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Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83051
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I'm also going to have a go at the Shigeru Kawai SK3. No I can't afford it, and no I don't really have space for it in my flat, but.... Aargh!
Oh we can split the cost and share the SK3 and put it in someone with a large house !! laugh How about a "time-share" piano??

How much? $35,000? not problem. Find 35 guys with $1000 each... But put in whos house ??
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Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83052
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I'm also going to have a go at the Shigeru Kawai SK3. No I can't afford it, and no I don't really have space for it in my flat, but.... Aargh!
Oh we can split the cost and share the SK3 and put it in someone with a large house !! laugh How about a "time-share" piano??

How much? $35,000? not problem. Find 35 guys with $1000 each... But put in whos house ??
:p
Hahaha! Put in my house, naturally! I'll make space for it. Actually the SK3's nett price is around $45k. If only my pocket wasn't so darned shallow! The amazing thing is that the SK3 is still cheaper than a Steinway upright. eek

The K8 is going for about the same price as the Yamaha YUS5 after discount, which is not surprising. There is a newly uncrated Kawai K80E available for $1.3k less.

So I started out with a $5k budget to buy a second hand upright, and now I'm trying to more than double the budget to snare the K8 or the K80E. Why can't one win Toto on demand?!

Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83053
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Digitus:

Actually, with $5k( depending on your bargaining skill), you can get a very good U5. You can request the "master" voicer to voice to your taste. But, even a U1(10year below, with original parts,min usage) can suffice if you're able to pick and choose a good one - good tone and touch. I can bring you to a good shop and be of assistance to you on how to pick a "worth-it" piano, if you like(PM me loh). no, i'm not a piano salesman

I like Kawai K8 too, by looking at the web, haven't tried it yet. Very advance man... For me, I'm getting a very old, refurbish K8 to play-play. Of course, nothing compares to a brand new silky smooth action and the fresh wood smell.. grand look-alike fall board .... yummy yummy.

But i think K8 has no middle slient pedal - for night practise ..
In that case, you can get the K6, if you don't mind doing without a sostenuto features....

In a enclose casing, unlike the grand with its lid open, i not sure if the effects of the duplex can be heard. can anyone confirm my thought?

Make your saliva drip... have you tried a 165 Chrisofori Grand - about 10k?? Sales guy says it's german harp, strings, hammers.. and it's very well voiced-i was thick skin to test drive it, knowing i can't afford one. Go try it tomorrow loh at Bedok branch. Agraffe, duplex..... no harshness. but i think the middle F# has a buzz :0 maybe a loose damper... hehehe


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Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83054
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snoopycar,

Why would you expect there to be a "very old, refurbished" K8 at all? The K8 is newly introduced this year. Perhaps you're thinking K80 rather than K8?

As for getting a U5 for $5k, I assume you're referring to used U5. I cannot imagine a new U5 to be available anywhere for $5k.

Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83055
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Aiyoh, snoopycar you are very naughty, putting ideas into my head.

Thanks for the offer with second-hand Yamahas. I've been into their showroom in Plaza Singapura and played on the U1, U3, and YUS5 (no U5 in the showroom). The tone is a little too nasal/bright for me. The YUS5 is the best of the lot though.

The lack of a damper pedal is not really a big issue. If I need to practice at night i will use my Roland A80 master controller connected to a MIDI module with piano samples.

As for enclosures, the K8 and K6 have what Kawai call tone releases.

Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83056
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Yep,$5k is refering to a used U5 ups for adoption smile I saw a 1965 Kawai K8 on the harp. Maybe it's so old, they reused the K8 - totally different action of course. Anyway that old k8 is refurbished piano.

Hehehe, i too went to a Yamaha showroom, but it's the Thomson branch. i just press a few keys on a U3 and can hear the tricord beating -slightly OoTune. is it my ears ?? The C2 is quite musically satisfying. Last 3 month got offer, $21k, now back to $24k !!

Didn't mean to phycho you.... if one can afford, of course buy new!! Want to hear scary things about used piano? dead note, mis-aligned hammer wear, loose tuning pins, metalic twinewinewine, sticky keys, "open durian" hammer felt, slugish action? Tell you a funny thing. Last time i went to the parkway parade branch, went inside about 5pm on a sunday... the kind lady was polishing the pianos. I browse around but all the fallboards were close.. yes can i help you she ask? yes pls open all the piano so that i can try them - just kidding.. So i just open a K5 and press a few notes. Wow!! very good tone, mellow and warm - although the temperature in the room was very cold, i think 20deg. I was actualy shivering, how can i sit down to play, my fingers could hardly move!! I said thanks as i move to the other section of korea and china pianos. Immeadiately the kind lady started polishing the K5 i just touch.. oops i'm sorry did i stained the PE with my messy finger prints or is it later you have a "stand by piano parade"? didn't mean to criticize anyone.. hehehe
Next time i'll wear gloves and winter jacket there... or do a 5min 5BX???

BTW is Mr Chiu from Robert Piano same as Mr Chiu from Chiu Piano at Thomson plaza?? have i mixed up their name?


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Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83057
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Nope, it is not the same Mr. Chiu, but yes, they are related.


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Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83058
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snoopycar,

According to the sales rep in Yamaha's Plaza Singapura showroom, they have 3 "showroom specials" per year. The current one runs to the end of 2006, so the reversion of the C2 to $24K seems odd. On the other hand maybe the specials alternate between uprights and grands....

One of the things that swayed me towards getting a new piano is my experience with used pianos so far. I don't mean to insult anybody, but my level of confidence in local piano techs isn't very high. I'm sure that there are good used pianos out there, but my *very* heavy biz travel schedule doesn't leave me with much time to pick through what's available.

Heh heh...of course, the other thing is that I can't wait! Two weeks into struggling with my hands on the A80 and I see improvement. The desire is back!

As Wzkit says the two Mr Chiu's are related. Brothers I think. They went their separate ways after the Great Piano Dealer War many many years ago.

Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83059
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interesting topic on the chius. now they are even related! one used to deal with the schimmels and now the other one is taking over.
sounds like conspiracy here?

when i ask one chiu, he said he doesn't 'know' the other. when i ask the other one, he said he 'knows' the other one!

Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83060
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hi digitus,

based on your very heavy schedule, would your intended k8 gets lonely?

Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83061
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hi axtremus,

based on the new k8 models, the below are their estimated predecessors (from what i gather on the internet and used piano shops):

k8 1958-1966
ku5D 1969-1971
ku5B 1971-1973
bl71 1973-1980
us50-70 1980-1985
??? 1986-1888
us5-6x 1989-????
us8-9x 1990-????
us7x 1991-????
us6-7xLE 1992-????
bs3c 1994-????
??? 1995-2000
k80 2001-????
k8 2006-

maybe someone can help to fill me in.
from the list, i don't know if kawai is trying its best to confuse consumers? that'll be the day when somebody bought a refurbished k8 thinking it's the new millenium series!

ha ha ....
laugh

Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83062
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based on your very heavy schedule, would your intended k8 gets lonely?
I'll make up for it when I am home! laugh

Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83063
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hi digitus,

you mentioned you went back to try at the robert's.

did you by any chance compare the k-x and k-xx?
perhaps you could contribute some of your personal experience.

Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83064
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Originally posted by mendo:
hi axtremus,

based on the new k8 models, the below are their estimated predecessors (from what i gather on the internet and used piano shops):

k8 1958-1966
ku5D 1969-1971
ku5B 1971-1973
bl71 1973-1980
us50-70 1980-1985
??? 1986-1888
us5-6x 1989-????
us8-9x 1990-????
us7x 1991-????
us6-7xLE 1992-????
bs3c 1994-????
??? 1995-2000
k80 2001-????
k8 2006-

maybe someone can help to fill me in.
from the list, i don't know if kawai is trying its best to confuse consumers? that'll be the day when somebody bought a refurbished k8 thinking it's the new millenium series!

ha ha ....
laugh
Unless he's very un-inform ... laugh (kenna conn)


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Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83065
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Originally posted by mendo:
[b] based on your very heavy schedule, would your intended k8 gets lonely?
I'll make up for it when I am home! laugh [/b]
She'll have a companion, mr Roland.... wink


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Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83066
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Why should there be a piano world war? izzit about $$$$ ? Anything to do with the Eagle Piano Company?? wink wink

A price war would be good .... 3 cheers !!!


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Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83067
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Hi Mendo,

The obvious comparison would be between the K8 and the K80E, but I would have had to go to the Centrepoint showroom to do that. It didn't seem to be worth the excursion for a saving of 10%. Besides, I was already in the process of talking myself into buying the K8. laugh

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Oh, and I bought the K8 this afternoon. Delivery will be on 20 Nov after a test in the showroom against the display unit on 18 Nov.

In between today and my last visit to the showroom Mr Chiu had worked on the showroom unit. What had been an impressive upright was now awesome.

The tone is rich and full-bodied. Dynamic range and projection are great. In fact this piano will debunk the myth that you need a bright piano to cut through a mix (if you play pop/jazz in an ensemble). One of the staff (never got his name) played some boogie woogie and the piano was leaping off the floor.

The financial discomfort of the purchase is going to be worth it!

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Wow leow !! Congrats !! When's the open house for us to meddle your new "baby"?? All my pianos added together, still cannot buy the K8 smile

Can i dig some info from you? How was the K8 placed at the showroom?
1)Fully carpeted?
2)piano place against wall or another piano?
3)false ceiling?
4)Aircon

It always sounds so nice in the showroom. I wish i can stay in one. I had to use a 1 inch fibre foldable matteress and put behind the soundboard to make peace with my neighbours ..... hehehe


now you can sleep well .....


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Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano #83070
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Can i dig some info from you? How was the K8 placed at the showroom?
1)Fully carpeted?
2)piano place against wall or another piano?
3)false ceiling?
4)Aircon
Oh have you never visited Robert Piano's Millenia Walk showroom? It is a huge space but well-damped so the acoustics are OK. Yes there are carpets, false ceiling (could be acoustically treated but I'm not sure) and of course air-conditioning.

The uprights are placed back-to-back. Actually this arrangement is probably necessary so that some sound energy is reflected back to towards the front of the piano. The K8 has tone release ports behind the music rack and under the keyboard. These help the instrument to project better too.

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