Inspired by the "what did you do today?" thread in the piano technicians forum. Maybe we can keep this going for as long as they have! Me: Debussy - Tried to improve lightness, speed, and accuracy of 16th note arpeggiated figurations. Also worked on phrasing, pedaling and voicing. Some improvement, maybe? Mozart sonata - 3rd movement - tried to get the LH accompaniment figurations light, fast and even: some improvement! Worked on the right hand ornaments and various arpeggios that I sometimes miss. Tried to perfect some phrasing. Mussorgsky - Baba Yaga and Great Gates of Kiev - tried to get the humongous leaps fast and accurate. Failed.
Total time: An hour and a half. Not enough, but I have a midterm coming up so that's all I can spare.
Handel: Mostly worked on the fugue, slowly with a metronome, in an attempt to learn it relatively solidly before I have to play for class in a presentation next week... Brahms: Worked on refining my pedaling in the theme and first few variations Chopin: Worked on efficiency of motion in the fast octave passages (making sure that my arms etc. were relaxed and not tense?) and worked on bringing out the inner voices in the lento section (which I am finding strangely difficult).
I only practice for about an hour and half today too.
I spent another hour and half accompanying for a ballet class though! Some good sightreading practice!
Sonata Opus 78 for the December Beethoven E-Cital. Getting the 2nd movement memorized and up to speed in the next 5 weeks is going to be a challenge
Also worked on the Chopin Opus 25 No. 12 "Ocean" Etude - trying to increase speed on this one too without sacrificing accuracy. At least I've memorized it. Also working on No. 1, 2 and 9 from the same Opus.
Gosh. This has been the first day in weeks that I haven't had either a concert, or a rehearsal, or too much to prepare in too little time! I actually took the day off and went shopping.
But before I went I did put in about a half-hour on the accompaniment to Be kind and courteous from Britten's A Midsummer Night's Dream which I'm performing (amongst other things) with a soprano on Sunday.
Or, it could be the start of a new phase of focused practice
I did things today, but not my own practise. Worked on a number of easy/int pieces by tchaikovsky, grieg, bailey, mendelssohn, dello joio to prepare for teaching. So my sight reading continues to improve, well that's one good thing I suppose.
Also, I wrote 2 songs for beginners, very happy with one of them. And I played along with my students. So, at the piano for hours but no new Bach and Beethoven.
French Suite No 5: Gigue (G Major), and Partita 3: Corrente (A Minor)
Also scales of all keys, similar motion, 4 octaves, major, harmonic minor, and melodic minor, and all keys contrary motion, 2 octaves, major and minor. (Doing this is one of my favourite 'warm up' exercises.)
I haven't practiced yet today because it is only 7:30 am. But last time I practiced:
Mendelssohn Rondo Capriccioso: Worked on the two fast pages before the end slowly in sections to make them more clean and also in rhythms to speed them up.
Bach Prelude and Fugue in B flat: More rhythms for the fast parts of the prelude, and also worked on the phrasing of the big chords. Metronome practice with the fugue because it is uneven
I do most of my useful practice between midnight and 3 am.Usually about an hour or so.This morning as for most of the last two months I concentrated on the fugue from op 110.I do believe it's actually starting to yield a little, I was beginning to lose hope.I also started working out some of the details from the arioso sections. For some light relief I did a run through of Chopin op 37 no 2.It's always been beyond me but it didn't sound too bad this morning.I might give it a go.
90 minutes of improvising for a modern dance class 90 minutes of accompanying a ballet class (mostly classical ballet rep, plus some improvising)
45 minutes of practicing the Hindemith horn sonata 30 minute rehearsal on the Hindemith horn sonata
(need to clean up an octave passage in the 3rd movement and work out some voicing stuff in the first, but otherwise it's sounding okay)
Then 3 hours of teaching.
Today will be similar:
3 hours of dance classes 1.5 hours of rehearsing (for our state's MTNA competition - I'm accompanying four of the woodwind entrants) 3 hours of teaching
Hopefully I've have time tomorrow for real practicing!
Sergei Bortkiewicz's Etude in D flat Op.15 No.8. I just love this great ultra-romantic piece. Such fun to play!
My first piece by a Croatian composer is Dora PejaÄević's Red Carnations from Blumenleben Op.19. What a lovely piece. It's impossible to understand why her works are unknown.
After trying frantically to practice my Beethoven for my lesson tmr, I spent 3 hours reading/learning opera reductions and swearing every two bars.
Haha I know what you mean! I have to accompany a singer right after my lesson every week, and one of the things she is working on is an Aria from Ariadne auf Naxos. The orchestral reduction is RIDICULOUS!
I practiced Ravel Concerto in G for master class on Sunday and did some work on my pieces for Wednesday: Brahms Ballade 1, Chopin Ballade 2, Ravel Rapsodie Espagnole Feria and Dvorak Slavonic Dance No. 8.
And for fun, I read through the first movement of Alkan's Grand Duo Concertant and played the exposition part of it with one of my violinist friends! She really enjoyed it.
And I also read through some of Brahms Concerto 1 yesterday and today... It's magnificent! I'm thinking about dabbling into Saint-Saens Concerto 4 next; I like it so much more than 2, personally (sorry if I'm stepping on anybody's toes).
I have to accompany a singer right after my lesson every week, and one of the things she is working on is an Aria from Ariadne auf Naxos. The orchestral reduction is RIDICULOUS!
I love that opera. I played the Composer's Aria once for a singer- what part of it are you playing? Tell me it's not Es gibt ein Reich, I'll envy you.
I couldn't practice yesterday because of work, commuting to and from my piano lesson (with my new teacher). I can't wait to get home today.
I'm going to work on: Polishing Aufschwung (Schumann opus 12) Working out the kinks of Brahms #119 #3 Re-learn Mozart Sonata #310 with some of the new ideas I got from my teacher.
Yesterday, practiced the harder parts of the Ginastera First Sonata, Beethoven Op. 101, Bach's 4th French Suite, Chopin Polonaise Op. 44, and read through the Smetana Piano Sonata.
I practiced the fast scales in Chopin's Nocturne op9. no 1, worked on Chopin Etude op 25 no 1, and Improvised classical music for a very long time. Also did some scales and worked on Chopin prelude op 28 no 4
Debussy - Valse Romantique Beethoven - Pathetique (Mvt.1 for fun, Mvt.3 for lessons)
Probably a hour, hour and a half today (I'm not exactly sure, I haven't got a dedicated practice hour, I just sit down and play/practice whenever I feel like it)
Mainly looked through some of Prokofievs 3rd concerto today as I´m supposed to play it (somehow) next week in concert. There´s this awfully difficult octava passage near the end of the 2nd movement which needs to be worked on, and to maintain the energy throughout the last pages is indeed quite demanding.
Apart from that I worked on my current etudes - chopins op 10:4 and debussys pour les accords, which are perfect etudes in relation to the prokofiev concerto. And...I couldn´t resist sightreading some Medtner fairy-tales today, lovely stuff.Tomorrow - more prokofiev, for sure..
Rachmaninoff's Preludes op23 (nos 4 and 5): Mostly octave, style, and memorization work Bach: Invention no. 8, Soffeleggio (CPE): just for fun Chopin: various nocturnes: for fun Beethoven: appassionata and moonlight: sightreading and fingering Mozart: sonata for fun Czerny: various etudes for technique and some improvisation (but not i'm not very good)
I printed out the score and started on fantaisie impromptu again (to brush up a few things) after a span of about 4 years and I got a phone call from my neighbor as soon as I started playing because his wife is ill today and so he requested me not to play tonight
For a change of pace, today I played through the entire book of "The Nightmare Before Christmas" music. Danny Elfman is my hero for the day. Surprising harmonies, different styles (even a blues piece!), and quotation of the Dies Irae theme. Most impressively, the music matched the lyrics' mood and feelings. Elfman's a genius.
Dohnyani , pichna, czerny and hanon. I did a combo of exerises for octaves, scales, double thirds, arpegios, trills, broken octaves and tremolo.
Schumann Abegg variation. Theme+Var1+Var3+Coda Chopin etudes Op.10 No.2 and Op.10 No.4. Broke them apart and made small excersises out of them Frank symphonic variations. Started to learn it.
Final mvmnt of Chopin's b-flat minor sonata: Trying to decide on fingering and sticking with it dammit!
Bach's sinfonia in E-flat: another vain attempt at allowing the top two voices to co-exist alone together....(or something just as loosely put)........
John Coltrane's moment's notice: just running through the changes kinda slow-like...
Today: Ravel Concerto all 3 movements, Beethoven Waldstein all 3 movements, Brahms Ballade 1, Chopin Ballade 2, and to reward myself, Alkan Grand Duo Concertant 1st movement.
EDIT: I'm going to practice even more (in between laundry) and sightread Mozart sonatas! After I go through all these, I'll do Haydn.
Joplin's 'Bethena' Waltz - SO addicted to this piece right now. I think it really proves Joplin as a Classical composer. I can play it all through now, just perfecting dynamics and articulations.
Chopin's Piano Concerto No.2 2nd Mvt - Got half of it down now. Some parts are pretty tricky!
And of course Scales, Arpeggio's and a little bit of good old Hanon.
Today: Ravel Concerto all 3 movements, Beethoven Waldstein all 3 movements, Brahms Ballade 1, Chopin Ballade 2, and to reward myself, Alkan Grand Duo Concertant 1st movement.
EDIT: I'm going to practice even more (in between laundry) and sightread Mozart sonatas! After I go through all these, I'll do Haydn.
You're learning the Waldstein!! OMG, it's a fantastic piece!! I finally learned it and performed it several times and took an exam with it last year, after first starting the first movement 5 years ago!! It was a real accomplishment. Are you taking music in university? I'm jealous cause I never have time to practice anymore...
Today I practised for about 2 and a half hours: Liszt: Sonata in b minor Chopin: Scherzo 4 Debussy: Jardins sur la pluie
Then I just ran through some old repertoire..trying to keep my technique and repertoire in shape. Scriabin etude op.42 no.5 Liszt: Transcendental etude no.12 Rachmaninoff: etude op.33 no.4 in d minor Debussy: Ballade, Pagodes Chopin: Scherzo no.3, Ballade no.1
Today about 2 hours. Debussy - lots of little details, especially voicing, correcting random wrong notes and rhythmic inaccuracies Mozart - 1st movement and 3rd movement Mussorgsky - Gnomus and Unhatched chicks +sight read some Bach inventions and Haydn sonatas. My sight reading really sucks, I should work on it more regularly.
Pretty good considering I stayed up cramming for a midterm and only slept 4 hours. Practising is actually very energizing.
Debussy opera, Handel arias and duets (fml), Donizetti arias and duets, Hoffman (? I don't even know what I'm learning), started learning my 20th century piece.... all of this went on and on almost alllll day. So basically, lots of reading today!
Put some touches on the first two movements of Beethoven op.14 #1.
Read through both op.27 Chopin nocturnes, my next project. These are going to be *so* much easier for me than the Beethoven! (Even though I think they're considered more "advanced".)
Continued to work on the Beethoven Opus 78 and Opus 7 for the upcoming Beethoven e-cital. Opus 78 is still in the "learning the notes" stage - Opus 7 is in the "trying to get it back in my fingers and up to tempo after 37 years" stage.
Also working on increasing my speed in Chopin's Etude Opus 25 No. 12. Fortunately, its memorized.
Hi, I'm coming back to all this after a long break (years) and judging from the above posts, some of you are way ahead of me, but this is my daily schedule:
Originally Posted by Remo van de Sande
..worked on Chopin Etude op 25 no 1, ..
The above is one of my target pieces (as below) but I didn't work on it this week, to give my tendinitis a break (was it a good reason to stop for a week?).
But I am doing this passage from the Grieg concerto, the Schubert (but in G for the time being, since it was the key I learnt it in 10 years ago and I'm taking it easy), and the Chopin OP 64 nº 1 waltz, and Grieg's Humoresque Op6 nº1.
As a half-hour prelude to these, for the moment I'm doing progressively slow major and minor scales, over 4 octaves, in parallel motion in octaves, sixths and thirds, some arpeggios, and some Hanon.
I tend do give it about 3 hours, in 3 one-hour sessions..
Oh I haven't played the piano at all today! Was flat out getting our taxes organised until 2.30 this afternoon, then doing the usual Saturday afternoon thing (taking a nap) then had dinner, listening to Schiff as I surf the internet. Think I'm getting a cold - so taking it very easy.
I wasn't only being funny. Practising on the most loved instrument is worth celebrating. The string instrument has had a lot of attention lately...
And now that I've done my small amount of genuine practice that isn't sightreading, I can list it: Bach, Invention 13. That's it. I am returning gently.
I had quite bad tendinitis for about 2 months over the summer so I'm very gradually working back up my practice schedule. Atm I'm on 3 sessions of 20 minutes a day (with warmups and cooldowns either side). As such I don't have much time to work on things but atm I'm mainly working on the 4th movement of beethoven op.10 no.3.
I had quite bad tendinitis for about 2 months over the summer so I'm very gradually working back up my practice schedule. Atm I'm on 3 sessions of 20 minutes a day (with warmups and cooldowns either side).
In my quest to manage my tendinitis problem, in addition to acupuncture and homoeopathic treatment, I’ve begun a short series of a few exercises kindly posted by a Forum member. But I’m very interested in your “warmups and cooldownsâ€.
welcome to the forums oh person with great taste in Inventions I've had such good value from Inv 8 being in memorised repertoire that I thought I'd add a couple more. There are so many possibilities for use in warming up and looking after technique. Today I hope to achieve more than warm up and sight reading. Will post efforts later with any luck.
i went mad on russian scales. major minor melodic and harmonic 3rd 6th 8th 10th apart, czerny school of virtuosity, chopin etudes, and frank symphony variations. 4 hours practice
About 2 hours today. Trying to become more focused in isolating the problem areas and perfecting them. Also did some memory work.
Originally Posted by debrucey
I had quite bad tendinitis for about 2 months over the summer so I'm very gradually working back up my practice schedule. Atm I'm on 3 sessions of 20 minutes a day (with warmups and cooldowns either side). As such I don't have much time to work on things but atm I'm mainly working on the 4th movement of beethoven op.10 no.3.
Yikes! I hope that you get better and that it's not a recurring thing.
Somewhere in between stripping bed,roasting a chicken, and a trip to the gym, I ran through Elgar's "Chanson de Matin" a few times. I plan to ask a flautist (who is also learning English horn) to do this for a wedding we know is coming up.
Thanks to whoever suggested this Elgar - or was that in another group?
Also worked on my accomp for "Amazing Grace"- half the choir doesn't read music, so the rehearsals have been, shall we say, a bit irritating. Basses reverting to melody - that sort of thing.
Yesterday was first long and solid practice in ages, yay. Thanks for extra motivation of this thread maybe
Technique: Bach Inv 13 (also learning notes), and easy Clementi sonata - aiming for detail of touch and exact volume and evenness. Enjoyed this warm up. Beethoven: 14/1 2nd movement, reviving after a year to see if I have improved generally, finding more detail, lightness and rhythmic momentum.
Beethoven op13, mov.3 rondo - working with teacher on this one so about time I got back to learning the notes. I have been really slow in getting to play through stage (no where near yet) but did great work on small fragments and HS over first 3 sections. happy with this.
Armchair memory: did 8 bars yesterday of easy Mozart polonaise (some problems and felt strange). This should improve my sight reading.
Beethoven: 14/1 2nd movement, reviving after a year to see if I have improved generally, finding more detail, lightness and rhythmic momentum.
I worked on that movement today too. For me, the rhythmic momentum came when I started playing it as a little dance, which I achieved by really hearing beats one and three, like a heartbeat....
Thankfully my college put me in contact with a qualified doctor and I am well on the way to permenant recovery. I am worried about Maharishi's reliance on alternative medicine. These things can easily do permenant damage if not treated properly.
Thankfully my college put me in contact with a qualified doctor and I am well on the way to permenant recovery. I am worried about Maharishi's reliance on alternative medicine. These things can easily do permenant damage if not treated properly.
I have had two bouts of tendonitis in my (as yet) short life. Once at 24 (R knee + ankle, a hill-walking injury) and once at 48 (R wrist + thumb, a work-related injury). Both were cured by REST. Massage therapy helped with the wrist/thumb, and I have nothing but good to say about alternative medicine when practiced by the right individuals who have excellent insight, knowledge, and intuition. The FDA, and such like, are NOT your friends.
*climbing off soapbox, now*
Beethoven Op. 79 (for E-cital) Bach, "Aria, 'My Heart Ever Faithful (from the Pentecost Cantata)'" (for a future Haddorff Postcard) Dixon/Henderson, "Bye Bye Blackbird" (1948 copy) (for my daughter, a budding vocalist) Chopin, "Trois Etudes, No. 2," (for the Chopin E-cital, late, dammit, so planning to post in Member Recordings) Davis/Akst, "First, Last and Always (I Love You): Ballad Fox Trot" (for Grandpianoman in his "My Piano In EBVT III" thread, to pass my foxtrot final exam)... Bach, Two-Part Inventions, nos. 1, 3, 4, 8 (today... really want to get 8 under my hands) AND Arlen/Harburg, Keith Jarret interpretation, F. Grossnick transcription, "Over The Rainbow," (for Pianoloverus in the George Shearing thread)
Thankfully my college put me in contact with a qualified doctor and I am well on the way to permenant recovery. I am worried about Maharishi's reliance on alternative medicine. These things can easily do permenant damage if not treated properly.
Unfortunately, "qualified doctors" can also do damage and/or misdiagnose. Thinking back, it is astonishing how many times "qualified doctors" have made gross errors when attempting to treat me for various problems, especially in how they managed to misdiagnose relatively common problems, sometimes repeatedly.
On the other hand, my health maintenance organization (i.e., medical insurance network) is involved with supporting members' interest in alternative medical treatments, and offers on-site classes in things like meditation, yoga, tai chi, and qi gong.
Of course medical doctors make mistakes occasionally, they're only human beings. But at least the science behind how they diagnose is sound. There is no medical benefit to homeopathy or acupuncture whatsoever when compared with a similarly administered placebo. Meditation, yoga etc are all well and good but all they're really doing is teaching you to be aware of your posture and any problems you may have. They're useless once you've actually injured your tendons. I'd far rather trust the medical opinion of a qualified doctor (and I rather feel the inverted commas you use is an insult to the years of study that such qualification requires) over the recommendation of a treatment that has never been shown to be effective in a single double blind clinical trial.
Yesterday was first long and solid practice in ages, yay. Thanks for extra motivation of this thread maybe
Feel free to send presents my way. I only did about an hour today, mostly brushing up the Debussy and re-memorizing the Mozart.
I'd forgotten who started it. For you hehe. Last practice: Bach fugue, more on Beethoven rondo, some sight reading (including a lovely Brahms sarabande that btb posted I think), memorising exercise away from piano (8 bars).
Enjoying putting more into piano, less for cello. I seem to be all one or the other, and each gives the other a break.
Last practice: Bach fugue, more on Beethoven rondo, some sight reading (including a lovely Brahms sarabande that btb posted I think), memorising exercise away from piano (8 bars).
Which Bach fugue? Which Beethoven rondo (Pathetique?)?
In general, on this thread, we should name the pieces in full (not just e.g. "the Mozart").
-Jason
p.s. Canonie, you're actually managed to find another smiley that looks like he's eating flowers. Amazing.
I spent about three solid hours playing through all of the vocal rep I am accompanying for... not even really practicing any of them, just reading through. Then I worked for about an hour on my Ginastera sonata, didn't get much accomplished. Finally, accompanied for ballet class for an hour and a half.
So 5.5 hours at the piano today but none of my rep is much better for it... Just one of those days I guess!
Jason, of course we should! in each post to make it easy for others. The interest is very nice too. Eating flowers!? Bach Cmin fugue from WTCI 847, My Pathetic Rondo of Beethoven op13.
Today so far: Away from instrument memory exercise: Beethoven Landler in D (16 bars), no finger moving but used a pencil, had to look back to score once for a melodic detail. I improve each time I do this exercise. And it's helping my memory and theory in general. Also today I've worked on fugue again, ok back to it!
Apple, I am a new fan of that piece, listened to BruceD's recording twice then found a nice organist playing the original on Utube and listened many times. Yes I must leave a post for BruceD.
Beethoven op.14/1 first movement: one comment from my teacher this morning ("hear the first three LH chords as an upbeat, leading somewhere") changed my whole feel of the movement. Worked on incorporating her suggestions.
Mozart K.283 first movement: worked on getting it clean at 116. I can play other composers' 16th notes at faster speeds, but, as they say, Mozart really is harder. I feel like such a cliche.
Last practice: Bach fugue, more on Beethoven rondo, some sight reading (including a lovely Brahms sarabande that btb posted I think), memorising exercise away from piano (8 bars).
Which Bach fugue? Which Beethoven rondo (Pathetique?)?
In general, on this thread, we should name the pieces in full (not just e.g. "the Mozart").
-Jason
p.s. Canonie, you're actually managed to find another smiley that looks like he's eating flowers. Amazing.
Fiiiiiine...I was gonna make you guys dig through my past posts if you were really curious. Thanks for the flowers, Canonie - even though you ate them before giving them to me!
Today I only did about an hour because I hired a new technician who tunes entirely by ear and his tuning took 2 hours. Also, on his recommendation, I moved my piano from one side of the room to the other. Good thing it's on wheels!
I was working on solidifying the memory and polishing L'isle Joyeuse today. Didn't get to start Mozart 283 like I wanted because of lack of time.
Beethoven Op 26 4th mvt. Learning this more as an exercise in wrist rotation and finger gymnastics. Slow progress but is coming along. Schubert Impromptu in Gflat. *Sigh* the inner notes are still too loud and "notey", not the harmonious burble I want them to be. Still haven't got good fingering reliably worked out here and there. Briefly ran though accompaniemnts to the violin & piano pieces I am learning with Tubbie0075. Lesson tomorrow!
Getting the third movement of Mozart K.283 to MM=80.... Why is this piece feeling like a figure skating program, with easy, "expressive" material connecting the Axel jumps and triple Lutz jumps lurking out there?...
Chopin's 3rd Ballade. Quite a beautiful thing to play. Listening to it is a whole 'nother issue. I like Paderewski's version, and that's on a piano roll!
It sounds like you are preparing for a contest. Are you? Or is it just the structure of the movement that makes it seem like a skating program? Just curious...
--Andy
Oh. BTW. "Over The Rainbow," Grossnick transcription of Jarrett improvisation. That's all I had time for... (Still looking for some solutions to parts that rub me the wrong way.)
It sounds like you are preparing for a contest. Are you? Or is it just the structure of the movement that makes it seem like a skating program? Just curious...
Andy-
No, I'm not preparing for anything. It's just that I know there are certain notes, and certain leaps, that I get only 50% of the time, and as I'm approaching them... I can imagine how a figure skater feels.
I've read that this feeling of anticipation of an approaching difficult passage is counter-productive to its execution. And so this whole metaphor is actually possibly a hindrance.
Yes! Al-mahed and I talked about that when we referred to a section of Scott Joplin's "Swipesy" as a "tricky part!" We decided to call it something like, "that part that I'm going to play the heck out of in a minute!" But even then, it creates a little tension knot. So, instead,
Scales, Sight Reading some pieces I am thinking of learning; Bach dmin P&F from WTCI is rather tempting, the melody carried by 3rd note of triplet - very satisfying; also Bartok, Rachmaninoff.
Main practice: Beethoven op13 rondo - I am getting somewhere I suppose. Indulged myself with "chorale" section - delicious writing, as reward for lots of passage work. In 2 weeks perhaps the passages will become comfortable if I work daily on this. Bach Cmin fugue WTCI.
This is a little embarassing because I've noticed everyone practicing these intense advanced pieces... but hey everyone has to start somewhere right? Ive been working on 2 pieces from the Final Fantasy X Piano Collections (dont judge until you hear them, being from a video game doesnt stop them from being beautiful), Tidus' Theme and To Zanarkand. In the former it opens with these rapid arpeggios in the right hand that are going to take me a LONG time, but Ill get there eventually. The latter's climactic section has some unimaginably fast arpeggios in the left hand that I can do perfectly fine slowly, but I need to work them up to speed. Those two are my fun pieces, and for my teacher Im working on Prokofieff (is it a v at the end? Ive heard it both ways but my book says it with 2 fs) pieces for children, Opus 65. They dont look challenging but they present their own challenges. And they are all great fun or really beautiful!
Ravel Concerto 3rd movement Beethoven Waldstein 3rd movement Mozart Sonata in D Major K 311 1st movement Brahms Ballades Op. 10 Nos. 1 and 2
And to reward myself: Read through Alkan's Nocturne in B Major Op. 22 a few times. It's actually easy sightreading (but of course, like anything, not so easy to polish and play well).
This is a little embarassing because I've noticed everyone practicing these intense advanced pieces... but hey everyone has to start somewhere right? Ive been working on 2 pieces from the Final Fantasy X Piano Collections (dont judge until you hear them, being from a video game doesnt stop them from being beautiful), Tidus' Theme and To Zanarkand. In the former it opens with these rapid arpeggios in the right hand that are going to take me a LONG time, but Ill get there eventually. The latter's climactic section has some unimaginably fast arpeggios in the left hand that I can do perfectly fine slowly, but I need to work them up to speed. Those two are my fun pieces, and for my teacher Im working on Prokofieff (is it a v at the end? Ive heard it both ways but my book says it with 2 fs) pieces for children, Opus 65. They dont look challenging but they present their own challenges. And they are all great fun or really beautiful!
As the OP of this thread - I'm glad you could join us. You're right, everyone does start somewhere and I hope more members will chime in with less advanced pieces. I'm actually more interested in everyone's practise habits than what they're practising.
Today I read through Mozart K. 283 a few times, overcame my laziness and wrote down some reasonable (to me!) fingerings for the second page and shared it on PW. Then, on to some actual work!
Mussorgsky: Did exercise drills on some tricky bars in Promenade and Gnomus. Played through The Old Castle. Played through Tuileries and did some exercise drills on many of the bars. Played through Unhatched Chicks and Polish Oxcart. Mozart K457: Played through movements 1 and 2. Did exercise drills on various bars in movement 1 and 3. Worked on memorizing movement 2. Debussy L'isle Joyeuse: Did some exercise drills on the arpeggios section.
Today's session felt like hitting my head against a brick wall repeatedly. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.
Relative to the last few days, today was a good day.
Did the technical/warm-up stuff. Did the groups of Mozskowski, Moscheles, and Persichetti etudes I am working on, plus the Medtner skazka I am treating as an etude. Worked on Beethoven op. 14., no. 1, movement 3, and the whole of op. 14, no. 2 (since the person who is listed as doing it for the Beethoven fest hasn't been here for a while, I got worried a day or two ago and decided I should maybe try to get the first movement in some sort of shape, just in case; I was playing around with just the last two movements up until now).
Had the time and energy to also read through Alkan op. 39, no. 1, Bach A major and minor preludes and fugues from both books of the WTC, a Prokofiev Vision Fugitive and his op. 59 Paysage, and a Rachmaninoff Etude-Tableaux (the a minor "sea and seagulls" one) and his Polka de WR (I am amazed that the latter is sort of getting under my fingers to the point where I can actually have fun with it musically - it sounds like a trivial little encore piece, but it is ridiculously difficult once you get to know it).
Yesterday I had a particularly well-focused practice session for ~4 hours.
1. Warmed up with 25 min. of sight reading (well, reading for the second time) some Mozart arias for baritone. 2. 1 hr of technical exercises: From Brahms 51, I practiced #1 for a long time (3 against 4 rhythm still giving me problems). I isolated some of the measures or beats by playing the measure/beat and stopping on the 1st note of the next. This is a better way to hear if everything is lining up properly. Brahms #25 - sliding each finger off a black key to the next white key while trying to make them the same volume. Much better than yesterday when I first started this one. 1st two Pischna, with all the preparatory exercises. In all these exercises, I focused on keeping as relaxed as possible, and limiting my finger motion to use only those muscles that were necessary to use. 3. Fantaisie-Impromptu - Chopin (1 hr): this piece has been frustrating me because the opening section I can sometimes play flawlessly, but I often get stuck. I THINK that if I actively hear the notes in my head just before I play them that I get stuck much less often. This way I should play what I want to hear. It seemed to work, but I couldn't always focus, and sometimes found myself doubting that it could work while playing it. Will have to try this more today. -Also noticed that my arm tenses up on ms. 7-9, which definitely causes me to make more errors. - practiced isolated spots in ms. 13-24 and also practiced these measures playing only the thumb of the RH with the LH accompaniment so that I could work on phrasing of the melody and be more fluid with repositioning the hand. 4. Danzas Argentinas, Ginastera: my plan was just to refresh what I worked on the previous day, but I got carried away again listening to the music and experimenting with different pedaling/accents/phrasing/voicing. Mostly worked on 1st & 3rd movements on the transitions from one section to the next.
Plan for next session: work on the pieces I skipped today, plus aim to complete Danzas Argentinas so that I can perform it in my studio class on Monday. Summary: starting with the technical exercises (none of them were fast) and focusing on proper movement made me more aware of the quality of my movements on my repertoire. The bad thing about my practice session is that I didn't get to two of my other pieces, including one I've been avoiding because I'm afraid I can't do it. I love it when something I spent a lot of time on the previous day is much better the next day when I first come back to it.
Mainly: Beethoven Op13 rondo; work work working, short segments HS up to and beyond speed to train those fingers into submission. Slow passes through whole reveal the red light areas. Doubt if I'll be ready for E-cital... I've had a lot of work for the string instrument recently - that's my excuse. I'm trying! Some other pieces including shostakovich clockwork doll for a student - that is a mighty fun piece to play
Today working my way through Chopin's Polonaise in E flat minor (Op. 26 No. 2), as well as one of Bach's Little Preludes (BWV935) and some Czerny technial exercises.
Sibelius Sonatine no. 3. Trying to figure out the pedalling and phrasing. Love the piece more and more. Really interesting. Clementi Gradus ad Parnassum etude no 2
Mozart Sonata in D Major K. 311 first movement Beethoven Waldstein Brahms Ballades Op. 10 Nos. 1 and 2 Ravel Concerto 3rd movement
To reward myself: Beethoven Symphony No. 7 in A Major Op. 92 Second movement (arr. Liszt) Alkan Nocturne, Barcarolle from Op. 65, and Hamelin's Nokia Ringtone Waltz.
To reward myself [...] Hamelin's Nokia Ringtone Waltz.
My copy of Hamelin's etudes arrived in the post last week. Several listenings and I'm hooked. Great stuff! Will comment when I have had more time to study them, though in one of the etudes I'm hearing Griffes's Barcarolle in the background.
Oh yes, a small package of value will be arriving in your post later this week!
Hey Damon, how is it coming? I think mine is finally beginning to come together. I'm still a bit hackneyed on the 3rd page - trying to work through it with small hands, but page two is finally settling down and I'm finding the overall expression I like. Do you find that last few measures hard? I can't get them down both quickly and accurately yet. The whole piece is not quite up to the tempo I want but it's really sounding better. When I finish #3, I'll have Op 119 # 1, 2 and 3 ready. (I may not tackle the Rhapsody because just reading it hurts my hands.)
Also reworking on Mozart K310 - first 2 movements - also sounding better.
Today I did a lot of focused passage work, especially in accurately landing on huge jumps. I find myself wishing that I had about 5 eyes or at least a field of vision that spans the whole keyboard.
Hey Damon, how is it coming? I think mine is finally beginning to come together. I'm still a bit hackneyed on the 3rd page - trying to work through it with small hands, but page two is finally settling down and I'm finding the overall expression I like. Do you find that last few measures hard? I can't get them down both quickly and accurately yet. The whole piece is not quite up to the tempo I want but it's really sounding better. When I finish #3, I'll have Op 119 # 1, 2 and 3 ready. (I may not tackle the Rhapsody because just reading it hurts my hands.)
Also reworking on Mozart K310 - first 2 movements - also sounding better.
My new teacher is wonderful!
I'm fairly happy with it except for measures 30 through 34, which is the only part I practice anymore. Once I get that the way I like it, I'll just add the rest again. I wish I had the whole opus but I really only log a couple of hours a week for practice so my progress is pretty slow.
The last page is a little tricky because I'm pretty specific about what I want on measure 55 and the last arpeggio before the "finale" and it's hard to accent it that way, but I can play it how most others do. I bungle the second to the last chord a lot, so I'll work on that too.
By the last few, do you mean that ascending phrase with the repeated notes? I'm okay with that one now, but it was one of the first 'problems' I tackled.
I'm glad you like your new teacher. Your old one was making you sound a little depressed.
Yesterday, as I haven't had time yet today, I played this:
1. Ran through some scales and Hanons to warm up.
2. Tried to polish up "Ich ruf zu dir." (Thanks Apple!!)
3. Wanted to play through all of Chopin's Mazurkas, but only got through 16 of them. Hope to finish the rest today. Most of these I am sight-reading.
4. Grieg's Nocturne Op. 54 no. 4. Trying to perfect the polyrhythms.
5. Revisiting Granados's Andaluza (Spanish Dance op.5) Attempting to make it sound more Spanish-y, more like de Larrocha plays it.
6. And, biting off more than I can chew, slowly playing through bits of La Campanella.
7. Also, as a memorizing exercise, finally (successfully!!) memorizing the very short and simple Chopin's Prelude in A major. I was afraid I could no longer memorize a piece, but this has given me a new confidence.
I'm fairly happy with it except for measures 30 through 34,
If you mean hitting those notes accurately, what I've found is it's very important to deliberately figure out when and where to look. (I may be stating something you've already figured out.) Notice the LH at the end of measure 33 is playing E/A. I can nearly stretch to reach the next LH F in M. 34 so I don't have to look at the LH. Instead I can focus on aiming for the fm chord in the RH. The next place I look is the LH low F. I can find the RH f minor chord easily without looking because the top note of that chord is the same note as the bottom note of the preceding chord (i.e. C). I've also found it helps to do a little rubato as you work your way up from measure 31 - 34. The music swells and the rubato works -and gives me a little more time. [/quote]
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The last page is a little tricky because I'm pretty specific about what I want on measure 55
My teacher suggested I concentrate on mentally connecting the LH beats 2+3, 4+ 5 - without actually playing it that way. It makes the stretches seem easier.
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and the last arpeggio before the "finale" and it's hard to accent it that way, but I can play it how most others do.
It works best when I count the arpeggio as 2 beats per measure but I'm still struggling to get my speed up.
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By the last few, do you mean that ascending phrase with the repeated notes? I'm okay with that one now, but it was one of the first 'problems' I tackled.
Yes, those are a real struggle to hit accurately with the right dynamics. Any suggestions?
I'm fairly happy with it except for measures 30 through 34,
If you mean hitting those notes accurately, what I've found is it's very important to deliberately figure out when and where to look. (I may be stating something you've already figured out.) Notice the LH at the end of measure 33 is playing E/A. I can nearly stretch to reach the next LH F in M. 34 so I don't have to look at the LH. Instead I can focus on aiming for the fm chord in the RH. The next place I look is the LH low F. I can find the RH f minor chord easily without looking because the top note of that chord is the same note as the bottom note of the preceding chord (i.e. C). I've also found it helps to do a little rubato as you work your way up from measure 31 - 34. The music swells and the rubato works -and gives me a little more time.
What I'm really interested in accomplishing there is to truly hold that dotted eighth in the left hand and the only fingering where I can accomplish the sound I want (5-1-2-1-3-4) is tough for me to pull off. And the left hand jump in measure 34 is the biggest problem in the piece IMO. I always miss the low F!
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The last page is a little tricky because I'm pretty specific about what I want on measure 55
My teacher suggested I concentrate on mentally connecting the LH beats 2+3, 4+ 5 - without actually playing it that way. It makes the stretches seem easier.
Yes, I think Kreisler suggested that tactic also in a previous discussion. I like playing that measure with a crescendo and a little accelerando and regain the time on the first chord of the next measure.
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and the last arpeggio before the "finale" and it's hard to accent it that way, but I can play it how most others do.
It works best when I count the arpeggio as 2 beats per measure but I'm still struggling to get my speed up.
I'm trying to keep the 2 beat 'feel' through the arpeggio which means accenting the 2nd E going down and the 2nd F coming back up. Most just play it as flourish, which is also fine, just not what I want.
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By the last few, do you mean that ascending phrase with the repeated notes? I'm okay with that one now, but it was one of the first 'problems' I tackled.
Yes, those are a real struggle to hit accurately with the right dynamics. Any suggestions?
Yes and it's similar to the left hand solution in measure 55. Using 532 on the chord and your thumb on the single notes, play the first chord then move your whole hand in position to play the single note and second chord. (I started doing it as a dotted rhythm) That will get your hand ready for the little jump at the beginning of the next 2 measures. If your comfortable with a 10th, it's not even a jump. Increase your speed with the dotted rhythm until you reach your target speed then ease the rhythm out.
Mozart K.283 and Beethoven op.14/1 (whole sonatas)
I've only read through the Mozart, but I played the Beethoven quite awhile ago. It's very classical, and makes great use of a few short motifs. I remember that the third movement was trickiest, but not much more than that. Will you be sharing your performance with us when you're done? I remember reading that you have a Zoom Q3.
What I'm really interested in accomplishing there is to truly hold that dotted eighth in the left hand and the only fingering where I can accomplish the sound I want (5-1-2-1-3-4) is tough for me to pull off.
That's exactly the fingering I'm using and I seem to be pulling it off...lots of wrist motion there; pivot on the dotted 8th and keep your fingers close to the keys.
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And the left hand jump in measure 34 is the biggest problem in the piece IMO. I always miss the low F!
What seems to work is this: take look at the 3rd beat in the RH of M. 34 - the bottom note of that chord is the same as the top note in the next chord. If you use this as your landmark, you should be able to change RH chords without looking. This leaves you free to quickly take a look to place your LH on the low F.
I actually have 3 places marked where I need to look, (I've got them marked with little eyeballs!). I've had to practice exactly when to turn my head to look:
Measure 33 LH low Ab Measure 34 RH first fm chord Measure 34 LH 4th beat low f. The rest I can find by their adjacent chords.
Previously, someone, (Kreisler?) suggested practicing the jumps backwards. Someone else suggested simplifying the jumps by practicing with only two notes such as A to low F. Or move your hand before the beat is done and stop above your target silently, over and over. My new teacher keeps telling me to stay closer to the keys.
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(finale) Yes and it's similar to the left hand solution in measure 55. Using 532 on the chord and your thumb on the single notes, play the first chord then move your whole hand in position to play the single note and second chord. (I started doing it as a dotted rhythm) That will get your hand ready for the little jump at the beginning of the next 2 measures.
I'll give it a try. I'm using that exact fingering but it's a bit of a stretch for me and the chords get sloppy.
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If your comfortable with a 10th,
On a good day I can painfully reach a 9th.
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it's not even a jump. Increase your speed with the dotted rhythm until you reach your target speed then ease the rhythm out.
I like your dotted rhythm idea. I'll give it a try.
I just realized that the pedal indications are Chopin's; that means I'll follow them, which occasionally yields some interesting effects (m.10, m.27-28) that I would have done differently otherwise.
After all the hubbub, I'm leaning towards not including C#1 in the octave (see parallel never-ending thread). I can get my thunder-like effect with a sforzando on the single C#.
I also noticed the sforzando towards the end, m.94. That's sort of a shock there; you can do something interesting with that...
I just realized that the pedal indications are Chopin's; that means I'll follow them, which occasionally yields some interesting effects (m.10, m.27-28) that I would have done differently otherwise.
But Chopin's piano had much shorter sustain than the modern instrument. It might be more prudent to listen to how it might have sounded to him, then aim for a similar sound.
I just realized that the pedal indications are Chopin's; that means I'll follow them, which occasionally yields some interesting effects (m.10, m.27-28) that I would have done differently otherwise.
But Chopin's piano had much shorter sustain than the modern instrument. It might be more prudent to listen to how it might have sounded to him, then aim for a similar sound.
That's right-- I forgot about that. Good point. Maybe I'll rethink those interesting measures (for which he indicates the pedal depressed the whole time). All fun experimentation...
Bach Inv13 - it flows now, my bizarre fingering is working Beethoven rondo from op13 lots of dividing and conquering. Mendelssohn 'venetian boat' SWW, just testing the water. Grieg - Trolling with the Wedding Day, the hands and fingers have a party, but to listen to ?! A good practice today.
I am jealous too of the bit by bit fun between gooddog and damon.
And the left hand jump in measure 34 is the biggest problem in the piece IMO. I always miss the low F!
What seems to work is this: take look at the 3rd beat in the RH of M. 34 - the bottom note of that chord is the same as the top note in the next chord. If you use this as your landmark, you should be able to change RH chords without looking. This leaves you free to quickly take a look to place your LH on the low F.
I actually have 3 places marked where I need to look, (I've got them marked with little eyeballs!). I've had to practice exactly when to turn my head to look:
Measure 33 LH low Ab Measure 34 RH first fm chord Measure 34 LH 4th beat low f. The rest I can find by their adjacent chords.
Good idea, I'm practicing measure 34 (right hand) until I can play it perfect without looking. I don't seem to have a problem with the Ab in measure 33 but that might just be luck.
Today I made a list of pieces that I'd started working on but for different reasons were never finished. I was surprised there was more than a couple and that most were at the 90% done stage.
So I've made a conscious decision to complete each piece before even playing around with anything else. So today's practice was Joe Hisaishi's Summer (makes me smile) and Ludovico Einaudi's Le Onde (makes me seasick...)
Summer has a nice bouncy left hand that sometimes plays solo and sometimes with right hand accompaniment at a couple of points. I'm surpised to find that I can play the left hand better when accompanied by the right hand rather than on its own. Guess its a coordination thing .
I came home exhausted and made the pleasant discovery that playing scales is relaxing. I'm not sure I have the energy to practice my pieces but since I'm trying to refine my technique and my brain is fried, I think I'll just hypnotize myself with scales.
it's Saturday... I've done enough cleaning. I've found my Beethoven Sonatas and am working on the Opus 2, no. 3 (the 2nd part is what I am working on today).
In an effort to be more efficient with my practise time, I typed up the trickiest passages in all my pieces, cut them up and but them in a box. I worked on about 10 of them in 1 hour. I'd draw one, then say a silent "Noooooooo, not that one!" to myself. My head hurts now. Maybe there's such a thing as being too focused.
Beethoven OP 26/4, made some progress. Bach 2part Invention in F. no progress. Schubert Impromptu in Gflat. no progress. B flat melodic minor scale. No progress. ABout 90 minutes all up. Not a good day. Actually my mind wasnt in the music, having had bad medical news about my son. Better not to have tried to play. Sudokus might have been better. See how we go tomorrow.
Beethoven OP 26/4, made some progress. Bach 2part Invention in F. no progress. Schubert Impromptu in Gflat. no progress. B flat melodic minor scale. No progress. ABout 90 minutes all up. Not a good day. Actually my mind wasnt in the music, having had bad medical news about my son. Better not to have tried to play. Sudokus might have been better. See how we go tomorrow.
Sorry to hear about your son, but I'm wondering what work exactly is Op. 26 no. 4?
I'm working on a piece written by a college acquaintance when he was six. It's actually beautiful, daring, harmonically striking, and totally worth my time. I can't believe it.
Coming off a feeling-alienated-from-piano period that lasted a few days. (I assume other folks have these cycles too.)
oddly, i had the Schubert Fantasy out yesterday. I have a recording that I played along with (to learn it) I played it 5 years ago at a party with another forumite; me the secundo. it is gorgeous.
i played thru Dir Hirten in der Kruppe.. something like that - Lizst's transcription of In Dulce Jubilo.
i practiced the organ yesterday. hymns.. working out the bass line.
In an effort to be more efficient with my practise time, I typed up the trickiest passages in all my pieces, cut them up and but them in a box. I worked on about 10 of them in 1 hour. I'd draw one, then say a silent "Noooooooo, not that one!" to myself. My head hurts now. Maybe there's such a thing as being too focused.
that is an interesting idea.. i suppose worth the time it took to copypasta
oddly, i had the Schubert Fantasy out yesterday. I have a recording that I played along with (to learn it) I played it 5 years ago at a party with another forumite; me the secundo. it is gorgeous.
oddly, i had the Schubert Fantasy out yesterday. I have a recording that I played along with (to learn it) I played it 5 years ago at a party with another forumite; me the secundo. it is gorgeous.
DO WANT.
Can I hear it?
I don't know. Someone filmed us playing but I didn't save the video.. (dummyhead).
I do have pic.. and I might be able to ask the filmer. It was a great event.. a huge party and Kathy and I were 'political enemies'. We decided to learn this duet to surprise everyone, all who were a little uneasy about us being at the same party since we had staged a huge, bitter fight to,... to set the stage for the surprise.
We had a great time, practing 800 miles apart with Elena (EHPianist) of Duo Scarbo's recording. She was at the party too. We did pretty good tho I admit Kathy (primo) was by far the better pianist. I bought Elena's CD - that's how I practiced (bass muted). Elena has downloadable hifi clips on her website.
Bach - WTC II Prelude & Fugue F# minor I didn't actually practise the Bach. I have this little routine where I play a P&F every day, going through the 48 one at a time. Next day, next P&F. Some I know very well, others I feel I'm more or less sightreading. But I enjoy it.
In an effort to be more efficient with my practise time, I typed up the trickiest passages in all my pieces, cut them up and but them in a box. I worked on about 10 of them in 1 hour. I'd draw one, then say a silent "Noooooooo, not that one!" to myself. My head hurts now. Maybe there's such a thing as being too focused.
currawong, how wonderful that you can play/read through all 48! My dream is to play them all. I'm at 9 and counting.
That's about how many I've learnt properly, I think. But reading the others slowly and steadily is still very rewarding!
It is rewarding indeed. I used to do what you are doing. Then I went through them at the rate of one pair a week, playing through it daily. Now I have switched to doing a "key of the month" thing, and read through the major and minor from both books in that month's key, a little haphazardly but usually at least one of the four pairs each day, for a month. I feel I'm getting a better grasp of them that way, and some are starting to seem internalized a bit.
I also am reading through the fascinating set of 24 P&Fs by Shchedrin at the rate of one major and minor per month, although they are more on the back burner, so some only get read through once during the month, but others that I especially like get played through much more often. But it's a great way to methodically work through big sets that go through the keys, rather than just dipping in randomly.
In an effort to be more efficient with my practise time, I typed up the trickiest passages in all my pieces, cut them up and but them in a box. I worked on about 10 of them in 1 hour. I'd draw one, then say a silent "Noooooooo, not that one!" to myself. My head hurts now. Maybe there's such a thing as being too focused.
FI I hope you realise that teachers drool over students with this sort of motivation, creativity and self direction! HOpe you recovered from sore head.
Plus twenty minutes finger exercises for each hand. My biggest barrier at the moment is FEEBLE hands, so lots of work in that department.
Aaaaaaaaand attempted to sight-read three or four Bach chorales. One of these days I'll get past glacial tempo and climb to the heady heights of andante... :P
In an effort to be more efficient with my practise time, I typed up the trickiest passages in all my pieces, cut them up and but them in a box. I worked on about 10 of them in 1 hour. I'd draw one, then say a silent "Noooooooo, not that one!" to myself. My head hurts now. Maybe there's such a thing as being too focused.
FI I hope you realise that teachers drool over students with this sort of motivation, creativity and self direction! HOpe you recovered from sore head.
Thanks, Canonie! I'm actually trying to be lazy and time-efficient so that I can improve while not putting in too many hours.
Excellent choice! I would, one day, love to add a few of the Soler sonatas to a programme. I wonder how familiar other members are with these works...Anyone? Bueller?
I'm looking for focus in my learning, and have decided to make a study of minuets. Today I read the BWV Anh 116 minuet. My conclusion is that it's in G Major. I worked on the first 8 measures.
I'm picking these things up a little faster now. The BWV Anh 114 Minuet in G took me 6 months to get to the point where it sounded rough.
My new teacher is guiding me to refine my technique so I'm doing lots of very slow practice of the first 2 pages of Mozart K310 and all of Brahms 119 #3. Scales, arpeggios too. I'm determined to really develop my playing but it's hard work and requires much concentration and patience - which I don't always have!
Finally got to practise today. Worked through the Liszt Sonata, realizing that the technical aspect is the easiest bit, the rest is the hardest piece I've ever attempted. I'm not going to try and perform this until next year.
Spent some time cleaning up the 4rth scherzo, and Chopin's C minor nocturne. Also running through the 1st Ballade, though I need to spend more time on focused practice, rather than just trying to keep my technique in shape.
Not much. I warmed up the Fantaisie-Impromptu for about 1/2 hour for my lesson today, and then got frustrated because I don't feel like I'm making any progress - I just keep making the same mistakes despite the countless hours I've put in practicing it. And my practicing is usually focused, with running over trouble spots in a variety of methods until I can play them multiple times without errors. My teacher said it sounded good at a slow tempo, which I hate to accept because I want to play it up to tempo. Plus I've only got three weeks until juries.
After the lesson I banged out some accompanying rep I need to play tomorrow and quit in frustration. When is my playing ever going to improve?
Schumann: Papillons op2 Mozart: Piano Concerto 25 (1st movement) Mozart: Piano Sonata no. 8 in D K311 Chopin: Nocturne no. 20 in C# Minor (for old times sake)
Grieg a minor Concerto - worked on polishing the beginning of the first movement and whittling away at the cadenza, also spending a little time assessing the other two movements for study in the near future.
Schubert G-flat Impromptu and Brahms g minor Rhapsody - both old rep favorites that need to be maintained for a solo recital later.
Rachmaninoff Moment Musicaux No. 4 - practiced very slowly in tiny sections, focusing mainly on the middle part. A brand-new addition to the practice schedule.
Rachmaninoff 10 Preludes, op. 23 - Worked on analyzing away from the piano.
Also practiced scales, sightreading, Czerny, church music, and some concerto/horn accompaniments to round out the day.
I practiced too much today and finally reached the point of diminishing returns. I really want to play more but my arms are tired and my hands are beginning to make mistakes from fatigue. 4 hours or was it 5?
Brahms 119 #3 coming together, finally.
Mozart K310 - changing my technique
and 2 weeks ago I decided to learn Chopin Nocturne Opus 72 No. as a birthday present for my Mom. It's almost done.
Sweating my way thru an Advent Vespers service. I plan tonight to cut and paste the liturgy and music in a moron-proof format. No flipping back and forth for ME, esp. since I am not familiar with the order of the service. The regular organist can't play, so I'm pressed into service. Then, we have regular choir reh. later but I can play that piano stuff now in my sleep.
My @#$%^&* cushion still hasn't arrived. I am NOT happy.
I also worked part of the day on a simple arrangement of that Polish carol, "Lulajze Jezuniu", which Chopin worked into his Scherzo in B Minor. Never knew that. I want to use it as my prelude, by the hubster says it sounds too much like "Santa Lucia" and might not be well received. Tough - I'm playing it.
Draggging out this thread from page 6, 'cause I think it's fun.
Finger infection basically gone; starting to play again.
Today I discovered solo piano transcriptions of *all* of Beethoven's string quartets on imslp. They're pretty playable. Made my way through half of the opening maelstrom of the Grosse Fugue. How great would it be to be able to sit down and play a decent version of that?
first serious practice session in a couple of weeks due to a heavy jazz performance schedule......mostly scales and arps.... discovered that I must've been tightening and twisting my left arm a little bit on the bandstand the past couple o'days 'cause it was the first thing I noticed when I sat down to play today.....Chopin opus 10 #1 way under tempo just for the sheer sound of it....Mozart's Smanie implacabili from Cosi...... way under tempo also.....I'll wait a day or two before I make any attempts at a piano or pianissimo.
Last run through before my weekend recitals...WTC...Bk I tomorrow and Bk II on Sunday...postponed from last month due to scheduling conflicts. Wish me luck!
Last run through before my weekend recitals...WTC...Bk I tomorrow and Bk II on Sunday...postponed from last month due to scheduling conflicts. Wish me luck!
Good luck!!!
Let us know how it goes... I'm sure it'll be great...
Last run through before my weekend recitals...WTC...Bk I tomorrow and Bk II on Sunday...postponed from last month due to scheduling conflicts. Wish me luck!
That ought to be fun! Good luck and hope it goes well!
Last run through before my weekend recitals...WTC...Bk I tomorrow and Bk II on Sunday...postponed from last month due to scheduling conflicts. Wish me luck!
Today I practiced my Hanon and Scales Chords Arpeggios. I then spent an hour on a Bach Prelude (B flat Major, well tempered clavier book 1 piece number 21) and another hour on a Mozart Sonata. Following that I spent a couple of hours learning, memorizing and polishing the third Gnossiene(not sure I spelled it right) by Erik Satie. I also played some other pieces for enjoyment.
This was yesterday rather than today, although today I play to do more of the same
Played Hanon up to excersise 10 Worked through several pages of tankard and harrison pianoforte technique Did some left hand excercises Had an hour of piano lesson Started trying to get to grips with chords Started learning bach prelude 6, WTC II Started chopin prelude no 20 Played a few bach inventions for fun
Scarlatti sonatas.. and working on revisiting those I recorded on disk to put on you tube..also boning up on Chopin Etude no. 9, op. 25 My students put me through the paces with some of their requests.
Beethoven Opus 26 2nd mvt - almost got this memorized, and the descending runs are getting better. Teacher was very happy with progress last at last Thursday's lesson. ALkan - started the Canon in earnest. Getting to grips with the unexpected notes here n there. It sure grows on one! Bartok - Clanging sounds from Mikrokosmos Bk IV - ugly piece, only learning it so that I can say I know some Bartok. Beethoven Op 14 No 2 4th mvt, Mozart Viennese sonatina II 1st mvt, Schumann Curiouse Geschicte - exam pieces for next year. Pathetique second mvt - memorized at last! Scales for the exam *ugh* what drongo invented melodic minors and caused generations of piano students so much grief?
I'm on winter break and I practiced about 4 hours today. Brahms Op 119 #3 is getting a tiny bit better every day. It's actually beginning to sound like music and I think I may be able to really play it in a few more months! Then the Rhapsody looms.
Mozart 280 - played deliberately slowly for even tone and relaxed hands/arms/shoulders - is beginning to work. My pinkies are flying less. Wrists are down. Fingers closer to the keys. Brain hurts.
Czerny - same as the Mozart.
Reviewed a bunch of things for fun: Chopin 72/1, Schumann Aufschwung, Bach WTC2 G# minor, Rachmaninoff 32/12.
Hmmm. Not much actually. Yesterday I played the Schubert F minor fantasy with my duet partner, and today I played my daily prelude & fugue (it was C#minor, book II), plus a couple of random Schubert sonatas. Busy doing housey stuff actually, preparing for the ravenous hordes who will descend on us this week.
Hmm. Yesterday I learned the first mvt of Beethoven 7 violin. I LOVE IT!!!!!!! Finally my temper will pay off haha. And I started the second movement..
I'm substituting as organist for our church this coming Sunday - so it looks like I'll be practicing hymns, service music and the prelude and postlude over the next few days. I only play on the manuals - so the trick is to make the organ sound like I'm also using the pedals.
I'm substituting as organist for our church this coming Sunday - so it looks like I'll be practicing hymns, service music and the prelude and postlude over the next few days. I only play on the manuals - so the trick is to make the organ sound like I'm also using the pedals.
That's great! That's one of my jobs, it's fun and a great sight reading exercise - try reading everything, it's worth it!
I'm substituting as organist for our church this coming Sunday - so it looks like I'll be practicing hymns, service music and the prelude and postlude over the next few days. I only play on the manuals - so the trick is to make the organ sound like I'm also using the pedals.
Nice job....to play in the church......I played every sunday one or more services from 1967-1988......
Last night, Stravinsky Concerto for Piano and Winds. It'll be my premiere in April, incredibly enough, so I'm going through the piece with a fine-toothed comb.
I'm substituting as organist for our church this coming Sunday - so it looks like I'll be practicing hymns, service music and the prelude and postlude over the next few days. I only play on the manuals - so the trick is to make the organ sound like I'm also using the pedals.
Nice job....to play in the church......I played every sunday one or more services from 1967-1988......
Good luck,....enjoy it
Best regards, Johan B
Johan B -
Wow - that is quite an accomplishment !!! I have great respect for church organists - and regret that I never mastered the instrument myself !!
If the organ has two manuals or more, you play the right hand on one manual using 8' + 4' & higher stops, and play the left hand on another manual using only 16' & 8' stops. This works effectively for hymns chants responses etc. And there are albums of manual-only Bach works for preludes and postludes: I hope your local music store has some of them. (I had some organ lessons years ago and played a 4-manual&pedals organ when at university college)
if the organ is electric(and many are) find the bass coupler in the upper right. select a 16 and 8 foot pedal stop.. perhaps a diapason or principal. The coupler will add a bass note to your line.
Become familiar with the volume pedals. If you don't have enough ooomph you can press the crescendo pedal until you have enough 'body.
I'm substituting as organist for our church this coming Sunday - so it looks like I'll be practicing hymns, service music and the prelude and postlude over the next few days. I only play on the manuals - so the trick is to make the organ sound like I'm also using the pedals.
Nice job....to play in the church......I played every sunday one or more services from 1967-1988......
Good luck,....enjoy it
Best regards, Johan B
Johan B -
Wow - that is quite an accomplishment !!! I have great respect for church organists - and regret that I never mastered the instrument myself !!
Best -
My first services I played at the age of 14. I left church in general in 1988, now organs have the bad habit to live only in churches.... so by leaving church I left the organ too.... I bet when I still was a regular churchvisitor, I was still organist.
My first services I played at the age of 14. I left church in general in 1988, now organs have the bad habit to live only in churches.... so by leaving church I left the organ too.... I bet when I still was a regular churchvisitor, I was still organist.
Merry X-mas, Johan B
Johan B -
A few organs still can be found in university settings. Perhaps you can gain access to one and start playing again !! After 22 years of sitting on an organ bench you probably have a large repertoire !!
If the organ has two manuals or more, you play the right hand on one manual using 8' + 4' & higher stops, and play the left hand on another manual using only 16' & 8' stops. This works effectively for hymns chants responses etc. And there are albums of manual-only Bach works for preludes and postludes: I hope your local music store has some of them. (I had some organ lessons years ago and played a 4-manual&pedals organ when at university college)
Hope that helps. Let us know how you fared!
Toastburn -
Thanks for the tips !! I took a few organ lessons in college, but never mastered the pedals - and what pedal technique I did have has been lost after 40+ years. I own a few "manual-only" collections, however, and I have great fun with them !! The practicing for Sunday's service has gone well thus far -
if the organ is electric(and many are) find the bass coupler in the upper right. select a 16 and 8 foot pedal stop.. perhaps a diapason or principal. The coupler will add a bass note to your line.
Become familiar with the volume pedals. If you don't have enough ooomph you can press the crescendo pedal until you have enough 'body.
Today i began Prokofiev's 2nd sonata! Let's see how far i get before it gets too difficult.
The development section of the first movement is harder to read through than the rest of that movement (less obviously melodic), but don't give up hope-- it's not really harder.
I shall hang on for as long as possible! So far it's going okay but i've only got through the first page as of yet. I lost interest in playing after a while but i'll go back to it tomorrow.
If the organ has two manuals or more, you play the right hand on one manual using 8' + 4' & higher stops, and play the left hand on another manual using only 16' & 8' stops. This works effectively for hymns chants responses etc. And there are albums of manual-only Bach works for preludes and postludes: I hope your local music store has some of them. (I had some organ lessons years ago and played a 4-manual&pedals organ when at university college)
Hope that helps. Let us know how you fared!
I fared quite well - all things considered. For the prelude I played a traditional setting of "Lo how a Rose ere Blooming" followed immediately by the beautiful Brahms setting of the same tune (Opus 122 No. 8 - "Es ist ein Rose ensprungen"). The postlude consisted of a section of a Bach Partita. The hymns and service music went just fine. Played everything on the manuals only.
Now with the new year I hope to finish up and record (on the piano) the Beethoven Sonata Opus 7, Schumann's first and second Novelletten, three etudes from Chopin's Opus 25, and the Scriabin Etude Opus 8 No. 12. Oughta keep me out of trouble for awhile !!
Working hard for my recital on wednesday!! Reviving and polishing the Waldstein, and fixing up Chopin's B flat minor nocturne, raindrop prelude, fourth scherzo, as well as the Chopin-Godowsky etude for left hand after op.10 no.6. So far I'm on track...
After that, I'm looking forward to going through La Vega and the Liszt sonata!
If the organ has two manuals or more, you play the right hand on one manual using 8' + 4' & higher stops, and play the left hand on another manual using only 16' & 8' stops. This works effectively for hymns chants responses etc. And there are albums of manual-only Bach works for preludes and postludes: I hope your local music store has some of them. (I had some organ lessons years ago and played a 4-manual&pedals organ when at university college)
Hope that helps. Let us know how you fared!
I fared quite well - all things considered. For the prelude I played a traditional setting of "Lo how a Rose ere Blooming" followed immediately by the beautiful Brahms setting of the same tune (Opus 122 No. 8 - "Es ist ein Rose ensprungen"). The postlude consisted of a section of a Bach Partita. The hymns and service music went just fine. Played everything on the manuals only.
Now with the new year I hope to finish up and record (on the piano) the Beethoven Sonata Opus 7, Schumann's first and second Novelletten, three etudes from Chopin's Opus 25, and the Scriabin Etude Opus 8 No. 12. Oughta keep me out of trouble for awhile !!
Good to hear the service went well... I love the Brahms Op 122, especially also the one you played.
I'm tempted to go back the the organ next year as well as learning more piano....so much music, so little time!
Good luck with your programme of learning for 2011 !
If the organ has two manuals or more, you play the right hand on one manual using 8' + 4' & higher stops, and play the left hand on another manual using only 16' & 8' stops. This works effectively for hymns chants responses etc. And there are albums of manual-only Bach works for preludes and postludes: I hope your local music store has some of them. (I had some organ lessons years ago and played a 4-manual&pedals organ when at university college)
Hope that helps. Let us know how you fared!
I fared quite well - all things considered. For the prelude I played a traditional setting of "Lo how a Rose ere Blooming" followed immediately by the beautiful Brahms setting of the same tune (Opus 122 No. 8 - "Es ist ein Rose ensprungen"). The postlude consisted of a section of a Bach Partita. The hymns and service music went just fine. Played everything on the manuals only.
Now with the new year I hope to finish up and record (on the piano) the Beethoven Sonata Opus 7, Schumann's first and second Novelletten, three etudes from Chopin's Opus 25, and the Scriabin Etude Opus 8 No. 12. Oughta keep me out of trouble for awhile !!
Good to hear the service went well... I love the Brahms Op 122, especially also the one you played.
I'm tempted to go back the the organ next year as well as learning more piano....so much music, so little time!
Good luck with your programme of learning for 2011 !
"So much music, so little time." Gee - you got that right !!!
Thanks for the follow-up note !!
It appears you are working on some really wonderful pieces yourself. All fun to learn and play. Good luck !!
Well I have to practice Bach c#- book I, Beethoven op. 90, Rach 39/1, Rach second sonata, Vladiguerov toccata, Beethoven 7 violin sonata.. but all I keep thinking about is Chopin second sonata!!!!!!!! I cannot understand why that piece has been haunting me for 6 months!!!!
Yes Chopin's 2nd sonata is wonderful!! One of my all time favourites also. I've started learning it so many times but haven't quite got past the third page.
After 4 days of no playing at all, being in the country seeing family, today's practise was: warmup of 5-finger exercises, and c# harmonic minor scale in contrary motion *ugh* Alkan :-) the Canon Beethoven Op 26 4th mvmt Allegro - memorized at last! still lots of polishing up though required Beethoven Pathetique 2nd mvt to relax "" "" 3rd mvt last page, still trying to get the notes right Bach 2-part Invention in F - half memorised
Not much for a practise after 4 days, but had to do gardening and housework also in between times, plus watch the cricket in the morning (depressing!).
Not much for a practise after 4 days, but had to do gardening and housework also in between times, plus watch the cricket in the morning (depressing!).
At least the cricket didn't take up much of your time!
.....slowly bringing Chopin's op 10 #1 back up to speed after laying off of it for a while...looked at # 6 in e-flat minor and wondered why the heck I never spent that much quality time with it before.......still not happy with the Bach sinfonia in E-flat, though there are a couple of nice moments (if I do say so myself).....Schubert Wanderer-Fantasie is being taken out of storage....maybe for a future recital......You don't know what love is in 4 or 5 different keys........
Well, today I played through Schubert Impromptu in G flat and Mendelssohn Rondo Capriccioso. Then I practiced Grieg concerto a bit and figured out the fingering for the last movement of Bach French suite #5. Then I sight read a few hymns. Not much practice today because I'm quite sick
hmm it's now the 5th of January and the previous post was 30th December. so NOBODY has done any practise for 6 days ( including me) ???
Today I had a good session... scales and arpeggios to warm up , then Beethoven OP 14 No 3, Andante, and OP 26 2nd mvt; Bach Prelude in D BWV 925; Schubert Impromptu in Gb; and Brahms Intermezzo in Gm. Sundry little pieces for comic relief. And the Adagio Cantabile of the Pathetique.
Well I think Christmas is finally over, broke out the Hannon 60 and started tinkering with it. had no problem getting up up to the 108bpm after a rough run through. went through 8 scales and arpeg. real quick just to check that my fingers still know where the keys are. a bit of sight reading, and improvising. every new season the first 2 weeks are always about the same. Nothing really to focus on other than keeping the fingers moving. of course this was all just my morning practice.
Yep, I hit a wall like everyone else and pretty much didn't even think about piano for 3 weeks or so (which is a good thing!). Now I'm back at it, trying to jumpstart my brain--it always takes me a good couple of days to get back into the focused practice mode--and sweating over a new recital program: a bunch of Chopin-Godowsky (nothing like Etude 4, "Ignis Fatuus," to get your mind going!), the 3rd Chopin Sonata, Liszt's Norma, some contemporary pieces...gradually, I am becoming less lazy and entering the panic phase, despite having 5-6 months left!
hmm it's now the 5th of January and the previous post was 30th December. so NOBODY has done any practise for 6 days ( including me) ???
Funny, today was the only day since the 30th I haven't done any practice at all, which is a fairly rare thing for me.
Yesterday I did my usual Hanon, Dohnanyi, and an exercise on seventh arpeggios I came up with myself (which is mostly about rotating through them using rhythms). Then a bunch of etudes by Moscheles, Michalowski, Moszkowski, Chopin, Dohnanyi, and Persichetti. And ended up with WTC I, C maj and min, Beethoven op. 10, no.1 (I kept thinking about how much easier it would be to play on a fortepiano), and a couple of Chopin nocturnes.
some scales and arpeggios and exercises. Then tackled the Little Prelude in D BWV 925 seriously. Ditched all my previous haphazard fingering, found the pencil and worked out a proper fingering, wrote it in and now practising it s.l.o.w.l.y ! Two hours worth was quite enough. Hopefully the 24-hour retention effect will work overnight and tomorrow some of it will have stuck. Finished up with Brahms Rhapsody in Gm Op 29 #2, paying attention to the dynamics more and the 3-against-2 bits.
Very busy day today, out with friends... friends are good, but my piano is better company.
Came home at 4pm. Practiced (or at least I tried to) the Tchaikovsky I am practicing.... not happy Jan! He wasn't going to let me anywhere near him this afternoon.
Strangely enough, I put it down and picked the Beethoven I'm practicing and had a good hour working on page 2.
I haven't been able to practice for 3 days because my Mom broke her hip and I've been with her in the hospital. I sat down to play for about 5 minutes yesterday and was horrified at how bad I sounded. I find when I'm away from the piano, it opens my ears so I can hear myself better. All I'm hearing is the right notes played terribly unevenly. Aaaaakkkk.
Just got back last night from vacation. Haven't touched the piano since I played my jury on the 21st of December. Never discussed new rep with my teacher before break. Haven't a clue what to practice today other than scales, arpeggios, some Hanon and maybe some Czerny.
Just had my first piano lesson after two or three weeks off for Christmas/New Years break yesterday. Today I worked on Bach Invention No. 4 in d minor.
After getting home from school, carrying the most heavy backpack ever (IB does that to you), I went over to my piano and practiced from about 5 to 8pm.
Technique took over an hour because I've neglected it.. The C# minor formula pattern almost drove me insane!..to the point that whenever I played a wrong note, I'd automatically slap myself in the thigh out of frustration. XD Also working hard to fix wrong fingerings that I've had for years.
Then I took out Bach's 2nd Partita (Sinfonia) and tried my best to work on whatever my teacher had assigned.
Grave section: - Rhythm (metronome) - Bringing out inner voices. This is a real pain, but I think I'm getting it - Using less pedal, mostly just to connect repeated notes and for rolled chords
Andante section: - Not speeding up on the 32nd notes. I apparently lose control of my fingers whenever I play them, and never noticed. - Not playing it like a romantic piece (My former teacher suggested I use rubato in the cadenza before the Allegro. I guess that was a mistake, since my teacher was bewildered when I changed tempo. It took me forever to play it precisely as written, and had to refer to a Glenn Gould recording. I still don't know if I have it right...)
Allegro section: - Same thing with the 32nd notes... - Bring out the subject (I would do this by making the accompanying hand softer or the subject hand louder, but apparently this is wrong?!)
Ok... today I am going to recommence practice after about a month's break. I've been playing most days, and performing for family, but not actually working. So today is the start and I'm posting here so that I can come back and report some serious practice later.
I've got the log book out, the pencil ready and am going to start with SCALES! instead of playing through memorised rep in self-indulgent manner, then having a pot of tea and finding something else to do.
-Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 12: Tricky and tiring, but I can manage it and am making great progress
-Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 10: Ridiculously difficult, plan on dropping it, but I will take it to a lesson and hope my teacher can show me something I'm missing...
-Ravel La Valse: Learning faster than I thought, although I haven't taken enough time to MEMORIZE up to where I am so far, so I don't know if I should spend time in depth memorizing or if I should get the piece under my fingers and then focus on memorizing. I will ask my teacher (unless anyone here wants to offer a suggestion)
-Ravel Concero in G: This one's in good shape, so I need to just keep improving the best I can and make arrangements to record it for an upcoming competition
@ OSK: I would say memorize up to where you are. At least for me, I find that memorizing while learning results in a better quality of learning at the end.
Mozart K330 mvt. 1+2, Bach French Suite #5 in G , Allemande(just starting), Vidal basses, Czerny op299(drudgery) trying to build up to starting Op.10#8, and Mazurka op67#2
Chopin Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2 Chopin Nocturne in C#m Chopin Waltz in a Chopin Mazurka Op. 17 No. 4 Chopin Polonaise in g Liszt Consolation No. 3 3rd movement octave cadenza from Tchaikovsky's 1st Concerto
warmed up with scales& arpeggios, started reading another Moszkowski Etude (F Major), working on broken chords in the development section of Beethoven 14/1 . . . I'm learning to use my wrist (circular motion) to facilitate playing these. I've never had a teacher help me with this before now. I'm also polishing up the Bach French Suite in b minor but today I focused on the Gigue. And the Debussy doctor gradus ad parnassum) is coming along very well. Love the variety!
I'm learning to use my wrist (circular motion) to facilitate playing these. I've never had a teacher help me with this before now.
I'm curious about this because my teacher is asking for something similar but the circles are less in the wrist than full arm + wrist relaxation. The circles are very small and more of a setting-of-each-finger-in-place-with-weight. He doesn't want me lifting my wrist much at all so the circles are coming more from my entire arm than just the wrist. (That is why I'm practicing so slowly.)
@ OSK: I would say memorize up to where you are. At least for me, I find that memorizing while learning results in a better quality of learning at the end.
Okay! Maybe I can play part of it for him during one of my lessons.
I also looked at the Alkan Hands Reunited Grande Etude a little bit just for laughs. I think playing it (or even just parts of it) slowly actually makes a VERY good warm-up.
I'm learning to use my wrist (circular motion) to facilitate playing these. I've never had a teacher help me with this before now.
I'm curious about this because my teacher is asking for something similar but the circles are less in the wrist than full arm + wrist relaxation. The circles are very small and more of a setting-of-each-finger-in-place-with-weight. He doesn't want me lifting my wrist much at all so the circles are coming more from my entire arm than just the wrist. (That is why I'm practicing so slowly.)
oh yes I have to practice this very slowly too. I was told to "lighten my arm" and to make circular motions with my wrist- my arm is involved too. I will have to return to a lesson to seek further feedback. I really do imagine drawing different circle/ovals- at the level of my wrist- the movements aren't too big, though. I noticed immediate improvement in the right direction. The success of this will also tie in closely to the sound and clarity I hope to produce. More than anything - I want equal weight to each note as this series of broken chords produces a very even drone to the beautiful octaves w/ the right hand.
Oh Hills of Anacapri, you are one of the most joyous utterances in music. Especially your ending.
We all swoon differently, though you're cool with that.
Not the best recording of the Howells. As an enthusiastic Anglican lad (not very trendy and I got punched out a few times), I'll always remember the first time I heard this glorious anthem.
I still get tears.
Oddly enough, the boys and men at St. Paul's and Lincoln Cathedral don't match the Collegiate Singers in this repertoire. But cannot post it here because of copyright issues.
YESSSSSSS!!! I practised with focus and diligence! Scales, Bach Prelude in Cmin 847, then began my first ever Haydn Sonata where I put in some good work on reading, decisions, exploring ornaments, fingering and just enjoying this piece of music a lot. Has anyone played HobXVI:36 in C# minor? I think I'm going to love it.
I am finally making some headway on this Bach organ fugue. It has a couple pedal sections that are killer... absolutely above my ability, but I have been practicing only the feet since Christmas and suddenly can at least hear the whole piece. .. if at 1/2 tempo. .. so much fun.
such a glorious piece and Tom Koopman is a master on a really neat instrument.
there is a violin/cello transcription of Bach BWV 578 that is fun to play on the piano.. if you double the bass at times, it is particularly satisfying.
I work 10-15 mins at a time on the fugue (Bach, BWV 847). I probably did 4-5 such sessions. I'm half way through and its been 2 days since I've started on it. I'm satisfied with the progress. I play whatever I've learned up to speed.
What did I practice today? Reviving: Beethoven Opus 13, and Poulenc Intermezzo in A flat. New material: Kapustin Etude, Opus 40, No. 2, and Franck Sonata for Violin and Piano. Sight reading through Mompou's Cancion y Danzas.
I'd half learnt BWV 847 a few months ago. I've decided to memorise the fugue as a way to get it up to performance. Today I got 12 bars done, but memory is not set or cured yet (like concrete). Feels good to make progress on this again. Did scales/arps again today as warm up WOOOT (pleased with my dedication here).
Did more of the new Haydn XVI 36 and will continue on to 2nd half after bowl of soup. Development of themes is nearly as delicious as this soup
Practiced scales and arpegios. Trying to play Hanon #46 with piano. Then worked on the the hard section from the Christmas overture one last time. I should put six notes for 1 beat at 112 (sextuplets = quarter note = 112) but cannot. I can play comfortably at 96 and can manage at 100 but ahhhhh I cannot do at 112. Decided to put it down for now. Then practiced the 1st Movement of the Pathetique. I worked on mapping the fingers (some say, marking the notes with fingers) for the fast sections to minimizing the jumping from notes to notes. Slowly but surely it's coming. I felt good so I played a new orleans jazz duet piece for fun. Ready to go to bed now.
...awhile back I decided to read through Chopin's Etude in e-flat min op 10 #6 ......way under tempo, but I was charmed......couldn't figure out why I never worked on it in depth before...and weeks later, I now know why....I'm finding it brutal going...though from a strictly technical standpoint the 16th notes are easier to articulate at a faster tempo, the melody notes suffer - balance-wise and color-wise.........
Today I practised patience whilst driving amongst the other idiots (yes I say other because I assume to them I am one also) on the freeway during one mother of a snowstorm.
Today I practised patience whilst driving amongst the other idiots (yes I say other because I assume to them I am one also) on the freeway during one mother of a snowstorm.
Fortunately I do not take after my father when it comes to driving and patience!
Today, I practiced: -Chopin Etudes Op. 25 Nos. 10 and 12 -Ravel Concerto in G, parts of all three movements (I need to crack down on memorizing the second once and for all!) -Mozart Sonata K 311 (I need to start learning the second movement) -Brahms Ballade Op. 10 No. 1 - I'm recording it as an audition for Brevard summer music festival!
TOMORROW I will work on Brahms Ballade Op. 10 No. 3, Ravel Concerto 2nd movement, Mozart Sonata 2nd movement, and possibly something else.
Haydn: Trio: Dynamics and RH thirds voicing. Bach: Learned 8-10 measures. Hands separate and hands together practice to review what I already learned. Practiced each ornament 4 times each going up and down the chromatic scale (this was really helpful)! Also practiced Ab and Eb Major scales and chords.
Yes. This is my first time hearing it, but it's good. Speaking of Piazzolla, I may play a transcription of his Four Seasons for piano trio with the piano trio I'm now in (if we stay together after the semester, which I hope we do).
Today, I practiced: -Brahms Ballade Op. 10 No. 2 -Brahms Ballade Op. 10 No. 3 -Beethoven Trio in C Minor Op. 1 No. 3 -Ravel Concerto in G, 2nd movement -Richard Crosby Sonata for Piano and Viola Op. 10
Fine... I rehearsed the exposition of the first movement of Beethoven's Piano Trio in C Minor Op. 1 No. 3 with the violinist and cellist I am partnered with. That piece is AMAZINGLY AMAZING, needless to say!
I also practiced Ravel La Valse and the second movement of Ravel's Concerto (making lots of progress in memorizing it for good!).
I also practiced singing "Lobet den Hernn" BWV 230. It's very difficult to sing accurately, because Bach seems to write for the voice just like he does for the keyboard... No mercy with arpeggios, for example!
I also conducted a mini-rehearsal on that piece... Needless to say, I really want to investigate choral conducting, especially after the experience of being in such an unbelievable choir here at University of Louisville!
Fine... I rehearsed the exposition of the first movement of Beethoven's Piano Trio in C Minor Op. 1 No. 3 with the violinist and cellist I am partnered with. That piece is AMAZINGLY AMAZING, needless to say!
Excellent rep choice, Soda. The Op. 1 trios are among the chamber works I've known/played the longest.
La Campanella, Chopins thirds etude, Hungarian Rhapsody #6
Shoo whee, that is some very taxing stuff there!
And stores, I feel there is something special with Beethoven and C Minor. I also feel this with the Op. 13 and Op. 111 piano sonatas, along with the C minor Piano Concerto Op. 37 Choral Fantasy Op. 80. (Sorry, not as big a fan of the 5th symphony as I am these other pieces, but that's another great example.)
My work schedule is somewhat irregular. I had a very rare and welcomed 8 hour practice day yesterday, and got some very good work done on these pieces:
Jazz:
(From Hal Leonard "Jazz Favorites"--VERY, VERY EASY ARRANGEMENTS, but extremely well-thought-out by the arranger, bless his heart, whoever he is!)
Alice In Wonderland April In Paris How High the Moon My Favorite Things The Nearness of You
Ragtime:
"Balance of the Scales" (Pauline Turner, 1975) photocopy of a handwritten score that my Grandma gave me, whose friend (Pauline) wrote the piece. It's got a nice, predictable, singable melody. It deserves to be heard, so I'm a-gonna play it!
Classical:
Bach. WTC1, Prelude 22 (Bb min) Bach. Partita No.1 (Bb), THE WHOLE THING!!! Yes, after plowing though so many of the Goldberg variations last year and practicing the Beet. Op. 79 with the hand over hand stuff, I discovered yesterday that I could actually play the Giga!!! Bach. Partita No.4 (D maj), Allemande, Courante, Aria, Sarabande, Menuet. Kuhlau. Sonatina in C, Op. 20, No. 1 Clementi. Sonatina in D, Op. 36, No.6 Mozart. Sonata in C, No. 3 [k.545] Mozart. Sonata in A, No. 16 [k. 300], 1st mov., theme and vars. 1-4 Beethoven. Sonatina in F major. A CUTE, CUTE piece that makes me smile and laugh every time I play it. There are many humorous, playful touches to be made in both movements of this little comic gem!
All of these pieces (except the Jazz, Rag, Beethoven, and Mozart k.300) are ones that I've been working on, on and off, for a year or thirteen [edit: or thirty]. They are now starting to gel in a big way, and as the performance of my piano improves, so does my interest in playing and understanding them more deeply!
Today, I will not get to practice as much. But I will get to practice!
La Campanella, Chopins thirds etude, Hungarian Rhapsody #6
Shoo whee, that is some very taxing stuff there!
It made my right arm hurt just reading it.
I'm a young and unexperienced pianist, so I don't know how bad it might be for the arms yet =) Hehe, but I've got alot of strenght from bboying("breakdancing"), so far so well...
And stores, I feel there is something special with Beethoven and C Minor. I also feel this with the Op. 13 and Op. 111 piano sonatas, along with the C minor Piano Concerto Op. 37 Choral Fantasy Op. 80. (Sorry, not as big a fan of the 5th symphony as I am these other pieces, but that's another great example.)
Oh there is definitely a connection with Beethoven and cminor. It's certainly a dramatic key and Beethoven knew just how to eke the most out of it. A few additions to check out, if you've not heard them...String Trio No. 5, Op. 9 No. 3, then there's 10/1 which I'm surprised you left out, String Quartet No. 4, Op. 18, String Quintet, Op. 104 (which is actually an arrangement of 1/3...scored for quartet with and extra viola), Violin Sonata No. 7, Op. 30 No. 2 (one of our illustrious members' faves), , the thirty-two variations on an original theme WoO80. I'm surprised that you're not a fan of the 5th...such a great work, though it is played to death.
Oh there is definitely a connection with Beethoven and cminor. It's certainly a dramatic key and Beethoven knew just how to eke the most out of it. A few additions to check out, if you've not heard them...String Trio No. 5, Op. 9 No. 3, then there's 10/1 which I'm surprised you left out, String Quartet No. 4, Op. 18, String Quintet, Op. 104 (which is actually an arrangement of 1/3...scored for quartet with and extra viola), Violin Sonata No. 7, Op. 30 No. 2 (one of our illustrious members' faves), , the thirty-two variations on an original theme WoO80. I'm surprised that you're not a fan of the 5th...such a great work, though it is played to death.
I need to hear the Op. 104 quartet! I need to hear the other chamber pieces as well. The 32 variations are nice of course. The 5th is of course great, but I get kind of worn out by the amount of repetition Beethoven did in many (many, many) parts to prove a point.
I also wonder how good the ending of the 9th symphony would sound if it didn't have those few measures of nothing but repeated I chords at the end...
My favorite C minor work by Beethoven might be the Choral Fantasy Op. 80. It may not be his greatest or most complex work by any means, but it is nice to listen to, always leaves me in a cheery mood, and is uplifting to hear Georg Friedrich Treitschke's (I think he wrote the text? Correct me if I'm wrong) beautiful text about the peace, joy, bliss, art, and God's grace being bestowed on man.
Georg Friedrich Treitschke's (I think he wrote the text? Correct me if I'm wrong)
Well, I'm not sure we'll ever know for sure. Czerny claimed that the poet LVB commissioned was Cristoph Kuffner and he's generally acknowledged as such. Treitschke, revised and "finalised" the libretto for "Fidelio", but Gustav Nottebohm (who first pored through and wrote about Beethoven's sketchbooks) thought the Choral text might be his.
It is slowly starting to become luminous, like liquid gold.
What a great simile!
Thanks. I was going for an image of me mercilessly beating on it, like a goldsmith with a crude hammer, until it finally became this crystalline shining object. Debussy himself marks the ending "Lumineux", and the final five notes sound a little like an elven hammer.
I practiced Schubert Sonata in A (959) and the Rachmaninoff Prelude in G sharp minor. I'm using an app I made called Compound Time to keep track of what I practice.
Bach fugue 847 this week. Teacher was impressed by improvement since last lesson a week ago. I didn't tell her it was thanks to nudges and hints from PW (thanks liszt85!) - I let her think that it was my talent coming to the fore
Brahms Intermezzo op76/4 in Bb major: played my first Brahms piece for the first time in lesson today. I was not expecting to be able to play Brahms, or to take to it especially, but oh my! I do love learning this intermezzo. I'm still at the hesitant, putting together the notes and fingers stage, but you can hear how it is going to sound (I'm voicing and pedaling and shaping as I learn notes). So it was most pleasing to have my teacher say "Yes, like that, there's nothing you should change". Apparently she thinks I "get" Brahms, whereas generally her students do not get Brahms at first.
Forgive me for describing my small success here, but it really felt like some sort of arrival. The last 3 weeks (where I have had weekly lessons) i feel I've moved up a tiny level. I think I should try to have regular lessons this year as it clearly helps a lot!
Today: scales and exercises for warmup *hate melodic minors!* Bach Little Prelude in D (BWV925). (possible exam piece) Think its up to performance level now :-) Beethoven Op 46 2nd mvt, polishing up some wobbly bits. Various parts of the 1st & 3rd mvmt of the Pathetique. All of the 2nd mvmt - experimenting with different interpretations of bars 22/23/24.. Piano parts of violin/piano works - Meditation from Thais and Elgar's Salut d'amore, and a Handel sonata (for rehearsal tomorrow). "Curious Story" from Schumann's Kinderszenen (possible exam piece). Bits of the Brahm's RHapsody.
I first obtained the music at IMSLP - it seems to have been written by hand, maybe by Domenico himself. It was very difficult to read. I recently found a proper copy at IMSLP. It is very nice with fingering and pedalling instructions/suggestions.
I was looking for a piece for one of my students who does not like classical (altho I make her do plenty of exercises, scales, etc.)
also, the 1st variaion of the Goldbergs. I love going back a relearning a piece occasionally.
Bach fugue 847 this week. Teacher was impressed by improvement since last lesson a week ago. I didn't tell her it was thanks to nudges and hints from PW (thanks liszt85!) - I let her think that it was my talent coming to the fore
Brahms Intermezzo op76/4 in Bb major: played my first Brahms piece for the first time in lesson today. I was not expecting to be able to play Brahms, or to take to it especially, but oh my! I do love learning this intermezzo. I'm still at the hesitant, putting together the notes and fingers stage, but you can hear how it is going to sound (I'm voicing and pedaling and shaping as I learn notes). So it was most pleasing to have my teacher say "Yes, like that, there's nothing you should change". Apparently she thinks I "get" Brahms, whereas generally her students do not get Brahms at first.
Forgive me for describing my small success here, but it really felt like some sort of arrival. The last 3 weeks (where I have had weekly lessons) i feel I've moved up a tiny level. I think I should try to have regular lessons this year as it clearly helps a lot!
ok back to practise!
Well, congratulations on your success, then! Especially with such a marvelous piece as op 76/4.
Doppler's Andante and Rondo with two flutes. That was fun!
It is rather fun, isn't it. (Don't you wish you'd get the tune sometimes, though?)
Oh, yes. I was hoping to be a collaborative pianist not an accompanist when I signed up for this two weekend chamber music camp. I was sorely disappointed when I was matched with two flutes. I was hoping for a string ensemble and some real music to play, not oom pah pah. But the music isn't difficult. It's cute and I'm trying to make the best of it. At the very least, it's a good experience and they are nice people.
I was hoping to be a collaborative pianist not an accompanist when I signed up for this two weekend chamber music camp. I was sorely disappointed when I was matched with two flutes. I was hoping for a string ensemble and some real music to play, not oom pah pah. But the music isn't difficult. It's cute and I'm trying to make the best of it. At the very least, it's a good experience and they are nice people.
There are some ensemble issues, and you can make a significant difference there, even though the flute players may not realise it was you who made the difference! Hopefully there are some other things to play, too. Enjoy.
Not a really satisisfactory practise today, had my mind on other things. Did some scales and arpeggios desultorily. Weather forecast is 39 degrees and already warm in the house, fingers a bit slippery. Worked on Bach BWV 925 - getting it to a very satisfying stage to play now, experimenting with dynamics and adding ornaments, but I find the ornaments aren't really needed or satisfying or are too difficult to put in at speed. Still a couple of awkward fingerings that I can't seem to improve upon.
Spend some time on the Beethoven Op 14 No 2, 2nd mvmt, trying to polish the dynamics and staccatos and be consistent throughout. Found that voicing the pp chords at the end carefully with some emphasis on the highest note really helped for a consistent tone and volume. Still don't understand the ff chord at the end, but, wth, that's what written, that's what I'll play!
Canonie: Yes, contemplating AMEB Gr 5 in April/whenever. Have to discuss it more with my teacher when he calls up soon to restart lessons. Last year he suggested Gr 5 as the technical work for Gr 6 was a quantum jump in difficulty. Who am I to argue? Pieces selected are the Bach BWV 925, Beethoven as mentioned above, Schumann's Curiouse Geschicht from Kinderszenen, and Bartok's "Clanging Sounds" from the Mikrokosmos Bk IV. Extra list is Mozart Viennese Sonatina II, 1st Mvmt, and something else not yet decided. Perhaps the Alkan "Canon"? Doing Gr 5 at my (*ahem* "senior") age seems faintly ridiculous to me but it's something to focus upon. I did Gr 3 in *cough* 1962 and my wise teachers never suggested I take any more grades...
Ran through the accompaniment book for my violinist friend of possible duets, onby a couple will require some serious learning, should be able to get through the rest semi-sight-reading without too much sweat.
Don't worry Senior Toastburn, I think the examiners like examining intelligent and keen adults, makes a change for them. I did Gr 6 last year after a many decade break since Preliminary - so I skipped 5 grades haha. my teacher didn't tell me the tech work for gr6 was a serious prospect, and because I never did exams (after prelim) as a kid I'd never done scales or arps back then. I think this seriously challenged my coordination as an adult, especially the contrary motion.
Anyway it was a great thing to do because it helped me improve such a lot, doesn't matter if you choke on the day, except damage to your pride. I'm doing gr7 in May, am pretty committed to see it through and have just chosen my last extra list piece (no more changes allowed I say sternly to myself). Enjoy your preparation and I'll enjoy following your progress here
Yesterday: worked on Bach fugue 847 - hey it's all there now, I am over the hump and in the very pleasurable phase of consolidation and enjoying the music HURRAY! Also worked on Haydn sonate first movement hob xvi/36, lots of detail of articulation still messy, no through flow yet but am aiming for good slow rendition for this friday's lesson. Ornaments difficult at speed - need a fortepiano! Bother!
I did not practise today but I have my lesson soon. Teacher is pickier now because I have a performance coming up, so I'm actually a little nervous.
Recently, I've been not as focused during practice as I could be. Time to get the whip cracking! However, I've incorporated some warm-up and technique via a scale in a random key and running through some Bach inventions. I'm doing more sight reading too but I need to be careful to limit myself. I can whittle away hours sight reading before I realize it, and then my time is all gone.
Today I practiced Beethoven sonata Op.10 no.1 and Liszt Transcendental Etude no.10.
I think today I was able to make my first connection with the Beethoven which I don't even have memorized. The Liszt just didn't seem to work. The sound of the piano just seemed to smooth and rich to me. It was like I just couldn't conjure the roughness that I think is required in this piece today.
Yes, beautiful! Another way to appreciate the cello suites - they always transport me to another world of serenity and beauty. Thanks for posting this.
So far, besides scales, chords, and arpeggios, I played through a few Hanon exercises (these are just great for limbering up my fingers early in the morning) and practiced a Granados waltz that I'm playing in a recital this weekend. I've still got to do some Bach and maybe some Moszkowski, and then I'm off to work on some other non-music related stuff.
Doing Gr 5 at my (*ahem* "senior") age seems faintly ridiculous to me but it's something to focus upon.
One of my students did Gr5 at 70, and did very well. I'm sure, as Canonie said, that the examiner welcomed the change, and also the way he approached the music (judging by the comments on his report). Go for it.
Nice story Currawong I think my examiner especially enjoyed my general knowledge. I collapsed to silence at least once in every piece (except one) so I couldn't score very high, but he actually apologised "I'm sorry that I can't give you the highest grade..." which was nice of him! I think he could see that there was only the problem of an adult doing their first exam and having finger wobbles and brain jams in between the more interesting playing. He could see that I was in fact very close to a good show, but fell on the side of terrible. And that's the way with exams when you are inexperienced, you are measured on your performance on that day; it doesn't measure what you got out of it or how much you improved.
I'm really not sure that I'll ever be able to pull off a more controlled exam. I'm going to try not too care too much about this next one - well I'll care a lot now but not too much on the day. I'll try to make a smaller deal out of it. we'll see....
Yesterday: did a HUGE practice. Could actually feel that my hands had a pleasantly worked feeling. Great warmup of scales and arps, lots of Bach P and F 847 (I've brought the Prel back into practice), lots of the Haydn, some Invention 13 for cool down at end. Voicing of fugue is in MY control - yay.
In this weather what does one do but shut out the weather and practice?
@ Canonie & Currawong; Thanks for the encouraging comments! (except for the "Senior Toastburn" *little glare* :-) ). You have bolstered my resolve and removed some trepidation. I'll keep polishing the pieces and the technical work and discuss it more when my teacher is able to restart the lessons. Haven't practised yet today, had to mow the lawn before the rain comes later (oh the joys of a garden).
Coming off of a 4-day break, due to an aggravation of my ulnar nerve symptoms (happens once every 2 months).
Started Debussy's Voiles (Sails). It's almost entirely restricted to the whole-tone scale: C-D-E-F#-Ab-Bb. When you play this whole-tone scale over several octaves, your hands rise up vertically (on the black notes) and back down (on the white notes), like waves....
Worked through Mozart's K.283 sonata. Basically "there". Tempi that seemed a break-neck hurtle a few months ago now don't feel fast at all, yay!
Well done on the Mozart I've done some really solid work on Haydn c# minor sonate (XVI/36) today. Previous technical work on this piece is showing benefits - the firey section on p3 (all 16ths in RH) is now not the hardest part at all as my hands seem to have learnt the movements required. The LH ornament of the first bar is what will set the tempo low for now, so I worked on that a lot. The trouble with playing an ornament in unison between the hands is that my RH always wins grrrr.
On the bright side I can tell that my technique is much more capable than when I did my gr6 sonate, I have new hands
Also began Mendelssohn 102/3 Tarantella, not my kind of piece but it will be "Good For Me". I have to think of it as a study. Actually it was more fun than I was expecting.
Funny how this is 13 pages long. Why would anyone want to read about what someone else is practicing?
It can also function something like a diary, a confessional, in which we convert the day's hours of intense private struggle to a few choice public lines of summary. Therapeutic.
btw... "Grieg is too easy"? That's funny.
btw2... I checked out your website. You didn't ask for any feedback, but in case this kind of thing is important to you, I'm just letting you know that your recording that you label "Bach G flat" is actually in E flat minor (the Eb minor prelude from WTC I).
Funny how this is 13 pages long. Why would anyone want to read about what someone else is practicing?
It can also function something like a diary, a confessional, in which we convert the day's hours of intense private struggle to a few choice public lines of summary. Therapeutic.
btw... "Grieg is too easy"? That's funny.
btw2... I checked out your website. You didn't ask for any feedback, but in case this kind of thing is important to you, I'm just letting you know that your recording that you label "Bach G flat" is actually in E flat minor (the Eb minor prelude from WTC I).
-J
Yes I found it out yesterday that it was a mistake but the only way to fix it is to go back into my dreamweaver application and tweak a playlist file and then re upload the files so I don't care right now!
The comment about the Grieg was meant as facetious I hope everyone get's - But when you compare concertos , it IS pretty easy. It sits very well in the hands at least for me.
Scales and apeggios. Bach BWV 925, Brahms RHapsody in Gm (YAY finally (after 12 months) getting the 3-against-2 cadences right (I"m a slow learner!)). Schumann, MOzart exam pieces. Beethoven OP 49 Allegro. Bach WTC I the fugues in D and C. THen for fun Elgar's "Nimrod" variation.
I did only 30 mins practice today. Partly due to my homework and partly due to tiredness. I only did some recap on 2 pieces I played to my teacher yesterday. Feel really guilty now......
I didn't do any practice today or yesterday since I fell on the ice and twisted my wrist. Thankfully the swelling is going down, though, so hopefully tomorrow I'll be back with a vengeance and focusing on the cadenza of the Grieg concerto and the 3rd prelude of Rach's op. 23.
I didn't do any practice today or yesterday since I fell on the ice and twisted my wrist. Thankfully the swelling is going down, though, so hopefully tomorrow I'll be back with a vengeance and focusing on the cadenza of the Grieg concerto and the 3rd prelude of Rach's op. 23.
Ouch! I feel for you. I've sometimes had to stop playing for a few days for various reasons. Very frustrating.
My only advice is not to return "with a vengeance". Return gently and gradually. It's very easy to do damage just when you think it's getting better.
Ouch! I feel for you. I've sometimes had to stop playing for a few days for various reasons. Very frustrating.
My only advice is not to return "with a vengeance". Return gently and gradually. It's very easy to do damage just when you think it's getting better.
-Jason
Yes, indeed, it is frustrating. You're right about returning to practice gradually - thanks for the advice. I can be bad about jumping back in with both feet. But I'll be good this time, I promise!
Today I practiced the middle part of Grieg concerto in a minor, and the beginning part a little. And I worked on Bach's French suite # 5 Gigue, making it sound more country-dance-like and getting the articulation and phrasing right. And I worked on the fingerings of the Allemande. And I sight read some hymns and sang some harmony and practiced playing the notes from c to g (well really b flat to f) on trumpet.
Nothing so far, except for playing my daily Bach P&F (today it was B flat minor, book II). It's just too hot here (well it's only 35C but it feels hotter) and I've run out of puff.
Nothing so far, except for playing my daily Bach P&F (today it was B flat minor, book II). It's just too hot here (well it's only 35C but it feels hotter) and I've run out of puff.
Well, and that's a brutal one. Both the prelude and fugue are long, and the fugue is particularly grinding and hard to read. Reading that pair has done me in before.
yesterday I practiced Lizst's transcription of Bach's organ Prelude and Fugue in A minor. I learned this a while ago and it is nice to revisit with 'skills' I've acquired the last 10 years.
very beautiful - I love this particular recording.. very sensitive... not the most perfect, but hay.
Nothing so far, except for playing my daily Bach P&F (today it was B flat minor, book II). It's just too hot here (well it's only 35C but it feels hotter) and I've run out of puff.
Very hot here too.... With the flute and the guitar it is a real torture, as I have to close the window. With the piano I can keep the window open, but the lamp on the piano is another source of heat...
It appears that nobody has practised for a week... or has this thread reached its "use by" date?
Anyway, yesterday I practised scales and arps, Bach BWv 925, Brahms Rhapsody, Schumann, and bits of the Pathetique and Op 49 4th mvmt. Humidity was up in the 80% range so there were frequent stops to wash hands and wipe the keys and for liquid refreshment. TOday will be more of the same after houshold chores and a rehearsal with my violinist duet mate this morning.
It appears that nobody has practised for a week... or has this thread reached its "use by" date?
Anyway, yesterday I practised scales and arps, Bach BWv 925, Brahms Rhapsody, Schumann, and bits of the Pathetique and Op 49 4th mvmt. Humidity was up in the 80% range so there were frequent stops to wash hands and wipe the keys and for liquid refreshment. TOday will be more of the same after houshold chores and a rehearsal with my violinist duet mate this morning.
What's this "op. 49 4th movement"? It's in your signature too. Are you... thinking of the two op.49 sonatas as a single four-movement sonata? Something like that?
[quote=Toastburn] What's this "op. 49 4th movement"? It's in your signature too. Are you... thinking of the two op.49 sonatas as a single four-movement sonata? Something like that?
-J
OOps! ShOuld be Op 26, NOT Op 49. THanks for pointing this out.
Still practising over here At my lesson I played my Bach fugue without the music which was a good milestone to reach - very happy about that. Also very happy that the (tiny) cadenza that I put into the Haydn was accepted by my teacher. Mostly she laughs at the improvements I make to scores, sometimes I get the style right but it's rare.
This week I have to apply the rhythms magic to all the passage work in the prelude. Rhythm work is just that wee bit tedious, but I know it will transform it in a week.
Actually I really shouldn't be practising piano this week, I should be waking up the cello for impending performance <groan>.
It appears that nobody has practised for a week... or has this thread reached its "use by" date?
Actually, I see it as the sort of thread that sits here and gets added to from time to time when people feel like it. (I haven't done any practice yet today - it's still early )
Brahms 119 Rhapsody - I can't play it for too long because the stretches start to hurt my small hands. I had the same problem with 119 #2 and #3 but gentle practice eventually stretched my hands so it no longer hurts when I play them. I just have to be careful not to overdo it. Starting Liszt Sonnetto 47 del Petrarca - without asking my teacher. I wonder if he will agree to it?
Oh yeah, that's a good one. I think the 4th and 5th sonatas are quite underrated!
For me, today I had a full-blown cold, and oddly enough, practicing was one of the only things I could do to not feel achy. Starting to get the upper hand on my four Debussy preludes.
Next week we'll decide on what to play next. It may be time to start my late Beethoven project....
Now, stores is often sarcastic, sometimes too much so (which I'm happy to let him know ) . And "good luck with that" is usually meant sarcastically. But I think he was being sincere.
At any rate, as I've mentioned elsewhere, the "huge order" is slightly mitigated by the fact that I've worked up op.110 before, and worked on op.111 (learned all the notes, didn't get it up to speed). Many years ago.
Am I pulling his leg, or vice versa? I wasn't being sarcastic, by the way. When I said good luck with that, I truly meant it as anyone is going to need some luck to pull off the final three at the same time.
Today I sight-read through a lot of Davidsbundlertanze. I'd never heard it before my teacher suggested it yesterday. I absolutely love it!
-Jason
Good for you!
I blindly thought that Schumann was being more clever than inspired in composing the Davidsbundlertanze - a conceit that stupidly kept me away from them for about 10 years. Now I'm eating crow.....
(I also originally thought the same years ago about guitarist Al DiMeola and songwriter Elvis Costello. Oh, how I hate maturity. It always proves me wrong...... )
On deck today: Haydn's Sonata in E, Hob, XVI/13, Schubert's Wanderer Fantasy, John Harbison's On an unwritten letter.
Is anyone still practising? I am! Although not with gusto because I'm with a junker of a piano right now. I miss my piano. Still doing the same pieces as before, but I've been sight reading things here and there + reviving old pieces for fun.
I thought I'd move this thread to the first page to get some productive discussion going.
I've been doing a lot of practicing and a lot of performing. Too busy to post !
Don't worry, you haven't been missing anything good. How have your performances been going? I have one coming up that I should be preparing more for, but I'm kind of at that stage where I'm sick of what I'm playing so I'm giving it a rest for a few days.
first hour: all major and harmonic minor scales, including a four octave formula pattern (RCM), all major and minor arpeggios, Moszkowski Etudes (Opus 72, no 6 and 7) 2nd & 3rd hour: Debussy Children's Corner Suite: Doctor Gradus ad Parnassum and Jiimbo's Lullaby, Bach WTC book I: BWV 855 in e min, Beethoven Sonata in E Major opus 14, no 1
I loooove Chausson but damn, what a bad transcription.. I have to add things or change them because at times it sounds nothing like the orchestral one..
Mainly practiced La fille aux Cheveux de Lin. Sightread some of the Partita no.2. Worked on both Beethovens, and started op. 90. I have played some of op 90 no 3 before, so I started with that.
I have just started studying Chopin's Prelude Op.28 No.24. It really reflects my current terribly gloomy and tempestuous mood... It has always been my favourite prelude.
Thought this tread was dead, but since its back....
Today I played through Chopin's Aeolian, Butterfly and Ocean Etudes (Opus 25 1, 9 and 12) and the Schumann Novelletten No 1 and 2. All but the second Novellette are memorized. Hopefully I'll record these within the next month and then start working on something else.
Liszt- La Campanella (playing it on Saturday... Revive it from two weeks of not practicing since competition) Hindemith- Trumpet Sonata (EWWWW) John Williams- Five Sacred Trees Bassoon Concerto Debussy- Images I: Mouvement Beethoven- Horn Sonata, 1st movement. GREAT PIECE!
Chopin's op 15 no 3, arguably the easiest Nocturne but I'm having a helluva time getting those climactic chords up to speed at the end of the A section.
Also op 32 no 1, another of the "easy" nocturnes that I still can't get through without mistakes...and it's been 3 weeks now. And then there's the matter of that long run at the bottom of the first page, the one I'm pretty certain Chopin stuck in there just to give novices like me a hard time...
Today after some sight reading I practiced Bach's fourth Invention and re-read through the Grieg Arietta Op. 12 No. 1 (a great piece; I'm re-learning it for a performance coming up soon.) I started on b minor scales, chords, and arpeggios, but that wasn't really working out. Instead of bashing the piano to bits in anger, I decided instead to just call it a day.
Thought this tread was dead, but since its back....
Today I played through Chopin's Aeolian, Butterfly and Ocean Etudes (Opus 25 1, 9 and 12) and the Schumann Novelletten No 1 and 2. All but the second Novellette are memorized. Hopefully I'll record these within the next month and then start working on something else.
The Ocean Etude, carey ?!? Are you going to add it to the history in Member Recordings? Canonie: How's that Haydn going? Are we going to get to hear it? Op. 28 No. 4, CA? Jeez! Stormy! At least there's hope--and finality! (At least, that's how I hear it! ) JoshP: Let's hear the Op. 109 trill! Wow, Thaiguy--you got a lot goin' on! Cardguy: Easy, my eye! Wise move, survivordan! Wise move, Damon!
Today, I practiced:
Kuhlau Sonatina in C, Op. 55 No. 1 (The whole thing! From memory!) Clementi Sonatina in D, Op. 36 No. 6 (The whole thing! From memory!) Mozart Sonatina in C, No. 1, "Viennese Sonatina" Mozart Sonata in C, No. 3, [K. 545], "Sonata Facile" Bach, Partita No. 4, Courante, Aria, Sarabande, Menuet, Gigue Pauline Turner, "Balance of the Scales," (1976) ( a rag) "Alice in Wonderland," from Hal Leonard Jazz Favorites "My Favorite Things," from Hal Leonard Jazz Favorites
Op. 28 No. 4, CA? Jeez! Stormy! At least there's hope--and finality! (At least, that's how I hear it! )
Actually No.24, not 4.... It is not only the piece itself, it is like something happened once when I was listening to it... But it doesn't matter. It is just a very emotional piece for me. I played it in the last 30 minutes of my first piano session today, and cannot wait for my second session. I just want to concentrate on that piece now...
Kuhlau Sonatina in C, Op. 55 No. 1 (The whole thing! From memory!) Clementi Sonatina in D, Op. 36 No. 6 (The whole thing! From memory!) Mozart Sonatina in C, No. 1, "Viennese Sonatina" Mozart Sonata in C, No. 3, [K. 545], "Sonata Facile" Bach, Partita No. 4, Courante, Aria, Sarabande, Menuet, Gigue Pauline Turner, "Balance of the Scales," (1976) ( a rag) "Alice in Wonderland," from Hal Leonard Jazz Favorites "My Favorite Things," from Hal Leonard Jazz Favorites
Ah--I meant No. 24, CA! Typo! And my comment stands: hope and finality amidst stormy circumstances!
Where... and really, I mean where... do you find hope in the D minor prelude? Finality, yes. But certainly no hope in that terrifying apocalyptic ending?
Polishing those trills over and over and over in F# major fugue (WTC book 1). Record. Listen. Fix. Record. Listen. Fix.
Learning/memorizing page 3 of Brahms Op. 119 Rhapsody and trying to play the bottom of page 2 without hesitations. Slowing going. I'm hoping I'll be mostly over the hump once page 3 is down.
A somewhat curtailed day today, but it still felt good. Skipped a bit of my usual technical stuff and some my long-running etudes, and went to -
Rachmaninoff - ET op. 33, in Eb min and Eb major; prelude op. 23 in Eb maj.
Moscheles - Gigue, op. 58 (I am thinking this might be a good one for the Unsung Heroes e-cital)
Clementi - Sonata, op. 25, no. 2, in G major (another potential one for the UHE - maybe Clementi is sort of semi-sung rather than unsung, but the sonatas are pretty much off the radar for most pianists, I think)
Liszt - HR no. 11 - yeah, I know, way beyond my reach, but I'm having lots of fun with it anyway.
Chopin - op. 18 Waltz, Eb being my key for this month and since a bunch of recordings turned up in a recent thread; nocturne op. 55, no. 2, which I played so freely tonight that I barely recognized myself as the person playing - that was interesting and it revealed aspects of the music I hadn't heard before.
Beethoven Op 90 1st movement Bach Prelude and Fugue C minor, Book 1 Debussy Prelude No 2 book 1 - Voiles
But I didn't have much time to spend at the piano today - an emergency at work kept me there til 9pm... so I just had enough time at the piano to relax a little before bed.
Help! I can't stop! I've already put in about 4 hours today. My hands are tired and all I want to do is practice more! I'm addicted. I just love spring break - no students, just me and my piano! Oh darn, I guess I should start dinner. The family needs to eat.
Still working on: Brahms 119 Rhapsody. The first two pages are beginning to make musical sense and the first half of page 3 is beginning to fall under my fingers.
Bach F# major P&F book 1 - almost done, settling on a tempo. Wow, I only started it 2 months ago.
[start vent]Banged my way through Beethoven's An die ferne geliebte, listened to the people in the other practice rooms around me playing stuff I could never play in a million years, and then quit in frustration.[end vent]
gooddog - well done on a P&F in 2 months, hurray. I must listen to this one some time.
CB - I'm lucky not to have posted a recording of the Haydn - found an unbelievably embarrassing wrong note this morning. A loud, long climactic sort of note, doubled at the 8ve My teacher hasn't ever picked it up either haha I will give her a hard time about that (or maybe I play with enough conviction?!)
currawong - you one-P&F-per-day people never cease to inspire awe.
clementi could be half-sung I think, I reckon it qualifies as something needing more exposure and attention.
Today I am still Ironing out Wrinkles with Metronome, especially in my fugue. after ironing I will work on the my Brahms (swoon).
darn it, you made me hungry! Yeh I've just been playing it at the legendary slow tempo (1/4 = 40) of concert pianists just before a recital, by memory. And yes, I can remember every note, so not relying on muscle memory. Good.
LimeFriday, open your window and play loudly and I'll be able to hear how you play your Cmin prel and fugue. I wonder if you sometimes play D flats accidentally in bar 22 and 23....? I do.
[start vent]Banged my way through Beethoven's An die ferne geliebte, listened to the people in the other practice rooms around me playing stuff I could never play in a million years, and then quit in frustration.[end vent]
I bet that most of those people around you would struggle with An die ferne geliebte for expressive - as opposed to 'impressive' - reasons.
It's a wonderful piece with it's own interpretive difficulties. I hope that you're back to work on it by the time you read this........
[start vent]Banged my way through Beethoven's An die ferne geliebte, listened to the people in the other practice rooms around me playing stuff I could never play in a million years, and then quit in frustration.[end vent]
From what I have heard of you, you are very good too. No need to quit in frustration! Besides, they have probably been studying for a very long time.
gooddog - well done on a P&F in 2 months, hurray. I must listen to this one some time.
I'm actually not embarassed by this one and will post it soon.
Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear
Gooddog, how was the pizza?
Ha!Ha! I actually stopped practicing long enough to cook. Stir fried chicken, tofu, vegies and peanuts with lots of garlic and spicy black bean sauce. The house smells wonderful!
And I had chicken with veggies with *ginger* and spicy black bean sauce! Great minds think, I mean, cook, almost alike! Oops I can imagine BruceD saying TMI about the meal details. Well, back on topic, I practiced... let's just leave it at that. I practiced. This is my first attempt at quoting, so let's see how it goes...
gooddog - well done on a P&F in 2 months, hurray. I must listen to this one some time.
I'm actually not embarassed by this one and will post it soon.
Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear
Gooddog, how was the pizza?
Ha!Ha! I actually stopped practicing long enough to cook. Stir fried chicken, tofu, vegies and peanuts with lots of garlic and spicy black bean sauce. The house smells wonderful!
Okay, sorry, now I am going to practice quoting until something works...
gooddog - well done on a P&F in 2 months, hurray. I must listen to this one some time.
I'm actually not embarassed by this one and will post it soon.
I look forward to it Practising fugue: using metronome constantly - all loud, staccato, rhythms, reverse rythms, other ritms, HS, slow, super-slow, fast segments... Everything but playing it fully. It's all exercises to allow the music to come back better in a few days. I'm trying not to give in to temptation to play through for pleasure. I've noticed that whenever I have a major flub it is where LH is either fast or tricky. So I should work more on getting the LH extra strong in the fugue.
Similar work on Prelude as well. All in preparation for student performance on tues for my teacher.
Now I'd better attend to the Haydn (with Cinnamonbear's useful hints in mind (see Kulau thread )
[start vent]Banged my way through Beethoven's An die ferne geliebte, listened to the people in the other practice rooms around me playing stuff I could never play in a million years, and then quit in frustration.[end vent]
I bet that most of those people around you would struggle with An die ferne geliebte for expressive - as opposed to 'impressive' - reasons.
It's a wonderful piece with it's own interpretive difficulties. I hope that you're back to work on it by the time you read this........
You're right. It is actually programmed on a recital I am giving on Sunday, so I have to keep practicing it. Today didn't lead to frustration, so that is good.
yesterday, or the day before, I played thru the 1st four preludes and fugues of WTC I. I already know these (I should really be playing fugue #4.. the passion fugue.. that one is pretty hard and today is actually the day for it.. I did make it through it ok. but is sounds like carp. That's what I'll practice if I play anything.
Well i finished Albeniz' Cordoba so i'm just polishing that off really.
He's one of my favorite composers! I played some from the Iberia suite several years ago.
I've had my new piano for about a week and have been putting it to use! Today I worked on Mozart Sonata K533 and some Ravel (Menuet from Le tombeau de Couperin).
My recital program for tomorrow. For the first bit I set an alarm every 5 minutes. My aim was to reduce unnecessary tension in my playing, so I used the alarm as a reminder. Everytime it went off I made another check to see if I was holding anything, as well I was determined not to let tension creep back in between the alarms. It really is amazing how much cleaner playing becomes while doing that. After a while I started to lose focus, and I realized that I needed to take a break. i think I'll continue using this practice strategy.
I'd be curious to know how the alarm works for you.
The recital was fun, mostly, and for now I'm happy with how it came out (we'll see later if the recording or my professor changes my opinion). Not everything came out the way I wanted it to, but I wasn't very nervous so I could just appreciate being able to play on a very nice piano.
BTW - thanks ChopinAddict for the encouragement above.
I'd be curious to know how the alarm works for you.
The recital was fun, mostly, and for now I'm happy with how it came out (we'll see later if the recording or my professor changes my opinion). Not everything came out the way I wanted it to, but I wasn't very nervous so I could just appreciate being able to play on a very nice piano.
I'm so glad it went well!
I haven't had a chance to try to alarm but I think I'll have to set it off every 30 seconds for the first few sessions!
My recital program for tomorrow. For the first bit I set an alarm every 5 minutes. My aim was to reduce unnecessary tension in my playing, so I used the alarm as a reminder. Everytime it went off I made another check to see if I was holding anything, as well I was determined not to let tension creep back in between the alarms. It really is amazing how much cleaner playing becomes while doing that. After a while I started to lose focus, and I realized that I needed to take a break. i think I'll continue using this practice strategy.
Today I practiced my trills, and then worked on both Bach Inventions (No. 4 & 13), the Grieg Nocturne Op. 54, and Haydn Hob. XVI:7. I made a lot of progress on these pieces today!
I also did some Pictures at an Exhibition. It's a masterpiece that has really grown on me.
Tomorrow, I forsee myself practicing the Alkan Barcarolle in G Minor Op. 65 No. 6 and the Nocturne in B Major Op. 22. The Barcarolle is "simple", but it opens up a vast, vast world of music to explore, I feel.
Practiced the same stuff in my sig today, had a lesson. The recital should be fun, I'm a freshman at a university and am splitting a program with an other freshman who's playing Debussy's Image I and Schumann's Piano Sonata in G Minor.
Practiced the same stuff in my sig today, had a lesson. The recital should be fun, I'm a freshman at a university and am splitting a program with an other freshman who's playing Debussy's Image I and Schumann's Piano Sonata in G Minor.
I had a performance class at my teacher's studio last night. Went much better than last year's classes. I am still a little in awe of these teenagers who can play so much "hard" stuff, but I didn't let it make my playing apologetic - that's an improvement.
The last few days practice have been in preparation for this class: prepared my Bach P&F and Haydn sonate in particular, and prepared a lot of easier shorter pieces as well - Grieg(2 pieces), Skriabin, Schumann(2), Bach(2).
From today I'll be preparing the rest of my current pieces for next perf class (while trying not to be overwhelmed by working on more pieces than i'm used to).
Hey survivordan I performed 2 from your list last night (Invention 13 and Grieg waltz)
Not like a detailed masterclass, more just performance practise and a chance to see how much work is needed on one's pieces. Having said that there was some specific feedback and discussion and a few times she got students to repeat a piece. One student has some definite tension issues - I can now see what ppl are talking about when they endlessly worry about tension - it hampered her playing for sure. The upside for me was the realisation that my physical set-up and use is good and relaxed enough (at the moment anyway).
It was quite relaxed by the end, we were laughing at some things and telling performance anecdotes. I threw my arms into the air at the end of my fugue - just to get through was a Major Life Achievement - there were no holes until one right near the end (a few miss-hit notes along the way).
I didn't get much (any?) feedback except sometimes to note which pieces were better since last lesson. We'll save details for lessons no doubt.
Last night began to work up on my Poulenc waltz in C major (learnt notes a while ago) - it's fun to work on a piece where the composer is deliberately humorous. It's quite hilarious. Today will work on the Poulenc and Brahms intermezzo 76/4, maybe some tidying of the Haydn which is still very uneven.
Working on my summer "debut" recital, and college auditions: 1. Rachmaninoff Op 23 No. 5 2. Liszt La Campanella (started about 3 days ago, have 3/4 of it in my hands and about 1/2 memorized) 3. Beethoven Hammerklavier (just began with my teacher) 4. Chopin Ocean Etude 5. Chopin Revolutionary Etude 6. Rachmaninoff Moments Musical No. 6 7. Debussy Ballade 8. Czerny School of Velocity studies
Mendelssohn Variations Serieuses.. started it 2 days ago, so happy, and Liszt b minor.. almost learned the Mendelssohn (yay! the Presto is left), and the Liszt is FINALLY getting to be fast.. just need to practice octaves more.
I started to develop strain in my arm a few days ago so I did no practice today. Feel guilty...
Don't feel guilty about not practicing when your body needs a rest. If anything, feel guilty about developing the strain in the first place, and then do something differently when you go back to practicing so that you don't have this problem in the future! (Not sure I want to advocate guilty feelings, but I certainly want to advocate proactiveness)
My playing sounds like crap. I performed in front of two informal groups last week and fumbled, had memory lapses and unsuccessfully fought tension, (except maybe the Bach). Will I ever sound like I want to? Maybe I won't practice today.
Ah Deborah, I think it takes we-who-are-not-22 longer to master the act of performing. But I try to believe that we'll get there eventually. As my exam looms I worry about this. How on earth will I learn all this music and have it ready to go? How will I stay positive about the things that don't go so well? All you (and I) really need to achieve is to sound better than before. Take a moment to congratulate yourself on what went well (the Bach?) and ditch the rest. Enjoy your day off.
feebee and others, look after your tools with care. Must remember to have a long walk up a hill before practising today - I need it! Pogo - hope those octaves are very relaxed with a healthy bounce.
Yesterday I practised my Brahms 76/4 - now I am Really Learning it (now that bach and haydn under control), also bringing up delightful Beethoven allegretto and trio from 14 no1 (another on my easier exam list). Apart from the large number of pieces there is actually something quite pleasant about having a group of easier pieces to play in between the ones that really challenge me.
Prelude & Fugue for today: C# minor, book II Glazounov saxophone concerto. How I wish there was a halfway legible edition of this! Messiah. Yeah, all of it. (well, I didn't actually practise all of it, but I have to play all of it very soon so I homed in on the tricky bits...) Milhaud - Scaramouche (sax & piano version). Lots of Rossini & Bellini arias. Webern: Dies ist ein Lied für dich allein Messiaen: Harawi, first song. Quite suddenly I have too much to do in too little time...
My playing sounds like crap. I performed in front of two informal groups last week and fumbled, had memory lapses and unsuccessfully fought tension, (except maybe the Bach). Will I ever sound like I want to? Maybe I won't practice today.
That's normal if you haven't done it much.. the more you do it, the more you control these things (doesn't mean it will be perfect, but still!)
I practiced, hmm.. Mendelssohn variations again, learned it finally, but some of the variations are a bit slow. I don't want to push it yet, though. The fingerings need to sink in.. Beethoven op. 109, I felt like such a moron for mixing up the rhythm in an entire bar, arghhhhhhhh. For about 15 mins I kept playing the wrong rhythm and wondering why I was missing a beat....... such an idiot.
Beethoven op. 109, I felt like such a moron for mixing up the rhythm in an entire bar, arghhhhhhhh. For about 15 mins I kept playing the wrong rhythm and wondering why I was missing a beat....... such an idiot.
If it's from one of the slow sections in the first movement, that's pretty understandable....
Today I practiced a bunch of choir accompaniment pieces because we have a concert tonight. After that I will practice Grieg piano concerto first movement (mostly the cadenza)and some Bach French Suite for juries on Thursday. The time is coming very soon when I will have new music to work on!
Today I worked on beginning each of my pieces--breathing, focus, tempo, tone absolutely solid from the beginning. The Chopin is such a challenge to start!
I broke down the two pages of octaves in the middle of the Chopin, practicing them in different groupings, mastering the contradictory floating arm motion with the gripping fingertip. I spent a while working with an audio recorder on the opening section, playing each phrase in at least three different ways and then listening back and evaluating the interpretations.
I worked on the first movement of the Poulenc, again trying to integrate weight with fingertip control on the lyrical middle section. In an effort to smooth out the voicing, I played the sections marked piano or pianissimo at fortissimo instead. This was effective to point out the spots (which are sadly rather numerous) where my fingertips didn't transfer weight, resulting in a lost melody note.
Throughout, I experimented with thinking about the moment instead of what was coming up. I don't think I've found the balance yet, but I saw some encouraging signs.
I'm currently making my way through the second Prokofiev sonata after a little absence from it. I have also begun Bach's Italien Concerto which is pretty fun.
Chopin, Scherzo #2 and last movement of "Moonlight" Sonata. Trying to push the tempo of the Beethoven, just a little, without losing control. For the Chopin trying to get that page with the rolled chords and octaves at a decent tempo and those wide stretches in the left hand at the very end of the 3rd repeat of the con anima section a little more accurate. Need both ready for jury & soph proficiency this Friday.
I probably won't get alot of practise in today, I will be doing some major studying for my history 1 exam next week. Had a lesson today though. All of my pieces for the gr 8 exam are coming together. Aside from exam pieces I am practising Beethoven's sonata in Fmin, I'm only on the first pg and the tempo and accents need alot of work, but i've learned the notes and can play through the first page pretty smoothly.
Chopin, Scherzo #2 and last movement of "Moonlight" Sonata. Trying to push the tempo of the Beethoven, just a little, without losing control. For the Chopin trying to get that page with the rolled chords and octaves at a decent tempo and those wide stretches in the left hand at the very end of the 3rd repeat of the con anima section a little more accurate. Need both ready for jury & soph proficiency this Friday.
Good luck!!!
Originally Posted by 3pianists
Today I worked on beginning each of my pieces--breathing, focus, tempo, tone absolutely solid from the beginning. The Chopin is such a challenge to start!
I broke down the two pages of octaves in the middle of the Chopin, practicing them in different groupings, mastering the contradictory floating arm motion with the gripping fingertip. I spent a while working with an audio recorder on the opening section, playing each phrase in at least three different ways and then listening back and evaluating the interpretations.
I worked on the first movement of the Poulenc, again trying to integrate weight with fingertip control on the lyrical middle section. In an effort to smooth out the voicing, I played the sections marked piano or pianissimo at fortissimo instead. This was effective to point out the spots (which are sadly rather numerous) where my fingertips didn't transfer weight, resulting in a lost melody note.
Throughout, I experimented with thinking about the moment instead of what was coming up. I don't think I've found the balance yet, but I saw some encouraging signs.
All that took about 1.75 hours. Good times!
Wow, you were really productive. Unlike me, most of the time.
Beethoven Trio Op. 1 No. 3 1st movement and performed it earlier this evening.
How did your performance go? Well, i hope.
Yeah, it went well! The piano wasn't good at all, but you get what you get, and we still had a great time playing it. I find that I am not under nearly as much stress doing chamber music as I am with solo music. It's a lot more fun to play, I loooove interacting with the other musicians, there is a wider variety of colors that can be produced, and it's just great! I will be learning the rest of the trio this summer (3rd and 4th movements, we did 1st and 2nd this semester), and I also want to learn the Brahms horn trio Op. 40.
Nothing, unfortunately. I have so little time for practice now with me putting in over 60 hours a week at the office. I'm too tired at night to practice and way too tired on the weekend to do anything. This is what happens when you get old. In the old days, I used to work 60-plus hours, took piano lessons, and even did some performances.
Anyway I hope to get some practice in soon(TM) when things settle down at work. I love practicing and playing, but the brain doesn't work well when I'm tired.
Today, I worked on the opening measures of the finale of Brahms horn trio, and then I started working various passages of Brahms concerto 1. For tomorrow, I will have a much better game plan and hopefully get much more done!
Today, I worked on the opening measures of the finale of Brahms horn trio, and then I started working various passages of Brahms concerto 1. For tomorrow, I will have a much better game plan and hopefully get much more done!
That's a really nice piece. I love chamber music as well. I agree it's a lot easier to play than being exposed as a soloist.
I heard this in concert a year or so ago. The pianist played a Streicher piano from 1868 and the horn player played a natural horn dating back to the same period. This was a totally different sound than you'd expect because the piano didn't over power the rest of the trio, and the horn was also more subtle and also blended better.
Can't wait for juries and sophprof to be over. OT, got a B+ in Aural Performance Final, so it looks like I will pass Aural IV with a B/B+. I am ecstatic. Aural theory, especially IV has to be the hardest thing I've ever accomplished, except for maybe this Scherzo. (Back to practice.)
Can't wait for juries and sophprof to be over. OT, got a B+ in Aural Performance Final, so it looks like I will pass Aural IV with a B/B+. I am ecstatic. Aural theory, especially IV has to be the hardest thing I've ever accomplished, except for maybe this Scherzo. (Back to practice.)
That's awesome! I had an awful time with the Aural studies. I couldn't get the Do, Re, Mi to come out right, or say them correctly when they were mixed up! Besides, I sounded like a dead frog when I tried to sing. It probably didn't help that the class was at 8:00 am! The brain isn't usually connected to anything at that hour, let alone trying to do a music lesson.
So far, I spent almost 2 hours working on the Alkan Sonate de Concert 1st movement, and have put a good dent in it. It's going to be quite an undertaking, but I've got the summer to learn it and it will be quite fun once I put it together with my friend.
I also spent a few minutes reviewing what I did yesterday on the Brahms Horn Trio last movement. Something tells me I'll learn this piece a WHOLE lot quicker than I will the Alkan, hehe...
-Brahms Horn Trio Op. 40 4th movement (first section is starting to take shape) -Mozart Sonata in D Major K. 311 1st movement (WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE SO HARD ALRIUHARLGUHAELRUHALEIURHGLAREIUHFLAERIUHGLAIUREHGLIAUERHGLIAUREGLH) -Alkan Sonate de Concert Op. 47 1st movement (It will take a while, but slow metronome practice will do the trick. In fact, that's what I will do with all three of these)
Funny you should mention that. I often recall these skits when my practicing is going bad: I'll never get it
my practicing today consisted of working through Cortot's exercises for a few Chopin etudes. We'll see if they are actually useful in a few weeks. I also played slowly through the Faure violin sonata to refresh where I left off a few weeks ago.
Also worked through Scriabin's op.11 no. 11. It's finally coming together quite well, though still need to work through shading and phrasing.
Gretchen am Spinnrade....is still awkward, I need to find better fingerings or grow another finger on my right hand, because it's not working...I also practiced the 6th Hungarian Rhapsody, the octaves and presto sections are getting more clean..
Brahms 76/4, Beethoven 14/1 2nd movement, Bach prelude 847 - even fingers even fingers even fingers (!)
Ok so today I must finally make a committment to definitely choose the last piece on my exam list. Discussed with teacher yesterday... and we came to a choice. Arrrrggghhhh but today I'm second guessing the choice again - needs to be easy to learn in a short time. The best choice probably IS Schoenberg (a few selections from op 19) but neither of us have the music on hand right now... and it's time to choose now. She thought Albeniz would be best - I have played through the notes, explored a bit, but no flow at all yet.
So I'm go to get seriously stuck into Albeniz Malaguena. ....just checked suggested tempo in my book, Oh Dear!
The "extra list" choices in ameb do not need to be prepared to the level of the main list choices, so a weeeee bit under tempo I hope get away with. And besides the examiner may ask to hear the Debussy instead :P
No practice today other than warming up for juries and sophomore proficiency, both of which I passed. The semester is over and I am officially a junior. New rep: Schubert 664, Muczynski Desperate Measures, and looking at maybe doing some Bach & a couple Rachmaninoff Preludes and bringing up the Scherzo to performance level for a Junior Recital. But tonight is for a well-deserved drink. Tomorrow: start learning notes.
Since it was my birthday today I was too busy celebrating with friends and family. But, tomorrow I will go back to practicing the last movement of the Moonlight Sonata, Rachmaninoff's Moment Musicaux number 4 and Bach's Prelude and Fugue number 2 and 3 (but the Bach is only a review; I learned them already a few years ago).
Don't you love to review old things and make them sound even better than before?
Don't you love to review old things and make them sound even better than before?
Yes!
Today I did one very final review of the Bach for the recital tonight. Planning on some pre-recital mental practice, too. I'm really pleased with how well this piece has come along - con't wait for the perfromance tonight.
Also working on church music for next week, and soon I need to start the Haydn and the Grieg Arietta for a masterclass next weekend.
Actually, I'm finding #3 a bit tougher. Maybe because with #6, I feel that I can generate excitement without playing too fast; but with #3, with its middle-section's crazy mad-dash through three keys, I'd love to crank it up. By the time I get to the LH tenths, I get *very* tired...
Nothing. Absolutely zilch. And what's more, nothing yesterday either. Yesterday my kids visited for Mothers' Day, and today (which is actually Mothers' Day) we visited mum-in-law in hospital. No time until now (5.30pm), and I'm too tired. I'll do lots tomorrow.
I hope posting my plan here makes me practice more efficiently 0900-1000 Daily Alfred Cortot Exercise 1000-1100 Mozart Piano Concerto 23 (1st movement) - solidify fingerings (I have just changed them) 1100-1200 Mozart PC 23 (3rd) - same as above 1200-1300 Break 1300-1330 Beethoven 81a (2nd mvt) - re-learn 1330-1430 Liszt Sonetto 104 - re-learn + polish the first page 1430-1530 Bee 81a (1st)- re-learn + polish 1530-1630 Prokofiev Romeo and Juliet before parting - re-learn 1630-1730 Bee 81a (3rd) - re-learn (esp. recap+coda) 1730- (if I am still alive) New pieces!! Ravel Jeux d'eau, Liszt La Leggierezza
Apparently I have abandoned my school work and public EXAMS!!!!!!!!
[censored]! It is 0905 now, I better make a run to the practice room :S
Apparently I have abandoned my school works and public exams
I hope posting my plan here makes me practice more efficiently 0900-1000 Daily Alfred Cortot Exercise 1000-1100 Mozart Piano Concerto 23 (1st movement) - solidify fingerings (I have just changed them) 1100-1200 Mozart PC 23 (3rd) - same as above 1200-1300 Break 1300-1330 Beethoven 81a (2nd mvt) - re-learn 1330-1430 Liszt Sonetto 104 - re-learn + polish the first page 1430-1530 Bee 81a (1st)- re-learn + polish 1530-1630 Prokofiev Romeo and Juliet before parting - re-learn 1630-1730 Bee 81a (3rd) - re-learn (esp. recap+coda) 1730- (if I am still alive) New pieces!! Ravel Jeux d'eau, Liszt La Leggierezza
Apparently I have abandoned my school work and public EXAMS!!!!!!!!
[censored]! It is 0905 now, I better make a run to the practice room :S
Apparently I have abandoned my school works and public exams
All I have to say is WOW! More than nine (almost) straight hours of practice. I envy you, but at the same time I don't .
I hope posting my plan here makes me practice more efficiently 0900-1000 Daily Alfred Cortot Exercise 1000-1100 Mozart Piano Concerto 23 (1st movement) - solidify fingerings (I have just changed them) 1100-1200 Mozart PC 23 (3rd) - same as above 1200-1300 Break 1300-1330 Beethoven 81a (2nd mvt) - re-learn 1330-1430 Liszt Sonetto 104 - re-learn + polish the first page 1430-1530 Bee 81a (1st)- re-learn + polish 1530-1630 Prokofiev Romeo and Juliet before parting - re-learn 1630-1730 Bee 81a (3rd) - re-learn (esp. recap+coda) 1730- (if I am still alive) New pieces!! Ravel Jeux d'eau, Liszt La Leggierezza
Apparently I have abandoned my school work and public EXAMS!!!!!!!!
[censored]! It is 0905 now, I better make a run to the practice room :S
Apparently I have abandoned my school works and public exams
All I have to say is WOW! More than nine (almost) straight hours of practice. I envy you, but at the same time I don't .
There's nothing to envy about - I don't need that much if my practice is efficient enough. I am a slow practicer
I hope posting my plan here makes me practice more efficiently 0900-1000 Daily Alfred Cortot Exercise 1000-1100 Mozart Piano Concerto 23 (1st movement) - solidify fingerings (I have just changed them) 1100-1200 Mozart PC 23 (3rd) - same as above 1200-1300 Break 1300-1330 Beethoven 81a (2nd mvt) - re-learn 1330-1430 Liszt Sonetto 104 - re-learn + polish the first page 1430-1530 Bee 81a (1st)- re-learn + polish 1530-1630 Prokofiev Romeo and Juliet before parting - re-learn 1630-1730 Bee 81a (3rd) - re-learn (esp. recap+coda) 1730- (if I am still alive) New pieces!! Ravel Jeux d'eau, Liszt La Leggierezza
Apparently I have abandoned my school work and public EXAMS!!!!!!!!
[censored]! It is 0905 now, I better make a run to the practice room :S
Apparently I have abandoned my school works and public exams
All I have to say is WOW! More than nine (almost) straight hours of practice. I envy you, but at the same time I don't .
There's nothing to envy about - I don't need that much if my practice is efficient enough. I am a slow practicer
Me too (concerning slow ( = efficient) practice.
Anyhow, today I practiced all kinds of church music for my (second) accompanying debut this Sunday.
I am having the most wonderful day! (I took the day off from work). It's 12:30 pm and I've already practiced about 3 hours. My lesson is at 4 so I can still get in a few more hours before then and take my son out to lunch. I worked on Brahms' Rhapsody (Op 119) and Bach P&F Bk 1 F#. I feel fantastic. My emotional happiness is deeply tied to my piano time. Ahhhh.
I am having the most wonderful day! (I took the day off from work). It's 12:30 pm and I've already practiced about 3 hours. My lesson is at 4 so I can still get in a few more hours before then and take my son out to lunch. I worked on Brahms' Rhapsody (Op 119) and Bach P&F Bk 1 F#. I feel fantastic. My emotional happiness is deeply tied to my piano time. Ahhhh.
What a glorious feeling! I think every one of us has these moments sometimes. Enjoy it!
I am having the most wonderful day! (I took the day off from work). It's 12:30 pm and I've already practiced about 3 hours. My lesson is at 4 so I can still get in a few more hours before then and take my son out to lunch. I worked on Brahms' Rhapsody (Op 119) and Bach P&F Bk 1 F#. I feel fantastic. My emotional happiness is deeply tied to my piano time. Ahhhh.
How i long for a day off of work! But i have the bad feeling that when Sunday finally arrives i'll be spending my only day off sleeping.
I'm experimenting these days with short "micro-blasts" of concentrated practice. I've started learning my last three Schumann Davidsbundlertanze (#7-9 from Book I). I just spend an hour regimented into 20 minute chunks, one for each piece.
I can't believe how fast it went; it literally felt like 10 minutes.
More effective than Macroblasts - although I couldn't do without them! <slightly nerdy humour>
Ok I'm going to micro-blast the Brahms today. Actually I've made a list of tasks to achieve before sunday performance class - all very specific and perfectly suited to micro-blasting, keeping a log and being efficient. Also walking the dogs or drinking tea in between.
I'm glad you had such a lovely piano day Deborah, how was your lesson?
I'm glad you had such a lovely piano day Deborah, how was your lesson?
It was a great lesson. We spent about 20 minutes on some of the phrasing and dyamics in the Bach. He said it's sounding good but he's nitpicking so I can make it really good.
He liked the phrasing I had worked into the first 3 pages of the Brahms and helped me refine it. We also worked on ways to overcome some of the hand-size problems I having, mostly by pushing my hands toward the fallboard and keeping relaxed and close to the keys. We discussed how to best handle the hemiolas. It was a fun lesson as usual.
Wow, Deborah, I am jealous. I am cramming for exams so barely practising at all. Maybe 15 minutes a day to keep my chops up. I promised to go to my teacher's concert later this month so I am looking forward to that. I've never seen him perform before - should be enlightening!
I have been so busy practicing church accompanist music that I have hardly been working on my regular repertoire at all! But today during my lesson I played through my entire masterclass/workshop program twice for my teacher (this weekend I'm playing in a masterclass with a local university piano professor). The program consists of:
HAYDN: Sonata in C Majot Hob. XVI:7 BACH: Invention No. 4 in d minor GRIEG: Arietta Op. 12 No. 1 GRANADOS: Valses Poeticos No. 3
I have got a concert next week, a VERY IMPORTANT audition (which I am still not ready) in a fortnight. But my both hands (especially left wrist) are suddenly in pain yesterday with no reason. I maybe doing slow, gentle practice only or even have a day off today
Sounds like a good lesson Deborah And best of luck to s'dan for the masterclass - I'm looking forward to your report.
I'm practising for a small performance class with my teacher (same deal as the one I did a few weeks ago). I'll be trying out the Brahms for the first time - it still needs quite a bit of work, still not reliable or up to tempo. And I'll be using the score! I noticed last time that performing things that are not quite ready (just for each other and the teacher) was surprisingly useful. You become more relaxed with the piece, more confident (having got thru once already) and you get a very good idea of exactly what work needs to be done.
Tomorrow I'll also perform my Poulenc waltz, then maybe my Haydn, Beethoven, Bach P&F, but not Schoenberg since I only got the music at yesterday's lesson and haven't looked at it since.
I had a public performance last night, but I couldn't practise because it was all improvised. Which seems to be very good for my performing in general. All that faking and fudging is very good training!
New stuff! I learned the first page of Mozart sonata #12 in f major, worked on some of the first piece from Prokofiev's op 4, and worked on Liszt's transcription of Widmung. I'm about to go do it all again in a minute.
I thought I'd bump this thread again to see what you're all up to. I kind of fell off the bandwagon piano-wise for a few months after my last performance because of some pretty big exams. I looked at Chopin Op. 10 No. 1 again after quite a few months (I tentatively signed up for jazzwee's study group). It was going nowhere and still feels really awkward for my right hand - on the fence whether to continue it or not.
I looked at Chopin Op. 10 No. 1 again after quite a few months
Oh, you too? I tried this one a couple summers ago, failed, and now am (was) reattempting it. At least the two pages I had previously worked on seem a bit easier now. Unfortunately, I think I sprained the middle finger in my LH while playing piano and haven't practiced in a week This etude should still be playable with my sprained finger, so I may try again although being injured is very depressing.
I looked at Chopin Op. 10 No. 1 again after quite a few months
Oh, you too? I tried this one a couple summers ago, failed, and now am (was) reattempting it. At least the two pages I had previously worked on seem a bit easier now. Unfortunately, I think I sprained the middle finger in my LH while playing piano and haven't practiced in a week This etude should still be playable with my sprained finger, so I may try again although being injured is very depressing.
Yeah, I was tempted by all those threads that popped up about it. The thing is (IMO) it's not a particularly lovely piece so I haven't been motivated to work on it. The bit that I have done on it has convinced me of its great difficulty.
Still working on Brahms Rhapsody opus 119 - up to page 5 now. It's really coming along.
Fiddling around with the Waldstein. My teacher wants me to have a decent grasp of the first part so he can give me some pointers for the development before he leaves on vacation for month. I feel like I'm rushing it, but I want his advice so I don't go feral with it.
Practicing the Adagio section of Beethoven's Sonata #1. I've been working on the various movements out of order, saved this one for last. I wasn't sure I'd like it, but it's growing on me.
Worked on memorizing the last few pages of Feux Follets, while working at Wilde Jagd and a bit of Ricordanza. Ran through older pieces; the Allemande and Bourrees from the first English Suite, third movement of the Moonlight Sonata, Reflets dans l'eau and Mouvement from Images I. As well as the arrangement of "Bridge Over Troubled Water" that my old high school choir is singing for graduation this week.
...and I realize, I have to get cracking on finishing up writing my piano suite- I hope to present that to an old friend at graduation.
One Major scale (4 octaves, eighth notes, contrary motion, and chord inversions) Short and long arpeggios Czerny Op.740, No. 37
Practice session:
Sonata I. (Mozart)--Working on quality and speed, to put it briefly! 45 quality minutes on exposition alone and a half hour on development and recapitulation.
Nocturne Op. 9, No. 1 (Chopin)--First page, both hands. I'm still working on those odd eighth note groupings. I'm still a long way from worrying about dynamics; I'm just trying to get the notes down.
Productive day? You bet! I'm not spreading myself out too thin, right? I'm looking forward to next week's lesson.
Thank you both for your interest I didn't have the energy last night, and i was still trying things out.
I believe she showed me Cortot warm up exercises. I should do a search and possibly start a thread if it's not been discussed. I can only describe them as Piano Yoga. I was so surprised that this sort of warm up even existed. But it made so much sense and had an immediate positive effect - a more limber, sensitive, responsive, flexible and relaxed hand. My guess is that it was something I really needed so YMMV. She said that the way I was playing was fine for up to now, but with this next lot of repertoire it's time for some new hand usage.
The excercises were not about sound (much) so you couldn't notate them really. Do you (Deb and FI) have familiarity with what I am discussing? There was: falling off the keys, sliding back and forth, whooshing from top to bottom notes (no sound), and some interesting single finger waving in different directions (no notes). Difficult to describe in words.
She also taught me a martellato stroke for staccato - a vertical poking that is strong and accurate, and surprisingly well sounding! Then we applied some of this to the Haydn and I was able to get more contrast in sound between dolce and stormy, found more ability to get lyrical sound between the accented bits.
She reintroduced me to that feeling where playing is "as easy as stroking a cat" (a quote from a well known pianist here). I used to have it before I started with my current teacher and began working hard to develop a technique. I could only play things that were easy. By the end of the lesson I had the cat-pat feeling for the some hard passages. This is challenging in Haydn because of the intensity, the spikes and surprises and sudden accents. Wow - a very special revelation and gives me confidence to go to the next level (and sign up for the next exam ) because all I have to do is play every part like it is super easy. As a former dancer all this made sense, and is worth it's weight in gold.
.... By the end of the lesson I had the cat-pat feeling for the some hard passages. This is challenging in Haydn because of the intensity, the spikes and surprises and sudden accents. Wow - a very special revelation and gives me confidence to go to the next level (and sign up for the next exam ) because all I have to do is play every part like it is super easy. As a former dancer all this made sense, and is worth it's weight in gold........
Glad to hear all that......I'm also always glad to hear of teachers and coaches who know exactly what a pianist needs in order to progress - at whatever stage of their development......(sad to say, there are some who lack this - even after multiple lessons with a student!)......Congrats!!
The excercises were not about sound (much) so you couldn't notate them really. Do you (Deb and FI) have familiarity with what I am discussing? There was: falling off the keys, sliding back and forth, whooshing from top to bottom notes (no sound), and some interesting single finger waving in different directions (no notes). Difficult to describe in words.
It sounds a little like what my teacher has been asking me to do. It's hard to describe but it involves hand and arm momentum and finger placement before playing the note.
.... By the end of the lesson I had the cat-pat feeling for the some hard passages. This is challenging in Haydn because of the intensity, the spikes and surprises and sudden accents. Wow - a very special revelation and gives me confidence to go to the next level (and sign up for the next exam ) because all I have to do is play every part like it is super easy. As a former dancer all this made sense, and is worth it's weight in gold........
Glad to hear all that......I'm also always glad to hear of teachers and coaches who know exactly what a pianist needs in order to progress - at whatever stage of their development......(sad to say, there are some who lack this - even after multiple lessons with a student!)......Congrats!!
Thank you! Watching her teach others in the masterclass, I could tell she was an excellent teacher - choosing a way of working with each student as well as choosing the material of the lesson. She didn't just fix the pieces. The first thing she worked on with me was my tendency to stumble and stutter - which is the biggest thing bringing down my playing at this time.
I bet you are a good teacher Gerard12.
Deborah, had a bit of a search yesterday, didn't find much yet. What I'd really like is another lesson on the cortot daily gymnastics so that I can remember and understand them all. I am trying to apply some feelings movements and techniques as I begin to learn....wait for it..... My New P&F
Bach P&F Fmin, book II. I am so happy to begin learning this even though I won't be able to get a lesson on it for 2 weeks (I had to email my teacher to make sure I new which notes were short and whether to apply appogiatura throughout - pretty happy that I got it right in both cases.
Hi Canonie, I'm not familiar with the Cortot exercises that you mention. Your description doesn't plant a clear mental picture either. Too bad you didn't videotape the class! Anyhow, glad it's working out for you.
Thanks I have found the exercise if anyone wants to look. It's the Daily Keyboard Gymnastics that constitutes the "piano yoga" I was shown. The whole book is available here to download: Cortot's Rational Principles of Pianoforte Technique She showed me all of these so I can understand the text. It might be quite baffling otherwise. Deborah or others, if want to ask about these exercises I'll start a thread.
After searching for years and years, I finally received a copy of Otto Nicolai's Etude 'Gruss An Liszt' Op.40 No.3!!! What a joy to practice such an exquisite piece of music.
I've been spending a lot of time working out my interpretation of Bortkiewicz's Etude in Db Op.15 No.8; tempo, phrasing, rubato, dynamics, and paying attention to the spaces between the notes. I think I've found a good tempo now, faster than Katsaris's but slower than Koji's. It allows the piece to breathe but is fast enough so that it sounds like an etude. (Playing it with the tremendous burst of virtuosity that Lewenthal does is beyond me.) Again, what a joy to play such a gorgeous piece of music; certainly one of the most romantic and beautiful etudes ever.
Dannylux, your delight is palpable and contagious!
School ended last Wednesday and I've been reveling in the extra practice time. I lost count of how many hours I practiced today, but I loved every minute of it.
I'm working on refining the expression in Brahm's Intermezzo Opus 119 in C major. Bach's P&F in F# major, WTC Book 1 is very secure but not memorized. I'm going to play both the Brahms and Bach at the recitals at piano camp but I'll have to use the music for the Bach.
I'm still working on Brahms' Opus 119 Rhapsody. I think it's the hardest piece I've ever tried. I'm still working on page 5. It's so mysterious and anticipatory. I'm also concentrating on technique and expression with the first 4 pages of the Waldstein. The LH tremolos in thirds are just not even and together yet. I find the Beethoven much easier to understand and express than the Brahms but both are difficult in their own way.
My goal is to have the Brahms Rhapsody learned to the end and ready for critique by the time my teacher returns from vacation at the end of July. I also would like to have the first movement of the Waldstein mapped out and reasonably fluid for the same reason.
Well, where have you been!?* I did a double take (if that's possible electronically) because I can't remember seeing that someone plays Keith Humble here before.
*You've probably been shopping for pianos, that's my best guess. Welcome to PC (although it sometimes isn't).
I love this thread. Maybe it's because it gives me validation for the hard work I put into my practicing and the joy I get out of it.
It's only 12:20 p.m. and I've already put in over 3 hours. Same music: Brahms 119 #2, #3 and Rhapsody, Waldstein.
My teacher is trying to get me to loosen up and open myself to taking what feel like interpretive risks. It's exciting and a bit scary at the same time. The Rhapsody is beginning to come together and I feel like my interpretion is blooming and making better sense. I'm exploring more dynamic range and liking what I hear. Page 5 and the top of page 6 of the Rhapsody are memorized but still not completely stable. There are some really luscious chords on page 6 that I can't wait to get to.
I love summers!! Only 3 more days until I leave for Piano Camp!!
I have not practiced in two weeks because of non music summer courses. I HATE my school!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't feel human anymore. I miss playing so much!
Pogo, with all due respect, I really think some non music courses can do you some good. For example, just as you think emotional experience can help you with your music, so can other kinds of experiences like exposure to other forms of thinking and other fields of study. Just saying.. Btw how many courses are you taking? I'm curious because I'm sure you would try to sneak in at least an hour or two of practice if you could no matter how hard times are.. so are you taking too many courses this summer?
No. I hate school. It's an evil corporation designed for business - another way of taking money from people. I have 12 hours of class, two courses - that plus the numerous books for readings and work leaves me too braindead to practice productively. But I have to do it to graduate...... I'm about to write my last exam.
No. I hate school. It's an evil corporation designed for business - another way of taking money from people. I have 12 hours of class, two courses - that plus the numerous books for readings and work leaves me too braindead to practice productively. But I have to do it to graduate...... I'm about to write my last exam.
Well, it depends on the courses. The courses that you guys are made to take are probably boring ones (required non-major courses almost always are boring ones). Most people hate school..there's something seriously rotten about the whole thing, I agree. Good luck for the exam.
No we could choose from literally hundreds of courses, it wasn't specified. I completed an English minor for the helll of it, so I took 8 English courses.. Tried psychology and astronomy and failed the latter... Still it's ridiculous. Oh well I am now a free woman!!! Officially DONE!
No we could choose from literally hundreds of courses, it wasn't specified. I completed an English minor for the helll of it, so I took 8 English courses.. Tried psychology and astronomy and failed the latter... Still it's ridiculous. Oh well I am now a free woman!!! Officially DONE!
Ravel Concerto in G (I decided to pull it back out for a concerto competition here at Brevard) Schubert Impromptu Op. 142 No. 2 (I love that piece so much) Saint-Saens Etude en Forme de Valse Op. 52 No. 6 (Yes, my teacher said I could take a crack at it and see if I can handle it... I think I can, let's hope I'm right)
A handful of R.Strauss songs. Some Spanish songs for an upcoming concert. Bach P&F for the day: E flat, book I Some pieces by Margaret Sutherland - trying to decide which to play for the Unsung Heroes e-cital.
Angelina, does this mean you are done, as in done, done? I thought you were going on to another school? (Congrats by the way.)
I am going to another (and SO MUCH BETTER) school - but it will be a conservatory. I am DONE with universities..... god.... Thank god I will never, ever have to do another non music credit for school!
Don't get me wrong - I really loved some of my English courses, the one I had last semester was amazing (and extremely difficult) - it explored depths of literary theory that I wasn't even aware existed! And some aspects of it can be applied directly to music.
12 hours of class?? I am certainly very jealous! Engineering here is 30 hours per week during the year and I'm currently working full time, so practicing time is currently very rare.
I'm working on that Liszt Sonata, as well as keeping Gretchen am Spinnrade, Kapustin's op. 40 no.2, and Liszt's 6th Hungarian Rhapsody fresh. I'm also bringing back the Heroic Polonaise to record for my friend's birthday and I need to start learning these Scriabin Preludes...
Do anybody else find the Recapitulation (4rth movement) of the Liszt Sonata easier than the 2nd? I'm having a lot more trouble with the quick parts in the 2nd movement, but the last movement is feeling much more "pianistic" and secure under the fingers.
I worked on an accompaniment for Beethoven's 8th Violin Sonata and the Meditation for Thais for about like two minutes (even though the first rehearsal is tomorrow teheee) and that's it!!! I was so bored with practicing today...
Wow OSK, you're getting pretty darn good! I've only glanced in on your live streaming practice sessions a few times but I never saw you really play anything beyond a few snippets that you were working on. (Also it's freaky to see you from the other side for a change).
A coupple of days ago I finished studying La campanella! Now It's practise practise and more practise. I allso work on Beethoven sonata 27, and Bach C-minor prelude, and alittle on Liszt Liebestod from Tristan & Isolde. Somebody have som good tips on the tremolos in thirds in bar 13 and 14?
I'm also bringing back the Heroic Polonaise to record for my friend's birthday and I need to start learning these Scriabin Preludes...
I thought the same about these Scriabin Preludes. Just wanted to use your quotation, to mention that I currently finished the Prelude op.8 no.12!! Just proud of it! In fact my teacher wanted me to play "Liebestraum" from Liszt(I´ve to admit that I was to lazy to learn the ending part). So I played this Scriabin Etude from which he disadvised me. Sometimes I made small stops, so that my brain could catch up to the following parts. Fortunately he was quite satisfied!
But I wasn´t amused when he suggested me to try a Sonata from Scriabin...er no...ehk... my musical understanding needs more time yet!
I'm working on Haydn's Piano Sonata no. 62, Scarlatti's Sonata in G K125, and Prokofiev's 2nd sonata... I'm also starting to dabble again in the Chopin PC1 and the cadenza of the Beethoven 3....
!!!!!!!!! i practiced the mendelssohn too! except i worked on the andante-mostly made sure the pedal is clean, nothing is mushy and that the lines sing
Worked on Ravel Concerto in G, first movement, for an upcoming concerto competition. I feel like I have new and very improved ears coming back to this piece I learned a year ago, and although I will continue to go through with this competition (I feel it would be cowardly to back out), there are some passages (the slow ones) that I just do NOT understand and cannot even hear in my head 100% exactly how they can go. I'm sure I'll give a "pretty good" performance... all the notes will be there no problem, the fast parts will be exciting (I feel those parts pretty darn well if I do say so myself!) and the trills and arpeggios in the trills will be all shimmery and exciting, but OVERALL there will be something missing. Something overtop all of these aspects of playing the piano. I feel true depth, mastery, profundity, and MUSIC at all level will be missing...
Oh well. I'm still young, it's all a part of the learning process, and I'll do better with the next pieces I learn. Until then, back to the keyboard to practice!
Since this thread is at the top of the list now: I've been playing the Scherzo which I just got assigned. Its tremendously fun trying to figure out the voicing of the opening ff chords, fingering of the left hand legato section, etc.
Mozart Fantasia in C minor, K. 396 (NOT the later one) Bach WTC II Prelude & Fugue in E minor - so hard and so much fun.
Weren't you doing E major Book II a while back? That one is one of my favorites of the 48. E minor Book II I'm more lukewarm on. (Though if I were to work it up, I might come to love it.)
For me, it's pretty much all Schumann Davidsbundlertanze all the time. I'm really going to get all 18 worked up. Today it was #4 from Book II, which has a glorious coda.
Mozart Fantasia in C minor, K. 396 (NOT the later one) Bach WTC II Prelude & Fugue in E minor - so hard and so much fun.
Weren't you doing E major Book II a while back? That one is one of my favorites of the 48. E minor Book II I'm more lukewarm on. (Though if I were to work it up, I might come to love it.)
E major is one of the best for sure. I love the ethereal serenity. I love the E minor after it too because it's everything the E major isn't. The prelude is the toughest two-part invention I've ever seen, but it's the fugue that just feels so good under the hands when you get it down.
Bach P&F for the day: F# major, book I Messiaen: Le merle noir (hmmm ... a bit of work ahead of me there) Hageman: At the well R.Strauss: Meinem Kinde Some Spanish songs Couple of pieces by Margaret Sutherland
Since this thread is at the top of the list now: I've been playing the Scherzo which I just got assigned. Its tremendously fun trying to figure out the voicing of the opening ff chords, fingering of the left hand legato section, etc.
May I ask you how far you got with the Scherzo? I´m just excited because I also had to learn this piece some mounths ago.
Are you really working on four pieces simultaneously? Respect!!
Since this thread is at the top of the list now: I've been playing the Scherzo which I just got assigned. Its tremendously fun trying to figure out the voicing of the opening ff chords, fingering of the left hand legato section, etc.
May I ask you how far you got with the Scherzo? I´m just excited because I also had to learn this piece some mounths ago.
Are you really working on four pieces simultaneously? Respect!!
Yea,.. a little at a time. I tried recording myself (its been 3 days since I started learning it). I can in no way play at tempo, so there are lots of issues with this recording but I still wanted to hear what I sounded like at a sufficiently high tempo (its slower than the target tempo of course): http://www.box.net/shared/i8n2ijtz83eg1iffd4iz
(don't judge me.. I will not play it at this tempo while I practice, so it will be much better in the end, I promise :D)
(don't judge me.. I will not play it at this tempo while I practice, so it will be much better in the end, I promise :D)
No way, you play very clear. And after only days it´s played very confident(is this the right word in english?:/). My problem is that I start to play too fast way too early. That´s the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS-hTMz-bp0 This is a recording after two Months of practicing. Not intesive but still hard for my feeling!
Bartok's 3 Burlesques (how do you ever manage the unisons in No. 1 up to speed??!!) Chopin Impromptu No. 1 Frantically memorizing Liszt's gorgeous piece "Sposalizio" Orchestral reductions of Mozart flute concerto in G and D
I'm practicing 6 hours a day now and my back and arms are starting to feel very sore...
I like how the B major fugue theme is embedded in the opening figure of the prelude.
Yes! And it feels so nice to play.
Originally Posted by beet31425
I also like that you're going through all that Messiaen!
It's not very long, but as I mentioned, there is that fast couple of pages... However, I still have a week before my first rehearsal with the flautist.
I practiced: 2 lines of Schumann Kreisleriana #1 1st 2 movements of Brahms Clarinet sonata #1 (just played through to not lose the familiarity with the score) 1st 2 movements of Jean Francaix Trio for Oboe, Bassoon and Piano Played through 2nd mvt of Faure Violin Sonata A lot of work into Frank Martin's Ballade for Trombone and Piano (or orchestra). This last one is a beast to play. I may just have to give up on all the hours I put into learning one of the pages and simplify it. I was so determined to get it when I started, but now I just don't think it will come out right.
I didn't practice: The rest of Kreisleriana ): ; in-depth work on the Brahms sonata, 1st movement of the Faure.
I'm wondering how this is all going to come together shortly.
More progress on the Saint-Saens etude... I started practicing this again. I can bash through it kind-of okay at 95 or so percent tempo, but those double notes are killer!! I will be slow practicing with a metronome for a long time!
More progress on the Saint-Saens etude... I started practicing this again. I can bash through it kind-of okay at 95 or so percent tempo, but those double notes are killer!! I will be slow practicing with a metronome for a long time!
For the next six weeks I'll be practicing this program and then play it around nine times starting December 1.
Christmas Program 2011
Arranger: Song
Mike Garson: O Come All Ye Faithful, Home For Christmas, The Christmas Song, O Holy Night, Joy To The World, Avinu Malkenu, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
Sally Deford: Good King Wenceslas, Once In David’s Royal City, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, Come Thou Long Expected Jesus, The First Noel, Deck The Halls, Lo How A Rose E’er Blooming
Dan Coates: Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, Frosty The Snowman, The Prayer Alana LaGrange: Boogie Jingle Bells Hubert Garavel: Mon Beau Sapin Rosenblatt: Christmas Fantasy Dick Wellstood: Jingle Bells Max Reger: Silent Night Professor Bill Edwards: Amazing Grace Steve Calderone: We Wish You A Merry Christmas Ricardo Boppre: The Little Drummer Boy Larry LeBow: Hymn A La Nuit Edward Elgar: Jersualem Noreen Grey Lienhard: Silent Night Unknown Arrangers: O Come All Ye Faithful, Carol Of The Bells, White Christmas
But for my jury, I will play: -Bach Prelude and Fugue in C Major WTC Book II -Beethoven Pathetique Sonata Op. 13 1st movement -Brahms Ballade in B Major Op. 10 No. 4 -A self-study piece that is a much smaller scale than the other works, so probably a miniature by Alkan. I did the B Major Nocturne Op. 22 last semester, so I need to find a different one. Maybe the Op. 65 No. 6 Barcarolle, the Op. 65 No. 3 Canon, or the Op. 25 No. 16 Prelude. I've got those under my fingers, but I've never had an actual lesson on them.
Yeah, the Saint-Saens etude isn't on the jury for this semester, unless I wanted to use THAT as my self-study!
But I think I need a lot of time to really develop the double note technique well enough to perform it.
Haven't started practising today yet (tis only 9am and I'm still in my PJs drinking coffee) but I did spend all yesterday rehearsing with singers. Schubert, Wolf and Strauss. Bliss.
-A self-study piece that is a much smaller scale than the other works, so probably a miniature by Alkan. I did the B Major Nocturne Op. 22 last semester, so I need to find a different one. Maybe the Op. 65 No. 6 Barcarolle, the Op. 65 No. 3 Canon, or the Op. 25 No. 16 Prelude. I've got those under my fingers, but I've never had an actual lesson on them.
I don't know if a self study piece is a common type of requirment, but the idea seems to make a lot of sense and is very interesting.
That sounds wonderful, Pianoloverus. I always look forward to playing and hearing Christmas music. I would love to be there.
Do you (or anyone else) have a favorite arrangement of Ave Maria you could recommend? I am looking to buy an advanced intermediate arrangement, but it can be any arrangement that is pretty.
Today, I delved into the Rachmaninoff 1st sonata. This is the first page and a half. These 16th note runs could use more work; they are MIGHTY awkward... http://www.box.net/shared/3x5zdrquv3gfh9uza2ai
Mike Garson: O Come All Ye Faithful, Home For Christmas, The Christmas Song, O Holy Night, Joy To The World, Avinu Malkenu, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
That sounds like it could be a very interesting arrangement. Can you tell us something about it? Where did you find the music?
As usual, I worked on the Waldstein. I also fiddled around with Sonetto 104 del Petrarca. I'd love to learn it as a surprise for my teacher. I just wonder if I have the chops for it.
I've been progressing through Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12, working on my speed and accuracy. That piece is a crazy work out on my left hand. Scriabin Etude Op.2 No.1 Also, just smoothing some things out, working on the "feel" of it. I'm also excited to start on Rachmaninoff's prelude in C sharp minor tonight!
Moscheles D maj. Etude on thirds, op. 70; Moszkowski LH Etude op. 92, no. 2; Chopin. op. 10, nos. 1 and 2; Bach invs. and sinfs. in a min and A maj, and WTC I P&F G maj; Persichetti Sonatina no. 2, op. 45; Rachmaninoff Polka WR and prelude op. 32, no. 8.
As usual, I worked on the Waldstein. I also fiddled around with Sonetto 104 del Petrarca. I'd love to learn it as a surprise for my teacher. I just wonder if I have the chops for it.
If you can do the Waldstein, you can do the Sonetto 104 del Petrarca.
Today, I delved into the Rachmaninoff 1st sonata. This is the first page and a half. These 16th note runs could use more work; they are MIGHTY awkward... http://www.box.net/shared/3x5zdrquv3gfh9uza2ai
I had a lesson, and my teacher said I could start on this next semester.
I don't even KNOW what to practice. The stuff I'm bringing to a lesson tomorrow (OMG it's tomorrow already!!??!!?!?!?!), for the coaching I have this afternoon, or the performance on Friday...... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I better go now..............
As usual, I worked on the Waldstein. I also fiddled around with Sonetto 104 del Petrarca. I'd love to learn it as a surprise for my teacher. I just wonder if I have the chops for it.
If you can do the Waldstein, you can do the Sonetto 104 del Petrarca.
Really? That's encouraging. I just wonder if my hand size will present a problem - but there are always work-arounds.
As usual, I worked on the Waldstein. I also fiddled around with Sonetto 104 del Petrarca. I'd love to learn it as a surprise for my teacher. I just wonder if I have the chops for it.
If you can do the Waldstein, you can do the Sonetto 104 del Petrarca.
Really? That's encouraging. I just wonder if my hand size will present a problem - but there are always work-arounds.
I love that piece. Hand size shouldn't be a problem, there are so many rolled chords there already, a couple more certainly wouldn't sound out of place.
As usual, I worked on the Waldstein. I also fiddled around with Sonetto 104 del Petrarca. I'd love to learn it as a surprise for my teacher. I just wonder if I have the chops for it.
If you can do the Waldstein, you can do the Sonetto 104 del Petrarca.
Really? That's encouraging. I just wonder if my hand size will present a problem - but there are always work-arounds.
I love that piece. Hand size shouldn't be a problem, there are so many rolled chords there already, a couple more certainly wouldn't sound out of place.
There are a bunch of 10ths at the very beginning. I've never heard those rolled and I'm now wondering what the effect would be if they were.
As usual, I worked on the Waldstein. I also fiddled around with Sonetto 104 del Petrarca. I'd love to learn it as a surprise for my teacher. I just wonder if I have the chops for it.
If you can do the Waldstein, you can do the Sonetto 104 del Petrarca.
Really? That's encouraging. I just wonder if my hand size will present a problem - but there are always work-arounds.
I love that piece. Hand size shouldn't be a problem, there are so many rolled chords there already, a couple more certainly wouldn't sound out of place.
There are a bunch of 10ths at the very beginning. I've never heard those rolled and I'm now wondering what the effect would be if they were.
I worked on Chopin's Grand Valse Brillante (op. 18), a Pachelbel fugue in C major (I found a nice series of them), I did my scales as a morning warm-up. I also did some improvising practising modulating between distant keys. I also played around with some folk tunes, but that's not exactly practise since they're pretty much engraved in my hands now. Oh, and I got to play on a Steinway grand for a bit as well. A pretty productive day. I think I did about 4 1/2 hours.
I spent four hours working on the fermata at the end of....
Last week I spent 2 hours on the voicing of the opening chord of the Op.111 Arietta. That was after I had spent three hours working out the best fingering for the chord.
I spent four hours working on the fermata at the end of....
Last week I spent 2 hours on the voicing of the opening chord of the Op.111 Arietta. That was after I had spent three hours working out the best fingering for the chord.
Today (so far), I have practiced the G major and E minor scales in two octaves HS. I always start with scales and arpeggios. Later today, I will keep working on my repertoire pieces and start analyzing a new piece that was assigned to me by my teacher.
Tomorrow, my teacher will perform a recital. I am really looking forward to it!
I spent four hours working on the fermata at the end of....
Last week I spent 2 hours on the voicing of the opening chord of the Op.111 Arietta. That was after I had spent three hours working out the best fingering for the chord.
Is that supposed to be mocking me? hahahahhaa. if so, you have no idea how to work.
I spent four hours working on the fermata at the end of....
Last week I spent 2 hours on the voicing of the opening chord of the Op.111 Arietta. That was after I had spent three hours working out the best fingering for the chord.
Is that supposed to be mocking me? hahahahhaa. if so, you have no idea how to work.
plover doesn't mean his joke posts personally or seriously. I'm actually going to do the Rachmaninoff next semester, but I've started sneaking practice in on it now.
I'm going to cut lots of my obligations next semester, too.
You know, looking at the Rachmaninoff 1st sonata, I think I am more intimidated by his 2nd sonata, Chopin 2 and 3, Liszt B Minor, Schumann Fantasy, Schubert Wanderer Fantasy, etc...
I haven't practiced since Wednesday. I just put in 90 minutes on the Waldstein. The first four pages are beginning to sound pretty good. The next four aren't as good. The next four are a little less good...and so on.
I wonder if I'll ever the those triplets in the Rondo up to tempo? My hands get tired, even when I'm relaxed.
It felt so good, a nice prep for heading to the local mall and shopping at JC Penney. Don't know how beneficial that was, but I had more dexterity than usual in pulling out the Visa card from my wallet.
You know, looking at the Rachmaninoff 1st sonata, I think I am more intimidated by his 2nd sonata, Chopin 2 and 3, Liszt B Minor, Schumann Fantasy, Schubert Wanderer Fantasy, etc...
Really? I'm not intimidated by those pieces at all because
I know I could never play them. Kind of like I'm not jealous when I look at pictures of the $25 milllion apartments advertised in the NY Times. P.L.US I have a nicer piano then the ones in most of those living rooms.
You know, looking at the Rachmaninoff 1st sonata, I think I am more intimidated by his 2nd sonata, Chopin 2 and 3, Liszt B Minor, Schumann Fantasy, Schubert Wanderer Fantasy, etc...
Really? I'm not intimidated by those pieces at all because
I know I could never play them. Kind of like I'm not jealous when I look at pictures of the $25 milllion apartments advertised in the NY Times. P.L.US I have a nicer piano then the ones in most of those living rooms.
Turina Zapateado from Andalusian Dances: pedaling, phrasing, big phrases, lightening the whole thing up.
Chopin Grand Valse Brillante Op. 34. No.l in A-flat: giving it that lilting quality, rounding out the legato stuff, experimenting with some new and different subito pianos and rubatos.
Messed around a little with Scriabin Predule Op. 11. No. 24. Noisy and fun; good Halloween piece.
Today was a good 2 hours on Ravel's Jeux d'Eau. I can almost see how I'll be able to play it up to speed. Except for the second-to-last page... I still don't see how I'm going to pull that off. Must have faith.
Practiced a bunch of old rock tonight. "two out of three ain't bad" "all revved up" "Paradise by the dashboard lights" "heaven can wait" "you took the words right out of my mouth" Working out the vocal harmonies for the singers for rehearsal tomorrow. tedious.
Op.118 no.6! And some work on some kapustin stuff...and sneaked in some Rachmaninoff. OSK, you're doing his 1st sonata? I'd kill to hear you live!
Are you doing 118 6? Yayyyyyy, me too!
I think it's the perfect ending of the opus... so dark and almost removed from the other ones. I so so so love it, especially that minor 10th near the end.. (so glad I can reach it, barely) It's such a genius work! Are you playing the whole opus?
This is my first report. From now on I plan to check in periodically to keep up. I'll have a lot more time - and energy to devote to practicing. I had a great day today - about all day playing: Moment Musicale, Schubert; Waltz in C#m, Chopin; Maple Leaf and Heliotrope Bouquet, played through some other stuff; FM - steely dan. 2.5 hour band practice - 8 songs - for a 12-17 show.
Op.118 no.6! And some work on some kapustin stuff...and sneaked in some Rachmaninoff. OSK, you're doing his 1st sonata? I'd kill to hear you live!
Are you doing 118 6? Yayyyyyy, me too!
I think it's the perfect ending of the opus... so dark and almost removed from the other ones. I so so so love it, especially that minor 10th near the end.. (so glad I can reach it, barely) It's such a genius work! Are you playing the whole opus?
It's my favourite part of the opus...the only ones which I haven't really warmed up to yet are numbers 1 and 4. I dunno if I'll try to take on the whole set, but we'll see. I'd like to do nos 2 and 5 as well but I don't know how I'll approach them...there are so many difficulties in voicing and phrasing that I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. Brahms is really difficult!
Op.118 no.6! And some work on some kapustin stuff...and sneaked in some Rachmaninoff. OSK, you're doing his 1st sonata? I'd kill to hear you live!
Are you doing 118 6? Yayyyyyy, me too!
I think it's the perfect ending of the opus... so dark and almost removed from the other ones. I so so so love it, especially that minor 10th near the end.. (so glad I can reach it, barely) It's such a genius work! Are you playing the whole opus?
It's my favourite part of the opus...the only ones which I haven't really warmed up to yet are numbers 1 and 4. I dunno if I'll try to take on the whole set, but we'll see. I'd like to do nos 2 and 5 as well but I don't know how I'll approach them...there are so many difficulties in voicing and phrasing that I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. Brahms is really difficult!
Really, I love 1 and 4! 4 is really, really cool. How about 3, do you like that one? The set is difficult.. it feels like a sonata, really!
So far: just those triplets in Op. 53. Over and over trying to get my hand strength up - first RH, then when it gets tired, LH and RH, LH. The together. Whew.
Edit: and this afternoon, the first 5 pages - listening hard, playing with eyes closed, trying to refine the pedaling and make every note even. My brain is tired.
Practiced for a recital that I played today. For the first time ever in practice I played a C major chord where I should have played a F major chord. And guess what? I did the same thing in performance! GRRRR!
Funerailles and the second movement of Brahms' C major sonata, because I heard a recital Friday night that included performances of both (the latter as an encore) and decided to revisit them.
The Brahms I hadn't played or heard in so long I couldn't remember what it was, so I had to ask the pianist (Peter Toth of Hungary, performing in Carmel, California) what it was. Nonetheless, it came along pretty nicely when I played it through a few times. Funerailles too; it's not too bad technically, except for about 30 seconds there.
Speaking of Peter Toth's recital, he also played the Haydn B minor sonata, Hob. XV:132; the Schubert A minor sonata, D. 537; What the West Wind Saw; No. 12 from both Op. 10 and 25 of Chopin; the Scriabin D# minor etude; and Mazeppa and Widmung by Liszt (with an assist from Schumann on the latter, of course). The whole recital was quite good, but he seemed more at home with the post-classical-era pieces.
And yes, his octaves in Funerailles were, um, noticeably better than mine!
A Mozart sonata (k. 376 for violin and piano). You know, one of those places where anyone, including non-musicians would have noticed something was wrong... C chord in the bass, F in the RH, a fermata, and forte. I quickly switched to the F major chord once I knew what I did, but the damage was done already.
Funerailles and the second movement of Brahms' C major sonata, because I heard a recital Friday night that included performances of both (the latter as an encore) and decided to revisit them. ... And yes, his octaves in Funerailles were, um, noticeably better than mine!
Just watched Argerich's octaves - she really is unbelievable with her speed on those. (see 6:55 here - Argerich Funerailles ) One tip I heard in class the other day for playing fast octaves is to think of them moving horizontally instead of thinking "down, down, down" for each of the notes.
Funerailles and the second movement of Brahms' C major sonata, because I heard a recital Friday night that included performances of both (the latter as an encore) and decided to revisit them. ... And yes, his octaves in Funerailles were, um, noticeably better than mine!
Just watched Argerich's octaves - she really is unbelievable with her speed on those. (see 6:55 here - Argerich Funerailles ) One tip I heard in class the other day for playing fast octaves is to think of them moving horizontally instead of thinking "down, down, down" for each of the notes.
Those are pretty darn fast! At the last stage, where it's in D major, you can she misses a few, but since you can barely tell by listening it's probably not all that important.
I definitely agree with thinking of the overall movement as horizontal; you just have to get those vertical oscillations timed correctly along the way.
...and Widmung by Liszt (with an assist from Schumann on the latter, of course).
I'd be much more inclined to say by Schumann with assistance from Liszt.
I'd be even strongly inclined to say so...
OK, the last piece on the program was Schumann's Widmung, transcribed by Liszt. Curiously, the program didn't even mention Schumann's name in connection with it!
Curiously, the program didn't even mention Schumann's name in connection with it!
Really? I think that's just about unforgivable. I suspect Liszt wouldn't have been impressed either - he certainly wasn't trying to pass off Widmung as his own composition.
I had a similar experience with "Flight of the Bumblebee" attributed to Rachmaninov in a school recital... It looks like sometimes arrangers get more attention than they really wanted.
Op.118 no.6! And some work on some kapustin stuff...and sneaked in some Rachmaninoff. OSK, you're doing his 1st sonata? I'd kill to hear you live!
Are you doing 118 6? Yayyyyyy, me too!
I think it's the perfect ending of the opus... so dark and almost removed from the other ones. I so so so love it, especially that minor 10th near the end.. (so glad I can reach it, barely) It's such a genius work! Are you playing the whole opus?
It's my favourite part of the opus...the only ones which I haven't really warmed up to yet are numbers 1 and 4. I dunno if I'll try to take on the whole set, but we'll see. I'd like to do nos 2 and 5 as well but I don't know how I'll approach them...there are so many difficulties in voicing and phrasing that I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. Brahms is really difficult!
Really, I love 1 and 4! 4 is really, really cool. How about 3, do you like that one? The set is difficult.. it feels like a sonata, really!
Yeah I actually like no.3 a lot as well!! Though I'll give myself more years to finish off the set, because there's a ton of other stuff I'm pretty much dying to play right now!
The Waldstein is killing me...no on second thought, I'm killing it. Groan.
Any specific parts that you're having trouble with?
You asked so here goes:
Overall - my expression isn't there and there are bumps and places where it sounds choppy and unprofessional. I've done a lot of practice in sections so transitioning from section to section needs a ton of work. I'm still trying to learn how to play forte and relaxed and fast all at the same time without tensing up.
Here's some of the problems in the Allegro con Brio 1. LH M20-22 tensing up 2. Transitioning from M 26 to 27. I'm getting the notes but it just doesn't sound right. There's a tiny rubato I just can't pull off. 3. M36 and on - not sweet enough or legato enough. 4. transitioning between M 41 and 42 with that drop to P. The melody line seems to end on the first beat of 42, yet it is also part of the ascending scale. 5. 2nd half of M 46 - When I bring it up to tempo I keep missing the last third and I don't have good control over my decrescendo. 6. Expression M62-65. 62 -63 build but then I want to pull back a bit and build 64 -65 even more. Just can't pull it off. 7. M 104 - 108 - getting the LH even, (small hands). 8. M136 and 138 - sudden drop from F to P. 9. M272 - 274 -I keep rushing.
Then the Rondo (still learning notes in this). 1. My trills are decent but I can't seem to get my LH to sound right. 2. Tensing up with the RH octaves M71 etc. 3. Getting the LH up to tempo M357-366.
I've got a fantastic teacher who is helping me work through this but another viewpoint would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Hey - I haven't played this before, but since I needed to procrastinate on something else, so here are a few suggestions.
Originally Posted by gooddog
1. LH M20-22 tensing up
(I'm assuming your fingering is 5-3-1) I have a couple suggestions, based on a similar passage I worked out recently: Practice this with the double notes removed, so C-A-C-A, until that feels comfortable, and then E-A-E-A until that feels comfortable. I've found this helps the bottom fingers in my hand "understand" how little they have to work. If I just practice with the CE played together, I find that they grip, and especially my fifth finger pulls too much. Of course, the thumb may be the culprit too.
For measure with the A#, I would slide my hand into the keys a bit more to avoid cocking the wrist to get the thumb on the black key, and also make the 5th and 3rd fingers stand up more so that the thumb is not raised significantly higher than if it were playing on a white key.
Originally Posted by gooddog
3. M36 and on - not sweet enough or legato enough.
I always hate these passages. It comes to a flexible wrist, finger legato, legato help from the pedal by doing shallower and delayed pedals, and enough sound, especially on the top note to make it sing. Playing this too softly or delicately just lets the sound die away too soon and makes it impossible to phrase.
Originally Posted by gooddog
9. M272 - 274 -I keep rushing.
I'm going to guess it is because you are anxious about getting to the LH grace notes on time. Do you know why you're rushing? If not, try hands separately to see why. If it is because of the LH grace notes, I found a weird trick useful - just play the LH part, but split it between the hands so that it is easy to play everything in time. Then go back to playing LH only. My theory is that this resets in your mind how it should really sound because in your mind right now you have the incorrect rushed sound.
Hey - I haven't played this before, but since I needed to procrastinate on something else, so here are a few suggestions.
Originally Posted by gooddog
1. LH M20-22 tensing up
(I'm assuming your fingering is 5-3-1) I have a couple suggestions, based on a similar passage I worked out recently: Practice this with the double notes removed, so C-A-C-A, until that feels comfortable, and then E-A-E-A until that feels comfortable. I've found this helps the bottom fingers in my hand "understand" how little they have to work. If I just practice with the CE played together, I find that they grip, and especially my fifth finger pulls too much. Of course, the thumb may be the culprit too.
For measure with the A#, I would slide my hand into the keys a bit more to avoid cocking the wrist to get the thumb on the black key, and also make the 5th and 3rd fingers stand up more so that the thumb is not raised significantly higher than if it were playing on a white key.
Originally Posted by gooddog
3. M36 and on - not sweet enough or legato enough.
I always hate these passages. It comes to a flexible wrist, finger legato, legato help from the pedal by doing shallower and delayed pedals, and enough sound, especially on the top note to make it sing. Playing this too softly or delicately just lets the sound die away too soon and makes it impossible to phrase.
Originally Posted by gooddog
9. M272 - 274 -I keep rushing.
I'm going to guess it is because you are anxious about getting to the LH grace notes on time. Do you know why you're rushing? If not, try hands separately to see why. If it is because of the LH grace notes, I found a weird trick useful - just play the LH part, but split it between the hands so that it is easy to play everything in time. Then go back to playing LH only. My theory is that this resets in your mind how it should really sound because in your mind right now you have the incorrect rushed sound.
Just finished practicing Corigliano's Etude Fantasy. It's almost completely memorized, but still a good month away from performance-worthy...which is ok, because my recital is a month from tomorrow.
WTC II/12 - F minor P&F. Have the P under control and half memorized. Started on the F today. Its fun! WTC I/1 - P&F C major. Halfway through the F. Have to stop and untangle fingers frequently. D.Scarlatti L23 Sonata in E. Great for trills, p & pp dynamics and delicate articulation.
No more practice for a week while travelling interstate, and have first lesson of the year with my teacher the day I fly back.
Can't fault your practising list bear ... thanks for the reminder of the Chopin Prelude 28-6 ... I'm off to my Grotrian Steinweg to give the work a trundle ... am reminded of the blurb in my version which says
"The slow beating of the repeated notes in the RH should resemble a 'Bebung' effect, every 2nd 8th note barely audible. The important thing however, is the complaining cello-like melody in the LH."
No way... he comes closer with 111, which I'm not sure I'd call it THE finest piece ever written, but it is, without a doubt, B's greatest sonata. At any rate, it sure has helll isn't the Mephisto (or anything Liszt, though the sonata makes a very strong case).
I'm working on Chopin Etude 10/7, 25/6, 25/12, impromptu No.1, Waltz op.18 and op.42, 1st movement from Concerto number 2. Also Prokofiev piano sonata No.2, First movement.
Besides the usual big mess of exercises and etudes, there was Mendel/Rach Scherzo from MSND, Liszt HR 11, Chopin Nocturne op. 27, no. 2, and Bach WTC II Eb maj.
I've hauled out a number of American pieces from 1940 - 55 or so, by composers you don't much hear any more -- Morton Gould, Everett Helm, Gail Kubik, Roy Harris, Vincent Persichetti, Norman Dello Joio, Paul Bowles, Irving Fine, etc... I'm revisiting these with the eventual intention of posting them in the "Unsung Heroes" annual recital. For me, the "Goden Age" of American Classical music was 1935 - 55 or so, spearheaded by Aaron Copland and the French Neo-Classicism of Igor Stravinsky. This was quickly swept away by the "tyranny of the row" in the '60's and '70's, but there was a great deal of fresh, effective American piano music written between 1935 - 55, typically with an emphasis on creating an "American" sound.
I've been in heavy accompanist mode since the start of the new year: Lots of operatic arias from those Schirmer anthologies, but two 20th century saxophone pieces stand out among the crowd- William Bolcolm's Lilith, and Distances within me by John Anthony Lennon, a composer whose work was previously unknown to me.
I've been messing around with Rachmaninoff's G minor Prelude. I've always loved how bombastic and "Russian" it sounds.
Also, the climax to Ondine. Ugh, what a nightmare. I had it down for a while, but now my right hand starts to hit many wrong notes. The most frustrating part is that each sequence is the same two notes in octaves. So, I'm approaching it as if I have to play it blindfolded.
Beethoven Pathetique. It's all memorized so I'm polishing it up the best I can for a performance at a radio station in March. I'll let you all know the details about it closer to time if you would like to tune in.
I also started looking at Beethoven's Op. 2 No. 3. That will probably be my next Beethoven sonata. It's so great and I think it will be VERY VERY good for my technique...
Heck. Why don't I just learn all the Beethoven sonatas throughout the course of my life?
I've hauled out a number of American pieces from 1940 - 55 or so, by composers you don't much hear any more -- Morton Gould, Everett Helm, Gail Kubik, Roy Harris, Vincent Persichetti, Norman Dello Joio, Paul Bowles, Irving Fine, etc... I'm revisiting these with the eventual intention of posting them in the "Unsung Heroes" annual recital. For me, the "Goden Age" of American Classical music was 1935 - 55 or so, spearheaded by Aaron Copland and the French Neo-Classicism of Igor Stravinsky. This was quickly swept away by the "tyranny of the row" in the '60's and '70's, but there was a great deal of fresh, effective American piano music written between 1935 - 55, typically with an emphasis on creating an "American" sound.
Everett Helm - new name for me, and I thought I was pretty familiar with that time and place. Ya learn something new every day, which is a good thing.
Anyway, I don't know that an "Unsung" is in the works for this year, not yet, anyway.
Beethoven Pathetique. It's all memorized so I'm polishing it up the best I can for a performance at a radio station in March. I'll let you all know the details about it closer to time if you would like to tune in.
Are you kidding? You BETTER start a thread for it when you have the details, so we can put it on our calendars!!! Heck, yeah, I want to tune in!
I've hauled out a number of American pieces from 1940 - 55 or so, by composers you don't much hear any more -- Morton Gould, Everett Helm, Gail Kubik, Roy Harris, Vincent Persichetti, Norman Dello Joio, Paul Bowles, Irving Fine, etc........For me, the "Goden Age" of American Classical music was 1935 - 55 or so, spearheaded by Aaron Copland and the French Neo-Classicism of Igor Stravinsky. This was quickly swept away by the "tyranny of the row" in the '60's and '70's, but there was a great deal of fresh, effective American piano music written between 1935 - 55, typically with an emphasis on creating an "American" sound.
Everett Helm - new name for me, and I thought I was pretty familiar with that time and place. Ya learn something new every day, which is a good thing.
Same here.
Not exactly "unsung," but my absolute favorite from that era is the 2nd piano sonata of Roger Sessions.
I just did a short practice session for Chopin's Winter Wind Etude. I'm working on page 5, bars 49-58, and today focused on bars 53-54 (trying to get them into my memory). I'm finding this page especially challenging to memorize.
After my hands rest up, maybe I'll try Chopin etude 10/4 (focusing on some bars in the middle section).
My piano at home (it's very old :/) keeps breaking strings so I haven't recorded anything since last year Now that I'm in college I don't practice much and the pianos they have here are complete garbage, but I have a Roland FP-7F coming in a few days, and I'm going to go back and polish up the pieces I learned last year.
I'll have Chopin Ballade 4, Scriabin 2 (both movements) up sometime...after I remember how to play them again lol. Scriabin 5 and the Bach need a lot more work though.
I'm playing in studio class on Tuesday, so I've been trying to commit to memory the 1st movement of Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 11 in B-flat major, Op. 22.
1 I had never heard of Everett Helm either; I was just nosing through my files of piano music and came across his "Sonata Brevis", written in 1941 and dedicated to his teacher at the time, Darius Milhaud. It's really a pretty strong effort. Turns out that he was heavily active in the post-War American effort to rebuild Classical Music events and venues in Germany with a more Western free-world perspective (was that part of the Marshall plan?). He never came back to the US, preferring (evidently) to live in Europe.
2 I had never heard the 2nd Sessions Sonata before, and so went to YouTube for a listening. I would agree that it's a substantial piece -- doesn't quite knock me out, but then I really haven't digested it yet. Thanks for the tip!
Same old thing: Beethoven Opus 53. It's nearly memorized and in about another week or two I'll be ready to put it aside to rest for about a month. Then I'll re-approach it with fresh ears.
Had arthroscopic knee surgery last Tuesday so haven't had the opportunity or inclination to touch the piano until this morning. Am working on some Baroque repertoire that does not require use of the pedal (ouch!) - specifically the Bach Prelude and Fugue in E Major from WTC II. Also am learning the Scarlatti Sonata K 141 - although I didn't quite feel up to that one today!!
Am working on some Baroque repertoire that does not require use of the pedal (ouch!) - specifically the Bach Prelude and Fugue in E Major from WTC II. Also am learning the Scarlatti Sonata K 141 - although I didn't quite feel up to that one today!!
Great choices. The Emajor is a favorite of mine. I think you'll find measure 11 perhaps the most challenging...you have to prepare very quickly for that first Bmajor triad. It's entirely doable with no pedal as if fits very well beneath the fingers. Best of luck and have fun.
Oh this is a fun idea. Nice to hear people's thoughts beyond just the "what I'm working on" in signatures.
Summer is here so it's technique time in my world. In addition to the regular exercise routine, my morning included three exercises from Czerny Op. 740 and Chopin Op. 10 no. 2.
Then I worked on Dvorak Romantic Pieces no. 1 for a violin-piano recital in Sept. The piano part has 8th + two repeated 16ths on every beat. The violin has mostly half notes. Tempo is allegro. You can imagine the relationship problems that can ensue. Dvorak's fingering is the same finger on every pair of repeated 16ths. Either Dvorak was much better at playing repeated 16ths with the same finger more quickly and beautifully than I am, or else his Allegro was not the same as my violinist's Allegro. Anyway, I have had to refinger the whole thing with finger changes on every pair of 16ths, and it's not the fingering that fits the notes the best, and the tempo is faster than I can read all those fingerings so... there was a lot of repetitive drilling in my morning.
I've worked hard on Goldberg Variations 11-15 last week; this week I'm going to bring back 1-10, which are in various forms of slumber, and see if I can get all of 1-15 up and running. Then, I put them all to sleep for a while and start on 16-30.
I remember, from when I worked on the Bb Partita, that a hard thing about working on many small pieces is getting them all up in the air simultaneously. It's like juggling, and it takes finding a kind of balance.
Only had a brief session this morning. Worked on Scarlatti Sonata K. 235 repeating sections in 2 bar phrases and then 4 bar phrases. Wanted to clean up some of these sections that have been kind of awkward under the fingers. Its a lot more solid now when I played through the entire first section.
Nearest project on the docket is Mozart's "Kegelstatt Trio" for Clarinet, Viola, and Piano. That performance will take place on 16 June at our place -- we're the hosts this time for a musical group called "Carnaval" -- all amateur musicians, but some really good!
Much further out: I'm working on a number of pieces, all by composers who taught or worked in Chicago, or who received degrees from the old American Conservatory. That's in anticipation of the Amateur Piano Competition in Chicago in 2016. To be specific:
Lee Sowerby Sonata for Piano (1948/63) Margaret Bonds Troubled Water (1935) Rudolph Ganz Capriccio for the Right Hand Alone (1919) Coleridge-Taylor Perkinson Toccata (1992) Ruth Crawford Seeger Preludes 6, 8, 9 (1930) John Alden Carpenter Catnip Dances from Krazy Kat (1922/41) Gail Kubik Sonatina (1941) Shulamit Ran Hyperbolae (1976) Joseph Schwantner Veiled Autumn (1986) Robert Muczynski Desperate Measures (1996)
The big one is the Sowerby Sonata -- really a wonderful piece! That's what I love about exploring the compositional "backwaters" -- every once in a while, you really run into a bang-up good piece!
Had some time today so worked on Chopin's waltzes op.70 (refined no.1, and learning both 2 and 3). These are, in my opinion, very beautiful but somewhat underplayed works. No.3 in Db is delightful and perhaps slightly more difficult than it sounds (if played well!).
Also been working on the Db nocturne op.27/2, and his waltz in E minor op posth.
I think that for a mazurka and a waltz of similar technical difficulty, the mazurka always comes out on top in terms of interpretation (for me). It's always difficult to make a short 2 paged piece sound like Rubinstein does, and it's sometimes frustrating when you can't get it to "click" and flow like he does.
A lot of Chopin for me this week, but I'm loving it all
Oh this is a fun idea. Nice to hear people's thoughts beyond just the "what I'm working on" in signatures.
Not to mention that some of us have signatures turned off (and maybe avatars, as well).
Haven't "practiced" yet today. Yesterday it was some etudes by Persichetti, Tagliapietra, Toch, Dohnanyi, and Friedman; the first movement of Berger's Partita (his idiom is oddly elusive but attractive to me - getting to know it is an adventure); the fugue in B flat, and the interludium that precedes it, from Hindemith's Ludus Tonalis (witty and amusing stuff, but too hard!); Scarlatti K. 545 (also too hard!!).
Triana, from Iberia. It has the dubious distinction of actually making me dizzy as I play it - so much leaping, so many swirling arpeggios, parts that sort of crash headlong into eachother. Having said that, it's been one of those pieces whereby just practicing everything technically to the letter hasn't helped me progress, but more listening to it and trying to tease music from it, even when it was less than half the speed it needs to go at. It's been a very fun piece. I also practiced a Debussy Prelude (Book 2 No 1), and La Campanella which my teacher told me would benefit me, which constantly feels like the polar opposite to the way I described Triana (the difficulties have to be addressed before the music).
1. Rachmaninoff's 2nd concerto - 3rd movement (and I amused myself with a few measures from the first one) 2. Clair de Lune... I need something lighter when the exhaustion sets in
Oh wow, this thread is still active! That's pretty great.
I haven't logged in here in a long time and I've fallen off the piano bandwagon somewhat due to some serious personal problems. I still recognize some of you guys. Good work. (:
-Worked on 8-bar sections of Chopin Prelude #19 up to 75% tempo, and then played through the whole thing slow. (I told me teacher I wanted to work on technique this summer, so this is what I get!)
-Exposition (1st mvt.) and 2nd mvt. of Mozart Concerto #21.
-Daily technique (scales+arps, a few of the Brahms 51, Moskowski octaves etude, Chopin Op. 10/4)
Today I practised or refined: Chopin 10-3, Ballade briefly, the Rach prelude above, something from Heller... I think I also did that sonatine... And I played some.
I kind of explored Horowitz' variations on Carmen something, half-mild-pratice-like, half-playing, but it gave me pain in my hand so now I'm waiting for that to subside and then I'll go back and never do that with pieces like that again.
Hakki, obviously some people do care, and they like the idea that the thread has been revived. If you don't care...don't read it - but don't insult those who are interested.
I didn't practice yesterday because I had a very long piano lesson after a full day of work. We worked on Beethoven's Opus 54 for over 90 minutes. My teacher gets carried away when we work on Beethoven, whom he loves. He demolished my music - in a positive way. Now I have to take it apart, slow it down and work on it in chunks with the metronome. My counting isn't EXACTLY right, my octaves need more work and I'm still conquering residual tension.
Hakki, I don't have anyone at home or work to talk to about my practicing. I find it interesting to chat and hear what others are working on and struggling with.
That is one of my favorite sonatas! Deceptively difficult, isn't it! But so beautiful.
I'm loving it. The 2nd movement is so much fun to play. I've got it up to tempo but it's a little uneven. I have to remember to keep the tempo under control so I can leave some "space" to speed up the last page. It may seem odd but I'm finding the first movement to be very difficult to get just right. It's slower but there are so many contrasts and the counting has to be exact. Ugh.
It's Friday so Shabbat Shalom to you Shabbat Shalom!
Working toward a recording next week of Larry Polansky's "Three Pieces for Two Pianos" with Marilyn Nonken for an upcoming New World CD. It was written in 2007;
The composer's coming tomorrow to listen to us.
Difficult piece! Let me know if anyone wants me to describe what "interrupted tuplets" are...
My teacher gets carried away when we work on Beethoven, whom he loves. He demolished my music - in a positive way. Now I have to take it apart, slow it down and work on it in chunks with the metronome.
Same here with today's lesson on Op 2 no. 2 last movement!
I always feel that I must completely re-learn the piece after a lesson in which I have been demolished. Whether that means it was a bad lesson or a good one...
There are so many things I think I'm doing one way but it turns out, when my teacher listens, that I'm doing them another way. I really need to start recording myself more. Like maybe every practice session.
My teacher gets carried away when we work on Beethoven, whom he loves. He demolished my music - in a positive way. Now I have to take it apart, slow it down and work on it in chunks with the metronome.
Same here with today's lesson on Op 2 no. 2 last movement!
I always feel that I must completely re-learn the piece after a lesson in which I have been demolished. Whether that means it was a bad lesson or a good one...
There are so many things I think I'm doing one way but it turns out, when my teacher listens, that I'm doing them another way. I really need to start recording myself more. Like maybe every practice session.
I don't think you've had a bad lesson; what you've got is a good teacher. Learning to really listen to myself has been a hard journey because I get distracted by perfect music that is running through my brain. Listening to a recording of myself is painful but a very good teacher. Go for it.
Same here with today's lesson on Op 2 no. 2 last movement!
Possibly one of my favorite movements. This sonata is so underplayed, perhaps due to its difficulty, but I think the last movement is so gorgeous (albeit extra-challenging!). Have you done the other movements as well? The first movement is exciting and fun as well!
Let me know if anyone wants me to describe what "interrupted tuplets" are...
You have my curiosity!
Notational matters:
For example, a quarter note with a 3 above it = 1/3 of a quarter note triplet. A half note with a 5 above it = 2/5 of a 5-quarter quintuplet (5 quarters equalling a whole note)
The quintuplets, triplets, etc. are "interrupted" because they are fragmented through a bar, but if you do the addition, it all works out to a real bar of 5/4, 4/4, etc.
So, in a bar of 6/4, I have the following (in one hand...the other hand has different rhythms!):
Short "5" quarter, followed by: Full quarter, then "5" quarter, full eighth, "5" quarter, full eighth, two "5" quarters.
It all equals six beats: The "5" quarters together add up to 4 full quarters and the two full eighths make up one full quarter, and there's one more full quarter. But nothing falls on a standard quarter or eighth placement in that bar. Everything is "off" by some amount...so you have to keep the length of each subdivision in your head.
And you also have to coordinate with your other hand, and with the player on Piano II.
That's one example...it gets much more complicated than that! If I could photograph the score, you could see it more easily.
Same here with today's lesson on Op 2 no. 2 last movement!
Possibly one of my favorite movements. This sonata is so underplayed, perhaps due to its difficulty, but I think the last movement is so gorgeous (albeit extra-challenging!). Have you done the other movements as well? The first movement is exciting and fun as well!
I am playing all the movements, and the 2nd is my favorite really, but I love them all. There is so much energy in this sonata, and different kinds of energy from one section to the next.
I've played op.2/2 before, and I played the last movement in one of my teacher's studio classes.
The first movement is quite difficult... there was never a guarantee that the fast triplets would come off as I wanted, especially when in the LH. And the infamous "rolled" 10ths in the development section. But it's sharp and witty and beautiful.
And the second movement is the most lyrical heartfelt thing you could ask for. And the third movement with its unexpected modulation to G# minor. And the wonderful last movement, like a long, relaxed conversation. One must be careful to not let the A minor section get too bombastic or it gets repetitive; its wild energy has to fit the overall mood. And the perfect ingenious coda, right down to the final phrase.
The only problem with this sonata is that it's under-appreciated by those who don't know it well. I remember talking to a family friend, someone very musically inclined, who was telling me about a concert she want to the year before. (I can't remember who, maybe Perahia.) She told me he played lots of wonderful music, except for some stupid Beethoven sonata which sounded like a bunch of scales and exercises. (She usually likes Beethoven.) No, she doesn't remember what it was, probably some composition from childhood. I looked it up: op.2/2, of course.
I've played op.2/2 before, and I played the last movement in one of my teacher's studio classes.
The first movement is quite difficult... there was never a guarantee that the fast triplets would come off as I wanted, especially when in the LH. And the infamous "rolled" 10ths in the development section. But it's sharp and witty and beautiful.
And the second movement is the most lyrical heartfelt thing you could ask for. And the third movement with its unexpected modulation to G# minor. And the wonderful last movement, like a long, relaxed conversation. One must be careful to not let the A minor section get too bombastic or it gets repetitive; its wild energy has to fit the overall mood. And the perfect ingenious coda, right down to the final phrase.
The only problem with this sonata is that it's under-appreciated by those who don't know it well. I remember talking to a family friend, someone very musically inclined, who was telling me about a concert she want to the year before. (I can't remember who, maybe Perahia.) She told me he played lots of wonderful music, except for some stupid Beethoven sonata which sounded like a bunch of scales and exercises. (She usually likes Beethoven.) No, she doesn't remember what it was, probably some composition from childhood. I looked it up: op.2/2, of course.
-J
Ha! It certainly COULD be played like a bunch of exercises. I have trouble believing that Perahia would. I know the spot you mean in mvt 1. I have a tendency to rush there which just destroys timing and accuracy on the jumps. A combination of extreme steadiness and crescendo on the rising groups of 5 eighth notes seems to work well, when I can actually do it.
Coda of Alkan's Allegro Barbaro. The 16th notes actually fit the hand well, so it's not hard to get it up tempo quickly. The previous section with triplets is the hardest section for me.
I actually just discovered Medtner, and his music is really nice and different! I liked the fairy tale op.51/2 so I'm learning that today, along with Liszt's valse impromptu which seems doable with practice
Alkan Allegro Barbaro again... It's fully in my fingers, but I need to work on stamina and making it refined/clean. AKA, lots and lots of slow practice.
I'm also bringing back the etude in G major from the same set, Op. 35. I'm doing a recital in July and it'll have an Alkan set. Also including Chant in E Major from Op. 38 (first book), Nocturne Op. 22, and En Songe (No. 48 from Esquisses, Op. 63).
I'll also perform some songs by Gabriel Kahane with a baritone friend of mine, and a couple more solo works by the Duke of Pianeet. I'm really excited!
OSK, do you feel that the main theme of this nocturne sounds A LOT like Chopin's Ab nocturne op.32/2? I was just listening to the Alkan the other day, and the similarity is unnerving. The middle section of the Alkan also has the same LH pattern (Bass note + numerous repeated chords), though it doesn't remind one of the Chopin nocturne.
What do you think? Have you noticed this or am I looking too much into it?
[quote=Orange Soda King]New piece I'm working on A killer piece! Your right hand scales look very good in the video.
Here are some interesting/amazing performances of this piece you might like:
I don't really know Cliburn's but I read that it was so good that he'd use it as the first piece to play at competitions when he was given a choice on the first piece. I actually find this performance kind of sedate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZzR6dURr0I
Mykola Suk(I've heard him any times at the IKIF and he is a Liszt fanatic. He won some big competition around 40 years ago. I think he captures the spirit very well) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gox4X9SGoXk
It can be so nice, after working on a piece for a long time, to finally decide to memorize it. For me everything clicks into place; it reminds me of putting glasses on for the first time and finally being able to see everything in sharp detail.
Yesterday I memorized the Aria and Variation I of Goldberg; today the first two pages of Schumann's F# minor. Many more to come this month...
10: not so hard, since all four voices aren't present very often;
4: far trickier, the trickiest of the four-voiced variations. Working out and keeping track of which voices are held, which should be legato, which staccato takes a lot of time but is worth it!
2: also surprisingly tricky to make it feel relaxed and beautiful, especially in the first line of the B section;
5: once you work out exactly where your hands should go, it fits very nicely; I switch the roles of the hands (i.e. I "uncross") for a few critical measures in the B section, and it makes life much smoother;
12: one of the really hard, taxing, dense variations, with new ideas coming at you every measure!
10: not so hard, since all four voices aren't present very often;
4: far trickier, the trickiest of the four-voiced variations. Working out and keeping track of which voices are held, which should be legato, which staccato takes a lot of time but is worth it!
2: also surprisingly tricky to make it feel relaxed and beautiful, especially in the first line of the B section;
5: once you work out exactly where your hands should go, it fits very nicely; I switch the roles of the hands (i.e. I "uncross") for a few critical measures in the B section, and it makes life much smoother;
12: one of the really hard, taxing, dense variations, with new ideas coming at you every measure!
-J
Thanks for your suggestions but I'm not sure we are referring to the same things. I was referring to Chopin etudes op10: 2,4,5 and 12
Oh you're referring to the Goldberg variations. Lol sorry. I'm not there yet. I love the variations though.
How on earth was one supposed to get the right context?
I guess it relies on a very careful parsing of the missing comma after the "10". Even still, you can't just go up to a pianist and say "I'm working on some from 10 these days"... Chopin's not *that* much the default...
You're absolutely correct. I should at least state "op x No y"
The only reason why I said it like that is due to my own bias. Anytime I see the numbers 10 4 or anything I immediately think torrent etude Chopin. Lol
I was reading through the Mendelssohn Op 106 this afternoon, fits very well under the hands, and was quite amazed at how soon I lost interest. (At bar 5?) But of course Mendelssohn never published it.
Of more interest today on the radio this morning was Cecile Chaminade's C minor piano Sonata. I was in the car at the time, so couldn't totally focus, but from what I heard, it was expertly written (some nice counterpoint in second subject of exposition), and one does have to wonder if this might not be better known had she not been female.
Amongst the 'ladies', she is certainly more talented than Amy Beach, and we will forgive Chaminade for the re-enactment of the Flying Dutchman Overture in her Concertstück for piano and orchestra.
Oh you're referring to the Goldberg variations. Lol sorry. I'm not there yet. I love the variations though.
How on earth was one supposed to get the right context?
I guess it relies on a very careful parsing of the missing comma after the "10". Even still, you can't just go up to a pianist and say "I'm working on some from 10 these days"... Chopin's not *that* much the default...
I started the Bach English Suite no.3 this week. It seems easier for me to learn compared to the English Suite no.2 (that prelude is a bear, I love it though!). I was going to learn another Liszt piece but I found myself coming back to Bach after fiddling around a few potential candidates (I guess I will work on it after the Bach).
Got my Medtner sonatas in the mail, practiced Night Wind, some of the op.11 ones, Reminiscenza, and Romantica. My god Medtner is a nightmare to play...
Also practiced Scriabin 9 a bit. Much less intimidating than I last remembered, thank goodness.
Polishing Beethoven's sonata #22 Opus 54. Halfway through Haydn's Andante and Variations in F minor.
I played those Haydn Variations a couple of years ago; they are quite wonderful, aren't they? I don't think I got a chance to perform them in the Summer Academy because, for that venue, they are too long.
Currently working on Schubert Sonata in A major, Op. 120 (D.664), movements 1 and 2 and the Brahms Ballade, Op. 10, No. 4 for a recital in October.
Also working on Mozart Sonata in F, KV332 for a recital in January.
Polishing Beethoven's sonata #22 Opus 54. Halfway through Haydn's Andante and Variations in F minor.
I played those Haydn Variations a couple of years ago; they are quite wonderful, aren't they? I don't think I got a chance to perform them in the Summer Academy because, for that venue, they are too long. Regards,
They are lovely. Without the repeats it might run 8 minutes. I wasn't able to play the last movement of Beethoven's Opus 110 at the Academy this summer because of the length. That was a huge disappointment. I'm going to have to learn something short. Chopsticks perhaps?
Bruce, I am eager to hear you play the Brahms ballade, Op. 10, No. 4. It is one of my very favorite piano pieces.
I can remember exactly when I heard that for the first time(in a master class at IKIF 15+ years ago) and thought it was beyond incredible. But then I heard Adam Golka play it at the IKIF recently and didn't like it so much except maybe for the middle section. I guess my taste has changed a little.
My favorite recording I've ever heard of it is Michelangeli. I played all four of the ballades several years ago... I really want to re-study them! Maybe I will. I'm trying to think of more solo rep to work on after the Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody 12 is in my fingers, and I think that would be a great idea.
I got Maria Tipo inspired to revive this. Last time around, I jammed my RH pinky against the front of a black key in the last mvt.--a feat, indeed (especially on a Kawai piano, since the fronts of the black keys are so angled and rounded). Maybe I won't do THAT again!
Have been playing it for quite a few months now, performed it on several occasions...
It's very, very difficult though, the hardest part is the bit in the Stretta Vivace section, where the right hand plays a trill while playing the fast melody with the thumb, while the left hand is doing the accompaniment. The rapid right-hand runs immediately following it, are a pain in the ass as well :p
The most difficult, and most musically rewarding of all the rhapsodies, IMHO So have fun with it!
Worked mainly on Liszt's HR12, which is due to performance in a week...
Then Schumann's toccata. Bad idea to play it right after the Liszt.
LONG break.
Done with the first 6 pages of Beethoven's sonata "Les Adieux"...
Somehow pushed through 4 more pages of Shostakovich's PC1, 1st mov, god knows how many more are left... Thankfully, the 3rd and 4th movements and most of the 2nd is done. The whole thing is due to performance in Oct. 1...
EDIT: oh yeah, forgot about Chopin's thirds etude, which i'm struggling with a bit.
What did I practice today? Same as always for the last few weeks , scales, chopin etude , czerny , and learning through (now ) brahm rhapsody 2. beautiful piece.
edit . .. I meant last night. today didnt yet of course. Im at work (got to pay my bills and mortgage what else). My disadvantage to piano practice.
I think I've taken Beethoven's Opus 54 as far as I can for now, so I'm setting it aside. I started Beethoven's opus 28, (Pastorale) 2 weeks ago. It's technically very comfortable for me but expressing it well is going to be a challenge.
I spent the last 6 weeks learning Haydn's F minor variations along side the Opus 54. What fun! I'd forgotten how delightful it is to learn something quick and easy. I think I'm going to continue working on an easy piece while I tackle a hard one like the Beethoven. My teacher came up with some suggestions but frankly he scared me a little. His suggestions didn't sound that easy: Liszt 3rd Hungarian Rhapsody, Liszt Sonetto 43, the Mozart C minor fantasy, a Haydn sonata), but nothing has lit me up yet. Still looking.
His suggestions didn't sound that easy: Liszt 3rd Hungarian Rhapsody...
The third Rhapsody has basically no technical challenges. It's completely different from the others in that way. It's also an amazing strange haunting piece. Be scared by its spooky major/minor ending, but not by any technical hurdles here.
His suggestions didn't sound that easy: Liszt 3rd Hungarian Rhapsody...
The third Rhapsody has basically no technical challenges. It's completely different from the others in that way. It's also an amazing strange haunting piece. Be scared by its spooky major/minor ending, but not by any technical hurdles here.
Did not have much time to practice today, unfortunately. I played a bit with Maria Szymanowska's Nocturne in B flat minor but it was a bit sloppy at first, more of a run-through. (Note to self: I don't have the time for run-throughs!) I want to memorize it but I just suck at memorizing so it is hard work for me. Need to work out some exercises for the last page where there are very long jumps in the right hand and my failure percent is a bit too high! OK, and so that part in the middle with the arpeggios. Thought I could play them in my sleep by now, but nooo. Back to slow, slow practice there tomorrow.
Over to Beethoven, sonata 20 (G Major) which I should have abandoned by now but I chose it anyway just to test a higher tempo. I have recently worked a bit with it to test some new wrist and elbow techniques I learned this summer and I thought I had got a much better sound on the first movement now. So, I increased the tempo to something cheerful, as I thought, and at the end I realized that it sounded like crap. Don't know if I should give it a go tomorrow again. No, I'd rather work with the Bach Prelude my teacher suggested last Friday. I can use the same technique there and the piece is interesting. One of the first pieces I just started by sight-reading and it went very well, but how do I proceed from here?
Schumann, Fantasie 2nd movement coda, Beethoven op.8 whole, Mendelssohn pianotrio 1/Brahms pianotrio 2, Chopin etudes op.10 ,Liszt Gnomenreigen, Bach Goldbergvariations, only the canons
After listening to Lu's performance, I decided to learn Chopin's Barcarolle. So today I worked on the first two pages. Not easy and not just the double trills. The sixths are a pain, too, especially if you don't have very large hands.
Got a recital this weekend: Mozart 332 and Liszt's Years of Pilgrimage: Italy. Also did some touch up work on Brahms 2, which I have to play in November.
After listening to Lu's performance, I decided to learn Chopin's Barcarolle. So today I worked on the first two pages. Not easy and not just the double trills. The sixths are a pain, too, especially if you don't have very large hands.
Interesting. I had the same idea and also worked on the first two pages.
Today I worked on two of Mendelssohn's songs without words - Op.19/5 and 38/3. The provide sufficient challenge for me so I don't need to even think about Chopin etudes. Then the fugue from BWV904 (a four-part double fugue - not WTC). Wonderful composition! Finally I played though Faure's Barcarolle no.1. I have spent an enormous amount of time on this, and finally I think that the effort has paid off. Anyone thinking that this barcarolle is an easy piece may PM me....
Last night I am (not learning) dabbling in the middle section of etude 10-8 sunshine etude, and for the past few days have been using 123 5 or 234 5 432 1 , etc fingering (right hand) but not sure if this is correct. I was testing out 1 2 1 5 as well in some figurations but although easier at a slower tempo, i dont think that would work at the eventual suggested tempo? How did you who played it finger that middle section?
Today, I began learning Beethoven's Sonata in G Major, Op. 31, No. 1. Here's a take of the exposition:
I really enjoy this piece the more and more I practice it. It's so humorous and witty! And, while I have room to improve, I feel like a lot of the passage-work is actually kinda smooth and even.
Today, I began learning Beethoven's Sonata in G Major, Op. 31, No. 1. Here's a take of the exposition:
I really enjoy this piece the more and more I practice it. It's so humorous and witty! And, while I have room to improve, I feel like a lot of the passage-work is actually kinda smooth and even.
Great choice of a sonata!
Why are you playing the LH and RH chords together? (e.g. measure 4, etc.) The whole joke is that they're supposed to be 16th note off, and it should almost sound like a mistake!
They're not together, but I suppose I need to make them even more not-together. (I've heard too many people play them too asynchronized, so I guess I over-compensated?)
I don't know if what I do should be dignified with the word "practice", but I today I did something with:
Bach: A minor partita, fantasia and allemande; and the first and last of the four duets (I don't know why, but the duets are some of my favorite Bach)
Hummel: Hungarian rondo, just a nice slow read through with the metronome going
Liszt: the opening section of the 11th Hung. Rhap.
Faure: the A major Valse-Caprice, mostly just reading it, but with a few things getting ironed out in the process, especially fingerings
Medtner: a chunk from the middle of the a minor sonata, op. 30, that I've been working on for a while - it's way out of my league, but I still like working on it
Moscheles: a fun etude titled "Terpsichore" - I only am going at a bit more than half the indicated metronome speed, but it does seem to be improving in various ways
Moszkoswki: a couple of the op. 72 etudes - I've been working on the famous one in F major seemingly forever, and the central section, the part that works the left hand kind of hard, finally seems to be getting under my fingers - yay!!!
They're not together, but I suppose I need to make them even more not-together. (I've heard too many people play them too asynchronized, so I guess I over-compensated?)
I think it's over-compensated, yes. IMO it needs to be more than a "snap", it needs to be a full 16th note difference. Otherwise, it may be something you feel, but we'll never hear it.
Today, I pulled out Schnabel's edition of 31/1 and looked at an alternative redistribution for a tricky passage. I don't have the largest hands, so this passage is tricky for me. Do you all think I'll be okay using just one hand, or would I be better off cheating? I want to stick with just one hand and work hard to relax/avoid tension and stay even.
I think I had one of the best practices last night so far. One of those where you think "I can get somewhere if I continue this". And it was only a couple of hours.
Last night I am (not learning) dabbling in the middle section of etude 10-8 sunshine etude, and for the past few days have been using 123 5 or 234 5 432 1 , etc fingering (right hand) but not sure if this is correct. I was testing out 1 2 1 5 as well in some figurations but although easier at a slower tempo, i dont think that would work at the eventual suggested tempo? How did you who played it finger that middle section?
I started learning this etude a couple days ago, and I'm learning the middle section now. I'm using the fingering in the Henle edition, which seems to work well with my hands. I'm not exactly sure which measures you are referring to, can you be more specific?
I picked this etude to complement op. 10 no. 1, which is now in the polishing stage (may be stuck in this stage forever lol). Learning op. 10 no.1 has vastly strengthened my right 4th and 5th fingers, and no. 8 seems to focus on the 4th finger a lot (which is why I chose it). The middle section is a bit stretchy but not bad at all compared to no. 1. The outer sections fit my hands well and I have to resist playing at full tempo and make great efforts to slow down.
This week, I have dropped the Mozart sonata before I burned the score in frustration, and have added new repertoire which is not as lengthy. I was just at a point where I needed something finished so that I could get a sense of accomplishment.
Today worked on segments of several: Malaguena Piazzolla tangos: Oblivion and Libertango Mozart: (Requiem mass transcriptions) Aeterum and Lachrymosa Bach 943 second mvt
We'll see how this new plan works out. The positive thought is that my weekly lesson will now include multiple works in progress. I think this will deter me from chewing off my own hand in frustration. It's been a difficult summer so I'm working on a better fall.
Last night I am (not learning) dabbling in the middle section of etude 10-8 sunshine etude, and for the past few days have been using 123 5 or 234 5 432 1 , etc fingering (right hand) but not sure if this is correct. I was testing out 1 2 1 5 as well in some figurations but although easier at a slower tempo, i dont think that would work at the eventual suggested tempo? How did you who played it finger that middle section?
I started learning this etude a couple days ago, and I'm learning the middle section now. I'm using the fingering in the Henle edition, which seems to work well with my hands. I'm not exactly sure which measures you are referring to, can you be more specific?
I picked this etude to complement op. 10 no. 1, which is now in the polishing stage (may be stuck in this stage forever lol). Learning op. 10 no.1 has vastly strengthened my right 4th and 5th fingers, and no. 8 seems to focus on the 4th finger a lot (which is why I chose it). The middle section is a bit stretchy but not bad at all compared to no. 1. The outer sections fit my hands well and I have to resist playing at full tempo and make great efforts to slow down.
Like around measures 47-57 where each figurations ascend in the right hand. I thought it would be perhaps 1215 but now after delineating it out w more practice , 123 5 and so forth seems fine and doable w some stretch at slow tempo.
Yes if you can do 10-1 you should definitely be able to perform 10-8 I wish you luck. 10-1 was definitely a train wreck for me but I looked at it last year I may take it up again soon.
Brahms Intermezzo op. 116 no. 2 in A minor. Practiced yesterday, got closer to the phrasing and balance I liked, then went in for a lesson on it today and couldn't achieve any of what I wanted. Lesson was spent on how the phrasing & balance needed to be changed, and I left afterwards thinking how the lesson was wasted because I didn't tell my teacher that I knew already it was bad. Still struggling to get the piano to do what I hear in my head. Bleagh.
Yesterday I decided to really test my piano chops, so I just picked a hard page from near the end of Islamey and tried to learn it. Result: I can now play the page slowly and very messily. I impressed myself but I should still probably set it aside for a while.
Brahms Intermezzo op. 116 no. 2 in A minor. Practiced yesterday, got closer to the phrasing and balance I liked, then went in for a lesson on it today and couldn't achieve any of what I wanted. Lesson was spent on how the phrasing & balance needed to be changed, and I left afterwards thinking how the lesson was wasted because I didn't tell my teacher that I knew already it was bad. Still struggling to get the piano to do what I hear in my head. Bleagh.
Ah, it took me a LONG time to get that one to sound how I wanted - I'm not kidding.. It probably took the most time out of all 7...... (LOVE that set, btw!)
Speaking of which, I should really start practicing that set again soon..
Brahms Intermezzo op. 116 no. 2 in A minor. Practiced yesterday, got closer to the phrasing and balance I liked, then went in for a lesson on it today and couldn't achieve any of what I wanted. Lesson was spent on how the phrasing & balance needed to be changed, and I left afterwards thinking how the lesson was wasted because I didn't tell my teacher that I knew already it was bad. Still struggling to get the piano to do what I hear in my head. Bleagh.
I had this problem in a different Brahms pieces, and the exact thing actually happened to me for a couple lessons... I then started recording myself a lot more, even with smaller segments/passages, and analyzing my own playing. That helped me some, maybe you could try?
I had this problem in a different Brahms pieces, and the exact thing actually happened to me for a couple lessons... I then started recording myself a lot more, even with smaller segments/passages, and analyzing my own playing. That helped me some, maybe you could try?
This helps me a lot too.
Sometimes I feel/think that I am playing it in a way that I hear in my head, only to find out when I record it that I didn't play anything like I thought!
It's been happening a lot with my work on Debussy's first Arabesque, I thought I've sped up a lot in the mosso sections but when I heard it, I've barely even noticeably sped up. Listening to myself really helps me with the flow of the piece and what I actually want.
I have been learning Mozart d minor concerto with Beethoven cadenzas.
I went with Urtext edition, with Christian Zacharias as editor. It's interesting because his fingering is rather unorthodox. The fingering is intentionally awkward so as to bring out the particular nuances of the instruments that the piano is mimicking in the orchestra. The opposite would be jeu pearle, where the fingering makes sense from a pianistic point of view and everything flows nicely. The benefit of Zacharias' fingering is that it makes more sense musically, but it is harder to play fast. Hopefully it will have been worth the effort.
Brahms Intermezzo op. 116 no. 2 in A minor. Practiced yesterday, got closer to the phrasing and balance I liked, then went in for a lesson on it today and couldn't achieve any of what I wanted. Lesson was spent on how the phrasing & balance needed to be changed, and I left afterwards thinking how the lesson was wasted because I didn't tell my teacher that I knew already it was bad. Still struggling to get the piano to do what I hear in my head. Bleagh.
Ah, it took me a LONG time to get that one to sound how I wanted - I'm not kidding.. It probably took the most time out of all 7...... (LOVE that set, btw!)
Speaking of which, I should really start practicing that set again soon..
I love the whole set too. If I can get this piece to come out ok, I think I'll be using it as one of my piano shopping test pieces.
It's amazing how much work just one measure can take. To get the crescendo and decrescendo in the first measure to work out right, without the second of the two repeated notes sound like it is going to the second beat without sounding accented, not letting the decay of the piano sound interfere with the continuation of the melodic line, not falling back into my bad habit of trying to play softer than the piano can, along with an expansive feeling... I *think* the key for me is more in the shaping of the LH triplets to support the melody, but I'm not positive yet.
I should really record myself again, so that I can analyze what happened after the fact instead of during the playing itself. I've done recordings during practicing before to make sure that I'm getting the sounds I think I'm getting, although this time I'm pretty sure I'm not achieving what I want anyways and the recording will just reinforce what I already know.
Hmmm...today I went through the Rachmaninoff Corelli Variations at a very slow pace; his op. 32 a minor prelude, too, and did some real practice on that section about half-way through where he writes one his more "stretchy" and odd fingerings in the left hand - I can do it, slowly, but it's taking a little while to get it to feel natural; Prokofiev's op. 12 Scherzo - every time I look at it I wonder how others finger the double-note stuff; Prokofiev's op. 32 Gavotte, just reading for fun; Bach A maj. and a min. P&F from WTC I; Bach a min. and G maj. duets; Moscheles' "Terpsichore" etude - with the metronome bumped up one notch from my previous speed, without major disaster - yay!!; and an etude each by Toch, Friedman, and Moszkowski (why is it I can never remember whether it's "sz" or "zs" in Moszkowski? I had to google it right now....again).
Mercy, I didn't realize I'd done all that until I typed it out!! It didn't seem like so much when I was doing it.
I had an awesome time working on and memorizing it back in uni days, but some areas of this nasty etude wouldn't quite come up to speed.
Still, I gained a lot from the experience, and I know you will too. If only the greatest technicians are able to bring it up to perfection, there is much we can learn.
Wr - sounds like a great practice session , with a small theme of a minor.
It was good. And yes, I do this thing of having a "key of the month" to get me a bit more organized about the stuff I look at and work on, where I focus on pieces in both the major and minor of a particular key. October was A; November will be E. It probably sounds arbitrary and silly, but it is working for me, especially to get me to look at the entire WTC during the course of a year, rather than just the ones that I have found most attractive in the past. Plus, it gets me to do Hanon and scales and arpeggios in all the keys during a year, which is good.
Started working on the middle section of Chopin's Barcarolle. Finally starting to feel somewhat comfortable. Reading through the recapitulation and coda, I realize I'm going to have to memorize it in order to play it.
Does this fingering look alright for anyone who has played Chopin's etude Op 10 No 4? Measure 2 (the second full measure, not counting the first four 16th notes) I did: 3425 1325 1325 1325
Does this fingering look alright for anyone who has played Chopin's etude Op 10 No 4? Measure 2 (the second full measure, not counting the first four 16th notes) I did: 3425 1325 1325 1325
What did I practice today? Well, nothing. Why? First, I cut the tip of my right middle finger while breaking down a corrugated box- not too badly but it's painful. Then, because I was favoring the finger and holding my arm in an unaccustomed way, I slammed the same finger into a kitchen countertop and felt the knuckles go crunch. Yow! So now I've added blue and stiff and swollen to a cut fingertip. (Not broken, but painful). Typing is a challenge. Rats. This has put me in a really bad mood. On the plus side, my left hand will get a workout this week.
What did I practice today? Well, nothing. Why? First, I cut the tip of my right middle finger while breaking down a corrugated box- not too badly but it's painful. Then, because I was favoring the finger and holding my arm in an unaccustomed way, I slammed the same finger into a kitchen countertop and felt the knuckles go crunch. Yow! So now I've added blue and stiff and swollen to a cut fingertip. (Not broken, but painful). Typing is a challenge. Rats. This has put me in a really bad mood. On the plus side, my left hand will get a workout this week.
omg... so sorry to hear that. I'd be pi$$ed if it were me! I hate being injured, and anything that keeps me away from my piano....
What did I practice today? Well, nothing. Why? First, I cut the tip of my right middle finger while breaking down a corrugated box- not too badly but it's painful. Then, because I was favoring the finger and holding my arm in an unaccustomed way, I slammed the same finger into a kitchen countertop and felt the knuckles go crunch. Yow! So now I've added blue and stiff and swollen to a cut fingertip. (Not broken, but painful). Typing is a challenge. Rats. This has put me in a really bad mood. On the plus side, my left hand will get a workout this week.
Wow, Deborah. Hope you heal quickly. Be careful; it's a dangerous world out there away from the piano.
Does this fingering look alright for anyone who has played Chopin's etude Op 10 No 4? Measure 2 (the second full measure, not counting the first four 16th notes) I did: 3425 1325 1325 1325
And the next measure: 1253 1253 1253 1252
Stick with those fingerings. They are the same I used when studying from the Peters Edition.
I found it crucial to use the 2nd finger (instead of the 3rd) in the final beat and final 16th note of the 3rd measure. It is circled in my score, presumably because I may have experimented with using the 3rd, but that obviously didn't work for me. And frankly it makes no sense at that speed.
What did I practice today? Well, nothing. Why? First, I cut the tip of my right middle finger while breaking down a corrugated box- not too badly but it's painful. Then, because I was favoring the finger and holding my arm in an unaccustomed way, I slammed the same finger into a kitchen countertop and felt the knuckles go crunch. Yow! So now I've added blue and stiff and swollen to a cut fingertip. (Not broken, but painful). Typing is a challenge. Rats. This has put me in a really bad mood. On the plus side, my left hand will get a workout this week.
Wow, Deborah. Hope you heal quickly. Be careful; it's a dangerous world out there away from the piano.
As DameMyra says...
I fancy myself a bit of a handyman, and did a fair amount of work on the deck this Summer, but there was one unfortunate accident, though at least things healed quickly. My best to you, Deborah.
Does this fingering look alright for anyone who has played Chopin's etude Op 10 No 4? Measure 2 (the second full measure, not counting the first four 16th notes) I did: 3425 1325 1325 1325
And the next measure: 1253 1253 1253 1252
Stick with those fingerings. They are the same I used when studying from the Peters Edition.
I found it crucial to use the 2nd finger (instead of the 3rd) in the final beat and final 16th note of the 3rd measure. It is circled in my score, presumably because I may have experimented with using the 3rd, but that obviously didn't work for me. And frankly it makes no sense at that speed.
On the contrary, it makes no sense to use 2 at that speed.
Poor Deborah! Other than Godowsky there is also a lovely Scriabin prelude & nocturne for the left hand (about the only Scriabin I like so far, and I'm told it's easier than most...) Hoping for a speedy recovery.
Other than Godowsky there is also a lovely Scriabin prelude & nocturne for the left hand (about the only Scriabin I like so far, and I'm told it's easier than most...)
It's especially easy if you play it with two hands.
Does this fingering look alright for anyone who has played Chopin's etude Op 10 No 4? Measure 2 (the second full measure, not counting the first four 16th notes) I did: 3425 1325 1325 1325
And the next measure: 1253 1253 1253 1252
Stick with those fingerings. They are the same I used when studying from the Peters Edition.
I found it crucial to use the 2nd finger (instead of the 3rd) in the final beat and final 16th note of the 3rd measure. It is circled in my score, presumably because I may have experimented with using the 3rd, but that obviously didn't work for me. And frankly it makes no sense at that speed.
On the contrary, it makes no sense to use 2 at that speed.
The times I've tried it faster, it's seemed okay and even so far. I don't really have tension from the stretch between 2 and 5, and 5 seems to be consistently accurate. I tried the other fingering you suggested and it did feel smooth, but it would be harder for me to speed up, I think. I'll try it again tomorrow.
I fancy myself a bit of a handyman, and did a fair amount of work on the deck this Summer, but there was one unfortunate accident, though at least things healed quickly. My best to you, Deborah.
Originally Posted by hreichgott
Poor Deborah!
Other than Godowsky there is also a lovely Scriabin prelude & nocturne for the left hand (about the only Scriabin I like so far, and I'm told it's easier than most...) Hoping for a speedy recovery.
Thanks but I don't think it's serious - should be fine in about a week, so no, I'm not going to learn any left handed pieces. I worked on the Bach Chaconne for a while so maybe I'll bring it out again. (Incidentally, the Scriabin prelude was introduced to me quite painfully by a pianist who just didn't have the skill for it. I don't think I could learn it without getting sick.)
In lieu of practicing I went to the movies. "The Martian" was good but the book by Andy Weir was better.
Does this fingering look alright for anyone who has played Chopin's etude Op 10 No 4? Measure 2 (the second full measure, not counting the first four 16th notes) I did: 3425 1325 1325 1325
And the next measure: 1253 1253 1253 1252
Stick with those fingerings. They are the same I used when studying from the Peters Edition.
I found it crucial to use the 2nd finger (instead of the 3rd) in the final beat and final 16th note of the 3rd measure. It is circled in my score, presumably because I may have experimented with using the 3rd, but that obviously didn't work for me. And frankly it makes no sense at that speed.
On the contrary, it makes no sense to use 2 at that speed.
The times I've tried it faster, it's seemed okay and even so far. I don't really have tension from the stretch between 2 and 5, and 5 seems to be consistently accurate. I tried the other fingering you suggested and it did feel smooth, but it would be harder for me to speed up, I think. I'll try it again tomorrow.
Yes, your fingering for the second bar is fine, I just thought it was a little more heavy-handed than the one I suggested.
For the last note of the third bar, I really do recommend 3 instead of 2, to maintain continuity of the middle line. But I suppose 2 is possible as well.
Page 1 around 120 or so. It's pretty even I think, but could be even smoother, and I could do more with the parts without sixteenth notes. But hey, I just started. I'll probably be documenting my progress in this thread if anyone is interested in following along.
I wasn't going to practice, but then I saw this thread and felt guilty So, off to more Brahms - the intermezzo, second viola sonata, and Strauss' Standchen.
My hand is better but not 100%. Today I tried to practice for the first time all week. I'm working on Beethoven's Opus 28, first movement and I think it sounds awful. It's so uneven and my legato stinks. I'm tinkering with Mendelssohn's sonata opus 6 or maybe Mozart Rondo in A minor. Still polishing LVB opus 54. First movement sounds pretty darn good but 2nd movement has slipped a bit. Wish I could practice longer. Wish I hadn't been forced to grade about 1000 papers in the last 2 days. The quarter ends tomorrow. Ugh.
Got ready for a very peculiar day in the life of a freelance pianist. Tomorrow I'll be playing a ballet class at 11:30, a funeral at 1, teaching four lessons in the afternoon, and then opening night of Hello Dolly at 7. So many different experiences in one day. And so much different music on several very different pianos. (At least I can wear the same black dress for all of it.)
My hand is better but not 100%. Today I tried to practice for the first time all week. I'm working on Beethoven's Opus 28, first movement and I think it sounds awful. It's so uneven and my legato stinks. I'm tinkering with Mendelssohn's sonata opus 6 or maybe Mozart Rondo in A minor. Still polishing LVB opus 54. First movement sounds pretty darn good but 2nd movement has slipped a bit. Wish I could practice longer. Wish I hadn't been forced to grade about 1000 papers in the last 2 days. The quarter ends tomorrow. Ugh.
I thought about doing Beethoven's Op. 28, before I realized my legato also stinks. I still want to come around to it one of these days, but I decided 31/1 would be better for me immediately. I also really wanna play 111 (I'm on a huge Beethoven kick lately), but I must focus on only one sonata at a time. Hey, the reward of diving into another one is motivation for me to learn this one diligently
My hand is better but not 100%. Today I tried to practice for the first time all week. I'm working on Beethoven's Opus 28, first movement and I think it sounds awful. It's so uneven and my legato stinks. I'm tinkering with Mendelssohn's sonata opus 6 or maybe Mozart Rondo in A minor. Still polishing LVB opus 54. First movement sounds pretty darn good but 2nd movement has slipped a bit. Wish I could practice longer. Wish I hadn't been forced to grade about 1000 papers in the last 2 days. The quarter ends tomorrow. Ugh.
I thought about doing Beethoven's Op. 28, before I realized my legato also stinks. I still want to come around to it one of these days, but I decided 31/1 would be better for me immediately. I also really wanna play 111 (I'm on a huge Beethoven kick lately), but I must focus on only one sonata at a time. Hey, the reward of diving into another one is motivation for me to learn this one diligently
Opus 28 is so beautiful. During my years without a teacher I developed a crisp, clean technique which is nice to have sometimes, but just doesn't work with the Pastorale. There are a few 9ths that are just reachable for me but hard to pull off especially playing legato. The left hand repeated notes in the opening are so hard to keep even and quiet. I also really have to work on my pedaling. There are places where the right hand plays a sustained chord, left plays two staccato notes and then I have to catch the decaying right hand chord with the pedal to make a smooth change to the next chord. It's driving me crazy. Then there are the runs that sound too clean. Arggg!
I wanted to play 81a but my teacher said I would get too frustrated. Here I am playing the Pastorale, which is technically not that bad and I'm getting frustrated. I second that Arggg!
Got ready for a very peculiar day in the life of a freelance pianist. Tomorrow I'll be playing a ballet class at 11:30, a funeral at 1, teaching four lessons in the afternoon, and then opening night of Hello Dolly at 7. So many different experiences in one day. And so much different music on several very different pianos. (At least I can wear the same black dress for all of it.)
I find the first movement of Op. 28 is very technically challenging, or at least awkward, for the reasons you mentioned. I don't have particularly large hands, so the legato 9ths would be tough on me, too.
Got ready for a very peculiar day in the life of a freelance pianist. Tomorrow I'll be playing a ballet class at 11:30, a funeral at 1, teaching four lessons in the afternoon, and then opening night of Hello Dolly at 7. So many different experiences in one day. And so much different music on several very different pianos. (At least I can wear the same black dress for all of it.)