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Hurray! Good news... #886112
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I just heard this on the news: Hot chocolate is good for you! Apparently, hot cocoa made with bittersweet chocolate and hot milk is disease-fighting and stress relieving. Scientists have discovered that it is high in anti-oxidants called "polyphenols"--something good--even more than red wine. I'm not cutting down on red wine though.

Red wine and hot chocolate! yippie


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I have been craving red wine and chocolate all day. I guess I do know what's good for me.

smile Jodi

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one of my favorite combos, too, jodi. thanks for sharing the great news, bernard. i've been on a highly restricted diet for going on two years, but although i am not allowed to eat wheat, yeast, or sugars, i am allowed to eat all the chocolate i want! the alternative care physician i see thinks it is good medicine. (i get the kind sweetened with fruit juice at the health food store, it has 73 percent cacao).

you an also get pure unsweetened cacao and put it in hot rice milk with some vanilla and nutmeg. very good!


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Pique,

I too will take my good news where I can get it (and thank you, Bernard!), but...I hesitate to ask, what good is chocolate without sugar?

Is it just sucrose that is verboten?

Ariel

And greetings after a long time not frequenting the same threads! smile


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it's the cacao that is good for you, not the fat or the sugar. and in my case, it is the cacao that i crave.

i quit eating sugar cold turkey. my doctor tricked me: she said it would be just for a week, but i found that after the week was up i could no longer tolerate anything with sugar in it, it tasted like poison. try it some time. and you'd be amazed at all the places where sugar has been added, in all its nefarious forms. i did a huge amount of label reading the first few months.

i cheat sometimes and eat things made with beet sugar, in very limited quantities, but i can't tolerate maple syrup, honey, fructose corn syrup (in just about everything!), white sugar, brown sugar, cane juice, etc.

red wine and chocolate, yes. sugar, no.

the good part is not only am i much healthier, but i'm back to the same weight i was as a freshman in college.


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Mass media news is so incredibly stupid these days.

Cocoa is a very complex substance containing quite a few chemicals. To single out one component and claim that it's "good for you" based on the presence of that one component is idiocy.

Ditto claiming that a food is "bad for you" based on one component.

Then again, this is a food-fad culture and always has been. People love to sieze and act upon these stupid information tidbits. The news is just givng us what we want. But calling it news journalism really pushes the envelope. "Infotainment" is more appropriate.

That said, I love cocoa- it ought to be used more in savory cooking.

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I agree with Rick. Except for the thing about red wine. Now that is gospel.


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All I know is that I'm WAY HAPPIER when I drink red wine and eat chocolate. Lots and lots of chocolate. With sugar. And butter. You know, like in a croissant...

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Stay at the Hershey Hotel in Hershey PA.Their whole menu revolves around chocolate.Chocolate butter for your dinner rolls,cocoa and secret spice rubbed veal chops.Then there are the deserts!Their menu is a choclate lovers dream. laugh


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The sugar-free chocolates can be very, very good. I found an Asher's chocolate mint candy bar (think Peppermint Patty) that Eleven tasted, and now she wants one every time I trek to the Fitness & Nutrition Center.

Sugars are everywhere, and pique is right: go cold turkey from sugars (and in my case, almost cold turkey for all carbohydrates) for just a short while, and you really lose most of your taste for the super-sweetened, highly processed stuff that you used to eat. Not only that, but when you do eat portions of that stuff, you find that you are totally satisfied with much smaller portions.

I've lost 26 pounds now doing the low-carb (which, of course, is really the low-sugar)thing.That's more than I originally even wanted to, and without any real trouble (BTW, SWMBO has lost 19 of the 30 pounds that she's targeted) I eat better food, feel better, and have more energy. And now that I'm in this phase of the process, I can even have those so-called "bad" foods from time to time, with no problem, and without craving more of them.

And for desserts? How about a low-carb chocolate brownie nestled under two scoops of Breyer's "Carb-smart" chocolate ice cream, covered in real whipped cream and topped off with some crushed peanuts. Mmmmmm, and all guilt-free.... smile

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Jodi, which lens did you use for THAT picture? eek

Is that a teenage pig? laugh

Bob

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we're all getting sugar somewhere... it's what fuels our body.

You can't completely cut simple and complex sugars out of your diet... then where will you get your energy? smile

I like the excuse to eat chocolate though... too bad it's so high in phorphorous.

While the rest of the world is fadding out on a low-carb diet, I'm enjoying a low potassium, low phosphorous diet. But mine isn't by choice. Too much potassium in one sitting equals heart attack, and too much phosphorous equals bloodshot eyes and bone disease.

... ok I lied, I'm not enjoying it, but like I said, it isn't by choice.
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most foods have sugars in them naturally. carrots are very high in sugar, as are most root vegetables. most fruits are quite high in naturally occuring sugars--bananas for example are exceedingly high in sugar.

i'm talking about ADDED sugar.


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Pique -

I am very interested in your kind of diet. While doing some research a few months ago, I came across a website put up by an alternative doctor named Dr. Mercola. The information I found there was very helpful. He recommends a totally grain-free, sugar-free diet. After all of his years of experience, he feels like sugar is the culprit in many ailments that traditional doctors try to treat with medicines. I think I agree with him, based on my own experience.

Do you eat fruit or bread? Meat? In general, what do you eat on a typical day? Did you have health problems that led you to this type of diet, and did it help?

Dr. Mercola also recommends coconut oil for cooking. I now use it, and it's great.

Becky

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Dr. Mercola also recommends coconut oil for cooking. I now use it, and it's great.

Becky
This guy recommends Coconut oil for cooking???
Tell me more about him...sounds like he is nuts.
Coconut oil is one of the WORST oils available(health-wise that is)


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becky,
the diet i'm on is a variation of the yeast-free diet (there are many permutations of it). it is for people whose guts no longer work properly because of an overgrowth of yeast or similar parasites. usually this happens because of too many prescriptions of anti-biotics. it is said that if you have been prescribed systemic antibiotics four times in your life, you probably have a yeast overgrowth problem in your gut.

the yeast is a form of parasite. it can grow out of control if you eat things that feed it, and it can be starved or beaten back if you eat things that don't feed it, that kill it, or that fight it.

yeast loves sugar. think about what happens when you make bread--you mix some yeast and some sugar in water and what happens? that is also what is happening in your gut when you eat sugar.

i was on antibiotics off and on for around fifteen years.

not all grains are bad. it is actually good to eat a variety of whole grains--rice, oats, buckwheat, millet.... variety is good. unprocessed grains are good. whole foods means what you are eating is recognizable--it's a pear, not a pear tart.

eating processed foods that have added yeasts, sugars, or fermeted foods (like malt or soy sauce) just feed the yeast. lots of label reading required!

i don't eat bread, cakes, cookies, etc. i eat a little bit of meat in the winter, none in the summer. i eat lots of fish and chicken. i mostly eat whole grains and freshly steamed veggies.

i don't know why anyone would advise you to use coconut oil. it has the worst kinds of fats in it. olive oil would be far healthier for you.

another good oil to put on your food (not cook with) is fresh pressed flax oil. it spoils quickly, though, so you have to store it in the fridge.

for desserts i have fresh fruit; there is also actually a soy ice cream (chocolate flavor!) that is sweetened only with fruit juice that is a favorite dessert; chocolate bars of course; and the hot rice milk with vanilla, nutmeg, and cacao in it.

the only dairy i eat is organic nonfat plain yogurt, and i have some every day. i also take acidophilous capsules that have other probiotics in them as well. these probiotics fight off the yeast and help create a healthy gut.

sugar is indeed the culprit in many illnesses. in chinese medicine it is believed to cause/perpetuate cancer.

as for the various ways to fight yeast:

sugar feeds yeast, so no sugar
whole foods starve yeast
lemon juice and citrus seed oil kill yeast
probiotics are the healthy gut bacteria that keep yeast in check.

there is also an chinese herbal preparation called philostatin that kills off yeast in the gut, but i wouldn't take that or the citrus seed oil without the supervision of an herbalist or naturapath who knows what she is doing.


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[b] Pique -

Dr. Mercola also recommends coconut oil for cooking. I now use it, and it's great.

Becky
This guy recommends Coconut oil for cooking???
Tell me more about him...sounds like he is nuts.
Coconut oil is one of the WORST oils available(health-wise that is) [/b]
I'm not completely up on his views but he is one of those doctors that believes saturated fats aren't a problem but trans fats are. Coconut oil is stable under heat while oils like canola and cottonseed break down under heat into bad stuff. Thus, he recommends the more stable oil. Most of them go back to the Framington study which showed no correlation between cholestoral level and death from heart disease or the more recent Mayo study which showed that a high fat-low carb diet could reduce weight without adversely affecting cholestoral levels.
You can find him at www.mercola.com.


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ditto on the thumbs down on coconut oil if you want to be heart healthy.


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Dr. Mercola also recommends coconut oil for cooking. I now use it, and it's great.

Becky
This guy recommends Coconut oil for cooking???
Tell me more about him...sounds like he is nuts.
Coconut oil is one of the WORST oils available(health-wise that is) [/b]
I'm not completely up on his views but he is one of those doctors that believes saturated fats aren't a problem but trans fats are. Coconut oil is stable under heat while oils like canola and cottonseed break down under heat into bad stuff. Thus, he recommends the more stable oil. Most of them go back to the Framington study which showed no correlation between cholestoral level and death from heart disease or the more recent Mayo study which showed that a high fat-low carb diet could reduce weight without adversely affecting cholestoral levels.
You can find him at www.mercola.com. [/b]
Well coconut oil is stable because it is already broken down to the bad stuff...in other words, it can't get any worse. The good oils become less healthy with heating. A general rule-of-thumb is that any oil that is solid(saturated) at room temperature is pretty bad...for example the Peanut Butter without the oil floating on top is less healthy than the "natural" kind sitting under an inch of peanut oil. Basically hydrogens have been added and now it is solid at room temp.


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When I get a chance, I'm going to read about this Mercola nut because I'm a bit skeptical...I think he's after your money.


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FWIW, I went to Google and typed "coconut oil heart". The first page was all sites talking about the benefits of coconut oil but not necessarily the hydrogenated kind. Mercola\'s article came up about sixth on the list.

(Note: I've never knowingly used coconut oil nor eaten food prepared with it. I also don't have a lot of trust for the AHA and similar organizations who have had a close relationship with the edible oils board and have had a continually changing story on fat and cholestoral.)


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Sorry to return so much later to this thread - thank you Pique for the information. I also take probiotics - and enzymes. Your diet certainly sounds healthy.

Regarding the coconut oil, I think the premise is that coconut oil stays stable at very high temperatures (high enough to fry chicken or potatoes, for example), whereas other oils break down and become toxic. I have long believed that hydrongenated oils are at the root of a lot of our illnesses, so I am inclined to believe this.

Dr. Mercola also says that eating fast food french fries is as bad for you as smoking cigarettes. I personally think this is extreme, but for the most part he seems to make a lot of sense to me.

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Sorry to return so much later to this thread - thank you Pique for the information. I also take probiotics - and enzymes. Your diet certainly sounds healthy.

Regarding the coconut oil, I think the premise is that coconut oil stays stable at very high temperatures (high enough to fry chicken or potatoes, for example), whereas other oils break down and become toxic. I have long believed that hydrongenated oils are at the root of a lot of our illnesses, so I am inclined to believe this.

Virginia, there is contradiction here. Coconut oil IS largely hydrogenated.(See my previous post) That's why not much happens at higher temperatures...it is already saturated with hydrogen. Unless some new discovery has been made, coconut oil should be avoided.(I'm still going to look into this Mercola guy when I get a chance.


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Dr. John - How is coconut oil hydrogenated? I was under the impression that in order for oil to be hydrongenated, it has to be heated to a very high temperature, then hydrogen is added. Is this what they do to make coconut oil?

I thought it was naturally solid, I had no idea it was processed to be that way. So much information, it's hard to know what to believe!

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So much information, it's hard to know what to believe!
I believe that Oreo cookies with peanut butter on them taste so darn good that I don't care if they kill me or not.


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I'll have to admit - I have a ton of coconut oil in my pantry, but I don't use it for cooking at all.

The coconut oil gets used for my hair as I try to oil it at least once every other week. (Gotta keep the waist-length hair happy and healthy, somehow.)


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