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Posted By: ShiroKuro Got the piano moved! - 11/14/19 03:06 PM
Well, the piano guys came today. I still haven't decided what to do about some of the bookshelves in the room, but I think I like the placement better. (I hope I do, Mr. SK will have a fit if I tell him I want to pay another $150 to have it moved again! whome

They ended up taking off one leg and putting the piano onto their dolly (so the piano is tipped up onto its side) and then rolling the dolly off the rug so we could rotate the rug, then getting the piano into the new spot (again, using the dolly) and then putting the piano back upright and reattaching the leg. These guys are super good at what they do, you can see that they do everything in very specific ways to avoid damaging the piano, the rug, the walls, or themselves. Oh, so I should add, this time I watched the whole thing. When I first got the piano, I couldn't watch, I was terrified of anything going wrong. :P

Anyway, I still need to think about where I want the various bookshelves and small furniture items in the room, but here are some photos I snapped before coming into work:

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P.S. Just in case: yes, the vent under the piano is completely closed, yes I know to be carefully about the window. The window on the short wall doesn't get any direct sun in the winter and gets only a little sliver at the end of the day in summer, so we will make sure the blinds and curtains are closed then. The big window faces kind of north-northeast, but there's a porch there (i.e. the window is under a roof) so there's never any sun coming in from that window either.
Posted By: Stubbie Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/14/19 03:43 PM
Looks great! Having professional movers do the job was worth it, imo. There's a lot that could go awry with a job like that if you were winging it on your own.

How are the acoustics in the room with the new position? Do you usually play with the lid at half-stick?
Posted By: Rickster Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/14/19 03:55 PM
Looks great, ShiroKuro!

Hope you like this set up better, and it works out better for your future piano parties! smile

All the best!

Rick
Posted By: Learux Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/14/19 04:08 PM
I like it better, Also I think the sound projection should be better this way.
Posted By: violarules Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/14/19 04:53 PM
No question, that was $150 well spent. Enjoy!
Posted By: NobleHouse Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/14/19 05:08 PM
Really looks nice. Hope you enjoy the new setup.
Posted By: BruceD Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/14/19 09:27 PM
I much prefer the new arrangement and I am glad that you had professionals do the move. This looks much more appropriate for small recitals, too, as far as the position of the pianist and the seating of the audience are concerned.

Enjoy!

Regards,
Posted By: Tyrone Slothrop Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/14/19 11:46 PM
Beautiful piano and room! Really like the room accents - the horned dragon and the temple sculpture.
Posted By: ShiroKuro Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/15/19 01:58 AM
Thanks everyone!

Stubbie, I do usually play on the short stick. But I took some photos with it all the way up, see below smile Sure looks purdy that way!

Rick and Bruce, yes this will work so much better for mini recitals!! I have a few planned already, and my violin friend is coming over this weekend so we can practice our pieces. Now that it's all re-arranged, I am super excited about all that!! And I just love how it looks when I'm sitting there playing, and also how it feels to sit in the room when not playing. It will be so much easier to arrange to make room for more seating too. Yay!!

Thank you Tyrone! The horned dragon is a "bull demon" from Mr. SK's hometown, and the temple is actually a Japanese castle (modeled after a real place) that Mr. SK made out of cereal boxes!

I got a great suggestion to move the bookshelf to fill up the empty space in the back corner. I did and I think it looks even better now! Also doing that means I now have access to my piano shelf while practicing, and my two chairs are now sitting facing each other, which I love!

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Also, OMG I almost forgot the most important part!!!!!

The piano sounds amazing!!! I figured it would sound a little better with the lid open to the long part of the room (and also with the door to the hallway etc) but wow, I was not expecting what a huge difference it makes!! The bass sounds so much richer! It sounds better across the keyboard really. Wow!! I am so glad I did this!
Posted By: ebonykawai Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/15/19 02:08 AM
I love it, very lovely music room! 😍😍😍
Posted By: supersport Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/15/19 02:21 AM
Very nice ShiroKuro
Posted By: Stubbie Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/15/19 04:10 AM
Ooh, the bookcase in the corner is a great idea. I have one within reach when I sit at my piano and it's great! So handy.
Posted By: Learux Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/15/19 05:07 AM
Same here, just a quick swing to the left and all my books within reach!
Posted By: johnstaf Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/15/19 05:12 AM
Now that is nice.
Posted By: lisalewis7 Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/15/19 07:02 AM
It looks like a wonderful place for cozy family music evenings! You did everything perfectly!
Posted By: ShiroKuro Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/15/19 07:44 PM
Thanks y'all! I am so, so happy with it like this!!!!
Posted By: Sam S Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/15/19 09:38 PM
Looks wonderful - is that the piano you played in the ABF recital? Sounds great!

Sam
Posted By: P W Grey Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/16/19 01:01 AM
ShiroKuro,

Nice work. I'm glad you hired the pros. 👍

Now just a wee bit of advice (unless you already know this) is to always keep the lid in the fully down position when not in use. The reason for this is that if left up 24/7 (and ESPECIALLY on the short stick) you will end with a warped lid. And if it warps enough you will have trouble closing it. I have seen grands that will not close due to this.

When it's time play, open it up. When done, close it. As I said, if you already know this...great, but for the benefit of any who wonder whether they should leave their lid up or down, the above is my advice.

Pwg
Posted By: ShiroKuro Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/16/19 02:16 AM
Originally Posted by Sam S
Looks wonderful - is that the piano you played in the ABF recital? Sounds great!


Sam, thank you!! Yes this is the piano in my recital submission, thought that was recording before the piano was moved into this position. I wonder if this new position will be noticeable the next time I record. Hmmm

Peter, I *always* close the lid and fallboard when I'm not playing, though I do that to keep dust out of the piano and just for protection in general. I hadn't thought about the warping, yikes!

Here's a question: the seller had the original felt keybaord cover, the one you can put between the keyboard and the fallboard, but he had it inside the original bench, which I don't use, so I forgot that it was even there!

Is there a reason to use that felt cover when closing the fallboard?
Posted By: BruceD Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/16/19 03:38 AM
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
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Here's a question: the seller had the original felt keybaord cover, the one you can put between the keyboard and the fallboard, but he had it inside the original bench, which I don't use, so I forgot that it was even there!

Is there a reason to use that felt cover when closing the fallboard?


My take on that is it's either the fallboard or the keycover, not necessarily both.

My further take is that a closed fallboard always makes the piano look as though its message is either a) "Nobody loves me!" or b) "Do NOT touch me!" I always leave my fallboard open; the piano is always welcoming.

If I were pressed to choose one or the other, I would definitely use the keyboard cover, leaving the fallboard open. But, as they say, YMMV.

Regards,
Posted By: j&j Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/16/19 02:30 PM
ShiroKuro- beautiful piano in a beautiful music room. It must make practice time = relaxation and enjoyment time. Congratulations 🎊🍾🎉🎊
Posted By: j&j Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/16/19 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
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Here's a question: the seller had the original felt keybaord cover, the one you can put between the keyboard and the fallboard, but he had it inside the original bench, which I don't use, so I forgot that it was even there!

Is there a reason to use that felt cover when closing the fallboard?


My take on that is it's either the fallboard or the keycover, not necessarily both.

My further take is that a closed fallboard always makes the piano look as though its message is either a) "Nobody loves me!" or b) "Do NOT touch me!" I always leave my fallboard open; the piano is always welcoming.

If I were pressed to choose one or the other, I would definitely use the keyboard cover, leaving the fallboard open. But, as they say, YMMV.

Regards,

Because ShiroKuro has the piano in a music room not in the living room, really the only protection the piano needs is from dust. For me, the piano is in the greatroom so I open it and close it everyday because dust is absolutely everywhere and I dread people dropping food or drinks into or on the piano. I use one of my Yamaha felt covers with a closed fallboard. Overkill to be sure, but again dust is just a fact of life in high desert. But a fully open piano is a beautiful thing.
Posted By: Stubbie Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/16/19 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
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Here's a question: the seller had the original felt keybaord cover, the one you can put between the keyboard and the fallboard, but he had it inside the original bench, which I don't use, so I forgot that it was even there!

Is there a reason to use that felt cover when closing the fallboard?


My take on that is it's either the fallboard or the keycover, not necessarily both.

My further take is that a closed fallboard always makes the piano look as though its message is either a) "Nobody loves me!" or b) "Do NOT touch me!" I always leave my fallboard open; the piano is always welcoming.

If I were pressed to choose one or the other, I would definitely use the keyboard cover, leaving the fallboard open. But, as they say, YMMV.

Regards,
I always close the fallboard cover. Love the pneumatic device for a nice, gentle closing. I like the extra protection from dust (and whatever other objects that might be headed for the keyboard) that the fallboard cover gives.
Posted By: ShiroKuro Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/16/19 04:53 PM
I know a lot of people share the view that a closed fallboard looks uninviting or looks like the message is "don't play me."

I have never understood that. If you had a violin or a guitar, you would put it back in its case after playing. And when you were ready to play again, you take it out. Same with the piano's lid and fallboard, AFAIC.

A piano with a closed fallboard never looks uninviting to me. it just looks like the last person who played "cleaned up" after themselves... But then, I always push the chairs back in under the table when I get up...

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Posted By: Rickster Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/16/19 05:32 PM
Since the subject matter has shifted slightly to lids and fallboards, ( smile ) I keep the lid closed, with front fly-lid(?) folded back, music desk up, and fallboard up all the time on my grand pianos. On occasion, I will raise the lid on the tall prop (rarely on the short prop) enjoy my playing and then close the lid, leaving fly-lid folded back. Rarely do I close everything up completely.

Yea, more dust is likely to get inside the piano, but a certain amount of dust is going to get in, regardless of the position of the lid or fallboard, because there are small gaps at the edges of both lid and fallboard. Nothing is completely sealed from dust.

I suppose if you want to keep as much dust as possible out/off the piano, closing it all up and using a cover is the best approach. But if you play often, as I do, removing, folding, and reinstalling the cover would get tiresome, to me at least.

Just my .02. smile

Rick
Posted By: j&j Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/16/19 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by Rickster
Since the subject matter has shifted slightly to lids and fallboards, ( smile ) I keep the lid closed, with front fly-lid(?) folded back, music desk up, and fallboard up all the time on my grand pianos. On occasion, I will raise the lid on the tall prop (rarely on the short prop) enjoy my playing and then close the lid, leaving fly-lid folded back. Rarely do I close everything up completely.

Yea, more dust is likely to get inside the piano, but a certain amount of dust is going to get in, regardless of the position of the lid or fallboard, because there are small gaps at the edges of both lid and fallboard. Nothing is completely sealed from dust.

I suppose if you want to keep as much dust as possible out/off the piano, closing it all up and using a cover is the best approach. But if you play often, as I do, removing, folding, and reinstalling the cover would get tiresome, to me at least.

Just my .02. smile

Rick


I completely close the piano when I’m not playing. We have a senior rescue Airedale, so dustbunneys of pet hair and wet nose prints are always a factor. To practice I most often just put back the fly lid, pull out and adjust the music desk, open fallboard, take off the key cover and place music on the rack. Occasionally when I’m alone I’ll open to full stick. If the people we’re entertaining aren’t complete clutses, I’ll fully open the piano for display. But only one of my friends even plays so really no one really appreciates a beautiful piano but me, so really why bother.
Except for my PW friends, a piano nerds’ incessant blabbering about pianos is pretty boring.
Posted By: ShiroKuro Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/17/19 12:38 PM
I play/practice pretty much every day. Every time I play, I open up the piano, i.e. fallboard and lid (usually put the lid on the short stick), set up the music desk, pull out the bench. Oh and I also get out my iPad and set up my foot pedal, and if I'm working on new or complex music (like now) I also get out a paper score. And then I repeat the whole process in reverse when I'm done. Sometimes Mr. SK does the lid for me (it's awfully heavy).

I don't feel like the opening/set-up and then closing/clean-up are at all time consuming. And at the beginning of practice, it's kind of nice because it sort helps me shift my brain away from work or other things and into music-mode.

I think grand pianos look much better with their lids up and the keyboard visible. But I thinking keeping it closed up when not in use is better/safer for the instrument.

Oh, and on a side note, whenever I see a photo of a piano with the fallboard closed, esp if the lid it up but the fallboard is closed, I always assume the photographer is not a player! laugh

You'd be surprised at how many ads for used pianos have photos like that, where *none* of the photos have the fallboard open. Although if it's Craigslist, I assume either that the photographer doesn't play, or that there's something wrong with the condition of the keyboard!
Posted By: j&j Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/17/19 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
I play/practice pretty much every day. Every time I play, I open up the piano, i.e. fallboard and lid (usually put the lid on the short stick), set up the music desk, pull out the bench. Oh and I also get out my iPad and set up my foot pedal, and if I'm working on new or complex music (like now) I also get out a paper score. And then I repeat the whole process in reverse when I'm done. Sometimes Mr. SK does the lid for me (it's awfully heavy).

I don't feel like the opening/set-up and then closing/clean-up are at all time consuming. And at the beginning of practice, it's kind of nice because it sort helps me shift my brain away from work or other things and into music-mode.

I think grand pianos look much better with their lids up and the keyboard visible. But I thinking keeping it closed up when not in use is better/safer for the instrument.

Oh, and on a side note, whenever I see a photo of a piano with the fallboard closed, esp if the lid it up but the fallboard is closed, I always assume the photographer is not a player! laugh

You'd be surprised at how many ads for used pianos have photos like that, where *none* of the photos have the fallboard open. Although if it's Craigslist, I assume either that the photographer doesn't play, or that there's something wrong with the condition of the keyboard!


That’s really lovely that Mr. SK opens the heavy piano lid for you!
Posted By: ShiroKuro Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/17/19 03:11 PM
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That’s really lovely that Mr. SK opens the heavy piano lid for you!


He's a pretty great guy! 3hearts
Posted By: BruceD Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/17/19 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
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Oh, and on a side note, whenever I see a photo of a piano with the fallboard closed, esp if the lid it up but the fallboard is closed, I always assume the photographer is not a player! laugh

You'd be surprised at how many ads for used pianos have photos like that, where *none* of the photos have the fallboard open. Although if it's Craigslist, I assume either that the photographer doesn't play, or that there's something wrong with the condition of the keyboard!


And then there are instances where, in photgraphs:
- the piano lid is on full stick but the front lid has not been folded back, so the whole weight of the front lid is being held by the hinge and its little screws, and
- the piano lid is on full stick but the stick is in the wrong "hole" in the lid.

Both are photographers' recipes for disaster!

Regards,
Posted By: Qwerty53 Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/17/19 10:46 PM
I find that I enjoy the rituals of preparing to play. Often the first thing I do after making my coffee in the morning is to walk over — carefully holding the coffee far far away from the piano — and turn on the light that illuminates my music. It is then a sort of invitation to return to the piano corner before long. Opening the fallboard is another part of the ritual, when I am ready to sit down to play. I mostly don’t open the top of my upright, except when I record. When I finish playing for the day, I make sure to close the top of the piano, because who wants to extract a cat who went exploring in the middle of the night?! Then, when I close the fallboard, it feels like I’m thanking my piano for the day and tucking it in safely for the night. Okay, yeah, dust and cat hair, and little feet running on the keyboard ... but there’s also something very satisfying about these rituals.
Posted By: j&j Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/17/19 11:01 PM
Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
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Oh, and on a side note, whenever I see a photo of a piano with the fallboard closed, esp if the lid it up but the fallboard is closed, I always assume the photographer is not a player! laugh

You'd be surprised at how many ads for used pianos have photos like that, where *none* of the photos have the fallboard open. Although if it's Craigslist, I assume either that the photographer doesn't play, or that there's something wrong with the condition of the keyboard!


And then there are instances where, in photgraphs:
- the piano lid is on full stick but the front lid has not been folded back, so the whole weight of the front lid is being held by the hinge and its little screws, and
- the piano lid is on full stick but the stick is in the wrong "hole" in the lid.

Both are photographers' recipes for disaster!

Regards,


My piano dealer and piano delivery guys all showed me specifically how to open and close the piano and long stick vs short stick positions. With each baby grand and grand I purchased. All of them gave me directions for how to clean the finish. You know, like I couldn’t YouTube it in 2019. I appreciated it and decided I’m looking a lot older lately 🥺
Posted By: ShiroKuro Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/18/19 12:57 AM
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the piano lid is on full stick but the front lid has not been folded back, so the whole weight of the front lid is being held by the hinge and its little screws


Ugh! I've seen that a few times too! I hate seeing photos like that because it is just begging to be fixed!! :P

j&j, not "looking older" but probably just very customer service/after care!
Posted By: SoundThumb Re: Got the piano moved! - 11/19/19 05:53 AM
Originally Posted by Qwerty53
I find that I enjoy the rituals of preparing to play. Often the first thing I do after making my coffee in the morning is to walk over — carefully holding the coffee far far away from the piano — and turn on the light that illuminates my music. It is then a sort of invitation to return to the piano corner before long. Opening the fallboard is another part of the ritual, when I am ready to sit down to play. I mostly don’t open the top of my upright, except when I record. When I finish playing for the day, I make sure to close the top of the piano, because who wants to extract a cat who went exploring in the middle of the night?! Then, when I close the fallboard, it feels like I’m thanking my piano for the day and tucking it in safely for the night. Okay, yeah, dust and cat hair, and little feet running on the keyboard ... but there’s also something very satisfying about these rituals.


I never thought of this as a ritual , but you are exactly right. I do the same thing, open it up in the morning to begin practice, and then close it completely at night before going to bed.
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