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Posted By: Elysia

give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 05:36 PM

I am not sure why but I have never played a Chopin piece, I have most of his pieces in my collection. I dont know which piece to play first, I don't have a favorite because I want to play EVERYTHING grin I am looking for recommendations, tell me which piece you would start with and why. Let's not worry about difficulty, I will judge that when I see it.
Posted By: AssociateX

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 05:43 PM

The very first piece I learned from Chopin was his Prelude in E Minor (I think it is Op 28 # 4). It is easy because the left hand just plays a repetitive set of chords for 80% of the piece, and only a few measures where you have to change the chord by 2 note in an ascending or descending pattern. The hardest measure is about 3 or 4 measures before the last one where you have the right hand jumping to an octave note and timing it in such a way that it comes together w the Left hand.

hope this helps!
Posted By: bennevis

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Elysia
I dont know which piece to play first, I don't have a favorite because I want to play EVERYTHING grin I am looking for recommendations, tell me which piece you would start with and why. Let's not worry about difficulty, I will judge that when I see it.

One should always start at the shallow end, with his easiest piece, Op.58. It's also his most varied in mood, full of rumination as well as fire.

It also happens to be the longest work for solo piano Freddy ever wrote, but one shouldn't let trifles like that bother us thumb.
Posted By: dogperson

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by Elysia
I dont know which piece to play first, I don't have a favorite because I want to play EVERYTHING grin I am looking for recommendations, tell me which piece you would start with and why. Let's not worry about difficulty, I will judge that when I see it.

One should always start at the shallow end, with his easiest piece, Op.58. It's also his most varied in mood, full of rumination as well as fire.

It also happens to be the longest work for solo piano Freddy ever wrote, but one shouldn't let trifles like that bother us thumb.


Op 58, by grading standards, is rated grades 10-12... far from the easiest Chopin
There are several preludes in op 28 which would make a good ‘first Chopin’ but I have found the nocturnes to be the most satisfying for me to learn. Op 9 1 and 2, 72 no 1, 55 no 1 and 30 in C sharp minor post are all accessible. They will take a little longer to learn than the preludes, which are generally 1-2 pages.

Listen to the preludes, nocturnes and waltzes and see what captures your heart. I have always found that what I love to play is always easier to learn than something else as the end result is satisfying
Posted By: BruceD

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Elysia
I am not sure why but I have never played a Chopin piece, I have most of his pieces in my collection. I dont know which piece to play first, I don't have a favorite because I want to play EVERYTHING grin I am looking for recommendations, tell me which piece you would start with and why. Let's not worry about difficulty, I will judge that when I see it.


I would suggest, since you have a collection of "most of his pieces," that you read through the ones that look less challenging to start with,give them a try, and find what suits you. I think you will find that more satisfying than going on the recommendations of others. We don't know exactly what you might like.

While Chopin is Chopin is Chopin, there are varying techniques required in the different genres: left hand jumps in the Waltzes, broken and solid chord accompaniments in the Nocturnes, a variety of textures in the Preludes, right-hand fioritura in many of the Nocturnes, rhythmic patterns in the early Polonaises and the Mazurkas.

There is, as I say, a great variety even in a consistent style; choose what best suits you.

Regards,
Posted By: Elysia

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 09:38 PM

Prelude in E minor is beautiful but I would like more of a challange. I think I was more interested to see what other peoples favorites are and why. I just cant devide on a favorite. I dont care about difficulty, I play at a high advanced level. Dont base replies on difficulty, it may be my first Chopin but not my first time at the piano:). Have fun with the replies, the more interesting the piece, the more intriguing it will be to me.
Posted By: petebfrance

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 09:46 PM

I rather like the Mazurkas. Op 67 no 2 and 4 are inventive, pleasant to play - no 4 is slightly preferable because of the key change which is something Chopin does so nicely. Neither are difficult, but both I find rewarding - kind of Chopin in miniature Actually, I tend to play through a number of Mazurkas one after the other, (great fun, op7 no1, for example) so as far as I was concerned to start off with I just picked up the book and played through those that I could manage.
However, Waltz Op 18 is probably the piece I like to play most. To me there are a number of different moods which makes it so enjoyable all the way through - the contrasts with the overall 'vivo' expression marking, the dolce section at bar 165 (in my edition) and the con anima section(s) (first at bar 116/117). I have to admit, though, that I first heard it in the ballet music 'Les Sylphides,' and it was kind of 'infectious.'
Posted By: dogperson

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 09:59 PM

Berceuse
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QO9VYfDrcqM

Barcarolle
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=crLaBkFzXHo

Nocturne 48 1
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c94nySKKoWE


Why? Because I personally love them .Personally, I would not choose them for my first Chopin..., but that is for you to decide on how much you want to bite off.

Posted By: Zaphod

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Elysia
Prelude in E minor is beautiful but I would like more of a challange.


Slightly more of a challenge, but similar, might be prelude no. 20, the funeral march. Try playing it and really bring the melody out,not as easy as you might think.
Posted By: Sidokar

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/24/19 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Elysia
Prelude in E minor is beautiful but I would like more of a challange. I think I was more interested to see what other peoples favorites are and why. I just cant devide on a favorite. I dont care about difficulty, I play at a high advanced level. Dont base replies on difficulty, it may be my first Chopin but not my first time at the piano:). Have fun with the replies, the more interesting the piece, the more intriguing it will be to me.


Well if difficulty and challenge are not an issue, i love his barcarolle opus 60 or the ballade 2. Both are very lyrical and dreamy/slightly melancholic. Of all his other pieces i personally prefer the nocturnes or the mazurkas. For example the quite famous opus 27 #1 or 2 on the more darker side of Chopin. The mazurkas are wonderful and more representatives of his polish culture. The choice is difficult !
Posted By: Mark_C

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/25/19 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by bennevis
....his easiest piece, Op.58.

Was that a joke?
Posted By: BruceD

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/25/19 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by bennevis
....his easiest piece, Op.58.

Was that a joke?


Obviously!

Regards,
Posted By: Mark_C

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/25/19 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by BruceD
Obviously!

Well of course it should have been but it didn't look it. smile

BTW, did you notice that you raced past me on the post count? grin
Posted By: BDB

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/25/19 04:55 AM

I recommend starting with the Mazurkas. They are very characteristic, and cover all levels of his technique.
Posted By: bennevis

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/25/19 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by bennevis
....his easiest piece, Op.58.

Was that a joke?


Obviously!

Regards,

Originally, I was going to suggest Op.52, but it's far too short, with its wispy little coda, to pose much of a challenge for anyone, let alone the OP.
Posted By: WTM

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/25/19 03:47 PM

C Sharp Minor Nocturne, No 20.

Can pour infinite emotion into this piece, and even if you play it lazily and rubato it a bit it'll still sound beautiful, sad and eery all at the same time. Also some nice parts technically.
Posted By: Elysia

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/26/19 02:39 AM

Awesome!! Thank you everyone! Really helped me to narrow it down. The Waltz op18 is a fun piece with technical challenges that I would benefit from but the Prelude op28 no20 has a slower tempo, hard choice between the 2 but I am going with the Prelude op28 because it has a slower tempo which will be a relaxing addition to the fast tempo pieces I am working on right now, I will enjoy bringing out the melody notes and the chords are so soul striking smile I made my decision without looking at the pieces because If I like my first impression to be the love of the sound.
Posted By: Carey

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/27/19 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Elysia
Awesome!! Thank you everyone! Really helped me to narrow it down. The Waltz op18 is a fun piece with technical challenges that I would benefit from but the Prelude op28 no20 has a slower tempo, hard choice between the 2 but I am going with the Prelude op28 because it has a slower tempo which will be a relaxing addition to the fast tempo pieces I am working on right now, I will enjoy bringing out the melody notes and the chords are so soul striking smile I made my decision without looking at the pieces because If I like my first impression to be the love of the sound.
Quite frankly, the Opus 28 No. 20 is short and fairly easy - Grade 3 at best. I'd suggest that you still consider some of the shorter pieces mentioned above for a more rounded exposure to the works of Chopin.
Posted By: BDB

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/27/19 04:53 AM

There is nothing wrong with starting with a piece that is easier, especially if you like it.
Posted By: Elysia

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/27/19 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by BDB
There is nothing wrong with starting with a piece that is easier, especially if you like it.


Yes, easy pieces are enjoyable too grin I am really loving the chords!
Posted By: Carey

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/27/19 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Elysia
Originally Posted by BDB
There is nothing wrong with starting with a piece that is easier, especially if you like it.


Yes, easy pieces are enjoyable too grin I am really loving the chords!


Of course, every pianist should play the Opus 28 No.. 20 at some point whether it's easy or not. I was simply encouraging you not to stop there. There are many wonderful - short and accessible - Chopin works that will give you an overall feel for his style.
Posted By: Zaphod

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/27/19 05:31 PM

Opus 28 no 20 =

Relatively easy to play the chords. Like with the abomination that Manilow did.

Not to easy to bring the melody out with the little finger. Some chords being easier than others.

Also not so easy to play the dynamics properly. There's a piano and pianissimo in the middle. To play the pianissimo bit and bring the melody out with those big chords is not that easy.
Posted By: Carey

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/27/19 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Zaphod
Opus 28 no 20 =

Relatively easy to play the chords. Like with the abomination that Manilow did.

Not to easy to bring the melody out with the little finger. Some chords being easier than others.

Also not so easy to play the dynamics properly. There's a piano and pianissimo in the middle. To play the pianissimo bit and bring the melody out with those big chords is not that easy.
Easy for some pianists and not so easy for others - but it's still an intermediate level piece and one of Chopin's most accessible works..
Posted By: Ganddalf

Re: give me a Chopin - 04/27/19 06:58 PM

If I had to go to a desolated island and could bring with me only one of my Chopin albums, it would be the mazurkas. I’m particularly fond of the later ones, but it is hard to pick one favorite.
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