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Why?...because "reason" and not religious beliefs would be the governing principle behind decision making in the New World. These people were optimists; they believed that reason and rational thought would lead the civilisation out of the darkness of the past.


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And that is true, but....

If you are a fish, how can you escape the influence of the ocean?


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Debating with you, Jolly, is like debating with a Marxist-Leninist or an LDS missionary- you arrive with all the answers prepared. :p


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If you are a fish, how can you escape the influence of the ocean?
If you're a Republican fish, your only influence is Bush and he's not real big on saving oceans, just poluting them. wink

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If you are a fish, how can you escape the influence of the ocean?
If you're a Republican fish, your only influence is Bush and he's not real big on saving oceans, just poluting them. wink
This proves they had to be optimists- they could not have ever forseen that the likes of "Baby Bush" (that's how we call him up here) would ever make it to the White House.


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Listen, one of the first things he did as President was to safeguard our water supply. He's assured us that we'll have all the arsenic we'll need.

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Listen, one of the first things he did as President was to safeguard our water supply. He's assured us that we'll have all the arsenic we'll need.

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You mean in case Hillary ever gets elected?

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Hillary is one of those phenomena I'll never understand... I'm not sure who the Republican equivalent would be - Jesse Helms?? Sorry -- off subject -- back to the founding fathers...

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So does that mean y'all are predjudiced against Marxists, Mormons, or both? :p

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So does that mean y'all are predjudiced against Marxists, Mormons, or both? :p

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Not too crazy about Leninists but I don't mind Marxists....as to Mormons, as long as they don't come to my door.


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as to Mormons, as long as they don't come to my door.
Seventh Day Adventists, Latter Day Saints. Christian Scientists, Scientologists. Can't we all just get along?

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Generally we do and can continue to do as long as we keep religion to ourselves and leave it the heck out of politics and the affairs of state.


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That's the problem with Canadians. No guns. No raging Constitutional debates. Too much snow. Too many moose, or is that mooses?

No fun at all. :p


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It's meese.

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(Actually, I do too - especially the Nunavik, but I ain't tellin')


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How come the Canadians who did not rebel against the British Monarchy and the assumption (nominal at least) of spiritual authority accompanying and justifying that of the Throne - are now so much more laid back than we are about Separation of Church and State?? :rolleyes:

Seems like one of History's great ironies!

Hey, Renauda does it have anything to do with Mithraism, Zoroastrianism and the Masons?? Seriously.
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That's the problem with Canadians.No guns. No raging Constitutional debates. Too much snow. Too many moose, or is that mooses?

No fun at all. :p
Don't need a gun when a hockey stick will do... winter is fun gives variety to life...and its true "some 'mericans" do not have a clue what goes on in Canadian politics, seems to me the Quebec issue and the soon to be Western Canada issue qualify as raging constitutional issues.

No fun eh?...I guess you've never met a Newfoundlander... and how many countries can boast to have a beaver on their nickle?

one moose, two moose, ten moose- a multitude of heavenly moose. :p

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[b]How come the Canadians who did not rebel against the British Monarchy and the assumption (nominal at least) of spiritual authority accompanying and justifying that of the Throne - are now so much more laid back than we are about Separation of Church and State??

Seems like one of History's great ironies!

Hey, Renauda does it have anything to do with Mithraism, Zoroastrianism and the Masons?? Seriously.
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Our founders were, for the most part, foul mouthed drunkards who from time to time went to church. We were more concerned with annexation by the Fenian republicans to the south of us than fear of the church. Also many of the Scots who settled here were not Church of England but rather Presbyterian who had suffered persecution by the English.

Although we have had a few provincial politicians in English Canada who liked to mix religion and politics its never gotten very far at the federal level. I am grateful to Quebec for keeping federal politics secular.

Canada also had Pierre Trudeau who made it priority to keep the two separate and build the country as a truly multicultural and multiethinic nation. Although Canada may have be founded as Christian country in 1867, I doubt whether anyone living here today would consider it still to be a Christian country.

Hasn't got anything to do with Mithraism, Zoroastrianism or Masonry either. Overall we just do not identify religion and nationality as do Americans although we are just as happy to have freedom from religion as you.


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Sorry for this very off-topic question, but does this thread beat KOTH?

Not that I'm complaining or anything. I have enjoyed following this thread.


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