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Okay, before I ask this next question, I would like to remind everybody that There Is No Such Thing As A Stupid Question.
Um, am I supposed to pedal at all on this piece?
[ducks from rotten tomatoes being thrown] Please pardon my ignorance, but you have to remember that I come from the Land of New Age, which lives and dies by the pedal. So as I started practicing "Linus and Lucy" for the first time, I merrily hit that sustain pedal just as I do for everything else that I play, and it sounded horrible. Are any of you pedalling on it?
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That's not a stupid question at all Monica!
I started pedaling on this, and I thought it sounded muddy. So I've been practicing without it myself. I don't know if this is what you are suppose to do on this song, but I'm sure you'll be glad to know you aren't the only one who's been confused about it.
I hadn't thought to ask. I'm so glad you brought it up though.
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Originally posted by Shortcircuit85: I'm sure you'll be glad to know you aren't the only one who's been confused about it.
[wipes sweat from brow] Phew! Now let's just wait for an answer from the experts. I'm with you; I've been practicing without the pedal since the first horrid muddy experience.
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I think it doesn't call for a pedal (but I'm not an expert!). I'm not really sure but I think jazz generally doesn't use sustain, since there are so many dissonant notes running up and down together that they'll just sound muddy. If new age lives by the pedal and long sustained notes, then maybe jazz lives by the beat and short snappy notes? I don't know, Linus and Lucy is officially my first jazz piece, and Take Five is coming up next!
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I don't think so...I haven't been (with a confused look on my face)
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Well, it looks like we are all on the same page (no pun intended)
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Originally posted by Monica Kern: Right now I'm playing it without the grace notes (thanks, VibeRaider!) just to get the timing down, but I'm not ready to give up on them completely so I will try adding them back in.
You're welcome Monica!!! Yes, it is also smart not to give up on the grace notes completely as I'm sure you will become a little more proficient to play them later. As for me, I had already learned this piece last century without the benefit of the music score. I might have trouble adding those grace notes, due mainly to laziness!
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Originally posted by Monster M&H: I've been playing with E-flat/A-flat 2-4, F/A-flat 3-4 using 1 for the slur note(E). Cool! Another fingering! Where were you when I needed you before???
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Okay, how about this (on the subject of the grace note riffs): 1-4 E-flat/A-flat 1 slurs into E Then 2-4 F/A-flat Looks like the grace notes will live!!! Where was this team when I needed them before???
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Originally posted by Monica Kern: Um, am I supposed to pedal at all on this piece? I wouldn't. But only in one exception: In the first verse after the opening part of the song, where the score reads N.C. then starts with G/B-flat and the E-flat7. Stop pedaling when that verse ends and the opening melody starts again.
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Originally posted by dvdiva: jazz lives by the beat and short snappy notes I love how you put that! No pedal it is, then.
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Anybody notice it's alot harder to hide your mistakes without that pedal? humm...
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It's not even an issue with me, shortcircuit, because I'm just working on the first two pages HS. Whenever I try to play HT, I get thrown for a loop and everything grinds to a halt. I'm hoping it will come together. Eventually.
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Originally posted by Shortcircuit85: I'm talking about one of the main sections that everyone recognizes. I don't have the music infront of me, so I can't cite the measure, but it's the part where the left hand and right hand are out of sync for two beats. There is a 1/4 note in the left hand followed by Eb (I thinK) chord? I was playing them at the same time, so that's very ackward now to play them offset by an 8th. Originally posted by Monster M&H: YUP...thats the one, me too Which version are you both working with? The 4-page one from the Charlie Brown Christmas book, or the 8-page one? The screenshot of the swing section you posted earlier seems to be taken from the 4-page version. On both 4-page and 8-page versions, the first two measures after the double-bar have slightly different left-hand patterns. In the 8-page version, pictured below, the 1st measure (after the double-bar) ends with an added 8th note (lower E) so the 2nd measure starts with both RH & LH in sync. In the 4-page version, the 1st measure keeps the LH pattern (last 8th note tied with next), so LH & RH are not in sync at the start of the 2nd measure. I guess if you're having difficulty with it, you could try using the other version with the added 8th note! Merge the 2 versions together and use what suits you best!
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The 8 page version dvdiva. That section is a little tricky and needs to be played reeeeeeeal slooooow to get the timing down. It will come, honest.
Whats everyone doing for the slur note section...fingering?
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I'm doing exactly what Monica was doing (before she decided to give a rest! ). 2nd & 5th fingers, then thumb for grace note, then 3rd & 5th fingers.
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DVDIVA, I'm looking at your posted pic, and it looks the same as the 4 page version which I am playing. If, my memory is correct (cause I"m not looking at the score right now), I have that 8th note as well. I definitely don't have any grace notes, but I have the same right/left melody.
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There's a veeery *slight* difference! Probably not audible when played at regular speed anyway. Here's a pic of the 1st two rows of the 4-page version. The difference isn't very noticeable and at first glance, looks exactly the same. Fooled me too!
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oh! Boy, I had to look at one than the other about 10 times before I could figure it out.
I stand corrected.. I think I am going to edit my edition to look like the 8 page edition. Though, I want to play both and figure out which I think sounds better.
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I personally think that the difference is too subtle to be picked up except by an active listener.
At least in that section.
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