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#821295 - 04/19/05 10:11 AM Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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The news that CR is about to close came as something of a surprise to me, and I imagine some of you feel the same way. I had hoped the moderation experiment would have fixed what ails us, but I accept Frank's decision.

I must say, however, that I find the stream of goodbyes and eulogies and suchlike to be quite depressing. And alarming. And unnecessary. We're a *community* at this point. There is no reason whatever that this should change.

I am working on launching a new site that should suit us just fine. It will likely be the UBB format with which we are all familiar. It will have many of the features that we enjoy here. It will have a music/piano discussion section (after all, we share a love of music) and an off-topic section for discussion of whatever interests you. You know, the usual: Politics, religion, and of course, lots and lots of Terry Schiavo! laugh

It will be a site for adults and young people who act like adults. Mature, yet civil and fun. Everyone is welcome to join, and all points of view are welcome, of course.

What it will not have is rudeness, flames, name-calling and trolling. Discussion is fine. Disagreement is fine. Heated discussion is fine. Hot topics are fine. Vile behavior is not fine.

The particulars are still being worked out, but we envision a free trial period of at least a few months. It will then become a non-profit subscription-based site, with the annual subscription fee set to cover operating expenses only. It remains to be seen how much this will be, but I'm guessing it would be $10-$15 per year or less. Very manageable. Two of us will pick up the initial expenses to get going, and as I am a Luddite, any tech advice anyone wants to provide will be much appreciated.

I have enjoyed my time here at PW very much. You are all an amazing group of people, and I think the world of you. I've learned lots, and I hope I've given a little something back. I really, really hope this turn of events doesn't have to be the end. I'll do what I can to make sure of that.

I'll post the address ASAP. I hope I'll see you at this new site. Once I, uh, think of a name for the thing! smile

We already have a mascot, though:

[Linked Image]


Cindy -- thinking Kluurs can find a much better mascot if he sets his mind to it, and posting this with Frank's permission

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#821296 - 04/19/05 10:16 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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Politics, religion, and of course, lots and lots of Terry Schiavo! laugh
<Gasp> I nearly choked to death on my tea... laugh

#821297 - 04/19/05 10:27 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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what about off-color jokes?


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#821298 - 04/19/05 10:39 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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Depends on the color! laugh

#821299 - 04/19/05 11:16 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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I'm there! Sign me up!


Re names.... hmm..

The Well-Tempered Forum?


If you don't talk to your children about equal temperment, who will?
#821300 - 04/19/05 11:16 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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I'm there! Sign me up!


Re names.... hmm..

The Well-Tempered Forum?
Most excellent!

#821301 - 04/19/05 11:22 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

The Well-Tempered Forum.

Color me *stoked!*

#821302 - 04/19/05 11:24 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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do we need 4 new places to meet or one?

there are already about 60 people together... not to compete with Frank's board (as this one seems to want to do), but just as a replacement for the CR.

#821303 - 04/19/05 11:26 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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well.. one will prove to be problem free..I'm talking logistically... I would keep as many options as possible open..


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#821304 - 04/19/05 11:33 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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KB - I see your point, but many of us want one that is an improvement on the CR. Cindy's talking about enforcing a behaviour standard. JGOO and Larry have announced that their boards are CR business-as-usual.


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If you don't talk to your children about equal temperment, who will?
#821305 - 04/19/05 11:36 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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Well, with all due respect have you looked at either?

(I know you have.. but i mean in depth).

I think Larry will let virtually anything fly. I think Jgoo is asking that people keep it civil, and I think that comments about ****ing on burning people's guts will not be tolerated.

Cindy's talking about starting up a whole forum to compete with the PW forums. .... not gonna happen.
Sorry

jgoo's simply giving us all a place to congregate and birth something completely new and fresh. Not a competing site, but something new.
I look forward to it.

#821306 - 04/19/05 11:41 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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I think it's great that there are alternatives. They will sort themselves out in the long run. We don't have to figure it out today.

jf


"Make the pie higher." GWB
#821307 - 04/19/05 11:50 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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If any of the alternative forums prove to be interesting or useful, I , personally, have the stamina to follow more than one.

Doug


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#821308 - 04/19/05 11:51 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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I thought this thread was gonna be about Kenny....?

(I tease cuz I luv).


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#821309 - 04/19/05 11:52 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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I guess I do as well... it's just that I want a replacement for this room... not four.

Jack, I've really grown to like you in the last day and a half. perhaps someday I'll have a chance to tell you why.

#821310 - 04/19/05 11:57 AM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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Cindy -- thinking Kluurs can find a much better mascot if he sets his mind to it,
To borrow from Kermit, it ain't easy being a squirrel.

or if you prefer showtunes, just belt out "I enjoy being a squirrel."

K

#821311 - 04/19/05 12:00 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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KB - Larrys site is still-born. He'll realize that within a few days (or weeks, he's pretty stubborn) and will head over to JGOOs. His cheerleaders are probably already there unpacking their pom-poms.

How long then until it degenerates into what we've seen here? I don't know JGOO at all, but is he really going to reign in Larry's Cherokee-country charm? And how do you suspect Larry will respond if he tries?

I say Jack's right. The internet is big enough for two CR-inspired Fora.


If you don't talk to your children about equal temperment, who will?
#821312 - 04/19/05 12:07 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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The internet is more than big enough.

People are just in for a surprise when they try their hand at admin. I've done it...

I op'd a huge IRC room for a few years, and I know it can be hard to keep something like that alive.

I just know that dividing too much too early kill both halves, and I want everyone to stick together if possible.
But people will go where they choose, that's all.

Let me ask you this, do you think I would let things get out of hand if I had the power to stop them, or do you think i would let it turn into a heck-hole?

#821313 - 04/19/05 12:08 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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I guess I do as well... it's just that I want a replacement for this room... not four.

Jack, I've really grown to like you in the last day and a half. Perhaps someday I'll have a chance to tell you why.
Thanks KB...looking forward to it!

jf

PS....You do know, don't you, that I am a.....[wisper] lawyer [/wisper] don't you?


"Make the pie higher." GWB
#821314 - 04/19/05 12:09 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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actually Larry will probably be cool if certain people aren't around to bug him... just a guess.


I bet many of you newbies would have really liked Larry if not for the political splinters that strewed all the prejudgement infopap which really served to bring out his bluster.


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#821315 - 04/19/05 12:20 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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KB - I'd like to think you'd run a good shop. The problem is, some people may not be reformable, and if you ever threatened to do anything about it you'd get a revolt from the cheerleaders and apologists. QED, above.


You're right, Apple. Larry's a gentleman. He just gets baited by all the really obnoxious people.


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#821316 - 04/19/05 12:33 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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well.. one will prove to be problem free..I'm talking logistically... I would keep as many options as possible open..
I agree. And if they all prove good, we'll never have time to practice. (But anticipating I'll get to "Rhapsody in Blue" sooner than I might like.) :p

#821317 - 04/19/05 12:35 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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actually Larry will probably be cool if certain people aren't around to bug him... just a guess.


I bet many of you newbies would have really liked Larry if not for the political splinters that strewed all the prejudgement infopap which really served to bring out his bluster.
Smart woman. Very smart woman.


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#821318 - 04/19/05 12:45 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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I will follow you anywhere.

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#821319 - 04/19/05 01:08 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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Hey I'm gonna start one too.

Why don't we all just start one?

Really, now I have 3 to follow?

Oh Crap.

Why this competition?
Cindy, what motivated you to start one knowing there are already two.
You are splitting the family up more. frown

How bout Larry, jgoo and Cindy draw straws or lets have a vote or something.

Really this is lame.

Or in 30 days everyone abandon the two with the fewest members.

Or one for the lefties, one for righties.

Some-dam-thing.

I ain't gonna follow 3.
mad

#821320 - 04/19/05 01:13 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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You're right, Apple. Larry's a gentleman. He just gets baited by all the really obnoxious people.
Don't you think it's time to drop it. You're not going to change our minds and we're not going to change yours. Because someone accepts Larry for who he is, does not necessarily mean IMHO that they cheer him on. Some of us like both kathyk and Larry. You choose to look at this very one sidedly. I've seen kathyk get pretty nasty in the past. She can get very feiry and passionate when it comes to politics. I was truly worried for her at the time.

IMHO it's time to drop it. Larry has moved on. Have, at least, a little compassion for the man. He spent a lot of time here.

And, who are you to judge any of us?

It's amazing how you people don't see your superior attitudes. Cindy thinking she can make a better Coffee Room. CSG thinking he can steal us away. You judging us for liking Larry. You who used the term "pimp slapping redneck". Don't you think that was pretty obnoxious? Would you consider that baiting?

The issue's dead. The Coffee Room as we once knew it is dead. Build a new one if you want but, I believe this issue is dead. You people don't like him and he doesn't like you. Dead. Done. Over.

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#821323 - 04/19/05 01:23 PM Re: Great Taste, Less Flaming  
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Frank is evicting us.
So promoting another place to go as a coffee room is fine.

But you are proposing a piano forum that will directly compete with Frank.
I think it is in very poor taste for you to advertise that here.

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