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Posted By: Rich Galassini Warning: Explicit Image - 02/26/15 01:51 PM
To all DIYers,

Spending a little extra money to have your grand piano moved professionally is a small investment.

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Especially compared to the possible heartache from the result.

My thought for the day,
Posted By: terminaldegree Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/26/15 02:15 PM
What? It obviously propagates the tone differently, in order to eliminate standing waves in difficult acoustic environments. Duh!

I think this is the new Bosite prototype.
Posted By: KurtZ Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/26/15 04:33 PM
TD:

Regarding the standing waves, wouldn't work without the flux capacitors being wired in series.

Kurt
Posted By: terminaldegree Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/26/15 05:04 PM
Kurt,

Dang! How could have I possibly forgotten something so obvious? Now I feel confused and stupid.

Be sure the parallel-wired capacitors aren't tipped on their sides during moving, as it weakens their aura with negative ions. At least, that's what I've read on the internet.
Posted By: SoundThumb Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/26/15 06:16 PM
Probably just trying to drain the water after a leak in the roof filled the piano.
Posted By: Markarian Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/26/15 06:39 PM
Ugh, this belongs on the StileProject of pianos.
Posted By: guyl Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/26/15 09:41 PM
French singer Gilbert Becaud had the rear leg of his piano shortened so that he could better see over it.
Posted By: iObsessed Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/26/15 10:31 PM
Oh my... eek

It seems to be a semi-concert grand, around 7 feet in length. Just out of curiosity, what brand was the piano?
Posted By: Voltara Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/27/15 12:00 AM
The purchasing committee was unable to come to an agreement on whether to get a grand or a vertical, so after much deliberation, they arrived at a compromise.
Posted By: iLaw Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/27/15 01:02 AM
It's amazing what some players will do to keep people from putting drinks on the piano.

Larry.
Posted By: Retsacnal Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/27/15 07:40 AM
Did someone try to roll it up the ramp and snap the leg off?
Posted By: Sam S Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/27/15 10:59 AM
I saw this happen last year at a student recital I was playing in. The first half of the recital was strings, so they had moved the piano, an old Steinway, off to the side to make room for all the string players in a big ensemble (this was in a church).

At the intermission they tried to push the piano back, the rear leg caught on the edge of the carpet, and it collapsed and the piano went down. It doesn't take much. Those little wheels will catch on the smallest obstacle. One of those concert dollies is a good idea if the piano has to be moved around.

So we had to move the recital into the basement of the church and play on an old piano that was in pretty bad shape.
Posted By: Rich Galassini Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/27/15 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Did someone try to roll it up the ramp and snap the leg off?


I was not there but that is what appears to have happened.

Full disclosure - this is not my piano. This picture was emailed to me by a colleague.
Posted By: Retsacnal Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/28/15 02:57 AM
Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Did someone try to roll it up the ramp and snap the leg off?


I was not there but that is what appears to have happened.

Full disclosure - this is not my piano. This picture was emailed to me by a colleague.

Rich, we know that you and your associates would never do something like that!
Posted By: Markarian Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/28/15 08:18 AM
I'm trying to understand how this happened. I mean, would it have killed them to hoist the caster up just an inch or two??
Posted By: krikorik Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/28/15 02:14 PM
It can happen to anyone
http://www.company7.com/bosendorfer/april2007_275drop.html
Posted By: Rich Galassini Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 02/28/15 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by krikorik


yes I remember that day without even clicking on the link. That was a hot topic here for a while, of course.

As I recall, Bosendorfer provided a replacement piano to the festival.

What happened is a rare thing, but mistakes happen. That is why there is insurance... hopefully. smile
Posted By: JohnSprung Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/02/15 07:54 PM
Originally Posted by Sam S
One of those concert dollies is a good idea if the piano has to be moved around.


+1

In a private home, you can do without a dolly. Anywhere else, it makes sense to use them.

Posted By: SMHaley Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/02/15 08:50 PM
I always wondered what the story was about the Bosie. Now I know. I think several of us have stories of clients trying to move a grand and unaware of the risks if done improperly.
Posted By: Retsacnal Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/02/15 10:46 PM
Wow! I didn't know about the Bosie story!

[Linked Image]I've seen some of those pictures before--probably here. But I've never read the story.

It's clear from the first picture that the tail is still inside the van, and from this picture it's clear that they are in trouble.

I don't know about the Two Moors Festival, but most concert venues have a loading dock, and that's definitely how this piano should have been unloaded (imo). Even rotating it on the truck's platform would have been difficult given its size.

Hindsight is 20/20, but in the future, perhaps the tail should be to the rear--if it had been, it could have overhung the lift by a lot more than the keyboard end, and perhaps cleared the van walls for pivoting (but could still be pretty squirrelly...). But then if it rocks, there'd be no platform under it to stop it from flipping off. I think the piano is simply too large for the platform lift.

Thankfully, nobody was hurt! The guys in this photo are right in the direction the piano fell!

Just goes to show you that moving a piano can be complex and dangerous, even for the people who do it every day.
Posted By: Markarian Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/03/15 12:06 AM
The fact that this same Bosendorfer fail photoset keeps making the rounds is heartening in that it would seem to imply these kinds of calamities are indeed rare.
Posted By: Rich Galassini Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/03/15 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by Retsacnal
I've seen some of those pictures before--probably here. But I've never read the story.

It's clear from the first picture that the tail is still inside the van, and from this picture it's clear that they are in trouble.


Actually they are just using the liftgate to manipulate the piano so they do not have to lift it to set the folly underneath it. This is a technique used with larger pianos.

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Hindsight is 20/20, but in the future, perhaps the tail should be to the rear--if it had been, it could have overhung the lift by a lot more than the keyboard end, and perhaps cleared the van walls for pivoting (but could still be pretty squirrelly...). But then if it rocks, there'd be no platform under it to stop it from flipping off. I think the piano is simply too large for the platform lift.


It is definitely larger than the liftgate, but that is also normal because nobody makes a 9'6" liftgate.

The keyboard side is also snug up against a lip on the board supporting the piano, which is designed for these moves. There is definitely danger in moving a large piano with a liftgate, but when done carefully, it can be done safely as well.

I can't tell exactly what went wrong with this particular move from the pictures, but IMHO most problems in piano moving come from a lack of communication. If someone makes a move that others do not expect - that is when problems happen.
Posted By: jdw Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/03/15 11:56 AM
Originally Posted by Rich Galassini


Actually they are just using the liftgate to manipulate the piano so they do not have to lift it to set the folly underneath it. This is a technique used with larger pianos.




The folly -- a Freudian slip?
Posted By: 255 Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/03/15 06:18 PM
Not a big deal, I think it's still playable, just lean on your knees.
Posted By: JohnSprung Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/03/15 09:47 PM

Maybe pianos should come with a warning label, like cigarettes:

WARNING:
We're just kidding about the wheels on this thing.
It's much too heavy to roll on these silly tiny casters.


Posted By: Retsacnal Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/04/15 06:29 AM
Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Originally Posted by Retsacnal
I've seen some of those pictures before--probably here. But I've never read the story.

It's clear from the first picture that the tail is still inside the van, and from this picture it's clear that they are in trouble.


Actually they are just using the liftgate to manipulate the piano so they do not have to lift it to set the folly underneath it. This is a technique used with larger pianos.

Quote
Hindsight is 20/20, but in the future, perhaps the tail should be to the rear--if it had been, it could have overhung the lift by a lot more than the keyboard end, and perhaps cleared the van walls for pivoting (but could still be pretty squirrelly...). But then if it rocks, there'd be no platform under it to stop it from flipping off. I think the piano is simply too large for the platform lift.


It is definitely larger than the liftgate, but that is also normal because nobody makes a 9'6" liftgate.

The keyboard side is also snug up against a lip on the board supporting the piano, which is designed for these moves. There is definitely danger in moving a large piano with a liftgate, but when done carefully, it can be done safely as well.

I can't tell exactly what went wrong with this particular move from the pictures, but IMHO most problems in piano moving come from a lack of communication. If someone makes a move that others do not expect - that is when problems happen.

Interesting. I assumed that it was on the dolly and that they had rolled it onto the lift, lowered it and caught the tail. What you described sounds like a clever trick to get the dolly under it.

I think the story said that these were essentially before and after photos, and that they'd missed the actual fall. We'll probably never know what happened.

Anyway, glad no one was injured!
Posted By: phantomFive Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/04/15 07:42 AM
Reminds me of this train/plane accident

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Posted By: Rich Galassini Re: Warning: Explicit Image - 03/04/15 12:23 PM
Originally Posted by phantomFive
Reminds me of this train/plane accident

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OMG!!! Those look like airplanes - or at least part of airplanes. Tell us that story phantomFive.
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