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Posted By: gingko2 quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 03:23 PM
Hello,

I decided a few months ago to get a grand. We are in the process of cleaning a big room upstairs that was primarily used for storage (detritus of 30+ years). We are also getting central heating and cooling installed, after decades of wood heat and multiple fans to distribute warmth (those of you who do this know the benefits and liabilities :-)

I figured I would take 6 months to a year to decide. Then the 2nd dealer I visited just got in a used 2012 Hailun HG 128, 5'10". It was still in basement being prepped for the showroom. One owner, who opted to replace it a 7' Yamaha. Dealer said it was well-maintained. They're asking $8000.

Yes, I liked it, very smooth, and nice tone. I only liked the $30K Estonia better. My budget is $15K tops. I asked them to hold it for me for 10 days and I will get a tech to check it over. I also want to go back and play it at least twice.

I can see that Hailun pianos have gotten some mixed reviews here at PW. I'm a high intermediate/low advanced student, really interested in rich tone and possibilities of tonal variation. I don't have much experience playing grands but know I like Mason & Hamlin. Among Asian piano I much prefer Kawai to Yamaha.

I'm in a spin because I was thinking 6 months to a year. Sometimes there are good opportunities though, and buying well can all be a matter of timing. For $8000 I could sink some extra into regulation, etc.

If the tech is positive, am I crazy to pass this up?

Thanks!
Posted By: terminaldegree Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 03:56 PM
It could be a good option, if the tech inspection reveals nothing of consequence and you like it. The purchase price would give you some room to dial in the voicing and regulation, and you wouldn’t lose much if you decided to resell and go upmarket later. The 178 model seems to be particularly well liked from their range.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 05:12 PM
Thank you, Terminal.

It seems that no one is effusive about this piano, though no one disparages it, either!

Good point about resale. It's a beautiful piano and the model is popular.

Wonder if any Hailun owners out there are still satisfied with their decision?
Posted By: Seeker Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 05:21 PM
Did an in-store concert on that model Hailun some years back. It was a very nice piano. I found the tone warm, touch even. Cannot comment on wear over many years of work... we don't have them here long enough to do that yet. I'm not sure what repertoire you're playing... " I'm a high intermediate/low advanced student, really interested in rich tone and possibilities of tonal variation", but based on what you've written I think you'd find the Hailun to be a nice piano. As to regulation, etc., get that tech inspection. You may not need anything but tuning for a while. Best of luck.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 06:00 PM
Thank you, Seeker.

That's encouraging. I know pianos are individuals so I'll be sure to get someone to check it out.

Longevity is not the most important issue to me...price is low and I'm in my 60's! I'm the only one who plays piano.

I'm probably RCM 7 or 8 level. This year I've been learning the set of Bartok Romanian Folk Dances, a Chopin Mazurka (67/4), and lots of easier little Baroque and Classical pieces for fluency. I'm especially fond of 20th C, and then Baroque, though my teacher has given me a new appreciation of Haydn. I like it all for different reasons. As a player I can get lost in touching and hitting the keys different ways to get different articulations and sounds.... I doubt I will ever have a brilliant technique--small hands and don't really love speed, though my teacher is working me on that too.

Thanks again.
Posted By: MarkL Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by gingko2
If the tech is positive, am I crazy to pass this up?

No, you're not.

If your plan was to take 6 months to a year to decide, I'd wait and see what comes along. There are lots of great deals and the longer you take to shop, the higher the probability that you'll find one. And you'll also have more data points to know when you see a really good deal.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 06:47 PM
Mark,

Thanks. Yes, I think you're right that other good deals will come. Your suggestion just made me realize that I'm not looking forward to the search. It involves lots of driving and time...difficult because of where we live and other responsibilities. Piano shopping is a job in itself. I just want to play--I need the practice!--not become knowledgeable about pianos.

The time/logistics of looking are big factors, but your point is well-taken. Will see what the tech says, and spend at least another hour playing that piano.
Posted By: MarkL Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by gingko2
It involves lots of driving and time...difficult because of where we live and other responsibilities.

Yes, it's a drag if you don't live near shopping. I'm spoiled by where I live so I forget there's lots of places that are far from piano dealers.
Posted By: David-G Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 10:52 PM
I would say it all depends on how much you like it - and of course, what the tech inspection says. I take MarkL's point - but suppose for example it takes you six months to find a piano that you like as much, that will be a loss of the six months when you could have been playing this piano. So, I would suggest: if you really like this piano, go for it. If you are not sure, then wait and see what comes up.
Posted By: j&j Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/14/19 11:33 PM
Despite what dealers may hint, pianos ain’t flying out the door. Slow down, see what the tech says. If OK, make an appointment and play it again. If you still think the Hailun is what you want and you’ll be happy with it as a practice partner, go for it.
Posted By: pianoloverus Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 02:31 PM
Originally Posted by j&j
Despite what dealers may hint, pianos ain’t flying out the door. Slow down, see what the tech says. If OK, make an appointment and play it again. If you still think the Hailun is what you want and you’ll be happy with it as a practice partner, go for it.
It's not that simple because the piano is low priced used model so it might sell quickly. There's no guarantee it will be around in several weeks.
Posted By: j&j Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by j&j
Despite what dealers may hint, pianos ain’t flying out the door. Slow down, see what the tech says. If OK, make an appointment and play it again. If you still think the Hailun is what you want and you’ll be happy with it as a practice partner, go for it.
It's not that simple because the piano is low priced used model so it might sell quickly. There's no guarantee it will be around in several weeks.

It depends completely on the OPs piano market. If it’s a hot market in that city, the Hailun may sell but other pianos will be traded in so more selection. Hasty piano buying I think leads to more heartbreak than does slow careful piano shopping. If the piano sells, so what?? There’s plenty of other used pianos out there. And there’ll be another killer deal to come along.
Posted By: BruceD Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 03:29 PM
I guess what caught my eye was the idea that a "quick decision" was to be made for an item that should never be purchased under that kind of pressure.

I agree with others who suggest that you follow your original intent which was to take six months to a year to decide. In that time you could audition many pianos both within and beyond your budget so that you will know what will ultimately please and satisfy you.

Given the "mixed reviews" that you have read on Hailun and the fact that you are in the process of renovating, would it not be more advisable not to rush into a quick decision while trying more pianos in the interim?

Regards,
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 03:36 PM
Thank you everyone for all the suggestions.

I tend to mull over big decisions for months--and years sometimes. When I finally decide to do something I do tend to act quickly. But, I will slow down in that I'm going back to play the piano and others in the showroom for an extended time. It will come down to how much I like it and what the tech says after he inspects it this week. I could be starry-eyed and -earred, but I know he won't be.

I think it is a pretty hot piano market here--and the price is low. I was told this morning that someone else is interested in this piano.

This discussion is helping me to clarify what I want. I feel I need to start playing on a grand regularly to develop any sense at all of what I want in a piano. I just don't have enough experience. I don't want to get that experience by driving all over--it's too difficult where I live. Maybe connected to my age too :-) I'd rather practice. I appreciate David's point that I could be playing the grand 6 months to a year earlier.

If I buy this piano (because it passes all the tests) and tire of it in a few years, I can sell it or take the easy route and have the dealer take it for 100% trade up. Losing a couple thousand either way would not bother me at that point.

(I have to say that I've played a few grands that are not nearly as nice as my Walter upright.. It's a good standard to have.)
Posted By: pianoloverus Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 03:58 PM
Originally Posted by gingko2
I think it is a pretty hot piano market here--and the price is low. I was told this morning that someone else is interested in this piano.
It may be hot market but if it was the dealer who told you someone else is interested that may very well be just a ploy to try and pressure you to buy the piano.
Posted By: pianoloverus Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by j&j
If the piano sells, so what?? There’s plenty of other used pianos out there. And there’ll be another killer deal to come along.
Maybe or maybe not.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 04:15 PM
True, really can't trust the dealer, but at this price I'm more inclined to believe it will sell quickly.

I learned on PW to always get a tech to check first.
Posted By: MarkL Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by gingko2
(I have to say that I've played a few grands that are not nearly as nice as my Walter upright.. It's a good standard to have.)

Yes, I was going to mention that you're lucky to have such a nice piano to tide you over until you find something.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 05:06 PM
Thank you, Mark. That's nice to hear about the Walter. The F on the tenor break has a slight change of timbre that sometimes drives me crazy, but otherwise I love it.

I'm keeping the Walter--I have room downstairs for an upright. Don't want to part with it yet. Big house with the kids gone, might as well keep it.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 05:07 PM
Still wondering if any Hailun owners out there are happy with their purchase?
Posted By: choi_mama Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/15/19 11:53 PM
Hi ginko2 - I purchased a Hailun HU 1 P last year from the Hailun Dealer in Calgary and am very happy with it. I did a lot of research and focused in on Hailun at the local dealer and a Yamaha U1 that was also available. My piano sounds to me rich and warm to me and I have really fallen in love with it. The best advice I took at the time was to forget the features and look for the sound you like.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/16/19 12:39 AM
Hi choi mama,

Thanks for responding. I read about your long search for your piano. Glad you found one you love!
Posted By: ando Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/16/19 02:42 AM
Originally Posted by gingko2
Still wondering if any Hailun owners out there are happy with their purchase?

I had a student who owns the same size Hailun as you are talking about - she is a very advanced pianist and was still very happy with it after several years of owning it.
Posted By: Jeff Clef Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/16/19 04:58 AM
Well, let me just say right now, you do not at all strike me as a crazy or feverish person. Sometimes people do very regrettable things under the influence of the idea that, "This is the only piano in the world." It is not.

On the contrary, a shopper ready to execute a cash sale is in a very strong position. Dealers remember her in their prayers at night. Better yet, she already has two nice pianos at home, and knows a thing or two. Once she sees what she likes, she negotiates a sale on favorable terms, fair to both parties.

I'm especially impressed that you've already got the tech on the way to inspect. This is a very strong indication of a lack of craziness, and the presence of good sense. I think you are wrong to doubt yourself. By the time you finish executing your plan of playing this piano twice more, getting the true word about condition from a qualified technician (paid for solely by you and reporting only to you), and if possible, hearing from an owner of this model, you will be in a far stronger position to decide, confidently. You'll know the facts, and you'll know the inner feeling. And, you'll be in a better position to size up the dealer. If he's not nice to you now, it's not going to get any better once he has your money.

Well, it's Yes, No, or Not Now. You can live with any of those.

If you're heating your house with wood, I suspect you are not close to Florida, where Jethro (on this forum) is selling an RX-2 that I think you might like. Oh well, the Kawai has come all the way from Japan and the Hailun has come from China.

There are, or were, a number of people on the forums who bought Hailun grands. One of these gentlemen invited a few of us to his home, to see the one he bought for himself. In the large room, it was perfect: beautiful to see and to listen to, balanced just right for the space. He was a relative beginner, but he played a lot, and it showed.

When I tried the piano myself, I found the touch was a bit soft compared to my RX-5. No doubt, if I had played it for a longer time I would have gotten used to it, and would have been able to bring forth its voice more effectively, as our host did.

I will wish you good luck, gingko2, but I can see that you're already making your own luck.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/16/19 01:34 PM
Thanks, ando, for telling me about your student! I'm hearing much more positive than negativ.

Jeff, I AM feeling a little crazed and fevered. And I did fantasize about Jethro's piano, but not being able to play it first, plus the expense of transport, and having to take the whole window out to get it in upstairs..(..the RX2 is just a couple inches too wide) brought me back down to earth.

I also think it might be good to establish a relationship with a dealer for the future. This piano shopping is not easy. My practice wasn't very good yesterday--too distracted. I doubt it will be good tomorrow!

Appreciate your comments. (I think it was you, among others, who gave me good advice about the CW)

Tech will check it tomorrow. I go back and play tomorrow. If we both don't love it I'll keep looking.
Posted By: Chess06 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/18/19 08:33 PM
I have a Hailun 178. I have been very happy with it and have found the customer service experience with Hailun to be excellent.
Posted By: MainevilleMike Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/18/19 10:09 PM
We have had a Hailun 178 for 4 1/2 years. Still happy with our purchase. No major issues with it.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/19/19 12:59 AM
Thank you Chess and Mike! I'm so glad to hear you like your Hailuns. I think I will too. I bought it!

It will arrive in 4-6 weeks because we have a renovation project going on.

The tech was effusive. I thought for sure he was calling to tell me to forget it and keep looking, but he was very impressed with the piano---beautiful sound, good touch, well-made, well-cared for and 9 years remaining on the warranty.

He's quite critical and outspoken of individual pianos of all makes--I can't even dream of what he hears with his ears.....

I played it for about 45 minutes, everything in my current lesson, technique and rep and more. It sounded great to me.

This may or may not be the best piano I could get, but the hundred hours saved driving, looking, researching, agonizing, etc. are worth something too. The price was attractive, doable without regret. If I tire of it, I'll sell it. But I think I'm going to like it for a long time......

I think the sooner I start playing on a grand regularly, the sooner my ear and playing will get more subtle. Then I'll get an idea of what I like and what to look for in a piano. I'm quite happy.

Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions.
Posted By: NobleHouse Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/19/19 01:05 AM
Congratulations! Pictures must be forthcoming once your new piano is in place.
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/19/19 01:19 AM
Thank you, Noble House. Will do.

I'm imagining sometimes playing something on the Hailun then running downstairs to try it on the Walter, then running back upstairs again. Maybe my ear will get better, and I'll get some easy exercise.
Posted By: jarobi Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/19/19 09:49 PM
Congratulations on the new-to-you Hailun. I owned a 178 briefly, that I really liked. It had delivery damage and was replaced with another 178 that was a dog. It sounds like you found a good one. Enjoy!
Posted By: dogperson Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/19/19 10:30 PM
If you decide to run up and down the stairs to play the same piece on the two pianos, we MUST have a video🤪 it will go viral
Congrats on the new piano!!!!
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/20/19 12:00 AM
jarobi,

Mine still has to be craned through a window, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Thanks for the congrats and and well-wishes, and letting me know you liked the first one.

dogperson,

It would be funny, wouldn't it? But after a career as a public high school teacher I feel I've got a lifetime supply of public exposure. Hmm, maybe an audio recording would be enough: music, slamming door, thump, thump, thump, (etc), music, catching breath.....

Thanks for the congrats :-)
Posted By: j&j Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/20/19 01:38 PM
Congratulations on your new-to-you Hailun! It’s wonderful to have a trustworthy piano practice partner as you continue your musical adventure!
Posted By: gingko2 Re: quick decision on Hailun grand - 07/20/19 03:53 PM
Thank you j&j for your thoughtful input and your congrats! I'm looking forward to learning what a grand can teach me.
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