With all due respect, are you saying that all the published RH info, etc. is essentially a crock? And that it exists solely for the advantage of the HVAC industry? And that it should be totally ignored as being solely a profit motive?
Let me just suggest that these figures not be held as scientific... Let's get some findings from independent sources (without any conflicting interests), if you wish to present them as evidence. Those figures are extremely low for a reason, and it isn't due to your wall's interior mildewing, or rotting out.
...Now any "profit" I might have made from installing the system is easily gone in one or two years due to my "losing" tuning appointments to the stability of the piano. They don't need me as much. Where is my profit motive in this? This, in fact is what I have detected (and even heard out of the mouths of tuners) as to the REAL reason many do not advocate this system...they lose money (in their minds). BECAUSE it works (particularly well on verticals...not as well on grands), they feel their existence is threatened.
I assure you that my concern is for the pianos... Since, we both know very well that a piano will absolutely require tuning at least once a year, no matter how much one controls it's environment - the instrument falls out of tune due to many factors.
So, any concern about loss of money from the yearly tuning is a rather bogus suggestion I think
Since the average client (for me anyway) is only getting it tuned once a year.
I know that I could build quite a nice little nest-egg on the sale of LifeSaver systems up here in this environment, if I were of the mind. But, I'm not. Sometimes I would like to be, but I always go the other route ("go to Walmart and get yourself a humidifier- you might not control the room, but you can control the area the piano is in, in the room")... It works.
...I'm NOT saying this is your motivation. You obviously have found a way to motivate clients to run a humidifier consistently through the winter (to their advantage) whereas I cannot seem to do that except in a few cases. I flat out tell people: "The single most important thing you can do for your piano is to control the humidity".
It's simple. Tell them what happen to pianos that are not controlled, then state how that their piano will be destroyed if they don't do something. Proceed to state the price of a Lifesaver system, and then point out "BUT, you can get rather staggering results by simply getting a cheap humidifier from Walmart and running it during the winter months". Which works rather affectively.
FOR the which though, now I come on here and suddenly find a NEW thing going around the tech community about how humidifiers will destroy your home! LOL
Really? Why are the companies still making them?
Seems they would stop due to liability issues (at the least). Or, at the least the instruction for what level of humidity would be dramatically changed!
But in the past two weeks I suddenly am getting this EXACT SAME 'scary' retort, whenever I mention humidifiers, coming from all the techs at once, it appears - kinda reminds me of the media when they get a new angle to run with... People should stop just repeating what they are told, and take time to consider the facts, AND WHERE the data is coming from.
It seems to me (again with all due respect) that you feel that greed, manipulation and opportunism is behind the Dampp-chaser company and that we would all be better off if they imply folded up and went the way of the dodo bird. And from what you have said that feeling might even apply to the entire HVAC industry...perhaps?
LOL I like that
Actually you are not far from my thoughts on those matters...
Perhaps when the people that do Lifesaver present some ACTUAL test confirmations and scientific findings on how these systems affect a piano's overall health over the many, many years these heating bars are running so close to the spruce soundboard, and the humidity being pumped directly into the piano- perhaps then I will have more confidence in the safety of these units over the long haul.
I'm not alone in my thoughts, as I'm sure you are aware that Steinway actually voids their warranty if one wishes to install one of these- as do others mfg's.
So far, the only tests/findings I have been able to get is some silly comparison test from ONE piano with a Lifesaver installed, tuned once and LEFT CLOSED UP UNTOUCHED for a year (checking on the tuning every couple months). What this did in the way of proof of anything is still a wonder to us...Certainly does nothing to assuage any of the true concerns of prolonged exposure to the system. We contacted them, and they said that this was the only test results that they had available for publication. This was two years ago-- perhaps something has changed?
It all strike me - yes- as pure sale's gimmick driven by "greed, manipulation and opportunism" as you say...
Again, the test they have available for us seems to have been performed in a manner in which the company can, as an end-goal, say, "Voila, see how it works!". The piano wasn't even played during the test period!
If it weren't for but one thing I should like to see them all go the way of the Dodo bird (is it really extinct? remember the bald eagle? one day it'll be discovered in droves in some forsaken wilderness)- BUT for the fact that, when all else fails, it is good to have a system like that to fall back on- again, when ALL else fails. I think I have had to fall back on it 3 times in 5 or 6 years.
I am saying this because in 44 years I have had about 90%-95% success rate with usage of these systems (when installed and maintained properly). I do not see the "damage done" that you have inferred. If I did, I would be talking differently.
I never try to argue that the system doesn't stabilize the piano's tuning. It does. But, keeping a tuning closer for a longer period of time DOES NOT mean your piano is being subjected to a healthy long-term environment. I think you know this too
So, if you have a number of instruments that you have kept track of in service for 10+ years with a climate control routinely kept up- I would like the findings you have... Seriously.
Even then though- how do we know the same results would not have happened with a piano in the same room without any Lifesaver... This is what I would REALLY like to see-- a true comparison of TWO same-make pianos in the same room in the same environment, 1 with, 1 without. Let's have a fair scientific test please--- I mean it has been what? 35+ years since these things started coming out!?! And no one seems interested in keeping records or looking into things. LOL probably because MOST of the time the systems go-by-the-way-side to improper use and end up with mildew, crusty pads, and a bucket that needs the barnacles scraped off it.
Seriously though, how many of these pianos out there with the systems are requiring major soundboard work (or other things) after so long a time? Do we know? Nope. There are no numbers to crunch.
So I take my stand on the side of suspiciously eyeing the industry, and cautiously observing.
One is rarely disappointed when being wary of such things.
Especially when there are no UN-biased sources being used for the tech community to publish.