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#948738 - 12/20/07 10:11 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Okay, here's my lines up. One thing I do have is a great ear, so hope I don't hate myself in the morning!

version 1 Grand
version 2 Upright
version 3 Old clunker
version 4 Digital

The version 3 piano had some whiney notes, so I'm hoping its not your grand! laugh


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#948739 - 12/20/07 10:41 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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1. The Schimmel. The characteristic clarity is there that the Schimmels have, but it is defintiely an upright because the bass isn't as powerful.

2. The Technics. I have the SX/PX665, and this sounds lot like it. The "nice" piano sound is there, but there's no overtones.

3. The Steinberg. Not a bad sounding grand.

4. The Knight clunker (not bad really for a clunker). There's a lot of buzzing and extra ringing like the dampers aren't seating properly when the note is terminated.

I'm probably way out in left field somewhere, but this is what I think they are.

John


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#948740 - 12/20/07 10:44 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Originally posted by Monica K.:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by inlovewithit:
[qb] .

Lots of fun, and not the greatest rate of accuracy among most of the responses.
A few people even though my Vogel was a Steinway! :p

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#948741 - 12/20/07 10:54 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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And we gotta wait HOW long for the answers?

There will be a lot of sheepish faces and hasty excuses if #4 turns out to be the grand. laugh


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#948742 - 12/20/07 10:59 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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OK, I'll weigh in and shed the 'yellow-bellied chicken' label. I'll even go out on a limb!


1) Knight (agreed, not bad for a 'clunker').

My strong view here is that this one is NOT the grand or the digital.

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2) the digital.

Here's my limb: I'll eat my proverbial hat (figuratively, folks) if this guess is wrong. It just has that digital reverb sound and the bass just plain sounds sampled from a piano bigger than 5'8"

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3) I think this is the Steinberg.

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4) By default, this is the Schimmel.

It sounds like a vertical. I could easily switch my guesses for 1 and 4.

#948743 - 12/20/07 11:06 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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You ARE taking a brave stance, piano*dad! I picked #1 for the digital because of all the samples, it sounded the most muted in the attack, without that acoustic "plunk" I hear when real hammers hit real strings.


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#948744 - 12/20/07 11:11 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Well, upon reviewing the entire thread, it seems that my choice of #2 as the digital is the mode at present. Not that there is any safety in numbers here. As Chris notes, the microphones have a big influence on sound. If they add distortion then there will be a lot more 'noise' in the distribution of choices because of that.


And just looking at the numbers, if the grand is 2 or 3 and the digital is 1 or 2 then everything is OK with the world. The 'group' will have zeroed in on the truth collectively.

#948745 - 12/20/07 11:12 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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The results will have to wait until Sunday afternoon or evening as I am going away for a couple of days. The time here is currently 16:10 Thursday afternoon.

Besides, there are still a few regular posters who are keeping quiet. laugh


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#948746 - 12/20/07 03:58 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Here's my uneducated take smile

1. Clunker
2. Digital
3. Grand
4. Upright.

impressive playing btw

#948747 - 12/20/07 05:16 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Aww, you're keeping us in suspense all weekend???


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#948748 - 12/20/07 07:23 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
OK, I'll weigh in and shed the 'yellow-bellied chicken' label. I'll even go out on a limb!
Good for you Dad!

Monica, listen to the very first note of sample #1. If that's a digital then forget the notion that digitals never need tuning.

Mike


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#948749 - 12/20/07 07:36 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Monica, listen to the very first note of sample #1. If that's a digital then forget the notion that digitals never need tuning.
Mike
Wrong notion Mike. It's not that they don't need tuning - they are often enough out of tune but they can't be tuned. eek

#948750 - 12/20/07 09:06 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Going out on a limb here:

1. Clunker
2. Digital
3. Grand
4. Upright


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#948751 - 12/20/07 09:11 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Monica, listen to the very first note of sample #1. If that's a digital then forget the notion that digitals never need tuning.
Mike
Wrong notion Mike. It's not that they don't need tuning - they are often enough out of tune but [b]they can't be tuned.
eek [/b]
So I gotta ask you, Supply; which piano do think is the digital? [nervously waits for answer]


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#948752 - 12/20/07 09:26 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Hmm, should I just a post a list, or describe my choices, increasing the embarrassment in the case I'm wrong? Well, I'll go ahead:

1) Upright - It sounded like the ones I've played on, and nothing bad enough to be a "clunker".

2) Digital - The tone seemed a bit dull at times, which is my experience with digitals.

3) Grand - but it wasn't an immediate recognition or anything. I think it sounded nicer overall.

4) "Clunker" - By process of elimination, though I'm still not sure whether 1 or 4 is the "clunker" since they both sound okay to me. None of the examples sounded horrible to me. I've played on horrible pianos, I know their sound, and there was nothing too bad in these samples.

Nothing here was exceptionally better in my opinion to anything else.


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#948753 - 12/21/07 08:37 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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After 1st listen I'm thinking

1 Schimmel
2 Digital
3 Grand
4 Klunk

I don't think 1 is the digital, as I seem to recall having heard a couple bobbling hammers. I'll see if my mind changes after having another listen.


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#948754 - 12/21/07 09:40 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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2 is digital
3 is grand

I'm quite positive # 1 is a real piano.

It's a toss-up between 1 and 4, but I'd have to say 1 is the clunker. Which would of course leave 4 to be the upright.


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#948755 - 12/21/07 10:27 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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I'd go with :

1) Clunker
2) Digital
3) Grand
4) Schimmel

I, as a few others apparently, hesitaded a lot between 1 and 4, but I'm now pretty confident in my choice... At least if I'm completely wrong I won't be alone wink

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1 - digital
2 - grand
3 - upright
4 - clunker

#948757 - 12/21/07 11:30 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Clunker
Digital
Grand
Upright

#948758 - 12/22/07 01:05 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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1. Schimmel upright
2. Digital piano
3. Wilh. Steinberg grand
4. Knight upright

#948759 - 12/22/07 03:13 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Clunker
Digital
Grand
Upright

#948760 - 12/22/07 11:49 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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1 Clunker
2 Digital
3 Grand
4 Schimmel

The recordings are so compressed though that it is hard to really judge. I thought that the digital and grand were easily recognizable. The differences between 1 and 4 were harder to discern but they were definitely uprights.

Of course depending on how they were recorded (mic placement) it could fake us all out here.


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#948761 - 12/22/07 12:15 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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1 - Schimmel
2 - Digital
3 - Grand
4 - Clunker

try this again after you've tuned them next month and i think it will be much more interesting...


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#948762 - 12/22/07 03:50 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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1)Clunker
2)Grand piano
3)Digital
4)newer Upright

I made my selection before reading through all the other guesses. I feel secure in the fact that my choices are not far off from very "reputable" contributors. smile

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#948763 - 12/22/07 04:04 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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Just saw this thread. Here's my stab at this, prior to seeing the other replies:

1)Upright
2)Grand
3)Digital
4)Clunker


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#948764 - 12/22/07 06:24 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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1. Digital
2. Schimmel
3. Grand
4. Clunker

#948765 - 12/22/07 08:45 PM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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1. Clunker--that's one nasty sounding piano.
2. Digital--unbalanced--the bass is weak--like a cheap digital piano.
3. Grand--it simply sounds the best and the playing is better too.
4. Upright--ok sounding, but could use a tuning.

OK. Stop torturing us. Tell everybody that i'm right!


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#948766 - 12/23/07 01:44 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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1)Knight--Least savory of the bunch, but not so bad, brittleness gave it away, harsh at times.
2)DP. Fairly neutral and in tune, not much ringing. I liked it, crisp, and thought it was grand originally.
3)I'll call the small grand. The runs seemed cleaner and lighter, more simply played.
4)Schimmel, but, at first, thought it was the grand before hearing infamous Schimmell box ringing. Unless that was the phone. Tough test. Some passages closely run and thought test was crooked at first. But after a few listenings . . .

#948767 - 12/23/07 04:40 AM Re: (Guess the) Grand, upright, clunker or digital!  
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OK, sorry for the wait.

Here are the results!

1 - Clunker. As some said, not too bad. It does sound a little better when tuned but at the end of the day it is a £600 piano.

2 - Digital. The only one in tune which gives it away a bit. Interesting that quite a few got this mixed up with the grand. I suppose it is sampled from a grand.

3 - Grand. Phew! I am so glad that most of you got this. So I didn't waste all that money after all. Only one person thought it was the clunker. I know who you are, where you live and I will be coming for you mad laugh

4 - Schimmel upright. Okay, so maybe I wasted my money on this frown . Trust me, it sounds much better in the flesh. I had to convert the recordings to mp3 in order to upload them (wav files were too large). It's easy to see why you would mix up no. 1 and 4. I would like to know more about the 'infamous box ringing' though.

And so the winner is....

MORODIENE thumb

Not only did she nail it within an hour of my post but she gave accurate reasons for each choice. I thought it was game over right from the start! Well, after the terrible week you have had I guess you could use some good news (however small) wink

Well done to all those who got it right.

Merry Christmas.


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