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What does it mean to be classicly trained? #982000
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I heard an artist say, they were classicly trained in piano. What does that mean exactly?

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Re: What does it mean to be classicly trained? #982001
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They were taught using Western European art music.


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Re: What does it mean to be classicly trained? #982002
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That term really doesn't have real meaning. Keyboardklutz puts it in simple terms that they where taught using Western European Art music other wise known as classical piano literature.

Basically, there are different methods out there - within every method there are variations. There are also many different genres out there, some teachers are specialists in Jazz - their approach to Jazz integrates Jazz pieces and Jazz theory - concepts such as: tonality/modality (the blues scale), improvisation, swing, Jazz Rhythms, etc are taught.

A classical pianist would generally (mind you I say generally) be taught how to read, they'd be taught different periods and composers and be taught classical repertoire.

Think of the word training as upbringing, they where brought up by their teachers with classical music.

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Basically, almost everybody is "classically
trained." If you've taken any kind of
piano lessons, you're classically trained,
because almost all piano teachers are
classical teachers. Jazz/popular teachers
are very rare and you have to look hard
to find them, so the chances are remote
that you had a non-classical teacher.

Note that even if a teacher uses a
set of course books like the Alfred Adult
Course, that has many popular and folk
tunes in it, you're still being classically
trained, because you play the music exactly
as written on the score, with no improvisation
or arranging--that's the classical way
of playing. In jazz/popular piano you
would be expected to make your own
arrangement and improvise.

Even if you learn on your own using something
like the Alfred Adult Course, you're still
being classically trained, because you're playing
the music exactly as written on the score.

Re: What does it mean to be classicly trained? #982004
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It's also about technique - the training of the physical skills required. When you are talking about a "classicaly trained" musician - it is usually in regard to them playing something besides classical music (a classical pianist playing jazz, a classical violinist playing bluegrass)...in those cases, the training they are talking about is mostly about the technique of physically playing the instrument.

"Classical" (Western art) music requires a certain portfolio of technical skills - physical skills - necessary to play it correctly. More specific types of classical music require specific skills. But 'classical training' itself is almost always assumed to involve learning a wider range of technical skills than other genres (or at least that's the idea of those who brag about 'classical training').

Bach, for instance, often requires you to have several different 'lines' of music interweaving at the same time. To make each line distinctive and smooth requires a certain technical skill - the physical ability to play those lines, to put it simply, like there were 2, or 3, or 4 musicians each playing a single line rather than 1 musician playing multiple lines at the same time. To make these lines 'sound' evenly is really, really hard (in my opinion).

Other types of classical music require other skills...the ability to make a melodic line 'sing out' over a whole bunch of other complicated "stuff" going on simultaneously...or a tremendous range of dynamic control.

What is implied is usually the ability to play really, really difficult music really well. Musicians of other genres tend to not like that because it implies that their genre (bluegrass, pop, jazz) is "easier" than classical.


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Re: What does it mean to be classicly trained? #982005
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i agree with ProdigalPianist. also, 'classically trained' means also that the pianist has reached the very high level of piano playing, which involved much systematic piano training in music schools or conservatories. if one took a few years lessons with a classical pianist, it won't mean one is already 'classically trained', unless you're talking about the graduates of piano performance major from conservatories.

i took a few years of piano lessons already, but i don't think i'm qualified to such a term, because i cannot play at that level as my teacher or many piano performance major students.

Re: What does it mean to be classicly trained? #982006
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Thanks everyone for sharing.

Seems like there isn't one specific answer, that it is based on peoples different interpertations.

I think the artist was refering to the technique and musical genre. She mentioned the shapes in her hands, and the music she played growing up (classical) having a big influnce on her music today.

When she said, she was "classicly trained" I just wasn't clear on what she meant.

Thanks Everyone!!


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Re: What does it mean to be classicly trained? #982007
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Yes it's the European style of piano training. In terms of technique, they will use books like Czerny, Hanon, Sonatina, Etudes etc. For repertoire, one usually would practise the ones taken from eras below:
Baroque (1600 – 1760 eg Bach),Classical (1730 – 1820 eg Mozart),Romantic (1815 – 1910 eg Chopin),Modern and contemporary,20th century classical (1900 – 2000 eg Debussy).
In addition, a person who has gone through conservatory, major piano music in college or taken exams such as the ABRSM (Associated Board of the Royal Schools of Music) would have a classical background.

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In comparing Jazz and Classical, I think in the beginning the training would be the same in order to get basic technique. As you advance I think things would start to diverge. With classical you will continue technique and learn repertoire. With jazz, in addition to technique, you would learn one and two handed voicings, playing melodies using chords with one or both hands, comping, and improvisation.


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