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#925256 - 01/07/09 12:52 PM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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Originally posted by Akvarn:
My view on scales and exersices is this: Every piece is a set of tecniques put together to create beautiful sound. To master these tecniques beforehand makes playing that particular piece more fun and it is learned more quickly.

This is what I did just this morning. The two pieces I'm working on are in E and Eb so I ran through the scales M/m and chords w/inversions and arpeggios for these scales (although they are far from mastered). It helps to have a better understanding of the harmony and progressions when playing the piece. And nothing feels better than that Ah Ha moment when something falls in place.


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#925257 - 01/07/09 04:56 PM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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#925258 - 01/08/09 12:54 PM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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Originally posted by Akvarn:
If I practice scales regularly for a period it can get a bit boring
Have you tried Flip-flopping?

Play scales for 5 minutes, then play repertoire for 5. For many students, the tone does not continue to improve after the first 5 minutes is up.


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#925259 - 01/10/09 12:23 PM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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Originally posted by Akvarn:
[b] If I practice scales regularly for a period it can get a bit boring
Have you tried Flip-flopping?

Play scales for 5 minutes, then play repertoire for 5. For many students, the tone does not continue to improve after the first 5 minutes is up. [/b]
Good reminder. It happens from time to time that I get caught in a tedious pattern although I try to flip-flop. Generally I find great joy in technical exercises because I know that they prepare me for the next piece or difficulties I am experiencing. My mind works best with diversity so I try to organize practice in intervals that are not too long and not too short.

#925260 - 01/11/09 12:50 AM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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This month's Piano Explorer magazine for students featured Rachmaninoff. I decided to have the students read it out load for class today, so that we could discuss it as the article unfolded.

As a student, little Sergei was required to go live with his piano teacher! And he couldn't go home, even for school and holiday breaks!!!!

I polled the students to see how many would like to move in, receive 3 lessons a day, and practice in between. So far, no takers, though I may extend the offer to parents - there may be a few who wish to dump their little darlings for a couple of years.

According to the article, his adult practice regimen was 4 hrs a day - and 2 hrs a day on scales and arpeggios. The writer didn't make it clear (to me) whether practice totaled 4 or 6 hrs a day, when scales were included.


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#925261 - 01/11/09 02:53 AM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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Originally posted by John v.d.Brook:
This month's Piano Explorer magazine for students featured Rachmaninoff. I decided to have the students read it out load for class today, so that we could discuss it as the article unfolded.

As a student, little Sergei was required to go live with his piano teacher! And he couldn't go home, even for school and holiday breaks!!!!
It would be interesting to contrast Rachmaninov with Chopin, who by all accounts was also a master teacher. My impression is that Chopin was given great freedom when young.

Now, I wonder how many hours a day young Chopin practiced. smile


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#925262 - 01/11/09 03:22 AM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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John:

You are too kind! :p

I think practicing scales and technique for 2 hours per day is too much for normal piano players. Most kids today don't practice anywhere near 2 hours per day.


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#925263 - 01/16/09 10:11 AM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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Now, I wonder how many hours a day young Chopin practiced. smile
There is a quotation from a letter Chopin's father, Mikolaj, wrote to him after he'd gone to France, Mikolaj states, "I never remember you working more than an hour at a time on someone's else's piece - - " Chopin pretty much taught himself in any case. His teacher, Zywny, was a friend of Chopin's father and primarily a violinist. He guided Chopin from the time he was about 6 until Chopin outgrew him at 12 but remained a fixture in the family for the rest of his life.


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#925264 - 01/16/09 05:20 PM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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That matches pretty well with what I've read about Chopin's practice.

I have to shake my head reading about people playing scales for two hours a day. I have students who don't practice that much in a week. frown


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#925265 - 01/17/09 07:14 PM Re: Advanced Student Practice Time  
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I'm unsure about what level I'm at. But I am new to Schumann album. Sonatina, Chopins Mazurkas/Wlatz?Polonaises, Bach inventions, and Pischna with my teacher. Since just started piano about a year and a couple of months. I plan on taking major in Piano, and I also want to compose. Practice time depends how much time I need ot learn a piece and polish up on finished ones. But scales/arpeggios are always practice for me everyday.

Practicing/finished pieces

Clementi: 36.1 (sonatina)
Chopin: Mazurka 67.3
Schumann: Hunting Song (album for the young)
Schuberts Launder in G major
Kabalevsky op 27
Little Pishna (to strengthen my Fingers)

Learning
Bach Inventions no 1 (took me 2 days to learn this piece)
Clementi 36 adante

Everything takes me about 2-4 hours daily. I'm like everyone else I work everyday, But I do have time to practice everyday. I want to major in Piano, and become a [url=http://vatousuke.deviantart.com/gallery/[/URL]
Concept Artist in Anime/Manga.

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