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Re: Teaching on a digital piano
#935958 12/21/08 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by Aviator1010110:
It is my opinion as a teacher that you should have at least one well tuned and regulated acoustic piano - preferably a grand, but a good upright is fine.
When I was growing up, my (fourth) piano teacher taught on a Kawai grand. It's not a great instrument, but at least it was in tune. Then she had to relocate her studio, and she ended up having a Yamaha upright. The difference between the instruments was immense. Even as a 9th grader I could totally tell the difference.

A year later, I switched teachers. I'm sure the piano had something to do with it.

Now, as a piano teacher (of _serious_ classical music), I would never ever teach on a digital. Even if I suddenly have an influx of beginner students who play the piano "just for fun," I would still allow them to have the opportunity to make beautiful music on my (two) grands.


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Re: Teaching on a digital piano
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#935960 12/21/08 08:14 PM
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Hey - I would be very careful about how you are throwing around the term "mathematical approximation", in a general situation. You seem to imply that "mathematical approximation" means that there is some kind of shoddy "guesswork" going on. The fact of the matter is, we use approximations to run a large amount of the things we take for granted; "mathematical approximation" is, for lack of a better term, a very precise science.
Fair point. What I meant was that no matter how good it is, it's still an imitation coming from speakers and lacks the depth, feel, sonority, and personality of an acoustic piano. There's science in art, but art isn't a science.


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Re: Teaching on a digital piano
#935961 12/22/08 09:59 PM
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[b]There is one very obvious thing that my teacher has shown me that is impossible to do with a digital. If you very carefully press down (softly, so that they do NOT make a sound) some keys and hold them - and then play certain notes (loudly!) - as the note that you play fades, you hear an echoing sound. How nice (or awful!) it sounds seems to depend on the overtone relationships between the note you played and the ones you were holding down.
Impossible on some digitals, but quite possible on others.
Some high-end models have "string resonance".
The Roland HP-207 and the Yamaha CLP-270/280/380.
Probably some others, too. [/b]
I don't think those digitals can do what saerra was talking about. They have string resonance in the sense that when you play with the sustain pedal down the strings resonate the same as they would on an acoustic if the sustain pedal was down. If you did what saerra was talking about the digitals would not behave the way an acoustic would.

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#935962 12/23/08 07:07 AM
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[b]There is one very obvious thing that my teacher has shown me that is impossible to do with a digital. If you very carefully press down (softly, so that they do NOT make a sound) some keys and hold them - and then play certain notes (loudly!) - as the note that you play fades, you hear an echoing sound. How nice (or awful!) it sounds seems to depend on the overtone relationships between the note you played and the ones you were holding down.
Impossible on some digitals, but quite possible on others.
Some high-end models have "string resonance".
The Roland HP-207 and the Yamaha CLP-270/280/380.
Probably some others, too. [/b]
I don't think those digitals can do what saerra was talking about. They have string resonance in the sense that when you play with the sustain pedal down the strings resonate the same as they would on an acoustic if the sustain pedal was down. If you did what saerra was talking about the digitals would not behave the way an acoustic would. [/b]
Discotheque,

There was a thread that went on at length in the digital forum about this exact phenomenon. I believe there may even have been some sound samples posted that demonstrated this.

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#935963 12/23/08 08:51 AM
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saerra - there are some great early intermediate pieces by Seymour Berstein, The Birds, which use this technique. They are a fun set to both teach and for students to play.


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Re: Teaching on a digital piano
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I have been teaching on a Yamaha CVP-105 for years. Never had any problems, and students are actually glad they are playing on an instrument that is always in tune.

Moreover, the ability to MIDI it to my desktop computer to use music programs, is a godsend.

Of course we can debate about the pros and cons of digital vs. acoustic till the cows come home, but that would be an utter waste of time. We each have our own tastes.

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saerra - there are some great early intermediate pieces by Seymour Berstein, [b]The Birds, which use this technique. They are a fun set to both teach and for students to play. [/b]
Ooh neat! Thanks for the recommendation John, I'll have to check it out! smile

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I have been teaching on a Yamaha CVP-105 for years. Never had any problems, and students are actually glad they are playing on an instrument that is always in tune.

I have to give this observation high weight for credibility. Most of the rest of us have only opinion, including myself, having never taught on a digital. This teacher has, and with good results.

We need a contrary opinion from someone who has done it and failed, any takers?


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Any results that satisfy teachers or students, or that do NOT should be valid when weighing options. smile

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