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#943543 - 11/16/08 12:58 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Danny,

When you say: "But I'm politically incorrect and outspoken to the core, and come from a lower class life mentality and I'm afraid I will keep getting on your nerve, no matter what", you bring to mind some things of mine that I have spent my life trying to rise above.

I had few privileges in the family I was born into, and I considered myself a financial burden to them. I had a spark of intelligence in a home challenged with every day necessities being too much to handle. Sadly, fear, indifference, and ignorance dominated the minds of the people who raised me from childhood. Things showing me daily what I did not want for myself.

One of the best opportunities in our lives is for us to shape our lives to our own satisfaction. To determine what is worth talking about, how to spend our time on relevant things.
How to forget our pasts that haunt us.

Sometimes the thing that was the biggest handicap to us in our early lives, is the thing that saves us from continuing to behave in the world the way that we were brought up.

Today's habits and truth might be replaced with something better.

You have a lot of potential, Danny, but you can't be truly happy when most of what is your perception has a certain amount of misery to it. Transferred to you by other people, the newspapers you read, the television you watch.

I loved my family dearly, but they were through circumstances trapped into a mindset which was very, very limiting, and from which they could not escape.

I could and did. I think you have to have a dream to aspire to because there are so much mundane distractions that would keep us from our purpose in life.

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#943544 - 11/16/08 01:19 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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I've read all four pages of this topic and I still can't figure out what you people are talking about.

:rolleyes:


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#943545 - 11/16/08 01:33 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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I think the original idea was along the lines of an exchange of creative, original, innovative, unusual, interesting thought among teachers. It seems to have morphed.
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#943546 - 11/16/08 05:44 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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I've read all four pages of this topic and I still can't figure out what you people are talking about.

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#943547 - 11/16/08 06:48 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Betty,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I appreciate it. What you said rings so true and liberating to me. You're right. Rather than regretting the past, we might consider it the best thing that happened to us, making us conscious of the need of a better present, we can build. I'll think about what you said, and will try to wipe away some of that misery in my perception.

#943548 - 11/17/08 02:24 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Group hug! Now, how about getting back to Gary's important question again?

"Whatever happened to creative exchange of ideas here?"

Apparently, based on this morph/hyjack, that is not what brings and keeps some/many/most (teachers) here. Having a place to vent, argue, find fault or take personal offense is not the same thing as sharing content meaningfully.

Perhaps a sub-forum could be better renamed "The Middle School Teacher's Lounge" and could have these threads as stickies:

"Bitter Coffee", "Smoky Clothes", "Stale Doughnuts", "Personal Vendettas, "Repressed Romances", "Nit Picking" and "B&M" (not standing for Band & Music), etc. laugh
Then the rest of the threads could be reserved for relevant content and posts that go off topic could be moved by the moderators to one of the above named stickies...

#943549 - 11/17/08 05:45 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Originally posted by Kreisler:
[b] I've read all four pages of this topic and I still can't figure out what you people are talking about.

:rolleyes:
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roger that

#943550 - 11/17/08 05:55 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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What The Journey said, two posts up. I would love to sit back and lurk, and watch the teachers take off on Gary's idea. I would love to see that happening without a digression on blaming outsiders. I have seen several innovative ideas fall flat in the water. Nobody cared to respond. There was not a non-teacher in sight. In fact, there was nobody in sight. I think that I understand that this is what Gary is talking about. Is it in fact a discussion on "why we aren't posting" or is it a call to post and respond to posts? (Gary?)

#943551 - 11/17/08 06:28 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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With all due respect, being approx. 16 hours difference to most of you, due to time zones, it's quite often hard to be 'present' when ideas are taking off...when I log on...so many threads have gone off-course from their thread title, that I'm overwhelmed as to what to respond to! lol smile Don't know about you, but when I log on, their are usually only about 7 logged in members.

Anyone else suffer this 'creative exchange' dilemma? smile

#943552 - 11/17/08 06:32 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Well, that might answer part of the question that was originally asked. Perhaps it's not lack of interest, then. smile

#943553 - 11/17/08 06:35 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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No, there just isn't much imagination out there. Blame the school system.


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#943554 - 11/17/08 06:48 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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I think Gary said what he needed to say. The lack of a only-teachers forum was partially blamed. From there the discussion followed its natural course and exhausted itself.

#943555 - 11/17/08 07:23 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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From there the discussion followed its natural course and exhausted itself.
Was that its natural course, or did it get directed there by choices made? Can it redirect? Is it done?

#943556 - 11/17/08 07:30 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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From there the discussion followed its natural course and exhausted itself.
Was that its natural course, or did it get directed there by choices made? Can it redirect? Is it done?
Given the meandering "focus" of this thread, lets have a discussion about whether or not it followed its natural course, can it redirect, etc, etc!! :p
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#943557 - 11/17/08 07:35 AM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Well, you can't say I didn't try. :p

Love your sig, btw.

#943558 - 11/17/08 03:28 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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With all due respect, being approx. 16 hours difference to most of you, due to time zones, it's quite often hard to be 'present' when ideas are taking off...when I log on...so many threads have gone off-course from their thread title, that I'm overwhelmed as to what to respond to! lol smile Don't know about you, but when I log on, their are usually only about 7 logged in members.

Anyone else suffer this 'creative exchange' dilemma? smile
Oh yes laugh
Everything has happened overnight, from my perspective. I fall into bed about 10.30 my time, and all you lot get going ("good, she's gone, now we can talk"). When I log on in the morning I'm mostly just reading to catch up on what's been said, and the place is deadly quiet most of the day. So unless I spend far more time here than I really should, I'm often amazed at where things have gone while I slept...


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#943559 - 11/17/08 04:05 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Presumably you guys are out of bed sometime before me? Though I am up, drinking coffee and reading the latest posts by 6am!


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With all due respect, being approx. 16 hours difference to most of you, due to time zones, it's quite often hard to be 'present' when ideas are taking off...when I log on...so many threads have gone off-course from their thread title, that I'm overwhelmed as to what to respond to! lol smile
I'm aware of this time distance between here an "Oz", because I chat with a friend in Australia. I'm a late night person, so people in the US start to go to bed about the time I just get started. When I type now (afternoon), it is between students, short breaks. I am often wide awake and in a talking mood at 3 AM, but that's already midnight, even in California, so I'm also out of sync.
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Don't know about you, but when I log on, their are usually only about 7 logged in members.

Anyone else suffer this 'creative exchange' dilemma? smile
If you are talking about this forum (teacher's), I think so. I should check how many people are online. I never did that before. smile


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#943561 - 11/17/08 04:24 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Presumably you guys are out of bed sometime before me? Though I am up, drinking coffee and reading the latest posts by 6am!
I often am, too smile , on weekdays, anyway. (It's 8.20am here now)


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It's 10:44pm here. Is this a creative exchange?


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#943563 - 11/17/08 05:49 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Are we still discussing "creative ideas?" laugh

Actually, the topic is: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?

I guess the ideas don't need to be creative, just how we exchange them! laugh laugh


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#943564 - 11/17/08 06:14 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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Are we still discussing "creative ideas?" laugh
I don't think so!
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Actually, the topic is: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?
And much to my embarrassment, since I posted it without some words, then forgot to spellcheck. That's why people will think I went back to edit my ideas, when actually was all about typos. smile

It was supposed to be "What happened to a creative exchange of ideas here?"

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I guess the ideas don't need to be creative, just how we exchange them! laugh laugh
The creativity I was hoping for is about exchanging (possibly) new ideas about how we teach the things we all have to teach.

For instance, you mentioned teaching pedal from the start. I also teach pedal very early.

I'd love to discuss this and pedaling techniques we teach. Are you game for a topic about that? smile


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For instance, you mentioned teaching pedal from the start. I also teach pedal very early.

I'd love to discuss this and pedaling techniques we teach. Are you game for a topic about that? smile
Speaking for me, yes smile .

In amongst all the other stuff on this thread (some of which was fun!) I think the point I got was - let's exchange creative ideas about how we teach, and be open to ideas from each other.

So start a new thread and let this one die a natural death. RIP smile


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Hello all,

I'm kind of new to this board so I'll keep my comments brief.

It seems to me that Gary D. wants to discuss a creative exchange of ideas. It also seems that Betty P. feels threatened by anything that strays from "traditional" piano pedagogy.

As someone who teaches adults how to improvise and compose, I think Gary D's perspective is fresh and one that is needed.

As I've said in the many articles I've written, I'm amazed at the pompous and righteous indignation that often comes from classical piano teachers. They feel threatened by anything that doesn't conform to the norm and think everyone should follow the exact same path.

Is it any wonder most don't take piano lessons?

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#943568 - 11/22/08 09:49 PM Re: What happened creative exchange of ideas here?  
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^ thankyou for your clarification. This thread seemed to bend in different directions. The subject was lost a few times.

I think traditional piano pedagogy has been kept through the years, it proves its effectiveness. At the same time society has moved on. There are been other mediums and devices to which we can communicate. People can learn different things through the internet now, self learning is becoming common.

We always associate classical piano teachers as traditional, I think although true this link needn't be made to the genre or type of music one plays. It's ultimately the type of teacher.

Its great to have discussion forums, the world of music education is constantly evolving due to technology and globalisation. Some teachers may not feel that they can accept certain approaches, however, I think it is good to have some knowledge and an awareness of how different areas are conducted.

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Let me say quiescen,

You have a real nerve to post this on the piano teacher forum and at the same time insult some of us with your hypothetical question: "Is it any wonder most don't take piano lessons?"

I am not the least bit surprized to read what you have written. After all, you do have something that you are selling, don't you?

And, when you say I'm a traditional teacher threatened....you have no idea how creative and innovative I am, you are using me because I fit your agenda.

I'm happy to be called a traditional teacher, tried, true, established, and still going in my 38th year. So don't discount traditional teachers!

quiescen cheerfully says:
"Hello all,

I'm kind of new to this board so I'll keep my comments brief.

It seems to me that Gary D. wants to discuss a creative exchange of ideas. It also seems that Betty P. feels threatened by anything that strays from "traditional" piano pedagogy.

As someone who teaches adults how to improvise and compose, I think Gary D's perspective is fresh and one that is needed.

As I've said in the many articles I've written, I'm amazed at the pompous and righteous indignation that often comes from classical piano teachers. They feel threatened by anything that doesn't conform to the norm and think everyone should follow the exact same path.

Is it any wonder most don't take piano lessons?

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Hello all,

I'm kind of new to this board so I'll keep my comments brief.

It seems to me that Gary D. wants to discuss a creative exchange of ideas. It also seems that Betty P. feels threatened by anything that strays from "traditional" piano pedagogy.

As someone who teaches adults how to improvise and compose, I think Gary D's perspective is fresh and one that is needed.

As I've said in the many articles I've written, I'm amazed at the pompous and righteous indignation that often comes from classical piano teachers. They feel threatened by anything that doesn't conform to the norm and think everyone should follow the exact same path.

[b]Is it any wonder most don't take piano lessons?


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Hi Betty,

As far as selling something goes, I'm following the PW guidelines by including the promo in the sig file. Don't like it? Too bad. Take it up with Frank.

And by the way, a lot of people make their living by teaching piano. I make mine on the internet.

We're all selling something aren't we. You're selling an outdated pedantic approach to playing piano. You might want to include that in your sig file along with your lovely picture.

Are you ready for this ... here it comes again.

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quiescen,

You've just proved to me that I should ignore you because you are quite the intimidator. We have little in common.

Congratulations!

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