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#990971 - 06/30/08 04:45 PM Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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I cant seem to remember what it means, if I ever knew. Sorry if this is covered somewhere else.
The note that the letter c is over is an f.


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#990972 - 06/30/08 04:55 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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Welcome to the forums!

Do you refer to this?

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If so, this is a common time signature equal to 4/4 time signature. More on time signatures here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature


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#990973 - 06/30/08 05:02 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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I'm thinking Slowbiefatwanna (thank the designer of copy/paste!) might be referring to the bass clef sign.

The "C" with the two dots. The line between the two dots is an "F" note.

[edit] well, backwards C type thing smile [/edit]

well, edit again...

OK, he might be referring to that Common Time (aka 4/4 time signature now that I read the question again. smile

I really should read things more carefully.


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#990974 - 06/30/08 05:12 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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If it's *over* a note, could it be a C that's turned in its side face down - a fermata*? (Looks like a round eyebrow with a dot in the middle). If so, that means you hold the note.

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#990975 - 06/30/08 05:43 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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I wish i could scan this in for you all to see, but its not a time sig ,, it is over the -top- of the treble clef,, not at the beginning.

if it is a tenuto, that would explain it for the c,, thanks, but on the next phrase there is an F over the top of the treble clef, in the same spot where the c was for the first phrase.. Sorry to be a pain, im only 1 month into this. I took lessons as a child for like 2 minutes,lol.


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#990976 - 06/30/08 05:48 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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I put the question on yahoo answers too, there is two answers to it, both of them said it is a chord sign, top let me know what chords go well with that section of melody. Does that sound right?


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This is intriguing. What is the name of the piece? Is there a key signature (grouped sharps or flats in the beginning)? Is this from a method book or what kind of source? I'm wondering whether they're indicating chords or the key, or a modulation and not using the regular signs.

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It seems it might be a chord if it is over the treble staff. Having F afterwards can only further that possibility.


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#990979 - 06/30/08 05:54 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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What piece of music are you looking at? I bet it's an indication that the measure is in the key of C...and the next measure is in the key of F.

Are other measures labeled G and G7?

#990980 - 06/30/08 05:54 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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Originally posted by keystring:
If it's *over* a note, could it be a C that's turned in its side face down - a tenuto? (Looks like a round eyebrow with a dot in the middle). If so, that means you hold the note.
Keystring,

The "eyebrow with a dot in the middle" is actually called a fermata.

A tenuto is a horizontal dash you put over or under a note to indicate a slight accent.


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#990981 - 06/30/08 06:08 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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A tenuto is a horizontal dash you put over or under a note to indicate a slight accent. [/QB]
Oops, thanks. shocked I think I've mixed up those names before.

What is the meaning of the word "fermata"? It seems to mean to "close" something, so you don't think if it as "holding" a note. Or does this have to do with the way it's used in Bach chorales, for example, where it seems to close or end a phrase?

#990982 - 06/30/08 06:11 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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The piece is "Day Tripper"
and yes there is a d7 and e7 and then a c again for the last phrase,,, heheh
. Looks like we have an answer. Thank you all very much. Now if I can just get the rhythm


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#990983 - 06/30/08 06:19 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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For the record, a tenuto can also indicate a fermata-like rubato. Rachmaninoff used it as such in the opening bars of his c# prelude (Op. 3 No. 2).

#990984 - 06/30/08 06:52 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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A tenuto is a horizontal dash you put over or under a note to indicate a slight accent.
Oops, thanks. shocked I think I've mixed up those names before.

What is the meaning of the word "fermata"? It seems to mean to "close" something, so you don't think if it as "holding" a note. Or does this have to do with the way it's used in Bach chorales, for example, where it seems to close or end a phrase? [/QB]
I have several pieces with fermata. I believe it means to hold the note or chord in question for a longer time than one would do normally based on the duration of the notes. The performer can AFAIK hold the note as long as desired.

#990985 - 06/30/08 06:53 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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What is the meaning of the word "fermata"? It seems to mean to "close" something, so you don't think if it as "holding" a note.
Simply "pause". Doesn't fermare mean "stop" in Italian?


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#990986 - 06/30/08 07:00 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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It's just a chord marking. It means that the measure is accompanied by a C chord. This is very common in popular music, but not in classical.

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THanks, Currawong. I was after the Italian meaning and maybe a clue as to why that word has been chosen for the musical action indicated by the fermata sign. You see, I keep mixing up the term and calling it "tenuto" because that Italian word means "to hold", and when I first encountered the symbol I learned it meant to "hold" the note or rest. I made the mistake again today.

Babelfish says "fermare" = "to stop" and "fermata" = "stopped". So is the fermata sign also related to stopping, or do we create a feeling of stopping? "Pause" as you've defined it gives that idea of stopping and I like it better than "holding the rest/note" if that's so. It might help fix the name of the term in my mind.

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Hi all,

Below is a link to the most complete Internet dictionary of musical terms and symbols I've come across. Perhaps you'll all find it as informative as I find it. Immediately to the right of "Z" you will find "Symbols". One can search alphabetically or by symbol. I think it's a fantastic resource. Many terms are displayed in more than one language. laugh

http://www.dolmetsch.com/musicalsymbols.htm

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#990989 - 07/01/08 03:29 AM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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Thank you, Lisztener - that link is invaluable as a resource.

#990990 - 07/01/08 02:24 PM Re: Letter c over the treble clef, what does it mean?  
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keystring, "fermare" does mean "to stop" but "fermata" can also be used as a noun to mean "stop" as in "bus stop".
Ironically, here in Italy that sign is called "corona" ("crown") so it goes after the icon rather than the meaning. :-/

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Grazie, Alessandro. (Don't know if I spelled that right). I'm glad I asked the question because the idea of it being a pause makes a lot more musical sense than "note/rest being held". Corona does seem logical.

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What does this symbol mean, didn't find it in Lisztener's link

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