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Posted By: Rich Galassini A new concept? - 10/03/19 10:12 AM
Hi All,

I sort of can't believe this hasn't been done before, but here you go,


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Could the same concept be applied to pianos? Cocktails and Keys? What are your thoughts?

I should mention that this is from the current Music Trades, the music industry news source.
Posted By: johnstaf Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 10:29 AM
Originally Posted by Rich Galassini

Could the same concept be applied to pianos? Cocktails and Keys? What are your thoughts?


The ball's in your court. grin laugh smile
Posted By: dogperson Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 11:16 AM
Yes, I think this could be done but I would be fearful of cocktails near any piano !!! Maybe ‘no drink or food policy’ in the piano display area? It would also be a way for area musicians to network

You could also start a ‘Meetup Group’ at Cunningham ‘s so that the members would also be the entertainment
Posted By: NobleHouse Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by dogperson
Yes, I think this could be done but I would be fearful of cocktails near any piano !!! Maybe ‘no drink or food policy’ in the piano display area? It would also be a way for area musicians to network

You could also start a ‘Meetup Group’ at Cunningham ‘s so that the members would also be the entertainment



+1 Go for it Rich!
Posted By: ShiroKuro Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 12:17 PM
Coffee and Keys!! (Ok, or Koffee and Keys?)

That would work for afternoons as well as evenings.
Posted By: S. Phillips Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 12:45 PM
Those guitar stores have the instruments hung up out of reach. The pianos of course can't be displayed like that.

I would have a heart attack watching people with drinks standing around the pianos, not to mention the issue of intoxicated customers hanging out and not leaving. I am horrified by pink recital punch and little cookie fingers. Every piano in my store has a cover. Nothing is opened unless it is being tuned or shown. I am a fanatic about keeping stock pristine.

I love having recitals for children and adults but the new stock is in another room when we host those events.
Posted By: Fluxo Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 01:03 PM
ha laugh lol
Posted By: Learux Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 01:24 PM
Drinks and fine piano's don't go together unfortunately.
Posted By: Steve Chandler Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 01:52 PM
It sounds like the idea is to have guitars available for patrons to try out. Having worked in MI retail I can see this as problematic. Musicians love to try out guitars but usually their ambitions exceed their financial capability to pay. While alcohol may loosen the purse strings of those with some ability to pay the potential for it to turn into drunken jam session heaven could be deleterious to the intent (actually selling guitars).

As for pianos, I've shopped for and purchased a fairly high ticket piano. I bought from the store that gave me lunch (no alcohol necessary). While I can play guitar reasonably well while inebriated, the same cannot be said for playing piano. I need my full mental faculties to play piano well enough to really evaluate an instrument. In fact I need a reasonable amount of warm up (exercises and scales) before I can really get a sense of what I can do with a particular a piano. I think piano stores would be well advised to have an instrument in a sound proof booth so patrons can warm up before exiting onto the sales floor to actually check out pianos.
Posted By: Steve Cohen Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 02:16 PM
The space needed to display even a very limited number of pianos would likely result in rent that was unaffordable.
Posted By: MarkL Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 02:22 PM
Kahluas and Keys
Posted By: ChatNoir Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 03:12 PM
Nothing wrong with Cocktails for two....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRjCrOrCLfY
Posted By: Skjalg Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 05:26 PM
In my hipster neighbourhood there is a bike repair, café & bar shop, and it seems to prosper rather well. I think there are a few prerequisites, and least in these parts. It must be two separate areas, so one part can be closed off but at the same time be viewed, and it should be close to public transport (drink & drive is not a good combination). I found the concept very interesting. The closest I have seen in piano shops is to arrange events via social media such as facebook, where various artists or graduating students keep a concert. That works quite well I think, although some do it better than others.
Posted By: iLaw Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 07:29 PM
I get invitations from time to time from the Chicago-area Steinway dealer to come to a (Steinway artist) evening concert in the showroom, serving drinks and hors d'oeuvres before, during, and after the concert. Very much a cocktail party atmosphere with plenty of opportunity to sit down and try out a piano (just don't put your drink on it!). I'm pretty sure the Fazioli/Yamaha dealer does the same thing, but they're not so easy for me to get to in the evening.

Larry.
Posted By: Lady Bird Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 08:06 PM
Can you you imagine, beer stained Abel hammers ,pieces of food in the Renner action, stained soundboard ?
A short good recital on a Bösendorfer or Cunningham pianos in an adjoining room. Tea or Coffee at
interval (during the recital).After a short discussion about pianos .,Then a tour which encourages people to try a few pianos.That is all ! (sorry limitations on fun ?)
Posted By: Geusey Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Coffee and Keys!! (Ok, or Koffee and Keys?)

That would work for afternoons as well as evenings.


Heck, I've got a Fazioli and a coffee maker. I'll host Koffee and Keys any time!
Posted By: Chrispy Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 09:05 PM
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted By: BDB Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by S. Phillips
Those guitar stores have the instruments hung up out of reach. The pianos of course can't be displayed like that.


Either your imagination or your bolts are not strong enough!
Posted By: Sam S Re: A new concept? - 10/03/19 10:25 PM
Come on guys - it's been done!



Sam
Posted By: j&j Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 12:32 AM
Grand Idea, Rich. The “no drinks around pianos” and a few steely eyed sales folk/bouncers keep the drinks in the eating and drinking area. We used to have a Harley shop that was attached to a small pub type cafe with indoor tables and outdoor picnic area. You couldn’t take any food or drinks around the bikes on display. You were free to leave your food on the table and clean your hands before sitting on any bike. The new Harley shop serves coffee at small tables and you of course put it down before sitting on a bike. They also serve hot dogs, chips, and a coke for $2 outside the store where you can walk around and check out the used bikes parked outside.
Car dealers serve free pizza and soda on weekend and you can take food to scattered tables inside and outside. But naturally no pizza when you sit in their cars or trucks. Sales folk police the no food in new vehicles policy.
Or even a microbrewery that serves typical bar fare in a clear area dining area and have some of your local pianist talent play your latest “featured grands” on Friday night. Have them play for about an hour or so, when the customers are done eating they can stick around to try some of your new or used pianos.
Posted By: NobleHouse Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 12:36 AM
Originally Posted by Sam S
Come on guys - it's been done!



Sam


I always liked Doris Day.
Posted By: Lady Bird Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 01:10 AM
Originally Posted by j&j
Grand Idea, Rich. The “no drinks around pianos” and a few steely eyed sales folk/bouncers keep the drinks in the eating and drinking area. We used to have a Harley shop that was attached to a small pub type cafe with indoor tables and outdoor picnic area. You couldn’t take any food or drinks around the bikes on display. You were free to leave your food on the table and clean your hands before sitting on any bike. The new Harley shop serves coffee at small tables and you of course put it down before sitting on a bike. They also serve hot dogs, chips, and a coke for $2 outside the store where you can walk around and check out the used bikes parked outside.
Car dealers serve free pizza and soda on weekend and you can take food to scattered tables inside and outside. But naturally no pizza when you sit in their cars or trucks. Sales folk police the no food in new vehicles policy.
Or even a microbrewery that serves typical bar fare in a clear area dining area and have some of your local pianist talent play your latest “featured grands” on Friday night. Have them play for about an hour or so, when the customers are done eating they can stick around to try some of your new or used pianos.

Bouncers in piano stores ,J&J can you just imagine .
"but I just put my beer on the Bosendorfer "
Posted By: Norbert Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 02:43 AM
Cocktails and Keys”??
Expect a lot mor customers for cocktails!
Norbert🥴🤩
Posted By: j&j Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 03:14 AM
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by j&j
Grand Idea, Rich. The “no drinks around pianos” and a few steely eyed sales folk/bouncers keep the drinks in the eating and drinking area. We used to have a Harley shop that was attached to a small pub type cafe with indoor tables and outdoor picnic area. You couldn’t take any food or drinks around the bikes on display. You were free to leave your food on the table and clean your hands before sitting on any bike. The new Harley shop serves coffee at small tables and you of course put it down before sitting on a bike. They also serve hot dogs, chips, and a coke for $2 outside the store where you can walk around and check out the used bikes parked outside.
Car dealers serve free pizza and soda on weekend and you can take food to scattered tables inside and outside. But naturally no pizza when you sit in their cars or trucks. Sales folk police the no food in new vehicles policy.
Or even a microbrewery that serves typical bar fare in a clear area dining area and have some of your local pianist talent play your latest “featured grands” on Friday night. Have them play for about an hour or so, when the customers are done eating they can stick around to try some of your new or used pianos.

Bouncers in piano stores ,J&J can you just imagine .
"but I just put my beer on the Bosendorfer "

They have security in Guitar Center. I think a big burly guy in a leather vest could keep folks with beer away from the Bosendorfers with just that “look”. grin
Posted By: Lady Bird Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 04:36 AM
I agree, nothing so funny as someone running away from a Bösendorfer with a beer glass in his hand and a man with a taser after him !
Where do we buy the tickets J&J ? I wonder if I could rather have champagne? Are you having a beer ?
Posted By: Ben_NZ Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 04:57 AM
The store where I bought my piano subsequently renovated to turn the entrance of their premises into a cafe:
link to the cafe page on their website
You walk through the cafe seating to get to the pianos and guitars etc.

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I don't find it helpful for piano shopping - I visited once and the cafe portion of the store had music playing, and there's naturally a bit of noise from making coffee, people talking etc. Personally I'd prefer not to have the noise or the extra people present when evaluating pianos - what if I'm disturbing their conversations by making an unpleasant piano-testing racket?
However, that's just me, and this store is a business who must know what they're doing - perhaps the cafe is more profitable than using that same floor space for a few more pianos or racks of sheet music?
Posted By: j&j Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I agree, nothing so funny as someone running away from a Bösendorfer with a beer glass in his hand and a man with a taser after him !
Where do we buy the tickets J&J ? I wonder if I could rather have champagne? Are you having a beer ?

Hi LadyBird- I haven’t heard of such a piano store yet, unless Rich tries something like that. 😄
If I’m looking at Bosendorfers, I’d stick with coffee or a single beer. Champagne goes to my head and I’d might buy a much more expensive gorgeous piano than I have room or money for. Unless you promise to stop my foolishness 🤣.
Posted By: j&j Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 01:42 PM
What I liked about the idea of a cafe or pub as part of a music store is that the music store could hold monthly evening or weekend jam sessions featuring local artists. People would go to the event to have a bite and maybe a beer and be entertained. There would be something to keep previous customers coming back and something for new potential customers to experience. The monthly entertainment keeps people interested and in the loop. If I’m trying out pianos, I could maybe take some time in the cafe to get a cheeseburger with homemade potato chips (totally irresistible) for the family discussion about who liked what piano best and consider how much we really want to spend. Just kind of a twist on the typical piano lessons in the piano store to keep people interested in visiting and spending time listening and looking at pianos. If nothing else, if the food is good, the cafe could help cover the slow traffic times in the music store. BTW, I’ve never owned a cafe or a music store so more experienced people here on PW can of course correct my complete naivety.
Posted By: Rickster Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 02:04 PM
Originally Posted by j&j
Champagne goes to my head and I’d might buy a much more expensive gorgeous piano than I have room or money for.

I think this is likely the goal and the main idea of mixing alcohol and piano shopping. Alcohol is a depressant and dulls the senses to the point of slowed reaction time and impaired memory and mental sharpness. Get em' drunk and sell em' an expensive piano. smile

My dad always told me that a drunk is attracted to music. A good combination/strategy for piano sales. (just kidding! smile )

I don't drink alcoholic beverages myself. Seen too many alcoholics that couldn't control their habit and abused and mistreated everyone in their life, and beyond. Don't care to be around a belligerent drunk, or any drunk.

I agree with Sally Phillips... alcohol consumption and piano stores is not a good mix. Bars typically have a good source of music for those who love to drink, dance and party till they provoke a fight, puke on someone and wake up the next morning with a hangover and a few less healthy brain cells... or worse, kill some innocent person and, or themselves while driving home drunk.

Well, Rich, you wanted thoughts and ideas, and those are mine, for better or worse. smile

Rick
Posted By: Steve Chandler Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by Ben_NZ

However, that's just me, and this store is a business who must know what they're doing - perhaps the cafe is more profitable than using that same floor space for a few more pianos or racks of sheet music?

That would be my guess. It would seem to me that a wall would be a good investment to keep the two businesses separate and make it easier for piano shoppers to concentrate on the task.
Posted By: Lady Bird Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by j&j
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I agree, nothing so funny as someone running away from a Bösendorfer with a beer glass in his hand and a man with a taser after him !
Where do we buy the tickets J&J ? I wonder if I could rather have champagne? Are you having a beer ?

Hi LadyBird- I haven’t heard of such a piano store yet, unless Rich tries something like that. 😄
If I’m looking at Bosendorfers, I’d stick with coffee or a single beer. Champagne goes to my head and I’d might buy a much more expensive gorgeous piano than I have room or money for. Unless you promise to stop my foolishness 🤣.

Well If you mean I can stop myself being foolish and and spending all my life savings on a Bösendorfer I better stick to water. You can have your beer or I can give you a tranquilizer !
You may need it after meeting me ! I usually drive people crazy or to despair ?
Posted By: j&j Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 07:08 PM
It seems some large business office suites include a small coffee service suite and some tables or chairs for customers convenience. I guess for a piano store, I’d be happy with a stocked Keurig station and chilled half and half to sip while I wait perched on the cheap plastic chairs at the front of the store. Next to the slim selection of sheet music.
It’s just me but if I’m buying a piano, which is usually a pretty nice chunk of change, why don’t they have a waiting area witH maybe a couple comfortable couches, a coffee table, and nice books showing “the Sauter Piano History” with beautiful pictures?
It seems more piano stores around here go for the warehouse motif.
Posted By: Lady Bird Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 08:37 PM
Sauter Piano History ? History ,Sauter pianos are very much alive J&J ? I could Say things
Too........ You getting at me deliberately?
Really the warehouse Motif ?
Well thank goodness for Tom lee and Showcase pianos, in Vancouver they prep thier pianos so well !
You mean they leave part of the packaging inside the Bosendorfer's ???
Posted By: S. Phillips Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 08:53 PM
Floor space is at a premium in retail. I have sporadic events at my store all the time but they are timed events. 7PM to 9PM or Sunday afternoon for a couple of hours for a recital. Mixing products for sale might work really great for guitars. Let's see where they are in 2 years. I am reminded of one of the worst combination retail efforts I have ever seen when a fellow opened a store selling perfume and wood stoves. It died before it made it to Christmas.
Posted By: BruceD Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Sauter Piano History ? History ,Sauter pianos are very much alive J&J ? I could Say things
Too........ You getting at me deliberately?
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I think that you must misunderstand the word "history" in this context, because it sounds as if you are taking offence at the reference. "History," in this context, has nothing to do with the demise of a brand, but rather an explanation of how a brand came to be, how it has lasted and how it continues to flourish, the latter of which is certainly the case with the Sauter brand.

Steinway has a beautiful, large, coffee-table book published for Steinway in 1989 by Chronicle Books of San Francisco, in which the history - i.e. development and growth - of the piano brand is laid out in text and beautiful photographs.

This suggestion by J & J, I believe, was actually a very positive comment on Sauter.

Regards,
Posted By: Lady Bird Re: A new concept? - 10/04/19 09:40 PM
Thank you Bruce ! You did help.I was just slightly disturbed , slightly paranoid
strangely because of some history of Sauter conflicts on PW .
It was not serious as I know J&J is a nice peaceful person who not passive aggressive in nature.
Sorry J&J for getting all prickly again about Sauter !
Sorry to Rich for being OT and saying such things ! Thank you again to Bruce.
Posted By: j&j Re: A new concept? - 10/05/19 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Sauter Piano History ? History ,Sauter pianos are very much alive J&J ? I could Say things
Too........ You getting at me deliberately?
Really the warehouse Motif ?
Well thank goodness for Tom lee and Showcase pianos, in Vancouver they prep thier pianos so well !
You mean they leave part of the packaging inside the Bosendorfer's ???

No offense meant. I was thinking of a lovely coffee table book fully illustrated on the long fine history of Sauter pianos with beautiful pictures. I thought you would love looking at it at a piano store.
Warehouse motif - is the general layout of the piano stores near me. Little decore, kinda like a Costco for Pianos. I absolutely was not picking on you, Sauter, or your two lovely uprights, or even your local piano stores. Probably much different than what I’ve seen around here. Thank you BruceD!
Posted By: Retsacnal Re: A new concept? - 10/05/19 01:39 PM
I like the movie theaters that sell food and drinks!

I'm reminded of businesses that start off doing one thing, but find another more profitable. Like the Discovery channel showing "reality" shows, or Headline News showing cold cases round the clock.

You might discover that selling drinks is more profitable than selling pianos.
Posted By: j&j Re: A new concept? - 10/05/19 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by Retsacnal
I like the movie theaters that sell food and drinks!

I'm reminded of businesses that start off doing one thing, but find another more profitable. Like the Discovery channel showing "reality" shows, or Headline News showing cold cases round the clock.

You might discover that selling drinks is more profitable than selling pianos.

There’s certainly a lot more bars and coffee shops around than piano stores, which would mean there be a lot more competition selling drinks than there is selling pianos.
Discovery channel majors in reality shows just like the History Channel, the Learning Channel and A&E. I’m not sure if these shows are all on HLN but there’s tons cold case homicide shows. And Locked Up Abroad, “I almost got away with it” and tours around State prisons narrated by Paul Sorvino. Mafia’s greatest hits on America Hero Channel. Things do keep changing. 🥺
Posted By: Lady Bird Re: A new concept? - 10/05/19 04:44 PM
Well I know Cunningham is a wonderful store with incredible pianos like
Bösendorfer.I know that the store has a wonderful reputation and a rich history of
piano service.I thought I once read on PW that they once sold Sauter pianos as well ?
Perhaps I was mistaken.
Perhaps a nice coffee store near the entrance to the piano gallery., Still sticky fingers ?
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