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Posted By: edl Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 01:49 PM
Hello ... I know nothing about pianos and wonder if it were you, what would you choose for a high school student moving up from an electronic keyboard - please assume the 2 units are in identical condition:

1977 Yamaha P202 upright for $1250 (serial indicates built in Michigan)
- one family owned - child inherited it and now wants to sell it;

or

1974 Kohler & Campbell upright for $350 (built in NY)

- one family owned - child inherited it and now wants to sell it;

Thanks!
Posted By: Carey Re: Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 03:04 PM
Some questions.....

How do you know that the pianos are in identical condition? Have you had them checked out by a technician? (That's the only way you'd know for sure if any work needs to be done on them, and/or if the prices are reasonable..)

How tall is the K&C? (The Yamaha P202 is 45" tall).

How well were they maintained during their lifetimes? (family should be able to tell you)

Theoretically, the Yamaha should be the better piano - but that all depends.....The P202 was a very popular model in its day.

I own a 1976 Everett studio upright built in the same factory in Michigan as the Yamaha (Yamaha purchased the company in the mid 1970s). It has held up well over the years with minimal maintenance, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for a high school student seriously interested in improving his/her playing.

Just curious - what is the make/model of the electronic keyboard the student is currently using? Also - what is your max budget for purchasing a piano?
Posted By: edl Re: Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 03:30 PM
Answers below:



How do you know that the pianos are in identical condition? Have you had them checked out by a technician? (That's the only way you'd know for sure if any work needs to be done on them, and/or if the prices are reasonable..)

[ANSWER: I don't know...I just wanted to take that variable out of the discussion to understand the theoretic difference between those models at those prices]


How tall is the K&C? (The Yamaha P202 is 45" tall).


[ANSWER: K&C is 44" tall]



How well were they maintained during their lifetimes? (family should be able to tell you)


[ANSWER: stories are similar and they both state "well cared for" and always with the same family...as you say, only way to tell is inspection]




Theoretically, the Yamaha should be the better piano - but that all depends.....The P202 was a very popular model in its day.


[thank you ... this is what I was after]




I own a 1976 Everett studio upright built in the same factory in Michigan as the Yamaha (Yamaha purchased the company in the mid 1970s). It has held up well over the years with minimal maintenance, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for a high school student seriously interested in improving his/her playing.


[QUESTION: to be clear...you are saying a Yamaha P202 is not good enough for a high schooler to improve on? - if that is so, then i need to go back to the drawing board]




Just curious - what is the make/model of the electronic keyboard the student is currently using?


[ANSWER: Yamaha P-125]




Also - what is your max budget for purchasing a piano?


[ANSWER: $1250 is a little over our budget...we were hoping to stay at around $1000]
Posted By: Carey Re: Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 05:03 PM
Originally Posted by edl
Answers below:
How do you know that the pianos are in identical condition? Have you had them checked out by a technician? (That's the only way you'd know for sure if any work needs to be done on them, and/or if the prices are reasonable..)
[ANSWER: I don't know...I just wanted to take that variable out of the discussion to understand the theoretic difference between those models at those prices]
OK
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How tall is the K&C? (The Yamaha P202 is 45" tall).
[ANSWER: K&C is 44" tall]

Comparable in size to the Yamaha.
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How well were they maintained during their lifetimes? (family should be able to tell you)
[ANSWER: stories are similar and they both state "well cared for" and always with the same family...as you say, only way to tell is inspection]
True - "well cared for" could mean anything.
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Theoretically, the Yamaha should be the better piano - but that all depends.....The P202 was a very popular model in its day.
[thank you ... this is what I was after]

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I own a 1976 Everett studio upright built in the same factory in Michigan as the Yamaha (Yamaha purchased the company in the mid 1970s). It has held up well over the years with minimal maintenance, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for a high school student seriously interested in improving his/her playing.
[QUESTION: to be clear...you are saying a Yamaha P202 is not good enough for a high schooler to improve on? - if that is so, then i need to go back to the drawing board]
No - I'm saying that a 42 year old Yamaha P202 MAY not be good enough for a high schooler to improve on based on age and depending (primarily) on condition. When I was a teenager my home piano was a BIG 50 year old upright. It wasn't great, but at least I was able to progress (and we paid $350 for it back in 1959). .
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Just curious - what is the make/model of the electronic keyboard the student is currently using?
[ANSWER: Yamaha P-125]
Also - what is your max budget for purchasing a piano?
[ANSWER: $1250 is a little over our budget...we were hoping to stay at around $1000]
I completely understand and appreciate budget issues. Money doesn't grow on trees and there are so many competing needs for it. That said, you "might" want to consider a new, slightly higher end digital piano. Probably would have a better action than the P125, and wouldn't require tuning and other routine maintenance. On the other hand, the P202 may be fine for your needs..

Finally - I'm assuming that your Yamaha P-125 is fairly new - correct?
Posted By: BDB Re: Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 05:28 PM
If you are replacing a digital piano every few years, that is going to cost more than the maintenance on an acoustic piano.
Posted By: edl Re: Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 05:41 PM
Thanks

Do people generally agree that the Yamaha will be a better piano than the K&C?
Posted By: BDB Re: Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 05:58 PM
In general it is true that the Yamaha is better.
Posted By: edl Re: Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 06:09 PM
Thanks
Posted By: Carey Re: Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by edl
Thanks

Do people generally agree that the Yamaha will be a better piano than the K&C?
In terms of initial build quality, yes. A tech will be able to tell you how much additional work (and $$) will be needed to get the piano up to snuff (beyond a basic tuning).
Posted By: siros Re: Piano for a High Schooler.... - 04/29/19 11:16 PM
"40 years old well cared for" piano could mean nothing. I've tried a number of used Yamaha uprights (mostly U3) of around this age at several used dealers. Some of them, no matter the price, I would not prefer over a decent digital piano.
Sluggish keys, ear piercing bright tone, clunky damper pedal, noisy key and pedal mechanics.
They were described as in good condition, lightly used, and well maintained. I think the stores selling them just put in minimum effort to make it playable and in tune.

However, there are also good ones. These are ones from stores that do part changes, repair, and regulation before putting pianos on showroom floor. They perform almost as well as new ones.

Do you know if the pianos are in playable condition?
Could you go to see and play them first? If you really like one of them, then you should get a tech to inspect and estimate potential repair cost.
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