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Posted By: RMdP74 C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 08:27 PM
Uff...This is my third post in 2 days. Never thought buying a piano would be so stressful. I just found a C. Bechstein, 2005, 6'9''. Gorgeous instrument!!! Asking price is 23K from a private seller. I will send a technician to look at it. Is that a good price? The only thing I hate is the green felts. How hard is to change that?
Posted By: Carey Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by RMdP74
Uff...This is my third post in 2 days. Never thought buying a piano would be so stressful. I just found a C. Bechstein, 2005, 6'9''. Gorgeous instrument!!! Asking price is 23K from a private seller. I will send a technician to look at it. Is that a good price? The only thing I hate is the green felts. How hard is to change that?

Uh - that would be an incredible price. I mean - truly incredible. At that price I wouldn't care if the felts were green, purple or orange.

https://www.pianobuyer.com/Resources/Piano-Brands-Profiles/Detail/ArticleId/51/Brand/BECHSTEIN-C

Are you sure the seller is legitimate? Also - is it a top of line C. Bechstein, or the lower (still quite good) Academy series?

I just found another C. Bechstein, 2005, 7' for sale by a private seller here in Arizona. Asking price about $28.5K.

https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=36645

Posted By: pianoloverus Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 10:35 PM
If you like the piano and it checks out that would be an incredibly good price...almost impossible to believe.
Posted By: RMdP74 Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 11:19 PM
One correction: it is a Bechstein, not a C. Bechstein. Is there a difference?
Posted By: Carey Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by RMdP74
One correction: it is a Bechstein, not a C. Bechstein. Is there a difference?

Not that I'm aware of.

What is the model number?
Posted By: RMdP74 Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 11:33 PM
The model it is A208. It turns out it is the Academy series. Is it still worth 23K?
Posted By: Carey Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 11:39 PM
Originally Posted by RMdP74
The model it is A208. It turns out it is the Academy series. Is it still worth 23K?
Given that the price of a NEW A208 is three times that amount, I'd say YES a 14 year old A208 in excellent condition would be well worth $23K. If you look at the following chart you'll see that the Academy series compares well with other top tier instruments.

www.pianobuyer.com/Articles/Detail/ArticleID/242

Posted By: johnstaf Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 11:39 PM
Originally Posted by RMdP74
One correction: it is a Bechstein, not a C. Bechstein. Is there a difference?


Yes. Recent Bechsteins without the C are from the less expensive range.
Alternatively, these ranges are known as C.Bechstein Academy or C.Bechstein Concert.
Posted By: johnstaf Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 11:40 PM
The A208 is a very good piano.
Posted By: Carey Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/12/19 11:44 PM
Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by RMdP74
One correction: it is a Bechstein, not a C. Bechstein. Is there a difference?


Yes. Recent Bechsteins without the C are from the less expensive range.
Alternatively, these ranges are known as C.Bechstein Academy or C.Bechstein Concert.

However, "less expensive" in this case is relative. The Academy series pianos are still doggone expensive.
Posted By: johnstaf Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 12:01 AM
Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by RMdP74
One correction: it is a Bechstein, not a C. Bechstein. Is there a difference?


Yes. Recent Bechsteins without the C are from the less expensive range.
Alternatively, these ranges are known as C.Bechstein Academy or C.Bechstein Concert.

However, "less expensive" in this case is relative. The Academy series pianos are still doggone expensive.


Indeed.
Posted By: jarobi Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 01:19 AM
It sounds like a good price if you like it. I recently bought a very nice 2005 Grotian 192 on consignment from a dealer for a similar price.
Posted By: PhilipInChina Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 04:06 AM
It is a good price, unless there is a problem of which we are all unaware.

Regarding the green felts, learn to live with them.

If you buy it, PM me and I will give you details of the Bechstein owners' club.
Posted By: johnstaf Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 04:19 AM
I love the green felt. My ancient one came with blue/turquoise felt.
Posted By: BDB Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 04:25 AM
Green felt is traditional on Bechsteins. Changing it would be extremely expensive.
Posted By: johnstaf Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 04:43 AM
If it's just the felt on the fallboard it wouldn't be a big deal.
Posted By: RMdP74 Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 11:09 AM
FYI. I contacted Bechstein in Germany to confirm the origin of the piano and they responded in less than 24 hours:

Dear Mr. XXXXXX

thank you very much for your message.

The piano with serial number XXX.XXX was made in our German manufactory in Seifhennersdorf in 2005, July 22. It is a grand piano model A 208, black polished.

We hope this information is useful for you. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With kind regards,

i.A. Theresa Niehus
Produktmarketing / Product Marketing

C. Bechstein Pianoforte AG
Kantstr. 17 | im Stilwerk
D - 10623 Berlin | Germany
Fon +49 (0)30 2260 559-352
Fax +49 (0)30 2260 559-329
Posted By: QuasiUnaFantasia Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 12:47 PM
Bechstein used to be made in Berlin, but in the early 1990's they relocated to the Zimmerman facilities in Seifhennersdorf in Saxony.

I found a couple of A208 (which is indeed from the Academy series) for sale in Germany. One is brand new, at 43000 EUR:

https://pianova.com/de/suche/instrumente/fluegel/bechstein-b208-b-208-versch-ausfuehrungen-neu-1

The other one is from 2017 and used, at 36000 EUR:

https://pianova.com/de/suche/instrumente/fluegel/bechstein-a208-c-bechstein-a208-ausstellungsstueck
Posted By: RMdP74 Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 01:13 PM
Well. Given that a brand new one is 43K EUR (~USD$48K), is a 2005 (15 years old) worth USD$23K? Should I offer less for it?
Posted By: ando Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 02:04 PM
You should always offer less than the asking price! Otherwise you miss out on the glorious feeling of having snatched up a deal.
Posted By: Steve Cohen Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 02:11 PM
Based on PianoBuyer's depreciation schedule off the SMP, the private market value would be about $28,000. So $23,000 is a very good price, AND a wonderful piano.
Posted By: adamp88 Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by RMdP74
Well. Given that a brand new one is 43K EUR (~USD$48K), is a 2005 (15 years old) worth USD$23K? Should I offer less for it?


As everyone else has said, that's an excellent price. By all means offer less initially, but even if they don't budge at all, you're getting a good deal - provided the instrument is in good shape. If you do decide to pursue it, make sure to have a qualified technician evaluate it before making any commitments.
Posted By: pianoloverus Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by RMdP74
Well. Given that a brand new one is 43K EUR (~USD$48K), is a 2005 (15 years old) worth USD$23K? Should I offer less for it?
i don't think one can just convert to USD to get the price in the US. The SMP is 84K so that the US price with a 30% discount would be around 60K. It's possible that Bechsteins sold in the US typically have a larger discount from SMP but I wouldn't assume that's the case.
Posted By: Carey Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by RMdP74
Well. Given that a brand new one is 43K EUR (~USD$48K), is a 2005 (15 years old) worth USD$23K? Should I offer less for it?
i don't think one can just convert to USD to get the price in the US. The SMP is 84K so that the US price with a 30% discount would be around 60K. It's possible that Bechsteins sold in the US typically have a larger discount from SMP but I wouldn't assume that's the case.
I agree. The US market may very well be different than the European market. The Piano Buyer's SMP is simply a guideline and there is no guarantee that a new instrument will sell for at least 30% of the SMP. Even the Piano Buyer's depreciation schedule is a guideline which doesn't always play out in real life.
Posted By: RMdP74 Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/13/19 04:56 PM
I have to say - I am extremely impressed with the Bechstein customer service. This morning and sent another email asking about the decals in the piano (1- lack of soundboard decal and 2- fallboard decal with the term "Since 1853" on it - I found odd that a German piano company would have the English word "Since"). They responded me almost immediately with the following response:

"Dear Mr. XXXX,

Thank you very much for your message.
This is indeed possible to happen. I attached the Bechstein Academy catalogue from 2005 for your reference. On page 10 you can see that the soundboard decal was not used for the Academy line in 2005.
As to the fallboard, please see page 5. It is not uncommon for German brands with an international distribution network to use the word “since”.

I hope that this information is helpful for you. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With kind regards,


i.A. Theresa Niehus
Produktmarketing / Product Marketing
C. Bechstein Pianoforte AG
Kantstr. 17 | im Stilwerk
D - 10623 Berlin | Germany
Fon +49 (0)30 2260 559-352
Fax +49 (0)30 2260 559-329
Posted By: PhilipInChina Re: C. Bechstein - worth it? - 03/14/19 03:48 AM
I have always found their customer service to be spot on.
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