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#81412 - 02/10/08 06:16 PM Hailun pianos  
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I am currently considering purchasing a Hailun 48" upright (Model H-1E). I know little is know about these pianos as of yet, but I am very pleased with the touch and the sound, particularly for the price. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these pianos and if you thought that $3100 was a good price for this instrument (I believe it is a very good price, but again, no experience with this piano).

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#81413 - 02/10/08 06:23 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Assuming the piano is new with full warranty, I think your opinion of the piano and the price are both correct.


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#81414 - 02/10/08 06:33 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Yes, brand new with 15 year warranty.

#81415 - 02/10/08 08:10 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Well it sounds good to me, both the piano and the price, but I'm just a consumer like you and an admitted fan of Hailun. Since the loyal opposition isn't jumping in here laugh , you could enter Hailun in the search function above. There's quite a bit to read, almost all of it favorable.

Here's what a couple of industry members had to say about Hailun's products after seeing them at NAMM.

from Craigen
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I spent some time in the Hailun booth. I played nearly ever instrument there. IMO they are the best playing sounding of all the Chinese instruments.
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I was pretty surprised by the continued increase in quality with the various Chinese pianos available. Hailun was, in my opinion, the most remarkable of the bunch. When I look at these, and ask myself 'would I buy this for my own use'?, I was surprised at my own answer.
As far as I know, neither Craigen nor Jeff sell Hailun pianos.


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#81416 - 02/10/08 09:50 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Thanks. I appreciate the opinions.

#81417 - 02/11/08 03:11 AM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Hailun seems to be amongst the best of the Chinese. Of course, there are longevity and resale value issues, but with a piano this cheap, you can throw it away in 15 years and still come out ahead.

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Hailun seems to be amongst the best of the Chinese.
Have we seen, heard, or played one yet, or is this based on our thoughtful ordering of the 'lower Asians'?

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Of course, there are longevity and resale value issues
But of course. Do we know someone whose Hailun has gotten prematurely old or simply worn out? Have we tried to sell a used one? Do we know someone who has tried to sell a used one? Why would anyone on earth want a used Hailun?

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, but with a piano this cheap, you can throw it away in 15 years and still come out ahead.
Curbside pickup...or just toss in the nearest dumpster?


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#81419 - 02/11/08 05:45 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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sweetkeys:
I'll give you something to think about.
Must of us in this Forum are piano dealers.
Chinese pianos are available in 90% of all piano retailers. Everybody is in the same boat that's why nobody tells you the truth.
Why? Because is easier to sell a cheap piano to an uneducated costumer. In other words because they can take the line of less resistance and still make some good margin.
It is harder to sell a quality product. Why? takes more knowledge and it is also harder for the buyer to justify expending the extra amout of money because they can't see the immediate benefit.
Craigen or Jeff Bauer wouldn't buy ANY of these pianos for their own personal use.
You'll probably buy one piano for the next ten years, buy a quality piano. You wouldn't be sorry.
Rent a piano and get a rental credit later. Only if you cannot afford a quality instrument now.
Good luck.


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#81420 - 02/11/08 07:01 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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I ended up purchasing a Hailun. I was very happy with my experience with it and I have a very tight budget and believe that my salesman truly was trying to make sure I had the best piano for my buck (he also sells used pianos). I'll let you know how it goes!

#81421 - 02/11/08 07:04 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Hailun, Hailun, Oh yes I was the one that has one of those! Thanks to you guys smile I Just recently got the internet back from along waiting period to get broadband. I am very happy with my Hailun piano, It has kept tune VERY well. Could just be because the famous Sally Phillips tuned my piano wink . But I have to give them A+ I love it and my a piano friend Guru wants to come over everyday to practice his music.

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THANK YOU!!
#81422 - 02/11/08 07:07 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Hey M&B,

I knew it was only a matter of time until the loyal opposition arrived here. smile

Two questions for you

(1) Could you share with us your minimum pricepoint for a new piano shopper to obtain what you refer to as a 'quality product'? Perhaps you could supply a couple of specific piano examples to illustrate the threshold of 'quality'.

(2) Are you saying that all the pianos from China are equal, that there are no better than average, average, or less than average pianos from China? I think I recall you saying that you in fact stock a line from China. Is there any particular reason you chose that line or was it random because one's as bad as the next?


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#81423 - 02/11/08 08:10 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Sure! IMO the average price range to get a decent upright starts at $6,000.00

I had several lines of Chinese stuff, every year I've changed. Palatino, Samick, Story&Clark, Hardman, etc. Perhaps you can prep them and one is better than the other but in the long run they all boxes with keys. Including the K-15 and K-2.
Plus also when you sell good stuff you don't have to lie and spin. You know! German this, German that, Scale design by Mr. BJstein. etc.
But I'm preaching to the choir. Who is going to really ask for Hailun? laugh I realized sweetkeys is a phony that came here to put the name of Hailun out there. Just like they do with the Brodmann.


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#81424 - 02/11/08 08:38 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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By the way Turandot I guess Craigen let you down in this thread.
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/21057.html#000007

OH! Probably he forgot about Hailun laugh


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#81425 - 02/11/08 09:16 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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My goodness, M&B. I thought I was an avid reader. It seems you have discovered that the roots of sweetkeys' Hailun interest run deep.

So let me get this straight. Sweetkeys is a dealer selling Hailun who has gone undercover posing as a customer who wants to buy a Hailun.

M&B is a dealer who has gone undercover in terms of exact industry affiliation to fight against the corruption and greed of fellow retailers.

Craigen is a tech who is pandering to the evil dealer establishment.

Jeff Bauer is a dealer who wishes to endorse Hailun so that he can sell fewer of his own T118 inventory.

Have I got it right?
Am I the only one not in costume? laugh

Anyway, thanks for your answer to the question about pricepoint. I guess you're thinking U1 and K3. Is that about it would you say?
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#81426 - 02/11/08 09:51 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Wait a second! I just brought up Jeff and Craigen because YOU quoted them in order to support your opinion about Hailun.
Look man! I don't post for the people of the forum to love me. For love I have a beautiful wife and kids.
I say it how it is.
If Jeff like the development in Chinese pianos, I simply don't care.

--------This section of the thread has been deleted as requested by Craigen and the moderator----------------------------------------

In regard to the K-3 and U-1. IMO the K-3 is a good value and the Yamaha U-1 is a slightly better built. Ha! but not much! wink

The K-5 is what I'll call a solid reasonably priced piano.

I believe you are not in the industry so I'll take my time to spell it for you. I personally know Reps. and dealers who had told me they come here with phony names just to create some hype of their product. I don't think you are that naive.


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#81427 - 02/11/08 10:36 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Wait a second! I just brought up Jeff and Craigen because YOU quoted them in order to support your opinion about Hailun.
Look man! I don't post for the people of the forum to love me. For love I have a beautiful wife and kids.
I say it how it is.
I quoted Jeff and Craigen because no one was responding to sweetkeys except me. I think everyone else was busy posting under pseudonyms or entering new identities in the member base. laugh

Don't get in a lather M&B. Personally I enjoy your posts. I don't know if you say it how it is, but you sure as heck say it how you think it is, and you leave no room for misinterpretation. laugh

Let me draw you out a little more about these pianos at the threshold of 'quality'. You've established Yamaha and Kawai models that meet your standards. How 'bout them Petrof's? Worth it for a retailer to hang with them through the tough times? Worthy of consumer consideration alongside the Yamaha's and Kawai's you mentioned?


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#81428 - 02/11/08 10:52 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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FYI, I am no phony. I am a twenty-something mother of 2 with a bachelor's degree in music, emphasis in piano performance. I also teach as well as play. I personally am excited about this piano. Sorry I don't have the money to dish out on a "quality" piano. Guess I figured there are more important things in life.

#81429 - 02/11/08 11:24 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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I have reported M&B's repeated personal attacks to the moderator.

I never mind taking heat for my opinions and am not shy about criticism. I give as well as I get. I will not tollerate personal attacks that have nothing to do with the argument.

I have been tapping into this forum since 2005. In all those months I have averaged 43 posts per month. There are several working techs, that frequent this forum, that are more frequent posters who maintain viable businesses.

M&B shows that he is a dealer for Kawai. How proud they must be to read he equates their K15 and K2 with the Chinese pianos as a "box with keys." Prouder still for them to read his opinion that the Yamaha U1 is "better built" than the Kawai K3.

My comments regarding Hailun were that they were the best playing, best sounding of the Chinese pianos. I still stand by the statement. I do not find it contradictory to any other I have made on this forum. I have never worked on a Hailun and have no experience with their serviceability or durability. I never recommended them to anyone. I never said I would own one either.


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#81430 - 02/11/08 11:35 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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I personally am excited about this piano. Sorry I don't have the money to dish out on a "quality" piano. Guess I figured there are more important things in life.
Sweetkeys, don't listen to the criticism above. You now HAVE a quality piano. I would love to find a Hailun upright to try--have played their 5'10" grand, and it was really, really nice. Better than name brand grands at twice the price.

You no longer have to spend a fortune to get a great piano.

Congrats on your new addition! smile


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#81431 - 02/12/08 12:10 AM Re: Hailun pianos  
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As best I can remember, all sweetkeys did was ask for an opinion of a specfic Hailun piano at a specific price. That opinion should be the same whatever sweetkey's identity is. The opinion asked was of the piano, not the poster. If the paranoia among dealers here has reached the extremes that M&B describes. that's a completely different matter than Hailun's pianos.

Hailun sits very low on the totem pole of makers who make extravagant claims about their products. Its pianos also bear the maker's name on the fallboard. There's no phony German heritage in play. If the truth is told, I'm sure that Hailun sells more parts to non-Chinese makers than they buy from non-Chinese makers.

If a U1 were the same price as a Hailun 48", U1 might clobber Hailun in the marketplace. But then again, it might not. But the fact is a U1 is twice the price. The difference in price can be a significant consideration for a lot of people.

If piano retail cannot get behind its entry-level products and adopt what Journey has referred to as a 'pull' strategy that attracts first-time buyers, insisting instead on pushing itself down their throats relegating them to digitals or used pianos, it won't matter whether sweetkeys is a consumer or a retailer.


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#81432 - 02/12/08 12:22 AM Re: Hailun pianos  
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#81433 - 02/12/08 01:38 AM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Originally posted by sweetkeys:
I ended up purchasing a Hailun. I was very happy with my experience with it and I have a very tight budget and believe that my salesman truly was trying to make sure I had the best piano for my buck (he also sells used pianos). I'll let you know how it goes!
Sweetkeys,
Congrats on the new piano! I know some of the people at Hailun, and also have played the pianos myself. You made a great decision!!

I hope you have many years of enjoyment! thumb

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Thank you everyone for your support! I am looking forward to getting my baby tuned so I can really test it out!

#81435 - 02/12/08 01:12 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Thank you everyone for your support! I am looking forward to getting my baby tuned so I can really test it out!
Ok I don't get it! Was it in tune at the show-room or not? or Didn't you test it out at the store? You probably should've tested before buying it. laugh

Just kidding! Don't mind me. If you are not a phony enjoy your piano thumb


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#81436 - 02/12/08 03:39 PM Re: Hailun pianos  
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Regarding the pricing of your new Hailun, the retail price they sell the H1 in China for is $3,202.45 according to today's currency conversion rate. You can see it at the link below.

http://www.hailunpiano.com/class.asp?lx=small&anid=32&nid=264

This is also their new line. So you got the latest and greatest from Hailun. And yes, I'm jealous. As I've been trying to figure out how to get one here in Thailand. Looks like I will have to import it myself. Which I am working on at the moment. How about sending in some photos of it? I'd like to see! Thanks.

Enjoy!

Stephen

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[b]Thank you everyone for your support! I am looking forward to getting my baby tuned so I can really test it out!
Ok I don't get it! Was it in tune at the show-room or not? or Didn't you test it out at the store? You probably should've tested before buying it. laugh

Just kidding! Don't mind me. If you are not a phony enjoy your piano thumb [/b]
Call me crazy, but last I checked, moving a piano more than 70 miles in the cold with other stops to deliver other pianos might just have an effect on the tuning.

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Probably not if it is wrapped well. It just as likely not going to be tuned yet anyway.


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Hi Sweetkeys,

Congratulations on your new piano! I second the motion about posting pictures!

On another note, you’ve gotten a good taste of what the PW forums can be like. PW is educational, entertaining and fun, and it is a real asset to the piano buying (and playing laugh ) public; however, it can get a little contentious at times eek .

The piano business must be a really intensely competitive business to make some in the business so rude and abrasive unless you buy a piano from them. Oh yea, I forgot that some of them really don’t care if you love them or not; they have someone else to do that.

Enjoy you new Hailun!

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The "Piano Book" (best investment so far in my quest to spend lots of $ on a new piano), has the Hailun in group 4C... Which as already mentioned is not very high on the pole.

Interesting reading for a piano owner / adult beginner player / future NEW piano owner. Almost like... there's more to just owning a piano or wanting to for the pure personal enjoyment. I see "status symbols" about in the shape of pianos, I sense "class status" and the like.

Here's my spin. I'm 51 year old, will spend up to $10K on a new vertical (no room for a grand) on ANY model or make that appeals to MY eyes, MY ears and My fingertips.

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The "Piano Book" (best investment so far in my quest to spend lots of $ on a new piano), has the Hailun in group 4C... Which as already mentioned is not very high on the pole.
Well I was the one who made the reference to Hailun sitting low on the totem pole, but I was speaking of low in a good sense, low in hyping up phony German heritage through an acquired stencil name and marketing sleight of hand. I think if you were to play a Hailun, you might actually disagree with Fine's very low rating, same would be true of a Steigerman premium which is a member of the Hailun family as well.

When you mention up to 10k and not based on status or class, I think you might want to try a Seiler 122. The list price is far over your 10k figure, but I think on the West Coast you could easily buy one for under it. Seiler verticals have a neutral tone and a very responsive action.


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