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#934757 - 07/18/07 12:53 PM Re: Do we always have to play classical piano as the composer intended ...through linage?  
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By the way, even if I had the equipment or knowhow to record myslef I am not sure I would be brave enough to put it under public scrutiny. So I have to say very well done to ALL those who did. thumb


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#934758 - 07/18/07 01:25 PM Re: Do we always have to play classical piano as the composer intended ...through linage?  
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Hmm, Glenn Gould? Although it seems pretty slow for him wink . There *are* many ways to do things (I prefer not to skin cats...they're so darn cute!), and this is what makes performing written music so much fun, finding your own interpretation of the notes on the page.


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#934759 - 07/18/07 02:24 PM Re: Do we always have to play classical piano as the composer intended ...through linage?  
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Got it in one. laugh

Sorry, I should've known by your avatar not to mention skinning cats. I too have a cat who would prefer not to be skinned.

It was interesting that you mentioned 'childlike' when describing Gould's playing. I always got the impression that he thought the preludes were a bit twee, especially this one. Maybe he is playing in a childish way deliberately? I agree that that articulation gets rather predictable after a few bars. I would not have dared tell him that though.


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#934760 - 07/18/07 02:42 PM Re: Do we always have to play classical piano as the composer intended ...through linage?  
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Originally posted by Chris H.:

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone adding variation in dynamics, tempo, articulation, ornamentation, pedal etc. In fact, if you are to play this music on the piano (which I prefer) then there is no reason why you shouldn't make full use of its expressive capibilities. Listen again to the recording posted by MA. All of these pianistic qualities are present, they are just a little more subtle.
Chris, you truely understands what Bach (and this prelude of his) is all about. Your students are in good hands.

Bach was a very religious and conservative man. This prelude should be played more or less like the recording I have posted. It should sound peaceful. Rubato has no place in this piece, IMO.

One can jazz it up anyway he or she wants, but don't say that's what Bach intended. If one thinks it's boring, then play another piece or compose one of his or her own.

Here is another recording:

Schumann Traumerei

What do you all think of it?

#934761 - 07/18/07 03:27 PM Re: Do we always have to play classical piano as the composer intended ...through linage?  
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Rubato is all about push and pull. The borrowed time should always be payed back at some point and it should be clear what the time signature is.
Bingo. Tempo rubato is defined as "a practice common in Romantic compositions of taking part of the duration from one note and giving it to another. It involves the performer tastefully stretching, slowing, or hurrying the tempo as she/he sees fit, thus imparting flexibility and emotion to the performance."

Liszt said of Chopin's rubato, "See that tree? See how the leaves move yet the shape stays the same?" It's said that Chopin played the accompaniment (usually left hand) with a strict, metronome tempo while playing the main melody with rubato. He only used rubato for romantic music but didn't use it when playing Bach and classical music.

#934762 - 07/18/07 03:57 PM Re: Do we always have to play classical piano as the composer intended ...through linage?  
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Honestly, I didn't hear any expressive qualities in MA's recording, unless your definition of expression are dynamics and voicing. Those things are good and necessary skills, but there's so much more to expression than just those two.
Such as? Rubato? Why don't you post a recording to demonstrate them? You can post another recording of your own playing. It's a short, intermediate-leve piece, and a good piano teacher can sight read it.

#934763 - 07/18/07 04:47 PM Re: Do we always have to play classical piano as the composer intended ...through linage?  
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With the turn this topic has taken I think the discussion would fare better in the Pianist forum. A closed copy will remain here.


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