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I am currently considering purchasing a Hailun 48" upright (Model H-1E). I know little is know about these pianos as of yet, but I am very pleased with the touch and the sound, particularly for the price. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these pianos and if you thought that $3100 was a good price for this instrument (I believe it is a very good price, but again, no experience with this piano).

Assuming the piano is new with full warranty, I think your opinion of the piano and the price are both correct.

Yes, brand new with 15 year warranty.

Well it sounds good to me, both the piano and the price, but I'm just a consumer like you and an admitted fan of Hailun. Since the loyal opposition isn't jumping in here , you could enter Hailun in the search function above. There's quite a bit to read, almost all of it favorable.

Here's what a couple of industry members had to say about Hailun's products after seeing them at NAMM.

from Craigen from Jeff Bauer
As far as I know, neither Craigen nor Jeff sell Hailun pianos.

Thanks. I appreciate the opinions.

Hailun seems to be amongst the best of the Chinese. Of course, there are longevity and resale value issues, but with a piano this cheap, you can throw it away in 15 years and still come out ahead.

Have we seen, heard, or played one yet, or is this based on our thoughtful ordering of the 'lower Asians'?

But of course. Do we know someone whose Hailun has gotten prematurely old or simply worn out? Have we tried to sell a used one? Do we know someone who has tried to sell a used one? Why would anyone on earth want a used Hailun?

Curbside pickup...or just toss in the nearest dumpster?

sweetkeys:
I'll give you something to think about.
Must of us in this Forum are piano dealers.
Chinese pianos are available in 90% of all piano retailers. Everybody is in the same boat that's why nobody tells you the truth.
Why? Because is easier to sell a cheap piano to an uneducated costumer. In other words because they can take the line of less resistance and still make some good margin.
It is harder to sell a quality product. Why? takes more knowledge and it is also harder for the buyer to justify expending the extra amout of money because they can't see the immediate benefit.
Craigen or Jeff Bauer wouldn't buy ANY of these pianos for their own personal use.
You'll probably buy one piano for the next ten years, buy a quality piano. You wouldn't be sorry.
Rent a piano and get a rental credit later. Only if you cannot afford a quality instrument now.
Good luck.

I ended up purchasing a Hailun. I was very happy with my experience with it and I have a very tight budget and believe that my salesman truly was trying to make sure I had the best piano for my buck (he also sells used pianos). I'll let you know how it goes!

Hailun, Hailun, Oh yes I was the one that has one of those! Thanks to you guys I Just recently got the internet back from along waiting period to get broadband. I am very happy with my Hailun piano, It has kept tune VERY well. Could just be because the famous Sally Phillips tuned my piano . But I have to give them A+ I love it and my a piano friend Guru wants to come over everyday to practice his music.

Thanks

Hey M&B,

I knew it was only a matter of time until the loyal opposition arrived here.

Two questions for you

(1) Could you share with us your minimum pricepoint for a new piano shopper to obtain what you refer to as a 'quality product'? Perhaps you could supply a couple of specific piano examples to illustrate the threshold of 'quality'.

(2) Are you saying that all the pianos from China are equal, that there are no better than average, average, or less than average pianos from China? I think I recall you saying that you in fact stock a line from China. Is there any particular reason you chose that line or was it random because one's as bad as the next?

Sure! IMO the average price range to get a decent upright starts at $6,000.00

I had several lines of Chinese stuff, every year I've changed. Palatino, Samick, Story&Clark, Hardman, etc. Perhaps you can prep them and one is better than the other but in the long run they all boxes with keys. Including the K-15 and K-2.
Plus also when you sell good stuff you don't have to lie and spin. You know! German this, German that, Scale design by Mr. BJstein. etc.
But I'm preaching to the choir. Who is going to really ask for Hailun? I realized sweetkeys is a phony that came here to put the name of Hailun out there. Just like they do with the Brodmann.

By the way Turandot I guess Craigen let you down in this thread.
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/21057.html#000007

OH! Probably he forgot about Hailun

My goodness, M&B. I thought I was an avid reader. It seems you have discovered that the roots of sweetkeys' Hailun interest run deep.

So let me get this straight. Sweetkeys is a dealer selling Hailun who has gone undercover posing as a customer who wants to buy a Hailun.

M&B is a dealer who has gone undercover in terms of exact industry affiliation to fight against the corruption and greed of fellow retailers.

Craigen is a tech who is pandering to the evil dealer establishment.

Jeff Bauer is a dealer who wishes to endorse Hailun so that he can sell fewer of his own T118 inventory.

Have I got it right?
Am I the only one not in costume?

Anyway, thanks for your answer to the question about pricepoint. I guess you're thinking U1 and K3. Is that about it would you say?

Wait a second! I just brought up Jeff and Craigen because YOU quoted them in order to support your opinion about Hailun.
Look man! I don't post for the people of the forum to love me. For love I have a beautiful wife and kids.
I say it how it is.
If Jeff like the development in Chinese pianos, I simply don't care.

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In regard to the K-3 and U-1. IMO the K-3 is a good value and the Yamaha U-1 is a slightly better built. Ha! but not much!

The K-5 is what I'll call a solid reasonably priced piano.

I believe you are not in the industry so I'll take my time to spell it for you. I personally know Reps. and dealers who had told me they come here with phony names just to create some hype of their product. I don't think you are that naive.

I quoted Jeff and Craigen because no one was responding to sweetkeys except me. I think everyone else was busy posting under pseudonyms or entering new identities in the member base.

Don't get in a lather M&B. Personally I enjoy your posts. I don't know if you say it how it is, but you sure as heck say it how you think it is, and you leave no room for misinterpretation.

Let me draw you out a little more about these pianos at the threshold of 'quality'. You've established Yamaha and Kawai models that meet your standards. How 'bout them Petrof's? Worth it for a retailer to hang with them through the tough times? Worthy of consumer consideration alongside the Yamaha's and Kawai's you mentioned?

FYI, I am no phony. I am a twenty-something mother of 2 with a bachelor's degree in music, emphasis in piano performance. I also teach as well as play. I personally am excited about this piano. Sorry I don't have the money to dish out on a "quality" piano. Guess I figured there are more important things in life.

I have reported M&B's repeated personal attacks to the moderator.

I never mind taking heat for my opinions and am not shy about criticism. I give as well as I get. I will not tollerate personal attacks that have nothing to do with the argument.

I have been tapping into this forum since 2005. In all those months I have averaged 43 posts per month. There are several working techs, that frequent this forum, that are more frequent posters who maintain viable businesses.

M&B shows that he is a dealer for Kawai. How proud they must be to read he equates their K15 and K2 with the Chinese pianos as a "box with keys." Prouder still for them to read his opinion that the Yamaha U1 is "better built" than the Kawai K3.

My comments regarding Hailun were that they were the best playing, best sounding of the Chinese pianos. I still stand by the statement. I do not find it contradictory to any other I have made on this forum. I have never worked on a Hailun and have no experience with their serviceability or durability. I never recommended them to anyone. I never said I would own one either.

Sweetkeys, don't listen to the criticism above. You now HAVE a quality piano. I would love to find a Hailun upright to try--have played their 5'10" grand, and it was really, really nice. Better than name brand grands at twice the price.

You no longer have to spend a fortune to get a great piano.

Congrats on your new addition!

As best I can remember, all sweetkeys did was ask for an opinion of a specfic Hailun piano at a specific price. That opinion should be the same whatever sweetkey's identity is. The opinion asked was of the piano, not the poster. If the paranoia among dealers here has reached the extremes that M&B describes. that's a completely different matter than Hailun's pianos.

Hailun sits very low on the totem pole of makers who make extravagant claims about their products. Its pianos also bear the maker's name on the fallboard. There's no phony German heritage in play. If the truth is told, I'm sure that Hailun sells more parts to non-Chinese makers than they buy from non-Chinese makers.

If a U1 were the same price as a Hailun 48", U1 might clobber Hailun in the marketplace. But then again, it might not. But the fact is a U1 is twice the price. The difference in price can be a significant consideration for a lot of people.

If piano retail cannot get behind its entry-level products and adopt what Journey has referred to as a 'pull' strategy that attracts first-time buyers, insisting instead on pushing itself down their throats relegating them to digitals or used pianos, it won't matter whether sweetkeys is a consumer or a retailer.