherlands when I walked in to a meeting of about 20 Dutch Nationals and myself. As I walked in they were all speaking in Dutch and as soon as they were aware of my presence the entire meeting switched to English, just because I was there.

I did have some very basic French and German, but other than say hello I never needed it for communication. I quite frequently had to listen to a long discussion in the native, and I could only very partially follow it.

I often wondered what it was like for others to speak another language, but it now looks at my age I never will find that out. I do know from Dutch friends that even though everyone speaks English, the use of it the entire day is very tiring.

I think speaking a foreign language for a long period of time can tire anyone, not only the Dutch. My wife is not a native English speaker. While I'm not either, for her English was her 3rd language. Twenty years ago, a few months after we met, I recall vividly being in a taxi with her and having her throw up her hands and shout at me "Too much English", push me away, and then refusing to speak anything except for her native language the rest of the day! I've teased her about that every once in a while since. And expect to again when she goes to her convocation at the Uni of Manchester this May where she wrote an entire PhD dissertation in English -- she's come a long way (with English) since that taxi 20 years ago.

Originally Posted by cmb13
Holy cow! Can't believe how easy it is to plug a random language into google translator and get a good translation now. I think the Tower of Babel is losing it's relevance; we need to find another way to confuse one another!

Have you tried any asian languages, by chance? Say Chinese?

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Some things are not translating, the feeling you have at a nice piece of piano music is one of many... Confusion enough when you try to learn piano:)

One of the things I love in foreign languages is to find words or phrases that have no direct translation. For example, in my native language is the word "撒娇" which is pronounced "sajiao", and it has a specific meaning: in traditional gender play, where a feminine gesture is made to exploit the other party's bonds of affection/fondness, including such devices as pouting, playfully slapping a shoulder, whining melodiously, or storming off during a date. And, now, if your significant other does this to you, you'll know what to call them! wink For my Skype login, I chose an untranslatable Russian word which refers to the sensation of great spiritual anguish without any specific cause. Some words can fit other cultures almost better than they fit themselves. Coming out of my native culture, even though we don't have such a word, I know exactly what plaatsvervangende schaamte is for example, as I feel it once or twice every day! laugh That said, in the case of the feeling about a nice piece of music you refer to, I don't think it need language translation -- that feeling is probably universal! smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 08:02 AM

You lost me...too much English :p
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
You lost me...too much English :p

I'm feeling plaatsvervangende schaamte! eek ha
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 12:30 PM

Actually, it's a forum about piano here. We wander very far away from the subject. smile But I have to admit that it was long ago that I had so much fun with people I absolutely don't know. It must have been in the 1980s, my first acquaintance with the online happening, a modem and talking to strangers on MIRC chat. Who still recalls the sound of the modem? And keep an eye on the clock because you paid at that time per minute that you were online. Our generation is privileged to be part of this evolution I think....
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 12:45 PM

Uh oh. I feel like Sarah65 just showed a yellow card for thread hijacking! wink

Then back to the Piano Marvel topic. I'm feeling like there are some gaps in the lessons - pedagogical gaps. For example, I just had tech support teaching me about triplet notes and notation associated with this. But shouldn't the lessons itself do that? Shouldn't we have a video where Aaron Garner explains to us about triplets before they appear in the score in an exercise? Have others noticed similar pedagogical gaps?

As a (musical) aside, is it really true that triplet notes don't need a "3" near the beam and simply have to appear in a group of three under a single beam to be considered a triplet? Because if so, then why doesn't this apply to a group of 3 notes under a single beam in 6/8 measures - those seem to be able to quietly remain eighth notes, and not triplets? (Or is this an arcane question about musical notation that should go elsewhere? smile )

Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
I'm feeling like there are some gaps in the lessons - pedagogical gaps. For example, I just had tech support teaching me about triplet notes and notation associated with this. But shouldn't the lessons itself do that? Shouldn't we have a video where Aaron Garner explains to us about triplets before they appear in the score in an exercise? Have others noticed similar pedagogical gaps?



Yeah, this is something I just gave up on. Sometimes I'll be cruising along thinking that just maybe I'm getting it and then the next exercise crushes me. I'm never going to know whether this is intentional or not so I just try to suck it up and figure it out. I don't have a problem with "it's time for you to start figuring things out on your own" so I try to assume that's what's happening. Sometimes I have to remind myself just how little I'm paying for something that helps me enormously.

(I'm overdue for getting another teacher. That's what's really missing for me. My teacher died and I really dread finding another one.)
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Uh oh. I feel like Sarah65 just showed a yellow card for thread hijacking! wink

Nono, i said I'm having fun laugh


About Marvel, I said it before, after level 3 you have to figure it out youself. frown And I give up on the technique in level 3 its to hard for beginners, and none explanation or howto.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 02:40 PM

Well.. but is PM intended to completely replace a more traditional learning path? I can't afford a teacher right now but this paired with a method book I think works adequately for now, but I don't think I'd rely solely on PM.
Posted By: ebonykawai

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 04:07 PM

I'm thinking of giving this a try, it sure sounds interesting! Can anyone help me with the set-up, what exactly do you need? I'd like to use my ipad. Any help, links on Amazon to what I need to make this work with my instrument would be greatly appreciated! I have a Clavinova with both Midi and USB. Help? Thank you!!
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 04:45 PM

I'm on Windows but all I needed was a USB cable to my PC. I expected a half a day of computer futzing and was glad to be completely wrong.
Posted By: ebonykawai

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 05:05 PM

I think I might need a lightning to USB connector for the ipad, but just want to make certain before I buy one. smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I'm thinking of giving this a try, it sure sounds interesting! Can anyone help me with the set-up, what exactly do you need? I'd like to use my ipad. Any help, links on Amazon to what I need to make this work with my instrument would be greatly appreciated! I have a Clavinova with both Midi and USB. Help? Thank you!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8p0eECgos
Posted By: ebonykawai

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 08:06 PM

Thank you! I had no problem connecting to my laptop and it worked great! This is SO COOL!! For the ipad, I just need a lightning to USB jumper, so that's easy! Thanks, everyone, this is another good tool to use!
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/21/18 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Well.. but is PM intended to completely replace a more traditional learning path? I can't afford a teacher right now but this paired with a method book I think works adequately for now, but I don't think I'd rely solely on PM.


I've said it before, but I will repeat it again - No Piano Marvel can not completely replace a traditional path. Its very good helping with accuracy and rhythm, but music is more than that, you need to have dynamics and expression and Piano Marvel can't help with that.

Nevertheless its a tremendous help. A couple of weeks ago I started to learn a ABRSM Grade 5 piece called "Cool". Its very Jazz like with a swing beat and lots of phrases starting half a beat off. After my first lesson with my piano teacher I was struggling with just the feel of this strange rhythm. Last week I uploaded it into Piano Marvel and have been trying to learn it. I split it into practice sessions of a about 4 or 5 measures long, and today I almost finished running through all the practice sessions and nailing 100% at 75, 100 and 144 bpm (still the last few bars to go). I can now play the whole piece from memory without piano marvel running and with a good sense of beat ready for my lesson next Tuesday.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/22/18 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Yeah, this is something I just gave up on. Sometimes I'll be cruising along thinking that just maybe I'm getting it and then the next exercise crushes me. I'm never going to know whether this is intentional or not so I just try to suck it up and figure it out.


I just think it is uneven. Sometimes there are videos for the tritest little things. Like a video to essentially show how to switch a single finger on a key. Then you encounter a piece like Technique 3C#13 "Amazing Grace" where there clearly are multiple finger changes since one doesn't have 7 fingers on a hand laugh and there is only one note numbered and no video -- we know therefore know to start the right hand with the thumb. Great - fingering solved! laugh This is the annoying thing: it seems the instructors are so far beyond beginners that they don't even notice the issues, because presumably if they noticed, they would consider a video or note or something.

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Uh oh. I feel like Sarah65 just showed a yellow card for thread hijacking! wink

Nono, i said I'm having fun laugh


Me too.

Originally Posted by Sarah65
About Marvel, I said it before, after level 3 you have to figure it out youself. frown And I give up on the technique in level 3 its to hard for beginners, and none explanation or howto.


So far, with the exception of Arabia, Low Bridge, and Irish Jig under "Method", I feel all of the hardest lessons have been in "Technique" -- since at least 2D or so. But because I'm OCD, I've put my bull horns down and am plowing anyways...
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/22/18 04:32 PM

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So far, with the exception of Arabia, Low Bridge, and Irish Jig under "Method", I feel all of the hardest lessons have been in "Technique" -- since at least 2D or so. But because I'm OCD, I've put my bull horns down and am plowing anyways...

I think your OCD is going to lose from Marvel. Unless of course you are going to play day and night, but I think that eventually your piano flies through the window. Too bad right? Let us have fun and put that OCD aside:)
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/23/18 08:30 AM

Where I get the most to worse in Marvel is the library. I want to arrange everything neatly, first exercises, Level 1, Level 2 and so on, then Albert's 1-2-3... then songs from the library, then my own songs. I drag me drowsy until everything is in the right order and is uncluttered, and next time when I open Marvel it's a mess again... again half an hour dragging and dropping, grrrrrrrrrr I hate it. And that's something my OCD can't release because it just needs to be able and all that needs to stay as I want it. Have already complained about Marvel but so far still no improvement.
Am I the only one, and is the library okay for the rest of you?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/23/18 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Where I get the most to worse in Marvel is the library. I want to arrange everything neatly, first exercises, Level 1, Level 2 and so on, then Albert's 1-2-3... then songs from the library, then my own songs. I drag me drowsy until everything is in the right order and is uncluttered, and next time when I open Marvel it's a mess again... again half an hour dragging and dropping, grrrrrrrrrr I hate it. And that's something my OCD can't release because it just needs to be able and all that needs to stay as I want it. Have already complained about Marvel but so far still no improvement.
Am I the only one, and is the library okay for the rest of you?

I hesitate to say this because it really sounds ill laugh but my library is small an tidy since as soon as I get all starred-pianos for minced, chopped, and whole, I delete the song from my library! Haha... (And you may ask, what if you like a song and want to play it again? uhhhhh.... I haven't gotten that far! laugh )
Posted By: ebonykawai

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/23/18 09:03 PM

I got my connector today and my ipad is working fine with the app! I have a question, though. Does everyone have to start at the very beginning and make their way through, or can you choose the level you're already at and go from there? How would I start at level 3 lessons?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/23/18 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by ebonykawai
Does everyone have to start at the very beginning and make their way through, or can you choose the level you're already at and go from there? How would I start at level 3 lessons?

Just go to Method, and click on the 3A lesson and choose the first of the 20 lessons in 3A. You can do the same for Technique. (If you only have a trial account, I don't know how you would do it in the trial.)
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/23/18 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Originally Posted by ebonykawai
Does everyone have to start at the very beginning and make their way through, or can you choose the level you're already at and go from there? How would I start at level 3 lessons?

Just go to Method, and click on the 3A lesson and choose the first of the 20 lessons in 3A. You can do the same for Technique. (If you only have a trial account, I don't know how you would do it in the trial.)


I did precisely that - although I initially started level 4 (in trial mode), decided it was a bit hard straight off, starting working through level 3. Each day I would try some time at level 3 and also went and started at level 1, working though the exercises there. Before long I had essentially backfilled all the lower levels. Nothing much changed when the trial almost ended and I decided to purchase my subscription. I just carried on - all my scores etc were intact.
Posted By: ebonykawai

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 01:03 AM

I couldn't figure out where to click to choose the different levels! I wonder if the ipad app is different, I'll try it on my laptop and let you know if I was smart enough to figure it out, lol. Sometimes I'm a dummy. 😆
Posted By: ebonykawai

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 01:09 AM

I did it, I had no idea you could click on the trophies, LOL! They show up a lot smaller on the ipad. 👍😊 Thanks!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I did it, I had no idea you could click on the trophies, LOL! They show up a lot smaller on the ipad. 👍😊 Thanks!

There are a number of things which I'd consider features that I didn't see documented anywhere. For example, tech support told me about the following:

If you want to play only a few bars of music to practice (say you are having trouble with a fingering transition in bars 6 & 7) you can go to the view of the score in a lesson with nothing playing, and then highlight just bars 6 & 7. Then when you click the assess button, it will start the music and assessment from bar 6 and stop at the last note you had highlighted in bar 7. To clear the highlight, just click anywhere on the score. This is the equivalent of your own "custom slicing."
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone


If you want to play only a few bars of music to practice (say you are having trouble with a fingering transition in bars 6 & 7) you can go to the view of the score in a lesson with nothing playing, and then highlight just bars 6 & 7. Then when you click the assess button, it will start the music and assessment from bar 6 and stop at the last note you had highlighted in bar 7. To clear the highlight, just click anywhere on the score. This is the equivalent of your own "custom slicing."


On the iPad this is done through the "play controls" at the bottom right of the screen. You can also control the speed, metronome and level of accompaniment.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 06:31 AM

Reading about play controls - here is an observation that I had. I am learning a piece with complicated rhythms and getting good scores with Assess on Piano Marvel, but it wasn't translating to being able to play it without Piano Marvel. Then I realised hearing the accompaniment whilst playing was bringing my fingers into sync with it. I turned the accompaniment off and my scores dropped drastically, but a bit of perseverance brought them back up. Now I can play the piece independently of Piano Marvel and it still sounds correct
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 07:54 AM

Quote

If you want to play only a few bars of music to practice (say you are having trouble with a fingering transition in bars 6 & 7) you can go to the view of the score in a lesson with nothing playing, and then highlight just bars 6 & 7. Then when you click the assess button, it will start the music and assessment from bar 6 and stop at the last note you had highlighted in bar 7. To clear the highlight, just click anywhere on the score. This is the equivalent of your own "custom slicing."

The highlighting is something that I do not succeed, I usually go to play control and give in measure 6 to measure 8. A lot of hassle but selecting the other way is not possible. Can someone explain exactly what to do with the mouse and how and where to click?
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote

If you want to play only a few bars of music to practice (say you are having trouble with a fingering transition in bars 6 & 7) you can go to the view of the score in a lesson with nothing playing, and then highlight just bars 6 & 7. Then when you click the assess button, it will start the music and assessment from bar 6 and stop at the last note you had highlighted in bar 7. To clear the highlight, just click anywhere on the score. This is the equivalent of your own "custom slicing."

The highlighting is something that I do not succeed, I usually go to play control and give in measure 6 to measure 8. A lot of hassle but selecting the other way is not possible. Can someone explain exactly what to do with the mouse and how and where to click?


They have a video somewhere that shows how to do it. If you needed to practice half of measure 6 and all of measure 7 you would left click the note you want to start on (measure 6), then move the pointer to the end of measure 7 while holding the left mouse button down. Then you release the button and you're set. I had some trouble with this technique. It seemed to randomly work or fail. But it was me. While you are holding the mouse button and moving the pointer you are highlighting sections of the score. I found that I had to have the pointer within the highlighted section when I release the button or it wouldn't work.

I should probably try to record the process. That's the best I can do using words and I'm not 100% sure I would understand it if I were the one reading it!
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Can someone explain exactly what to do with the mouse and how and where to click?


Find a place on the score where you want to start a selection (just before the first note). On the top stave press AND HOLD the mouse button down and with the mouse button down move the mouse to the bottom stave just after where you want the selection to stop.

I do this on a Macbook with a touch pad, so for me its pressing the touch pad. I can also scroll with the MAC scroll action on the track pad (two fingers together and slide up and down) and hold the trackpad down if I want to select a section several lines long, but that is quite tricky. In this case I use both hands and scroll with the left and do the selection with the right.
Posted By: NobleHouse

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 12:51 PM

Is it possible doing Piano Marvel with an acoustic piano? I looked on their website, but only saw info for midi connections.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Can someone explain exactly what to do with the mouse and how and where to click?


Find a place on the score where you want to start a selection (just before the first note). On the top stave press AND HOLD the mouse button down and with the mouse button down move the mouse to the bottom stave just after where you want the selection to stop.


Here's their video instruction. I'm not sure it works on the iPad version yet, though:

Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 03:01 PM

Noblehouse - Not really, not to have the full experience, but there are other apps that have a "listening" capability that you might want to check out. I don't have any experience with them so I don't know how they compare but maybe try Simply Piano by Joytunes, or Flowkey.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
If you needed to practice half of measure 6 and all of measure 7 you would left click the note you want to start on (measure 6), ...

That's interesting. I didn't know clicking on a note at the beginning of a section to highlight would work. I've been doing it more like akc42 mentions, by clicking and holding the left button on the staff before the first note in the selection you want. I've never tried clicking on a first note itself.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
If you needed to practice half of measure 6 and all of measure 7 you would left click the note you want to start on (measure 6), ...

That's interesting. I didn't know clicking on a note at the beginning of a section to highlight would work. I've been doing it more like akc42 mentions, by clicking and holding the left button on the staff before the first note in the selection you want. I've never tried clicking on a first note itself.


I like the way he said it better. I think all that really matters is that you somehow highlight everything you want to include. (I have no idea if this works on Apple systems.)

Once I finally figured out what I was doing wrong I found this feature tremendously helpful. Now all kidding aside, I will never be good at this. I do it because I think that if you aren't doing anything difficult enough to make you feel stupid, you're just asking for mental deterioration. I have little to no proof, it's just my opinion as a neogeriatric. Anyway, every now and then I'll get to something where I can do the minced exercises but my fingers won't cooperate when you put a couple of them together - there's a minced 5-6 and a minced 7-8 but when I try to do the whole song I get hung up going from measure 6 - 7. When that happens I can create the equivalent of a custom mince with very little effort by using the highlighting trick.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 04:57 PM

Yes, thank you guys, I got it through. When I right click and drag disappears the piece I selected. When I left click and drag the piece I selected remains the only one standing. I was always right/left clicking and that doesn't work laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Anyway, every now and then I'll get to something where I can do the minced exercises but my fingers won't cooperate when you put a couple of them together - there's a minced 5-6 and a minced 7-8 but when I try to do the whole song I get hung up going from measure 6 - 7. When that happens I can create the equivalent of a custom mince with very little effort by using the highlighting trick.

You know, until I was in Level 3, I didn't even know about this trick. I would exactly get stuck with the same type of transitions you would talk about where I would wire the segments based on practicing minces, but then couldn't make the transition between one segment and another. I would sometimes fail like 20 times in a row! And in some cases, there might be 20 measures before the problematic transition! So I'd spend an hour playing stuff I wired only to get to the point of failure. So I complained to tech support about this and asked for custom minces, which is when they told me that, hey, do it this way. As I said, I think their documentation leaves something to be desired.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 10:16 PM

OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/18 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by TrevorM
OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.


All I can say is, thank goodness I managed to get 100% twice in a row in just two days, or else I would be still jigging now. I recorded mine for my wife and she said it doesn't even sound anything like a real Irish Jig. I decided that might be the piano so I switched in a fiddle on my recorded MIDI file, and darn it if it still doesn't sound anything like an Irish Jig! I seem to have spent all that time learning something which is even bogus!
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/18 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by TrevorM
OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.

And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it. I have not touched a piano anymore for 14 days, guilt of Marvel and also the fact that I had a lot of work in the garden laugh
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/18 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65

And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it.


You need to practice the jumps, so they come second nature. Just practice one jump at a time. Play the first chord, jump as fast as you can move your hand to the second chord but hold you hand over the note, check it is in the correct place and ONLY if it is in the correct place play the chord. Repeat until (without looking at your hands whilst moving - you need to to do the check) you are always in the correct place. Then practice more, playing the first chord and then the second in time (always moving between the chords as fast as you can, just not playing until the correct beat) again without looking at your hands. If you get any wrong - go back to checking you are in the correct place.

I think you will quickly master it then.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/18 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by TrevorM
OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.

And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it. I have not touched a piano anymore for 14 days, guilt of Marvel and also the fact that I had a lot of work in the garden laugh


I'm not too worried about it getting harder as I progress through the levels. I think what I don't enjoy is that I'm putting a lot of time into a piece that is long, sounds pretty awful and will never be played again once mastered. If I were playing something that sounded good I'd be much more inclined to put the effort in.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/18 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Sarah65

And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it.


You need to practice the jumps, so they come second nature. Just practice one jump at a time. Play the first chord, jump as fast as you can move your hand to the second chord but hold you hand over the note, check it is in the correct place and ONLY if it is in the correct place play the chord. Repeat until (without looking at your hands whilst moving - you need to to do the check) you are always in the correct place. Then practice more, playing the first chord and then the second in time (always moving between the chords as fast as you can, just not playing until the correct beat) again without looking at your hands. If you get any wrong - go back to checking you are in the correct place.

I think you will quickly master it then.

With the left hand alone I can do it, I had made a practice piece with all the jumps and practiced a lot. It is in combination with the right hand that it goes wrong. That has been so with every piece, hands apart no problem... together and it goes wrong. It will take a while for it to become a second nature I think.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/18 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by akc42
[quote=Sarah65]
And it will get much harder... I'm currently stuck in 3E "Morning Mood" it seems simple but my left hand refuses to do what she needs to do, no idea how to fix it.

With the left hand alone I can do it, I had made a practice piece with all the jumps and practiced a lot. It is in combination with the right hand that it goes wrong. That has been so with every piece, hands apart no problem... together and it goes wrong. It will take a while for it to become a second nature I think.

I haven't gotten to Morning Mood yet, but something I've done successfully up until now, is what I think of as 'tempo progression', although it takes a long time. I set the tempo to the lowest speed where I can play the song 100% correctly or where I am sure with a few repetitions I can get to 100% without any issues. This is rarely under 50 bpm. Regardless, I keep going down in the tempo until I can play it correctly. That said, slower speeds have their own problems for me, as personally, I found that my rhythm is worse at slower speeds so I usually have to count aloud, which I don't have to do at a faster tempo. When I get to to a tempo where I am successful playing the song 100% correct, then I increase by 5 bpm and try again. If I fail, I repeat. Three strikes and, I tweak the tempo down again until I am successful. At very fast tempi, such as with Low Bridge or Arabia, I've even crept up between iterations by only a single bpm, and then I sometimes fall back down by a single bpm. In this way, I inch the tempo up until two hours later, perhaps on another practice day, I find myself playing at the original tempo the song correctly. Since this obviously takes a long time, especially on a long song, I reserve these "big guns" for only some pieces -- Arabia, Low Bridge, Irish Jig. But these pieces are my nemeses. My, perhaps unfounded, theory is also that if I do it this way, I am "training success". I repeatedly succeed at playing the song (although at slower tempos), and success begets further success.

Painstaking I know, but I think anyone who played Irish Jig 180+ times to get right can do this. smile
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/18 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by TrevorM

I'm not too worried about it getting harder as I progress through the levels. I think what I don't enjoy is that I'm putting a lot of time into a piece that is long, sounds pretty awful and will never be played again once mastered. If I were playing something that sounded good I'd be much more inclined to put the effort in.


BUT - I think most of what these harder pieces is do is help you prepare for the MUCH HARDER pieces coming along the way as you get more proficient. Not just in Piano Marvel, but in general. Even the long pieces are relatively short by what is coming up. Piano Marvels take on Pacabel's Cannon is 57 measures long - and they give you ALL of Lesson 5C to learn it, yet the movements of Beethoven's Sonata's that I learned were 70 for Moonlight (1st Movement) and 73 for Pathetique 2nd Movement, and they were the simplest and shortest movements in those Sonatas. The piece I am learning now is a ABRSM grade 5 piece at 50 measures.
Posted By: ebonykawai

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/18 05:54 PM

^Agreed. The pieces that are really challenging are solid teaching tools. Think of them as that. The longer pieces also teach stamina. I finished my first over-4-min. piece a few weeks ago. If I can do 4 min. now, I'll be able to do 5, then 7, then 10 and on and on. All these things we do now prepare us for more challenging work ahead. smile
Posted By: NobleHouse

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/18 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Noblehouse - Not really, not to have the full experience, but there are other apps that have a "listening" capability that you might want to check out. I don't have any experience with them so I don't know how they compare but maybe try Simply Piano by Joytunes, or Flowkey.


Thanks for replying! It is much appreciated!
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/18 09:44 PM

Just a question about something else. I often see musicians in an orchestra who read from a tablet rather than sheet music. Now I wonder how those turn their page because I have never seen that happen. Would there be a program/software that follows the music and gives the next page if it is needed?
Posted By: dobro

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/18 10:06 PM

Darah65, I’m not active on PM but just browsing. About the tablet, I just swipe the screen as if turning a page but I’ve heard of being able to use a pedal to do it. That may be what the pros that you referenced are doing.
Posted By: arc7urus

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/18 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Just a question about something else. I often see musicians in an orchestra who read from a tablet rather than sheet music. Now I wonder how those turn their page because I have never seen that happen. Would there be a program/software that follows the music and gives the next page if it is needed?


Some score sheet readers support auto page turning according to a timer that can be set per page. ForScore and PiaScore, two popular score reading applications, have this feature. You can also use a Bluetooth pedal to turn the pages manually or use a MIDI command to do so.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/27/18 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by monkeeys
Darah65, I’m not active on PM but just browsing. About the tablet, I just swipe the screen as if turning a page but I’ve heard of being able to use a pedal to do it. That may be what the pros that you referenced are doing.

Originally Posted by arc_turus
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Just a question about something else. I often see musicians in an orchestra who read from a tablet rather than sheet music. Now I wonder how those turn their page because I have never seen that happen. Would there be a program/software that follows the music and gives the next page if it is needed?


Some score sheet readers support auto page turning according to a timer that can be set per page. ForScore and PiaScore, two popular score reading applications, have this feature. You can also use a Bluetooth pedal to turn the pages manually or use a MIDI command to do so.

Thank you
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/27/18 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by arc_turus

Some score sheet readers support auto page turning according to a timer that can be set per page. ForScore and PiaScore, two popular score reading applications, have this feature. You can also use a Bluetooth pedal to turn the pages manually or use a MIDI command to do so.


If your Digital Piano has three pedals, you can often set the program so that the middle pedal (or even the left as that is rarely used either) with change page.

For playing away from your piano (maybe on an accoustic) you can purchase a small pedal that does it for you (such as this http://amzn.eu/iK7Kfzk) [I have not used this - just looks the most suitable]
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/27/18 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
[quote=arc_turus]
If your Digital Piano has three pedals, you can often set the program so that the middle pedal (or even the left as that is rarely used either) with change page.
For playing away from your piano (maybe on an accoustic) you can purchase a small pedal that does it for you (such as this http://amzn.eu/iK7Kfzk) [I have not used this - just looks the most suitable]

Alan, do you know sometimes if that software is to be found for PC as well? I only find page turners for tablet.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/27/18 08:53 PM

The page turner I references is hardware. So puzzled what you mean by that software - did you mean Forescore, which is only available for iPad - I think the following are similar (and different)

As I don't really use Windows (I have a Macbook laptop and Linux on the desktop) I don't really. I have heard of this https://www.musicnotes.com/apps/windows/, but never used it.

One piece of software I thought about getting - but since I found Piano Marvel, didn't have the need any more - was Home Concert Xtreme https://timewarptech.com/shop/music-software-apps/software/home-concert-xtreme/
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/27/18 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
The page turner I references is hardware. So puzzled what you mean by that software - did you mean Forescore, which is only available for iPad - I think the following are similar (and different)

As I don't really use Windows (I have a Macbook laptop and Linux on the desktop) I don't really. I have heard of this https://www.musicnotes.com/apps/windows/, but never used it.

One piece of software I thought about getting - but since I found Piano Marvel, didn't have the need any more - was Home Concert Xtreme https://timewarptech.com/shop/music-software-apps/software/home-concert-xtreme/

sorry I set the wrong quote. It must be about ForScore and PiaScore thats only for iPad. I use PC. Musicnotes is no good, you have to buy every sheet of music. Concert xtreme looks intresting...for later maybe smile First have to finish Marvel.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/03/18 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by TrevorM
OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.


I wonder? Still Jigging?
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/03/18 05:24 PM

Well, I've jumped on the Jigging wagon. The best I've done so far is a 96.

But I've been enjoying some of the songs you can get in the library in addition to the Method lessons.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/03/18 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Well, I've jumped on the Jigging wagon. The best I've done so far is a 96.

But I've been enjoying some of the songs you can get in the library in addition to the Method lessons.


Are there short songs for level 3 in the library? I already tried a few things but mostly it was still too difficult or too ugly laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/03/18 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Are there short songs for level 3 in the library? I already tried a few things but mostly it was still too difficult or too ugly laugh

There is a great song in the Library which is marked as Level 3 -- it's called "Irish Jig" laugh

Actually, one of the Piano Marvel staff recommended three level three pieces to me from the library: Satin Gloves, Spinning, and Riding. I only tried Spinning so far. It was pleasant. Not too difficult. (Irish Jig has spoiled the Level 3 rating system... laugh )
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/03/18 09:54 PM

Quote

Actually, one of the Piano Marvel staff recommended three level three pieces to me from the library: Satin Gloves, Spinning, and Riding. I only tried Spinning so far. It was pleasant. Not too difficult. (Irish Jig has spoiled the Level 3 rating system... laugh )


No thank you, never ever Irish Jigg wink Those 3 they recommended are in method 3D or E, I have done them. Spinning is pleasant but not in fast version.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/03/18 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote

Actually, one of the Piano Marvel staff recommended three level three pieces to me from the library: Satin Gloves, Spinning, and Riding. I only tried Spinning so far. It was pleasant. Not too difficult. (Irish Jig has spoiled the Level 3 rating system... laugh )

No thank you, never ever Irish Jigg wink Those 3 they recommended are in method 3D or E, I have done them. Spinning is pleasant but not in fast version.

I most have just not remembered whichever one of these was in Method 3D since I finished Method 3D already. I am currently stuck though on Technique 3D#17 "Shenandoah" for the 3rd day. I think I see why you gave up on Technique. I think I have made this extra tough on myself, since it is marked as "ear training", so I've been refusing to look at the notes during the scoring and memorize them that way, as I want to play from ear. But the fact that I've played this one about 100 time with my best being 93% probably means I've almost memorized the pattern anyways even though I'm not peeking. haha...
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/04/18 08:11 AM

Quote

I most have just not remembered whichever one of these was in Method 3D since I finished Method 3D already. I am currently stuck though on Technique 3D#17 "Shenandoah" for the 3rd day. I think I see why you gave up on Technique. I think I have made this extra tough on myself, since it is marked as "ear training", so I've been refusing to look at the notes during the scoring and memorize them that way, as I want to play from ear. But the fact that I've played this one about 100 time with my best being 93% probably means I've almost memorized the pattern anyways even though I'm not peeking. haha...


Some people are born with an absolute musical hearing and others do not. If you belong to the second category you can do ear training until you get mad, but it will never come. That's why I've given up in technique. At first I wrote everything down in technique, then I just had to fill in the blanks, but with the larger pieces it is not feasible and so time consuming. And actually that is a big scale cheating and I don't learn anything about it. My ambition when I started with Marvel was just to learn to read notes and learn the basics of playing piano. Even though it stings that not all my pianos have a golden star, both technique and method, but yes, so be it. laugh
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/04/18 11:02 AM

Sarah,

If you look at "popular piano solos" and "more popular piano solos" by Hal Leonard they both have multiple selections in multiple levels. They are not too long. A lot of Disney tunes, but not all. You don't have to do the boot camp part of it.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/04/18 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by TrevorM
OH MY GOD I'M SO BORED OF IRISH JIG.

I haven't played the piano in two days because of it. I can't let myself continue until I 100% it. This tune will either be the death of me, or the Piano Marvel app.


I wonder? Still Jigging?


Hah. No. I got there in the end. It wasn't too hard actually. Once you have the two sections nailed it's just a case of playing them repeatedly without error.

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Are there short songs for level 3 in the library? I already tried a few things but mostly it was still too difficult or too ugly


There are some nice grades pieces that have just been added if you search for Composer: Hal Leonard it'll bring up the Popular Piano Solo books. Also, if you search for "Classical Boot Camp" there are some good graded classical pieces to try. Good luck! smile

EDIT: Sorry, GidgetKeys, just saw your response! smile

I've just started playing with a Teacher again so I'll probably be spending less time on Piano Marvel. I've been set quite this nice blues-y piece which is much harder. My own fault for telling him that I wanted to master stride piano. smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiQ7HdEy-Ts

I've also got work to do on some sorely neglected scales, so I'll be jumping up to L4's Technique section to help me out. smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/04/18 09:17 PM

Good luck with all that you still want to learn, I take some spring/summer vacation. No time to sit inside on the piano, it is better outside in the sun. See you back in autumn smile
I will still be practicing on rainy days, because I miss my piano quite quickly. But ending level 3 of Marvel will not be for now. To get the last longer pieces 100% I have to play a few days in succession, because if there is a week in between, I forgot everything again. And that I can't do now, way too many other things to do.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/05/18 12:30 AM

See you in the fall, Sarah! Enjoy your summer!
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/05/18 07:46 AM

I previously used Piano Marvel to get the basic notes from "Cool" (an ABRSM Grade 5 piece) into my fingers and I know it works wonderfully well to just get my muscle memory set up - it then takes work outside of Piano Marvel to hone the piece.

This week I have started to try and learn Bach's two part Invention No 8. I entered the score via Musescore and exported the .mid and .xml files and uploaded them to Piano Marvel. Now I am having fun trying to build practice exercises from it. Yesterday I built a load of "Minced Exercises" and then some "Chopped" ones - but although I could easily do hands separate, as soon as I tried to put hands together I was struggling. So this morning I am taking a new approach and changing the "Chopped" exercises to start from the end and work backwards - adding extra bars/measures in for each new exercise until I get to the beginning and can play the whole piece.

Because creating and changing exercises is so easy once you have the piece in place, I can easily create the 17 practice exercises it will take to go from the last two bars to playing the whole piece, maybe half and hours work and I will be ready to go. I have chosen very low tempii (32, 48 and 64) so give me a chance of getting my muscle memory started and then worked up to a slow but steady pace. Once I have it in my fingers I hope I can improve it outside of PM.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/06/18 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Good luck with all that you still want to learn, I take some spring/summer vacation. No time to sit inside on the piano, it is better outside in the sun. See you back in autumn smile
I will still be practicing on rainy days, because I miss my piano quite quickly. But ending level 3 of Marvel will not be for now. To get the last longer pieces 100% I have to play a few days in succession, because if there is a week in between, I forgot everything again. And that I can't do now, way too many other things to do.

Have a nice summer. I am just 20 lessons from the halfway point myself - 10 of each of 3E Method & Technique - yet life intrudes here too. I leave for London in two days to attend a graduation, and I've set the goal of finishing off these 20 lessons - and therefore level 3 - before I depart. It's a race against time to see if I make it. smile

BTW, for some reason, I found the C minor version of the Happy Birthday song to be even harder than Morning Mood. blush Seemingly inexplicably, I made 100+ mistakes on the Happy Birthday song - I would make the same mistake 4-5 times in a row, each time swearing the next time I wouldn't make "that particular error". For the life of me, I can't figure out why, unless had something to do with the piece being in a minor key. The Morning Mood jumps seemed less challenging to me in comparison. I've been recording the pieces that posed any difficulty on my SoundCloud, and this morning, my wife LOL'ed at me when she saw the Happy Birthday song there. blush
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/07/18 12:54 AM

Finally! I scored 100% on Irish Jig...but it wasn't perfect. I had 2 red notes. 29 "official" attempts, but I practiced the music more than that. I'm moving on...
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/07/18 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by akc42

Because creating and changing exercises is so easy once you have the piece in place, I can easily create the 17 practice exercises it will take to go from the last two bars to playing the whole piece, maybe half and hours work and I will be ready to go. I have chosen very low tempii (32, 48 and 64) so give me a chance of getting my muscle memory started and then worked up to a slow but steady pace. Once I have it in my fingers I hope I can improve it outside of PM.


It actually took me less than 20 minutes to set this up, and after a brief trial I decided to go with 32, 40 and 48 as the tempii. The last measure is bar 34 and yesterday I did exercises 33->end, 31->end, 29->end at all tempii to 100%. I can play further back than that looking at the sheet music, so will try some more today. But like others the weather has kept me away from the piano for most of the day
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/07/18 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
So this morning I am taking a new approach and changing the "Chopped" exercises to start from the end and work backwards - adding extra bars/measures in for each new exercise until I get to the beginning and can play the whole piece.

Wanted to add that when my brain wasn't processing the minor key Happy Birthday song, I had just read this, and so I too tried to work measure-by-measure from the end to the beginning of the song -- all 10 or so measures of it. blush Although there were no pre-chopped exercises that did this, I did this by manually highlighting the measures. Whether it was the mere fact of achieving enough repetitions or the technique of "growing" from the end does really help, my first successful rendition of these (10) measures came during this process.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/07/18 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Whether it was the mere fact of achieving enough repetitions or the technique of "growing" from the end does really help, my first successful rendition of these (10) measures came during this process.


This is the first time I've tried this, and my impression of it is that you clear the new measure(s) you just introduced and are then in familiar territory and so relax, making the playing much more fluid and (I think important to accuracy) finding you have enough time to think ahead of time how the next few notes go, and can then tell your fingers to play those specific notes.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/18 12:05 AM

Along with a misfeature I found today (another story), I found a very cool undocumented feature. I can't imagine I'm the first one to notice this. I was in Method 3E#14, "Satin Gloves", and played the video, 4:52 of going through the entire piece. Then I tried to learn it in practice mode. While in practice mode, I decided I needed to check the fingering on a part, and decided to watch the video again. So I clicked the video link while in practice mode, expecting to get the same 4:52 video as before. No! Instead, I got a 9:18 video showing every practice mode segment, and depending on which practice mode segment you are in, you get a different piece of the 9:18 video, showing very detailed fingering. Whoa! Now that is cool and obviously took a lot of effort (if it was done for practice mode in other pieces). But now why was this feature never mentioned or documented?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/18 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
This is the first time I've tried this, and my impression of it is that you clear the new measure(s) you just introduced and are then in familiar territory and so relax, making the playing much more fluid and (I think important to accuracy) finding you have enough time to think ahead of time how the next few notes go, and can then tell your fingers to play those specific notes.

Now that explanation does make sense to me. Is this your theory of why this is working for us, or is it something your teacher or something you read suggested? Because if you invented it, I think you should post this idea in its own thread on this board, since it is a learning innovation and deserves not to be buried in a Piano Marvel thread wink
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/18 03:31 AM

Question to anyone who is advanced enough to know this. In the following segment of a piece called "Satin Gloves", is there any reason why the last measure should start with a staccatissimo?
odd staccatissimo in last measure of Satin Gloves (sorry for link, tried to embed as image and it refused to do so)
I tried to play it this way, and it doesn't even sound right since it interrupts the arpeggio quite abruptly. Could it be a notation error?
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/18 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Originally Posted by akc42
This is the first time I've tried this, and my impression of it is that you clear the new measure(s) you just introduced and are then in familiar territory and so relax, making the playing much more fluid and (I think important to accuracy) finding you have enough time to think ahead of time how the next few notes go, and can then tell your fingers to play those specific notes.

Now that explanation does make sense to me. Is this your theory of why this is working for us, or is it something your teacher or something you read suggested? Because if you invented it, I think you should post this idea in its own thread on this board, since it is a learning innovation and deserves not to be buried in a Piano Marvel thread wink


I read somewhere (I think it might have been in "Fundamentals of Piano Practice"?) that it was a good idea to learn from the back end forward, because it helps along the lines I mentioned. The specific feeling that I wrote about was what I was experiencing. having tried this for the first time. So I haven't invented the approach.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/18 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Question to anyone who is advanced enough to know this. In the following segment of a piece called "Satin Gloves", is there any reason why the last measure should start with a staccatissimo?
odd staccatissimo in last measure of Satin Gloves (sorry for link, tried to embed as image and it refused to do so)
I tried to play it this way, and it doesn't even sound right since it interrupts the arpeggio quite abruptly. Could it be a notation error?


I just wonder if its because all the previous two octave runs ends in a staccato and this is sort of saying the same, but then carrying on. Don't really know
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/18 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Question to anyone who is advanced enough to know this. In the following segment of a piece called "Satin Gloves", is there any reason why the last measure should start with a staccatissimo?
odd staccatissimo in last measure of Satin Gloves (sorry for link, tried to embed as image and it refused to do so)
I tried to play it this way, and it doesn't even sound right since it interrupts the arpeggio quite abruptly. Could it be a notation error?


I just wonder if its because all the previous two octave runs ends in a staccato and this is sort of saying the same, but then carrying on. Don't really know

Now this is an interesting observation that I hadn't noticed. Yes, that would be a possibility. Does such a thing have a musicological name? I mean a "pretend" ending to a song that actually continues on? Maybe as I think you may be implying, it isn't trying to be a "pretend ending", but just to emphasize where the previous arpeggios ended. It's weird anyways. My ears are confused.

I wonder about a lot of things about this piece, Satin Gloves. First of all, it is a composition by the Piano Marvel owner. It has these staccatissimo pikes. Why staccatissimo? It's hardly dynamics for beginners like me. Why not just staccato? There are pieces using staccato before Method 3E. There are 7 arpeggios, and all get these staccatissimo pikes on the last one or two notes, except for two of them. The 2nd and the 6th. I wonder if they could be mistakes? I play it and it doesn't make any sense to my ear why two of these should be different than the others? Is this my OCD talking? Then I watch the video of the Piano Marvel owner playing the song, and he definitely doesn't play any of these particular notes staccatissimo (or at least as I understand staccatissimo from having looked it up). In fact, in the video, on his screen that appears in the video, the notes are not staccatissimo. I wonder if the staccatissimo is simply a notation error, or a programming "bug", but that seems unlike since it's too "fancy" a notation to be anything but deliberate here. Since he is the owner and piece's composer, he could have recorded himself playing this piece and then decided later it would sound better having staccatissimo pikes on some of the notes. We already see from the videos, he prefers the authentic to re-recording videos with small errors, and that could explain why he didn't re-record the video after changing the score.

I opened a personal record of 3 trouble tickets for this piece, most just asking questions about a very oddly composed piece.
Posted By: TrevorM

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/18 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Question to anyone who is advanced enough to know this. In the following segment of a piece called "Satin Gloves", is there any reason why the last measure should start with a staccatissimo?
odd staccatissimo in last measure of Satin Gloves (sorry for link, tried to embed as image and it refused to do so)
I tried to play it this way, and it doesn't even sound right since it interrupts the arpeggio quite abruptly. Could it be a notation error?


I just wonder if its because all the previous two octave runs ends in a staccato and this is sort of saying the same, but then carrying on. Don't really know


If you look at the Method Book PDF it's not staccato at all BUT is marked as to be played with the left hand from that point.
http://pianomarvel_assets.s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs/lessons/Method_3.pdf (Page 67)
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/18 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by TrevorM
Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Question to anyone who is advanced enough to know this. In the following segment of a piece called "Satin Gloves", is there any reason why the last measure should start with a staccatissimo?
odd staccatissimo in last measure of Satin Gloves (sorry for link, tried to embed as image and it refused to do so)
I tried to play it this way, and it doesn't even sound right since it interrupts the arpeggio quite abruptly. Could it be a notation error?

I just wonder if its because all the previous two octave runs ends in a staccato and this is sort of saying the same, but then carrying on. Don't really know

If you look at the Method Book PDF it's not staccato at all BUT is marked as to be played with the left hand from that point.
http://pianomarvel_assets.s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs/lessons/Method_3.pdf (Page 67)

Wow, I am looking at this book with new eyes. First, you are right. This is obviously then a notation error on Piano Marvel itself. It erroneously turned "LH" and "RH" into little "pike" marks for staccatissimo. The pike marks on the system exactly line up with all the places in the book which have an "LH" or "RH", which can't be a coincidence. This also explains the missing pike marks in the 2nd and 6th arpeggios -- the book doesn't have an "LH" and "RH" there, and it explains the pike at the beginning of the last measure, there is an "LH" there.
But secondly, I never bothered with the book since I assumed it was just a rehash of what the PianoMarvel system does. I couldn't be more wrong. The book introduced all sorts of things that the system does not. For example, I'm already almost done with level 3, and I've been wondering when they would get to pedaling, since it seems an integral part of piano playing. I'm shocked. Looking at this book, I see sustain pedal was introduced back in 3B for "Into the Woods", in the last two measures. I just went back to 3B "Into the Woods" right now to see how I could have missed it... and it's not there! In fact, in the video, I can clearly see his feet, and he is not pressing the sustain pedal in the last two measures. Furthermore, I see things now in the book that are impossible in Piano Marvel. For example, the book version of "Morning Mood" has ritardando in the last two measures. Well that is simply impossible in Piano Marvel since the starting tempo is the tempo in the middle is the tempo at the end. There is no "ritardando" possible. It's like this book is for a different course. Have you actually tried to use this book with Piano Marvel, TrevorM? I feel like I should be going back to Level 1 with the books and seeing what I missed!

ADDED: Thanks for small favors though -- I just noticed the book sets Satin Gloves at a tempo of 124 bpm when the Piano Marvel system itself uses 100. I'm glad about this. 100 already seems fast. 124 would be ferocious. But the book has this song with dynamics, and all sorts of different marks and abbreviations, which I have no idea about. The Piano Marvel system itself hasn't taught any of these things. Was there anything that said we had to use the system with the book? Because if so, I missed that part.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/09/18 02:19 AM

I've gone ahead and opened my 4th ticket on Satin Gloves and pointed out what TrevorM found and told them they should remove the pikes from notes since these do seem to be wrong. Unfortunately, my muscle memory now wants to play those particular notes staccatissimo now! grrr. I don't think I will be able to finish level 3 before I leave for London in the morning. Darn these gloves. LOL
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/18/18 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by TrevorM
If you look at the Method Book PDF it's not staccato at all BUT is marked as to be played with the left hand from that point.
http://pianomarvel_assets.s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs/lessons/Method_3.pdf (Page 67)

And now, due to your discovery, they've taken the staccatissimo out of the Piano Marvel lesson. smile
Posted By: Dreamingstill

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/19/18 04:30 AM

Maybe this has been asked and replied before but didn't find it: I saw on their website you download the software. But do you have to be online to use the software?
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/19/18 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Dreamingstill
Maybe this has been asked and replied before but didn't find it: I saw on their website you download the software. But do you have to be online to use the software?


Yes you do. At least you definitely do at the start of an "Assess", but once its started I am not sure. Again at the end, when its calculating the score.

Bottom line, its unusable unless you are connected to the Internet.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/19/18 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dreamingstill
Maybe this has been asked and replied before but didn't find it: I saw on their website you download the software. But do you have to be online to use the software?

Yes, you do.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/20/18 07:16 PM

Finally finished Level 3 this morning. The last 90 lessons in Method/Technique were grueling and might have taken the same amount of time of the previous 200-300 lessons. Last big hurdle was "Tommy Thumb" in Technique 3E where I kept missing the Bb for the key of F.... (by 'keep', I mean >50 times). Over two hours of practice before I could consistently play it all the way through without any mistakes. Whew. Even made a SoundCloud file to memorialize a rather simple song. Well, onward to Level 4.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/20/18 08:15 PM

So having started 4A, I immediately encounter a piece which has me mystified: Method 4A#1. Find the C's. I assume this is some sort of exercise and we can use any fingering we want? Say index finger? Because there are no instructions and no fingering indicated. And in fact, I am curious why, if this was just an exercise in finding the C's, this belongs in Method and not Technique. What is the difference between Method and Technique?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/21/18 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Finally finished Level 3 this morning. The last 90 lessons in Method/Technique were grueling and might have taken the same amount of time of the previous 200-300 lessons. Last big hurdle was "Tommy Thumb" in Technique 3E where I kept missing the Bb for the key of F.... (by 'keep', I mean >50 times). Over two hours of practice before I could consistently play it all the way through without any mistakes. Whew. Even made a SoundCloud file to memorialize a rather simple song. Well, onward to Level 4.

Congratulations on finishing Level 3. With me it will take a while because I have no free time, too much work in the garden.

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
So having started 4A, I immediately encounter a piece which has me mystified: Method 4A#1. Find the C's. I assume this is some sort of exercise and we can use any fingering we want? Say index finger? Because there are no instructions and no fingering indicated. And in fact, I am curious why, if this was just an exercise in finding the C's, this belongs in Method and not Technique. What is the difference between Method and Technique?

There is not much difference in method and technique, one is already duller than the other... I just do what I like, it doesn't have to be all necessary:) Btw, Find all C's is an exercise that they usually teach in the first lesson to beginners, what does that do in level 4?
Posted By: keystring

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/21/18 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
... Last big hurdle was "Tommy Thumb" in Technique 3E where I kept missing the Bb for the key of F.... (by 'keep', I mean >50 times). Over two hours of practice before I could consistently play it all the way through without any mistakes. Whew.

I responded to your post in the Teacher forum about finding a teacher,and RCM (which I have experienced) but I don't think you've been back to see it. smile I just happened to see this post when I went to see what else you've written.
So - When I was a student first time round, one thing that I did not learn at all was how to practice, or toward what (part of the how). I started to figure out some of it near the end (a few years later!) and it was the start of a huge paradigm shift. Things I'd practise for months, came together in maybe 2 weeks, and in ways I really liked. I'm seeing signs of that here. You should not be in a position of missing a note multiple times, or practising it for several hours, as you described. So in case it helps:

Practising anything does not mean aiming for the end result as it would be in a performance: i.e. we play TT from beginning to end at the right tempo without mistakes. Instead, divide your piece into sections, and devise goals. Possibly, identify what is the hardest thing, and work on that first. A "goal" in this piece would definitely be that Bb. Before you do any of the piece, fixate on that Bb, both as notation (the note with the middle line running through it for the treble clef), and as piano key (the right-most in the group of 3 blacks). You could find everywhere in the piece where that Bb occurs. Play that note, and the note before it. You will never, ever miss it, and it will become engrained. However you divide up your work in sections, you might work on only 4 or 5 notes total in that section doing that, to begin with. Then....

... walk away from it. Trust that your body-mind-senses system will start absorbing this. You might come back to it later in the day, and go back to this same thing. We're talking 5-10 minutes - less effort for more returns. Meanwhile as you go through your daily business, you might flash the picture in front of you of that black piano key, and that middle line. ....... Over days, these things will become automatic. They start to form in your sleep and the next day you wonder where "that hard thing" went.

These are the kinds of things that I did not learn first time round, and they made me work much harder than I needed to, with disappointing results.

This also redefines "goals" (i.e. the RCM idea). Underneath the broad goals within the structure of something like the RCM, are the actual practice goals that will get you there. If you are practising a piece for "grade 1", or an etude, or a scale or chord, the actual way to get you there is the type of thing that I described.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/21/18 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by keystring
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
... Last big hurdle was "Tommy Thumb" in Technique 3E where I kept missing the Bb for the key of F.... (by 'keep', I mean >50 times). Over two hours of practice before I could consistently play it all the way through without any mistakes. Whew.

I responded to your post in the Teacher forum about finding a teacher,and RCM (which I have experienced) but I don't think you've been back to see it. smile

Thanks! I did miss your very thoughtful response to my message on the Teacher's Forum, but I just went back and read it and responded there.

Originally Posted by keystring
I just happened to see this post when I went to see what else you've written.
So - When I was a student first time round, one thing that I did not learn at all was how to practice, or toward what (part of the how). I started to figure out some of it near the end (a few years later!) and it was the start of a huge paradigm shift. Things I'd practise for months, came together in maybe 2 weeks, and in ways I really liked. I'm seeing signs of that here. You should not be in a position of missing a note multiple times, or practising it for several hours, as you described. So in case it helps:

Practising anything does not mean aiming for the end result as it would be in a performance: i.e. we play TT from beginning to end at the right tempo without mistakes. Instead, divide your piece into sections, and devise goals. Possibly, identify what is the hardest thing, and work on that first. A "goal" in this piece would definitely be that Bb. Before you do any of the piece, fixate on that Bb, both as notation (the note with the middle line running through it for the treble clef), and as piano key (the right-most in the group of 3 blacks). You could find everywhere in the piece where that Bb occurs. Play that note, and the note before it. You will never, ever miss it, and it will become engrained. However you divide up your work in sections, you might work on only 4 or 5 notes total in that section doing that, to begin with. Then....

... walk away from it. Trust that your body-mind-senses system will start absorbing this. You might come back to it later in the day, and go back to this same thing. We're talking 5-10 minutes - less effort for more returns. Meanwhile as you go through your daily business, you might flash the picture in front of you of that black piano key, and that middle line. ....... Over days, these things will become automatic. They start to form in your sleep and the next day you wonder where "that hard thing" went.

Wow. What some great ideas! For example, with that Bb, I was really frustrated. I would say it out loud to myself. I would order myself not to miss the Bb next time. And I would be astounded and upset when indeed, the next time, I'd miss it again... and again... and again... My final success came after I invented a jingle I would mentally say as I played which would bring some attention to that Bb, not anything that made the Bb in key of F more natural for me. So I'm definitely going to be trying out your practice technique.

Originally Posted by keystring
These are the kinds of things that I did not learn first time round, and they made me work much harder than I needed to, with disappointing results.

This also redefines "goals" (i.e. the RCM idea). Underneath the broad goals within the structure of something like the RCM, are the actual practice goals that will get you there. If you are practising a piece for "grade 1", or an etude, or a scale or chord, the actual way to get you there is the type of thing that I described.

Thanks! I address your RCM comments in the other thread on the Piano Teacher's forum where you had commented in length.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/21/18 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Congratulations on finishing Level 3. With me it will take a while because I have no free time, too much work in the garden.

But your work in your garden is your enjoyment, at least ultimately, no? In which case I am happy for you that one enjoyable thing is taking you from another.

Originally Posted by Sarah65
There is not much difference in method and technique, one is already duller than the other... I just do what I like, it doesn't have to be all necessary:) Btw, Find all C's is an exercise that they usually teach in the first lesson to beginners, what does that do in level 4?

Yes, that is also another point. In fact, I felt I had made so much progress finishing Level 3. Imagine my let down when the first exercise in Level 4 was to find the C's! frown
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/26/18 03:54 PM

After the silence, music comes closest to the articulation of the unspeakable.
-Aldous Huxley-
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/26/18 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
After the silence, music comes closest to the articulation of the unspeakable.
-Aldous Huxley-

This quote struck a chord with me. I just didn't know why. I googled for "unspeakable" to see if I had maybe seen this before. And then it struck me. Many many years ago when I was in college @ H*, I wrote a final paper for my English class called "Unspeakable versus Inexpressible". And in many ways, it was also about articulation of the unspeakable or the inexpressible. So a little déjà vu there!

And returning to the Piano Marvel topic, they released a new version of the plug-in this morning! They refer to it as 2.0 (oooooh). However the plug-in itself says 0.0.1.14. There apparently are some new features. Can't wait to try and see if they fixed some of the bugs I'd previously found!
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/26/18 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone

And returning to the Piano Marvel topic, they released a new version of the plug-in this morning! They refer to it as 2.0 (oooooh). However the plug-in itself says 0.0.1.14. There apparently are some new features. Can't wait to try and see if they fixed some of the bugs I'd previously found!


How do you know? I went there on my Mac and nothing seems to have updated. If I look at About (Inside the app) it says Piano Marvel is at 2.0.0 and the plugin is at 0.0.1.13
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/26/18 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone

And returning to the Piano Marvel topic, they released a new version of the plug-in this morning! They refer to it as 2.0 (oooooh). However the plug-in itself says 0.0.1.14. There apparently are some new features. Can't wait to try and see if they fixed some of the bugs I'd previously found!

How do you know? I went there on my Mac and nothing seems to have updated. If I look at About (Inside the app) it says Piano Marvel is at 2.0.0 and the plugin is at 0.0.1.13

Previously I had a beta version of the app. Windows did an update on my PC (I have a mini-PC connected to a monitor which I use as my "piano display") and when I went to start Piano Marvel, a message popped up saying there was a new release of the Piano Marvel app and did I want to download/install it. I said yes. It told me certain features were added. And after it installed on my Windows Desktop, I started it and the app appeared showing version "0.0.1.14".
Perhaps the OSX version is lagging behind? While I have a Mac, I don't use it for the piano, so I don't know. You might want to send Customer Support a query about the Mac version.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/26/18 10:53 PM

Are there any video after level 3? I haven't encountered any yet, although I could have used the help counting 16th notes (found a youtube video on that though)
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/27/18 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Are there any video after level 3? I haven't encountered any yet, although I could have used the help counting 16th notes (found a youtube video on that though)


I don't remember any, but the real truth is I never bothered with them anyway, so have't been looking out for them.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/27/18 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone

And returning to the Piano Marvel topic, they released a new version of the plug-in this morning! They refer to it as 2.0 (oooooh). However the plug-in itself says 0.0.1.14. There apparently are some new features. Can't wait to try and see if they fixed some of the bugs I'd previously found!


How do you know? I went there on my Mac and nothing seems to have updated. If I look at About (Inside the app) it says Piano Marvel is at 2.0.0 and the plugin is at 0.0.1.13



I got the popup also, windows pc.

I doubt. I have often read and heard that when practicing a piece you have to start very slowly and every note should be correct !!!, because of the finger memory. Even though there are big jumps, which means you have to look at your hands. But I wonder if you will ever feel the notes when it is in different octaves... I must always look at it. I have also already tried from just looking at the sheet and playing the piece so it usually works out about it, but they say your fingers remember the errors and not the right notes... is that true? what should you do then?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/27/18 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Are there any video after level 3? I haven't encountered any yet, although I could have used the help counting 16th notes (found a youtube video on that though)

No, you have to find it all yourself.

Today I started back with Marvel. I don't know any more from whom I got the tip but anyway thanks, for classical bootcamp. I had to start somewhere and level 3E where I left off seemed to me way too difficult. Even level 2 of the Bootcamp was hard and it took me a whole afternoon before I got the 100% on the first three songs. I was able to read the notes but I was especially bothered with the tempo, the long and short notes. Tomorrow the fight continues. laugh It will come back, I'm sure. My first SASR test I scored only 365, and I was for a while above the 400. Crazy anyway that you forget everything so quickly... it will be the age smile good excuse for everything that goes wrong.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/29/18 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Slothrop, Tyrone
Are there any video after level 3? I haven't encountered any yet, although I could have used the help counting 16th notes (found a youtube video on that though)

No, you have to find it all yourself.

Today I started back with Marvel. I don't know any more from whom I got the tip but anyway thanks, for classical bootcamp. I had to start somewhere and level 3E where I left off seemed to me way too difficult. Even level 2 of the Bootcamp was hard and it took me a whole afternoon before I got the 100% on the first three songs. I was able to read the notes but I was especially bothered with the tempo, the long and short notes. Tomorrow the fight continues. laugh It will come back, I'm sure. My first SASR test I scored only 365, and I was for a while above the 400. Crazy anyway that you forget everything so quickly... it will be the age smile good excuse for everything that goes wrong.

I am terrible at sight-reading. Just terrible. I have been taking the SASR and my current score is 330. I've been close to, but not higher than 400. My current score is so depressing I've even stopped taking the SASR. Because if I think 330 is bad, tomorrow will be 270! So you are doing quite a bit better than I am and I just finished 4-A. I did get some sight-reading exercise books from Amazon.com and hope that by working through the exercises I will improve.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/29/18 09:52 PM

Try taking one of the sight reading bootcamps. My score was roughly the same as you when I started. Now I get upset if I don't break the intermediate level at 473 (which I occasionally don't). I did the hymns bootcamp and that helped a lot. I have also done some of the classical bootcamp.

I still feel my eyes read ok, its just my fingers don't do what I want them to.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/30/18 10:05 AM

Quote

I am terrible at sight-reading. Just terrible. I have been taking the SASR and my current score is 330. I've been close to, but not higher than 400. My current score is so depressing I've even stopped taking the SASR. Because if I think 330 is bad, tomorrow will be 270! So you are doing quite a bit better than I am and I just finished 4-A. I did get some sight-reading exercise books from Amazon.com and hope that by working through the exercises I will improve.



If you go to the library and you type in the search window SASR , then you will get 6 levels sight reading. I've done that to level 3. If you are going to do the test then the surprise is a little less big because you recognize it.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/31/18 01:04 AM

Quick question. No fingering instructions for 4-B#6 and 4-B#7 -- Root Position Triads. Are all RPT supposed to always be played with the same exact fingering? 135?
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/31/18 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Quick question. No fingering instructions for 4-B#6 and 4-B#7 -- Root Position Triads. Are all RPT supposed to always be played with the same exact fingering? 135?


Thats certainly what I did. I guess the idea is to teach you about centering

Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/04/18 08:06 AM

Occasionally I still do a SASR test, to remember the notes, and yesterday something strange happened. I got the error message "PDF for song not found" and it continued to repeat the previous song, over and over again laugh I found it so funny that I forgot to do an error message.
Posted By: CLM Piano Learner

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/13/18 04:45 PM

For those of you who have gotten to the upper levels of Piano Marvel (PM), have you noticed a significant improvement in your technique and ability to read and lean music?

I started Piano Marvel a year or so ago and got to level 4, but then I went off on my own to build my repertoire - mostly from the "Easy Classics to Moderns" series. I'm thinking about going back to PM to improve my technique as a supplement to my repertoire building from other sources. I don't find the "songs" in the PM lessons to be that appealing, but I'm willing to go through them if it helps my technique. I'd probably also take the SASR test a few times a week if I do renew my subscription with PM.

I'm assuming I'll get a few "get a teacher" replies, and yes, I'm considering that and know the benefit of a teacher, but I'm particularly curious about the PM lessons - do they ultimately pay off??
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/13/18 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by CLM Piano Learner

I'm assuming I'll get a few "get a teacher" replies, and yes, I'm considering that and know the benefit of a teacher, but I'm particularly curious about the PM lessons - do they ultimately pay off??


I find that PM after level 3 is rather a disappointment than something to learn. For a beginner, the difference in difficulty level 3/4 is far too large and it lacks instructions and examples after level 3. I may not have done enough to get through the technique, but that seems so boring and useless if you only want to learn to play a few songs for your own pleasure, and especially learn to read sheet music. And that's where PM succeeded, for me anyway.
Posted By: CLM Piano Learner

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/13/18 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by CLM Piano Learner

I'm assuming I'll get a few "get a teacher" replies, and yes, I'm considering that and know the benefit of a teacher, but I'm particularly curious about the PM lessons - do they ultimately pay off??


I find that PM after level 3 is rather a disappointment than something to learn. For a beginner, the difference in difficulty level 3/4 is far too large and it lacks instructions and examples after level 3. I may not have done enough to get through the technique, but that seems so boring and useless if you only want to learn to play a few songs for your own pleasure, and especially learn to read sheet music. And that's where PM succeeded, for me anyway.


I agree. I got really frustrated while in level 4. One reason is that it the songs / exercises were not at all appealing to me. Once I got a "golden star" for a song, I was so relieved to never have to hear the song again. But if they are really good at building up technique, I might be willing to start up again where I left off.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/13/18 08:04 PM

you might try some of the bootcamps from the library to help with reading, and there are lots of level appropriate arrangements of actual songs in the Library. They seem to be improving them all the time. I have one song (might have been an Elton John song) that when I first added it, didn't have the minced and chopped versions available, but shortly thereafter, it was added.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/13/18 09:00 PM

I think it doesn't matter whether we are playing and practicing to get a trophy closet full or we search the library for songs that we like... we always learn anyway. When I start back I only learn the songs that I find pleasant... since Arabia and Irish Jig I know that it is not necessary to be able to play such miserable songs at an inhuman speed. laugh I am not a masochiste.
And technique we always learn, whatever we play I think. I find the fingering even disturbing, there's already so much you have to look out for and your fingers usually find themselves the most natural way. I usually get confused of those numbers above the notes...It also depends on what you want to achieve with the lessons.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/17/18 02:06 AM

Wow. This thread was buried. Anybody still here?

I haven't been very active with PM lately as I've been concentrating on my method book and some other music, but in the last few days I've opened it a little more frequently.

This evening I attempted an SASR. The first attempt was disappointing. The score was better than the previous attempt but not as well as my current personal best. So, I did it twice. The second time was better. A new personal best of 358, but its disheartening that the score was as high as 362, and there's something just not right about achieving a passing grade for an exercise and the overall score dropping.

All in all, I'm pleased that there was some improvement, but I feel like for the amount of time I spend practicing, it should reflect in the score. I suppose I should take the SASR more often.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/17/18 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Anybody still here?

I am still doing it some, but mainly I am uploading some of my own things to PM and using it to learn them. I find being busy with piano lessons with a method book leaves little time for PM.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/17/18 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

...mainly I am uploading some of my own things to PM and using it to learn them.


I remember some conversations about that. Sounds complicated.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/17/18 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I remember some conversations about that. Sounds complicated.

It was at first. But it's pretty wired now. I can find a score and upload a new piece, even with some chopping/mincing, in about 20 mins total. But yes, in the early days when I couldn't even get Musescore working correctly, it did seem very complicated.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/17/18 09:36 PM

I still do an SASR every few days, but I am spending so much of my practice time polishing my repertoire and learning a new piece that I haven't gone back to it that much. I was hoping to use it to add to my tally for the 40 a year club, but I haven't had time for that either.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/18/18 11:07 AM

Hi guys,
Playing the piano is the last of my worries now, both my husband and I have been listed in the hospital, I am now putting my PC back on for the first time in months. Playing piano I can not now, a lot of pain, a lot of pain medication, I can not sit or lie down... October 1 back to the clinic, I hope for a solution finally. Keep practicing friends, I'll still be back someday.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/18/18 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Hi guys,
Playing the piano is the last of my worries now, both my husband and I have been listed in the hospital, I am now putting my PC back on for the first time in months. Playing piano I can not now, a lot of pain, a lot of pain medication, I can not sit or lie down... October 1 back to the clinic, I hope for a solution finally. Keep practicing friends, I'll still be back someday.

So sorry to hear this. I hope both of you recover soon!
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/19/18 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Hi guys,
Playing the piano is the last of my worries now, both my husband and I have been listed in the hospital, I am now putting my PC back on for the first time in months. Playing piano I can not now, a lot of pain, a lot of pain medication, I can not sit or lie down... October 1 back to the clinic, I hope for a solution finally. Keep practicing friends, I'll still be back someday.

So sorry to hear this. I hope both of you recover soon!

I second this. Get well soon
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/27/18 04:01 PM

Well, I knew it would happen eventually.... I've been playing about 15 months and I finally ran out of keys! I bought a 61-key keyboard figuring it would take me awhile to get to the point where I was moving so far up and down the keyboard to need those extra keys. Last night I was trying out one of the new Halloween pieces that they uploaded just for something different, and the first several measures are to be played both hands in a bass position (below middle C) and while the keys I need are all there, the last 2 keys don't play what they should; they show on the display as 8va and the app won't recognize that I am playing the correct keys. So it's a bit of a bummer and I just overlooked it for now as it is the 1st piece that has happened to me, but I think it's somewhat of a hint that it may not be as long as I thought before I need to upgrade to a full 88 keys.

Anyone else having a go at some seasonal/Halloween tunes?
Posted By: LarryShone

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/27/18 07:23 PM

Hmm I've not heard of this piano marvel, what is involved? Is it free? (I have zero money to spend on lessons)
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/27/18 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Well, I knew it would happen eventually.... I've been playing about 15 months and I finally ran out of keys! I bought a 61-key keyboard figuring it would take me awhile to get to the point where I was moving so far up and down the keyboard to need those extra keys. Last night I was trying out one of the new Halloween pieces that they uploaded just for something different, and the first several measures are to be played both hands in a bass position (below middle C) and while the keys I need are all there, the last 2 keys don't play what they should; they show on the display as 8va and the app won't recognize that I am playing the correct keys. So it's a bit of a bummer and I just overlooked it for now as it is the 1st piece that has happened to me, but I think it's somewhat of a hint that it may not be as long as I thought before I need to upgrade to a full 88 keys.

Actually, if the keys are there on your keyboard, but they aren't being recognized, that isn't a number of keys issue. That sounds like a bug and you might report it, if resynchronizing (setting up again) the keyboard doesn't solve. I can try it out on my 88-key keyboard and see what I find if you let me know the name.

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Anyone else having a go at some seasonal/Halloween tunes?

Not yet for me. I've been caught up in regular piano lessons and haven't even turned on PM in a while.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/27/18 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by LarryShone
Hmm I've not heard of this piano marvel, what is involved? Is it free? (I have zero money to spend on lessons)


It's free for 30 days and then its subscription based either through the website or ipad app (the subscription through the app is like $11.99 a month I think). it connects via midi connection to your keyboard or digital piano. you play along with the exercises/pieces and it grades you and measures correct or incorrect notes. it does not measure duration or dynamics, but I'm mostly using it for getting my note recognition and playing speed improved. it does have an sight reading assessment test that you can take and a Library of popular pieces that you can learn.
Posted By: LarryShone

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 09/27/18 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Originally Posted by LarryShone
Hmm I've not heard of this piano marvel, what is involved? Is it free? (I have zero money to spend on lessons)


It's free for 30 days and then its subscription based either through the website or ipad app (the subscription through the app is like $11.99 a month I think). it connects via midi connection to your keyboard or digital piano. you play along with the exercises/pieces and it grades you and measures correct or incorrect notes. it does not measure duration or dynamics, but I'm mostly using it for getting my note recognition and playing speed improved. it does have an sight reading assessment test that you can take and a Library of popular pieces that you can learn.

Ah, I don't have an apple product and I don't use MIDI. Oh well.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 10/13/18 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by LarryShone

Ah, I don't have an apple product and I don't use MIDI. Oh well.


I've been on holiday so didn't see this when first posted.

You don't need any apple product - it works well with windows.

If your piano is the Celviano in the picture in your sig, then it will have a USB Host Port. You can very cheaply get a usb host to normal usb cable (they are often used for connecting to printers) and then connect the piano into the usb port of your computer (or laptop - thats most convenient because you put it on top of your piano). It will then work more or less straight out the box. You go to the piano marvel web site and down load their app with will get you up and running

I bought a years subscription nearly a year ago for $99 (I let the 30 day free trial run to almost the end before purchasing it) which translated to £76.09 on my credit card.

I haven't used it much in the last couple of months (after getting to level 6 with 100% on every thing before it) as I much prefer to learn and play from paper music, but I still do the sight reading tests. I am debating with myself whether to renew the subscription when its due. I probably will just for sight reading.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 10/24/18 03:00 PM

I love the new library, it's so much more clear. You too?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 10/24/18 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I love the new library, it's so much more clear. You too?

Sarah65, welcome back! Are you and your husband faring better now health-wise?

Yes, I'm much happier with the library, and the musical notation improvements are nice too. More then one finger can now be notated on a single stem (previously, if you uploaded a piece with two finger notations on a single note stem, they would appear one over-printing the other. Hairpins now appear on scores too. It's great!
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 10/24/18 09:01 PM

I like it too. It also helps that I've been connecting through my laptop instead my iPad. The 'prepare' feature isn't available on the iPad app.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 10/26/18 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
I love the new library, it's so much more clear. You too?

Sarah65, welcome back! Are you and your husband faring better now health-wise?

Yes, I'm much happier with the library, and the musical notation improvements are nice too. More then one finger can now be notated on a single stem (previously, if you uploaded a piece with two finger notations on a single note stem, they would appear one over-printing the other. Hairpins now appear on scores too. It's great!


Thank you Tyrone, my husband is ok now, revalidation is finished and he is good now. Me is something else...must have operation, but I want to wait , maybe it goes away wink Still lots of pain and max 15 min on piano...now I practice the notes in my head in my bed laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/05/18 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I tried MuseScore but it looks like they did away with the .xml export.

Just wanted to pass the following message on to anyone left on PW still using Piano Marvel that I just received from Piano Marvel Tech Support:
Quote
Thanks for reaching out. Our platform is now currently able to handle uploading music from MuseScore. If you have any issues, please let us know.
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Piano Marvel Team
https://www.musicmarvel.com/support

So whereas it was necessary before to use an old version of Musescore with Piano Marvel for compatibility reasons, it is now safe to upgrade MuseScore and any issues that arise will be solved by Tech Support. thumb yippie
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/05/18 10:12 PM


----------
Piano Marvel Team
https://www.musicmarvel.com/support[/quote]
So whereas it was necessary before to use an old version of Musescore with Piano Marvel for compatibility reasons, it is now safe to upgrade MuseScore and any issues that arise will be solved by Tech Support. thumb yippie[/quote]

Great laugh
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/05/18 10:59 PM

I would like to learn how to go about doing that.

Are you manually keying in your score? Does the PDF conversion work?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/05/18 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I would like to learn how to go about doing that.

Are you manually keying in your score? Does the PDF conversion work?

Aye. I will explain later this evening after my practice wink. Or you can check your PM (private messages) on this forum because you were included in a PM thread from this past April which explained this wink
More later.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/06/18 12:53 AM

Oh right!!! I totally forgot about that! I'll go back and check that out. Thanks!!
Posted By: Halaa

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/06/18 05:13 PM

I've been very much enjoying the program and am picking up sight reading at a rather quick pace! My only harrumph so far is when you are required to play at a very slow 40bpm tempo in method. I find I make more mistakes with a slower tempo than I do with a faster tempo! I'm not sure if it's that I've got trigger fingers, but I have been manually changing the tempo to 60 in those exercises to save myself some sanity. whistle
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/06/18 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Oh right!!! I totally forgot about that! I'll go back and check that out. Thanks!!

First:
  • Go to https://musescore.org/en
  • Click the free download button
  • Chose the correct version to download MuseScore for your computer (do not select the alpha release of MuseScore 3)
  • Install

When you start MuseScore, you can go to the File menu and select the "Import PDF" option. This actually opens the musescore.com site where you have to have created a free account. Log yourself in. Then follow the steps to upload a PDF of the score you want to have converted to MuseScore format. After you have selected the file, it is queued up for the online conversion process which takes some time. Meanwhile the Musescore.com page will update ever few seconds until the conversion process is complete. When the conversion is done, you will get a download link for a MuseScore mscz file.

Open the mscz file in Musescore. Sometimes there are error message when you try to open this file. The conversion process doesn't go totally smoothly always. You can either clean up the PDF a bit (trim off covers and excess text on the borders of the music), and try the conversion again or just ignore the errors and move on to the next step.

When you have opened the file in Musescore, you can further edit and clean the file. Music notation editing in Musescore is beyond the scope of my quick intro to uploading music to Piano Marvel wink but you can find videos on YouTube on this if you don't want to use the MuseScore manuals.

Here are two big editing rules that I've always used because of previous problems with uploading in Piano Marvel:
  • Repeats don't work in Piano Marvel (at least they didn't before). So I always take repeated sections, and sections indicated by DC al fine, and I just duplicate them manually in Piano Marvel.
  • Numeric tempo indications of the "quarter note = 120" sort do not work in Piano Marvel (at least they didn't before). Delete all of these from the score. You will set the default tempo for the piece in Piano Marvel in another way.

There used to be other "gotchas", but many of them may have gone away. They've really improved the process in the last few months as evidenced by the fact that the current release of MuseScore now works with PianoMarvel. Things which didn't work before, like hairpins for dynamics, now work. More than one finger notation for notes sharing a single stem now appear, but there are still some glitches. Sometimes the note itself overlaps the finger notation. I assume these bugs will get addressed with time. Ok, back to using this score in Piano Marvel.

After the score is the way you want it, check for correctness either by playing it in Musescore (hit the little right triangle button at top of score) or exporting an MP3 file you can play in your media player. When you've confirmed that all is fine, besides saving your product in the native Musescore format (.mscz), go to File in the menu and choose export. You will export two additional version of this file: A "Standard MIDI File (*.mid)" and an "Uncompressed MusicXML File (*.musicxml)". Optionally, you can also export a PDF file as it is also possible to upload that to Piano Marvel, but this isn't necessary. I don't bother for quick-and-dirty uploads just to practice something.

Now log in "to practice" on Piano Marvel.
  • Go to the Library.
  • Click the "Upload button" (it is lower left of screen on new interface or upper right of screen on old interface)
  • At the lower left is the button "+ Upload New Song Beta". Click that.
  • Complete the left side of the "New Song" window. Here is where you can set the default tempo for Piano Marvel. You can only use tempos from 30 to 240bpm. At a minimum, you'll need to fill in song title and composer.
  • Now complete the right side. The 2 important fields on the right are the first two. "MIDI File" and "Music XML File". Select the two files you exported above in each of the respective fields. The other fields are all optional. If you want to save a piece and come back to it, or if you want to share your upload with other Piano Marvel users, then you can fill these in, if you want.
  • Click the Save button at the bottom of the window.
  • Now you can go back into the library and try it out (it will be in the "Favorites" tab on the new interface) or you can click on the circled pencil icon in the 6th column of the upload window (lower left of Upload window) to create or edit the practice mode (add some chopping and mincing of the song to play/practice only certain hands or certain measures). To do that, you can check out both this Youtube video and this second video, which explain this in detail. Although the first video is a year old, I don't believe anything has changed with respect to this practice mode editing feature. Be sure to follow the directions in the second video carefully. There are things you can't do like use a "point" of zero, etc. which the 2nd video will cover.

That's it. Let me know if this works for you.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/06/18 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Halaa
My only harrumph so far is when you are required to play at a very slow 40bpm tempo in method. I find I make more mistakes with a slower tempo than I do with a faster tempo!

I would be surprised if other people don't experience the same thing with a tempo slower than a certain point. I bet that's why some teachers (and some top pianists like Vladimir Horowitz) have either advocated, or themselves practiced, super slow practice. I saw one suggestion of playing things you want to learn thoroughly (like scales and arpeggios) occasionally at a tempo of 15bpm per quarter note because, "normally playing more slowly makes things easier, but when the tempo gets this slow, your mind can start to play tricks...you'll have 4 seconds [for each quarter note] to doubt, to wonder, to question..." Obviously one side effect of such slow tempos is you can't rely on your muscle memory at all. Your muscles have a super short attention span. Play notes at this tempo has to totally come from your head.

I have read that Horowitz would sometimes slow down to the pace of 20 seconds per measure during his practice.
Posted By: Halaa

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/07/18 12:21 AM

15bpm? I do not have the patience for that. It could be very good but I know that I would not enjoy my practice sessions at all if I had to trudge through that!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/07/18 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
occasionally at a tempo of 15bpm

Originally Posted by Halaa
15bpm? I do not have the patience for that. It could be very good but I know that I would not enjoy my practice sessions at all if I had to trudge through that!

I hear you! I hate that speed to. But the suggestion was for "occasionally", not all the time. I still hate it even so and have only done it a few times myself. I think it does do something, but I'm not sure what. confused
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/07/18 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Halaa
I've been very much enjoying the program and am picking up sight reading at a rather quick pace! My only harrumph so far is when you are required to play at a very slow 40bpm tempo in method. I find I make more mistakes with a slower tempo than I do with a faster tempo! I'm not sure if it's that I've got trigger fingers, but I have been manually changing the tempo to 60 in those exercises to save myself some sanity. whistle


Same here, in practice mode I skip the slowest version because I fail it every time. Only when the fingering is difficult I use the "prepare"...and then the slow.
Posted By: Halaa

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/07/18 05:19 PM

So I have a message on my Piano Marvel today saying I have a free 30 day trial of premium with 21 days left, and have access to 2000 songs. However when I go to the library, almost everything is still locked. Anyone else having this?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/07/18 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Halaa
So I have a message on my Piano Marvel today saying I have a free 30 day trial of premium with 21 days left, and have access to 2000 songs. However when I go to the library, almost everything is still locked. Anyone else having this?

I'm a subscriber so I don't get this message. You can send a message to customer support and they will get back to you within 24 hours or so.
Posted By: Halaa

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/07/18 08:06 PM

Thanks! I found them on Facebook and shot them a message, they respond quickly. I have sent my issue and I hope for a quick response..I don't need the unlocked library, but it would be fun to see everything they have to offer! They have loads of Disney songs that definitely interest me grin
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/08/18 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Halaa
Thanks! I found them on Facebook and shot them a message, they respond quickly. I have sent my issue and I hope for a quick response..I don't need the unlocked library, but it would be fun to see everything they have to offer! They have loads of Disney songs that definitely interest me grin

I remeber the first days on Marvel, i could see all the songs, but play only the free ones. Do you use the new library or the old one? New one has tabs, click "all" ?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/08/18 11:38 AM

Hi guys, I found a great exercise in the library. "Piano Method 2E" Ideal for beginners or people who have problems reading notes smile They are flascards left and right hand but at an insane speed. Definitely give it a try, I did 2 days before I had the first two exercises 100% in every speed pfffffffff, so hard.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/11/18 12:51 PM

@Tyrone, I see you as the specialist in uploading music, hence the question. Is it possible to also upload background music, like in the lessons of Marvel? Or can you send that question to the technical staff? I tried to give the orchestra accompaniment as a MIDI file, and then as XML the piano notes, but that does not work frown
Thanks for the help.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/11/18 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
@Tyrone, I see you as the specialist in uploading music, hence the question. Is it possible to also upload background music, like in the lessons of Marvel? Or can you send that question to the technical staff? I tried to give the orchestra accompaniment as a MIDI file, and then as XML the piano notes, but that does not work frown
Thanks for the help.

Yes, this works. Just yesterday, I was doing a 4-handed duet that was breaking my head trying to learn it. I've only ever tried it when both the piano part and anything else is on the same score. I create a midi file of the entire thing and uploaded just the MusicXML file for one part but the MIDI file for both. It works fine. I've shared it with you in PM just now. Take a look yourself. I can email you the original Musescore version of the score too if you want to try it for yourself.
Posted By: Angelos58

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 05:38 AM

Tyrone Slothrop thank you very much.

It's a shame that PianoMarvel Administrator doesn't allow to try the xml upload option if you are not a premium member.

Could you, please, tell me how work the Right and Left Hand function with your xml upload?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Angelos58
Tyrone Slothrop thank you very much.

It's a shame that PianoMarvel Administrator doesn't allow to try the xml upload option if you are not a premium member.

Yeah, this is clearly a premium feature. It's a very powerful feature too. It literally is the only feature I've used in PM for the last 4 months or so. I continue to subscribe because of this feature. In my book, it is an incredible practice feature, and is worth the couple of dollars a month it costs to keep my PM account alive for this feature.

Originally Posted by Angelos58
Could you, please, tell me how work the Right and Left Hand function with your xml upload?

If I understand you correctly, you are asking how one would "mince" a piece so you can practice hands separate, right? Well, taking my example of a piece with some background music which I discussed with Sarah65 above:
  • Go to the library
  • Click on the "Upload" button (either lower left or upper right depending on which interface you are using)
  • On the Upload window, either use the "+ Upload New Song Beta" button on the lower left to upload a new piece, or edit a piece you've already uploaded by clicking on the the circled pencil icon in the 6th column of the piece you want to edit (you can only edit pieces you uploaded yourself)
  • You will then see the edit song window (it will be called "New Song" when you are uploading the piece for the first time, although it will be almost, but not exactly identical - won't have the "XML Key Signature" field).
    [Linked Image]
  • After setting up the left and right of this window to you satisfaction, you can click on the "Create or Edit Practice Mode" button on the lower right. You then end up in the edit exercises window.
    [Linked Image]
  • To add a minced exercise (hands separate practice), click on the "+Add Exercise" button on the lower left of the "Minced" column on the right. You are now in the "Edit Exercise" window (also called "New Exercise" if you are making a new exercise). See below. As you can see below, you can set up some things for your exercise, including 3 different tempi to use and whether the exercise is for left hand, right hand, or both. You can set up the starting point and ending point of the exercise (points are not beats, but similar - see the videos I linked above in my message to GidgetKeys, for fuller explanation). In the example below, I created a simple exercise with measures 1 & 2, for my right hand only, and with 3 different tempi.
    [Linked Image]
  • Click on the "Save" button at the bottom and you return to the "Edit Exercises" window where you can see the new exercise you created.
    [Linked Image]
  • When done with all exercises, click the "Done" button at the bottom of the "Edit Exercises" window, and the "Save" button on the "Edit Song" window.

That's it.
Posted By: Angelos58

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 06:41 AM

Thank you very much again.

But, the Right Hand could be part on violin staff and part on bass staff. How can PianoMarvel knows that?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Angelos58
Thank you very much again.

But, the Right Hand could be part on violin staff and part on bass staff. How can PianoMarvel knows that?

Pretty sure it is not true right hand vs left hand but only upper staff vs lower staff. In my example, since is a piano duet for 4-hands, both of the staves for the Primo part are treble clefs. But you can send a message to Tech Support and ask.

I don't believe MusicXML format actually has an official notation convention for left vs right hand notes, so I don't think there is any way for PM to know for sure besides using the upper vs lower staff convention.

That said, if this was important to me, I would use MuseScore to just move any notes on the wrong clef (for example, a left hand note on the upper clef) to the right clef associated with the handedness. This sort of score tweaking is nothing new in working with PM. I already described to GidgetKeys above how repeat sections have to be duplicated, for example, because of limitations of PM - repeats don't work (yet).
Posted By: Angelos58

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 07:12 AM

Thank you, but if I assign, instead of change clef, all hand right notes to one midi channel and all left hand notes to another midi channel .....
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Angelos58
Thank you, but if I assign, instead of change clef, all hand right notes to one midi channel and all left hand notes to another midi channel .....

You should ask PM Tech Support. My guess is the MIDI file is only used for the background music. Otherwise if this weren't true, then my example to Sarah65 would just not work. (My example being having MIDI file with background music and notes that were not in the MusicXML file.) So my guess is that if you did that, it would play and PM would otherwise ignore which notes were in which channel. Again, ask PM about this, but this is my guess based on evidence I've seen (such as having a Secondo part full of notes in the MIDI file but not in the MusicXML file in the example I gave Sarah65).
Posted By: Angelos58

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 07:26 AM

Very kind of you, I'll ask PM Tech Support.
Posted By: Angelos58

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 01:36 PM

PianoMarvel answer:
"So you will need to put the higher line into the right hand part in a notation software. It makes it harder to read but that’s how it can be possible in Piano Marvel"
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Angelos58
PianoMarvel answer:
"So you will need to put the higher line into the right hand part in a notation software. It makes it harder to read but that’s how it can be possible in Piano Marvel"

Haha. I guessed right! grin I should be doing PM tech support at this point! LOL
Posted By: Angelos58

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/12/18 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Angelos58
PianoMarvel answer:
"So you will need to put the higher line into the right hand part in a notation software. It makes it harder to read but that’s how it can be possible in Piano Marvel"

Haha. I guessed right! grin I should be doing PM tech support at this point! LOL



Yes, thank you.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/13/18 12:32 PM

My practice corner, Beethoven is my only fan :p

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Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/13/18 12:45 PM

Wow! Great space! Love your wall charts!
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 11/13/18 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Wow! Great space! Love your wall charts!


Thank you. My husband has made that for me, I always had problems with the ledgerlines. Now I look up and I know where to go. Especially that middle page underneath is a great help. I always searched for symetry in the notes reading and never found it until I came across this on the Internet. Treble C and G and Bass C and F are indeed Symetrisch placed on the lines. smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/18/18 08:10 PM

Rider fast in Level 3 E is killing me, anyone have any tips or suggestions? Its the last one for level 3...I want it finished this year smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/18/18 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Rider fast in Level 3 E is killing me, anyone have any tips or suggestions? Its the last one for level 3...I want it finished this year smile

Good to see you are still plugging away at this! What are you having trouble with? The transition from measure 8 to 9?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/19/18 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Rider fast in Level 3 E is killing me, anyone have any tips or suggestions? Its the last one for level 3...I want it finished this year smile

Good to see you are still plugging away at this! What are you having trouble with? The transition from measure 8 to 9?

More from 16 to 17, I miss always the low F to do the chords again. And my left hand has a will of its own :p
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/19/18 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Rider fast in Level 3 E is killing me, anyone have any tips or suggestions? Its the last one for level 3...I want it finished this year smile

Good to see you are still plugging away at this! What are you having trouble with? The transition from measure 8 to 9?

More from 16 to 17, I miss always the low F to do the chords again. And my left hand has a will of its own :p

Oh, I remember this smile

Yes, I just highlighted in PM only measures 16 & 17 and just played only those two measures at various increasing tempos with LH only and hands together (HT), as well as with increasing tempos, and also by not looking at my hands. I think after doing only those two measures for about 30 mins, and not looking at my hands, my problem was solved when playing the entire thing at tempo. In my case, looking at my hands at the critical point of the transition cluttered my mind and made me miss on the first beat of 17 (I'd over- or undershoot). Not looking at my hands and using proprioception kept my mind clutter-free at full tempo. After I had these two bars wired, in expanding to the full piece, I then tried to get bars 15-18 wired, and bars 14-19, by expanding the highlighted measures in two discrete steps. After 14-19, I was able to do the entire piece.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/20/18 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Oh, I remember this smile

Yes, I just highlighted in PM only measures 16 & 17 and just played only those two measures at various increasing tempos with LH only and hands together (HT), as well as with increasing tempos, and also by not looking at my hands. I think after doing only those two measures for about 30 mins, and not looking at my hands, my problem was solved when playing the entire thing at tempo. In my case, looking at my hands at the critical point of the transition cluttered my mind and made me miss on the first beat of 17 (I'd over- or undershoot). Not looking at my hands and using proprioception kept my mind clutter-free at full tempo. After I had these two bars wired, in expanding to the full piece, I then tried to get bars 15-18 wired, and bars 14-19, by expanding the highlighted measures in two discrete steps. After 14-19, I was able to do the entire piece.


Many thanks, I recognize the problem now, normally I never look at my fingers, but at such a great displacement I do that automatically and then I am afraid of where my fingers are located, done with playing frown. I'm going to try your trick, I still have about 11 days, that should succeed. I also pasted a small piece of coloured tape on the low F, then I find it quicker again if I look at it again. Its hard....level 4A seems lighter. smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/20/18 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Many thanks, I recognize the problem now, normally I never look at my fingers, but at such a great displacement I do that automatically and then I am afraid of where my fingers are located, done with playing frown. I'm going to try your trick, I still have about 11 days, that should succeed. I also pasted a small piece of coloured tape on the low F, then I find it quicker again if I look at it again. Its hard....level 4A seems lighter. smile

You should try it without looking at the tape. I missed a lot, but certainly after 30 mins, I was able to get it 90% of the time without looking away from the score/screen, just by training my proprioception "sense" for those 30 mins through sheer repetition. Not looking at all made it go so much smoother. Because I would miss alot during my "training" is also the reason I narrowed my practice window in PM to only those two measures. So I could do over and over and over again.

BTW, I found when I thought about it (but didn't look), I would sometimes miss, but when I didn't think about it and just moved my hand (without looking), I would 90% of the hit the right note. I think this shows that it is possible to overthink some things.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/21/18 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You should try it without looking at the tape. I missed a lot, but certainly after 30 mins, I was able to get it 90% of the time without looking away from the score/screen, just by training my proprioception "sense" for those 30 mins through sheer repetition. Not looking at all made it go so much smoother. Because I would miss alot during my "training" is also the reason I narrowed my practice window in PM to only those two measures. So I could do over and over and over again.

BTW, I found when I thought about it (but didn't look), I would sometimes miss, but when I didn't think about it and just moved my hand (without looking), I would 90% of the hit the right note. I think this shows that it is possible to overthink some things.


Note to myself, remove tape. laugh Yesterday I got 82% in fast, not bad. I don't really dare to not look at my hands because the pressure is too big. It's the last piece of level 3 where I have to pick up 100%, I don't want to miss that by not looking. I'm going to use your advice and try it in practice mode without looking, if it's for real I've got all the direction of my hand float right. I found an interesting YouTube about watching music/hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVvY8KfXXgE Look all the way because only about half of it is about sheet music. In which level of Marvel are you already?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/21/18 12:08 PM

I found a way (not looking), at the end of mesure 16 finger 4 is on the low C; I tuck my thumb under it on the C and then pink comes automaticly (finger 5) on low F....and now full speed laugh
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/21/18 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I found a way (not looking), at the end of mesure 16 finger 4 is on the low C; I tuck my thumb under it on the C and then pink comes automaticly (finger 5) on low F....and now full speed laugh


Oh! that's good to know. I'm not that far yet but I'm going to keep that in mind for when I get there.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/21/18 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I found a way (not looking), at the end of mesure 16 finger 4 is on the low C; I tuck my thumb under it on the C and then pink comes automaticly (finger 5) on low F....and now full speed laugh

This is good you found a way to do it, but check that to do this stretch with thumb, you aren't having to twist/turn your hand. My teacher said when I was doing it on Clementi sonatina, that long stretches like this which require you to turn/twist hand are definitely not preferred for the reason of form and it is better to lift up your hand and place it down in the new position. For this reason, if you find the thumb under results in you twisting/turning your hand, you might still want to just also practice the proprioception thing also a few times and see if you can get it done that way, since that is considered better form than any twisting/turning to use thumb under. Of course if you can't then give up and come back to it later. In general, I understood that small thumb unders are ok when there are no twisting/turning (when you do a scale), but any big stretches put your hand in an awkward position and are considered bad form.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 12:19 PM

I am back in the PianoMarvel world! After ten months of little playing and no instruction I am picking up where I left off. I think an interruption like that borders on criminally stupid but there's no going back in time. It was more work than I remembered but I have my monitor, mouse, keyboards, and everything set up for practice again. I also spent the better part of a day trying to get the software working again but I doubt if I could write a g-rated version of that! smile

I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just wanted to say I'm back. And I'm happy to see this thread is still alive.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
I found a way (not looking), at the end of mesure 16 finger 4 is on the low C; I tuck my thumb under it on the C and then pink comes automaticly (finger 5) on low F....and now full speed laugh

This is good you found a way to do it, but check that to do this stretch with thumb, you aren't having to twist/turn your hand. My teacher said when I was doing it on Clementi sonatina, that long stretches like this which require you to turn/twist hand are definitely not preferred for the reason of form and it is better to lift up your hand and place it down in the new position. For this reason, if you find the thumb under results in you twisting/turning your hand, you might still want to just also practice the proprioception thing also a few times and see if you can get it done that way, since that is considered better form than any twisting/turning to use thumb under. Of course if you can't then give up and come back to it later. In general, I understood that small thumb unders are ok when there are no twisting/turning (when you do a scale), but any big stretches put your hand in an awkward position and are considered bad form.


I have an extra problem with two feelingless fingers in my left hand, pink and ring finger. Moving the whole hand is not an option, because I don't feel where they are going to come down. I manage to do it, and I see no problem with rotating or stretching. It feels very natural to me, and at my age some more or less joint pain is also not a problem. Thanks for your concern though:) Today 96%... another trick I tried, play the song faster en then the normal speed (100) seems slower.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I am back in the PianoMarvel world! After ten months of little playing and no instruction I am picking up where I left off. I think an interruption like that borders on criminally stupid but there's no going back in time. It was more work than I remembered but I have my monitor, mouse, keyboards, and everything set up for practice again. I also spent the better part of a day trying to get the software working again but I doubt if I could write a g-rated version of that! smile

I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just wanted to say I'm back. And I'm happy to see this thread is still alive.



Welcom back smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 04:53 PM

Finaly yeah laugh


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Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Finaly yeah laugh

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Congrats! thumb yippie
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 05:55 PM

Congrats! I think I'm still in 3-D but I will get there.

I've only been back in for a day and I've already had to force myself to walk away. I am like a child on a video game with this software. I'll tell myself I'm going to try one more time to get 100% on a song or an exercise and an hour later I'm still saying one more time. The same exercises on paper would be torture for me. But there's something about seeing what I'm doing right & wrong without waiting a week to see my teacher that just makes me push on.

Now I'm not saying a person doesn't still need a teacher. I don't believe that for a second. It won't impart musicality to you. But it sure seems to help me (and I'll admit to being a sub-par music student) to learn to read.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 06:45 PM

Thank you supporters. I spent almost 3 weeks on "Rider" piece by continuing to try to get the 100% at full speed. The trick with increasing speed has helped a lot I think, at last I could even get at 130 Bpm still 95%, my fingers just did their thing and I didn't have time to think. And that's what you end up having to be able I think. Spontaneous play:) It is indeed a very addictive game, I also can't stop before I get the 100%, also in practice mode on every part. I've done it about 2 years to accomplish this, and now I'm going to enjoy a bit and upload songs I like and learn to play them. Next year we'll be fighting with level 4 laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
It won't impart musicality to you.

Yes, I'm actually shocked about this since it was created by a DMA student. I don't understand why there isn't even a single video on piano technique associated with PM. Perhaps this is a very jaded view on piano training on PM's part, somewhat similar to the view the creators of Synthesia must also have.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
... now I'm going to enjoy a bit and upload songs I like and learn to play them.


Have you looked at the library. There is so much there.

Have you participated in any of the challenges?

I did quite a bit in the Christmas one and in the hymn one.

Think I'll go back to the method section and see if I can make some progress towards completing level 3.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/22/18 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Originally Posted by Sarah65
... now I'm going to enjoy a bit and upload songs I like and learn to play them.


Have you looked at the library. There is so much there.

Have you participated in any of the challenges?

I did quite a bit in the Christmas one and in the hymn one.

Think I'll go back to the method section and see if I can make some progress towards completing level 3.


Library is to hard or to easy, I'm in the middle wink So i search on musescore a song I like and upload it in Marvel, much more fun.
I did the christmas challenge Rank 18 50 Club Vera A. 82 songs
Succes in level 3, its harder then level 4 .
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 03:36 PM

Wow, I spoke too soon about having it all ready. I had a beautiful setup but lost the room (ugly story). I have a little corner of the man cave that everything could just barely fit into but I knew it would be hard. None of the studs were where I needed them to be and it turned out that the corner is a Bermuda Triangle for WIFI. Worse, the only way to pull a network cable is to spend pull all the trim and curse for an entire day, though that last part may just be an Irish thing. I'm not a fan of powerline adapters but I ended up using one here and I eventually got a rock solid internet connection. I still have a rat's nest of cabling showing through the back of the piano but that can wait. I am going to practice and enjoy myself for a while...

(Not sure this image is going to display but here goes nothing.)
[img]https://qs4w1a.bn.files.1drv.com/y4...jXJ9KphUcTvw/20181223_101806a.jpg?psid=1[/img]
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 03:47 PM

I recognize the problem, I have to sacrifice a bed here in the spare room to be able to install my piano. My piano has a back wall so the cables are not visible. Your picture is almost identical. My pc speakers are black thoug :p Enjoy!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Wow, I spoke too soon about having it all ready. I had a beautiful setup but lost the room (ugly story). I have a little corner of the man cave that everything could just barely fit into but I knew it would be hard. None of the studs were where I needed them to be and it turned out that the corner is a Bermuda Triangle for WIFI. Worse, the only way to pull a network cable is to spend pull all the trim and curse for an entire day, though that last part may just be an Irish thing. I'm not a fan of powerline adapters but I ended up using one here and I eventually got a rock solid internet connection. I still have a rat's nest of cabling showing through the back of the piano but that can wait. I am going to practice and enjoy myself for a while...

(Not sure this image is going to display but here goes nothing.)
[img]https://qs4w1a.bn.files.1drv.com/y4...jXJ9KphUcTvw/20181223_101806a.jpg?psid=1[/img]

Wow. That is red. Yep. red. wink I guess you are a rougeophile, eh? smile

(BTW, the reason the link didn't display is because it didn't end in a normal graphic file extension (jpg, gif, etc) but ended with "psid=1". If you had deleted the "?psid=1" from the end of the URL, it would have worked smile )
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 04:04 PM

A practical question, I would like to practice with headphones. The problem is that the music of Marvel comes from the speakers of the PC and the digital piano has its own speakers. So I have to choose, and I can't because I have to hear both of them. Someone a solution? Maybe software program or so?
Posted By: Osho

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
A practical question, I would like to practice with headphones. The problem is that the music of Marvel comes from the speakers of the PC and the digital piano has its own speakers. So I have to choose, and I can't because I have to hear both of them. Someone a solution? Maybe software program or so?

If your digital piano has Line In - you can route the speaker output of PC into the Line In of digital piano and then use the headphones with the digital piano. Be careful to make sure that Line In volume is not so high that it can damage the digital piano speakers.

Osho
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
A practical question, I would like to practice with headphones. The problem is that the music of Marvel comes from the speakers of the PC and the digital piano has its own speakers. So I have to choose, and I can't because I have to hear both of them. Someone a solution? Maybe software program or so?

I have exactly solved this problem for myself smile

What I do is to use this cute and inexpensive thing:
[Linked Image]
...combined with some cables and adapters. If you want to do the same, tell me the size of the plug on your headphones and the size of the sockets on your piano and your computer, and I can give you some details on the hookup.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Osho
Originally Posted by Sarah65
A practical question, I would like to practice with headphones. The problem is that the music of Marvel comes from the speakers of the PC and the digital piano has its own speakers. So I have to choose, and I can't because I have to hear both of them. Someone a solution? Maybe software program or so?

If your digital piano has Line In - you can route the speaker output of PC into the Line In of digital piano and then use the headphones with the digital piano. Be careful to make sure that Line In volume is not so high that it can damage the digital piano speakers.

Osho

Yes, true. Sadly, my particular DP (FP-30) doesn't have a line-in so I have had to resort to an external mixer.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Wow, I spoke too soon about having it all ready. I had a beautiful setup but lost the room (ugly story). I have a little corner of the man cave that everything could just barely fit into but I knew it would be hard. None of the studs were where I needed them to be and it turned out that the corner is a Bermuda Triangle for WIFI. Worse, the only way to pull a network cable is to spend pull all the trim and curse for an entire day, though that last part may just be an Irish thing. I'm not a fan of powerline adapters but I ended up using one here and I eventually got a rock solid internet connection. I still have a rat's nest of cabling showing through the back of the piano but that can wait. I am going to practice and enjoy myself for a while...

(Not sure this image is going to display but here goes nothing.)
[img]https://qs4w1a.bn.files.1drv.com/y4...jXJ9KphUcTvw/20181223_101806a.jpg?psid=1[/img]

Wow. That is red. Yep. red. wink I guess you are a rougeophile, eh? smile

(BTW, the reason the link didn't display is because it didn't end in a normal graphic file extension (jpg, gif, etc) but ended with "psid=1". If you had deleted the "?psid=1" from the end of the URL, it would have worked smile )

I prefer 'freak of nature' but I'll accept rougeophile since I like you. smile

Lemme try this again.
[Linked Image]
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Lemme try this again.

Yep worked. And so that others not really interested in Piano Marvel but who would also appreciate and marvel (pun intended) in the rougeophile you, you might crosspost this also this thread smile
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
A practical question, I would like to practice with headphones. The problem is that the music of Marvel comes from the speakers of the PC and the digital piano has its own speakers. So I have to choose, and I can't because I have to hear both of them. Someone a solution? Maybe software program or so?


I use the same mixer as TS. PianoMarvel does have a feature that will let you turn the volume all the way down and hear everything through the PC, into which you plug headphones. I tried it but I disliked the generated MIDI piano sound so much that I bought the mixer.

If your piano has a line in I would definitely try that idea.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Lemme try this again.

Yep worked. And so that others not really interested in Piano Marvel but who would also appreciate and marvel (pun intended) in the rougeophile you, you might crosspost this also this thread smile


Yeah, no, that thread just makes me want things I don't need. My discarded computer hardware and low end piano would only depress those folks. But make no mistake, I am content with what I have. It ain't the hardware holding me back.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65

I did the christmas challenge Rank 18 50 Club Vera A. 82 songs
Succes in level 3, its harder then level 4 .


I haven't gotten so far myself. Currently rank 51 in 40 club (Lana L.) But it's nice they extended it until.the 31st which I discovered today. Not that it matters but it gives me something to work on.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/23/18 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by Sarah65
A practical question, I would like to practice with headphones. The problem is that the music of Marvel comes from the speakers of the PC and the digital piano has its own speakers. So I have to choose, and I can't because I have to hear both of them. Someone a solution? Maybe software program or so?


I use the same mixer as TS. PianoMarvel does have a feature that will let you turn the volume all the way down and hear everything through the PC, into which you plug headphones. I tried it but I disliked the generated MIDI piano sound so much that I bought the mixer.

If your piano has a line in I would definitely try that idea.

Same here, that virtual piano thing in Marvel is terrible.
Posted By: Histe

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/24/18 07:08 AM

For a less technical set up I used over the ear headphones hooked to my piano and in ear ones connected to the PC. It is not the comfiest but is 100% silent. I currently do not have a pianomarvel subscription as practising what my teacher recommends plus “life” don’t leave with enough free time but this is what I did when I had one.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/24/18 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Originally Posted by Sarah65

I did the christmas challenge Rank 18 50 Club Vera A. 82 songs
Succes in level 3, its harder then level 4 .


I haven't gotten so far myself. Currently rank 51 in 40 club (Lana L.) But it's nice they extended it until.the 31st which I discovered today. Not that it matters but it gives me something to work on.


I noticed that after the Christmas challenge my sight reading was very much improved. You learn to use other notes than just F and G key. Definitely do further, have fun.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/24/18 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Osho
Originally Posted by Sarah65
A practical question, I would like to practice with headphones. The problem is that the music of Marvel comes from the speakers of the PC and the digital piano has its own speakers. So I have to choose, and I can't because I have to hear both of them. Someone a solution? Maybe software program or so?

If your digital piano has Line In - you can route the speaker output of PC into the Line In of digital piano and then use the headphones with the digital piano. Be careful to make sure that Line In volume is not so high that it can damage the digital piano speakers.

Osho

Yes, true. Sadly, my particular DP (FP-30) doesn't have a line-in so I have had to resort to an external mixer.


I found aux in-out on the back of my piano...next to the midi. Can I use that? Connect it to my computer?
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/24/18 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Osho
Originally Posted by Sarah65
A practical question, I would like to practice with headphones. The problem is that the music of Marvel comes from the speakers of the PC and the digital piano has its own speakers. So I have to choose, and I can't because I have to hear both of them. Someone a solution? Maybe software program or so?

If your digital piano has Line In - you can route the speaker output of PC into the Line In of digital piano and then use the headphones with the digital piano. Be careful to make sure that Line In volume is not so high that it can damage the digital piano speakers.

Osho

Yes, true. Sadly, my particular DP (FP-30) doesn't have a line-in so I have had to resort to an external mixer.


I found aux in-out on the back of my piano...next to the midi. Can I use that? Connect it to my computer?


I think the process would be to turn the sound level on the PC all the way down, connect the PC headphone jack to aux-in, then start playing PM on the PC while carefully raising the sound level on the PC until you can hear PM and the piano equally well. If it works you might not need a mixer.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/24/18 12:51 PM

A Christmas present for all of my piano Marvel friends on the forum. I asked the Marvel team last if it was not possible to share an entire folder instead of 1 song. And it can now. With this I share my Favorites folder, from Level 1 to 7 with all those who want it. Everything chopped and minced. Please send your email address (the one you use to log in in Marvel) in private message. They are songs that I like, not too fast and not too difficult. Hope you like them, enjoy and Merry Christmas blush
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/24/18 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
A Christmas present for all of my piano Marvel friends on the forum. I asked the Marvel team last if it was not possible to share an entire folder instead of 1 song. And it can now. With this I share my Favorites folder, from Level 1 to 7 with all those who want it. Everything chopped and minced. Please send your email address (the one you use to log in in Marvel) in private message. They are songs that I like, not too fast and not too difficult. Hope you like them, enjoy and Merry Christmas blush

Do share Sarah65 smile ! You have my email already. Merry Christmas!
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 12/24/18 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci


I think the process would be to turn the sound level on the PC all the way down, connect the PC headphone jack to aux-in, then start playing PM on the PC while carefully raising the sound level on the PC until you can hear PM and the piano equally well. If it works you might not need a mixer.


Its working, I connect de piano on the pc with a jack, and now Marvel is sounding from the piano. I'm happy, thanks guys 3hearts
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/04/19 02:19 PM

About uploading songs, have you already found that a PDF you upload does not show up in your uploaded songs?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/04/19 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
About uploading songs, have you already found that a PDF you upload does not show up in your uploaded songs?

I've never had that happen to me. Could it be that you uploaded so many that the missing piece is rolled over to another page of the list of songs and hiding there? If not, sounds like you should submit a report to PM tech support.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/04/19 02:42 PM

I'm sorry, have they progressed to where you can upload a PDF now? Surely not...
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/04/19 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I'm sorry, have they progressed to where you can upload a PDF now? Surely not...

I had assumed Sarah65 was referring to uploading .musicxml and .midi files. But yes, unless the system just got upgraded and I didn't notice yet, the only PDF I've seen you can upload is simply one that the system links to so you can print out a copy of the sheet music you are playing.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/04/19 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I'm sorry, have they progressed to where you can upload a PDF now? Surely not...

I had assumed Sarah65 was referring to uploading .musicxml and .midi files. But yes, unless the system just got upgraded and I didn't notice yet, the only PDF I've seen you can upload is simply one that the system links to so you can print out a copy of the sheet music you are playing.



When uploading new song after midi , musicxml there is PDF (optional) In the past it was possible to upload the PDF and it was showing when you play the song . Now its no longer vissible. I ask PM tech support.
MIDI File
Music XML File
PDF (optional)
Thumbnail (optional)
Video URL (optional)
Video Title (optional)
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/05/19 12:14 PM

Well I definitely want to try uploading again. But unless they've made it a lot easier than it used to be it is going to wait until I feel like I'm back to where I was when I stopped PM.

Do you folks hit plateaus when doing the exercises? I'm only in level three and I really hit a wall. I've been stuck in both method and technique for 3-4 days. You can see where I was getting through at least one exercise a day and then bam! I finally got through one of them yesterday but I'm not 100% certain that it wasn't an instance where the computer just couldn't take any more.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/05/19 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Well I definitely want to try uploading again. But unless they've made it a lot easier than it used to be it is going to wait until I feel like I'm back to where I was when I stopped PM.

Once you have the piece in MuseScore, it takes about 3-4 mins to upload something. I do it all the time.

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Do you folks hit plateaus when doing the exercises? I'm only in level three and I really hit a wall. I've been stuck in both method and technique for 3-4 days. You can see where I was getting through at least one exercise a day and then bam! I finally got through one of them yesterday but I'm not 100% certain that it wasn't an instance where the computer just couldn't take any more.

Level 3 was pretty challenging. I finished in June 2018 but that is when I got a teacher and stopped doing anything with PM except uploading to practice with. Up to the level 3 halfway point, I was doing 5 method and 5 technique lessons everyday. Toward the very end of Level 3, I was lucky to do 1-3 of each every day. There were a few of the longer method pieces which each took 2-3 days to get to 100%. Sometimes I found that once I would get the slower version of such a piece to 100%, the faster version could hit 100% in 30 mins of trying it.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/05/19 02:46 PM

I got past both exercises. I know, 'got past' is bad 'tude but it's the best I can do. It was the first time I was in anything in PM long enough to get sick of the pieces. If I'm ever playing with friends and someone proposes that we play either Shoo Fly or Buffalo Gals I shall strike them!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/05/19 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
someone proposes that we play either Shoo Fly or Buffalo Gals I shall strike them!

I don't recall Buffalo Gals at all - I guess it didn't make much of an impression on me one way or the other - I may have lucked out on that one. I do vaguely recall Shoo Fly as a nasty piece of work.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/05/19 05:27 PM

I have level 3 everything 100% but it took me a lot of effort and 2 years with pauzes. Now in Level 4, the first 5 numbers are achievable but then comes "what a saw" and that is going to be skipped, bah what a horrible thing. Also the fast chords and scales I'm going to skip. It should stay enjoyable, I'd rather learn songs I like to hear, so I upload myself. The upload itself is no problem, but the mincing is terribly time consuming. I did barely two songs on an afternoon of about 60 messures.
Posted By: Angelos58

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 06:49 AM

mincing is very important. More time now, less time then.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 02:00 PM

I wanted to mention that I was astounded by the fact that there were 11,581 people that entered PM's Christmas Drawing and yet there are people (like me) who never entered - certainly I can't be the only PM subscribers who have never entered in any of PM's events and drawings.

Did anyone suspect that there are so many users of PM out there? I certainly didn't but perhaps I was thrown off by how few PM people are on this PW forum - there being a very small handful of us here...
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Did anyone suspect that there are so many users of PM out there? I certainly didn't but perhaps I was thrown off by how few PM people are on this PW forum - there being a very small handful of us here...


Well, I think you have to consider that the number is the number of entries, not the number of entrants. I myself had 46 entries and Sarah65 had 82. Also, how many children there are who partipate. All you had to do was complete a selection for an entry.

You can find the list on the Reports tab in the program in the drop down list.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I wanted to mention that I was astounded by the fact that there were 11,581 people that entered PM's Christmas Drawing and yet there are people (like me) who never entered - certainly I can't be the only PM subscribers who have never entered in any of PM's events and drawings.

Did anyone suspect that there are so many users of PM out there? I certainly didn't but perhaps I was thrown off by how few PM people are on this PW forum - there being a very small handful of us here...

I have noticed the same thing, I think on piano forum are few beginners, and the few out there have a private teacher I'm guessing. I asked the question in the Facebook chat to Marvel if there was no user group, and it is not there yet. They gave me the hint to start one. smile There is a teacher group under their control though. What do you think? Group startup and we both become administrator?
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 03:53 PM

I'll join if you decide to start one!
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 04:05 PM

Actually, it looks like there is already a group but it doesn't appear very active if at all. Maybe you could pm the administrator and if he just isn't interested anymore, perhaps he could turn it over to you. I've requested to join.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
What do you think? Group startup and we both become administrator?

Originally Posted by GidgetKey
I'll join if you decide to start one!

I would if I were using Facebook. I haven't used my FB account in about 6 years, except once a week to use the FB messenger app smile

BTW, I just reported a bug to PM last night. It seems that when uploading a cut time piece (2/2), the tempo should be based on the BPM of the half-note, but in PM, it still sets the tempo as the BPM of the quarter-note, same as it does for common time (4/4), for example. This is wrong. And makes the piece go twice as slowly as it is supposed to. Did either of you experience this?
Posted By: Angelos58

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 06:28 PM

In Piano Marvel BPM is ever in quarter note.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Angelos58
In Piano Marvel BPM is ever in quarter note.

This is actually musically incorrect, based on what I've read about tempo. Which is why I reported it as an error. Cut time has a half note pulse consisting of beats. Therefore the "beats" per minute should be for half notes in this case, not quarter notes. And certainly not quarter notes with no documentation or warnings being given that PM is deviating from the standard musical notation practice in assigning beats per minute (BPM).
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

BTW, I just reported a bug to PM last night. It seems that when uploading a cut time piece (2/2), the tempo should be based on the BPM of the half-note, but in PM, it still sets the tempo as the BPM of the quarter-note, same as it does for common time (4/4), for example. This is wrong. And makes the piece go twice as slowly as it is supposed to. Did either of you experience this?


You are right, I have already encountered it but had not linked it to Marvel tempo "only quarter notes". You can solve this by doubling tempo right? I always adjust it with upload. As for Facebook, I don't find a group of Marvel users. Because English is not my language I am not going to start a group. Maybe Gidgetkeys? wink
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Because English is not my language I am not going to start a group.

Your English is fine! I'm not a native English-user either smile I even have dual citizenship in a non-English speaking country where I grew up. smile I didn't learn English myself until I was already in the US. Yet, from what I see of your posts here, I think both you and I get along in English better than some English-language native speakers - here in the US, at least wink
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 08:36 PM

RIGHT or WRONG ?

Found this text on piano forum.
Quote "Here is a test: Spend a year exclusively with such a program (Marvel piano), then take out a plain old fashioned paper score and try to sight read it. If you can do it well, then all well and good the program is miraculous. But what is more likely to happen is you won't know what to do as the program had just about done everything for you before with the exception of prompting your finger to press the note. Worse, if you had been using a cursor or pointer passing over notes as you play and a scrolling score you will have taught your eyes to stay still and only focus on the cursor. This is the opposite to what you do when actually sight reading and you will have to retrain your eyes from the start just how to move properly. I also can't express in words the agony after a year with a program and your first "cold turkey" session of what it feels like to have no feedback or score."/quote

There is something of truth in I think, I myself read with sheet music "too short", note per note actually. While you should read ahead and not read what you are playing but the next line. That's why I regularly exchange Marvel with a book or printed sheet, not to grow a wrong way of reading.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
RIGHT or WRONG ?

Found this text on piano forum.
Quote "Here is a test: Spend a year exclusively with such a program (Marvel piano), then take out a plain old fashioned paper score and try to sight read it. If you can do it well, then all well and good the program is miraculous. But what is more likely to happen is you won't know what to do as the program had just about done everything for you before with the exception of prompting your finger to press the note. Worse, if you had been using a cursor or pointer passing over notes as you play and a scrolling score you will have taught your eyes to stay still and only focus on the cursor. This is the opposite to what you do when actually sight reading and you will have to retrain your eyes from the start just how to move properly. I also can't express in words the agony after a year with a program and your first "cold turkey" session of what it feels like to have no feedback or score."/quote

There is something of truth in I think, I myself read with sheet music "too short", note per note actually. While you should read ahead and not read what you are playing but the next line. That's why I regularly exchange Marvel with a book or printed sheet, not to grow a wrong way of reading.

I've never experienced this myself. But I can imagine how this might be the case for some people. It might depend on how you use Piano Marvel though.

Good idea though of practicing with a paper score too. I guess I am doing that myself since I am taking lessons. Sounds like the writer used 100% PM and then only used a paper score after a year of PM. That's a pretty extreme case, isn't it?
Posted By: mbpress01

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/06/19 09:19 PM

I am all in on piano marvel. I actually took many pieces from the Bach Anna Magdelana Notebook and had them notated in Finale and uploaded into Piano Marvel. As a result, I found my playing of these pieces to be a lot more fluid and the program allowed me to really drill the harder parts, especially the repeats. A few caveats though. I have a Skype teacher for over 2 years now who evaluates all my playing so any issues that Piano Marvel could develop are knocked out by my teacher. Second, I use three scores actually. One is Piano Marvel, the second is a Masterworks Palmer edition and finally I use an urtext.

Finally I think the real benefit of Piano Marvel is not their method or technique but actual repertoire that you work hands separate, then hands together at various tempos. The fact that you need perfect rythym has been a huge help for me. I think, on the other hand, a late intermediate pianist would benefit little since these late beginner intermediate issues are probably gone by the time you achieve this level.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/07/19 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Because English is not my language I am not going to start a group.

Your English is fine! I'm not a native English-user either smile I even have dual citizenship in a non-English speaking country where I grew up. smile I didn't learn English myself until I was already in the US. Yet, from what I see of your posts here, I think both you and I get along in English better than some English-language native speakers - here in the US, at least wink


thumb Google translate does the job laugh
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/07/19 04:52 PM

I'm testing a free trial of Musiah now...and guess what, you have to hold the whole notes long enough or it is wrong. Why not in piano Marvel? Its so much harder to play correct and hold notes frown And Marvel learned us bad habit, I never held a note. In Musiah you have to hold to the last beat.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/07/19 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
thumb Google translate does the job laugh

Haha!!! Now that's like cheating! grin

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I'm testing a free trial of Musiah now...and guess what, you have to hold the whole notes long enough or it is wrong. Why not in piano Marvel? Its so much harder to play correct and hold notes frown And Marvel learned us bad habit, I never held a note. In Musiah you have to hold to the last beat.

This is actually on purpose apparently. I complained about this issue to PM Tech Support about 11 months ago. Their response:
Quote
Thank you for your great suggestion! The original Piano Marvel software did score the duration of the notes that were held. We took that aspect out of the programming, because it is correct technique in piano to not hold the notes, and rely on the sostenuto pedal to sustain the notes and the sound. In much music it is impossible to hold the notes for the indicated duration because the composers knew the pianist would be using the pedal to hold. The composers were more concerned with the sound that was created than the notation perfection. Our focus should also be to creating the right sound as well. Great question. Have a Marvelous Day! smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/07/19 05:50 PM

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Wuustwezel Belgium

Off-topic, but I wanted to mention to you Sarah65, that on my summer vacation a few months ago, my wife and I visited Liège, and went up and down the 674-step Montagne de Bueren. eek whome wow
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/07/19 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Quote
Wuustwezel Belgium

Off-topic, but I wanted to mention to you Sarah65, that on my summer vacation a few months ago, my wife and I visited Liège, and went up and down the 674-step Montagne de Bueren. eek whome wow


Awesome, I never go there, speak no French :p

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You go Boy laugh
Posted By: Angelos58

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/08/19 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I'm testing a free trial of Musiah now...and guess what, you have to hold the whole notes long enough or it is wrong. Why not in piano Marvel? Its so much harder to play correct and hold notes frown And Marvel learned us bad habit, I never held a note. In Musiah you have to hold to the last beat.



This function was in PianoMarvel, but then it was given up because the opinions of the grater part of users.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/09/19 09:49 AM

Musiah after 2 days already deleted. So boring and annoying. I got crazy from that voice of "the teacher" who commented on everything. You also have no freedom to play what you want, you have to finish the whole list and get at least 80%. Now I realize how good and fun Marvel is. laugh

Playing "BIG C" level 4A now, such a fun song...like it a lot, not easy but just enough challenge.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/09/19 11:37 AM

Sigh, 4A huh? I think I will be put into the ground before I finish level 3. I'm convinced that struggle is good for the brain but it's taking a toll on me.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/09/19 12:48 PM

Still have a few exercises left in 3D. I get that the faster tempos are training to be able to move faster around the keys but man! Sometimes it's killer. Working on Rider now, I think it's called. Glad to know that the other program isn't worth wasting time on.

But PM keeps me motivated. I still work from my method book. I wish I could put my method book exercises into PM.

I also really see the value of watching the accompanying videos and referring to the method book which does have additional markings for dynamics etc. that don't show up in the program.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/09/19 02:46 PM

@ TomInCinci @ GidgetKeys
I want to give you a little courage, level 3 is indeed very difficult and impossible quickly sometimes.
But it gives such satisfaction when you see all those golden pianos in your closet. (Kidding :D)
No the real satisfaction came after level 3 when I noticed that suddenly I could read notes smoothly and lots faster.
And I'm also able to play pieces from a sheet book, which was not possible before.

You can put your exercises from method book in PM. Let me know which and I send them as XML and midi back then you can upload them yourself. Also look in the library, a lot of method is also there.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/09/19 02:57 PM

Quote
Originally Posted by Angelos58
In Piano Marvel BPM is ever in quarter note.

This is actually musically incorrect, based on what I've read about tempo. Which is why I reported it as an error. Cut time has a half note pulse consisting of beats. Therefore the "beats" per minute should be for half notes in this case, not quarter notes. And certainly not quarter notes with no documentation or warnings being given that PM is deviating from the standard musical notation practice in assigning beats per minute (BPM).

PM Tech Support wrote back to me that this is a bug in their software and they will be fixing it (presumably so that with cut time 2/2, the beat is on the half note and not the quarter note).
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/09/19 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
@ TomInCinci @ GidgetKeys
I want to give you a little courage, level 3 is indeed very difficult and impossible quickly sometimes.
But it gives such satisfaction when you see all those golden pianos in your closet. (Kidding :D)
No the real satisfaction came after level 3 when I noticed that suddenly I could read notes smoothly and lots faster.
And I'm also able to play pieces from a sheet book, which was not possible before.

You can put your exercises from method book in PM. Let me know which and I send them as XML and midi back then you can upload them yourself. Also look in the library, a lot of method is also there.


Thank you for your kindness. You're very nice.

Being overwhelmed and feeling like failure is on the horizon is just part of the process for me. I didn't choose an area where I struggled for a career but I do for hobbies sometimes. It does feel like an accomplishment to go from who-are-we-kidding-here to success, even moderate success.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/09/19 04:13 PM

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Being overwhelmed and feeling like failure is on the horizon is just part of the process for me. I didn't choose an area where I struggled for a career but I do for hobbies sometimes. It does feel like an accomplishment to go from who-are-we-kidding-here to success, even moderate success.


Remember how you started in Marvel...C C C C| C C C C| C C C C|| And look what you can do now smile

I have also always chosen struggle hobbies, there is no easy way to satisfaction. I used to learn to program in the Evening School (DOS and BASIC 1985) later I did Art Academy sculpting. And in between another course soldering of circuit boards. And now finaly learning to play piano. Success is so sweet and addictive wink
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/10/19 12:25 PM

Anybody have a good tip to practice hands independently? Appart no problem, but both hands together is chaos in my head, panic, completely lost. Especially my left hand starts to strumming with the rhythm but not even near the keys I should play. What should I do?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/10/19 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Anybody have a good tip to practice hands independently?

Do you mean practicing "hands together" - both hands playing? (just a small clarification, so I don't answer the wrong thing... smile )
Posted By: dmd

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/10/19 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Anybody have a good tip to practice hands independently? Appart no problem, but both hands together is chaos in my head, panic, completely lost. Especially my left hand starts to strumming with the rhythm but not even near the keys I should play. What should I do?



First choice: Take lessons from a teacher.

Second choice: If you are using a method book ….. start over …. you have been moving too fast.

If you are not using a method book, get one and start on page 1.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/10/19 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Anybody have a good tip to practice hands independently? Appart no problem, but both hands together is chaos in my head, panic, completely lost. Especially my left hand starts to strumming with the rhythm but not even near the keys I should play. What should I do?


Just to answer this - and then say some more about Piano Marvel

The exercise I like to do to help hand independence is to play CDEFGFED repeatedly over and over in both hands BUT with one hand going twice as fast as the other. The slower hand should play staccato, the faster hand legato. Swap hands. If you are like me I found left hand slow right hand fast quite easy, but the other way around (left hand fast, right hand slow) much more difficult.
I spent a week or so doing this as preparation from Bach Invention No 8 and it worked really well. Since then I've not had a problem with hand independence.

As for Piano Marvel - my years subscription ran out at the end of December and after much debate with myself I decided not to renew it. I am very grateful that I used piano marvel to improve my technique up to the point where I got to level 6 (in both technique and method) - but was finding at that level that the constraints of the fixed rhythm of the piece and the turn around time between replays of a piece were too long. My teachers suggestion about playing just a few notes BEFORE a problem, but not after, then slowly go further and further back - but not past a problem area until it is completely solved is quite difficult with Piano Marvel. Doing that with paper music is easy.
So I had not used Piano Marvel for that area of playing for 6 months.

The area that I was still using it was in sight reading tests. I did debate quite a long time as to whether it was worth it just for that and in the end decided it was not - I still have many piano books at home to do sight reading with.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/10/19 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Anybody have a good tip to practice hands independently?

Do you mean practicing "hands together" - both hands playing? (just a small clarification, so I don't answer the wrong thing... smile )


Yes that is what I mean...my left hand always want to do the same as the right, its impossible to do different things. As long they go both in the same direction, after some practice; I manage. But total different direction and keys...no way, not even at 30 BPM. There are a lot of exercises in technique with both hands...0%. I'm so desperate.... frown
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/10/19 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Anybody have a good tip to practice hands independently? Appart no problem, but both hands together is chaos in my head, panic, completely lost. Especially my left hand starts to strumming with the rhythm but not even near the keys I should play. What should I do?


The exercise I like to do to help hand independence is to play CDEFGFED repeatedly over and over in both hands BUT with one hand going twice as fast as the other. The slower hand should play staccato, the faster hand legato. Swap hands. If you are like me I found left hand slow right hand fast quite easy, but the other way around (left hand fast, right hand slow) much more difficult.


I can not play CDEFGFED with both hands, not even the same speed, I think there is something wrong in my brain :p I will try it....

Hope you wil stay here and guide us. You know so much. SASR in free version not possible?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/10/19 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
As long they go both in the same direction, after some practice; I manage. But total different direction and keys...no way, not even at 30 BPM. There are a lot of exercises in technique with both hands...0%. I'm so desperate.... frown

I think, outside of the PM system entirely, you should make for yourself some exercises like akc42 suggested and some contrary motion scales of maybe just one octave to play. Then play them so slow that you are commanding your fingers move for each note. There will be a slow enough speed when you can mentally direct the correct finger on each hand to press its key. Just keep slowing down until you get to that point. If it is 10 bpm, no one is watching except you. Through practice/repetition/tries, your brain will be retrained on this.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/10/19 10:00 PM

Through practice, your brain will be retrained on this. laugh You don't know my brain...but I will try...it is holding me back now in level 4. Had a problem with (left) chords also around "the bear over the mountain" made for myself 4 sheets of chords uploaded in Marvel and it worked. I think that contrary motion is a good exercise. Will upload some tomorrow. Thank you
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/10/19 10:27 PM

Quote
First choice: Take lessons from a teacher.
Second choice: If you are using a method book ….. start over …. you have been moving too fast.
If you are not using a method book, get one and start on page 1.



Teacher is no option. I started in 2015 in Piano Marvel Method and technique and just finished level 3 (out 6) To fast? Don't think so. I have a fysical problem in my left hand, and my brain won't work like it should be :p
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/11/19 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I think that contrary motion is a good exercise. Will upload some tomorrow. Thank you

If you will be uploading the contrary scale exercises to PM, then you want to make sure you make the scales using all whole notes, so you can get the overall tempo low enough for this to work properly. You want to get the tempo so low you can even think about what to do with each hand if needed before having to move. Then gradually speed up.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/11/19 03:27 AM

Sarah65: One more thing I would like to suggest. A piano teacher on Reddit r/piano posted his strategy for learning hand independence. A complete document. See this here.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/11/19 09:29 AM

Thank y
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Sarah65: One more thing I would like to suggest. A piano teacher on Reddit r/piano posted his strategy for learning hand independence. A complete document. See this here.



Thank you, very helpfull
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/11/19 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Sarah65: One more thing I would like to suggest. A piano teacher on Reddit r/piano posted his strategy for learning hand independence. A complete document. See this here.


I like that document.

I wonder if it isn't common for people to have something they struggle with? Hand independence isn't my personal nemesis but I know what it's like to look at something and think I will never be able to play it...
Posted By: tangleweeds

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/11/19 05:11 PM

Great document, thank you!

I enjoy connecting my DP to my computer and turning it into an 88-key video game controller, meaning I’m quite intrigued with Piano Marvel, so expect me to pipe up in here from time to time. Feel free to feed this fascination while I dig through my moving boxes hunting down the essential cables. Unfortunately I haven’t played in so long I have no idea which layer of sediment they might be buried in.

I’m just hoping it’s not the layer that went into storage when I was hospitalized after moving (escaping abusive ex-roommate -> haste & overexertion -> hospitalization & near death shocked shocked shocked my friends stepped up and put the remainder in storage).
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/11/19 05:59 PM

This whole site is great, lots of useful material to practice. Thank you, Eli (Tyrone)

http://www.musicfun.net.au/index.htm
Posted By: Tharagleb

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/14/19 07:24 PM

Very much a fan of PM, been using it for about a month, I am at about 2D in both Method and Technique. I think it keeps me motivated, I try to get in 30 minutes a day. That might not be a lot but it is significantly more than 0 minutes a day. smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/14/19 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tharagleb
Very much a fan of PM, been using it for about a month, I am at about 2D in both Method and Technique. I think it keeps me motivated, I try to get in 30 minutes a day. That might not be a lot but it is significantly more than 0 minutes a day. smile

Welcome to the group of PM fans. smile 30 minutes a day is sure enough. I read somewhere that you can practice better 15 minutes with full concentration than 2 hours just play some notes and make mistakes.
Posted By: Mosotti

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/15/19 06:17 AM

I've just got a 1 year subscription. I think it's great. I will try to do 15 minutes per day. I found out that 15 minutes is actually almost double, because it only counts the actual practice...
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/15/19 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mosotti
I've just got a 1 year subscription. I think it's great. I will try to do 15 minutes per day.

Have fun with this!

Originally Posted by Mosotti
I found out that 15 minutes is actually almost double, because it only counts the actual practice...

Yes, the practice timer only tracks time when you are actively playing. Not between attempts of playing or when you are studying the score, etc.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/15/19 10:07 PM

Today had a great experience in studying level 4a "Go Big C!" For the first time in 2.5 years I had the feeling that I was really playing the piano. I already liked that piece since the first practice, but now that I can play it completely it is really so much fun. I leave my hands free, no more cramped fingers that barely dare to release a key. Completely relaxed, loose wrist and shoulders. I have confidence and play it without looking at my hands. My hands move by themselves, both left and right. Truly an overwhelming experience. Thank you PM.
I know now that it is very important what you choose for playing/learning. Something that is pleasant will succeed much better than a dull or too fast or ugly piece.

That being said, the better it goes in "Method" the worse I score in the SASR test.... hahaha funny.
Posted By: tangleweeds

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/15/19 10:08 PM

I finally made it work, what fun!!

It was slow going as I first had to order cables that match my new, updated devices (it's been a long time since I used my DP), then get all the electronics speaking to one another. I got discouraged last night and gave up, but with a fresh start this morning I finally made it all work! At least on the laptop, though I needed to cycle through restarting the MacBook, the DP, the browser, etc etc etc until everyone was on the same page.

I'm still waiting on the cable to connect the DP to the iPad, which will be much more convenient as it will fit on the music stand as opposed to the laptop sitting atop the DP's controls, screen precariously propped against the wall.

But again, what fun! I think I will purchase a subscription!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/16/19 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Today had a great experience in studying level 4a "Go Big C!" For the first time in 2.5 years I had the feeling that I was really playing the piano. I already liked that piece since the first practice, but now that I can play it completely it is really so much fun. I leave my hands free, no more cramped fingers that barely dare to release a key. Completely relaxed, loose wrist and shoulders. I have confidence and play it without looking at my hands. My hands move by themselves, both left and right. Truly an overwhelming experience. Thank you PM.
I know now that it is very important what you choose for playing/learning. Something that is pleasant will succeed much better than a dull or too fast or ugly piece.

What wonderful progress! smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/21/19 10:36 AM

How much I enjoyed "Go Big C", which comes after it seems like an invincible mountain. I mean in level 4b and beyond. I don't know what to do, continue wrestling in Marvel and maybe get a dislike of piano, or just stay in a lower level and play the songs that I like and can read. It is mainly the speed and the left hand that give a lot of problems. I manage the C scale fast in the right hand, but left "lame" hand not even slow...its going to chase me forever frown
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/21/19 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
How much I enjoyed "Go Big C", which comes after it seems like an invincible mountain. I mean in level 4b and beyond. I don't know what to do, continue wrestling in Marvel and maybe get a dislike of piano, or just stay in a lower level and play the songs that I like and can read. It is mainly the speed and the left hand that give a lot of problems. I manage the C scale fast in the right hand, but left "lame" hand not even slow...its going to chase me forever frown

Well, this is a hobby and one needn't ever do what is painful for a hobby. That said, it is nice to grow. And sometimes, you can try a piece at your own pace and when you feel you can't improve it beyond a certain point, perhaps the best thing is to move on and come back to it later without fixating on the gold star or lack of it smile Hobby!

That said, you are pointing out your left hand here. It might be nice to work on improving your left hand. Take this super slowly as improvement can come gradually. It might be you move on and just work on this one for a few minutes every few days as almost just an exercise for improving your left hand.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/21/19 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That said, you are pointing out your left hand here. It might be nice to work on improving your left hand. Take this super slowly as improvement can come gradually. It might be you move on and just work on this one for a few minutes every few days as almost just an exercise for improving your left hand.


The problem is that the last two fingers (4 and 5) are numb. The other fingers obviously have also more difficulty doing what they have to do. It's very difficult to hit a key if you don't feel where your finger is, usually the key next to the right key frown . It's a little bit better since the beginning, I can already play the 3 note chords fairly smoothly left, but totally OK it will never be again. It's especially in single notes, I "don't feel" where those fingers are. Too much trial and error...
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/21/19 10:53 PM

For whom Musescore wants to upgrade to 3 beware! In Musescore 3 It is impossible to remove tempo markers in Midi. Consequently, impossible to upload in Marvel. And also scores made in Musescore 2 opens with errors in version 3. You can retain both than you have no problems. Or don't download the new one, lots of bugs and glitches, see forum musescore.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/21/19 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
The problem is that the last two fingers (4 and 5) are numb. The other fingers obviously have also more difficulty doing what they have to do. It's very difficult to hit a key if you don't feel where your finger is, usually the key next to the right key frown . It's a little bit better since the beginning, I can already play the 3 note chords fairly smoothly left, but totally OK it will never be again. It's especially in single notes, I "don't feel" where those fingers are. Too much trial and error...

Numb? As in nerve damage? Because I can understand that. I was in a near-fatal motorcycle accident 7 years ago and have permanent nerve damage in my right arm. It still tingles sometimes, but mostly I have been ignoring it. I'm sure it affects my piano negatively though.

Originally Posted by Sarah65
For whom Musescore wants to upgrade to 3 beware! In Musescore 3 It is impossible to remove tempo markers in Midi. Consequently, impossible to upload in Marvel. And also scores made in Musescore 2 opens with errors in version 3. You can retain both than you have no problems. Or don't download the new one, lots of bugs and glitches, see forum musescore.

Can you open a ticket with PM on this? I think they will fix it. They fixed the last issue with Musescore, even though it took them some time. They recently fixed (or are fixing - they showed me some of their changes) a problem I mentioned in this thread that I had reported to PM associated with tempo in 2/2 cut-time. Clearly they are working on a new release of PM. If you raise this issue to them, they might have it fixed for the next PM release.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/22/19 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Can you open a ticket with PM on this? I think they will fix it. They fixed the last issue with Musescore, even though it took them some time. They recently fixed (or are fixing - they showed me some of their changes) a problem I mentioned in this thread that I had reported to PM associated with tempo in 2/2 cut-time. Clearly they are working on a new release of PM. If you raise this issue to them, they might have it fixed for the next PM release.


I don't think that PM can fix this because you can enter a tempo in "create exercise", if the MIDI has a different tempo, it doesn't work with the. Xml. If I have time I will give it a try, and report it.
I have identified another problem. In Prepare mode I have to press the keys very hard to register them as a played note, very annoying. They are also bothered with it, it's a "glitch"??? In the program. They are working on it.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/30/19 01:37 AM

It's quiet here lately. I also liked the Go Big C piece in the Level 4a Method. I'm working on the next one now.

Anybody else watch Josh's FB live sessions? Last week he was working on Ed Sheeran's song Perfect, so I've been working on the easy version of that. I rather like it.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/30/19 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I don't think that PM can fix this because you can enter a tempo in "create exercise", if the MIDI has a different tempo, it doesn't work with the. Xml. If I have time I will give it a try, and report it.

I already mentioned to Sarah65, but thought I would just mention to other PM users. I discussed the Musescore 3.0 bug with their lead developer and they are looking at it.

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Anybody else watch Josh's FB live sessions? Last week he was working on Ed Sheeran's song Perfect, so I've been working on the easy version of that. I rather like it.

I didn't know they were using FB so actively. Do you know if these are being posted to Youtube?
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/30/19 01:59 AM

I know that some of the live streams have been done through YouTube. It looks like eventually the videos are added. The "Perfect" video was #13 and the YouTube channel only has up to #12.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/30/19 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
I don't think that PM can fix this because you can enter a tempo in "create exercise", if the MIDI has a different tempo, it doesn't work with the. Xml. If I have time I will give it a try, and report it.

I already mentioned to Sarah65, but thought I would just mention to other PM users. I discussed the Musescore 3.0 bug with their lead developer and they are looking at it.

I'm using my musescore 2.0 again, I understand everything and know how to use it, and no bugs. In 3.0 they moved a lot of things, don't like searching again smile

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Anybody else watch Josh's FB live sessions? Last week he was working on Ed Sheeran's song Perfect, so I've been working on the easy version of that. I rather like it.

I didn't know they were using FB so actively. Do you know if these are being posted to Youtube?

I have seen the livestreem but not live (middle of the night here) https://www.facebook.com/PianoMarvel/
They make it look like it's easy, but for beginners it will be disappointing. Not everyone has the qualities like Josh to be able to do that.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 01/30/19 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
It's quiet here lately. I also liked the Go Big C piece in the Level 4a Method. I'm working on the next one now.

Anybody else watch Josh's FB live sessions? Last week he was working on Ed Sheeran's song Perfect, so I've been working on the easy version of that. I rather like it.


Did you finish "What a saw" ??? I can get the left hand playing that thing, and I don't like how it sound so....no star wink

One more question, I have recently shared my favourite list with you, if I change something here, new song or delete one, ... will it change in your folder also?
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/04/19 05:05 PM

Hello,

I just started with Piano Marvel. I'm enjoying it so far and am motivated to get through the lessons and put trophies in my case. I know many will say to get a teacher but I'm already studying classical guitar and can only afford so many teachers. I pay for classical guitar lessons as well as ensemble coaching in a guitar quartet I play in. Perhaps I can find a teacher to work with once a month.

So, a simple question. Can Piano Marvel show you the current amount of time you've practice during the current day? I see the monthly goal, and the number of minutes accrued towards that goal, but I want to know how many practice minutes for each day. I thought I saw that somewhere but cannot seem to find it. Is it displayed when you bring up an exercises and not on the overview screen?
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/04/19 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK


So, a simple question. Can Piano Marvel show you the current amount of time you've practice during the current day? I see the monthly goal, and the number of minutes accrued towards that goal, but I want to know how many practice minutes for each day. I thought I saw that somewhere but cannot seem to find it. Is it displayed when you bring up an exercises and not on the overview screen?



Yes. Look for the Reports tab and it will show you the daily amounts for the last 7 days.

And welcome!
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/04/19 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Originally Posted by LarryK


So, a simple question. Can Piano Marvel show you the current amount of time you've practice during the current day? I see the monthly goal, and the number of minutes accrued towards that goal, but I want to know how many practice minutes for each day. I thought I saw that somewhere but cannot seem to find it. Is it displayed when you bring up an exercises and not on the overview screen?



Yes. Look for the Reports tab and it will show you the daily amounts for the last 7 days.

And welcome!


Thanks! Ok, that's good but I wish they would put the number of daily minutes on the Lessons tab because I spend all of my time in there every day.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/05/19 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
[quote=GidgetKeys][quote=LarryK]

Thanks! Ok, that's good but I wish they would put the number of daily minutes on the Lessons tab because I spend all of my time in there every day.


You can ask the Marvel team, always glad with feedback. tab support smile Or you can use a clock?
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/06/19 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by LarryK
[quote=GidgetKeys][quote=LarryK]

Thanks! Ok, that's good but I wish they would put the number of daily minutes on the Lessons tab because I spend all of my time in there every day.


You can ask the Marvel team, always glad with feedback. tab support smile Or you can use a clock?


Good luck with that. My experience has been that they will work on bugs but file my suggestions in the trash. On the other hand, I do commend them for leaving the basic interface the same rather than making me completely relearn it with every release, as is the current fashion.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/06/19 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci

Good luck with that. My experience has been that they will work on bugs but file my suggestions in the trash. On the other hand, I do commend them for leaving the basic interface the same rather than making me completely relearn it with every release, as is the current fashion.

I think they are trying to answer and implement. So I asked last if it was possible to arrange the own songs that you upload alphabetically. And a few days later it was done. There is something very annoying that I have already reported a few times, in the prepare mode many notes are missed, although I'm sure I'm playing them, I just have to push harder on the keys, very annoying.
Anybody else with this problem?

I don't see much changing in the new release? Old <---> New Is big difference, I like the new interface more.
Posted By: HvT

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/06/19 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by TomInCinci

Good luck with that. My experience has been that they will work on bugs but file my suggestions in the trash. On the other hand, I do commend them for leaving the basic interface the same rather than making me completely relearn it with every release, as is the current fashion.

I think they are trying to answer and implement. So I asked last if it was possible to arrange the own songs that you upload alphabetically. And a few days later it was done. There is something very annoying that I have already reported a few times, in the prepare mode many notes are missed, although I'm sure I'm playing them, I just have to push harder on the keys, very annoying.
Anybody else with this problem?

I don't see much changing in the new release? Old <---> New Is big difference, I like the new interface more.


Yes, I have the same problem, certain notes are not “accepted” when in prepare mode unless I hit or rehit the note quite hard. I’ve reported this and got the answer (today) that they are working hard to fix this problem and that it hopefully will be fixed within a week or so.

//Hans
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/06/19 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by Sarah65
You can ask the Marvel team, always glad with feedback. tab support smile Or you can use a clock?

Good luck with that. My experience has been that they will work on bugs but file my suggestions in the trash. On the other hand, I do commend them for leaving the basic interface the same rather than making me completely relearn it with every release, as is the current fashion.

I talked with Josh about making some changes and he then showed me screenshots of the proposed change a few days later. They are definitely not filling suggestions in the trash!
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/06/19 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by Sarah65
You can ask the Marvel team, always glad with feedback. tab support smile Or you can use a clock?

Good luck with that. My experience has been that they will work on bugs but file my suggestions in the trash. On the other hand, I do commend them for leaving the basic interface the same rather than making me completely relearn it with every release, as is the current fashion.

I talked with Josh about making some changes and he then showed me screenshots of the proposed change a few days later. They are definitely not filling suggestions in the trash!


Must just be your innate charm. smile As for me, I've given up.

I went back to PM today after a 3 week absence. I had a couple of experiences that really soured me on the learning process. But I'm not really smart enough to give up so it's back to level 3 and the standard doubts about my remaining brain cells. I have to get myself a teacher this year.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/06/19 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by HvT
[quote=Sarah65][quote=TomInCinci]

Yes, I have the same problem, certain notes are not “accepted” when in prepare mode unless I hit or rehit the note quite hard. I’ve reported this and got the answer (today) that they are working hard to fix this problem and that it hopefully will be fixed within a week or so.

//Hans

Hope so, It is very annoying, the function of "prepare" is pointless in this way.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/06/19 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by LarryK
[quote=GidgetKeys][quote=LarryK]

Thanks! Ok, that's good but I wish they would put the number of daily minutes on the Lessons tab because I spend all of my time in there every day.


You can ask the Marvel team, always glad with feedback. tab support smile Or you can use a clock?


Yes, I could use a clock, but the thing is that I practice five or ten minutes at a time, whenever I have a break. So. I don't want to add up all those times, I just want a running daily total on the Lessons view. That will help me know if I have hit my day's goal without having to go to the Reports screen. It's not a big thing, but they are showing other minute totals on the Lesson view.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/06/19 10:28 PM

Quote

Yes, I could use a clock, but the thing is that I practice five or ten minutes at a time, whenever I have a break. So. I don't want to add up all those times, I just want a running daily total on the Lessons view. That will help me know if I have hit my day's goal without having to go to the Reports screen. It's not a big thing, but they are showing other minute totals on the Lesson view.


I don't understand well what you meant by "Lesson view" is that method? What I have done myself to keep up the practice time; I made myself as both a teacher and a student. It's puzzling in Marvel interface, but I see extensive numbers/time/% of everything I do in "reports".
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/06/19 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote

Yes, I could use a clock, but the thing is that I practice five or ten minutes at a time, whenever I have a break. So. I don't want to add up all those times, I just want a running daily total on the Lessons view. That will help me know if I have hit my day's goal without having to go to the Reports screen. It's not a big thing, but they are showing other minute totals on the Lesson view.


I don't understand well what you meant by "Lesson view" is that method? What I have done myself to keep up the practice time; I made myself as both a teacher and a student. It's puzzling in Marvel interface, but I see extensive numbers/time/% of everything I do in "reports".

I don't have myself set as teacher. Can you explain what setting yourself as teacher does that just being student doesn't do?
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/07/19 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote

Yes, I could use a clock, but the thing is that I practice five or ten minutes at a time, whenever I have a break. So. I don't want to add up all those times, I just want a running daily total on the Lessons view. That will help me know if I have hit my day's goal without having to go to the Reports screen. It's not a big thing, but they are showing other minute totals on the Lesson view.


I don't understand well what you meant by "Lesson view" is that method? What I have done myself to keep up the practice time; I made myself as both a teacher and a student. It's puzzling in Marvel interface, but I see extensive numbers/time/% of everything I do in "reports".


It's actually the LESSONS tab on the iPad app. It appears to the right of the METHOD and TECHNIQUE trophy cases. On the upper right in LESSONS there is February Minutes: and Practice Goal. I would like Daily Minutes: added up there. There is also a Set Goal button up there.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/07/19 08:34 AM

Sorry don' have an iPad. I understand that the app is still in development, so they will certainly be happy to hear your feedback.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/07/19 09:30 AM

Quote


I don't have myself set as teacher. Can you explain what setting yourself as teacher does that just being student doesn't do?


I have no idea what the difference is. I only know that I get extensive reports with lots of details, and once a month a popup that says I should do a SASR test. smile
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/07/19 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote


I don't have myself set as teacher. Can you explain what setting yourself as teacher does that just being student doesn't do?


I have no idea what the difference is. I only know that I get extensive reports with lots of details, and once a month a popup that says I should do a SASR test. smile


Ok, I added myself as a teacher of myself, although it makes me a bit nervous to have someone watching over me like that.

What are in these extensive reports? I looked in the Reports tab but I did not see any differences.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/07/19 05:50 PM

No idea on the teacher question. Mine had finally agreed that we would use PM as a tool just before she died. We never got the software set up on her machine.

I get really frustrated when I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be learning from something. Can anyone have mercy on me and have a look at technique 3-D, exercise 14? Is this piece in F minor, but for some reason the key signature is left off? Then of course they decided to use Roman numerals in the bass cleff after I finally started getting the feel for what the chords look like on the score. It seems like a stretch to me, though it wouldn't be the first time I was dragged kicking and screaming into the path of righteous pedagogy...
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/07/19 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
... in the prepare mode many notes are missed, although I'm sure I'm playing them, I just have to push harder on the keys, very annoying.
Anybody else with this problem?


I'm glad you said this. I have had this problem before, and I thought maybe I was playing too lightly, or worse, that my keyboard was wearing out. I mean, it wasn't an expensive keyboard to begin with but I didn't want to make a huge investment until I could show that I was dedicated. I had been thinking that maybe I needed to tell my husband that he needs to buy me a new one. But now I'm thinking maybe it's not necessary right yet.

Oh, and by the way, for anyone that might be interested in purchasing anything from the Music Marvel store (you know you can buy the method books to accompany the Method module and books to some of the other things in the Library), they are having a sale until February 15th (20% off). Josh's Live Stream (<-- YouTube link) last night was about the sale and about a new Intermediate Love Song bootcamp that is newly available.

Since Josh's last Live Stream, I have been working on the Ed Sheeran song, "Perfect" in the Easy version. It's coming along, and still working on Level 4 Method lessons.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/07/19 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
No idea on the teacher question. Mine had finally agreed that we would use PM as a tool just before she died. We never got the software set up on her machine.

I get really frustrated when I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be learning from something. Can anyone have mercy on me and have a look at technique 3-D, exercise 14? Is this piece in F minor, but for some reason the key signature is left off? Then of course they decided to use Roman numerals in the bass cleff after I finally started getting the feel for what the chords look like on the score. It seems like a stretch to me, though it wouldn't be the first time I was dragged kicking and screaming into the path of righteous pedagogy...


I give up on technique but I can translate the roman numerals.

I = First or 1
IV = Fourth or 4
V = five or 5
V7 = five-seven 5-7
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/07/19 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Originally Posted by Sarah65
... in the prepare mode many notes are missed, although I'm sure I'm playing them, I just have to push harder on the keys, very annoying.
Anybody else with this problem?


I'm glad you said this. I have had this problem before, and I thought maybe I was playing too lightly, or worse, that my keyboard was wearing out. I mean, it wasn't an expensive keyboard to begin with but I didn't want to make a huge investment until I could show that I was dedicated. I had been thinking that maybe I needed to tell my husband that he needs to buy me a new one. But now I'm thinking maybe it's not necessary right yet.

Oh, and by the way, for anyone that might be interested in purchasing anything from the Music Marvel store (you know you can buy the method books to accompany the Method module and books to some of the other things in the Library), they are having a sale until February 15th (20% off). Josh's Live Stream (<-- YouTube link) last night was about the sale and about a new Intermediate Love Song bootcamp that is newly available.

Since Josh's last Live Stream, I have been working on the Ed Sheeran song, "Perfect" in the Easy version. It's coming along, and still working on Level 4 Method lessons.

You can print the books smile When I try playing scales in prepare, the "hanging" keys or driving me mad....
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/07/19 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
No idea on the teacher question. Mine had finally agreed that we would use PM as a tool just before she died. We never got the software set up on her machine.

I get really frustrated when I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be learning from something. Can anyone have mercy on me and have a look at technique 3-D, exercise 14? Is this piece in F minor, but for some reason the key signature is left off? Then of course they decided to use Roman numerals in the bass cleff after I finally started getting the feel for what the chords look like on the score. It seems like a stretch to me, though it wouldn't be the first time I was dragged kicking and screaming into the path of righteous pedagogy...


I give up on technique but I can translate the roman numerals.

I = First or 1
IV = Fourth or 4
V = five or 5
V7 = five-seven 5-7


Yeah, I get that, and they use lower case for minor - i, iv, v7, etc. It's something that some of the guitar players I know use, and they can't read a score. So it's good for me, though difficult and frustrating at times.

I'm staying with technique AND method, even if it kills me.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
No idea on the teacher question. Mine had finally agreed that we would use PM as a tool just before she died. We never got the software set up on her machine.

I get really frustrated when I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be learning from something. Can anyone have mercy on me and have a look at technique 3-D, exercise 14? Is this piece in F minor, but for some reason the key signature is left off? Then of course they decided to use Roman numerals in the bass cleff after I finally started getting the feel for what the chords look like on the score. It seems like a stretch to me, though it wouldn't be the first time I was dragged kicking and screaming into the path of righteous pedagogy...


I give up on technique but I can translate the roman numerals.

I = First or 1
IV = Fourth or 4
V = five or 5
V7 = five-seven 5-7


Yeah, I get that, and they use lower case for minor - i, iv, v7, etc. It's something that some of the guitar players I know use, and they can't read a score. So it's good for me, though difficult and frustrating at times.

I'm staying with technique AND method, even if it kills me.


Bravo.

By the way, I'm new to the program. Am I supposed to work Method and Technique in parallel? A level method with A level technique, then B, C, etc? Should Method come first or Technique? Does it matter?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
By the way, I'm new to the program. Am I supposed to work Method and Technique in parallel? A level method with A level technique, then B, C, etc? Should Method come first or Technique? Does it matter?

Optimally, you are supposed to work them in parallel. I used to do 5 lessons of one and then 5 of the other. The order doesn't really matter as long as you are more or less in sync (meaning if you are in 2-C for example on Method then you are also somewhere in 2-C on Technique, approx.). This is optimally, and how they intended it to go, but as Sarah65 pointed out, this has to work for you. So if you get out of sync, or even decide to ditch one or the other of Method or Technique, then don't beat yourself up over that, better to make forward progress instead of getting frustrated and quitting entirely. For the same reason, it is easy to get caught up in chasing 100% success on every lesson. That's OK, but if you get stuck at 95% on a certain lesson, better to move on then to spin your wheels in frustration.

Some people think Technique is a little harder than Method, especially at the higher levels since they focus on technique, accuracy of tempo/timing, and stuff like scales, arpeggios, and chords. I personally think they are of comparable difficulty. However, if I were to do it all over again, I would add to my PM lessons some Youtube piano technique videos, since PM is so light on "real" technique (other than the scales/arpeggios/chords I spoke of earlier). For example, this video is an excellent starting piano technique video to give you an idea of what "real" piano technique consists of. After 4 months of PM, I started piano lessons with a teacher last year, and I was directed to start over again because my piano technique was so bad. I caught back up to my original level after a few weeks, but I think I could have avoided the back tracking if I had paid more attention to the youtube videos on piano technique.

Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 11:35 AM

I actually had an exercise where I got stuck on 95% or so. I burned up a LOT of time before I moved on. One day when I was something like a level and a half beyond it I went back to check it. I breezed right through it.

It'll never happen but I'd love to see a button that brings up a textual description of what information the lesson is trying to impart. Sometimes I just don't get it. And there have been times I'd kill for an 'I surrender, show me all the fingerings' button, though that might be quite a bit of clerical work for someone.

Overall, I think that for every time this software leaves me feeling burned down, there are 20 times it teaches me something that motivates and helps.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 11:38 AM

Tom,

Have you looked at the corresponding method book? There is usually additional information there about what the lesson is intending to focus on.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Tom,

Have you looked at the corresponding method book? There is usually additional information there about what the lesson is intending to focus on.


The .PDFs? They do have a little something in them every now and then, don't they?

Those were just 2 examples of something in the software that frustrates me. But I've been around long enough to know that the world isn't going to change for me and to suspect that the rest of you might suffer if it did!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Tom,

Have you looked at the corresponding method book? There is usually additional information there about what the lesson is intending to focus on.

The .PDFs? They do have a little something in them every now and then, don't they?

One thing, for example, I saw in the PDFs is that they start to teach pedaling. PM itself doesn't support showing any pedaling, but the PDFs teach it. There are lots of other differences too.

But something I'm wondering about is the new special sale I received an email about. One of the things identified as being on sale are the method books associated with the course. Does that mean the PDFs are now no longer free?
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 02:48 PM

I remember working with my teacher on one of them and I couldn't imagine what 'Leo' meant. Turned out to be a stylized representation of 'Ped', doh!

Aren't the PDFs incomplete? Maybe if you buy one you get all of the exercises.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I remember working with my teacher on one of them and I couldn't imagine what 'Leo' meant. Turned out to be a stylized representation of 'Ped', doh!

Haha. Tricked by that funky gothic font! smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci

Those were just 2 examples of something in the software that frustrates me. But I've been around long enough to know that the world isn't going to change for me and to suspect that the rest of you might suffer if it did!


Inspired by the enthusiasm of Tyrone, I have been diving again in technique today. And it remains equally difficult for me, Level 3a from Nr 14 onwards... I think what annoys me most is the "eartraining" because then you have to wait so long and be guaranteed to start playing late, it's so time consuming... And the nasty thing is that in "prepare" it starts right where the notes stand, then you think, yes I know it but nothing is less true. But I have made the intention to try every day, good of me huh?
.Method I finished level 4A only the C scale I have to do....again some technical stuff :p
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by TomInCinci

Those were just 2 examples of something in the software that frustrates me. But I've been around long enough to know that the world isn't going to change for me and to suspect that the rest of you might suffer if it did!


Inspired by the enthusiasm of Tyrone, I have been diving again in technique today. And it remains equally difficult for me, Level 3a from Nr 14 onwards... I think what annoys me most is the "eartraining" because then you have to wait so long and be guaranteed to start playing late, it's so time consuming... And the nasty thing is that in "prepare" it starts right where the notes stand, then you think, yes I know it but nothing is less true. But I have made the intention to try every day, good of me huh?
.Method I finished level 4A only the C scale I have to do....again some technical stuff :p

As TomInCinci pointed out, skipping around might not be bad (his 95% example). Sometimes one is just not ready for a certain exercise. Better to skip around and still do it overall than to not skip around and quit, I say. And Sarah65, I'd say you'd have gotten the main "meat" out of the Technique exercises with anything 95% or over. No need to be as fastidious about Technique exercises. The last 5% of technique exercises seem to exercise something else other than the first 95%. Often, for example, it is timing or some such thing.

For ear training, it is progressive. Instead of jumping into the ear training exercises at level 3 as you are at, you might consider going back and redoing the earlier ear training exercises even at level 1, just to try for a good start. I think you mentioned having to memorize the notes on ear training exercises, which turns these from ear training into a memorization exercise, and in that case, there are probably better memorization exercises you could do instead.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 07:15 PM

Tyrone, are you kidding ? Go back to previous levels? While I'm just telling you that the ear training is so annoying because you have to wait every time the example is played. There are nicer things to wait for... and that MIDI sound is also not really pleasant laugh I'll do the best I can and move on...method is nicer to conquer.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/08/19 09:13 PM

My question to the Pm development team:

Is it possible to provide the option in prepare mode and/or in play
controls to make a choice in left or right hand?
It might also save you a lot of work if you no longer have to mince every
new song. I don't know if you guys do that the same way as the users who
upload, have to do; at least I hate that work. :))

There answer:
Thanks for the suggestion, I will take it to our development meeting!
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/09/19 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Does that mean the PDFs are now no longer free?


I don't think that's the case at all, just sometimes it's nicer to have things in a bound print format rather than have to download and print yourself. I have all the PDFs downloaded to my iPad but I haven't printed anything.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/11/19 09:45 AM

I finally got masterd "What a Saw", and in technique already one of the (seems impossible) level 3 A. Seems nothing is impossible. Reminder to myself next time I'm stuck again laugh
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/11/19 07:23 PM

Whew! boy, the C Major scale exercise in Method 4A is killing me! Somehow I lucked out on the Sixteenth Notes and mastered it. just getting my fingers to move that fast! I can tell that my "reach" has expanded since I started playing but speed just isn't there yet. My hands are actually aching a little. I can really see how much I'm going to have to start out slow.

I probably should go back and bring myself up to the same level in Technique. I sorta left that hanging in Level 2D. I really don't like the ear training. I'm just not good at it.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/12/19 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Whew! boy, the C Major scale exercise in Method 4A is killing me! Somehow I lucked out on the Sixteenth Notes and mastered it. just getting my fingers to move that fast! I can tell that my "reach" has expanded since I started playing but speed just isn't there yet. My hands are actually aching a little. I can really see how much I'm going to have to start out slow.

I probably should go back and bring myself up to the same level in Technique. I sorta left that hanging in Level 2D. I really don't like the ear training. I'm just not good at it.


Same here, speed is not my thing. The scales I manage just in time but then I have to move my left hand for the chords and I'm always to late :p And ear training I hate also...
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/12/19 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
but then I have to move my left hand for the chords and I'm always to late :p

One of the things that helps me is to move slightly before I have to for the chords. Shorten the previous note slightly in value and already start moving to the next chord position. Have you tried this? It really helps with timing.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/12/19 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
but then I have to move my left hand for the chords and I'm always to late :p

One of the things that helps me is to move slightly before I have to for the chords. Shorten the previous note slightly in value and already start moving to the next chord position. Have you tried this? It really helps with timing.

After the scales I end up with my pink on low C... then play right hand C chord and immadiatly left hand C chord (in the middle)...and my hand is still on the end of the keys...too slow wink
Your advise is good for normal songs, so thank you.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/16/19 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Whew! boy, the C Major scale exercise in Method 4A is killing me! Somehow I lucked out on the Sixteenth Notes and mastered it. just getting my fingers to move that fast! I can tell that my "reach" has expanded since I started playing but speed just isn't there yet. My hands are actually aching a little. I can really see how much I'm going to have to start out slow.

I probably should go back and bring myself up to the same level in Technique. I sorta left that hanging in Level 2D. I really don't like the ear training. I'm just not good at it.

I get Major C today laugh I did it in practice mode, first very slow and then faster and faster, every time untill I got no red dots. I stopped technique in level 3B, so you dont really need that.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/18/19 04:01 PM

FB group on PM https://www.facebook.com/groups/236314193912595/ Please join smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/18/19 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65

Submitted smile
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/18/19 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65


To be honest, I'm trying to disconnect from Facebook. I'd rather discuss PianoMarvel here. I appreciate the 22 pages of discussion that have already been amassed in this thread.

I'm in my first month with PianoMarvel, still in the free trial period. I set a practice goal of 800 minutes for the month and I'm at 740 minutes.

I'm at the 2C level in technique and the 2E level in method.

When can I add the Alfred Adult Piano Course? Or, well, can I buy that and add it to PianoMarvel? Do I have to wait until I purchase a subscription?

I've only added a few pieces to the library. Do people add a lot of pieces when they're at my level?
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/18/19 07:03 PM

Cool thanks. Request to join approved already. See you there!
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/18/19 07:34 PM

Will any of us recognize each other when we use our real names? smile
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/18/19 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK


When can I add the Alfred Adult Piano Course? Or, well, can I buy that and add it to PianoMarvel? Do I have to wait until I purchase a subscription?

I've only added a few pieces to the library. Do people add a lot of pieces when they're at my level?



I think you probably have to have a subscription in order to add a paid component like that (but don't hold me to that). As far as pieces in the Library, I personally have a lot in mine. There are plenty of pieces available for every level that I think help to reinforce what you are learning in the Method section. I started with PM about a year ago, and I did take some time off from it, but it seems like they are actively running promotions to keep users interested and motivated. Before the end of the year it was the hymns challenge (they sent Certificates for accomplishing certain levels) and the Christmas challenge. Now they have a Song of the Week thing going on.

I don't imagine this thread will slow up just because of the FB group, so there will still be plenty of activity.

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Will any of us recognize each other when we use our real names? smile


Possibly not, although there are 2 participants here that I think I have identified over there, but at the same time, maybe they don't want to be identified. Personally, I don't mind. See you there!

Lana (<---hint)
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/18/19 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Lana (<---hint)

Friend added smile
Posted By: NobleHouse

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/18/19 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Sarah65


To be honest, I'm trying to disconnect from Facebook. I'd rather discuss PianoMarvel here. I appreciate the 22 pages of discussion that have already been amassed in this thread.

I'm in my first month with PianoMarvel, still in the free trial period. I set a practice goal of 800 minutes for the month and I'm at 740 minutes.

I'm at the 2C level in technique and the 2E level in method.

When can I add the Alfred Adult Piano Course? Or, well, can I buy that and add it to PianoMarvel? Do I have to wait until I purchase a subscription?

I've only added a few pieces to the library. Do people add a lot of pieces when they're at my level?



I do not do Facebook at all.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/19/19 09:23 AM

Quote

When can I add the Alfred Adult Piano Course? Or, well, can I buy that and add it to PianoMarvel? Do I have to wait until I purchase a subscription?

I've only added a few pieces to the library. Do people add a lot of pieces when they're at my level?



You can filter the library, choose level 1-3 and you will get a lot to learn. I chose 1 song from the library every week that I learned in addition to method and technique. Also the bootcamps are very interesting because you can then test how well you can read already. (You have to play it immediately and don't prepare it)
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/19/19 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Will any of us recognize each other when we use our real names? smile

Your selfies are cute :p
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/19/19 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Possibly not, although there are 2 participants here that I think I have identified over there, but at the same time, maybe they don't want to be identified. Personally, I don't mind. See you there!


I think you have recognized my Troll? It says "aged to perfection" only not yet on the piano :p
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/19/19 03:44 PM

I've really fallen off of the wagon this year. I've been so sick I just did not care. But now I'm toying with getting back to a daily routine...

I've seen this before but this time I'm really curious. Method 3D, 19. Flash Cards (F I, IV, V7 Chords) - It says to turn the piano volume off. What in the world would I be learning from this???? I understand that I may need to do some things I don't like if I'm going to get better, but this? If the day comes when I can't hear the piano I will no longer be playing one. I suffer through the ear training because I REALLY wish I could learn to do it but this just seems like sheer nonsense that someone dreamed up on a bad day. Either that or it's a valid teaching tool that is beyond my limited imagination.

Sarah65 - My favorite was the one where I was wearing the welding helmet. Somehow the gray going white look does not please me at all.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/19/19 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I've seen this before but this time I'm really curious. Method 3D, 19. Flash Cards (F I, IV, V7 Chords) - It says to turn the piano volume off. What in the world would I be learning from this???? I understand that I may need to do some things I don't like if I'm going to get better, but this? If the day comes when I can't hear the piano I will no longer be playing one. I suffer through the ear training because I REALLY wish I could learn to do it but this just seems like sheer nonsense that someone dreamed up on a bad day. Either that or it's a valid teaching tool that is beyond my limited imagination.

This is simply an exercise to help develop your reading skills and so you don't second guess when you aren't able to use your ears as a reference point. I'd say you should not bother turning off the sound if it bothers you smile
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/19/19 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This is simply an exercise to help develop your reading skills and so you don't second guess when you aren't able to use your ears as a reference point. I'd say you should not bother turning off the sound if it bothers you smile


No disrespect (I'm much better than this at disrespect), but what value is there in that? By the time my ears hear a wrong note the software has already busted me.

Oh, it bothers me, it really bothers me. smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/19/19 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci

No disrespect (I'm much better than this at disrespect), but what value is there in that? By the time my ears hear a wrong note the software has already busted me.
Oh, it bothers me, it really bothers me. smile

Grab all your courage together and bite through, I've also done wink In Level 4 I am satisfied with bronze piano in the trophy closet, so I can skip those nasty things.
Posted By: Riff Raff

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/20/19 04:17 PM

Had tried the app out a bit on my iPad last week, but there was no sound coming from it. Even viewing a lesson video within the app had no sound, whereas if I opened a video in the actual YouTube app it was fine. I played around with it some anyway, and managed to a get a 329 on the sight reading test just going by the visual tempo indication.

I looked at it again yesterday, and noticed the "iPad: I don't hear any sound from Piano Marvel" section on their support page. Apparently their app uses the ringer volume? And I guess I've had the "ringer" muted since... forever. Kind of weird that they're not going my the media volume, like apparently every single other app I use.

At any rate, it was obviously a lot more enjoyable with that problem solved so that I can hear the accompaniment and the count in. Working quickly through some of the lessons now.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/20/19 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Riff Raff
Kind of weird that they're not going my the media volume, like apparently every single other app I use.

Good luck with this app Riff Raff. Something I might mention is that if you find a problem with the app or what you think is a design flaw, you should click on one of the problem reporting buttons, even if you are only in a free trial period. PM has been good at responding to problems, even more than before.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/20/19 06:16 PM

Riff Raff - I started initially with my iPad as well, but if you have the ability to use a laptop, you should try that out. There are features that are different in the web based version that haven't been incorporated into the app yet.

However, the iPad subscription is less money than the web-based version I have discovered, and you are not limited to just using the iPad.
Posted By: Riff Raff

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/20/19 08:58 PM

Huh, I actually didn't even look at the web based version. I had gotten the MIDI-to-Lightning adapter for the iPad some years back to try out Synthesia. And an iPad on the music stand just seems relatively natural, I guess. I think I'd probably have to pick up a MIDI-to-USB adapter to try it with the laptop. Are there any particular standout features not on the iPad as yet? The Library section was the only area I saw a significant difference on first glance, and I haven't done much with that section yet as I'm still in the free trial period.

The only other specific issue I ran into with the iPad app was in the Ear Training lessons, when there are two or more notes at the same pitch in a row. It really doesn't seem to separate those notes much at all, such that two quarter notes sound pretty much identical to a half note.

I will also be curious to see if they're able to follow through on the idea of Drum Marvel, past the Beta bits. I've been playing my electronic drum kit with pro drums in Rock Band 3 and 4 for several years now, and have repeatedly thought it'd be nice if someone did some actual educational software utilizing the MIDI output from electronic drum kits.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/20/19 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Riff Raff
I will also be curious to see if they're able to follow through on the idea of Drum Marvel, past the Beta bits. I've been playing my electronic drum kit with pro drums in Rock Band 3 and 4 for several years now, and have repeatedly thought it'd be nice if someone did some actual educational software utilizing the MIDI output from electronic drum kits.

Why, Animal wants to learn to play the drums for real? smile
Posted By: Riff Raff

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/20/19 10:19 PM

Indeed! :-) I played in a samba school drum line for awhile. But I mostly revert back to playing Rock Band drums for hours, which is no help at all for various things like dynamics or hihat pedal usage. Though it's fantastic for physical activity and stress relief!
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/20/19 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Riff Raff

I will also be curious to see if they're able to follow through on the idea of Drum Marvel, past the Beta bits. I've been playing my electronic drum kit with pro drums in Rock Band 3 and 4 for several years now, and have repeatedly thought it'd be nice if someone did some actual educational software utilizing the MIDI output from electronic drum kits.


At one time they claimed they were going to develop a version for the guitar. I would love to see that happen. Or not, but I'd be very curious to see if I could learn to apply what I've learned to guitar. But that's one I won't be beta testing for them...


Regarding the flash card exercise and turning the piano volume all the way down (a few posts ago), I tried turning it up and the F major chords that the score shows do not fit with the bass line they're playing. It's very discordant. Well, that or I have one heck of a bug.
Posted By: Riff Raff

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/20/19 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
At one time they claimed they were going to develop a version for the guitar. I would love to see that happen.

Can always give Rocksmith a shot. It's on Xbox One and PS4 for consoles, as well as PC (Steam) and Mac. There's no sheet music, it does basically floating tabs (for better or worse). It works with the output of any guitar or bass, using a 1/4" to USB adapter cable. I can attest that it works well enough for someone who'd never played a string instrument in his life (i.e. me) prior to picking up the game.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 09:38 AM

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Something I might mention is that if you find a problem with the app or what you think is a design flaw, you should click on one of the problem reporting buttons, even if you are only in a free trial period. PM has been good at responding to problems, even more than before.

Coincidentally, I found two PM bugs tonight and reported them. I wonder when PM will be releasing their next version?
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Riff Raff
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
At one time they claimed they were going to develop a version for the guitar. I would love to see that happen.

Can always give Rocksmith a shot. It's on Xbox One and PS4 for consoles, as well as PC (Steam) and Mac. There's no sheet music, it does basically floating tabs (for better or worse). It works with the output of any guitar or bass, using a 1/4" to USB adapter cable. I can attest that it works well enough for someone who'd never played a string instrument in his life (i.e. me) prior to picking up the game.


Yeah, thanks, but no tabs for me. I used them for many years. As abstract and ridiculous as sheet music seems to me, it's what the world uses. I don't want to spend time with notation that only other guitar players can use and that requires you to already know what the music sounds like.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Riff Raff
Are there any particular standout features not on the iPad as yet?


I think the biggest thing is the Prepare Mode. That isn't available in the iPad app. You play the notes and the program only advances when you play the correct notes. Way less pressure than having to use the Assess Mode every time.

Originally Posted by Riff Raff
I will also be curious to see if they're able to follow through on the idea of Drum Marvel, past the Beta bits. I've been playing my electronic drum kit with pro drums in Rock Band 3 and 4 for several years now, and have repeatedly thought it'd be nice if someone did some actual educational software utilizing the MIDI output from electronic drum kits.


I tried connecting to a set of electronic drums, but I couldn't make it work. Probably the drums (which are just a low end practice kit) aren't compatible.


I've been working on the easy version of the first Song of the Week, "Perfect", and it's coming along. Last night I was able to play through the entire song of 83 measures at the slowest Assessment speed (72 bpm) for 100% in the minced and chopped slicings and a 98% on the 84 bpm. It's been 4 weeks, which I think sounds like a long time, but it's not the only thing I do either. It would be nice to have the actual sheet music so if I wanted to play it someplace else away from PM, I could. I may try to make a recording this weekend. I haven't quite figured out how to make a decent recording yet.
Posted By: Tech-key

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 05:49 PM

Hello, everyone!

I don’t know much about Piano Marvel. I looked it up just now. Got interested by the “trophies”.

Please help me with these doubts. Does this software allow MIDIs to be uploaded? And if yes, does it give out trophies on completion of the self-uploaded MIDIs?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tech-key
Hello, everyone!

I don’t know much about Piano Marvel. I looked it up just now. Got interested by the “trophies”.

Please help me with these doubts. Does this software allow MIDIs to be uploaded? And if yes, does it give out trophies on completion of the self-uploaded MIDIs?

You can upload scores, not MIDIs. That said, I believe if you are working through Alfred's, you don't even need to do that since they offer Alfred's as an add-on, I believe.

For a digital piano, you need either bluetooth connected to a tablet (assuming the digital piano has bluetooth) or a cable to connect the piano to a computer to use PM properly and "earn trophies." There are some videos on Youtube from the company on how this all works.
Posted By: Riff Raff

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tech-key
Does this software allow MIDIs to be uploaded?

Upload Songs to Piano Marvel
Posted By: Tech-key

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You can upload scores, not MIDIs. That said, I believe if you are working through Alfred's, you don't even need to do that since they offer Alfred's as an add-on, I believe.

For a digital piano, you need either bluetooth connected to a tablet (assuming the digital piano has bluetooth) or a cable to connect the piano to a computer to use PM properly and "earn trophies." There are some videos on Youtube from the company on how this all works.
Actually, I don't want to use it for Alfred's. But for the random songs I pick from time to time for fun. I only do the RH. I thought a s/w could help with the motivation of adding the LH.

Thanks, Riff Raff, for the video. It says MIDI files can be uploaded.

Would be very interested, if they give trophies for uploaded MIDIs also. Otherwise, it won't help me much right now. I'll go check their site and YouTube to find if this is possible.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tech-key
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You can upload scores, not MIDIs. That said, I believe if you are working through Alfred's, you don't even need to do that since they offer Alfred's as an add-on, I believe.

For a digital piano, you need either bluetooth connected to a tablet (assuming the digital piano has bluetooth) or a cable to connect the piano to a computer to use PM properly and "earn trophies." There are some videos on Youtube from the company on how this all works.
Actually, I don't want to use it for Alfred's. But for the random songs I pick from time to time for fun. I only do the RH. I thought a s/w could help with the motivation of adding the LH.

Thanks, Riff Raff, for the video. It says MIDI files can be uploaded.

Would be very interested, if they give trophies for uploaded MIDIs also. Otherwise, it won't help me much right now. I'll go check their site and YouTube to find if this is possible.


Yes, it gives trophies for uploaded MIDIs when you play them. However, you can't only upload the MIDI. You have to upload the score, which can be created in the free MuseScore app. Also, you have to play the piece on your keyboard when connected to the PM software. You can't record your playing of the piece and get a trophy for it.

There is already a substantial free library of pieces, so it's possible that if you are trying to learn a western piece, it might already be in the library.

What I do is upload the piece I want to work on into PM, then I slice and dice it into pieces in PM. And when I practice the piece, I get scored for that in PM, and it remembers the score so I always know what parts I have practiced well enough and what parts need more work.
Posted By: Tech-key

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Yes, it gives trophies for uploaded MIDIs when you play them. However, you can't only upload the MIDI. You have to upload the score, which can be created in the free MuseScore app. Also, you have to play the piece on your keyboard when connected to the PM software. You can't record your playing of the piece and get a trophy for it.

There is already a substantial free library of pieces, so it's possible that if you are trying to learn a western piece, it might already be in the library.

What I do is upload the piece I want to work on into PM, then I slice and dice it into pieces in PM. And when I practice the piece, I get scored for that in PM, and it remembers the score so I always know what parts I have practiced well enough and what parts need more work.

I wanted to use it for Indian songs or any particular arrangement I like for a western song. I simplify the LH using the MuseScore software. You mentioned that they will give out trophies for any kind of upload (as long as the keyboard is connected to the s/w), which is great. Thanks!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Tech-key
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Yes, it gives trophies for uploaded MIDIs when you play them. However, you can't only upload the MIDI. You have to upload the score, which can be created in the free MuseScore app. Also, you have to play the piece on your keyboard when connected to the PM software. You can't record your playing of the piece and get a trophy for it.

There is already a substantial free library of pieces, so it's possible that if you are trying to learn a western piece, it might already be in the library.

What I do is upload the piece I want to work on into PM, then I slice and dice it into pieces in PM. And when I practice the piece, I get scored for that in PM, and it remembers the score so I always know what parts I have practiced well enough and what parts need more work.

I wanted to use it for Indian songs or any particular arrangement I like for a western song. I simplify the LH using the MuseScore software. You mentioned that they will give out trophies for any kind of upload (as long as the keyboard is connected to the s/w), which is great. Thanks!


Using MuseScore, you just export both the *.musicxml and *.mid files and then upload those into PM. You can then slice up the piece if you want in PM to learn only one part of it at a time or only one hand. You can get scores/trophies for each of those pieces too, in addition to the entire piece. For now, you have to use a version of MuseScore which is earlier than release 3.0 though (earlier versions are available on the MuseScore website). This compatibility issue is something I'd expect PM to fix shortly.
Posted By: Tech-key

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/21/19 07:35 PM

Thanks Tyrone, for the detailed info!
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/22/19 05:06 PM

Regarding the connection of the iPad to the keyboard. I don't know if anybody has mentioned this but you can connect a 3.5mm cable to the headphone jack on the iPad, assuming your iPad has one, and to the sound input on most keyboards so that the audio from PianoMarvel gets routed through the keyboard speakers. That way, when you connect headphones, practice is completely silent.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/22/19 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Regarding the connection of the iPad to the keyboard. I don't know if anybody has mentioned this but you can connect a 3.5mm cable to the headphone jack on the iPad, assuming your iPad has one, and to the sound input on most keyboards so that the audio from PianoMarvel gets routed through the keyboard speakers. That way, when you connect headphones, practice is completely silent.

There was a bit of discussion of this earlier in this long (!) thread. Some people (like me with an FP30) don't have an audio-in jack though, in which case, we have do do the same thing with a small mixing board instead.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/24/19 11:59 PM

I sent a suggestion in to the PianoMarvel people that they allow users to start an exercise by tapping a pedal. That would allow users to save time and keep both hands on the keyboard at the beginning of an exercise. It takes me a while to hit that little play button at the bottom of the screen because the music desk on my keyboard obscures a little bit of the screen.

At the moment, I have a 61 key keyboard without a pedal but I'll be upgrading to 88 keys and three pedals in the near future! I've preordered the new Casio PX-S3000 and I am looking forward to getting it sometime in April.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
At the moment, I have a 61 key keyboard without a pedal but I'll be upgrading to 88 keys and three pedals in the near future! I've preordered the new Casio PX-S3000 and I am looking forward to getting it sometime in April.

Congrats on the upcoming upgrade to a fully weighted keyboard!
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
At the moment, I have a 61 key keyboard without a pedal but I'll be upgrading to 88 keys and three pedals in the near future! I've preordered the new Casio PX-S3000 and I am looking forward to getting it sometime in April.

Congrats on the upcoming upgrade to a fully weighted keyboard!


Thanks! I'm excited about this upgrade. I think my lessons will become even more interesting once I get the new keyboard.

In addition to continuing my work with PianoMarvel, I'm going to try learning from James Rhodes's book, How to Play the Piano, in which he says he can teach anyone to play Bach's Prelude in C major in about six weeks. Are all of the pieces from Book I of the Well Tempered Clavier in the library in PianoMarvel?

I'm in the middle of reading James's other book, Instrumental, which documents his horrific childhood and early adulthood. Music pretty much saved his life.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
I sent a suggestion in to the PianoMarvel people that they allow users to start an exercise by tapping a pedal. That would allow users to save time and keep both hands on the keyboard at the beginning of an exercise. It takes me a while to hit that little play button at the bottom of the screen because the music desk on my keyboard obscures a little bit of the screen.

At the moment, I have a 61 key keyboard without a pedal but I'll be upgrading to 88 keys and three pedals in the near future! I've preordered the new Casio PX-S3000 and I am looking forward to getting it sometime in April.


I sent them the same suggestion back before I gave up on sending them suggestions. While I don't know anything about MIDI, it seems that the pedal information would have to be sent to the computer or VSTs would be quite crippled.

What I used to do is put a 2nd keyboard on the floor and tap the spacebar with my left foot. But very slowly I am starting to adjust to moving my hands away from the piano and back again.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I sent them the same suggestion back before I gave up on sending them suggestions.

I was just discussing in email with their lead developer last night adding proper support for grace notes. Right now they are displayed, but not tracked. Looks like they will do. I suggest that they still do listen to suggestions. Also, the crew that is at PM seems to have largely turned over in the last 12 months. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by LarryK
I sent a suggestion in to the PianoMarvel people that they allow users to start an exercise by tapping a pedal. That would allow users to save time and keep both hands on the keyboard at the beginning of an exercise. It takes me a while to hit that little play button at the bottom of the screen because the music desk on my keyboard obscures a little bit of the screen.

At the moment, I have a 61 key keyboard without a pedal but I'll be upgrading to 88 keys and three pedals in the near future! I've preordered the new Casio PX-S3000 and I am looking forward to getting it sometime in April.


I sent them the same suggestion back before I gave up on sending them suggestions. While I don't know anything about MIDI, it seems that the pedal information would have to be sent to the computer or VSTs would be quite crippled.

What I used to do is put a 2nd keyboard on the floor and tap the spacebar with my left foot. But very slowly I am starting to adjust to moving my hands away from the piano and back again.


I see I'm not the only one with the problem. That's clever, putting a second keyboard on the floor and using it as a pedal. My iPad does have a keyboard but it doesn't work wirelessly. Maybe a Bluetooth keyboard would work.

Since they're capturing all the notes from the keyboard and comparing them to the original score, I don't see why they couldn't detect a pedal press. As far as I know, they're not doing anything with pedal messages.

By the way, what is a VST? I know about the Vienna Symphonic Library (VSL) and its sampled sounds. I hope to use some of those sounds with the new keyboard.

I know that the software people behind these kind of products are often overworked so I cut them some slack in terms of building new features. I can live without the pedal functionality but it would make the whole process flow better and allow me to continue my playing without moving my hands from the keyboard.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
By the way, what is a VST?

VST = Virtual Studio Technology

Originally Posted by LarryK
I know about the Vienna Symphonic Library (VSL) and its sampled sounds. I hope to use some of those sounds with the new keyboard.

Yes, VSL is a VST - a "sampled" one. Another VST you might want to try out (because it has a free demo version) is Pianoteq which is a "modeled" VST.

Some people swear by modeled (me! me! wink ) and others by sampled, so you might want to give both a go. Easier to give modeled a go though because of the free trial/demo. I don't believe any of the sampled VSTs have a free trial/demo, but I could be wrong.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I sent them the same suggestion back before I gave up on sending them suggestions.

I was just discussing in email with their lead developer last night adding proper support for grace notes. Right now they are displayed, but not tracked. Looks like they will do. I suggest that they still do listen to suggestions. Also, the crew that is at PM seems to have largely turned over in the last 12 months. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything.


Respectfully, to each his own. My experience has been a wee bit different and I have had it with paying to be someone's beta tester.

I sure hope they've hung onto Joel. That guy is relentless with bugs.

For me, after over 30 years as a software developer, I have learned to never fall in love with a company. The best company in the world can fall into the hands of a group of relentless cost cutters with no appreciation for quality and circle the drain in no time. I like PM and I think they have a product that could change the piano world. I hope it stays that way, at least long enough for me to improve my sight reading.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK

I see I'm not the only one with the problem. That's clever, putting a second keyboard on the floor and using it as a pedal. My iPad does have a keyboard but it doesn't work wirelessly. Maybe a Bluetooth keyboard would work.


Sorry, I'm totally a Windows & Android guy. I had an iPad for a while but it was strictly for aviation. There's no way to buy a cheap USB keyboard and get some kind of Lightning to USB adapter?
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by LarryK

I see I'm not the only one with the problem. That's clever, putting a second keyboard on the floor and using it as a pedal. My iPad does have a keyboard but it doesn't work wirelessly. Maybe a Bluetooth keyboard would work.


Sorry, I'm totally a Windows & Android guy. I had an iPad for a while but it was strictly for aviation. There's no way to buy a cheap USB keyboard and get some kind of Lightning to USB adapter?


I have the lightning to USB connector but that is being used to connect to PianoMarvel on the iPad. I don't really want to be stepping on a Bluetooth keyboard, haha, I'd like to be able to use a pedal.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK

I have the lightning to USB connector but that is being used to connect to PianoMarvel on the iPad. I don't really want to be stepping on a Bluetooth keyboard, haha, I'd like to be able to use a pedal.


Yeah, me too.

Now I really don't know how you'd achieve this with PM but over the years I've found that best way to get a software enhancement approved is to convince management that it's their idea! smile
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/25/19 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I sent them the same suggestion back before I gave up on sending them suggestions.

I was just discussing in email with their lead developer last night adding proper support for grace notes. Right now they are displayed, but not tracked. Looks like they will do. I suggest that they still do listen to suggestions. Also, the crew that is at PM seems to have largely turned over in the last 12 months. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything.


Respectfully, to each his own. My experience has been a wee bit different and I have had it with paying to be someone's beta tester.

I sure hope they've hung onto Joel. That guy is relentless with bugs.

For me, after over 30 years as a software developer, I have learned to never fall in love with a company. The best company in the world can fall into the hands of a group of relentless cost cutters with no appreciation for quality and circle the drain in no time. I like PM and I think they have a product that could change the piano world. I hope it stays that way, at least long enough for me to improve my sight reading.


I've also spent my entire working life as a software developer. I think PianoMarvel is kind of unique as it is score-based and not video game based, for the lack of a better term.

I have noticed that the iPad version will stop showing the blue line after a while. I get it to work again by killing the process and restarting the app. It's not a deal breaker.

As for grace notes, that would be cool! They don't track duration of notes, that would be another big enhancement.

I'm happy that there is an app out there that forces me to play in time and note perfect. There is no such thing on the guitar so I use a metronome every single practice session. I also play along with StaffPad running on a beautiful Surface Studio computer. For writing in music with a stylus, StaffPad is magical software, and costs only $70.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/27/19 11:03 PM

Has anybody used the Alfred Adult Beginner Piano Book inside of PianoMarvel. Is it worth purchasing?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/27/19 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Has anybody used the Alfred Adult Beginner Piano Book inside of PianoMarvel. Is it worth purchasing?

The last time I looked to see if there were paid add-ons was back in February 2018 when I originally subscribed, and I asked PM Tech Support at that time and there were no paid add-ons or song collections - just the base system. I guess there has been at least one added since. I'm not so interested in Alfred's since I am already taking lessons with a teacher, but are there any other paid song collections besides Alfred's? And is the subscription for them one time or an additional monthly charge?
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/28/19 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Has anybody used the Alfred Adult Beginner Piano Book inside of PianoMarvel. Is it worth purchasing?

The last time I looked to see if there were paid add-ons was back in February 2018 when I originally subscribed, and I asked PM Tech Support at that time and there were no paid add-ons or song collections - just the base system. I guess there has been at least one added since. I'm not so interested in Alfred's since I am already taking lessons with a teacher, but are there any other paid song collections besides Alfred's? And is the subscription for them one time or an additional monthly charge?


Good questions,

If you type "Alfred" in the title field here:

https://pianomarvel.com/music-library/

you will see a number of books entitled Alfred's Premier Piano Course, and one for the Adult Group Piano for Adults. So, I guess the Adult Beginner book is not available.

I can't tell the pricing from that page but those books seem to be included in the PREMIUM package. It says they were added in April 2015, which is interesting because you said they were not available in February of 2018.

Update: I was able to add the Alfred Premier Course in PianoMarvel. I have Levels 1-6, just the pieces. I suppose I'll have to buy the book for other learning material. At the moment, I don't have a teacher.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/28/19 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Update: I was able to add the Alfred Premier Course in PianoMarvel. I have Levels 1-6, just the pieces. I suppose I'll have to buy the book for other learning material. At the moment, I don't have a teacher.

So when you say you were able to add, do you mean add without paying? Because in that case, it is consistent with what they told me in February 2018. They told me there were no "paid add-ons", not that there were no add-ons at all.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/28/19 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Update: I was able to add the Alfred Premier Course in PianoMarvel. I have Levels 1-6, just the pieces. I suppose I'll have to buy the book for other learning material. At the moment, I don't have a teacher.

So when you say you were able to add, do you mean add without paying? Because in that case, it is consistent with what they told me in February 2018. They told me there were no "paid add-ons", not that there were no add-ons at all.


I was able to add it as part of having a Premium membership. So, I don't think there are any paid add-ons. I am, however, in my free trial period so I'll find out when I buy a year's subscription whether there are any paid add-ons.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/28/19 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Update: I was able to add the Alfred Premier Course in PianoMarvel. I have Levels 1-6, just the pieces. I suppose I'll have to buy the book for other learning material. At the moment, I don't have a teacher.

So when you say you were able to add, do you mean add without paying? Because in that case, it is consistent with what they told me in February 2018. They told me there were no "paid add-ons", not that there were no add-ons at all.


I was able to add it as part of having a Premium membership. So, I don't think there are any paid add-ons. I am, however, in my free trial period so I'll find out when I buy a year's subscription whether there are any paid add-ons.

So paid Premium is different than paid Standard? I think I only have the paid Standard membership. When I signed up, there was only one paid membership after the free trial period.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/28/19 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Update: I was able to add the Alfred Premier Course in PianoMarvel. I have Levels 1-6, just the pieces. I suppose I'll have to buy the book for other learning material. At the moment, I don't have a teacher.

So when you say you were able to add, do you mean add without paying? Because in that case, it is consistent with what they told me in February 2018. They told me there were no "paid add-ons", not that there were no add-ons at all.


I was able to add it as part of having a Premium membership. So, I don't think there are any paid add-ons. I am, however, in my free trial period so I'll find out when I buy a year's subscription whether there are any paid add-ons.

So paid Premium is different than paid Standard? I think I only have the paid Standard membership. When I signed up, there was only one paid membership after the free trial period.



It looks like the only choices are Premium Monthly and Premium Annual.

https://pianomarvel.com/users/subscribe
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/28/19 01:58 AM

I think it just means that you can't access certain things when you have a free trial. Some things are only accessible once you have a paid subscription. There is nothing that I haven't been able to access.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/28/19 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I think it just means that you can't access certain things when you have a free trial. Some things are only accessible once you have a paid subscription. There is nothing that I haven't been able to access.


Could you see if the Alfred Adult Beginner book is available? The Premier series seems aimed at children, which might be ok, haha.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/28/19 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I think it just means that you can't access certain things when you have a free trial. Some things are only accessible once you have a paid subscription. There is nothing that I haven't been able to access.


Could you see if the Alfred Adult Beginner book is available? The Premier series seems aimed at children, which might be ok, haha.

In terms of complete courses, I may have missed a few, but I see only 4 Alfred books: Alfred's Premier Piano Course, Alfred's Christmas Premier Piano Course, and Alfreds Group Piano for Adults 1 & 2.

From what I read on the teachers forum, it seems some adult students and teachers prefer the children's course over the "adult course" because the adult course is accelerated, and so when there is not enough material, teachers have to add their own enrichment, while the children's course goes through more material for each level. You can do a search on Alfred's on the teachers forum and see for yourself.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 02/28/19 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
I think it just means that you can't access certain things when you have a free trial. Some things are only accessible once you have a paid subscription. There is nothing that I haven't been able to access.


Could you see if the Alfred Adult Beginner book is available? The Premier series seems aimed at children, which might be ok, haha.

In terms of complete courses, I may have missed a few, but I see only 4 Alfred books: Alfred's Premier Piano Course, Alfred's Christmas Premier Piano Course, and Alfreds Group Piano for Adults 1 & 2.

From what I read on the teachers forum, it seems some adult students and teachers prefer the children's course over the "adult course" because the adult course is accelerated, and so when there is not enough material, teachers have to add their own enrichment, while the children's course goes through more material for each level. You can do a search on Alfred's on the teachers forum and see for yourself.


Thanks for that clarification. Ok, I'll sign up for the children's course! I think I still have to buy the books as only the pieces are available in Piano Marvel, as far as I can tell.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/01/19 09:59 PM

Are any of you going to be submitting for the PianoMarvel Youtube contest for which entries are due in 2 days?
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/01/19 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Are any of you going to be submitting for the PianoMarvel Youtube contest for which entries are due in 2 days?


No sir. But good luck to all who are into this sort of thing.

I discovered this morning that PM changed the flashcard exercises. You no longer have to actually play them on tempo. If you can peck them out in 'prepare' mode you're golden. This will certainly free me from some stress but I'm not sure what caused the change or if it's really going to help me. I reported it as a bug, then found out it was a deliberate change.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/02/19 05:26 PM

Lately I had a lot of problems with the software of Marvel. The plugin was not running and in prepare mode the program missed correct notes. That was in Firefox. I then installed Google Chrome and all the problems were solved. Piano Marvel runs like a train. So if you also have problems, try Chrome, maybe everything will be solved. wink
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/02/19 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Tech-key
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Yes, it gives trophies for uploaded MIDIs when you play them. However, you can't only upload the MIDI. You have to upload the score, which can be created in the free MuseScore app. Also, you have to play the piece on your keyboard when connected to the PM software. You can't record your playing of the piece and get a trophy for it.

There is already a substantial free library of pieces, so it's possible that if you are trying to learn a western piece, it might already be in the library.

What I do is upload the piece I want to work on into PM, then I slice and dice it into pieces in PM. And when I practice the piece, I get scored for that in PM, and it remembers the score so I always know what parts I have practiced well enough and what parts need more work.

I wanted to use it for Indian songs or any particular arrangement I like for a western song. I simplify the LH using the MuseScore software. You mentioned that they will give out trophies for any kind of upload (as long as the keyboard is connected to the s/w), which is great. Thanks!


Using MuseScore, you just export both the *.musicxml and *.mid files and then upload those into PM. You can then slice up the piece if you want in PM to learn only one part of it at a time or only one hand. You can get scores/trophies for each of those pieces too, in addition to the entire piece. For now, you have to use a version of MuseScore which is earlier than release 3.0 though (earlier versions are available on the MuseScore website). This compatibility issue is something I'd expect PM to fix shortly.


Remember that all tempo marks in MIDI and musicxml should be removed or the upload plays errors. Even after the export, the MIDI file has to be opened a second time in Musescore, which apparently puts a tempo mark on it during first export.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/03/19 07:31 PM

Ok, I paid for a year's membership in PianoMarvel! I ordered the first four levels of the Alfred Premier books.

I know how easy it is to give up but I will strive to practice every day. I've started the Level 3 exercises.

I saw a TED talk where someone described a school in which they did not give failing grades, they gave a grade of Not Yet. They found by doing that the students would stay engaged in trying to solve the problems and not give up and decide they had failed. With more effort, the Not Yet grades could turn into Now.

I think it is important to believe in the power of incremental improvement. Day to day, it looks like there is no progress, but week to week or month to month, those timespans tell a different story.



Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/05/19 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK

I think it is important to believe in the power of incremental improvement. Day to day, it looks like there is no progress, but week to week or month to month, those timespans tell a different story.


SO TRUE !!!
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/05/19 01:56 PM

Just saw this video. Making me quite motivated to perhaps maybe buy another years subscription. I kept my account as a free one for SASR tests after the first year ran out but I am now thinking perhaps I should use PM for more advanced stuff

Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/05/19 02:09 PM

That video is inspirational!

So, on simple pieces, on the iPad, I have not seen the Prepare and Assess buttons. How do get those to come up?
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/05/19 02:43 PM

I don't think the Prepare mode is available in the iPad app, only on the web browser version. I'll have to figure out a way to hold my laptop behind the keyboard so I can work with it that way.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/05/19 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Just saw this video. Making me quite motivated to perhaps maybe buy another years subscription. I kept my account as a free one for SASR tests after the first year ran out but I am now thinking perhaps I should use PM for more advanced stuff


Wow. This is great! I do some of these things but obviously didn't have such an expert tool guide, nor am I so advanced as Jordan that I would progress even partially as quickly. But I am amazed, in general. I suspect this tool has helped accelerate his learning of this piece and he would not have gotten as far as he did if her were working on his own and tool-less. I will be trying some of these things.

Originally Posted by LarryK
I don't think the Prepare mode is available in the iPad app, only on the web browser version. I'll have to figure out a way to hold my laptop behind the keyboard so I can work with it that way.

For this reason, I ended up using a monitor myself.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/05/19 05:10 PM

Ditto on the monitor, plus computer glasses. This hobby is hard enough without struggling against my post middle aged eyes.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/06/19 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
Just saw this video. Making me quite motivated to perhaps maybe buy another years subscription. I kept my account as a free one for SASR tests after the first year ran out but I am now thinking perhaps I should use PM for more advanced stuff


akc42 I wonder if you keep in free account your personal library that you have built up in the paying version? Today I am more busy with songs I have uploaded myself than with the method of technique of PM. Can you please let me know?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/06/19 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Ditto on the monitor, plus computer glasses. This hobby is hard enough without struggling against my post middle aged eyes.


You can enlarge the screen in PianoMarvel, "CTRL +" I must do that too, me over middle age :p
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/06/19 12:14 PM

I’m much happier now that I switched to my laptop and have Prepare mode. I flipped around a Manhassett stand and use that behind the keyboard. I’ll have to take it out of there when I practice guitar with my duo partner but that isn’t too often.

I was talking to my friend who is fairly advanced on the piano. She’s afraid she will ignore dynamics and technique if she uses PianoMarvel. She thinks she’ll use it like a video game. I did get her to try it and she got a 100 on a big chunk of Mozart’s Rondo. She does think that the tool speeds up the learning process.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/06/19 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65

akc42 I wonder if you keep in free account your personal library that you have built up in the paying version? Today I am more busy with songs I have uploaded myself than with the method of technique of PM. Can you please let me know?


I can't seem to access it - when I try it says I need a premium account. I suspect its all still there (everything else is remembered). I am awaiting my credit card switch over date before re-subscribing as I have totally blown my budget. (Wife Birthday and Grandson Drum lessons).
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/06/19 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
I was talking to my friend who is fairly advanced on the piano. She’s afraid she will ignore dynamics and technique if she uses PianoMarvel. She thinks she’ll use it like a video game. I did get her to try it and she got a 100 on a big chunk of Mozart’s Rondo. She does think that the tool speeds up the learning process.

There are a number of things missing from Piano Marvel. For example, can't change tempo during a piece (speed up, slow down, rubato), etc etc. Dynamics and at least some articulations are in PM though. As we find things missing we can discuss having them add it. I was talking to PM about adding proper support for grace notes. For example, I upload pieces with hairpins and there are PM pieces already in the lessons with staccato, etc.

Personally I'm using PM only to learn pieces I upload and not the lessons within PM. I only use it for learning the notes to the approximate tempo required. Then I have to drop out of PM to further improve the piece.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/06/19 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
I was talking to my friend who is fairly advanced on the piano. She’s afraid she will ignore dynamics and technique if she uses PianoMarvel. She thinks she’ll use it like a video game. I did get her to try it and she got a 100 on a big chunk of Mozart’s Rondo. She does think that the tool speeds up the learning process.

There are a number of things missing from Piano Marvel. For example, can't change tempo during a piece (speed up, slow down, rubato), etc etc. Dynamics and at least some articulations are in PM though. As we find things missing we can discuss having them add it. I was talking to PM about adding proper support for grace notes. For example, I upload pieces with hairpins and there are PM pieces already in the lessons with staccato, etc.

Personally I'm using PM only to learn pieces I upload and not the lessons within PM. I only use it for learning the notes to the approximate tempo required. Then I have to drop out of PM to further improve the piece.


I'm ok with using it to get a piece to a certain level and then working outside of it, if necessary. I think the software still has value, in that case.

Are there any other software packages that offer this kind of coaching? I looked into Playground Sessions a little bit but it seems focused on pop music, and they try to up sell every single piece. I have no interest in playing pop songs. I'm far more interested in playing the music of dead composers. The works by dead guys are cheaper, anyway,

I'm more than happy to pay the subscription fee in order to encourage them to keep developing the product.
Posted By: 1stTimer

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 12:27 AM

Hi
Long time lurker. Just got PM talking to my iPad and worked my way through the technique half of Sec 1-A to get accustomed to it. Really fun.
Posted By: Beardog

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 12:43 AM

I signed up for the 30 day free trial today, after this thread caught my eye. As a returning pianist after over 40 years away, I will just have to see if it is useful for me. I briefly looked at the beginner stuff, and I am musically beyond most of that. I am going to start with level 6, and the "Minuet in G minor," just to see how things go. Thirty days seems like an excellent, generous trial period.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Beardog
I signed up for the 30 day free trial today, after this thread caught my eye. As a returning pianist after over 40 years away, I will just have to see if it is useful for me. I briefly looked at the beginner stuff, and I am musically beyond most of that. I am going to start with level 6, and the "Minuet in G minor," just to see how things go. Thirty days seems like an excellent, generous trial period.

You might want to take a look at the livestream Youtube video recording linked to above by akc42. The "Jordan" in the video who is using it to learn a new Sonata has 11 years of piano and is considerably more advanced than PM level 6. I myself haven't used the PM built-in lessons since June 2018 because I have a teacher, but yet I still use PM to learn pieces I upload myself and play (as a shadow of what Jordan is doing in the video).
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 01:35 AM

I'd give my right arm for a way to trigger the space bar without taking my hands off of the keyboard. Should I put a stick in my mouth? Bach evidently did this when he ran out of fingers and wanted to hit more keys.

Please, please, please, tie the space bar to a pedal, or enable a speech recognition action, so I can yell: "Again!" I sent in the suggestion abut the pedal, I hope they do it.

I'm pretty close to putting a Bluetooth keyboard on the floor and triggering the space bar with my foot, as we previously discussed.
Posted By: Beardog

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Beardog
I signed up for the 30 day free trial today, after this thread caught my eye. As a returning pianist after over 40 years away, I will just have to see if it is useful for me. I briefly looked at the beginner stuff, and I am musically beyond most of that. I am going to start with level 6, and the "Minuet in G minor," just to see how things go. Thirty days seems like an excellent, generous trial period.

You might want to take a look at the livestream Youtube video recording linked to above by akc42. The "Jordan" in the video who is using it to learn a new Sonata has 11 years of piano and is considerably more advanced than PM level 6. I myself haven't used the PM built-in lessons since June 2018 because I have a teacher, but yet I still use PM to learn pieces I upload myself and play (as a shadow of what Jordan is doing in the video).


Thanks, I'll take a look. I doubt that I am much above PM level 6 after so long away from a piano!
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Beardog
I signed up for the 30 day free trial today, after this thread caught my eye. As a returning pianist after over 40 years away, I will just have to see if it is useful for me. I briefly looked at the beginner stuff, and I am musically beyond most of that. I am going to start with level 6, and the "Minuet in G minor," just to see how things go. Thirty days seems like an excellent, generous trial period.


There is also the library with tons of music, up to level 18 wink
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Beardog
I signed up for the 30 day free trial today, after this thread caught my eye. As a returning pianist after over 40 years away, I will just have to see if it is useful for me. I briefly looked at the beginner stuff, and I am musically beyond most of that. I am going to start with level 6, and the "Minuet in G minor," just to see how things go. Thirty days seems like an excellent, generous trial period.


There is also the library with tons of music, up to level 18 wink

I just have not figured out how PM levels equate to grades outside of PM. I wish PM folks would just tell us. smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK

I'm pretty close to putting a Bluetooth keyboard on the floor and triggering the space bar with my foot, as we previously discussed.


I use the time of countdown to put my hands back, usually that time is enough right? The intention is ultimately that you find the keys not looking...Or is your keyboard so far away from your piano? That of mine stands just above the piano, right hand spacebar, the left remains on the spot and that works nicely... And I'm already old and slow :p
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 09:49 AM

For LarryK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w laugh
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by LarryK

I'm pretty close to putting a Bluetooth keyboard on the floor and triggering the space bar with my foot, as we previously discussed.


I use the time of countdown to put my hands back, usually that time is enough right? The intention is ultimately that you find the keys not looking...Or is your keyboard so far away from your piano? That of mine stands just above the piano, right hand spacebar, the left remains on the spot and that works nicely... And I'm already old and slow :p


Yes, I suppose it is good practice to be able to quickly get into position but can’t I get an exception for the first measure? Hitting the space bar all the time interrupts the flow for me and I’ll be doing that move thousands of times in the next year. My laptop is not that far away but it is slightly behind the keyboard. I’ll deal with it. Perhaps I can map a Bluetooth pedal to trigger the space bar or whatever key I like. I’ll investigate.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65


That’s a hilarious video. I love Igudesman & Joo and I have a ticket to see them in New York with Emanuel Ax! I can’t wait.

My duet partner (classical guitar) is always asking me when I’m going to start playing Rachmaninoff, haha. I always say I’ll get to it in a week.

Honestly, I’m happy that I’ve started work on the C Major Prelude from Book I of the Well Tempered Clavier. Bach is my favorite composer. If I was only allowed to listen to one composer, it would be Bach. Sorry, Sergei, you crazy Russian.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 11:06 AM

I’m going to send a note to the PianoMarvel people to ask them if their software is compatible with a Bluetooth page turner, like the ones from PageFlip:

https://pageflip.com

Does anybody on here know?
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK


Honestly, I’m happy that I’ve started work on the C Major Prelude from Book I of the Well Tempered Clavier. Bach is my favorite composer.


This is one of the pieces in Method Level 6 - without looking about 6C but I am not sure. I was struggling with it (mainly at the fastest tempo) when I gave up PM last year.

Still don't understand why you need to hit the space bar and get you hands back to the keyboard super fast. I have a laptop which sits on top of the piano. I use the mouse to either click "Assess" or in the SASR test "Continue" and have plenty of time to get in position before anything starts to happen that requires me to play.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK

I was talking to my friend who is fairly advanced on the piano. She’s afraid she will ignore dynamics and technique if she uses PianoMarvel. She thinks she’ll use it like a video game. I did get her to try it and she got a 100 on a big chunk of Mozart’s Rondo. She does think that the tool speeds up the learning process.


Josh of Piano Marvel addresses this a bit in his latest livestream. In summary he talks about 5 key items in the 5th item he talks about how to speed up practice to learn a new piece.
  • Chords
  • Scales
  • Teacher
  • Theory
  • Piano Marvel


Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by LarryK


Honestly, I’m happy that I’ve started work on the C Major Prelude from Book I of the Well Tempered Clavier. Bach is my favorite composer.


This is one of the pieces in Method Level 6 - without looking about 6C


I was wrong it starts at exercise 8 in 6A
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 01:09 PM

Quote
Yes, I suppose it is good practice to be able to quickly get into position but can’t I get an exception for the first measure? Hitting the space bar all the time interrupts the flow for me and I’ll be doing that move thousands of times in the next year. My laptop is not that far away but it is slightly behind the keyboard. I’ll deal with it. Perhaps I can map a Bluetooth pedal to trigger the space bar or whatever key I like. I’ll investigate.


Look what this guy does with his feet, there's still hope. Do look till the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gMlbVFe5HM
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by LarryK


Honestly, I’m happy that I’ve started work on the C Major Prelude from Book I of the Well Tempered Clavier. Bach is my favorite composer.


This is one of the pieces in Method Level 6 - without looking about 6C but I am not sure. I was struggling with it (mainly at the fastest tempo) when I gave up PM last year.

Still don't understand why you need to hit the space bar and get you hands back to the keyboard super fast. I have a laptop which sits on top of the piano. I use the mouse to either click "Assess" or in the SASR test "Continue" and have plenty of time to get in position before anything starts to happen that requires me to play.


I’m a bit surprised that piece is on Level 6. It’s pattern based and seems quite clear to me, although I just started on it. I’m trying it because James Rhodes wrote a little book entitled How to Play the Piano in which he claims to be able to teach anybody to be play it in six weeks, even if they’ve never touched the keyboard. Now, the Fugue is another story.

I have a renewed sense of how music can improve people’s lives, even save them, after reading James’s book Instrumental.

I guess I’m just trying to shorten the run-play cycle. I ordered a Bluetooth pedal and will try it out to see if it will work.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote
Yes, I suppose it is good practice to be able to quickly get into position but can’t I get an exception for the first measure? Hitting the space bar all the time interrupts the flow for me and I’ll be doing that move thousands of times in the next year. My laptop is not that far away but it is slightly behind the keyboard. I’ll deal with it. Perhaps I can map a Bluetooth pedal to trigger the space bar or whatever key I like. I’ll investigate.


Look what this guy does with his feet, there's still hope. Do look till the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gMlbVFe5HM


Haha, that’s a bit silly. There is no way I’m standing on the neck of one of my precious classical guitars. Anything goes with electrics! Organists do a lot of things with their feet but I have enough trouble coordinating two hands.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Look what this guy does with his feet, there's still hope. Do look till the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gMlbVFe5HM

Haha, that’s a bit silly. There is no way I’m standing on the neck of one of my precious classical guitars. Anything goes with electrics! Organists do a lot of things with their feet but I have enough trouble coordinating two hands.

If you play classical guitar duets, then I'm sure you can coordinate your two hands a lot better than the rest of us beginners! wink
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Look what this guy does with his feet, there's still hope. Do look till the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gMlbVFe5HM

Haha, that’s a bit silly. There is no way I’m standing on the neck of one of my precious classical guitars. Anything goes with electrics! Organists do a lot of things with their feet but I have enough trouble coordinating two hands.

If you play classical guitar duets, then I'm sure you can coordinate your two hands a lot better than the rest of us beginners! wink


Oh, I’d say I’m struggling along with everybody else. Perhaps I have developed some coordination between my two hands but I have to transfer that skill to a new instrument.

I have had a lot of experience reading treble clef but none reading bass clef so that is a skill I have to develop. My brain still sees the bass clef as the treble clef.

I was practicing in Prepare mode this morning and was not seeing the pop up with the number of red notes and the time. I think I used to see that. Is there a way that gets turned on and off?
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
I’m going to send a note to the PianoMarvel people to ask them if their software is compatible with a Bluetooth page turner, like the ones from PageFlip:

https://pageflip.com

Does anybody on here know?


I'm interested to know if you have heard back about this question yet.

By the way, if you are a Facebook user, a bunch of us are active in a group over there (Piano for Beginners) and one of the members, Josh Mills, works for Piano Marvel and he's been very helpful in answering questions and passing along suggestions.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/07/19 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Originally Posted by LarryK
I’m going to send a note to the PianoMarvel people to ask them if their software is compatible with a Bluetooth page turner, like the ones from PageFlip:

https://pageflip.com

Does anybody on here know?


I'm interested to know if you have heard back about this question yet.

By the way, if you are a Facebook user, a bunch of us are active in a group over there (Piano for Beginners) and one of the members, Josh Mills, works for Piano Marvel and he's been very helpful in answering questions and passing along suggestions.


So, I did hear back and a Blutetooth page turner does not turn pages in PM because page turns are done automatically. I didn’t want it for that. I’m hoping to map a pedal to the space bar. They’re not sure if that would work so I’m going to test it. I ordered a PageFlip pedal.

I’ve been trying to get away from Facebook but I will think about joining the group.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/10/19 01:53 AM

So, I received the PageFlip today but it was the cheaper one, the Butterfly, which does not seem to allow a user to change the keys sent so I can't get it to send a space bar.It has default keys it sends, none are the space bar.

If I buy the more expensive one, it will send a space bar, and comes with software to change the keys being sent. It's a bit cray, I admit, but I'll probably get the more expensive one.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/10/19 05:30 PM

Copied from Keselo's thread:

Originally Posted by LarryK
offtopic2: I wrote up the first exercise in Mikrokosmos in StaffPad, exported Midi and XML files, uploaded to PianoMarvel and somehow it was all chopped off except for the last three measures. I filed a support ticket. Such is life with computer software. No need to discuss. Back to playing with instruments that don't throw so many errors.

That's an odd problem that has never occurred to me, but I use MuseScore and not StaffPad. If you want to share the XML file on a dropbox, I could try to import and re-export from MuseScore and see if that works.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/10/19 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Copied from Keselo's thread:

Originally Posted by LarryK
offtopic2: I wrote up the first exercise in Mikrokosmos in StaffPad, exported Midi and XML files, uploaded to PianoMarvel and somehow it was all chopped off except for the last three measures. I filed a support ticket. Such is life with computer software. No need to discuss. Back to playing with instruments that don't throw so many errors.

That's an odd problem that has never occurred to me, but I use MuseScore and not StaffPad. If you want to share the XML file on a dropbox, I could try to import and re-export from MuseScore and see if that works.


Thanks Tyrone, much appreciated!

Here is a link to the two files in Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d0v8nrix45d7c4f/AABd-MSjHjbkJGGc9RMCGWR-a?dl=0
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/10/19 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
[quote=Tyrone Slothrop]Copied from Keselo's thread:

[quote=LarryK]offtopic2: I wrote up the first exercise in Mikrokosmos in StaffPad, exported Midi and XML files, uploaded to PianoMarvel and somehow it was all chopped off except for the last three measures


Mikrokosmos is available in the library Piano Marvel, no need to upload it smile


I also looked at the your midi and xml, and there is still a tempo marking in the midi. That should be gone or PM makes mistakes.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/10/19 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That's an odd problem that has never occurred to me, but I use MuseScore and not StaffPad. If you want to share the XML file on a dropbox, I could try to import and re-export from MuseScore and see if that works.

Thanks Tyrone, much appreciated!

Here is a link to the two files in Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d0v8nrix45d7c4f/AABd-MSjHjbkJGGc9RMCGWR-a?dl=0

Well, I found the issue. There is a bug in PM uploading compressed Music XML format (file extension: mxl). I'm not sure if it is fully supported in PM, although PM clearly recognizes the extension and even does enough of the processing to recognize part of the file. The same thing occurs with me - getting only the last 3 measures in PM - wheither I upload your *.mxl file directly myself to PM or I first open your *.mxl in Musescore, and then export Musescore's own *.mxl file and upload that to PM. However, when I open your *.mxl file in Musescore and then export an uncompressed *.musicmxl file and upload that into PM, all the measures appear in PM.

So the solution is that you must save from StaffPad an uncompressed Music XML format file (file extension: musicxml). If this format is not yet supported, bug the StaffPad developer about it, and as a temporary workaround, you too can download the free Musescore app on your Mac and use it to just convert your StaffPad produced .mxl format files into .musicmxl (You must use the Musescore version immediately before 3.0 for now due to a bug in PM with the latest 3.x series Musescore).

It's good you opened the bug report with PM. They should not be partially supporting a file format. Either fully support the compressed .mxl format or give an error on upload. BTW, in this vein, I even tried changing the .mxl file format extension to a .musicxml, and PM immediately threw up on trying to upload with the error message of unrecognized file format, which doesn't happen when that file is a .mxl format file. So clearly it knows "about" .mxl files, even if it doesn't process them correctly.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/10/19 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by LarryK
[quote=Tyrone Slothrop]Copied from Keselo's thread:

[quote=LarryK]offtopic2: I wrote up the first exercise in Mikrokosmos in StaffPad, exported Midi and XML files, uploaded to PianoMarvel and somehow it was all chopped off except for the last three measures


Mikrokosmos is available in the library Piano Marvel, no need to upload it smile


I also looked at the your midi and xml, and there is still a tempo marking in the midi. That should be gone or PM makes mistakes.


You're right! I looked for them and did not see them but now I do. Strange. Thanks for that tip about tempo markings.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/10/19 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That's an odd problem that has never occurred to me, but I use MuseScore and not StaffPad. If you want to share the XML file on a dropbox, I could try to import and re-export from MuseScore and see if that works.

Thanks Tyrone, much appreciated!

Here is a link to the two files in Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d0v8nrix45d7c4f/AABd-MSjHjbkJGGc9RMCGWR-a?dl=0

Well, I found the issue. There is a bug in PM uploading compressed Music XML format (file extension: mxl). I'm not sure if it is fully supported in PM, although PM clearly recognizes the extension and even does enough of the processing to recognize part of the file. The same thing occurs with me - getting only the last 3 measures in PM - wheither I upload your *.mxl file directly myself to PM or I first open your *.mxl in Musescore, and then export Musescore's own *.mxl file and upload that to PM. However, when I open your *.mxl file in Musescore and then export an uncompressed *.musicmxl file and upload that into PM, all the measures appear in PM.

So the solution is that you must save from StaffPad an uncompressed Music XML format file (file extension: musicxml). If this format is not yet supported, bug the StaffPad developer about it, and as a temporary workaround, you too can download the free Musescore app on your Mac and use it to just convert your StaffPad produced .mxl format files into .musicmxl (You must use the Musescore version immediately before 3.0 for now due to a bug in PM with the latest 3.x series Musescore).

It's good you opened the bug report with PM. They should not be partially supporting a file format. Either fully support the compressed .mxl format or give an error on upload. BTW, in this vein, I even tried changing the .mxl file format extension to a .musicxml, and PM immediately threw up on trying to upload with the error message of unrecognized file format, which doesn't happen when that file is a .mxl format file. So clearly it knows "about" .mxl files, even if it doesn't process them correctly.



Good job! Thank you. I don't believe StaffPad exports to anything besides mxl so I will have to do that trick with Musescore. I will mention it to the developers of StaffPad.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/19 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
I don't believe StaffPad exports to anything besides mxl so I will have to do that trick with Musescore. I will mention it to the developers of StaffPad.

Well, having been a programmer in a past life, and having not looked at the specs for the musicxml and mxl file formats, my educated guess is that since StaffPad already supports mxl, it might be close to trivial for them to hack into their app support for musicxml. They just have to be motivated to do it.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/19 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
I don't believe StaffPad exports to anything besides mxl so I will have to do that trick with Musescore. I will mention it to the developers of StaffPad.

Well, having been a programmer in a past life, and having not looked at the specs for the musicxml and mxl file formats, my educated guess is that since StaffPad already supports mxl, it might be close to trivial for them to hack into their app support for musicxml. They just have to be motivated to do it.


I will ask them. I find their software to be as close to magic as I've ever seen, and so, I can forgive them this oversight.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/19 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by LarryK
[quote=Tyrone Slothrop]Copied from Keselo's thread:

[quote=LarryK]offtopic2: I wrote up the first exercise in Mikrokosmos in StaffPad, exported Midi and XML files, uploaded to PianoMarvel and somehow it was all chopped off except for the last three measures


Mikrokosmos is available in the library Piano Marvel, no need to upload it smile


I also looked at the your midi and xml, and there is still a tempo marking in the midi. That should be gone or PM makes mistakes.


You're right! I looked for them and did not see them but now I do. Strange. Thanks for that tip about tempo markings.


Ok, I'm working my way through the Mikrokosmos book. I play all measures of each exercise with the Assessment mode for each of the three tempos. Is that all I have to do in order to get marked off for that exercise?

Is there some other mode I'm supposed to be tested in? I feel like I'm missing something. I'm a little new to the Chrome/laptop interface. I was using the iPad app in the past.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/19 01:59 PM

Quote
Is there some other mode I'm supposed to be tested in? I feel like I'm missing something. I'm a little new to the Chrome/laptop interface. I was using the iPad app in the past.


Up to Microcosmos 1:6 six unison melodies 6 I don't see a golden star either. From 1:7 Dotted notes the stars are visible.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/19 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote
Is there some other mode I'm supposed to be tested in? I feel like I'm missing something. I'm a little new to the Chrome/laptop interface. I was using the iPad app in the past.


Up to Microcosmos 1:6 six unison melodies 6 I don't see a golden star either. From 1:7 Dotted notes the stars are visible.


Ah, thanks Sarah! I thought something was missing. Perhaps I'm too fixated on getting gold stars. ;-)
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/19 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote
Is there some other mode I'm supposed to be tested in? I feel like I'm missing something. I'm a little new to the Chrome/laptop interface. I was using the iPad app in the past.


Up to Microcosmos 1:6 six unison melodies 6 I don't see a golden star either. From 1:7 Dotted notes the stars are visible.


Ah, thanks Sarah! I thought something was missing. Perhaps I'm too fixated on getting gold stars. ;-)

I find that Mikrokosmos very good exercises to train left and right. Since I use that, my left hand goes much better.
Don't we all love golden stars laugh
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/11/19 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
I don't believe StaffPad exports to anything besides mxl so I will have to do that trick with Musescore. I will mention it to the developers of StaffPad.

Well, having been a programmer in a past life, and having not looked at the specs for the musicxml and mxl file formats, my educated guess is that since StaffPad already supports mxl, it might be close to trivial for them to hack into their app support for musicxml. They just have to be motivated to do it.


I will ask them. I find their software to be as close to magic as I've ever seen, and so, I can forgive them this oversight.


It turns out that there is an option in the dropdown in StaffPad to export to uncompressed, it just defaults to compressed. So, I should be good to go. I'll have to try it out.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/14/19 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote
Is there some other mode I'm supposed to be tested in? I feel like I'm missing something. I'm a little new to the Chrome/laptop interface. I was using the iPad app in the past.


Up to Microcosmos 1:6 six unison melodies 6 I don't see a golden star either. From 1:7 Dotted notes the stars are visible.


Ah, thanks Sarah! I thought something was missing. Perhaps I'm too fixated on getting gold stars. ;-)

I find that Mikrokosmos very good exercises to train left and right. Since I use that, my left hand goes much better.
Don't we all love golden stars laugh


Hello Sarah,

Is Book 2 of Mikrokosmos in the Library? I can't seem to find it. The exercises are great for training both hands, I agree.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/14/19 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Hello Sarah,

Is Book 2 of Mikrokosmos in the Library? I can't seem to find it. The exercises are great for training both hands, I agree.

If it isn't, you can email PM and encourage them to upload it. It's a useful educational work and PM is all about education. They are actively loading all sorts of stuff into the library, and I think a complete set of 6 volumes of Mikrokosmos would be an excellent thing to have in their library.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Hello Sarah,

Is Book 2 of Mikrokosmos in the Library? I can't seem to find it. The exercises are great for training both hands, I agree.

If it isn't, you can email PM and encourage them to upload it. It's a useful educational work and PM is all about education. They are actively loading all sorts of stuff into the library, and I think a complete set of 6 volumes of Mikrokosmos would be an excellent thing to have in their library.


Yes, I agree. I have sent them a note encouraging them to put all the volumes into the library. I can write them up in StaffPad, and I'm pretty fast at it, but it does take time away from practicing and other things, so, I'd rather not do it if I don't have to.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 08:58 AM

Quote

Hello Sarah,

Is Book 2 of Mikrokosmos in the Library? I can't seem to find it. The exercises are great for training both hands, I agree.


Did you finish book 1 already then? I can only do one song every day. For so far I know there is no other in the library. As Tyrone said, ask PM wink
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote

Hello Sarah,

Is Book 2 of Mikrokosmos in the Library? I can't seem to find it. The exercises are great for training both hands, I agree.


Did you finish book 1 already then? I can only do one song every day. For so far I know there is no other in the library. As Tyrone said, ask PM wink

That would have been impressively fast! grin I had assumed LarryK was just planning ahead for when he does finish!
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 10:39 AM

I had to look up Mikrokosmos. So is that work old enough that copyright doesn't apply? (I have no idea how profitable PM is.)
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Quote

Hello Sarah,

Is Book 2 of Mikrokosmos in the Library? I can't seem to find it. The exercises are great for training both hands, I agree.


Did you finish book 1 already then? I can only do one song every day. For so far I know there is no other in the library. As Tyrone said, ask PM wink

That would have been impressively fast! grin I had assumed LarryK was just planning ahead for when he does finish!


Fear not, I’m not an adult prodigy! Actually, the definition of prodigy says child or youth so child prodigy is redundant, I’d say.

My progress is one exercise a day. I was planning ahead and thinking of others.

Yes, what is the copyright status of Mikrokosmos? Did PM just post it and wait for a takedown notice? Maybe Bartok would have liked PM for his son.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 12:31 PM

Quote

Yes, what is the copyright status of Mikrokosmos? Did PM just post it and wait for a takedown notice? Maybe Bartok would have liked PM for his son.


https://imslp.org/wiki/Mikrokosmos%2C_Sz.107_(Bartók%2C_Béla)
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Yes, what is the copyright status of Mikrokosmos? Did PM just post it and wait for a takedown notice? Maybe Bartok would have liked PM for his son.

Originally Posted by LarryK
https://imslp.org/wiki/Mikrokosmos%2C_Sz.107_(Bartók%2C_Béla)

In the US, it will go out of copyright next September. No idea where the PM servers are though.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Yes, what is the copyright status of Mikrokosmos? Did PM just post it and wait for a takedown notice? Maybe Bartok would have liked PM for his son.

Originally Posted by LarryK
https://imslp.org/wiki/Mikrokosmos%2C_Sz.107_(Bartók%2C_Béla)

In the US, it will go out of copyright next September. No idea where the PM servers are though.


Thanks for this information. The person from PM said they would request permission to add the other volumes.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 06:45 PM

Quote
In the US, it will go out of copyright next September. No idea where the PM servers are though.


Colorado Is their headquarters ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N29cSoeGm8&fbclid=IwAR2STe5CtZUZOioJDGENL8xTqf-w7aNR-uFN0MfzanGgaaxTcNtB9fK45yU

at 0.31 smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
The exercises are great for training both hands, I agree.

I would like to see anyone sight-read Volume 6, though smile The pieces in that are very advanced. For example, this one is considered an advanced diploma level (professional):



Even by Book 3, there will be pieces that will be too difficult to sight read for us beginners, such as this one here:



I'm sure they still will be great training pieces even if not sight-readable by beginners.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 11:21 PM

Yes, the road is going to get difficult. I would be ecstatic if I could make it through Volume 2.

In the description in the beginning of the book, it says the first three volumes are good for the first one or two years of study. If anybody makes it to Volume 2, I'm willing to write the pieces up in StaffPad and mail around the MIDI and XML files.

Strangely, the uncompressed XML file from StaffPad chopped off the piece just like the compressed file so I'm a bit puzzled as to what is wrong.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/15/19 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Strangely, the uncompressed XML file from StaffPad chopped off the piece just like the compressed file so I'm a bit puzzled as to what is wrong.

If you want to compare the XML to find the difference, here is a DropBox link to your original compressed mxl file after it is converted to the uncompressed musicxml format, which MuseScore converted for me. This uncompressed musicxml format file does work to upload into PM. I had changed nothing in the score, just opened your provided file and then exported in uncompressed musicxml format. You can compare the XML in this file with the XML when StaffPad writes the uncompressed MusicXML directly.

I imagine you'd find the issue pretty much right away. Often it is something minor in these cases either an incorrect interpretation of the XML format in PM or StaffPad. I'd be willing to bet though that MuseScore is doing it correct if its output is readable by PM, so likely the error is occurring in either PM or StaffPad... or both.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/18/19 11:16 PM

Today, I received the Yamaha P-515! It's nice, I am happy that I bought it.

I hooked up PianoMarvel to the new keyboard. The first time I tried PM, it would not recognize the keyboard. I rebooted my MacBook Pro and then it worked. Maybe it somehow remembered my old keyboard?

I hooked up the sound output from the MacBook to the Aux Input on the P-515 using a 3.5mm jack. Everything works as before, but it seems to me that the PianoMarvel count in voice is kind of distorted. I don't believe I hear this distortion when listening to YouTube videos on the laptop. I tried turning the volume down on my laptop, but it does not seem to make a difference. Has anybody else noticed this? I don't think I hear distortion in the accompaniment.

I'm using a brand new pair of Denon AH-D7200 headphones which sound amazing with the Yamaha. I happened to stick the keyboard between my stereo speakers and when I play with headphones and look at the speakers, it seems like the sound is coming out of the speaker. It is uncanny.

I installed the trial version of Pianoteq 6 and I can see how that is going to be a lot of fun. I think I'll buy it. Am I right in assuming it is sending the sounds back through the USB cable or is it using the audio output? Do I need to turn off Local Control?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/18/19 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Today, I received the Yamaha P-515! It's nice, I am happy that I bought it.

I hooked up PianoMarvel to the new keyboard. The first time I tried PM, it would not recognize the keyboard. I rebooted my MacBook Pro and then it worked. Maybe it somehow remembered my old keyboard?

This happens all the time to me for my piano computer which is Win10Pro. Never been able to cure it. I usually just rebook my computer and it resolves it. A couple of times, I've had to reboot the DP too. I would be very interested if anyone found what is the cause of this or the "proper solution" that makes rebooting unnecessary since it is inconvenient and takes time. On the other hand, I usually leave my computer on all the time, and the typical time this happens for me is when I turn the DP off - say to clean the keys, for example.

Originally Posted by LarryK
I hooked up the sound output from the MacBook to the Aux Input on the P-515 using a 3.5mm jack. Everything works as before, but it seems to me that the PianoMarvel count in voice is kind of distorted. I don't believe I hear this distortion when listening to YouTube videos on the laptop. I tried turning the volume down on my laptop, but it does not seem to make a difference. Has anybody else noticed this? I don't think I hear distortion in the accompaniment.

I personally avoid by using a small mixing board that mixes the output of the piano with the output of my piano computer, and this is then fed to my headphone amp and headphones. I just figure that piano's amps were tuned for piano output. Why would I want to put voice through it?

Originally Posted by LarryK
I installed the trial version of Pianoteq 6 and I can see how that is going to be a lot of fun. I think I'll buy it. Am I right in assuming it is sending the sounds back through the USB cable or is it using the audio output?

I don't know about sending sounds back via USB. I suppose it is possible if one has the right drivers installed. In my case, the signal is sent via an audio output, and not so long ago, I got an external audio interface for the computer so that the ASIO driver would not block the audio channel from other apps using it (say PM, etc.). But I don't have P515. I believe the P515 has a special audio interface, so it may actually work via USB, as you suggested.

Originally Posted by LarryK
Do I need to turn off Local Control?

Yes.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/19/19 12:55 AM

Thanks TS! All of that information is useful. What are you using for a headphone amp and mixer? I could put the outputs from a mixer into my stereo and use the headphone out jack from my preamp and see how that sounds.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/19/19 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Today, I received the Yamaha P-515! It's nice, I am happy that I bought it.

I hooked up PianoMarvel to the new keyboard. The first time I tried PM, it would not recognize the keyboard. I rebooted my MacBook Pro and then it worked. Maybe it somehow remembered my old keyboard?

This happens all the time to me for my piano computer which is Win10Pro. Never been able to cure it. I usually just rebook my computer and it resolves it. A couple of times, I've had to reboot the DP too. I would be very interested if anyone found what is the cause of this or the "proper solution" that makes rebooting unnecessary since it is inconvenient and takes time. On the other hand, I usually leave my computer on all the time, and the typical time this happens for me is when I turn the DP off - say to clean the keys, for example.

Originally Posted by LarryK
I hooked up the sound output from the MacBook to the Aux Input on the P-515 using a 3.5mm jack. Everything works as before, but it seems to me that the PianoMarvel count in voice is kind of distorted. I don't believe I hear this distortion when listening to YouTube videos on the laptop. I tried turning the volume down on my laptop, but it does not seem to make a difference. Has anybody else noticed this? I don't think I hear distortion in the accompaniment.

I personally avoid by using a small mixing board that mixes the output of the piano with the output of my piano computer, and this is then fed to my headphone amp and headphones. I just figure that piano's amps were tuned for piano output. Why would I want to put voice through it?

Originally Posted by LarryK
I installed the trial version of Pianoteq 6 and I can see how that is going to be a lot of fun. I think I'll buy it. Am I right in assuming it is sending the sounds back through the USB cable or is it using the audio output?

I don't know about sending sounds back via USB. I suppose it is possible if one has the right drivers installed. In my case, the signal is sent via an audio output, and not so long ago, I got an external audio interface for the computer so that the ASIO driver would not block the audio channel from other apps using it (say PM, etc.). But I don't have P515. I believe the P515 has a special audio interface, so it may actually work via USB, as you suggested.

Originally Posted by LarryK
Do I need to turn off Local Control?

Yes.


Ok, I turned off Local Control so I can hear the sound generated by Pianoteq. The trouble is that the level is very low and I can't figure out how to boost it. There is probably an option in the keyboard menu somewhere. Any ideas?

Also, I unplugged the 3.5m jack from my MacBook Pro and I still got sound so it can send sound back through the USB cable to the keyboard. I went into the Settings app, Sound option, and Digital Piano shows up under sound outputs so that seems to be working fine.

I'm not too worried about the distortion in the count down voice, I was just checking to see if that problem showed up in other places.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/19/19 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
The trouble is that the level is very low and I can't figure out how to boost it. There is probably an option in the keyboard menu somewhere. Any ideas?

This is probably some setting on the P515. Perhaps if you post to this thread here or start a new one on the digital forum? There are a number of P515 people there.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/19/19 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Originally Posted by LarryK
Do I need to turn off Local Control?

Yes.


I don't

I have a Kawai CA67 and feed the output from Piano Marvel into a (separate) line in port on the CA67 which then mixes the sound from the piano with the incoming sound from PM. I mostly listen to the result through headphones connected directly to the piano.

Strangely I have never detected any problems with either distortion or latency.

I do have the benefit that the CA67 has a separate volume control for line in so I can mix the volumes how I want, not sure what the P515 might have
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/19/19 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
The trouble is that the level is very low and I can't figure out how to boost it. There is probably an option in the keyboard menu somewhere. Any ideas?

This is probably some setting on the P515. Perhaps if you post to this thread here or start a new one on the digital forum? There are a number of P515 people there.


I believe the only control over the output is from the Sound section in Settings on my Mac. I have it working ok now and was able to raise the levels.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/19/19 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Originally Posted by LarryK
Do I need to turn off Local Control?

Yes.


I don't

I have a Kawai CA67 and feed the output from Piano Marvel into a (separate) line in port on the CA67 which then mixes the sound from the piano with the incoming sound from PM. I mostly listen to the result through headphones connected directly to the piano.

Strangely I have never detected any problems with either distortion or latency.

I do have the benefit that the CA67 has a separate volume control for line in so I can mix the volumes how I want, not sure what the P515 might have




I was using a separate 3.5mm cable from the headphone jack into a separate line in port, as you are doing, but I figured out that I don't need to do that. I can choose the Digital Piano/USB cable interface as the Sound output device from my Mac and all sound from the Mac goes through the keyboard. Pretty nifty. I guess this is a capability in a USB to Host interface.

As I mentioned above, I can change the level of sound output from the Mac side, and I have a main volume slider on the P-515. Pianoteq throws in their own volume slider and a dynamic range switch, I believe. There are lots of controls to play with.

I haven't detected latency, it was just the voice that seemed weird. Maybe I've stopped noticing it.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/19/19 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Originally Posted by LarryK
Do I need to turn off Local Control?

Yes.

I don't

I don't believe you are using a VST, are you? LarryK has to turn off MIDI "Local Control", not because of his Piano Marvel, but because as an alternative he is using a VST, Pianoteq, as his sound generator instead of the built-in sound generator in his piano. Turning off the MIDI "Local Control" effectively turns his P515 into a MIDI Controller where the sound is generated on his computer instead of in the synthesizer/keyboard itself.
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Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/20/19 09:28 AM

I’m up and running with Pianoteq. Yes, Local Control needs to be turned off.

To start, I bought the Stage edition and chose the Blüthner and the Steinway Model B instrument packs. It’s fun to be able to change the sound. I own two standard scale classical guitars, one a cedar top and one a spruce top. I alternate between them, switching each day, to hear a different sound. I see myself doing the same sort of thing with Pianoteq.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/24/19 01:06 AM

Are these works:

"Kinderszenen" and "Album für die Jugend"

by Robert Schumann in PianoMarvel?

Somebody recommended these pieces for first year students.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/24/19 09:37 AM

No, but there is Bela Bartok Mikrokosmos...also good for beginners. If you typ Schumann in the search /library, you find everything there is.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/24/19 09:38 AM

Thank you Eli smile
Now that I am no longer obliged to always get 100% in technique I fly true. Those 100% fetch was for me always more luck (by handicap) than knowledge. I'm really happy with that decision. And The crazy thing is, now all that stress (and pain) is falling off I sometimes get still 100%... That's so crazy.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/24/19 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
No, but there is Bela Bartok Mikrokosmos...also good for beginners. If you typ Schumann in the search /library, you find everything there is.


I’ve worked my way through the first sixteen exercises in volume I of Mikrokosmos. They’re cleverly difficult.

I did search for those Schumann pieces but didn’t find them. I only asked because I also searched for Mikrokosmos and didn’t find it but you nice people told me it was in there. Maybe I misspelled it. Perhaps I’ll send the Schumann pieces in to PM’s music editor.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/24/19 12:36 PM

You can also search at https://imslp.org/ but maybe you know that already smile
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/24/19 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
You can also search at https://imslp.org/ but maybe you know that already smile


Yes, I know about that. smile The trouble is finding the time to write them in. It’s more convenient when they’re already in the library.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/24/19 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Perhaps I’ll send the Schumann pieces in to PM’s music editor.

Yes, do that! They are constantly adding new stuff, and anything out of copyright already is fair game for the library smile
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/25/19 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Perhaps I’ll send the Schumann pieces in to PM’s music editor.

Yes, do that! They are constantly adding new stuff, and anything out of copyright already is fair game for the library smile


Ok, I did, I sent them scans of the two books I mentioned. Perhaps they have a better way of getting the music in the library than my writing the pieces up with StaffPad.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/26/19 01:37 PM

I just got the following message from Piano Marvel:

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3. Sight Reading Challenge in May! Be ready to help your students participate in a game changing 30 days that will help them become stellar sight readers. Do all of your students have an account set up so you will easily be able to track their progress?


I'll be interested to see how the Sight Reading Challenge works. I'll probably participate in this one given my underdeveloped sight reading skills.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/26/19 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I just got the following message from Piano Marvel:

Quote
3. Sight Reading Challenge in May! Be ready to help your students participate in a game changing 30 days that will help them become stellar sight readers. Do all of your students have an account set up so you will easily be able to track their progress?


I'll be interested to see how the Sight Reading Challenge works. I'll probably participate in this one given my underdeveloped sight reading skills.


I suppose it will be just SASR or a few new bootcamps... I don't expect much from it. smile
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/27/19 11:30 PM

Sorry I did not read through this whole thread but does anyone know if I can listen to my piano and Piano Marvel on iPad through my headphones at the same time?

I have 2 headphone jacks on my Casio Privia PX-735 and when I have my headphones on, I cannot hear Piano Marvel. I am using a USB to iPad cable.

Thanks!
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/27/19 11:36 PM

Yes, you need a cable from the headphone jack on the iPad to the keyboard.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/27/19 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Yes, you need a cable from the headphone jack on the iPad to the keyboard.

That would be the easiest way if WeakLeftHand's keyboard has an audio input. Otherwise, a cheap mixing board is needed. See this point in this thread for discussion of this and other possibilities.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/28/19 12:55 AM

Thanks.

I have determined that my DP does not have an audio input, just 2 phone jacks (I suppose they are both output)?

Now I gotta go figure out the cheap mixing board option that Tyrone Slothrop posted.
Posted By: Groove On

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/28/19 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
I have determined that my DP does not have an audio input, just 2 phone jacks ... Now I gotta go figure out the cheap mixing board option ...

You can avoid the external mixer if you run Piano Marvel + a VST like Pianoteq, together on the computer. Great way to de-clutter your workspace.

This just works on a Mac, on a Windows PC you might have to fiddle with the ASIO settings to make it mix multiple audio streams.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 03/28/19 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Groove On
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
I have determined that my DP does not have an audio input, just 2 phone jacks ... Now I gotta go figure out the cheap mixing board option ...

You can avoid the external mixer if you run Piano Marvel + a VST like Pianoteq, together on the computer. Great way to de-clutter your workspace.

This just works on a Mac, on a Windows PC you might have to fiddle with the ASIO settings to make it mix multiple audio streams.

I have not gotten this to work on Win10 with ASIO4ALL with only the PC's own audio interface on the motherboard, but I have gotten it to work with an external audio interface with its own ASIO driver.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 07:21 AM

Piano Marvel as released a new version of their app but it doesn't install on my Windows 10. Just hangs mid-install. Anyone else have this problem?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Piano Marvel as released a new version of their app but it doesn't install on my Windows 10. Just hangs mid-install. Anyone else have this problem?

I rebooted my Windows machine and found that this time, the new version of the PM app installed correctly without hanging. So if anyone has a hanging problem, try rebooting.

I wonder if this version supports the new release of Musescore?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Piano Marvel as released a new version of their app but it doesn't install on my Windows 10. Just hangs mid-install. Anyone else have this problem?

I rebooted my Windows machine and found that this time, the new version of the PM app installed correctly without hanging. So if anyone has a hanging problem, try rebooting.

I wonder if this version supports the new release of Musescore?


I think you should ask that to the team of PM. How do you know that there is a new version of the APP? I have already proposed to send a newsletter when something new comes and what has changed. How Do you proceed in PM? I can already do the quarter combos that I feared for so long. smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Piano Marvel as released a new version of their app but it doesn't install on my Windows 10. Just hangs mid-install. Anyone else have this problem?

I rebooted my Windows machine and found that this time, the new version of the PM app installed correctly without hanging. So if anyone has a hanging problem, try rebooting.

I wonder if this version supports the new release of Musescore?


I think you should ask that to the team of PM. How do you know that there is a new version of the APP?

When I started PM on my Windows 10 computer, a window popped up saying there was a new version of the PM app, v10.21. However, I just tried it on my MacBook, and nothing like that popped up. It's possible this was just a release to fix some Windows bugs.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to try it out since now my DP doesn't want to turn on! shocked cry

Are you on Mac or Windows? If on Windows, is your version already 10.21?

Originally Posted by Sarah65
I have already proposed to send a newsletter when something new comes and what has changed.

Great idea.

Originally Posted by Sarah65
How Do you proceed in PM? I can already do the quarter combos that I feared for so long. smile

I've still only been using PM to learn pieces from outside PM (I upload my own stuff). But very timely for the PW Nordic Recital which is open for registration on ABF, I see there is a new songbook of piano pieces from the Norwegian composer Grieg!

At some point, I think I will finish the levels in PM though. It sort of teases me that I am only halfway though... smile
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 12:25 PM

By the way, Josh told me he fixed the import bug I ran into when exporting from a StaffPad and importing into PM. It was the bug where all but the last few measures were cut off in PM. PM does seem fixed but I ran into a crash exporting the Midi file in StaffPad, lol. So, I took the exported MusicXML file from StaffPad, imported it into MuseScore and exported a Midi file and MusicXML from there and it worked in PM. Now, I have to report the StaffPad bug.

I hope fingerings from MuseScore import correctly into PM. Anybody try that?

On another topic, I feel that the legato lines in PM are too close to the bottom of the staff such that they sometimes trick me into playing wrong notes while sightreading. Anybody else have that feeling?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
On another topic, I feel that the legato lines in PM are too close to the bottom of the staff such that they sometimes trick me into playing wrong notes while sightreading. Anybody else have that feeling?

The ledger lines seem fine to me. They are positioned based on the size of the noteheads, so it's a bit standard.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
On another topic, I feel that the legato lines in PM are too close to the bottom of the staff such that they sometimes trick me into playing wrong notes while sightreading. Anybody else have that feeling?

The ledger lines seem fine to me. They are positioned based on the size of the noteheads, so it's a bit standard.



Can I change the size of the note heads in PM? :-) In printed music, I feel that the ledger lines are much farther away from the staff than in PM. That’s my gut feeling, I will compare. The solution is to play only staccato. :-)
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 12:42 PM

Quote


I think you should ask that to the team of PM. How do you know that there is a new version of the APP?

When I started PM on my Windows 10 computer, a window popped up saying there was a new version of the PM app, v10.21. However, I just tried it on my MacBook, and nothing like that popped up. It's possible this was just a release to fix some Windows bugs.[/quote]

I have v.10.21 a long time. They send it to me because I get a lot "unexpected error" Maybe thats why I don't see the popup smile I'm on windows 8.1.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 02:22 PM

My fingerings do not come across from MuseScore. :-( Sad.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
My fingerings do not come across from MuseScore. :-( Sad.

You might be doing it wrong. Mine come over. How are you inserting fingering? Using the Musescore fingering panel?
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
My fingerings do not come across from MuseScore. :-( Sad.

You might be doing it wrong. Mine come over. How are you inserting fingering? Using the Musescore fingering panel?


Clearly, I am doing something wrong!

I double click on a note to select it and then I double click on the Staff Text in the pallet to put the text above the note. I see that is my problem.

How do I bring up the fingering pallet?

I see I can add fingering by selecting a note and pressing 1-5. That should do it.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 05:46 PM

I use a plugin in musescore for the fingering, not tested yet in PM
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/04/19 05:57 PM

Ok, I got the fingering to work. Selecting a note in MuseScore and hitting a number did not work for me but selecting a note and using the Add/Text/Fingering menu option did work for me and the fingerings transferred into PM.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/05/19 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Ok, I got the fingering to work. Selecting a note in MuseScore and hitting a number did not work for me but selecting a note and using the Add/Text/Fingering menu option did work for me and the fingerings transferred into PM.

As an alternative to menu options, on the Mac, there is a left window with all the palettes and fingering is one of the palettes. Don't know if this is on Windows though.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/05/19 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Ok, I got the fingering to work. Selecting a note in MuseScore and hitting a number did not work for me but selecting a note and using the Add/Text/Fingering menu option did work for me and the fingerings transferred into PM.

As an alternative to menu options, on the Mac, there is a left window with all the palettes and fingering is one of the palettes. Don't know if this is on Windows though.


I stare at that little palette window, and can’t figure out which option does the fingering. How is it labeled? I tried searching in help which led me to the menu option.

I think I have demonstrated that Staff Text does not transfer into PM.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/05/19 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Ok, I got the fingering to work. Selecting a note in MuseScore and hitting a number did not work for me but selecting a note and using the Add/Text/Fingering menu option did work for me and the fingerings transferred into PM.

As an alternative to menu options, on the Mac, there is a left window with all the palettes and fingering is one of the palettes. Don't know if this is on Windows though.


I stare at that little palette window, and can’t figure out which option does the fingering. How is it labeled? I tried searching in help which led me to the menu option.

I think I have demonstrated that Staff Text does not transfer into PM.

[Linked Image]

There is a little pull-down at the bottom of the Palettes window. If yours says "Basic," switch to "Advanced" first as in the screen shown above.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/05/19 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Ok, I got the fingering to work. Selecting a note in MuseScore and hitting a number did not work for me but selecting a note and using the Add/Text/Fingering menu option did work for me and the fingerings transferred into PM.

As an alternative to menu options, on the Mac, there is a left window with all the palettes and fingering is one of the palettes. Don't know if this is on Windows though.


I stare at that little palette window, and can’t figure out which option does the fingering. How is it labeled? I tried searching in help which led me to the menu option.

I think I have demonstrated that Staff Text does not transfer into PM.

[Linked Image]

There is a little pull-down at the bottom of the Palettes window. If yours says "Basic," switch to "Advanced" first as in the screen shown above.


Ah, ha! Thanks. I must be in Basic mode because I don’t see that Fingering palette. I’m new to MuseScore. I prefer StaffPad, which lets me do so much with a stylus that the program almost disappears and becomes a pencil on paper.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/10/19 05:15 PM

Did you See "NEW FEATURE PIANO TUTORIAL" in Musescore? A skinny version of Synthesia smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/10/19 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Did you See "NEW FEATURE PIANO TUTORIAL" in Musescore? A skinny version of Synthesia smile

Horror. shocked Sometimes you don't want to look but can't help it!
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/11/19 08:15 AM

Quote
Horror. shocked Sometimes you don't want to look but can't help it!


Same here...I wonder how the fingering go's and look quickly, its an ugly interface laugh
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/19 12:47 PM

Technique in Pm is still a bitch, even though I no longer aspire to 100%. And I also see little benefit from struggling to get there, in the playing in method. On the contrary, after a whole level technique in the key or F I tend to play Bb anywhere if there is a B in a piece. Crazy!!!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/19 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Technique in Pm is still a bitch, even though I no longer aspire to 100%. And I also see little benefit from struggling to get there, in the playing in method. On the contrary, after a whole level technique in the key or F I tend to play Bb anywhere if there is a B in a piece. Crazy!!!

Actually, improvement in technique and the playing of the scale and arpeggio exercises in the technique exercises, will gradually improve the repertoire playing, in fluency and smoothness. Not so sure about the other technique exercises though.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/19 01:38 PM

The Flashcards, are they in Method or Technique? They really help me with learning (relearning) the notes. The ear training is helpful for...ear training. These exercises aren’t enjoyable and sometimes I want to rip my hair out if I can’t get 100% after many times of trying, so I just skip it, walk away, and come back next session and complete it.

I guess whether you decide to struggle through those or not really depends on what results you want to achieve. For the results I want, I make myself do them. I think of them as “no pain, no gain”.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/19 05:56 PM

I need to comb through this thread and pick out all the bits of "here's how to upload a piece and get correct fingerings etc" and turn it in to a tutorial. Does such a thing already exist somewhere? The one video I can find on the PM site is almost useless as it doesn't go in to any of the details about what the midi file needs to be, how to get fingers in, how to chop up the piece, etc. It does look like you all have discussed this in the thread but it's all over the place and I'd love to get it in one place (hoping that unofficial librarian Tyrone will point me to the right places :D)
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/19 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
I need to comb through this thread and pick out all the bits of "here's how to upload a piece and get correct fingerings etc" and turn it in to a tutorial. Does such a thing already exist somewhere? The one video I can find on the PM site is almost useless as it doesn't go in to any of the details about what the midi file needs to be, how to get fingers in, how to chop up the piece, etc. It does look like you all have discussed this in the thread but it's all over the place and I'd love to get it in one place (hoping that unofficial librarian Tyrone will point me to the right places :D)

As it happens, I did write something like this up for another PW forum member. wink Will look for it after work smile
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/19 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
(hoping that unofficial librarian Tyrone will point me to the right places :D)

Here you go! Be sure to use Musescore version 2.3.2 and not the Musescore versions 3.0.x. Last I checked, 3.x was still not supported, but the PM developers told me they were working on it and it might be any time.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/15/19 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Chrispy
(hoping that unofficial librarian Tyrone will point me to the right places :D)

Here you go! Be sure to use Musescore version 2.3.2 and not the Musescore versions 3.0.x. Last I checked, 3.x was still not supported, but the PM developers told me they were working on it and it might be any time.


Thanks Tyrone! Perfect!
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/16/19 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
The Flashcards, are they in Method or Technique? They really help me with learning (relearning) the notes. The ear training is helpful for...ear training. These exercises aren’t enjoyable and sometimes I want to rip my hair out if I can’t get 100% after many times of trying, so I just skip it, walk away, and come back next session and complete it.

I guess whether you decide to struggle through those or not really depends on what results you want to achieve. For the results I want, I make myself do them. I think of them as “no pain, no gain”.


Flashcards are in both. SASR test is also very good to learn read the notes. If you search the library there are also exercices, Bartok mikrokosmos are good.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/16/19 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
The Flashcards, are they in Method or Technique? They really help me with learning (relearning) the notes. The ear training is helpful for...ear training. These exercises aren’t enjoyable and sometimes I want to rip my hair out if I can’t get 100% after many times of trying, so I just skip it, walk away, and come back next session and complete it.

I guess whether you decide to struggle through those or not really depends on what results you want to achieve. For the results I want, I make myself do them. I think of them as “no pain, no gain”.


Flashcards are in both. SASR test is also very good to learn read the notes. If you search the library there are also exercices, Bartok mikrokosmos are good.


Thanks for reminding me. I totally forgot about the SASR tests! I should try them.

Do you ever encounter a piece where you KNOW you got all the notes and rhythm right and even PM says so by indicating all green notes with no red notes, but you still get only 95% or 98%?

Also, there’s a Flashcard one that I simply could not get their counting right. It’s the first note, and the way they count, I can never enter the piece on the correct beat. Me? Or is PM a little screwy sometimes?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/16/19 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Do you ever encounter a piece where you KNOW you got all the notes and rhythm right and even PM says so by indicating all green notes with no red notes, but you still get only 95% or 98%?

Also, there’s a Flashcard one that I simply could not get their counting right. It’s the first note, and the way they count, I can never enter the piece on the correct beat. Me? Or is PM a little screwy sometimes?

I've never experienced this through the end of level 3. I've always found a reason for the small difference. However, that said, I have not tried any of the lessons in the system since June 2018.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/16/19 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand

Do you ever encounter a piece where you KNOW you got all the notes and rhythm right and even PM says so by indicating all green notes with no red notes, but you still get only 95% or 98%?

Also, there’s a Flashcard one that I simply could not get their counting right. It’s the first note, and the way they count, I can never enter the piece on the correct beat. Me? Or is PM a little screwy sometimes?


Did you notice black notes? I had that problem also, but if you look better, you see some black notes maybe?
The counting is sometimes difficult, I let it play alone in asses a few times, until I get the right beat/tempo/counting in my head. When you play along next time you get it right. If you think its PM, send an error report.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/16/19 06:57 PM

I occasionally have an issue in practice mode where it advances the cursor because I played the note, but it leaves the note black. I assume this happens sometimes in assess mode and is exhibited by a black note I'm sure I played. I'm beginning to become convinced is has to do with the escapement on my piano and the way it triggers the notes as it definitely seems to happen only when I'm playing a note and the escapement hasn't fully reset.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/16/19 08:28 PM

That's too technical for me smile Maybe Tyrone can answer?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/16/19 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
That's too technical for me smile Maybe Tyrone can answer?

I can't because it's never happened to me. In general, weird stuff used to happen alot back around April or May of 2018. These days, nothing strange ever happens to me in PM. So indeed it might just be Chrispy's piano or how he is using it.
Posted By: Rusco

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/19 08:21 PM

Hi, I'm just jumping on here for advice. I have just started using piano marvel to improve my sight reading. I use it on a mac laptop and I wonder, is there a way to change the display so I can see the full page?

I can only see the first two lines of music and scrolling down leaves very little time to actually look at the notes before starting.
Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/19 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rusco
Hi, I'm just jumping on here for advice. I have just started using piano marvel to improve my sight reading. I use it on a mac laptop and I wonder, is there a way to change the display so I can see the full page?

I can only see the first two lines of music and scrolling down leaves very little time to actually look at the notes before starting.

Ah, the drawbacks of using online marvels to practice with, which bear no resemblance to real life........

What does a pianist, about to sight-read a real piece, do?

He first scans the piece from beginning to end, noting the "shape" and "texture" of the whole, taking note of key changes, phrase lengths, where the climax(es) is/are etc, and thereby mentally making 'shapes' with his hands to encompass them. Then when he plays, he is subconsciously also noting what is about to come, not necessarily looking directly at the bars below what he's actually playing but aware of the 'shape' of the notes out of the 'sides' of his eyes so that he is mentally prepared for what comes next.

None of which is what you get in sight-reading apps and marvellous marvels.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/24/19 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by Rusco
Hi, I'm just jumping on here for advice. I have just started using piano marvel to improve my sight reading. I use it on a mac laptop and I wonder, is there a way to change the display so I can see the full page?

I can only see the first two lines of music and scrolling down leaves very little time to actually look at the notes before starting.

Ah, the drawbacks of using online marvels to practice with, which bear no resemblance to real life........

What does a pianist, about to sight-read a real piece, do?

He first scans the piece from beginning to end, noting the "shape" and "texture" of the whole, taking note of key changes, phrase lengths, where the climax(es) is/are etc, and thereby mentally making 'shapes' with his hands to encompass them. Then when he plays, he is subconsciously also noting what is about to come, not necessarily looking directly at the bars below what he's actually playing but aware of the 'shape' of the notes out of the 'sides' of his eyes so that he is mentally prepared for what comes next.

None of which is what you get in sight-reading apps and marvellous marvels.


I've always felt they the chose the name poorly. But I don't have any standing in the marketing world.

I take it you've actually used or seen someone use the app?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Rusco
Hi, I'm just jumping on here for advice. I have just started using piano marvel to improve my sight reading. I use it on a mac laptop and I wonder, is there a way to change the display so I can see the full page?

I can only see the first two lines of music and scrolling down leaves very little time to actually look at the notes before starting.


On PC windows you can resize with ctrl +/- I don't know about Mac. You can also print most songs as PDF.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by bennevis

What does a pianist, about to sight-read a real piece, do?

He first scans the piece from beginning to end, noting the "shape" and "texture" of the whole, taking note of key changes, phrase lengths, where the climax(es) is/are etc, and thereby mentally making 'shapes' with his hands to encompass them. Then when he plays, he is subconsciously also noting what is about to come, not necessarily looking directly at the bars below what he's actually playing but aware of the 'shape' of the notes out of the 'sides' of his eyes so that he is mentally prepared for what comes next.


We are not pianists (yet) we are beginners who want to learn how to read notes and understand music, no more. The rest will come later and then it will be sheet music and no online app anymore. Do not judge something you do not know.




Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
We are not pianists (yet) we are beginners who want to learn how to read notes and understand music, no more. The rest will come later and then it will be sheet music and no online app anymore. Do not judge something you do not know.

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Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by bennevis

What does a pianist, about to sight-read a real piece, do?

He first scans the piece from beginning to end, noting the "shape" and "texture" of the whole, taking note of key changes, phrase lengths, where the climax(es) is/are etc, and thereby mentally making 'shapes' with his hands to encompass them. Then when he plays, he is subconsciously also noting what is about to come, not necessarily looking directly at the bars below what he's actually playing but aware of the 'shape' of the notes out of the 'sides' of his eyes so that he is mentally prepared for what comes next.


We are not pianists (yet) we are beginners who want to learn how to read notes and understand music, no more. The rest will come later and then it will be sheet music and no online app anymore. Do not judge something you do not know.

I know, because I was once a beginner, and I kept a diary of what I did at every lesson (as I've posted about elsewhere). If you're already past laboriously counting spaces and lines from middle C to find every note that's not middle C, you should be reading from real music, and doing exactly what I said earlier, not doing it like some abstract computer game.

I was directing what I said to all learners - the earlier you start learning to sight-read like proper "pianists" (however you want to define them), the more competent you will be at it. My teacher taught me to do that from the third lesson (i.e. three weeks from starting lessons): you look through the whole piece from beginning to end, and take note of all the things I said earlier. Obviously, at three weeks, I wasn't playing any accidentals, everything was in C major and on white keys. In fact, I had to sight-read every piece that I was going to learn, in front of her, from then on: she plonked the music in front of me and watched what I did.

BTW, my first teacher also started me on aural skills right from the first lesson, because it complements sight-reading (getting familiar with intervals etc.). Of course, I was following the ABRSM syllabus and doing the exams, in which sight-reading and aural skills form an important part, right from Grade 1.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by bennevis
you should be reading from real music, and doing exactly what I said earlier, not doing it like some abstract computer game.

In case you are not aware, PM uses real music, although some of it is composed by its pianist creator. While it may be computer gam-ish, it is certainly not abstract in any of the usual senses of the word "abstract."

I believe you have perhaps switched PM with SightReadingFactory as SRF does not use real music and in this sense could be perhaps viewed as "abstract."

That said, I used SRF intensively and daily for a period of 4 weeks and I found the greatest improvement of my sight-reading skills since the earliest days of my piano learning last year. I completely did not expect this at all since the computer-generated "cruft" that SRF produces sounds cacaphonous to me. Yet, apparently, SRF does work - at least for me.
Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That said, I used SRF intensively and daily for a period of 4 weeks and I found the greatest improvement of my sight-reading skills since the earliest days of my piano learning last year. I completely did not expect this at all since the computer-generated "cruft" that SRF produces sounds cacaphonous to me. Yet, apparently, SRF does work - at least for me.

Of course it would work to some extent, considering how much time you spent doing it on a daily basis.

But how much better your sight-reading skills - and aural skills too, don't forget - might have been if you'd downloaded lots of simple pieces from IMSLP (or bought a few compilation books of easy original pieces by real composers) and used that for sight-reading practice, and spent the same amount of time on that instead? You'd also learn to associate intervals with the notes on the page and the keys on the piano, which you cannot if what you're sight-reading doesn't even sound like music, and the only way to know that you're playing a wrong note is because of a beep or blinking (or whatever).

Other benefits: you get familiar with the styles of various composers and eras, which will come in handy for when you start playing their more advanced stuff, and the many recurring patterns that abound in real music which will be the biggest factor that increase sight-reading speed in the years to come.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by bennevis

Of course it would work to some extent, considering how much time you spent doing it on a daily basis.
But how much better your sight-reading skills - and aural skills too, don't forget - might have been if you'd downloaded lots of simple pieces from IMSLP (or bought a few compilation books of easy original pieces by real composers) and used that for sight-reading practice, and spent the same amount of time on that instead? You'd also learn to associate intervals with the notes on the page and the keys on the piano, which you cannot if what you're sight-reading doesn't even sound like music, and the only way to know that you're playing a wrong note is because of a beep or blinking (or whatever).
Other benefits: you get familiar with the styles of various composers and eras, which will come in handy for when you start playing their more advanced stuff, and the many recurring patterns that abound in real music which will be the biggest factor that increase sight-reading speed in the years to come.


Not everyone has the ambition to become a concert pianist. You speak of interval reading, you first need to know what an interval is. And you'll learn the steps in PM, and the exercises are also focused on it, every time you get something of theory with it. And when a beginner downloads a piece of IMSLP, who is going to tell him/her what is wrong? There is Pm so ideal for, the tempo, the right notes, everything you do wrong you see. I try occasionally do sheet music, but it's hard because I don't know if I'm doing it right or not. Effort versus reward, that's what you get in PM. Someone with more ambition or a teacher will find out from themselves other pieces to learn. In any case, I don't need more than what PM has to offer. And like me there are many. Any his/her thing?
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 11:32 AM

All of your above posts, bennevis, beg the question, why are you here? If you don't agree with the platform of Piano Marvel, why come in here and criticize those of us who enjoy it and find value in it?
Posted By: dogperson

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
All of your above posts, bennevis, beg the question, why are you here? If you don't agree with the platform of Piano Marvel, why come in here and criticize those of us who enjoy it and find value in it?


I’m sure Bennevis hopes his comments are helpful. He and I both came from a time when there were no applications available, and sight reading meant picking up a large variety of music and playing it. Perhaps us ‘old school folks’ should try some of the new apps to see how they work and how they compare to the old ways. Bias for the way we learned is understandable as ‘it worked for us’, but it is not necessarily the only way. 😊 ....
Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
All of your above posts, bennevis, beg the question, why are you here? If you don't agree with the platform of Piano Marvel, why come in here and criticize those of us who enjoy it and find value in it?


I’m sure Bennevis hopes his comments are helpful. He and I both came from a time when there were no applications available, and sight reading meant picking up a large variety of music and playing it.

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There's never been an easier - and cheaper (as in no $€£) - time to just download lots & lots of free real music off IMSLP, and try it out, yet I hardly ever read of any near-beginner/learner in ABF actually just trying it for sight-reading practice. Or just reading through stuff (not necessarily sight-reading for the first time) for fun. Yes, fun: real music has melodies and phrases and interesting harmonies and textures. (BTW, almost everything is on YT too, if you don't have a teacher and want to check whether you're playing all the right notes in the right order).

It seems to me that the first thing people here think of is - what's the best app? (or what can I use on my computer screen?) - as if everything technology-driven and electronic is automatically better than anything else in the past.

Incidentally, I'd just returned from vacation where I used mental arithmetic everyday when shopping and eating to convert the local currency to £. Some others (the young ones) in the tour group never learnt their multiplication tables and relied totally on the built-in calculators on their mobile devices. Guess what happened when we went to stay for a few days in the mountains where there was no electricity to charge those devices?




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Perhaps us ‘old school folks’ should try some of the new apps to see how they work and how they compare to the old ways. Bias for the way we learned is understandable as ‘it worked for us’, but it is not necessarily the only way. 😊 ....

Actually, I have tried various apps to learn a new language not too long ago. Were they boring as h*ll and how long did I stick each of them out? (Hint: less than 20 daylight hours).

Then I went to a language school in the country where the language is the main - and for most natives, only - language spoken. For two weeks, I lived, breathed, wrote and spoke (i.e. muddled through) the language. English (and Esperanto) was totally forbidden. By the end, I had a great holiday, made a lot of new friends from different countries (few of them English-speaking ones) and spoke the language well enough to venture out into the countryside and made myself understood by the locals, and even hold a decent conversation with them.

And I remembered how - when I was a kid - my parents took us on holiday to a country where no-one spoke our native language, and most days, I was thrown in with other kids in a 'children's camp' where we had lots of activities and games while my parents went sight-seeing with a tour group. Within a week, I'd picked up enough of the local language to chat properly with the other kids. When you live and breathe the new language, it's amazing how quickly you pick things up.

The same as when you live and breathe the language of real music: it's amazing how quickly (and effortlessly and enjoyably) you pick things up through discovery, rather than the chore of "learning". For those naysayers here - why not try it and see, rather than dismiss it just because there are no flashy graphics on a screen?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by bennevis
It seems to me that the first thing people here think of is - what's the best app? (or what can I use on my computer screen?) - as if everything technology-driven and electronic is automatically better than anything else in the past.

Technology has always been a blessing and a curse. But let's be honest, on the whole, it's been a blessing. Many professions would simply not exist today without the technology of the last 100 years. Mine wouldn't. Would yours?
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by bennevis
It seems to me that the first thing people here think of is - what's the best app? (or what can I use on my computer screen?) - as if everything technology-driven and electronic is automatically better than anything else in the past.

Technology has always been a blessing and a curse. But let's be honest, on the whole, it's been a blessing. Many professions would simply not exist today without the technology of the last 100 years. Mine wouldn't. Would yours?


It's just a tool. And 'tis a shoddy workman who blames the tool.
Posted By: dogperson

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
All of your above posts, bennevis, beg the question, why are you here? If you don't agree with the platform of Piano Marvel, why come in here and criticize those of us who enjoy it and find value in it?


I’m sure Bennevis hopes his comments are helpful. He and I both came from a time when there were no applications available, and sight reading meant picking up a large variety of music and playing it.

thumb

There's never been an easier - and cheaper (as in no $€£) - time to just download lots & lots of free real music off IMSLP, and try it out, yet I hardly ever read of any near-beginner/learner in ABF actually just trying it for sight-reading practice. Or just reading through stuff (not necessarily sight-reading for the first time) for fun. Yes, fun: real music has melodies and phrases and interesting harmonies and textures. (BTW, almost everything is on YT too, if you don't have a teacher and want to check whether you're playing all the right notes in the right order).

It seems to me that the first thing people here think of is - what's the best app? (or what can I use on my computer screen?) - as if everything technology-driven and electronic is automatically better than anything else in the past.

Incidentally, I'd just returned from vacation where I used mental arithmetic everyday when shopping and eating to convert the local currency to £. Some others (the young ones) in the tour group never learnt their multiplication tables and relied totally on the built-in calculators on their mobile devices. Guess what happened when we went to stay for a few days in the mountains where there was no electricity to charge those devices?




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Perhaps us ‘old school folks’ should try some of the new apps to see how they work and how they compare to the old ways. Bias for the way we learned is understandable as ‘it worked for us’, but it is not necessarily the only way. 😊 ....

Actually, I have tried various apps to learn a new language not too long ago. Were they boring as h*ll and how long did I stick each of them out? (Hint: less than 20 daylight hours).

Then I went to a language school in the country where the language is the main - and for most natives, only - language spoken. For two weeks, I lived, breathed, wrote and spoke (i.e. muddled through) the language. English (and Esperanto) was totally forbidden. By the end, I had a great holiday, made a lot of new friends from different countries (few of them English-speaking ones) and spoke the language well enough to venture out into the countryside and made myself understood by the locals, and even hold a decent conversation with them.

And I remembered how - when I was a kid - my parents took us on holiday to a country where no-one spoke our native language, and most days, I was thrown in with other kids in a 'children's camp' where we had lots of activities and games while my parents went sight-seeing with a tour group. Within a week, I'd picked up enough of the local language to chat properly with the other kids. When you live and breathe the new language, it's amazing how quickly you pick things up.

The same as when you live and breathe the language of real music: it's amazing how quickly (and effortlessly and enjoyably) you pick things up through discovery, rather than the chore of "learning". For those naysayers here - why not try it and see, rather than dismiss it just because there are no flashy graphics on a screen?
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I would hope you take your own advice: don’t be a naysayer until you’ve tried it’. Why don’t you try Piano Marvel before you assume our old fashioned way is the only one? Yes, it worked well but there may be other routes.
Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by bennevis
It seems to me that the first thing people here think of is - what's the best app? (or what can I use on my computer screen?) - as if everything technology-driven and electronic is automatically better than anything else in the past.

Technology has always been a blessing and a curse. But let's be honest, on the whole, it's been a blessing. Many professions would simply not exist today without the technology of the last 100 years. Mine wouldn't. Would yours?

Actually, yes.

My profession is the oldest in the book. (No, I don't mean "the world's oldest profession" wink ).
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 01:56 PM

Different strokes for different folks!

What works for you and what you like will differ from others.

I also learned to play music in a bygone era, but I’m also taking advantage of Piano Marvel. I love it. It helps me progress faster in relearning certain aspects, like reading notes faster and more accurately. It also helps me get the rhythm right, but rhythm has never been a weakness of mine.

And yes, I do have an RCM teacher, and yes, I do have lessons the old fashioned way. And I intend to sit RCM exams too. But Piano Marvel is a supplement to aid my weaknesses and since money isn’t an issue (here I mean the annual subscription price), I use Piano Marvel.

My teacher even knows I use online aids and she has no problem with it. Whether you like it or not technology will be incorporated into everything we do. Did you know there are online theory courses and exams offered by RCM now? If we can’t fight technology, why not give it a try and see if it’s useful? If yes hooray! If no then ditch it!

Eventually, Piano Marvel will not aid me in my learning much, when I get more advanced, but for now, it sure does speed up my relearning process and boy is it fun!
Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by dogperson

I would hope you take your own advice: don’t be a naysayer until you’ve tried it’. Why don’t you try Piano Marvel before you assume our old fashioned way is the only one? Yes, it worked well but there may be other routes.

I would, if it's free (like IMSLP), just for the h*ll of it. smirk

But I'm not paying good money for apps anymore, after my experience with teaching apps in the past which promised the world but delivered next to nothing........

I prefer to spend my money on new scores, which also benefit the (living) composers.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by dogperson

I would hope you take your own advice: don’t be a naysayer until you’ve tried it’. Why don’t you try Piano Marvel before you assume our old fashioned way is the only one? Yes, it worked well but there may be other routes.

I would, if it's free (like IMSLP), just for the h*ll of it. smirk

But I'm not paying good money for apps anymore, after my experience with teaching apps in the past which promised the world but delivered next to nothing........

I prefer to spend my money on new scores, which also benefit the (living) composers.


You can try it free for 30 days. You don’t get all the features but enough to evaluate it. Remember, it’s for beginners. If you come in as an intermediate or more, you may not find it the most useful.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
You can try it free for 30 days. You don’t get all the features but enough to evaluate it. Remember, it’s for beginners. If you come in as an intermediate or more, you may not find it the most useful.

Personally, I think the only thing that someone at bennevis's level will find interesting is the quantitative scoring of the Sight-Reading level. Since the software can test up to a DMA level of sight-reading, that might be interesting. Other than that, he would be too advanced to benefit much from PM.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
You can try it free for 30 days. You don’t get all the features but enough to evaluate it. Remember, it’s for beginners. If you come in as an intermediate or more, you may not find it the most useful.

Personally, I think the only thing that someone at bennevis's level will find interesting is the quantitative scoring of the Sight-Reading level. Since the software can test up to a DMA level of sight-reading, that might be interesting. Other than that, he would be too advanced to benefit much from PM.


Well then, I guess don’t bother lol!

Piano Marvel is for beginners. If you’re not a beginner, then of course you won’t find it useful.

I want to say duh but that’s just mean. whistle
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 03:10 PM

I am also from the old generation, but I embrace the technology. I put my first steps into the piano World at the age of 63, with a teacher... And I did not like it, I learned nothing and had to do only hand clap and counting endlessly and sing frown on a childish level. Then I discovered PM and after 2 years I can read notes smoothly, and play. And I practice where and when I feel like it, as free as a little bird. I do not venture to Chopin and the like, but some of the not so difficult pieces I try once in PM, and then I print it off and do it even without computer. Let everyone enjoy what is there without having to break everything down to the ground. If "Bennevis" is so fair now to share his findings in PM here, everyone is happy. And Bennevis, try level 6 method or technique and let us know for sure if it was fun. In my language translated is "Bennevis" I am a fish laugh
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Personally, I think the only thing that someone at bennevis's level will find interesting is the quantitative scoring of the Sight-Reading level. Since the software can test up to a DMA level of sight-reading, that might be interesting. Other than that, he would be too advanced to benefit much from PM.


I was initially skeptical that it would be of much use for me as an early intermediate player, but I decided to give it a try. It turns out it's been quite useful. The forced metronomic sight reading has been invaluable for me and is like having a proctor every practice session to keep me honest with myself and my sight reading ability.

The ability to add your own music (as well as the nicely graded library of 3000+ pieces of real music of all genres, including a massive classical library, well over 1000) and chop it up in to hands and phrases has been incredibly helpful for me to organize my practice. And again, it acts as a "traffic cop" so I'm less inclined to "cheat" and not really get my reps in on a phrase, or play the parts I'm already good at and don't need as much practice. And the fact that it tracks your progress on each of the chopped up parts is great for record keeping so I don't have a giant mess of part letters and hash marks on my score to keep track of where I am. I can leave the markings for notes from my teacher and my own reminders.

Not trying to insult, and bennevis is a really good member of the community here at PW, however I think based on what they have said, they are speaking from a place of ignorance about Piano Marvel. For example, bennevis keeps mentioning "aural skills" as if that's not something you can get from PM. I think that's because they are unaware that the technique section is about 40% focused on ear training and aural skills. And, as Tyrone mentioned, you are always sight reading real pieces, not randomly generated music, and it pulls from the massive library I mentioned earlier, and bennevis implied that we'd get more from sight reading "real" music from IMSLP. Also, before sight reading you're given a chance to look at the whole score, it's only while the evaluation is going on that you only see two lines, and even then it's 5-10 measures ahead. I don't know about their level, but I can barely read a measure ahead, and from what I've read, even master sight readers read about 4 measures ahead.

So based on that, I'm fairly certain bennevis has never tried Piano Marvel and really shouldn't try to dismiss it because they are unaware of what the app offers. It's certainly fine to offer advice on other styles of learning, but it's not constructive for them to tell us that we will benefit more from those other styles when they haven't actually tried the software we are using.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Personally, I think the only thing that someone at bennevis's level will find interesting is the quantitative scoring of the Sight-Reading level. Since the software can test up to a DMA level of sight-reading, that might be interesting. Other than that, he would be too advanced to benefit much from PM.


I was initially skeptical that it would be of much use for me as an early intermediate player, but I decided to give it a try. It turns out it's been quite useful. The forced metronomic sight reading has been invaluable for me and is like having a proctor every practice session to keep me honest with myself and my sight reading ability.

The ability to add your own music (as well as the nicely graded library of 3000+ pieces of real music of all genres, including a massive classical library, well over 1000) and chop it up in to hands and phrases has been incredibly helpful for me to organize my practice. And again, it acts as a "traffic cop" so I'm less inclined to "cheat" and not really get my reps in on a phrase, or play the parts I'm already good at and don't need as much practice. And the fact that it tracks your progress on each of the chopped up parts is great for record keeping so I don't have a giant mess of part letters and hash marks on my score to keep track of where I am. I can leave the markings for notes from my teacher and my own reminders.

Not trying to insult, and bennevis is a really good member of the community here at PW, however I think based on what they have said, they are speaking from a place of ignorance about Piano Marvel. For example, bennevis keeps mentioning "aural skills" as if that's not something you can get from PM. I think that's because they are unaware that the technique section is about 40% focused on ear training and aural skills. And, as Tyrone mentioned, you are always sight reading real pieces, not randomly generated music, and it pulls from the massive library I mentioned earlier, and bennevis implied that we'd get more from sight reading "real" music from IMSLP. Also, before sight reading you're given a chance to look at the whole score, it's only while the evaluation is going on that you only see two lines, and even then it's 5-10 measures ahead. I don't know about their level, but I can barely read a measure ahead, and from what I've read, even master sight readers read about 4 measures ahead.

So based on that, I'm fairly certain bennevis has never tried Piano Marvel and really shouldn't try to dismiss it because they are unaware of what the app offers. It's certainly fine to offer advice on other styles of learning, but it's not constructive for them to tell us that we will benefit more from those other styles when they haven't actually tried the software we are using.


+1

And then there is the unknowable. I think some people are naturally talented and unstoppable. But how many people drop piano after a few months? What about them? Maybe if people were offered more options we'd have more piano players in this world.
Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
For example, bennevis keeps mentioning "aural skills" as if that's not something you can get from PM. I think that's because they are unaware that the technique section is about 40% focused on ear training and aural skills. And, as Tyrone mentioned, you are always sight reading real pieces, not randomly generated music, and it pulls from the massive library I mentioned earlier, and bennevis implied that we'd get more from sight reading "real" music from IMSLP. Also, before sight reading you're given a chance to look at the whole score, it's only while the evaluation is going on that you only see two lines, and even then it's 5-10 measures ahead. I don't know about their level, but I can barely read a measure ahead, and from what I've read, even master sight readers read about 4 measures ahead.

So based on that, I'm fairly certain bennevis has never tried Piano Marvel and really shouldn't try to dismiss it because they are unaware of what the app offers. It's certainly fine to offer advice on other styles of learning, but it's not constructive for them to tell us that we will benefit more from those other styles when they haven't actually tried the software we are using.

You're right, I've never tried PM. I wouldn't download such an app unless I'm sure it's totally safe and I'm going to use it, having been burnt on other "useful" apps before which affected the function of my MacBook Pro (maybe by taking up too much memory space) such that I couldn't wait to eject them.....only to find that bits of them were still left in (like a virus) that I had difficulty getting rid of. OK, I know I'm not as tech-savvy as most here.......

However, I did 'take a tour' to see what it was about, and all I could see was lots of simplified arrangements (and everyone here knows my morbid aversion to them) and that you can never see the complete score or one full page when playing, and it looks like a colored line keeps following you (or rather, you keep following that line). In other words, it all looks more like a computer game than actual music making as I understand it. And I didn't see any ear training anywhere, nor any specific guidance to help with developing reading skills.

I'm sure that if that's what you started learning on (especially with no teacher), you'll think it's perfectly normal and functional, but I don't. When I read through a score, I form a complete mental & musical picture of it, and it helps me when I then try to play it - from the same score, knowing exactly where the various musical twists and turns are on the pages so that I can anticipate them. Whereas what you get with PM is a score chopped up to make you follow its coloured line, which also allows no room for the slightest rubato (correct me if I'm wrong). Is that music?

But hey, I've never played a computer game (apart from chess) since Space Invaders, so what do I know about current trends? smirk
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/25/19 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That said, I used SRF intensively and daily for a period of 4 weeks and I found the greatest improvement of my sight-reading skills since the earliest days of my piano learning last year. I completely did not expect this at all since the computer-generated "cruft" that SRF produces sounds cacaphonous to me. Yet, apparently, SRF does work - at least for me.

Of course it would work to some extent, considering how much time you spent doing it on a daily basis.

But how much better your sight-reading skills - and aural skills too, don't forget - might have been if you'd downloaded lots of simple pieces from IMSLP (or bought a few compilation books of easy original pieces by real composers) and used that for sight-reading practice, and spent the same amount of time on that instead? You'd also learn to associate intervals with the notes on the page and the keys on the piano, which you cannot if what you're sight-reading doesn't even sound like music, and the only way to know that you're playing a wrong note is because of a beep or blinking (or whatever).

Other benefits: you get familiar with the styles of various composers and eras, which will come in handy for when you start playing their more advanced stuff, and the many recurring patterns that abound in real music which will be the biggest factor that increase sight-reading speed in the years to come.

Well, it's clear that SRF will be useless long term. It's not only not real music, it's not even 10% as good as an Iannis Xenakis piece. However, I do think at my level, it is drilling me on important skills - namely reading intervals and mapping to fingers regardless of the key and hand position, and reading at least one measure ahead. Both of these were complete disasters for me before I started my 4 weeks for intensive SRF work. I've now reached a C- level.

For the last 6 months, I've been working through a particular 12-workbook sight-reading series as part of my semi-weekly piano lessons. However, there is just not enough drilling for me in the series. That's where SRF comes in. Completely uninspirational exercises - like the multiplication table exercises your 3rd grade teacher would give you 5 mins to do - but lots and lots of them. Drill until your pass out. And it indeed works. Just as those multiplication table drills in school.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That said, I used SRF intensively and daily for a period of 4 weeks and I found the greatest improvement of my sight-reading skills since the earliest days of my piano learning last year. I completely did not expect this at all since the computer-generated "cruft" that SRF produces sounds cacaphonous to me. Yet, apparently, SRF does work - at least for me.

Of course it would work to some extent, considering how much time you spent doing it on a daily basis.

But how much better your sight-reading skills - and aural skills too, don't forget - might have been if you'd downloaded lots of simple pieces from IMSLP (or bought a few compilation books of easy original pieces by real composers) and used that for sight-reading practice, and spent the same amount of time on that instead? You'd also learn to associate intervals with the notes on the page and the keys on the piano, which you cannot if what you're sight-reading doesn't even sound like music, and the only way to know that you're playing a wrong note is because of a beep or blinking (or whatever).

Other benefits: you get familiar with the styles of various composers and eras, which will come in handy for when you start playing their more advanced stuff, and the many recurring patterns that abound in real music which will be the biggest factor that increase sight-reading speed in the years to come.

Well, it's clear that SRF will be useless long term. It's not only not real music, it's not even 10% as good as an Iannis Xenakis piece. However, I do think at my level, it is drilling me on important skills - namely reading intervals and mapping to fingers regardless of the key and hand position, and reading at least one measure ahead. Both of these were complete disasters for me before I started my 4 weeks for intensive SRF work. I've now reached a C- level.

For the last 6 months, I've been working through a particular 12-workbook sight-reading series as part of my semi-weekly piano lessons. However, there is just not enough drilling for me in the series. That's where SRF comes in. Completely uninspirational exercises - like the multiplication table exercises your 3rd grade teacher would give you 5 mins to do - but lots and lots of them. Drill until your pass out. And it indeed works. Just as those multiplication table drills in school.


What does SRF stand for please? Or did I miss it somewhere above?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
What does SRF stand for please? Or did I miss it somewhere above?

See here. Google for it and you'll find the website.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by bennevis

However, I did 'take a tour' to see what it was about, and all I could see was lots of simplified arrangements (and everyone here knows my morbid aversion to them)


There are plenty of full original scores too. But yes, there are simplified arrangements of some things, though so far I've always found the full version too. And if you're in to it, it's nice to have some contemporary stuff to play with, which you don't get on IMSLP.


Originally Posted by bennevis

and that you can never see the complete score or one full page when playing, and it looks like a colored line keeps following you (or rather, you keep following that line).


I still don't see how having the full page while playing is an issue. You're not looking at the full page when playing, and if you're playing a longer piece, like a Sonata, there are many pages, so you don't see the full piece. It's just another page system. I've seen plenty of scores for quartets and the pianist sees only as much as PM shows, and the pianists playing seem to manage fine. The only argument I can see here is that it's useful to be able to examine the complete score before playing, and you can in PM.

If we want to talk about actual relevant limitations, PM has no way for you to mark on the scores or change fingering. Those are actual bigger issues for me, and so far, for the pieces I work on with my teacher, I have paper scores along side PM. The finger issue can be dealt with if you're willing to import your own scores however, though this is far from ideal.

As to the colored line, it's just a visual metronome. Or do you eschew metronomes and conductors because they turn your playing in to a game of follow the leader?


Originally Posted by bennevis

And I didn't see any ear training anywhere, nor any specific guidance to help with developing reading skills.


It's in the "Technique" tab, as I said a good 40% or so seems to be ear training and I think it's reasonably well done.


Originally Posted by bennevis

I'm sure that if that's what you started learning on (especially with no teacher), you'll think it's perfectly normal and functional, but I don't.


Originally Posted by bennevis

When I read through a score, I form a complete mental & musical picture of it, and it helps me when I then try to play it - from the same score, knowing exactly where the various musical twists and turns are on the pages so that I can anticipate them. Whereas what you get with PM is a score chopped up to make you follow its coloured line,


So it appears here you're saying that you look at the whole score ahead of time, as I suspected. Again, the score is only chopped up when you're playing because you aren't needing to look at the whole score while you're playing, and even if it's on paper you don't have the full score at a glance. When you're not playing you can look through the piece at your leisure, complete without any chopping (though you can have it chop if you want to focus on a phrase or hand, something you can't do with paper sheets, or PDFs.)

Originally Posted by bennevis

which also allows no room for the slightest rubato (correct me if I'm wrong). Is that music?


This is true, and I've come to terms with the fact that I use PM to keep me honest. I'm not planning to use it once I have a piece to near performance ready. Instead, the ability to track my phrases for practice and strictly follow rhythm is useful for developing to the point where I am comfortable performing it. I don't know about your teachers, but mine is pretty insistent my rhythm is spot on, no rubato, until I've learned the piece sufficiently to use the rubato correctly and musically. I'm not going to perform with PM sitting in front of me.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
Originally Posted by bennevis
which also allows no room for the slightest rubato (correct me if I'm wrong). Is that music?

This is true, and I've come to terms with the fact that I use PM to keep me honest. I'm not planning to use it once I have a piece to near performance ready. Instead, the ability to track my phrases for practice and strictly follow rhythm is useful for developing to the point where I am comfortable performing it. I don't know about your teachers, but mine is pretty insistent my rhythm is spot on, no rubato, until I've learned the piece sufficiently to use the rubato correctly and musically. I'm not going to perform with PM sitting in front of me.

This is consistent with the PM videos on youtube, including the one with the piano performance graduate. PM is used to learn the notes and rhythm, and then it's turned off during the refinement process. Refinement can't be done in PM because actually PM doesn't support a lot of things needed for refining musicality. (phrase shaping, rubato, etc)
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 05:17 AM

Is anyone else having trouble getting SASR to work the last couple days? It gets through one piece then it never shows the continue button at the end and eventually shows a “cannot connect to server” error. I’ve tried clearing the cache and all the usual things.

Also, I’ve been in “completionist” mode and technique 4A-14 says there is a midi file error and won’t start. I want my gold star wahhh.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 05:57 AM

I switched back to the old version and that is working so I guess it’s that for a while until they fix the new one.
Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
I've come to terms with the fact that I use PM to keep me honest. I'm not planning to use it once I have a piece to near performance ready. Instead, the ability to track my phrases for practice and strictly follow rhythm is useful for developing to the point where I am comfortable performing it. I don't know about your teachers, but mine is pretty insistent my rhythm is spot on, no rubato, until I've learned the piece sufficiently to use the rubato correctly and musically. I'm not going to perform with PM sitting in front of me.

Even from very early on, my first teacher taught me to play musically, even when sight-reading.

For instance, this was the first Mozart piece I learnt (three months into lessons, from Denes Agay's Easy Classics to Moderns):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUEa8ZnyYnc (obviously, minus the extra ornamentation)

We counted the beats aloud (actually, singing the melody while counting) together during lessons, and I was expected to do the same while practicing, so I learnt to play in time right from the start, yet with leeway for the shaping of phrases, and slowing down at the end, just as the pianist did in the video.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
Is anyone else having trouble getting SASR to work the last couple days? It gets through one piece then it never shows the continue button at the end and eventually shows a “cannot connect to server” error. I’ve tried clearing the cache and all the usual things.

Also, I’ve been in “completionist” mode and technique 4A-14 says there is a midi file error and won’t start. I want my gold star wahhh.


Thats why...
Hello PM users! Last night we did a HUGE update to our servers with the aims of making our software much more reliable and secure. Our team has been working around the clock to make sure the switch is as seamless as possible. Please feel free to message us with any questions or concerns and thank you for being our customers! 😀

Do you have Plugin Version 0.0.10.21 ? You can ask it, its lots better then the 0.0.10.20 version.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by bennevis


However, I did 'take a tour' to see what it was about, and all I could see was lots of simplified arrangements (and everyone here knows my morbid aversion to them) and that you can never see the complete score or one full page when playing, and it looks like a colored line keeps following you (or rather, you keep following that line). In other words, it all looks more like a computer game than actual music making as I understand it. And I didn't see any ear training anywhere, nor any specific guidance to help with developing reading skills.


Tarantella
Prelude in A Major (Op. 28, No. 7)
Prelude in E Minor (Op. 28, No. 4)
Allegro Burlesco [Op. 88, No. 3]
A Curious Story [Op. 15, No. 2]
March in D
Minuet in G Minor
Minuet in D Minor
Polonaise in G Minor (Anh. 125)
Sonata No. 6 in C Minor, III
Minuet in G
Bagatelle in D Major [Op. 119, No. 3]
Sonatina (Op. 36, No. 3)
Sonatina, Opus 36, No. 1
Allegro Scherzando
Curious Story, Op. 138, No. 9;
Bourrée No. 1,
Bourrée No. 2
Sonatina in C Major [Op. 55, No. 1]
Minuet in F
March [Op. 65, No. 10]
To Julie [Op. 118a]
Sonatina (with Tarantella)

This is just a small example of the more than 6000 songs you can learn/play in PM, nothing simplified but the full works. Since you are not so technical (say yourself) and you keep on whining about seeing the full score; On the right side of your screen is a scroll bar, and with your wheel or with the mouse you can shift it and see the whole score before you start playing. Clever found huh?

I don't understand why you're so opposed to simplified versions, if you want to learn something new, you should start simple? A baby learning to walk doesn't start with a marathon either. And you have to think about who uses that kind of online lessons, that goes from children from 5/6 years old to older people 65 + to young adults who play in a band, to housewives who want to learn music in their spare time etc. I find it just clever of PM that for all those different wishes something is foreseen. If you only want to learn IMSLP music, that’s your choise. That makes what the rest of humanity chooses therefore not bad and inadmissible.

We now know that in the good old days everything was better, but let us now please quietly talk about a program we all love and where each learns and enjoys its way. After all, this is what music is about, you have to enjoy it !!!

Originally Posted by bennevis
But hey, I've never played a computer game (apart from chess) since Space Invaders, so what do I know about current trends?

You clearly don't know what you're missing. laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by bennevis
However, I did 'take a tour' to see what it was about, and all I could see was lots of simplified arrangements (and everyone here knows my morbid aversion to them) and that you can never see the complete score or one full page when playing, and it looks like a colored line keeps following you (or rather, you keep following that line). In other words, it all looks more like a computer game than actual music making as I understand it. And I didn't see any ear training anywhere, nor any specific guidance to help with developing reading skills.

Here is something I suggest. For a long time, since I started piano lessons with a teacher last June, I have not used Piano Marvel to teach me piano but have used it to learn some pieces of my own which I upload to the software. I intuitively felt the system was helping me, but had only anecdotal reports from others that were doing the same that I wasn't alone. It seemed a few of us felt it helped.

Then I saw this video posted:


In the above video, Jordan is a B.M. piano performance graduate - therefore, an advanced pianist - and he sight-reads well (the way that Piano Marvel assesses sight-reading level, his SASR score was tested to be around 900 which is the level of a typical B.M. piano performance graduate and the level of a typical incoming M.M piano performance student). Jordan has only used Piano Marvel once before, and that was to run the SASR test on his sight-reading level.

Here, above, Jordan, who is obviously also too advanced for the piano training in this software, uses the system to roughly learn within about 85 minutes, the first 47 measures of the exposition of Beethoven’s Sonata No. 6 in F Major, Op 10 No 2, which he has not encountered before and which Henle grades as a "Level 7 Difficult." Hard to imagine he could have done as well in any 85 min first encounter, without such a software assisting him and giving him immediate feedback. Quite amazing really.

Take a look at the above video. You can watch a bit of the intro and then jump around to get the idea.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 11:43 AM

Good ball Tyrone, I didn't want to do so much trouble, some people are so convinced of their right that they are not open to anything else anyway. :p
Posted By: bennevis

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Here, above, Jordan, who is obviously also too advanced for the piano training in this software, uses the system to roughly learn within about 85 minutes, the first 47 measures of the exposition of Beethoven’s Sonata No. 6 in F Major, Op 10 No 2, which he has not encountered before and which Henle grades as a "Level 7 Difficult." Hard to imagine he could have done as well in any 85 min first encounter, without such a software assisting him and giving him immediate feedback. Quite amazing really.

I hate to say it, but I can easily learn the first 47 measures (which BTW isn't even the full exposition of the first movement) of this sonata in less than 85 minutes from my (paper) score - memorized and performed with complete accuracy, if not total refinement and the nuances I'd like if I was performing for an audience. And I'm no B.M. performance major graduate. The music isn't especially difficult, and anyone who's familiar with Luddy will have played similar figurations and note patterns in many other sonatas, which means it doesn't require much practicing to be able to play it.

I do think you're underestimating the capabilities of pianists who've been playing for decades. There are reports of concert pianists like Mikhail Pletnev who learn complete pieces while on a plane flight (learning and memorizing the music simply by reading from the score, like a book), then straight to the recording studio at his destination to record those works. (Incidentally, it was his 2-CD set of the Scarlatti sonatas, which won the Gramophone Award). On another occasion, he sight-read the piano part of Weber's Grand Duo Concertant to fill up the CD of Brahms that he was recording with his clarinettist partner in the remaining minutes of studio time.

This (in case you think the piano part is easy):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxVuBd1InE

Anyway, that's all OT.....
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by bennevis
Anyway, that's all OT.....


Finally, that's the first sensible word you say here in this thread of simple gamers. laugh
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 02:22 PM

To change the subject...

I’ve read somewhere that Piano Marvel’s user interface is old looking and unmodern. I kind of agree. What do you guys think?

Do you think it needs a facelift to be more attractive to today’s savvy tech users? I personally do judge a book by its cover and appreciate a nice user interface.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
To change the subject...

I’ve read somewhere that Piano Marvel’s user interface is old looking and unmodern. I kind of agree. What do you guys think?

Do you think it needs a facelift to be more attractive to today’s savvy tech users? I personally do judge a book by its cover and appreciate a nice user interface.

For me personally it is perfect as it is, clear and uncluttered. I think what you've read was from earlier, when they had in PM an ugly wallpaper background. For me, the interface doesn't matter much, rather a program that works perfectly, than a flashy interface and lots of bugs and errors. Finally, most of the time you just look at a white sheet with notes, the rest is no longer important. wink
Posted By: NobleHouse

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by bennevis
Anyway, that's all OT.....


Finally, that's the first sensible word you say here in this thread of simple gamers. laugh

laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/26/19 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
To change the subject...

I’ve read somewhere that Piano Marvel’s user interface is old looking and unmodern. I kind of agree. What do you guys think?

Do you think it needs a facelift to be more attractive to today’s savvy tech users? I personally do judge a book by its cover and appreciate a nice user interface.

For me personally it is perfect as it is, clear and uncluttered. I think what you've read was from earlier, when they had in PM an ugly wallpaper background. For me, the interface doesn't matter much, rather a program that works perfectly, than a flashy interface and lots of bugs and errors. Finally, most of the time you just look at a white sheet with notes, the rest is no longer important. wink

In fact, since I started with PM in Feb 2018, I think the UI has improved. For example, the library interface is so much better now, than it was back then.

I compare the PM interface with Playground Sessions which looks prettier. But actually I think the functionality in PM is so much better, so sometimes a more attractive interface doesn't mean that much.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/30/19 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65

Thats why...
Hello PM users! Last night we did a HUGE update to our servers(snip)


Hey Sarah65, where did you see this? Is there an update blog or something I'm not aware of?
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/30/19 08:20 PM

Chrispy:

It was on their Facebook page.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/30/19 10:06 PM

Oh that explains it, I deleted my Facebook account a few years ago and never looked back.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 04/30/19 10:14 PM

Chrispy:

Those of us who are in the Piano for Beginners Facebook group (for Piano Marvel users) can try to remember to post here if anything important is posted by them over there that way you won't miss out on important news and announcements.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/01/19 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Chrispy:

Those of us who are in the Piano for Beginners Facebook group (for Piano Marvel users) can try to remember to post here if anything important is posted by them over there that way you won't miss out on important news and announcements.


Good idea !
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/01/19 03:43 PM

That would be appreciated, thanks!
Posted By: Sarah65

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Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/07/19 07:56 PM

I'm new here, just want to say hello to all PM users. I was looking (just a curiosity) on the Internet for someone, who completed 100% of PM and I have found this forum as well.
So, hello everyone smile
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/07/19 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I'm new here, just want to say hello to all PM users. I was looking (just a curiosity) on the Internet for someone, who completed 100% of PM and I have found this forum as well.
So, hello everyone smile


Hello and welcome. Have you found someone with 100% on everything? I do wonder what level you are in now. wink
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/07/19 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I'm new here, just want to say hello to all PM users. I was looking (just a curiosity) on the Internet for someone, who completed 100% of PM and I have found this forum as well.
So, hello everyone smile


Hello and welcome. Have you found someone with 100% on everything? I do wonder what level you are in now. wink



Nice to meet you Sarah. No, I haven't found. It looks that one of us maybe the first smile
I'm in the middle of 4E level BTW
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/07/19 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I'm new here, just want to say hello to all PM users. I was looking (just a curiosity) on the Internet for someone, who completed 100% of PM and I have found this forum as well.
So, hello everyone smile


Hello and welcome. Have you found someone with 100% on everything? I do wonder what level you are in now. wink



Nice to meet you Sarah. No, I haven't found. It looks that one of us maybe the first smile
I'm in the middle of 4E level BTW

Of the ones posting regularly on PW, I think akc42 might be furthest along. He stopped somewhere in Level 6.
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/07/19 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I'm new here, just want to say hello to all PM users. I was looking (just a curiosity) on the Internet for someone, who completed 100% of PM and I have found this forum as well.
So, hello everyone smile


Hello and welcome. Have you found someone with 100% on everything? I do wonder what level you are in now. wink



Nice to meet you Sarah. No, I haven't found. It looks that one of us maybe the first smile
I'm in the middle of 4E level BTW

Of the ones posting regularly on PW, I think akc42 might be furthest along. He stopped somewhere in Level 6.


Hi, I was just wondering what is the real effectiveness of PM. The perfect example would be someone with no skills, who completed 100% PM. As I said it's just a curiosity, cause at the end of the day I'm testing it on myself.
Posted By: Sielbear

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 12:59 AM

I’ve been using piano marvel on the iPad and the beta app is MUCH improved. I really like the form of the iPad as it is much more like sheet music than a laptop or pc monitor.

Secondly, how much time did it take you to complete the 4-2 technique exercise - 2 octaves with both hands simultaneously?!? I can do individual hands without issue. As soon as I try both together, my head explodes. Is it just me? Any tips besides building up muscle memory? Am I approaching it wrong? It’s balancing the different fingering patterns across both hands. 1 octave was pretty doable. The second octave with the 3/4/3/5 crossover pattern is making me crazy.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I'm new here, just want to say hello to all PM users. I was looking (just a curiosity) on the Internet for someone, who completed 100% of PM and I have found this forum as well.
So, hello everyone smile


My Skype teacher said his father completed everything with 100%. I think he said his father was 70.

I have 8 years until I'm 70 but some mornings it seems overly ambitious...
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sielbear
I’ve been using piano marvel on the iPad and the beta app is MUCH improved. I really like the form of the iPad as it is much more like sheet music than a laptop or pc monitor.

Secondly, how much time did it take you to complete the 4-2 technique exercise - 2 octaves with both hands simultaneously?!? I can do individual hands without issue. As soon as I try both together, my head explodes. Is it just me? Any tips besides building up muscle memory? Am I approaching it wrong? It’s balancing the different fingering patterns across both hands. 1 octave was pretty doable. The second octave with the 3/4/3/5 crossover pattern is making me crazy.


I'm not sure which Technique exercise you are talking about. But so far the most difficult scale for me was the Bb scale.
It's the Technique: 4E level, 1st exercise. The challenge is that you have to start with different fingers of both hands, so coordination is the key.
It took me few weeks (up to 30 mins. a day) to complete Bb technique 1-4 (up to half combo) and Bb Method songs ("Turkey in the straw" was the last one).
So far my general and the most important conclusion about learning to play piano is: if you can't do it right 3 times in a row, you have to SLOW DOWN.
PM is teaching me patience. The further I go, the more I like to practice, and that is my second advice: learn to enjoy practice.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 04:37 PM

Sometimes I find that if I'm "stuck" on one exercise, I will get very frustrated and want to bang hard on my piano in anger. I realize that in such circumstances, I really have to just leave it, move on to the next exercise or work on other pieces, then come back on another day. When I do this, that piece I got stuck on somehow "unsticks" itself. And life is much better.

I particularly do not like the ear training exercises in Technique, nor the Flash Cards. They frustrate me to no end. But no pain, no gain I guess.

Or maybe I just need anger management lessons LOL.
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I'm new here, just want to say hello to all PM users. I was looking (just a curiosity) on the Internet for someone, who completed 100% of PM and I have found this forum as well.
So, hello everyone smile


My Skype teacher said his father completed everything with 100%. I think he said his father was 70.

I have 8 years until I'm 70 but some mornings it seems overly ambitious...



That's all right. Does your skype teacher like Piano Marvel? Can you recommend a lessons provided through the skype? Are they effective?
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Sometimes I find that if I'm "stuck" on one exercise, I will get very frustrated and want to bang hard on my piano in anger. I realize that in such circumstances, I really have to just leave it, move on to the next exercise or work on other pieces, then come back on another day. When I do this, that piece I got stuck on somehow "unsticks" itself. And life is much better.

I particularly do not like the ear training exercises in Technique, nor the Flash Cards. They frustrate me to no end. But no pain, no gain I guess.

Or maybe I just need anger management lessons LOL.



Don't let me start talking about my anger smile But as I said, I'm learning not only to play piano but also a little bit about myself, my limitations, lack of patience. I like the 'computer game' style of PM with all the rewards and percents.
The satisfaction after completing a difficult piece is very much real and proves that I'm stronger than my demons laugh
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I'm new here, just want to say hello to all PM users. I was looking (just a curiosity) on the Internet for someone, who completed 100% of PM and I have found this forum as well.
So, hello everyone smile


My Skype teacher said his father completed everything with 100%. I think he said his father was 70.

I have 8 years until I'm 70 but some mornings it seems overly ambitious...



That's all right. Does your skype teacher like Piano Marvel? Can you recommend a lessons provided through the skype? Are they effective?


He was a big fan.

Honestly, I was a complete skeptic about using Skype. Once I tried it I saw that most of what I imagined to be a problem was not. They were effective for me. I would do it again without hesitation.
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I'm new here, just want to say hello to all PM users. I was looking (just a curiosity) on the Internet for someone, who completed 100% of PM and I have found this forum as well.
So, hello everyone smile


My Skype teacher said his father completed everything with 100%. I think he said his father was 70.

I have 8 years until I'm 70 but some mornings it seems overly ambitious...



That's all right. Does your skype teacher like Piano Marvel? Can you recommend a lessons provided through the skype? Are they effective?


He was a big fan.

Honestly, I was a complete skeptic about using Skype. Once I tried it I saw that most of what I imagined to be a problem was not. They were effective for me. I would do it again without hesitation.



Thank you for sharing your experience. Online skype lessons make looking for a good teacher much easier, as the distance factor is not a problem. I can imagine, at some point in the future PM won't be enough for me in the learning process.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Honestly, I was a complete skeptic about using Skype. Once I tried it I saw that most of what I imagined to be a problem was not. They were effective for me. I would do it again without hesitation.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Online skype lessons make looking for a good teacher much easier, as the distance factor is not a problem. I can imagine, at some point in the future PM won't be enough for me in the learning process.

I'm doing online lessons but using Zoom.us instead of Skype. Zoom works very well because unlike other video messengers such as Skype, you can turn off audio compression, which is much better for music lessons.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 09:54 PM

I use Zoom a bit in business but have only seen one way presentations. I've never experienced it with the video going both ways. Is it free? It's always been free for me but I've never been the originator.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/08/19 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I use Zoom a bit in business but have only seen one way presentations. I've never experienced it with the video going both ways. Is it free? It's always been free for me but I've never been the originator.

It is free if you don't want to turn off the audio compression.

However to use the feature where you turn off audio compression as I mentioned, one side has to be a paid subscriber (lowest level, "Pro," is $15/mo), and the other side has to be added to the paid subscriber's account as a subsidiary account, which doesn't add to the cost. Not hard. I've done that and do piano lessons that way. In my case, I have the paid account, and my teacher has the free account, but added as a subsidiary to my paid account.

The audio quality in Zoom is near perfect without glitching (or almost no glitching - every 2-3 lessons, I do see a glitch) when there is no compression. Consider that for Skype, and other voice chat messengers, the frequencies for voice communications being optimized for is 300 Hz (D#4) to 3.4 kHz (G#7). Higher and lower frequencies get almost entirely compressed away. Not good for piano lessons.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/09/19 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Sielbear
I’ve been using piano marvel on the iPad and the beta app is MUCH improved. I really like the form of the iPad as it is much more like sheet music than a laptop or pc monitor.

Secondly, how much time did it take you to complete the 4-2 technique exercise - 2 octaves with both hands simultaneously?!? I can do individual hands without issue. As soon as I try both together, my head explodes. Is it just me? Any tips besides building up muscle memory? Am I approaching it wrong? It’s balancing the different fingering patterns across both hands. 1 octave was pretty doable. The second octave with the 3/4/3/5 crossover pattern is making me crazy.


Welcome to the club of exploding heads. laugh I have the same problem, I can still manage the chords, but those arpeggios and scales are terrible. I can't give much advice because I don't succeed either, what I'm trying to do is just put speed on 30 and very often play left and right apart, and then surprise myself by using both hands together. Accending is already successful, decending is not. frown
Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/10/19 10:09 PM

I am about 5 weeks into Piano Marvel, and liking it very much. currently working through 5D. found Canon in C most challenging so far but have mastered it now. (76 attempts). Planning on seeing a teacher maybe once a month, but little difficult as I work odd hours, which is why I chose to use an online program.

As I am basically self taught, I find it gives direction to my practise. I supplement it with some fun YouTube videos to mix it up a little.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/10/19 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bretts
I am about 5 weeks into Piano Marvel, and liking it very much. currently working through 5D. found Canon in C most challenging so far but have mastered it now. (76 attempts). Planning on seeing a teacher maybe once a month, but little difficult as I work odd hours, which is why I chose to use an online program.

As I am basically self taught, I find it gives direction to my practise. I supplement it with some fun YouTube videos to mix it up a little.

After 5 weeks, you are already at Level 5? Well congrats!
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/10/19 10:38 PM

No kidding, that is awesome. I can't even bring myself to imagine level 5 right now.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/10/19 11:54 PM

I've been playing with PM it since April (though I've been playing piano for 3 years as of June 1!) As I'm a crazed gamer completionist I had to start at 1A on both method and technique. It's actually been fantastic for my sight reading. It's been interesting, I was plowing through at one full section of both technique a method a day, to now where it's taking me good 3-4 days to get through a full section of either so my progress will slow down. Of course nothing but gold star piano will do smile Here's my current progress... I just started saints last night, and DAE half combo is vexing me, I keep screwing up one small thing, but it's different each time!

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Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/11/19 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
I've been playing with PM it since April (though I've been playing piano for 3 years as of June 1!) As I'm a crazed gamer completionist I had to start at 1A on both method and technique. It's actually been fantastic for my sight reading. It's been interesting, I was plowing through at one full section of both technique a method a day, to now where it's taking me good 3-4 days to get through a full section of either so my progress will slow down. Of course nothing but gold star piano will do smile Here's my current progress... I just started saints last night, and DAE half combo is vexing me, I keep screwing up one small thing, but it's different each time!

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I looked at your May minutes = 769. Wow!

Then I looked at mine = 48. (Embarrassed)

And I laughed. Looks like I better get on it LOL!
Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/11/19 06:14 AM

Just to clarify, I am not a complete beginner. Maybe was at lvl 4 ability perhaps? I did all levels though to to get all the gold stars. smile It is lvl 4 when I really had to knuckle down on every piece. I am practising though a couple hours a day currently. Little addictive isn't it...

Would post a picture, but haven't quite figured how to add it to the message.
Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/12/19 08:48 AM

Hmm might be going over the top. 1342 minutes for May. Can I over practice?

So I made an interesting lifestyle choice at the start of April. I felt I was watching was too much tv, and basically wasn't really productive at all. Jokingly I said "hah. better for brain if I quit and played music..." Then I thought, "hmm, that maybe not so crazy at all. Just for the year. Couldn't hurt could it?..." I did make one concession. Still watch some football on the weekends.

So a good study on what happens if you quit TV for a year and concentrate on music. Curious as to where I will find myself at the end of December.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/12/19 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Bretts
Hmm might be going over the top. 1342 minutes for May. Can I over practice?

So I made an interesting lifestyle choice at the start of April. I felt I was watching was too much tv, and basically wasn't really productive at all. Jokingly I said "hah. better for brain if I quit and played music..." Then I thought, "hmm, that maybe not so crazy at all. Just for the year. Couldn't hurt could it?..." I did make one concession. Still watch some football on the weekends.

So a good study on what happens if you quit TV for a year and concentrate on music. Curious as to where I will find myself at the end of December.


The writer, David Foster Wallace, DFW, may he rest in peace, once sat down and wrote up a list of the books he wanted to read. He got to twelve pages before stopping. After that, he got rid of his television. He didn’t keep one in his house, he realized that there was no time for to watch if he wanted to make progress on reading those books.

Hemingway once said, time is what we have the least of.

DFW actually tried reading with the television on and realized that that was a complete scam. One of my classical guitar teachers, growing up in Mexico, used to try to practice scales while watching soccer games, and eventually discovered that that made him a worse player because he wasn’t fully concentrating on what he was doing.

The study of a musical instrument will take as much time as you can give it, it is basically an infinite time sink. That is a wonderful aspect of study, as well as a daunting and depressing aspect.

After listening to the incredible artistry of Angela Hewitt in concert last night, I wonder why I bother to play music at all, but DFW helps me avoid this trap because he wrote compellingly of how the overconsumption of media prevents one from doing anything at all. At least when we make music, we are creating something, and are not just passively consuming something.

So, my TV stays mute and dark, and I play on.
Posted By: Medved1

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/12/19 11:39 PM

re TV: Yup.

I grew up without a TV in the house - conscious choice by my father. Definitely adds hours to the day.

Also I second the idea that doing, rather than watching, shifts the emphasis from what the other person can do to what I can do. For a hobby, that's exactly what I'm after.
Posted By: Animisha

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/13/19 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Bretts
Hmm might be going over the top. 1342 minutes for May. Can I over practice?

That is 22 hours in 11 days - not counting the day you wrote your update. I think that yes, it is possible to over practise, but no, 2 hours a day is not over practising. cool
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/13/19 01:54 PM

I've been away for a few days which is why I haven't replied to this thread sooner

I restarted piano at age 66 after studying to grade 3 as a child in September 2017. I started the free month trial of Piano Marvel at the end of November 2017 and purchased a years subscription at the end of December.

By the end of April 2018 I had achieved 100% in Technique up to and including Lesson 6A Exercise 5 and in Method up to 6A Exercise 7. By about then I was finding my ability to learn a piece from physical sheet music was way better than with Piano Marvel and I sort of gave up on it. I didn't immediately renew at the end of December 2018.

However I did renew again in April 2019, mainly for the sight reading tests. About 10 days ago I also started to learn Mozart's Rondo Alla Turca on Piano Marvel, but discussed it with my teacher as being the next piece to learn and promptly purchased the Henle paper version. I am still finding it way better to learn from the sheet music and I don't now think I will continue with the Piano Marvel to learn it. (It doesn't help that the Henle edition has grace notes where piano marvel doesn't)

I would say that I massively improved my scales arpeggios and chord inversions using PM, and it getting 100% on the method sections learn't some interesting pieces but I don't really do technical exercises away form PM as I have no intention on taking any exams and its easier to learn what I need when I tackle a new piece. Since I was not a beginner when I started, I never found the lower level exercises (Levels 1 to 3) particularly difficult. Some parts of Levels 4 and 5 took a while to master and doing so felt like a massive achievement. However my teacher has since shown me other tricks to learning very difficult passages (slow play, breaking down into very small sections, stopping on the note you get wrong and not playing the note after until you get it right every time ...) that I don't find PM that useful anymore
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/13/19 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by akc42

I would say that I massively improved my scales arpeggios and chord inversions using PM, and it getting 100% on the method sections learn't some interesting pieces but I don't really do technical exercises away form PM as I have no intention on taking any exams and its easier to learn what I need when I tackle a new piece. Since I was not a beginner when I started, I never found the lower level exercises (Levels 1 to 3) particularly difficult. Some parts of Levels 4 and 5 took a while to master and doing so felt like a massive achievement. However my teacher has since shown me other tricks to learning very difficult passages (slow play, breaking down into very small sections, stopping on the note you get wrong and not playing the note after until you get it right every time ...) that I don't find PM that useful anymore


I think everyone sooner or later comes to a point that they don't need Pm anymore. But for anyone starting from 0 I still find it the best program to get there. And the library is also very extensive for advanced users. Personally, I find sheet music reading still very difficult because I don't have a grip, I don't know how it should sound or how the tempo/rhythm should be. The key signatures are not all clear yet, I'll continue with PM, but try to use sheet music every day, to train sight reading as well.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/13/19 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by akc42

I would say that I massively improved my scales arpeggios and chord inversions using PM, and it getting 100% on the method sections learn't some interesting pieces but I don't really do technical exercises away form PM as I have no intention on taking any exams and its easier to learn what I need when I tackle a new piece. Since I was not a beginner when I started, I never found the lower level exercises (Levels 1 to 3) particularly difficult. Some parts of Levels 4 and 5 took a while to master and doing so felt like a massive achievement. However my teacher has since shown me other tricks to learning very difficult passages (slow play, breaking down into very small sections, stopping on the note you get wrong and not playing the note after until you get it right every time ...) that I don't find PM that useful anymore


I think everyone sooner or later comes to a point that they don't need Pm anymore. But for anyone starting from 0 I still find it the best program to get there. And the library is also very extensive for advanced users. Personally, I find sheet music reading still very difficult because I don't have a grip, I don't know how it should sound or how the tempo/rhythm should be. The key signatures are not all clear yet, I'll continue with PM, but try to use sheet music every day, to train sight reading as well.


I agree with you that with regular sheet music, you don’t know how the song should sound and how fast the tempo should be, and these make learning sheet music more difficult and less fun. The thought of, “Did I play that right?” always pops up.

However, I’ve found that certain sheet music and certain method books now have supplemental audio that you can access online and they are quite helpful. You can hear what the piano solo sounds like, and you can play along left hand only or right hand only or both hands, and at whatever tempo you set, with performance tempo set as the default. The method I’m using is the Faber Adult All in One. I also know that Hal Leonard has a series of books with similar play along features.

I still do PM and still like it but I’m finding the songs in the Faber method book often more satisfying because there are dynamics that I have to pay attention to. I feel more like a pianist than just playing a video game. The method book is also more well-rounded with bits of other info thrown at me once in a while, like theory. I switch back and forth between the two methods now. When one frustrates me, I go to the other for relief, and vice versa.

Don’t get me wrong. I still like PM and what it offers. I just like it less than at the very beginning of my journey (which was maybe two months ago IIRC).
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/13/19 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
[quote=Sarah65][quote=akc42]
I agree with you that with regular sheet music, you don’t know how the song should sound and how fast the tempo should be, and these make learning
I still do PM and still like it but I’m finding the songs in the Faber method book often more satisfying because there are dynamics that I have to pay attention to. I feel more like a pianist than just playing a video game. The method book is also more well-rounded with bits of other info thrown at me once in a while, like theory. I switch back and forth between the two methods now. When one frustrates me, I go to the other for relief, and vice versa.
Don’t get me wrong. I still like PM and what it offers. I just like it less than at the very beginning of my journey (which was maybe two months ago IIRC).


When a child gets new toys, it is also very excited in the beginning. After a while it is already a lot less, and after half a year that toy is in a corner of the room. The same for adults who start a new challenge. All those books and programs to learn how to play piano are fun in the beginning, but in the end it's about what you want to learn and play, it must remain fascinating and give satisfaction or we will not keep it up.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/13/19 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
[quote=Sarah65][quote=akc42]
I agree with you that with regular sheet music, you don’t know how the song should sound and how fast the tempo should be, and these make learning
I still do PM and still like it but I’m finding the songs in the Faber method book often more satisfying because there are dynamics that I have to pay attention to. I feel more like a pianist than just playing a video game. The method book is also more well-rounded with bits of other info thrown at me once in a while, like theory. I switch back and forth between the two methods now. When one frustrates me, I go to the other for relief, and vice versa.
Don’t get me wrong. I still like PM and what it offers. I just like it less than at the very beginning of my journey (which was maybe two months ago IIRC).


When a child gets new toys, it is also very excited in the beginning. After a while it is already a lot less, and after half a year that toy is in a corner of the room. The same for adults who start a new challenge. All those books and programs to learn how to play piano are fun in the beginning, but in the end it's about what you want to learn and play, it must remain fascinating and give satisfaction or we will not keep it up.


I did not think of it that way, but I think that makes a lot of sense. LOL.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/13/19 06:36 PM

I'm still finding it's a good augmentation to my paper music.

Pros:
- Helps me keep track of what sections I'm working on, and which need work.
- Keeps me "honest" with my tempo and rhythm in a way that even metronome work can't do.
- The sight reading tools (the SASR as well as going through the
method/technique/repertoire/boot camps.)
- As I play mostly classical, it's been fun to have a library of other genre's available that I wouldn't buy for myself.

Cons:
- You can't make notations on the scores.
- You can't change fingering without going through a whole process of uploading a new xml and midi that you've adjusted the fingering on an external program.
- The included scores often expand ornamentation in a different way than I play it, or sometimes leave ornamentation off completely.
- Included scores often miss repeats
- Included scores sometimes have tempos that are WAY incorrect.

As to the cons, some of them (fingering, tempo, repeats, ornamentation) can be overcome by uploading your own scores, but to be honest, editing the score in an engraving program to make it exactly the way I want it is time I'm not willing to spend. Especially for things like fingering which may change as I learn the piece and figure out better ways to finger.

At this point, for repertoire I'm working on in my lessons I have the sheet music open alongside PM so I can make notes and look at my fingerings while I drill on passages. If I'm playing the whole piece, or large sections, sometimes I'll just put the book over my computer (it's a MS Surface, which sits nicely on my music desk.)

All in all, cons aside, it's a worthwhile tool, and I got the year subscription as I think I will get value out of it as a supplement to my lessons.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/13/19 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
- The included scores often expand ornamentation in a different way than I play it, or sometimes leave ornamentation off completely.

I've discussed grace notes, in particular, with the developers and they are working on supporting those.
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by akc42


However I did renew again in April 2019, mainly for the sight reading tests. About 10 days ago I also started to learn Mozart's Rondo Alla Turca on Piano Marvel, but discussed it with my teacher as being the next piece to learn and promptly purchased the Henle paper version. I am still finding it way better to learn from the sheet music and I don't now think I will continue with the Piano Marvel to learn it. (It doesn't help that the Henle edition has grace notes where piano marvel doesn't)

I would say that I massively improved my scales arpeggios and chord inversions using PM, and it getting 100% on the method sections learn't some interesting pieces but I don't really do technical exercises away form PM as I have no intention on taking any exams and its easier to learn what I need when I tackle a new piece. Since I was not a beginner when I started, I never found the lower level exercises (Levels 1 to 3) particularly difficult. Some parts of Levels 4 and 5 took a while to master and doing so felt like a massive achievement. However my teacher has since shown me other tricks to learning very difficult passages (slow play, breaking down into very small sections, stopping on the note you get wrong and not playing the note after until you get it right every time ...) that I don't find PM that useful anymore


Hello, Josh Mills here with Piano Marvel. Just wanted you to know that I have spent some time adding Grace Notes to Rondo Alla Turca tonight. I would be more than happy to send the files to you! 😊 Regardless, happy practicing with the Mozart piece! Here to help if I can!

Josh Mills
(email: josh@pianomarvel.com)


Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by millsj1134
Originally Posted by akc42


However I did renew again in April 2019, mainly for the sight reading tests. About 10 days ago I also started to learn Mozart's Rondo Alla Turca on Piano Marvel, but discussed it with my teacher as being the next piece to learn and promptly purchased the Henle paper version. I am still finding it way better to learn from the sheet music and I don't now think I will continue with the Piano Marvel to learn it. (It doesn't help that the Henle edition has grace notes where piano marvel doesn't)

I would say that I massively improved my scales arpeggios and chord inversions using PM, and it getting 100% on the method sections learn't some interesting pieces but I don't really do technical exercises away form PM as I have no intention on taking any exams and its easier to learn what I need when I tackle a new piece. Since I was not a beginner when I started, I never found the lower level exercises (Levels 1 to 3) particularly difficult. Some parts of Levels 4 and 5 took a while to master and doing so felt like a massive achievement. However my teacher has since shown me other tricks to learning very difficult passages (slow play, breaking down into very small sections, stopping on the note you get wrong and not playing the note after until you get it right every time ...) that I don't find PM that useful anymore


Hello, Josh Mills here with Piano Marvel. Just wanted you to know that I have spent some time adding Grace Notes to Rondo Alla Turca tonight. I would be more than happy to send the files to you! 😊 Regardless, happy practicing with the Mozart piece! Here to help if I can!

Josh Mills
(email: josh@pianomarvel.com)



Hi, welcome to PW, Josh.

Can I ask you if grace notes are now working in general? And do the current version of MuseScore work with PM?
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by millsj1134

Hello, Josh Mills here with Piano Marvel. Just wanted you to know that I have spent some time adding Grace Notes to Rondo Alla Turca tonight. I would be more than happy to send the files to you! 😊 Regardless, happy practicing with the Mozart piece! Here to help if I can!

Josh Mills
(email: josh@pianomarvel.com)



Thanks for the offer Josh. I would love to give it a try. I'll PM you my e-mail address

One other thing I am struggling with is the speed. I know the concert pianist versions are played at a pretty high tempo, but I am unlikely to get close for a while yet.
I have often wondered if it would be better, at least as an option for PM to
a) Allow you traverse the minced practice versions at the slowest speed first but for each section, before then going through the faster speed, and
b) Allow the user to take a piece from the library and then define their own exercises (including tempo).
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

And do the current version of MuseScore work with PM?



Id be really interested in that too. "Finale" for me here in the UK costs £600. There is no way I could ever justify that cost

I did try and upload Bach/Marcello BWV 974 Adagio using Musescore and it wasn't successful, The sounds and the music were never in sync was one problem.

The other problem (which is another general issue with PM) is that the full speed temp is actually around 32 (but really needs to be expressed as 64 to the 8th Note) and the minimum tempo allowed is 30. Not much room for making slow practice sections.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by akc42

I have often wondered if it would be better, at least as an option for PM to
a) Allow you traverse the minced practice versions at the slowest speed first but for each section, before then going through the faster speed, and
b) Allow the user to take a piece from the library and then define their own exercises (including tempo).


You can go into the settings and change the tempo up and down if you need as well as highlight certain sections that you need to focus on without needing to repeat the entire exercise. Pretty sure Josh has shown how to do those things in some of his livestreams.

And for anyone who doesn't know, you can go on Piano Marvel's YouTube channel and watch the livestreams that Josh and others have done.

Good to see you here as well Josh. It really is helpful to have someone who works for the company be so involved in these forums (as well as our Facebook group).

Lana
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 11:26 AM

Nice to have Josh here!

So, I gave up on every having any of my suggestions implemented a long time ago. So I will pose this as a question. Do others ever get to an exercise where you'd give $100 to be able to press a key and see what fingerings a more expert player would use? I don't think there's anything wrong with having someone think for himself but it would sure be nice to be able to get a sanity check after spending a morning figuring them out on my own. There are plenty of fingerings in the software but I keep hitting places where I don't know what to do and it is somehow assumed that I will just figure it out. Or maybe this is deliberate? If so, put me down as not a fan.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Nice to have Josh here!

So, I gave up on every having any of my suggestions implemented a long time ago. So I will pose this as a question. Do others ever get to an exercise where you'd give $100 to be able to press a key and see what fingerings a more expert player would use? I don't think there's anything wrong with having someone think for himself but it would sure be nice to be able to get a sanity check after spending a morning figuring them out on my own. There are plenty of fingerings in the software but I keep hitting places where I don't know what to do and it is somehow assumed that I will just figure it out. Or maybe this is deliberate? If so, put me down as not a fan.


That's what I meant a time ago, I feel like you're left after the end of level 3 in PM to your destiny. No explanation, brief fingering, no sample videos, in short, look for it yourself.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by millsj1134
[quote=akc42]
Hello, Josh Mills here with Piano Marvel. Just wanted you to know that I have spent some time adding Grace Notes to Rondo Alla Turca tonight. I would be more than happy to send the files to you! 😊 Regardless, happy practicing with the Mozart piece! Here to help if I can!
Josh Mills
(email: josh@pianomarvel.com)


Hello Josh, glad to have you here, its Vera smile Have you read the post from Chrispy on this page? I wanted to copy and paste it for you, there are useful tips for the team.
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by millsj1134
Originally Posted by akc42


However I did renew again in April 2019, mainly for the sight reading tests. About 10 days ago I also started to learn Mozart's Rondo Alla Turca on Piano Marvel, but discussed it with my teacher as being the next piece to learn and promptly purchased the Henle paper version. I am still finding it way better to learn from the sheet music and I don't now think I will continue with the Piano Marvel to learn it. (It doesn't help that the Henle edition has grace notes where piano marvel doesn't)

I would say that I massively improved my scales arpeggios and chord inversions using PM, and it getting 100% on the method sections learn't some interesting pieces but I don't really do technical exercises away form PM as I have no intention on taking any exams and its easier to learn what I need when I tackle a new piece. Since I was not a beginner when I started, I never found the lower level exercises (Levels 1 to 3) particularly difficult. Some parts of Levels 4 and 5 took a while to master and doing so felt like a massive achievement. However my teacher has since shown me other tricks to learning very difficult passages (slow play, breaking down into very small sections, stopping on the note you get wrong and not playing the note after until you get it right every time ...) that I don't find PM that useful anymore


Hello, Josh Mills here with Piano Marvel. Just wanted you to know that I have spent some time adding Grace Notes to Rondo Alla Turca tonight. I would be more than happy to send the files to you! 😊 Regardless, happy practicing with the Mozart piece! Here to help if I can!

Josh Mills
(email: josh@pianomarvel.com)



Hi, welcome to PW, Josh.

Can I ask you if grace notes are now working in general? And do the current version of MuseScore work with PM?


Hello!

Grace notes are about 70-80% done. More advanced grace notes getting graded in Assess Mode is what we are currently working on now; but every grace note works in prepare mode! smile

There are some grace notes that causes PM to freak out and not load the score; mainly grace notes that are 8va. These are also being worked on. But I would say the majority of grace notes do great. The grace notes in my recital piece (Haydn's Eb Variations) worked well and the Rondo All Turca loaded great without crashing.

Lastly, from my tests, I have seen great success with Musescore uploads. The only thing that needs to be addressed with Musescore currently is that you must delete the tempo/metronome marking. If you do not, than the staves sill be out of sync.

Hope this helps! Good to be here! smile
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

And do the current version of MuseScore work with PM?



Id be really interested in that too. "Finale" for me here in the UK costs £600. There is no way I could ever justify that cost

I did try and upload Bach/Marcello BWV 974 Adagio using Musescore and it wasn't successful, The sounds and the music were never in sync was one problem.

The other problem (which is another general issue with PM) is that the full speed temp is actually around 32 (but really needs to be expressed as 64 to the 8th Note) and the minimum tempo allowed is 30. Not much room for making slow practice sections.





Musescore 2 has really been having no issues that I have found when using it to export songs into PM. You just have to make sure that the tempo/metronome marking is not in the score or else the staves will be out of sync. Please let me know if you have any questions!
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Nice to have Josh here!

So, I gave up on every having any of my suggestions implemented a long time ago. So I will pose this as a question. Do others ever get to an exercise where you'd give $100 to be able to press a key and see what fingerings a more expert player would use? I don't think there's anything wrong with having someone think for himself but it would sure be nice to be able to get a sanity check after spending a morning figuring them out on my own. There are plenty of fingerings in the software but I keep hitting places where I don't know what to do and it is somehow assumed that I will just figure it out. Or maybe this is deliberate? If so, put me down as not a fan.


Don't give up! We listen and value all the suggestions that we get! I have heard some really great ideas from customers over the past year and some have been integrated. Others have not, but that doesn't mean they never will be! We just have literally so many things that we are trying to do and try our best to prioritize the items in a way that benefits everyone. Your voice matters and the more we hear from customers, the more it helps us see how to improve our software and what to focus on.
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by millsj1134

Hello, Josh Mills here with Piano Marvel. Just wanted you to know that I have spent some time adding Grace Notes to Rondo Alla Turca tonight. I would be more than happy to send the files to you! 😊 Regardless, happy practicing with the Mozart piece! Here to help if I can!

Josh Mills
(email: josh@pianomarvel.com)



Thanks for the offer Josh. I would love to give it a try. I'll PM you my e-mail address

One other thing I am struggling with is the speed. I know the concert pianist versions are played at a pretty high tempo, but I am unlikely to get close for a while yet.
I have often wondered if it would be better, at least as an option for PM to
a) Allow you traverse the minced practice versions at the slowest speed first but for each section, before then going through the faster speed, and
b) Allow the user to take a piece from the library and then define their own exercises (including tempo).





This is a great question, I am so glad you asked it! I made a video that shows how to copy songs from Piano Marvel's public library so that you can edit their slicings/speeds. I really hope this helps you! 😊 https://youtu.be/hvPUnEFiNF0
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 03:28 PM

Hi Josh (or anyone else),

If I have sheet music from a book, and want to upload that into Piano Marvel for learning, how do I go about doing that? From the little research I’ve done, I think it requires manually creating a digital version first? Sounds like a time consuming process?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by millsj1134
Musescore 2 has really been having no issues that I have found when using it to export songs into PM. You just have to make sure that the tempo/metronome marking is not in the score or else the staves will be out of sync. Please let me know if you have any questions!

Yes, I use Musescore 2.3.2 right now Josh. I was wondering about Musescore 3.0.5 though. It sounds like PM still can't import scores from 3.0.5. Is that right?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Hi Josh (or anyone else),

If I have sheet music from a book, and want to upload that into Piano Marvel for learning, how do I go about doing that? From the little research I’ve done, I think it requires manually creating a digital version first? Sounds like a time consuming process?



You need Photoscore then you can scan your pages and edit them in Musescore and then uplaod in Marvel. If it is not too large, you can manually enter the notes in Musescore (there you will learn something) and then export as MIDI and musixml. And then upload it in PM. Time consuming, yes, but great help to learn.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Hi Josh (or anyone else),

If I have sheet music from a book, and want to upload that into Piano Marvel for learning, how do I go about doing that? From the little research I’ve done, I think it requires manually creating a digital version first? Sounds like a time consuming process?



I use StaffPad to write up my pieces because it allows me to write the notes using a stylus. StaffPad requires a Microsoft Surface tablet, but those are pretty cheap these days, around $399, I think. StaffPad is only $70.

I have run into some trouble exporting directly from StaffPad to PM so I export musicXML and import that into a free version of MuseScore where I add fingerings and then export MusicXML and Midi to import into PM.

Here is Microsoft’s introductory video for StaffPad. I think StaffPad is the most magical program I have ever used. I tried scanning programs once and was thoroughly disheartened with the amount of notes I had to fix. I would hope the programs have gotten better.

Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 04:56 PM

Thank you Sarah65 and LarryK!

I think I will first try manually inputting into Musescore first, since it’s free, and my song choices are really simple and short at my current level.

HOWEVER, StaffPad seems amazing! My husband has a Surface Pro so that is “free”, sort of. I can see how I will enjoy using StaffPad, especially if my song choices get more difficult and longer.
Posted By: GidgetKeys

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65


You need Photoscore then you can scan your pages and edit them in Musescore and then upload in Marvel. If it is not too large, you can manually enter the notes in Musescore (there you will learn something) and then export as MIDI and musixml. And then upload it in PM. Time consuming, yes, but great help to learn.


Oh wow. I guess I won't be getting that. That's a little pricey at the moment.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by akc42

b) Allow the user to take a piece from the library and then define their own exercises (including tempo).


I just found that today Josh uploaded a youtube video on how to do this

Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
[quote=WeakLeftHand]Hi Josh (or anyone else),
I use StaffPad to write up my pieces because it allows me to write the notes using a stylus. StaffPad requires a Microsoft Surface tablet, but those are pretty cheap these days, around $399, I think. StaffPad is only $70.


Thank you LarryK, looks like a great program. Is there an Android version? I have a little tablet, maybe I can use that?
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by millsj1134

This is a great question, I am so glad you asked it! I made a video that shows how to copy songs from Piano Marvel's public library so that you can edit their slicings/speeds. I really hope this helps you! 😊 https://youtu.be/hvPUnEFiNF0


That was a very helpful video, thanks! Had no idea you could change built in music like that. You guys seriously need a user manual smile I think Tyrone has become your unofficial documentation writer (have you seen his post on how to get new music with your own fingerings etc in with MuseScrore, it's gold.)
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 06:06 PM

LarryK, now that you've piqued my interest in StaffPad, were you ever able to address with Piano Marvel why you were having trouble exporting MIDI and XML files into Piano Marvel directly from StaffPad?

I'm glad your workaround worked but it would be a whole lot easier if you could do it directly.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Thank you Sarah65 and LarryK!

I think I will first try manually inputting into Musescore first, since it’s free, and my song choices are really simple and short at my current level.

HOWEVER, StaffPad seems amazing! My husband has a Surface Pro so that is “free”, sort of. I can see how I will enjoy using StaffPad, especially if my song choices get more difficult and longer.



It’s great that your husband has a StaffPad Pro! It’s close to free then. :-) I’ve written up 142 measures of Jesu, Joy of Man’s Desiring to practice playing it with a virtual classical guitar duet partner. I think that took an hour a day for about a week. It takes a little patience and time to get the hang of writing in StaffPad. First, you go through a set of training exercises so it can learn how you write music. My piano pieces are short and simple so it does not take me much time to write them up in StaffPad.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 06:20 PM

I would like to make a suggestion to the Piano Marvel team. Why not make a third trophy case with the title "recreation, just for fun, repertoire, entertainment" or something like that. Not all Marvel users have the ambition to become a concert pianist. And I often hear that after level 3 it becomes much too difficult and boring and impossible for the "amateurs" among us to learn further, myself included. In the third trophy case songs would come from all genres, from classical to hymns to folk to pop to PM songs etc. But with the same layout as in method and technique, only without the exercises such as flashcards, ear training and all those other boring things. Level 5 and 6 can be arranged pieces that sound impressive and are a bit more difficult but still accessible for someone with only the basic knowledge. The third trophy case seems to me very interesting to continue to play the piano in a pleasant way, because as it is now I am inclined to stop playing.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Hi Josh (or anyone else),

If I have sheet music from a book, and want to upload that into Piano Marvel for learning, how do I go about doing that? From the little research I’ve done, I think it requires manually creating a digital version first? Sounds like a time consuming process?



I use Musescore and copy a score by hand. I found the fastest way to do it it to put on the on screen keyboard and then fingers over the number keys which select note length, and then play the on screen keyboard with the mouse. Generally I can enter a score very fast. I've done it a couple of times now. The slowest bit is adding fingering and phrase marks.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Hi Josh (or anyone else),

If I have sheet music from a book, and want to upload that into Piano Marvel for learning, how do I go about doing that? From the little research I’ve done, I think it requires manually creating a digital version first? Sounds like a time consuming process?



I use Musescore and copy a score by hand. I found the fastest way to do it it to put on the on screen keyboard and then fingers over the number keys which select note length, and then play the on screen keyboard with the mouse. Generally I can enter a score very fast. I've done it a couple of times now. The slowest bit is adding fingering and phrase marks.


Thanks, very helpful. That does sound easier. Much to learn as I start playing with it.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 08:19 PM

Got my final gold star in technique 4, woohoo! Thank god, no more triple threat half combos, can't say I particularly enjoyed getting those to 100%. Method currently working on finishing up 4C. Gone Away is kicking my butt at 99%.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
Got my final gold star in technique 4, woohoo! Thank god, no more triple threat half combos, can't say I particularly enjoyed getting those to 100%. Method currently working on finishing up 4C. Gone Away is kicking my butt at 99%.

Congrats !!!
Posted By: Pianoperformance

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 11:17 PM

Hi
I am new to this software. I have a question after reading comments on this thread. Is achieving 100% a self imposed/nice to achieve or 90% is good enough? I take lessons too, so not sure I have enough time to use this software @ 100% achievement? I am hoping to use it to allow me to work on technical areas that come up in a practice piece, or an area that just plain challenges me like 3-2 polyrhythm, as an example. Thanks in advance.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 11:22 PM

It's entirely up to you. Well, not in my case. I have some compulsion to continue until I get 100%...
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/14/19 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Pianoperformance
Is achieving 100% a self imposed/nice to achieve or 90% is good enough?


Totally self imposed. I believe you need 80% in each exercise to "pass" each level.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/15/19 12:37 AM

Haha absolutely self-imposed, but I suspect many of us have a perfectionist/OCD/completionist streak and we just can’t let it go at anything under 100%. LOL.

I have some that at just under 100% and it bugs the heck out of me, but I highly suspect there’s a connection problem or something with my piano because it doesn’t seem to pick up that I played that note. It’s usually just one note and I’m sure I played it!

I’ve also been skipping some technique because, you know, boring. And some of them are more difficult than others.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/15/19 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Pianoperformance
Hi
I am new to this software. I have a question after reading comments on this thread. Is achieving 100% a self imposed/nice to achieve or 90% is good enough? I take lessons too, so not sure I have enough time to use this software @ 100% achievement? I am hoping to use it to allow me to work on technical areas that come up in a practice piece, or an area that just plain challenges me like 3-2 polyrhythm, as an example. Thanks in advance.


The first three levels of method and technique I worked on 100%, took me a lot of time. From level 4 I am experiencing that it is almost impossible for me, so I am satisfied with 95%. That gives me a golden piano in the trophies case and that's OK for my OCD laugh
Posted By: Pianoperformance

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/15/19 03:46 PM

Aww, thanks for the candid responses. I am sure I have some ‘perefectionist’ Tendency somewhere too. I am gonna give the free trial a go and remind myself now to get hooked on ‘badges’.
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/15/19 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Pianoperformance
Hi
I am new to this software. I have a question after reading comments on this thread. Is achieving 100% a self imposed/nice to achieve or 90% is good enough? I take lessons too, so not sure I have enough time to use this software @ 100% achievement? I am hoping to use it to allow me to work on technical areas that come up in a practice piece, or an area that just plain challenges me like 3-2 polyrhythm, as an example. Thanks in advance.


I'm finding very often, that between 90% and 100% there is a lot of interesting things happening. I'm forced to find the most challenging places and concentrate on them, and that gives me a lot, also a satisfaction when I realise, that I can play it at a full speed, correctly and control the music note by note.
Anyway, I can't imagine to leave a lesson with a 99% score, but so far PM is my only "teacher", and probably that's why I decided to go 100% with it.
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/16/19 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Hi Josh (or anyone else),

If I have sheet music from a book, and want to upload that into Piano Marvel for learning, how do I go about doing that? From the little research I’ve done, I think it requires manually creating a digital version first? Sounds like a time consuming process?



So, in my experience, transcribing a score from hand is very time consuming - it is always my last choice. My first choice is google searching "Rondo All Turca Musescore" to see if someone already made the musicxml that I can download and add some minor tweaks to and have it uploaded to PM in 5 minutes or so. If I can't find it on Musescore, then I use the $80 program called "Smart Score X2 Piano Edition" which scans scores and puts them into musicxml format. (https://www.musitek.com/smartscore-piano.html) I have used this program a lot and done this with some advanced and more obscure pieces. It can take some time getting used to editing the score in the program, but the 2 hours or so it takes me to use it is always worth it for being able to practice the piece in PM afterwards. (an easier not-so-advanced piece would probably be a super quick process...)

I recently stumbled onto a website this week called "Tunescribers" (https://www.tunescribers.com/) who makes musicxml's. I had one made for myself and it was really good! This is the way I would probably go if I couldn't find the sheet music for a song (like this one that I REALLY want to play one day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ5650Ht8U0). I was quoted about $100 to get that song done by the software which I think would be worth it.... Tunescribers are awesome and I think worth the money.

To summarize, Smartscore is a great investment if you think that you will be scanning scores and putting them into PM quite frequently. For me, I only learn a song with PM, so having this software is a must.

If you may only learn a few songs in PM or don't want to learn how to import (or are super rich! lol) than Tunescribers is a great option for you. Tunescribers is also a great option for people that want a song transcribed but can't find sheet music for it anywhere. It took me 2 minutes or so to get my song that tunescribers did ready for PM. I love them and am so glad I got introduced to the company! smile

I find that there is no need to transcribe by reading a score and inputting it all by hand - for me, technology is good enough to get at least 50-60% of the work done (sometime's more) on the more advanced songs. Yes, my skills with Finale and Smartscore make this a better option for me, which I am fully aware of. If I can make a recommendation, I would say to start getting familiar with a notation software; having one will allow you to edit scores for PM. When I first started working for the company I thought editing would be a big and time-consuming process, but it's really not. Having a notation software will allow you to gain familiarity with how these types of softwares work and will make getting used to Smartscore alot easier since they are "somewhat" related.

I really hope this helps! If you all would like me to make a live-stream that discusses the topic of inputting music with Smartscore I would be happy to do it! Please let me know - I am happy to help show how to use PM to its full potential! smile

Best regards,
Josh Mills
josh@pianomarvel.com
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/16/19 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by millsj1134
Musescore 2 has really been having no issues that I have found when using it to export songs into PM. You just have to make sure that the tempo/metronome marking is not in the score or else the staves will be out of sync. Please let me know if you have any questions!

Yes, I use Musescore 2.3.2 right now Josh. I was wondering about Musescore 3.0.5 though. It sounds like PM still can't import scores from 3.0.5. Is that right?



I know Musescore 3 had issues a few months ago, however I just uploaded a piece onto PM with musescore 3.0.2 with no issues. 😀😀😀

I’ll update musescore and see if I’m still ok at 3.0.5
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/16/19 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by millsj1134
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by millsj1134
Musescore 2 has really been having no issues that I have found when using it to export songs into PM. You just have to make sure that the tempo/metronome marking is not in the score or else the staves will be out of sync. Please let me know if you have any questions!

Yes, I use Musescore 2.3.2 right now Josh. I was wondering about Musescore 3.0.5 though. It sounds like PM still can't import scores from 3.0.5. Is that right?



I know Musescore 3 had issues a few months ago, however I just uploaded a piece onto PM with musescore 3.0.2 with no issues. 😀😀😀

I’ll update musescore and see if I’m still ok at 3.0.5

The issue was that one of our PW members found that there was no way to take the tempo off of a score with MuseScore 3 like you could do with Musescore 2, and with a mandatory tempo in the score, PM would struggle with it when uploaded.

After the initial report, many of us PM users (such as me) were afraid to upgrade from MuseScore 2 to MuseScore 3, for fear our PM uploads would stop working. It could be that the MuseScore developers have changed things in later dot releases of MuseScore 3 to make the tempo optional again.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/16/19 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by millsj1134
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Hi Josh (or anyone else),

If I have sheet music from a book, and want to upload that into Piano Marvel for learning, how do I go about doing that? From the little research I’ve done, I think it requires manually creating a digital version first? Sounds like a time consuming process?



So, in my experience, transcribing a score from hand is very time consuming - it is always my last choice. My first choice is google searching "Rondo All Turca Musescore" to see if someone already made the musicxml that I can download and add some minor tweaks to and have it uploaded to PM in 5 minutes or so. If I can't find it on Musescore, then I use the $80 program called "Smart Score X2 Piano Edition" which scans scores and puts them into musicxml format. (https://www.musitek.com/smartscore-piano.html) I have used this program a lot and done this with some advanced and more obscure pieces. It can take some time getting used to editing the score in the program, but the 2 hours or so it takes me to use it is always worth it for being able to practice the piece in PM afterwards. (an easier not-so-advanced piece would probably be a super quick process...)

I recently stumbled onto a website this week called "Tunescribers" (https://www.tunescribers.com/) who makes musicxml's. I had one made for myself and it was really good! This is the way I would probably go if I couldn't find the sheet music for a song (like this one that I REALLY want to play one day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ5650Ht8U0). I was quoted about $100 to get that song done by the software which I think would be worth it.... Tunescribers are awesome and I think worth the money.

To summarize, Smartscore is a great investment if you think that you will be scanning scores and putting them into PM quite frequently. For me, I only learn a song with PM, so having this software is a must.

If you may only learn a few songs in PM or don't want to learn how to import (or are super rich! lol) than Tunescribers is a great option for you. Tunescribers is also a great option for people that want a song transcribed but can't find sheet music for it anywhere. It took me 2 minutes or so to get my song that tunescribers did ready for PM. I love them and am so glad I got introduced to the company! smile

I find that there is no need to transcribe by reading a score and inputting it all by hand - for me, technology is good enough to get at least 50-60% of the work done (sometime's more) on the more advanced songs. Yes, my skills with Finale and Smartscore make this a better option for me, which I am fully aware of. If I can make a recommendation, I would say to start getting familiar with a notation software; having one will allow you to edit scores for PM. When I first started working for the company I thought editing would be a big and time-consuming process, but it's really not. Having a notation software will allow you to gain familiarity with how these types of softwares work and will make getting used to Smartscore alot easier since they are "somewhat" related.

I really hope this helps! If you all would like me to make a live-stream that discusses the topic of inputting music with Smartscore I would be happy to do it! Please let me know - I am happy to help show how to use PM to its full potential! smile

Best regards,
Josh Mills
josh@pianomarvel.com


Thanks Josh. Lots of useful info. Need time to digest it all, and maybe try some.
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/16/19 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by millsj1134
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by millsj1134
Musescore 2 has really been having no issues that I have found when using it to export songs into PM. You just have to make sure that the tempo/metronome marking is not in the score or else the staves will be out of sync. Please let me know if you have any questions!

Yes, I use Musescore 2.3.2 right now Josh. I was wondering about Musescore 3.0.5 though. It sounds like PM still can't import scores from 3.0.5. Is that right?



I know Musescore 3 had issues a few months ago, however I just uploaded a piece onto PM with musescore 3.0.2 with no issues. 😀😀😀

I’ll update musescore and see if I’m still ok at 3.0.5

The issue was that one of our PW members found that there was no way to take the tempo off of a score with MuseScore 3 like you could do with Musescore 2, and with a mandatory tempo in the score, PM would struggle with it when uploaded.

After the initial report, many of us PM users (such as me) were afraid to upgrade from MuseScore 2 to MuseScore 3, for fear our PM uploads would stop working. It could be that the MuseScore developers have changed things in later dot releases of MuseScore 3 to make the tempo optional again.


I updated to 3.0.5 and was able to delete the tempo marking and make it work! 😀

I did notice, however, that on my PC I had to press the "delete" button (rather than the backspace button) to actually delete the metronome marking.

Feel free to message me if you cannot replicate this on your version of Musescore 3 - I'd be happy to help!

Josh Mills
josh@pianomarvel.com
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/17/19 03:24 PM

Do any of you feel guilty about skipping Technique...because you HATE it? I especially hate the ear training exercises. Maybe that tells me I should not attempt RCM exams? Dang!
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/17/19 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Do any of you feel guilty about skipping Technique...because you HATE it? I especially hate the ear training exercises. Maybe that tells me I should not attempt RCM exams? Dang!



Yes! And the guilt is because I so often need the things I hate...
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/17/19 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Do any of you feel guilty about skipping Technique...because you HATE it? I especially hate the ear training exercises. Maybe that tells me I should not attempt RCM exams? Dang!



Yes! And the guilt is because I so often need the things I hate...


Like eating healthy and exercise? Me too. Lol
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/17/19 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Do any of you feel guilty about skipping Technique...because you HATE it? I especially hate the ear training exercises. Maybe that tells me I should not attempt RCM exams? Dang!


I am at the age (65+) that I refuse to do anything I hate. The time I have left, I do the things I like to do, and technique is not part of it, except for some parts that I do like. And I don't feel guilty :p about it. I only wish I had started earlier in my life, so that all those boring exercises still had a purpose.
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/17/19 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Do any of you feel guilty about skipping Technique...because you HATE it? I especially hate the ear training exercises. Maybe that tells me I should not attempt RCM exams? Dang!


Though I won't say I love them, running through the technical exercises has been really helpful for my sight reading. The ear training I don't actually mind, as I don't do it with my teacher, so a it's a useful extra skill I'm gaining (all those interval training songs are now deeply stuck in my head!)

What I do hate though is getting through 99% of a really, really long one and then messing up the last note and having to to it ALL OVER AGAIN FROM THE START to hit my 100% target. Argh. It's especially frustrating with the ear training because it's not the most thrilling to listen to again and again.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/17/19 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
What I do hate though is getting through 99% of a really, really long one and then messing up the last note and having to to it ALL OVER AGAIN FROM THE START to hit my 100% target. Argh. It's especially frustrating with the ear training because it's not the most thrilling to listen to again and again.

That used to happen to me with computer games. Like why do they put the boss fights at the end of a level? LOL
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/18/19 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Do any of you feel guilty about skipping Technique...because you HATE it? I especially hate the ear training exercises. Maybe that tells me I should not attempt RCM exams? Dang!


I am at the age (65+) that I refuse to do anything I hate. The time I have left, I do the things I like to do, and technique is not part of it, except for some parts that I do like. And I don't feel guilty :p about it. I only wish I had started earlier in my life, so that all those boring exercises still had a purpose.



John Mayall is on his US tour at the moment. He is 85.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xozmKmgEQ7k
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/18/19 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
[quote=Sarah65][quote=WeakLeftHand]
John Mayall is on his US tour at the moment. He is 85.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xozmKmgEQ7k


Sounds like he does what he likes ... and I don't think he started playing the piano when he was 63 laugh
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/18/19 08:35 AM

Copy of "Piano for beginners" on Facebook

BASIC MUSIC THEORY FOR ADULT BEGINNER-LEVEL PIANO PLAYERS

is now online at Basic music Theory
The INTROUCTION fully explains the scope and target audience for the Syllabus.
Any feedback from beginner-level players will be appreciated.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/18/19 10:06 AM

A tip to upload a piece faster. No more time-consuming counting of measures and start and end points. I upload, select "create exercise" and make one right hand, left hand and all. I do that in the left-hand column. If I then practice I go to "chopped" and I just select the measure that I want to work on (right, left or all) with the blue areas. wink
Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/20/19 02:36 AM

Finished level 5! Very happy. Now onto 6.... 1900 mins for the month. The honeymoon period isn't quite over yet.

I have been reading a few posts here, and am interested in trying to upload "Every breath you Take", so will give it a go this week. Fingers crossed.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/20/19 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Bretts
Finished level 5! Very happy. Now onto 6.... 1900 mins for the month. The honeymoon period isn't quite over yet.

I have been reading a few posts here, and am interested in trying to upload "Every breath you Take", so will give it a go this week. Fingers crossed.

Congrats!!! When uploading, do not forget to remove the tempo markings from both midi and musicxml. Otherwise in PM you get "unexpected error"
Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/21/19 07:45 AM

Will do. Thanks for the heads up. Still learning what all the markings mean. It will be a educational exercise.
Posted By: John_C

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/22/19 01:44 AM

I have a specific question about the lesson sequences in Level 1-Method. I've only been playing for a couple of weeks but tonight's practicing in PM really threw me for a loop.

I've completed lessons 1A and 1B in both Technique and Method (yeah, me!). Those lessons were really nothing but introductions to some of the white keys and some rhythm / ear-training.

But then I come to lesson 1C-Method. I was expecting introductions to more white keys as what would seem a 'natural' progression to me. Instead, I'm presented with some song named 'Peter Peter', some funky key signature, and playing by rolling your knuckles over the black keys. My mind was immediately thrown into a disarray. I mean, I got totally screwed up. I had to triple check my stats to make sure I didn't accidentally pull up some other lesson out of sequence but it's correct.

What is this knuckle-rolling stuff and why is it coming up now so early in the lesson queue? I really don't get it.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/22/19 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by John_C
I have a specific question about the lesson sequences in Level 1-Method. I've only been playing for a couple of weeks but tonight's practicing in PM really threw me for a loop.

I've completed lessons 1A and 1B in both Technique and Method (yeah, me!). Those lessons were really nothing but introductions to some of the white keys and some rhythm / ear-training.

But then I come to lesson 1C-Method. I was expecting introductions to more white keys as what would seem a 'natural' progression to me. Instead, I'm presented with some song named 'Peter Peter', some funky key signature, and playing by rolling your knuckles over the black keys. My mind was immediately thrown into a disarray. I mean, I got totally screwed up. I had to triple check my stats to make sure I didn't accidentally pull up some other lesson out of sequence but it's correct.

What is this knuckle-rolling stuff and why is it coming up now so early in the lesson queue? I really don't get it.


Your experience and reaction was the exact same as my experience and reaction when I encountered Peter Peter. I personally think it shouldn’t be there. It’s really out of place. However, if you watch the video and follow along, it’s really not too difficult to learn and once you do learn it, you’ll feel a great sense of accomplishment. It’s a fun song to play. Your knuckles might hurt practicing it though lol. As to why it’s there...maybe Josh can tell us.

I’m only in Method 3-A and Technique 2-B, but I haven’t experienced anything as jolting since Peter Peter. Some of those Technique exercises are tough though, that’s why I’m ahead in Method. One of these days, I’ll try to catch up in Technique.

Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/22/19 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by John_C


What is this knuckle-rolling stuff and why is it coming up now so early in the lesson queue? I really don't get it.


It is a bit silly. I encountered it when I was playing through and wasn't watching the lesson videos. I pretty quickly realised that it was all black notes, but was trying it with my normal playing style with my fingers. I was doing quite well, but couldn't nail 100%. It was only then I watched the video and realised it was just a fun exercise (like how I learnt "Chopsticks" as a kid). I just did the knuckle rolling thing just because that meant I could move on. That exercise won't be the last difficult one, there are plenty more along the way. I really recommend not leaving technique behind - I still find some of the stuff I learnt in that side of PM useful in my playing and sight reading today.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/22/19 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
[quote=John_C]

What is this knuckle-rolling stuff and why is it coming up now so early in the lesson queue? I really don't get it.


PM is for a wide audience, I think they have added Peter Peter as a nice rewarding thing for the children. And admit it, it's fun for us adults too to have a laugh. laugh
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/22/19 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by John_C

What is this knuckle-rolling stuff and why is it coming up now so early in the lesson queue? I really don't get it.


It is a bit silly. I encountered it when I was playing through and wasn't watching the lesson videos. I pretty quickly realised that it was all black notes, but was trying it with my normal playing style with my fingers. I was doing quite well, but couldn't nail 100%. It was only then I watched the video and realised it was just a fun exercise (like how I learnt "Chopsticks" as a kid). I just did the knuckle rolling thing just because that meant I could move on. That exercise won't be the last difficult one, there are plenty more along the way. I really recommend not leaving technique behind - I still find some of the stuff I learnt in that side of PM useful in my playing and sight reading today.

Wow. I got 100% but didn't know it would have been easier to roll knuckles, so I did it the normal way - guess I should have looked for the video. I don't recall exactly, since it would have been last March, but I bet I thought it was hard. LOL
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/22/19 10:41 AM

I still remember this one. I think it's intended for amusement. It's ridiculous IMHO.

I disliked the exercises with distractions like dogs barking. I decided it was intended to get me to focus, sort of like crawling under barbed wire in boot camp while the drill instructor fires live rounds over your head. (I've only seen it in movies. I don't know if they really do that.) Later I asked and was told it was intended to be humorous. Now that I can live with. We don't all share the same sense of humor.
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/22/19 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Originally Posted by John_C
I have a specific question about the lesson sequences in Level 1-Method. I've only been playing for a couple of weeks but tonight's practicing in PM really threw me for a loop.

I've completed lessons 1A and 1B in both Technique and Method (yeah, me!). Those lessons were really nothing but introductions to some of the white keys and some rhythm / ear-training.

But then I come to lesson 1C-Method. I was expecting introductions to more white keys as what would seem a 'natural' progression to me. Instead, I'm presented with some song named 'Peter Peter', some funky key signature, and playing by rolling your knuckles over the black keys. My mind was immediately thrown into a disarray. I mean, I got totally screwed up. I had to triple check my stats to make sure I didn't accidentally pull up some other lesson out of sequence but it's correct.

What is this knuckle-rolling stuff and why is it coming up now so early in the lesson queue? I really don't get it.


Your experience and reaction was the exact same as my experience... As to why it’s there...maybe Josh can tell us.



The reason it is there is to teach the skill of learning something by memory (aka: by "rote"). Both reading and memory are valuable skills for a pianist. This particular lesson seems daunting because of the key signature, but it's really not too bad once you spend some time with it. This is the case with anything that is difficult on the piano. I'm learning a jazz piece right now and the right hand is crazy hard, but when I take the time to figure it all out and really learn it in small chunks I start getting it and it is rewarding. That is kind of what is going on with this piece.

Also, we are trying to give a balance of performance pieces and learning pieces in our method; in our minds, the more difficult pieces that we throw in there (for me it was Canon in C in method 5 and the duets in level 6) serve as pieces that the student could possibly play for their parents, friends, spouses, with their teachers, etc. Not to mention, these songs help to teach us how to use PM's practice mode, which is SUPER super valuable.

Hope this helps to clarify this! smile
Posted By: John_C

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/24/19 11:30 PM

I encountered a small issue today, not related to PM per se', but I thought I should post here as this could affect all of those using their PCs in conjunction with their piano / keyboard.

I've been using PM for a couple of weeks now and got tired of the weak sound coming from my tiny PC speaker. So I purchased a Bluetooth speaker that I set up next to my keyboard and paired it to my laptop.

Well, once hooked up, everything sounded fine and I thought, "Wonderful!". Well, not so much.

As soon as I started practicing in PM, my scores suddenly dropped into the 30's. All my timing and rhythm was way off! After some troubleshooting, I determined that the Bluetooth speaker was introducing a slight delay in the sound coming from the PC. As a result, when I played to the delayed accompaniment, PM reported the rhythm / timing errors. I only figured this out after trying a wired connection from the PC headphone output to the RCA inputs on the Bluetooth speaker. Once I went that route, the delay was gone and my scores went back up into the 90's again.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/24/19 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by John_C
I encountered a small issue today, not related to PM per se', but I thought I should post here as this could affect all of those using their PCs in conjunction with their piano / keyboard.

I've been using PM for a couple of weeks now and got tired of the weak sound coming from my tiny PC speaker. So I purchased a Bluetooth speaker that I set up next to my keyboard and paired it to my laptop.

Well, once hooked up, everything sounded fine and I thought, "Wonderful!". Well, not so much.

As soon as I started practicing in PM, my scores suddenly dropped into the 30's. All my timing and rhythm was way off! After some troubleshooting, I determined that the Bluetooth speaker was introducing a slight delay in the sound coming from the PC. As a result, when I played to the delayed accompaniment, PM reported the rhythm / timing errors. I only figured this out after trying a wired connection from the PC headphone output to the RCA inputs on the Bluetooth speaker. Once I went that route, the delay was gone and my scores went back up into the 90's again.

Good catch. Yes, this sort of wireless latency occurs with wireless headphones too. I have a pair of wireless headphones which I originally acquired for computer gaming. Completely useless, shelfware right now. Can't use it for fast-twitch games.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/25/19 12:06 AM

I ran into a problem with PM silently playing some eighth notes in the left hand. I sent the files into Josh. Everything else played ok, I could hear all the notes, and then, silent notes. This was a simple Kriger minuet that I wrote up in StaffPad and imported into MuseScore to add fingerings and exported in order to import into PM.
Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/25/19 12:37 PM

Finished Prelude in C major in 6A. Beautiful song. Rather new to the classic tunes. More just played comptemporary stuff I hear on radio. Cracked 2k mins for the month. No TV, a good thing. Don't miss it at all.
Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/26/19 06:21 AM

Just imported my forst song into Piano Marvel, using Musescore v3. Thanks for the heads up on tempo marking. Seems to import just fine, and had no errors. Thanks Josh and Sarah for the tips.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/26/19 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Bretts
Just imported my forst song into Piano Marvel, using Musescore v3. Thanks for the heads up on tempo marking. Seems to import just fine, and had no errors. Thanks Josh and Sarah for the tips.

Great, before you know it, your favorites are full of your own uploads. wink
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/28/19 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
I ran into a problem with PM silently playing some eighth notes in the left hand. I sent the files into Josh. Everything else played ok, I could hear all the notes, and then, silent notes. This was a simple Kriger minuet that I wrote up in StaffPad and imported into MuseScore to add fingerings and exported in order to import into PM.


Josh sent me a fixed up version of my piece. PianoMarvel does not support repeats, I think that was what was messing up the playback.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/28/19 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by LarryK
I ran into a problem with PM silently playing some eighth notes in the left hand. I sent the files into Josh. Everything else played ok, I could hear all the notes, and then, silent notes. This was a simple Kriger minuet that I wrote up in StaffPad and imported into MuseScore to add fingerings and exported in order to import into PM.


Josh sent me a fixed up version of my piece. PianoMarvel does not support repeats, I think that was what was messing up the playback.

Since I've been using PM to help me learn a piece for the first time, not refine it, often I will just leave all the repeats off. I figure that after I learn it, I can repeat to my heart's content - but without PM.
Posted By: LarryK

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/28/19 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by LarryK
I ran into a problem with PM silently playing some eighth notes in the left hand. I sent the files into Josh. Everything else played ok, I could hear all the notes, and then, silent notes. This was a simple Kriger minuet that I wrote up in StaffPad and imported into MuseScore to add fingerings and exported in order to import into PM.


Josh sent me a fixed up version of my piece. PianoMarvel does not support repeats, I think that was what was messing up the playback.

Since I've been using PM to help me learn a piece for the first time, not refine it, often I will just leave all the repeats off. I figure that after I learn it, I can repeat to my heart's content - but without PM.


Yeah, I’m just so used to writing in the repeat bar lines in StaffPad that I do it without thinking. I wish PM supported repeats as that would give me two chances at the same section. I understand that it introduces a lot of problems with visually showing how well the two repeats were played, however.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/28/19 07:21 PM

So, will Musescore let you copy an entire section and paste it?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/28/19 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
So, will Musescore let you copy an entire section and paste it?

Yes, a very simple thing. I do that for short repeating sections that I actually do want to play in PM. Long repeating sections, I don't bother with. Just wait until after I've already learned it in PM and then I can repeat to my hearts content later.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/28/19 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by TomInCinci
So, will Musescore let you copy an entire section and paste it?



Yes. Select the top stave in the first measure of the section, then shift select the second stave at the last measure of the section.. Control C to copy the clipboard. You have to ensure sufficient measures to paste into (OTHER WISE YOU WILL OVERWRITE WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE) - do that with the "Ins" key (you can remove too many measures with Control-Del). Then Control-V to paste in the clipboard. Remove repeat markings with del key.
Posted By: TomInCinci

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/30/19 04:52 PM

I have a Skype lesson scheduled to see if a pro can help me with my wrist pain. He's a PM guy and I have an exercise that is guaranteed to hurt. But I'm never in the red room during the times when my instructor is available, so something needed to be set up in a hurry in the house I'm remodeling. I just had to throw something together using what I had at hand.

I keep thinking I'm going to hear Jed say, "Jethro, get the truck."

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Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 05/30/19 06:10 PM

Hey Tom, just from my own limited experience, i was getting wrist pain when i started up a couple of months ago. i was playing a couple hours a day after more or less not playing much for 30 years, so I guessing (maybe wrongly) that i was putting wrist and hands in position that it wasn't used to. The last 4 weeks though or so, my speed and precision has picked up quite a bit, and only just noticed that i am relaxing naturally when playing now, and not really getting any wrist pain at all. Note i didn't consciously do anything different, just seemed to take care of itself. However that just maybe me. Sill rather a novice at piano so far. I noted today, that i am finding the chord progressions in the 'technique' section for each key now is much, much easier. I struggled to get fingers and wrist in right position when i started Piano Marvel 2 months ago.

Myself , just getting through the method 6A, and finding it difficult but fun to get 'Prelude in C' up to speed. Just hit 100% though for exercise 18 after 112 attempts. Shouted in joy when the score came up. lol
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/03/19 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Bretts
Just hit 100% though for exercise 18 after 112 attempts. Shouted in joy when the score came up. lol



Lol, literally the story of my life.
Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/04/19 02:25 AM

one question I have, I tend to chop and change through method and technique, always keeping the level in sync though. i.e. 6A in both at the moment. Should i be doing technique exercises before i do the method? or vice versa? Or doesn't really matter all that much?
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/04/19 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bretts
one question I have, I tend to chop and change through method and technique, always keeping the level in sync though. i.e. 6A in both at the moment. Should i be doing technique exercises before i do the method? or vice versa? Or doesn't really matter all that much?

I am not an expert, but I have often heard/read that if you are going to study a piece you have to warm up first. And they do that with scales, arpeggios, etc. Technical stuff. So I think first technique and then method?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/04/19 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Originally Posted by Bretts
one question I have, I tend to chop and change through method and technique, always keeping the level in sync though. i.e. 6A in both at the moment. Should i be doing technique exercises before i do the method? or vice versa? Or doesn't really matter all that much?

I am not an expert, but I have often heard/read that if you are going to study a piece you have to warm up first. And they do that with scales, arpeggios, etc. Technical stuff. So I think first technique and then method?

Though I'm just a learner like you, I agree since it makes some sort of logical sense to me also, especially if you do these the same day. Just thinking about it, without any piano teacher experience to support my thinking, I'd guess that it would be less helpful if one worked on technique and method on different days, for example, alternating.
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/05/19 12:56 PM

I have started my practice sessions lately (roughly an hour to an hour and 15 minutes) with Sightreading. I feel like when I practice my piece I am working on afterward like I did today, I almost don't do as well on my repertoire piece. So, with that being said, I would recommend starting with the hardest thing you do first. Your brain is best then. Get easier things to do as your practice session progresses. Lastly, I really don't worry about warming myself up. I used to worry about that stuff but I don't think it's entirely necessary. Just my two cents.
Posted By: Cushite

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/05/19 01:19 PM

Hi. Total beginner here. I won't be able to have a teacher for the next few months, so how should I self teach on piano marvel in the mean time?
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/05/19 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Cushite
Hi. Total beginner here. I won't be able to have a teacher for the next few months, so how should I self teach on piano marvel in the mean time?

The great thing is that PM is entirely self-explanatory once you figure out how to get your digital piano hooked up. Start from the first lessons in technique and method (see above for some discussion) and start going forward. Be sure to watch the videos, if available for each lesson, and be aware that the PDF of the lesson books for each level teach a few things that the software doesn't - for example, how to use the sustain pedal, so you may want to check those too as you go. When you get further along, you'll be able to upload your own pieces to use PM about, which I think is one of the best things about the system, and the only thing I myself use these days, because it's so great.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/05/19 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Cushite
Hi. Total beginner here. I won't be able to have a teacher for the next few months, so how should I self teach on piano marvel in the mean time?


As you are an absolute beginner I would suggest you watch this video first. Sorry I posted in another thread this morning (my time) - I am not particularly promoting it, but I do feel it will help absolute beginners get started and my quick check with piano marvel sort of assumes you can find middle c and maybe even that you have some rough idea how to read music. Then get started on PM exercises level 1A in both method and technique. My 5 and 7 year old grandsons are on this level and just love it.

Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/05/19 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Cushite
Hi. Total beginner here. I won't be able to have a teacher for the next few months, so how should I self teach on piano marvel in the mean time?



Do the technique alongside with the method. Try to observe and understand the relation between these two sections and treat them like "theory" and "practice". That's my opinion. I don't have a teacher as well. I decided to find one when I get to the level 5 - 6 on PM. At the moment I'm doing level 4.
Good luck and welcome in the PM club smile
Posted By: Cushite

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
Originally Posted by Cushite
Hi. Total beginner here. I won't be able to have a teacher for the next few months, so how should I self teach on piano marvel in the mean time?



Do the technique alongside with the method. Try to observe and understand the relation between these two sections and treat them like "theory" and "practice". That's my opinion. I don't have a teacher as well. I decided to find one when I get to the level 5 - 6 on PM. At the moment I'm doing level 4.
Good luck and welcome in the PM club smile

How long did it take you to get to level 4?

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Cushite
Hi. Total beginner here. I won't be able to have a teacher for the next few months, so how should I self teach on piano marvel in the mean time?


As you are an absolute beginner I would suggest you watch this video first. Sorry I posted in another thread this morning (my time) - I am not particularly promoting it, but I do feel it will help absolute beginners get started and my quick check with piano marvel sort of assumes you can find middle c and maybe even that you have some rough idea how to read music. Then get started on PM exercises level 1A in both method and technique. My 5 and 7 year old grandsons are on this level and just love it.


Thank you
Posted By: John_C

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 03:09 PM

Woo Hoo! I know it isn't much in the grand scheme of things, but last night I completed Level 1 of both the Technique and Method exercises. After about three weeks of playing, I'm really enjoying the heck out of this application. In fact, I've already gone ahead and purchased a one-year subscription.

Starting Level 2 tonight!
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by John_C
Woo Hoo! I know it isn't much in the grand scheme of things, but last night I completed Level 1 of both the Technique and Method exercises. After about three weeks of playing, I'm really enjoying the heck out of this application. In fact, I've already gone ahead and purchased a one-year subscription.

Starting Level 2 tonight!

Congrats John!
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by John_C
Woo Hoo! I know it isn't much in the grand scheme of things, but last night I completed Level 1 of both the Technique and Method exercises. After about three weeks of playing, I'm really enjoying the heck out of this application. In fact, I've already gone ahead and purchased a one-year subscription.

Starting Level 2 tonight!

Great, did you get 100% on everything? Make sure you don't go too fast, and certainly also read the method-technique.pdf, which contains more details and theory.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 05:39 PM

I am not loving PM lately. I’ve had this problem before and have posted about it, but it is really starting to annoy me now. In some songs, PM isn’t picking up notes I’m playing correctly. I don’t know if it’s a PM thing or a connection thing or a “my DP” thing. I’m so frustrated right now I don’t even care to figure out why. I’m just going to leave it and concentrate on my teacher lessons and method book for the time being.

Sorry for this sad post. I guess this is the ups and downs of my piano journey.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
I am not loving PM lately. I’ve had this problem before and have posted about it, but it is really starting to annoy me now. In some songs, PM isn’t picking up notes I’m playing correctly. I don’t know if it’s a PM thing or a connection thing or a “my DP” thing. I’m so frustrated right now I don’t even care to figure out why. I’m just going to leave it and concentrate on my teacher lessons and method book for the time being.

Sorry for this sad post. I guess this is the ups and downs of my piano journey.

So sorry to hear that. Yeah, I've not experienced this, so I'm going to guess it is either a connection thing or a "your DP" thing. Can you name a piece this happens for so I can try it too and see if it reproduces here?
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
I am not loving PM lately. I’ve had this problem before and have posted about it, but it is really starting to annoy me now. In some songs, PM isn’t picking up notes I’m playing correctly. I don’t know if it’s a PM thing or a connection thing or a “my DP” thing. I’m so frustrated right now I don’t even care to figure out why. I’m just going to leave it and concentrate on my teacher lessons and method book for the time being.

Sorry for this sad post. I guess this is the ups and downs of my piano journey.

So sorry to hear that. Yeah, I've not experienced this, so I'm going to guess it is either a connection thing or a "your DP" thing. Can you name a piece this happens for so I can try it too and see if it reproduces here?


I’m at work right now so don’t have my iPad to check exactly which song was giving me issues this time. I’ll post the song when I get home this evening. Thanks Tyrone!
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Cushite
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
[quote=Cushite]Hi. Total beginner here. I won't be able to have a teacher for the next few months, so how should I self teach on piano marvel in the mean time?



Do the technique alongside with the method. Try to observe and understand the relation between these two sections and treat them like "theory" and "practice". That's my opinion. I don't have a teacher as well. I decided to find one when I get to the level 5 - 6 on PM. At the moment I'm doing level 4.
Good luck and welcome in the PM club smile

How long did it take you to get to level 4?

Originally Posted by akc42
[quote=Cushite]Hi. Total beginner here. I won't be able to have a teacher for the next few months, so how should I self teach on piano marvel in the mean time?


I started my journey with PM in May 2016. However I didn't practice everyday. At some point I had a break, which took around 2 months. Last Christmas I decided to practice everyday and so far so good. I'm going to join the "180 days club" in the Practice Streak Rank soon.
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
I am not loving PM lately. I’ve had this problem before and have posted about it, but it is really starting to annoy me now. In some songs, PM isn’t picking up notes I’m playing correctly. I don’t know if it’s a PM thing or a connection thing or a “my DP” thing. I’m so frustrated right now I don’t even care to figure out why. I’m just going to leave it and concentrate on my teacher lessons and method book for the time being.

Sorry for this sad post. I guess this is the ups and downs of my piano journey.



Hi, don't worry, keep calm, check the equipment, cables, internet connection. I practice everyday and PM works generally without problems. The only problems I had so far with the PM, were related to my old laptop. However after a restart it is fine.
I have to also check the MIDI connection every time I start PM, because sometimes it does not recognise my piano and I have to reconnect the MIDI usb cable on my laptop.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I started my journey with PM in May 2016. However I didn't practice everyday. At some point I had a break, which took around 2 months. Last Christmas I decided to practice everyday and so far so good. I'm going to join the "180 days club" in the Practice Streak Rank soon.
Congrats! I'm on a streak that started December 26th, myself! But unless I get myself a travel piano soon, it'll be broken by a vacation in a few weeks...
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by John_C
Woo Hoo! I know it isn't much in the grand scheme of things, but last night I completed Level 1 of both the Technique and Method exercises. After about three weeks of playing, I'm really enjoying the heck out of this application. In fact, I've already gone ahead and purchased a one-year subscription.

Starting Level 2 tonight!


CONGRATULATIONS ! smile
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I started my journey with PM in May 2016. However I didn't practice everyday. At some point I had a break, which took around 2 months. Last Christmas I decided to practice everyday and so far so good. I'm going to join the "180 days club" in the Practice Streak Rank soon.
Congrats! I'm on a streak that started December 26th, myself! But unless I get myself a travel piano soon, it'll be broken by a vacation in a few weeks...


Yes, I was thinking about that problem. I have a small MIDI keyboard to control music software, however the use it for a piano practice sessions is rather limited. Have you heard about this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XQPHfbQvk
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
Yes, I was thinking about that problem. I have a small MIDI keyboard to control music software, however the use it for a piano practice sessions is rather limited. Have you heard about this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XQPHfbQvk

I'd rather get the one discussed in this thread here. I've only heard bad things about roll up keyboards.

EDIT: BTW, you might consider going with the MIDI keyboard you already have and a highly mobile VST for it, like this one for iPhone/iPads.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/06/19 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
I am not loving PM lately. I’ve had this problem before and have posted about it, but it is really starting to annoy me now. In some songs, PM isn’t picking up notes I’m playing correctly. I don’t know if it’s a PM thing or a connection thing or a “my DP” thing. I’m so frustrated right now I don’t even care to figure out why. I’m just going to leave it and concentrate on my teacher lessons and method book for the time being.

Sorry for this sad post. I guess this is the ups and downs of my piano journey.


Are you absolutely sure. I had this problem when working my way through some of the levels, but in reality I discovered I was only half pressing the key down., even though I thought I had pressed it properly. Consider going into your uploads, selecting the piano marvel library with the song you are having difficulty and copying it into your own uploads. From there you can create your own exercises to really slow down the tune to check it even more carefully.

The other issue - seems more prevalent now I'm using an Ipad is that you must not play the first note until exactly one beat after the counting stops otherwise it isn't picked up. It seems harder on very slow BPM values.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 01:27 PM

Now they have made a new ranking in method and technology. I don't like all those world rankings, I feel pushed. Not everyone has the same time or talent to race through those 6 levels. It is bad for self-confidence with all those tables of others.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Now they have made a new ranking in method and technology. I don't like all those world rankings, I feel pushed. Not everyone has the same time or talent to race through those 6 levels. It is bad for self-confidence with all those tables of others.

Did they just add this? Is it on the main page? I haven't used PM in a few days.

Learning piano is your personal journey Sarah65. Even if they have world rankings, for me it would be like having world rankings for running. It doesn't mean people shouldn't leave their homes to go jogging just because there are millions who are better.
Posted By: Sarah65

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
[quote=Did they just add this? Is it on the main page? I haven't used PM in a few days.
Learning piano is your personal journey Sarah65. Even if they have world rankings, for me it would be like having world rankings for running. It doesn't mean people shouldn't leave their homes to go jogging just because there are millions who are better.


Yes, Tyrone, you are right, but in this way they lower an artistic art form to a banal competition. That disappoints me. And every person has a bit of a winner's mentality, so you feel more or less obliged to participate in the foolish competition.The person who stands first is therefore not the best pianist. wink
They add it today I think.
Posted By: CLM Piano Learner

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Sarah65
Now they have made a new ranking in method and technology. I don't like all those world rankings, I feel pushed. Not everyone has the same time or talent to race through those 6 levels. It is bad for self-confidence with all those tables of others.


I think it can be a motivation tool for *some* users of PM, but not all. Some people don't even use the method and technique sections (they use separate method books provided by their teacher and use PM only to learn music from the library section). I sure they will just ignore those rankings. I think it's perfectly fine to go at your own pace and not worry about the rankings.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 03:45 PM

I don't like the world rankings much either, even though I am apparently 118th of 134000 plus in Technique. As everyone says that makes it a global competition - and I think it's much more of a personal journey. I only see this when I log in to the web site on my desktop - which I use to edit exercises. There is no keyboard connected here.

I've switched over to an Ipad version since I have one, since the screen geometry gives more than the two lines previously (I almost get 4) and the way it changes is to slowly scroll, rather than effectively jump you up from the bottom line to the top seems much nicer. The aspect ratio on my macbook air was too wide to high.

One thing I have noticed more now I breaking pieces down into very small sections - and maybe only with the ipad, it it frequently says I haven't played the first notes when I use "Assess". I am wondering if the tolerances are lower for the timing (I might PM Josh about it)
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
I've switched over to an Ipad version since I have one, since the screen geometry gives more than the two lines previously (I almost get 4) and the way it changes is to slowly scroll, rather than effectively jump you up from the bottom line to the top seems much nicer. The aspect ratio on my macbook air was too wide to high.

One thing I have noticed more now I breaking pieces down into very small sections - and maybe only with the ipad, it it frequently says I haven't played the first notes when I use "Assess". I am wondering if the tolerances are lower for the timing (I might PM Josh about it)

I'm thinking about switching too since I just got myself an iPad Pro, so it would be nice to have more lines. I believe that I recall you have a CA67, right? For PM, are you using wireless Internet, bluetooth, or do you cable your iPad to the DP?
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by akc42
I've switched over to an Ipad version since I have one, since the screen geometry gives more than the two lines previously (I almost get 4) and the way it changes is to slowly scroll, rather than effectively jump you up from the bottom line to the top seems much nicer. The aspect ratio on my macbook air was too wide to high.

One thing I have noticed more now I breaking pieces down into very small sections - and maybe only with the ipad, it it frequently says I haven't played the first notes when I use "Assess". I am wondering if the tolerances are lower for the timing (I might PM Josh about it)

I'm thinking about switching too since I just got myself an iPad Pro, so it would be nice to have more lines. I believe that I recall you have a CA67, right? For PM, are you using wireless Internet, bluetooth, or do you cable your iPad to the DP?


I bought this usb c to usb a hub https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07GPC9HMF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I bought this usb to headphone adaptor (and microphone) https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B016CU2PEU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

(I also bought some other adaptors along the way and discarded them - initially using an usb c to usb a cable and then a usb a to usb a hub - didn't work as it wouldn't feed the midi signal in. There replaced that with a usb b to usb a hub - but then ipad was always on battery, so eventually purchased the first item above)

I I have a dual ended 3.5mm cable from the headphone socket above to the line in on the CA67 (and of course a usb b to usb a cable from piano to hub above - and power supply to ipad also goes into that hub) - these were what I previously used with my laptop.

I also have a apple pencil and bluetooth page turners (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06XPV2GYW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1) for use with ForScore

The missing first note appears to only be an Ipad thing - and I am using a beta version that Josh set me up with. I did just now PM Josh about the problem.
Posted By: WeakLeftHand

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
I don't like the world rankings much either, even though I am apparently 118th of 134000 plus in Technique. As everyone says that makes it a global competition - and I think it's much more of a personal journey. I only see this when I log in to the web site on my desktop - which I use to edit exercises. There is no keyboard connected here.

I've switched over to an Ipad version since I have one, since the screen geometry gives more than the two lines previously (I almost get 4) and the way it changes is to slowly scroll, rather than effectively jump you up from the bottom line to the top seems much nicer. The aspect ratio on my macbook air was too wide to high.

One thing I have noticed more now I breaking pieces down into very small sections - and maybe only with the ipad, it it frequently says I haven't played the first notes when I use "Assess". I am wondering if the tolerances are lower for the timing (I might PM Josh about it)


I think my problem is related to your problem. I too am having problems with PM acknowledging that I played the first note, and I’m using an iPad.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
I bought this usb c to usb a hub https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07GPC9HMF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I bought this usb to headphone adaptor (and microphone) https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B016CU2PEU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

(I also bought some other adaptors along the way and discarded them - initially using an usb c to usb a cable and then a usb a to usb a hub - didn't work as it wouldn't feed the midi signal in. There replaced that with a usb b to usb a hub - but then ipad was always on battery, so eventually purchased the first item above)

Aha! I wonder if that is why it's not working for me? I tried a USB-A to USB-C cable between my N1X and the iPad Pro, and it doesn't work. Instead, I use a wireless adapter on the DP and that works fine for the DP to interact with the iPad's Yamaha app that can be used to control the piano, but I haven't tried MIDI through it and I'd be concerned about the latency anyways (although the Yamaha app does allow you to play some stored music through the DP, so I assume it can send MIDI files from the iPad to the DP). I wonder if I just needed a real USB hub between DP and iPad, as you have? It sounded like a direct cable didn't work for you either.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Aha! I wonder if that is why it's not working for me? I have a USB-A to USB-C cable between my N1X and the iPad Pro, and it doesn't work. I have a wireless adapter on the DP and that works fine to operate the Yamaha app that can be used to control the piano, but I haven't tried MIDI through it and I'd be concerned about the latency anyways (although the Yamaha app does allow you to play some stored music through the DP, so I assume it can send MIDI files from the iPad to the DP). I wonder if I just needed a real USB hub between DP and iPad, as you have. It sounded like a direct cable didn't work for you either.


I was concerned about bluetooth latency which is why I went for the cabled solution. I am not sure why you usb a (I presume female) to usb c doesn't work. My second usb a to usb b hub was then connected to a usb a (female) to usb c cable into the ipad and that worked - just wasn't feeding the ipad with power.

The item that didn't work was this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003M0NURK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by akc42


Incidentally this item is now feeding my mouse and keyboard on my desktop into a single usb port on my desktop computer (via a single usb a (female) to usb a extension cable) and it works fine, freeing up the older usb b to usb a hub for the experiment I mentioned above.
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 04:54 PM


To avoid wasting more time, I just went ahead and ordered exactly those two make/model items, but from the US Amazon store. Although I have a Yamaha and not a Kawai, I hope this will work for me. I don't imagine there should be that much difference at this level.

Originally Posted by akc42
I also have a apple pencil

I have the Apple Pencil but haven't yet spent the time to know how to properly use it. It spends a lot of time just docked on the iPad.

Originally Posted by akc42

How is that particular page turning working for you? I need one where I can rest my foot on it (without turning any pages) and stomp when I want a page turned. Otherwise, there is too much tension in my left ankle. Would that Donner do that for you?
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
Yes, I was thinking about that problem. I have a small MIDI keyboard to control music software, however the use it for a piano practice sessions is rather limited. Have you heard about this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XQPHfbQvk

I'd rather get the one discussed in this thread here. I've only heard bad things about roll up keyboards.

EDIT: BTW, you might consider going with the MIDI keyboard you already have and a highly mobile VST for it, like this one for iPhone/iPads.



Thanks for the link. I like Reface CP. The price is rather high, but the quality definitely is there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6efG4oQ73Q
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Originally Posted by akc42

How is that particular page turning working for you? I need one where I can rest my foot on it (without turning any pages) and stomp when I want a page turned. Otherwise, there is too much tension in my left ankle. Would that Donner do that for you?


No it won't. If you rest your foot on it will turn the page. But then I don't use it like that. I rest my foot on the floor just left of the soft pedal on the piano, with the page turner just to the left of my foot, so that when I rest and rotate my foot on the heel it comes over the pedal and I press it down. I can rotate further to come the other way.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/07/19 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Originally Posted by akc42
I also have a apple pencil

I have the Apple Pencil but haven't yet spent the time to know how to properly use it. It spends a lot of time just docked on the iPad.


I haven't used it that much yet, as I am spending most of my time on Piano Marvel, but I have used it to notate fingering on a piece I am learning and to Paint over in white a Natural Mark that was misplaced on a Chopin Nocturne.
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/11/19 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Aha! I wonder if that is why it's not working for me? I have a USB-A to USB-C cable between my N1X and the iPad Pro, and it doesn't work. I have a wireless adapter on the DP and that works fine to operate the Yamaha app that can be used to control the piano, but I haven't tried MIDI through it and I'd be concerned about the latency anyways (although the Yamaha app does allow you to play some stored music through the DP, so I assume it can send MIDI files from the iPad to the DP). I wonder if I just needed a real USB hub between DP and iPad, as you have. It sounded like a direct cable didn't work for you either.


I was concerned about bluetooth latency which is why I went for the cabled solution. I am not sure why you usb a (I presume female) to usb c doesn't work. My second usb a to usb b hub was then connected to a usb a (female) to usb c cable into the ipad and that worked - just wasn't feeding the ipad with power.

The item that didn't work was this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003M0NURK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1




I used a bluetooth adaptor the other day from Yamaha and it worked wonderfully with no problems at all. It was amazing and my first time using such technology!
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/12/19 07:36 PM

I have just completed level 4 technique and method.
100% of course.
I'm very happy tonight
Posted By: Chrispy

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/12/19 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I have just completed level 4 technique and method.
100% of course.
I'm very happy tonight


Congratulations! as I'm 1/4 through 4-E myself, I understand the accomplishment. Sunrise (aka Moana) may be permanently scarred in to my brain pathways.
Posted By: Music&Lyrics

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/12/19 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Chrispy
Originally Posted by Music&Lyrics
I have just completed level 4 technique and method.
100% of course.
I'm very happy tonight


Congratulations! as I'm 1/4 through 4-E myself, I understand the accomplishment. Sunrise (aka Moana) may be permanently scarred in to my brain pathways.



Thank you. I wouldn't worry too much, cause I had to check what Sunrise is in PM smile.
Yes, I'm listening to it now, of course I remember, and I know why I wanted to forget that piece wink
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/14/19 07:35 AM

I just restarted trying to get into Method 6A again. Skipping the Bach Prelude in C for now and starting on "Joy to the World". I've have continued to push forward with sight reading tests daily - and now seem to be regularly scoring about 530 on the SASR scale. This boost (I was previously around 480) has pushed me into thinking about attempting to complete level 6

I've already completed my June goal of 500 minutes. I am a bit in danger of trying to do too much. I am uploading my own music from Musescore - and that seems to be working really well now. I saw Josh's livestream about Lullaby of Birdland - and although I couldn't find his version of the arrangement, I found a Sarah Vaughan version that I like and uploaded that. So I have been learning that with 2 measure exercises (RH, LH and HT) that I created in the upload edit facility.

Finally with my teacher I am learning Mozart's Turkish March and whilst I can't get the fine nuances of touch that she wants from me (and of course I agree I was lacking in) with Piano Marvel - that requires careful stand alone practice - I still find it really great to use it to learn the notes and play them at speed. This piece has quite a few sections that are really fast and need careful fingering to get right.

Although I am liking my ipad with the bigger screen a lot - I am still finding the tighter tolerance on the timing of the first note after the count down so frustrating I am likely to head back to my laptop.
Posted By: millsj1134

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/14/19 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by akc42
Although I am liking my ipad with the bigger screen a lot - I am still finding the tighter tolerance on the timing of the first note after the count down so frustrating I am likely to head back to my laptop.


This has been fixed and should be released in the next build of iPad beta soon! smile
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/14/19 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by millsj1134
Originally Posted by akc42
Although I am liking my ipad with the bigger screen a lot - I am still finding the tighter tolerance on the timing of the first note after the count down so frustrating I am likely to head back to my laptop.


This has been fixed and should be released in the next build of iPad beta soon! smile


I am looking forward to that. smile
Posted By: Bretts

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/17/19 02:00 PM

Anyone else on 6B - Eine kleine Nachtmusik? Finding it very hard to get to speed at 120bpm. nice challenge though. Generally finding i fly through the technique sections, and get bogged down on method.
Posted By: akc42

Re: Other people do Piano Marvel? - 06/17/19