Piano World Home Page

My new term for adult beginners!

Posted By: ShiroKuro

My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 07:13 PM

So, some/many of us here, like me, started piano as adults, but the title "adult beginner"  just doesn't really work for a lot us anymore. Like for myself, I've been playing for more than 10 years now. So I thought of a new title:

Adult began-er!! You know, since I began as an adult, but I'm not a beginner anymore. So, what do you think? 

I'm over-tired and under-caffeinated, so I think it's sheer brilliance . If you agree, please start using this term. laugh

(P.S. as far as I know, I just made this term up, but if you've heard it before, please let me know.)
Posted By: charleslang

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 07:26 PM

Hi ShiroKuro,

It's an interesting question, I think. Not too long ago I was wondering about it, since I told someone I was an adult beginner and they misunderstood that to mean that I was a beginner. I've been playing for fifteen years.

My conclusion was finally that when you reach a certain level, you're not much different than many people who began as children. And, if you're as advanced as them, it becomes less important that you started as an adult. It's nothing more than a biographical fact.

Some great (food) chefs learn their trade from chef parents as children, while others start their careers later. But there's no need for a special term for the ones who begin late! Nor is there in any other profession or hobby. Why should there be in piano?

I suspect that there are various reasons for the 'childhood fetish' which surrounds the piano. It's certainly widespread. I for one don't understand it.

Maybe we should all simply be described as musicians?

Posted By: Sly Cat

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by charleslang

Maybe we should all simply be described as musicians?



Absolutely.

I may be an adult and a kinda-sorta beginner - but that's too much of a mouthful.

I'm just a mucisian/pianist. Not as good as some, better than others - but still a pianist! I'm sure society as a whole can deal with and understand the fact that there are all different degrees of musicians/pianists without the need to pigeon-hole ourselves.
Posted By: ShiroKuro

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 07:32 PM

Quote
Maybe we should all simply be described as musicians


Yes, of course you're right. But I like the distorted grammaticality of the word began-er...
Posted By: Sly Cat

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Quote
Maybe we should all simply be described as musicians


Yes, of course you're right. But I like the distorted grammaticality of the word began-er...


If it makes you feel good, I officially(?!) declare you an Adult Began-er! smile
Posted By: mr_super-hunky

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 07:45 PM

Something about calling myself a began-er makes me want to cut the sleeves off my flannel shirt and strum a banjo.

I think it is a clever term but I must agree with Charleslang on this one. It doesn't really matter where we started but rather where we are now and how we have progressed.

I am a gonna stick with *noodler* however as that's an ongoing thang!
Posted By: ShiroKuro

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 07:51 PM

Mr S-H, I think you're pretty much a professional, maybe you should go with "noodlist"

(sorry, I'm having a distorted grammaticality day here...)
Posted By: wayne33yrs

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 07:53 PM

dear pianoholicsanonimous, my name's wayne and I've been a beganner for 2yrs!
Posted By: Andy Platt

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 07:57 PM

I think we should just rename ABF as "Friendly Piano Player Forum" and another as "Unfriendly Piano Player Forum"

... wink
Posted By: chercherchopin

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Andy Platt
I think we should just rename ABF as "Friendly Piano Player Forum" and another as "Unfriendly Piano Player Forum"

... wink

I think 'began-er' is very clever.

I also think that the 'Unfriendly Piano Player Forum' isn't even at Piano World. grin
Posted By: ShiroKuro

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 08:14 PM

What's an unfriendly piano?

"Forum for players of unfriendly pianos" --sounds like a support group for owners of landfill pianos, maybe?
Posted By: BenPiano

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
What's an unfriendly piano?


[Linked Image]
Posted By: wayne33yrs

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 08:21 PM

Andy Platt
"I think we should just rename ABF as "Friendly Piano Player Forum" and another as "Unfriendly Piano Player Forum"

ShiroKuro
"What's an unfriendly piano? "
"Forum for players of unfriendly pianos" --sounds like a support group for owners of landfill pianos, maybe?"


Hope that wasn't directed at me lol, i didn't mean to be unfriendly, was just joking smile
Posted By: Monica K.

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 08:23 PM

omg, BenPiano, that photo is absolutely HILARIOUS! laugh laugh

Posted By: Andy Platt

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 08:39 PM

Yes, my choice of words wasn't great wink

But it does allow me to add one more forum: "Red Piano Player Forum".

Posted By: casinitaly

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 08:41 PM

oh yes, I love began-er! lol.... (though I'm still a beginner)....

And Mr. Super-Hunky can start a noodlist camp!!!!!

Ben,....DA dum...DA dum....DA dum, Da dum Da dum..... love your unfriendly piano!
Posted By: wayne33yrs

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Andy Platt
Yes, my choice of words wasn't great wink

But it does allow me to add one more forum: "Red Piano Player Forum".



I saw this on Rozina's yt chanel(another pwf member)

UndyingAnguish (3 weeks ago)

Beautiful playing! I started playing the piano at 24 too and I love it! It's my true passion. Keep in touch.
-Clay

http://www.youtube.com/user/UndyingAnguish


wonder if I found Cayts?
Posted By: casinitaly

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by wayne32yrs
Originally Posted by Andy Platt
Yes, my choice of words wasn't great wink

But it does allow me to add one more forum: "Red Piano Player Forum".



I saw this on Rozina's yt chanel(another pwf member)

UndyingAnguish (3 weeks ago)

Beautiful playing! I started playing the piano at 24 too and I love it! It's my true passion. Keep in touch.
-Clay

http://www.youtube.com/user/UndyingAnguish


wonder if I found Cayts?

It doesn't add up...started at 24, has said he is 60, but in his profile it says 1970, which would make him 41.......hmmmmmmmmmm weird.
Posted By: Studio Joe

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 09:16 PM

Late Bloomers Forum
Posted By: jotur

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 09:32 PM

I think began-er is funny and appropriate.

Unfortunately I had a couple of years of lessons when I was a teenager, so it doesn't quite fit.

OTOH, Joe's Late Bloomers is a perfect description. I'm going to be really good, when I'm 64. Oh, wait :\ laugh

Cathy
Posted By: wayne33yrs

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by casinitaly
Originally Posted by wayne32yrs
Originally Posted by Andy Platt
Yes, my choice of words wasn't great wink

But it does allow me to add one more forum: "Red Piano Player Forum".



I saw this on Rozina's yt chanel(another pwf member)

UndyingAnguish (3 weeks ago)

Beautiful playing! I started playing the piano at 24 too and I love it! It's my true passion. Keep in touch.
-Clay

http://www.youtube.com/user/UndyingAnguish


wonder if I found Cayts?

It doesn't add up...started at 24, has said he is 60, but in his profile it says 1970, which would make him 41.......hmmmmmmmmmm weird.



accordong to his yt channel, he's 26yrs, started piano @ 24yrs, uploaded this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RciWa8eG4z0 2yr ago

Think I'm gonna try the Clayt piano method, after practicing the first bar 100 times, you can start to "play with" time! lol
Posted By: Recaredo

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 10:02 PM

I like the actual forum's name, maybe because I'm an adult and I am begining to learn to play piano. It just describes my situation.


However I understand those who prefer other term, because they have already got a large experience playing piano. If I had been playing for a long time, I would not like to be called "beginner". It's clear.

Regards.
Posted By: John_In_Montreal

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by BenPiano
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
What's an unfriendly piano?


[Linked Image]


Talk about unfriendly pianos - wouldn't want to be bit by one of those smile It could also represent a piano teacher having a bad day. "WHAT ? You didn't PRACTICE your assignment? " GRRRRrrrRRrrrrrr cursing

Great sense of humour, Benpiano

J
Posted By: chercherchopin

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 10:48 PM

That piano might be incentive to keep the cats from wanting to climb inside and strolling (or lounging) around on the strings. smile
Posted By: Opus45

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 11:08 PM

Quote
..I must agree with Charleslang on this one. It doesn't really matter where we started but rather where we are now and how we have progressed..

I believe Shiro is referring to the special and specific challenges most all adults face after starting to learn to play the piano as an adult without appreciable piano exposure as a child. It's quite similar to other language acquisition efforts by adults with no appreciable exposure to the foreign language as a child. These challenges (and frankly, limitations) are often quickly jumped upon by people here, who are reluctant to consider or talk about such seemingly negative concepts while engaged in their own personal monumental efforts to learn to play the piano.

I dissagree with Charleslang. It DOES make a difference where we started. That is neither bad nor good. It just is. Adults with appreciable piano training as children, and who return to piano playing after years of not playing are not adult beginners (as being defined in this thread), and have many advantages over the adult with no appreciable chilhood exposure.

When I listen to the online recitals in the Adult Beginner Forum I can usually always tell when I'm listening to someone who's had lots of piano lessons as a child.

Shiro, you are on the right track. There should be a better term for piano students like you and so many others who have accomplished so much in learning to play the piano without the benefits of having learned as a child. Adult beginner doesn't quite capture the whole concept.
Posted By: charleslang

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Opus45


I dissagree with Charleslang. It DOES make a difference where we started. That is neither bad nor good. It just is. Adults with appreciable piano training as children, and who return to piano playing after years of not playing are not adult beginners (as being defined in this thread), and have many advantages over the adult with no appreciable chilhood exposure.

When I listen to the online recitals in the Adult Beginner Forum I can usually always tell when I'm listening to someone who's had lots of piano lessons as a child.


If you mean that it makes a difference in terms of presenting special challenges, I agree with you and, in fact, I've argued for that point elsewhere on these forums.

But it looks like in the above passage you don't mean that. It looks like you're claiming that there is a ceiling beyond which adult beginners cannot climb. This may be true in some cases, but in other cases it is just false.

When an adult reaches a truly intermediate or even advanced level, they are just intermediate or advanced pianists, period. That was my point in my first post. If they don't, they are still adult beginners (if they don't work hard enough or don't have a good teacher, they may stay adult beginners for 20 years or their whole life).

The idea that there is a lingering 'accent' (using your language metaphor) for those who begin as adults is false, and to claim this as you do is not helpful.

There seem to be two common mistaken attitudes towards adult beginners: on the one idealist extreme, they are supposed to have no special challenges, while on the other, they are ultimately only ever going to get so far and they'll never really be good.

You appear to have pigeonholed me into the former slot -- which is inaccurate, as I've explained -- but you yourself fall into the second slot. The truth is somewhere in between.

Originally Posted by Opus45

Shiro, you are on the right track. There should be a better term for piano students like you and so many others who have accomplished so much in learning to play the piano without the benefits of having learned as a child. Adult beginner doesn't quite capture the whole concept.


I disagree. As I said above, either you are a beginner or intermediate or advanced. The term 'adult beginner' does justice to the special challenges faced at the beginning. If an adult is not a true intermediate pianist after ten years, he or she needs to work harder or get another teacher. But if he or she is an intermediate player, then there isn't a need to accompany that information with the information that they began as adults. They are intermediate pianists, period.
Posted By: ShiroKuro

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/16/11 11:56 PM

I'm really glad that my silly idea has sparked some serious debate. (I mean that sincerely). In the ... 7 years (wow) I've been on this forum, this subject has come up a lot, and it's because it's such a complex issue/question that it keeps coming up. Unfortunately, the only thing about me that's working today is my grammaticality distortion field (having just gotten over jet lag and the first week of summer school) so I'm not to contributing anything coherent right now. But I will soon, because although this thread was inspired by silliness, it's based on some real questions.

P.S. Opus45, long time no see smile
Posted By: mr_super-hunky

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 02:35 AM

I think shiro has been hitting the sauce. Sake to be exact!

Benpiano, awesome pic. That piano will eat you alive if you mess with it. Just imagine what the tuner must think when crawlin' into that beast. I'd be nice to it.
Posted By: Rostosky

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 05:03 AM

a D ult begINNERS : D+INNERS = Dinners. mmmmm Dinners, one of the only things that may stop practice, a good dinner?
Posted By: TheodorN

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 05:10 AM

How about Adult begoners? cool
Posted By: Rostosky

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 05:11 AM

or just Adultairers?
Posted By: TheodorN

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 05:27 AM

No, ABF users don't do such things. cool
Posted By: Rostosky

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 05:58 AM

Did you spot the pun of "air" ers?
Adult air ers. we are adults and play airs,

And we are adults that "air" our opinions (possibly more often than playing airs)

oh come on thats probably unbeatable at this time in the morning!

I am an Adultairer and not ashamed.

Actually I am very proud of that: Adultairers.
Posted By: Little_Blue_Engine

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by BenPiano
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
What's an unfriendly piano?


[Linked Image]
Can anyone here play "Crocodile Rock"? grin
Posted By: joyoussong

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 01:44 PM

(Another perspective on "beginner" is the idea of "beginner's mind":
Shoshin (初心) is a concept in Zen Buddhism meaning "beginner's mind". It refers to having an attitude of openness, eagerness, and lack of preconceptions when studying a subject, even when studying at an advanced level, just as a beginner in that subject would." <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshin>
It hardly ever happens anymore when I'm making pottery; I've been doing it too long. I'm glad it still does with piano.
Posted By: Opus45

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by charleslang
Originally Posted by Opus45

I dissagree with Charleslang. It DOES make a difference where we started. That is neither bad nor good. It just is. Adults with appreciable piano training as children, and who return to piano playing after years of not playing are not adult beginners (as being defined in this thread), and have many advantages over the adult with no appreciable chilhood exposure.

When I listen to the online recitals in the Adult Beginner Forum I can usually always tell when I'm listening to someone who's had lots of piano lessons as a child.


... It looks like you're claiming that there is a ceiling beyond which adult beginners cannot climb. This may be true in some cases, but in other cases it is just false.

When an adult reaches a truly intermediate or even advanced level, they are just intermediate or advanced pianists, period. That was my point in my first post. The idea that there is a lingering 'accent' (using your language metaphor) for those who begin as adults is false, and to claim this as you do is not helpful.


You appear to have pigeonholed me into the former slot -- which is inaccurate, as I've explained -- but you yourself fall into the second slot. The truth is somewhere in between.

..either you are a beginner or intermediate or advanced. The term 'adult beginner' does justice to the special challenges faced at the beginning. If an adult is not a true intermediate pianist after ten years, he or she needs to work harder or get another teacher. But if he or she is an intermediate player, then there isn't a need to accompany that information with the information that they began as adults. They are intermediate pianists, period.


Not sure what you're talking about when you mention your first post. This is the only thread i've read here in quite a long time. In fact, I thought S-H was referring to a famous pianist or someone who wrote a book for adult beginners when he was referring to charleslang, otherwise i probably wouldn't have used your name in my quote since i'm usually such a naseatingly polite person.

Bottom line. I think I'm right and you're wrong. grin
Posted By: CebuKid

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 01:59 PM

Uh oh...another attempt at a shakeup?

Let's see.. we've had name change shakeups, mixing up the ABF recitals, spinning off the ABF with an intermediate forum, and most recently a competitive recital.

We ain't budging this time, although if you think about it, at least 90% of us here are re-beganers (intermediates). sleep
Posted By: Stanza

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 04:01 PM

Well, I for one am a re-tread. I did take lessons for many years as a child....but never learned to play well (might have had something to do with not practicing). According to my current teacher, the experience nevertheless was beneficial, putting me way ahead of piano-naive adult students.

However, my status is not to be confused with those who were actually pretty good when they were young, and then quit! Maybe in some ways I am better off, since I don't have the frustration of: "I used to be able to play all this advanced stuff really well..."
Posted By: casinitaly

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by CebuKid


although if you think about it, at least 90% of us here are re-beganers (intermediates).


Really?? I honestly wouldn't think it is that high.
There are a lot of people who started piano in their 40s and 50s.....

I'd be really curious to do a poll(which doesn't seem to be an option on this forum)...
1. previous musical experience before playing piano ? What?
2. Started as adult - at what age ?
3. Had lessons as a child ? For how many years ?


Posted By: Emissary52

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Rostosky
Did you spot the pun of "air" ers?
Adult air ers. we are adults and play airs,

And we are adults that "air" our opinions (possibly more often than playing airs)

oh come on thats probably unbeatable at this time in the morning!

I am an Adultairer and not ashamed.

Actually I am very proud of that: Adultairers.


Well, after just playing a sonatina which did have a few mistakes, I'm considering that at 58, I'm an "Adult-Error"!
grin
Posted By: SAMoore

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 06:38 PM

Maybe all our Avatars or signatures could include abbreviations... I'll start

AB - Adult Beginner (AB)
AB-2001 - Adult Beginner(when we started)
ARL-#### - Adult Re-Learner (restart-date)...
Posted By: Sam S

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 06:53 PM

It's easy enough to do an online poll.

Should I set one up?

Lets agree on questions first - like these:

1. Did you begin playing piano as an adult?
2. How many years of previous musical experience do you have on instruments other than piano?
3. If you played as a child, how many years of piano experience did you have before restarting as an adult?
4. If you restarted as an adult, how many years did you not play the piano between childhood and adulthood?

Any other questions?

Sam
Posted By: Lain

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sam S
It's easy enough to do an online poll.


Good idea.

5. What instruments besides piano do you play?
6. How long have you received piano lessons?
Posted By: casinitaly

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/17/11 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sam S
It's easy enough to do an online poll.

Should I set one up?

Lets agree on questions first - like these:

1. Did you begin playing piano as an adult?
2. How many years of previous musical experience do you have on instruments other than piano?
3. If you played as a child, how many years of piano experience did you have before restarting as an adult?
4. If you restarted as an adult, how many years did you not play the piano between childhood and adulthood?

Any other questions?

Sam

That would be great Sam! (I think you are a wizard!)
I think Lain's question n5 about which other instruments do you play is similar to your N2.....are they different enough or should they be combined?

I think the results will be very interesting!
Posted By: CebuKid

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/18/11 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by casinitaly
Originally Posted by CebuKid


although if you think about it, at least 90% of us here are re-beganers (intermediates).


Really?? I honestly wouldn't think it is that high.
There are a lot of people who started piano in their 40s and 50s.....

I'd be really curious to do a poll(which doesn't seem to be an option on this forum)...
1. previous musical experience before playing piano ? What?
2. Started as adult - at what age ?
3. Had lessons as a child ? For how many years ?




Well, let's define beginner. I think it's someone who just started, say, someone who's playing from Alfred 1 in their first few months asking how to play "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" legato.

Anyone who plays actual repertoire is an intermediate in my book - regardless of what age they start. Just my opinion.

There are quite a few here that I know who are real actual adult beginners to piano, but jumped right into repertoire (ie skipped any method books). I call people in this category "advanced beginner" or early-intermediate.

This is just my observation, but I noticed most of these early intermediate types had some previous musical background (examples: guitar and violin), which gives them a head start reading music, having rhythm, knowing key signatures, etc...which gives them a huge head start with piano. That said, does this make them true beginners to music or just true beginners to piano?

I have been asking for a poll here for ages!! Sam, please get one going. smile
Posted By: ladypayne

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/18/11 01:13 AM

hmm I wouldn't even know where to begin to categorize myself frown I always just figured the term adult beginner meant if you are an adult that plays the piano and you feel like a beginner.. then you are an adult beginner lol or something like that. I didn't start piano as an adult but I still feel like an adult beginner half the time. I hear so many amazing pianists and songs..that I could never play in a million years so makes me feel like a beginner half the time. There's so much to learn on the piano. That's a good thing by the way :P
Posted By: joyoussong

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/18/11 02:03 AM

I wouldn't know where to put myself as far as "playing" other instruments. I've been able to strum simple chords on guitar since I was 17, & still have a guitar. & I acquired an alto recorder & a teach yourself book when I was about 30, & got through 2 levels of the teach yourself books. I started piano when I was 61 (almost 3 years ago), & I've already progressed further with piano than I ever did with either guitar or recorder. I might define myself as "have played with" guitar & recorder, rather than "have played."
Posted By: mr_super-hunky

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/18/11 05:51 AM

1. Did you begin playing piano as an adult? Yes sir I did. Age 40.

2. How many years of previous musical experience do you have on instruments other than piano? Junior high and high school concert band (drums).

3. If you played as a child, how many years of piano experience did you have before restarting as an adult? Zippo. We did have a 100 year old piano (Sterling) that I banged on from time to time but was obsessed with drumming at the time.

4. If you restarted as an adult, how many years did you not play the piano between childhood and adulthood? Not really applicable. I started playing piano 6 years ago as rehab for a badly broken wrist/hand from a motocross crash (Damn Yamaha YZ400) and soon fell in love with the ability to perform the melody and not just keep the beat. A whole new world for me that seemd to be missing all this time.

The ability to create and express my emotions through the music and melodies is truly a godsend for me. It seems to have been built up for a mighty long time. I am so happy I finally discovered piano. Now if my abilities could only keep up with the melodies in my mind. Baby steps I guess.

Posted By: Sam S

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/18/11 12:01 PM

I'll create a new topic for this - but here's a survey:

The ABF Survey 2011

It's a Google Docs form, which is probably the easiest and quickest and cheapest way to do a survey of a lot of people.

I probably put in too many questions, but only the first one is required smile

I'll publish a link to responses later...

Sam
Posted By: JeanieA

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/18/11 03:41 PM

Sam, thanks for setting that up! Ain't Google Docs a beautiful thing? (Wonder how long it'll be before they start charging for it...).

Some interesing responses so far, I found the number of people taking lessons to be lower than what I expected.
Posted By: EmptySpace

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/19/11 04:26 AM

How about a relative new-comer's perspective?

I resisted participating in the ABF when I first discovered PW because the label didn't fit me (started at 7, lessons through HS, quit for 20 years, started again). It took a while to sort things and discover that this is where I'm supposed to be.

Yes, I followed the the link in the sticky to the "Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for" thread (interesting that that thread has the same OP as this thread, no?), but I still found the name a little off-putting.

So really, my only objection to the term 'Adult Beginner' would be that it can be confusing for the uninitiated. How about this q on the survey: "What term would you use to describe your piano status?"

FWIW, I consider myself a "piano hobbyist"; hardly a term that rolls off the tongue. But really, you can call me anything (just not late for dinner).

After all, someone a whole lot smarter and more eloquent than me once said something about a rose, and a smell, and a name, or something. Can't remember what, exactly, and I'm too lazy to google it.

Good night!
Posted By: ShiroKuro

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/19/11 04:36 AM

How cow EmptySpace, way to find a thread I certainly have no memory of! grin If anyone reads that thread (which was started in 2006), be sure to at least read to the qualifying bit about the being descriptive and not prescriptive...

We've had so many discussions about this over the years. I think it's cool, and it doesn't matter that there's no definitive answer. I really like hearing people's thoughts on the topic, whether they match my own or not.

I like piano-hobbyist... but I also (in keeping with my grammar-distortion theme) like piano-ist smile I used to write POed a lot (piano-obsessed).

P.S. My grandfather used to always say "you can call me whatever you want, just don't call me late for dinner" You brought back some happy memories for me! 3hearts
Posted By: mr_super-hunky

Re: My new term for adult beginners! - 06/19/11 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Mr S-H, I think you're pretty much a professional, maybe you should go with "noodlist"

(sorry, I'm having a distorted grammaticality day here...)


Yes, that's it. I want to become an accomplished *noodlist*. that fits perfectly. And besides, noodlists don't have to sightread sheet music....a.k.a kryptonite!

I'm sticking with that.
© 2019 Piano World Piano & Digital Piano Forums