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Piano Light for antique grand

Posted By: aflocka

Piano Light for antique grand - 09/01/17 08:44 PM

Hello,

I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out what kind of light I should get to illuminate the music desk. My guess is that a clip on light would be the best for lighting, but what do you do with the cord? I also have my piano closed up often when I'm not using it so it would have to be a light that I can take on/off a lot without worrying about wrecking the lamp or damaging the finish on the piano. (Not that its in great shape, but I'd like to keep it from getting worse!)

Any recommendations, preferably in the $25-50 range at the most? Some of the ones I've seen are as much as $250 , which just seems ridiculous! shocked

Thanks!
Posted By: David Farley

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/01/17 08:59 PM

If you get an LED lamp, get one that's as bright as possible.

I have two of these, one on the acoustic and one on the digital. They work really well. I worried a little bit about the clip damaging the wood on the music stand, so I stuck some felt pads on it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018YFJ72O/

I wanted to get another one for a piano elsewhere, but this one had been discontinued. I thought I was buying something equivalent, but it was nowhere near as bright.

Most of the LED lamps power through a USB cord and adapter. Very easy to unplug and move. My only annoyance is the one I bought has the power plug on the wrong side for a grand, so the cord has to go under the back of the music desk and up.
Posted By: David Farley

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/01/17 10:35 PM

I took a look back through your posts and found your piano. Wow! I don't think the kind of light I recommended is really the thing for a piano like that, but it might do if you just need some light to get playing.
Posted By: aflocka

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/01/17 11:39 PM

The piano is in what is a rather unfortunately poorly lit area. I can drag a lamp over which helps somewhat, but it's not the best solution nor is it ideal to rearrange my living room every time I want to play. So whatever I end up with will have to provide quite a bit of light. I like the looks of the one you linked! But I guess I'm also looking to keep it as minimalist and lightweight as possible, to avoid putting excessive strain on the scrollwork(?) design of the music stand. Maybe I'll have to go for one of those expensive ones anyway...I can save up I guess smile

The makes me curious though, what did pianists do for reading light back in the days before electricity? Put up a few oil lamps nearby? Or was piano playing restricted to a daytime activity?
Posted By: dogperson

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/01/17 11:47 PM

I know you don't want to spend a lot of money on a piano lamp, but I still think you should think about this one linked below. There is no glare, the span of the light covers the full score and the LED is very bright

My piano room is quite dark, and I'm extremely nearsighted. This lamp was just what I needed
https://www.cocoweb.com/high-powered-dimmable-led-piano-floor-lamp/

Outrageously expensive! But really worth every penny
Posted By: BDB

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/02/17 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by aflocka
The makes me curious though, what did pianists do for reading light back in the days before electricity? Put up a few oil lamps nearby? Or was piano playing restricted to a daytime activity?


Those two horizontal panels by the side of the music desk are for candlesticks. This is especially evident in some European pianos, where part of them may move forward, to be ahead of the music.

In my piano room, I installed track lighting that shines down on the music desks from above. I really like it.
Posted By: P W Grey

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/02/17 12:35 AM

The light shown us a good one. BDB's solution is also very good. Another good one is recessed lighting with an "eyeball" that points down right at the music.

Pwg
Posted By: Pianolance

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/02/17 12:54 AM

I have a swag lamp over my piano hanging on a chain. I absolutely love it. It provides plenty of light and looks beautiful. The good thing is it's completely hands off, doesn't touch the piano, and I never have to move it, mount it, etc. Here's an example: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Plug-In-Swag-Pendant-Light-Oil-Rubbed-Bronze-Glass-Shade/397188917
Posted By: BruceD

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/02/17 03:56 AM

I wouldn't recommend attaching a lamp to the music desk since you close the piano when not playing, so I would go with one of two options:
1) a directional pot light (recessed light) in the ceiling (that is what I have done), or
2) a free-standing floor lamp with an extension arm such as linked in an earlier post in this thread.

Regards,
Posted By: aflocka

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/02/17 11:27 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions! This is a great community.

I think I will be looking for a pendant light similar to the one Pianolance linked. As it happens, the previous owners of my home likely had a lamp hanging in the same corner as the hooks are still there to direct the cabling. It just hadn't occurred to me as an option until it was brought up. Thanks!
Posted By: XenondiFluoride

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/03/17 02:54 PM

slide out candelabra stands can be found on older grand pianos, personally the idea of hot wax and it falling over and igniting the sheet music makes me feel strongly against it, but at the same time there was no other option.

for older uprights some had candle holders protruding out of the case so that you could get hot wax on the keys it seems.

I guess you would want to use whale oil candles on such a piano to avoid the wax issue.
Posted By: Lakeviewsteve

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/03/17 04:00 PM

A piano floor lamp that doesn't touch my piano works perfectly for me.

Here is the same one:

https://www.luxedecor.com/product/h...h4W1oh5IsPSfEfh6o3tE6nRswxgaAuriEALw_wcB

Steve
Bösendorfer 170
Posted By: David Farley

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/03/17 04:01 PM

Although it postdates the "what did people do before electricity?" question, my Lyon & Healy baby grand from (maybe) 1929 has two outlets built into the case, and a plug on the bottom for two lights that set on each side of the music desk. And it actually works, although having gone through three iterations of lights I didn't like, I settled for a clip-on lamp on the music stand because utility won out. Having said that, if I could find a set of the original lamps for this piano, I'd get them.

There's a picture of a salesman's model here that indicates that this was a feature.

http://hazelhomeartandantiques.blogspot.com/2015/05/rare-turn-of-century-salemans-sample.html

And an ad that shows the rest:

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Posted By: twocats

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/03/17 04:48 PM

I just use a torchiere-style floor lamp (originally from Target, $20 max) that I've had for years. If you don't need a light that's focused directly on your music stand, there are tons more options!
Posted By: FrankCox

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/03/17 06:10 PM

Quote
slide out candelabra stands can be found on older grand pianos


Could you post or point out a photo that shows one of these slide-out candelabra stands? I've seen photos of upright pianos with built-in candle holders but not a grand and I can't find any on Google either; perhaps I'm using the wrong search terms.

To answer the original question, I use an arm lamp like this that I have attached to the side of the table that sits beside my piano. It works very well and it's about the cheapest option around.
Posted By: nancyde

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/03/17 08:04 PM

Was the House of Troy floor piano lamp hard to assemble? I have been thinking about that lamp for awhile, but am not so great at assembling things.
Posted By: Lakeviewsteve

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/03/17 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by nancyde
Was the House of Troy floor piano lamp hard to assemble? I have been thinking about that lamp for awhile, but am not so great at assembling things.


It was very easy to assemble and only took a few minutes. The base is very heavy and the lamp is sturdy. The lamp swings into position nicely. I have it on a riostat so I can control the brightness. I love it, especially because it does not touch my piano but lights the music beautifully!

Steve
Bösendorfer 170
Posted By: nancyde

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/03/17 09:17 PM

Thank you--that is good to know.
Posted By: supersport

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/04/17 05:04 AM

Nancy,

I have that same lamp in mahogany as I have a wood tone piano. I can position it right at the end of the keyboard and use the shield to flood the whole front of the piano, not just shining down on the music. That gets rid of any shadow on the keys. I really like it too. Using a warm fluorescent bulb so can't use a rheostat but it runs cooler. The lamp only cost $175 a few years ago so was lucky I bought it then.
Posted By: XenondiFluoride

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/04/17 01:47 PM

sorry for no imaged before hand, I could not find any either. I recalled seeing them on a collard and collard piano, so Is searched that and found these.

http://www.monartcollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1862-Collard-Collard-gran.jpg
What you are looking at are those ornately scroll cut rectangle sections next to the music stand, they slide out toward the pianist and you can set a candelabra (or lamp) there.

you can see the sliding section standing out more in this picture.
http://www.besbrodepianos.com/photo152/collard-and-collard-grand-piano-burr-walnut-BIG.jpg

I wonder what the proper name is, because I know I have seen more, I just cannot recall what they are supposed to be called.
Posted By: FrankCox

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/04/17 05:39 PM

Aha! I see. Thanks loads for pointing out those photos. That's the sort of thing that I'll never see in real life, so I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to show them to me.

It's a clever way to handle that issue, but I wonder if anyone ever got carried away with long keyboard jumps and set his sheet music on fire. smile
Posted By: BruceD

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/04/17 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by FrankCox
[...]It's a clever way to handle that issue, but I wonder if anyone ever got carried away with long keyboard jumps and set his sheet music on fire. smile


Music for the [not so Royal] Fireworks, if you can Handel it!

Cheers!
Posted By: FrankCox

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/04/17 09:12 PM

Goodness gracious, I was playing Jerry Lee Lewis's Great Balls of Fire last night. smile

I really was, too. Hope that's wasn't prescient.
Posted By: aflocka

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/05/17 04:19 PM

Thanks for the pictures XenondiFluoride - really quite interesting and something I had never thought about before. Looking at my piano, those sections you're talking about don't slide, but they do extend quite a bit further in front of the music stand than most modern pianos. Presumably for the same reason - to allow candles/lamps to be placed in a way to illuminate the music.
Posted By: BruceD

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/05/17 05:18 PM

I know several pianists who use what are officially called "piano lamps" on one side of the music stand. Depending on their height, the length of the arm, the type of illumination and the weight of the base compared to the weight of the lamp-head and arm, they can be a reasonable solution to lighting music.

Regards,
Posted By: MacMacMac

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/05/17 05:29 PM

OP: I need a lamp for around $25 to $50. I've seen some priced at $250. Ridiculous!
Answer A: Here's one for $289.
Answer B: Here's one for $320.
(Gee thanks.) frown

Anyway ...

aflocka: You didn't say whether you have an upright or a grand. For an upright this lamp could be set on the top lid. It's only $28 from Target: Crosby Schoolhouse desk lamp
Posted By: twocats

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/05/17 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by MacMacMac
aflocka: You didn't say whether you have an upright or a grand.

From the title, it's a grand.
Posted By: David Farley

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/05/17 08:37 PM




Originally Posted by MacMacMac
OP: I need a lamp for around $25 to $50. I've seen some priced at $250. Ridiculous!
Answer A: Here's one for $289.
Answer B: Here's one for $320.
(Gee thanks.) frown

Anyway ...

aflocka: You didn't say whether you have an upright or a grand. For an upright this lamp could be set on the top lid. It's only $28 from Target: Crosby Schoolhouse desk lamp


There's always IKEA. If I have to go with a floor lamp someday, I might consider the "Barometer".

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/lighting/10731/
Posted By: KurtZ

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/06/17 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by David Farley



Originally Posted by MacMacMac
OP: I need a lamp for around $25 to $50. I've seen some priced at $250. Ridiculous!
Answer A: Here's one for $289.
Answer B: Here's one for $320.
(Gee thanks.) frown

Anyway ...

aflocka: You didn't say whether you have an upright or a grand. For an upright this lamp could be set on the top lid. It's only $28 from Target: Crosby Schoolhouse desk lamp


There's always IKEA. If I have to go with a floor lamp someday, I might consider the "Barometer".

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/lighting/10731/


Having owned 2 clamp on bed lights, a floor lamp and a ceiling fixture from IKEA, I advise choosing carefully when buying lighting from IKEA. They tend towards flimsyness and sometimes use bulbs that are not common here in the US.

Kurt
Posted By: supersport

Re: Piano Light for antique grand - 09/07/17 11:46 PM

This one is from Lowe's but other stores carry something similar and they can be positioned to provide good lighting across the front of the piano and the music desk


https://www.lowes.com/pd/Portfolio-Embleton-56-in-Bronze-Floor-Lamp-with-Metal-Shade/50355878
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