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Congrats on your new piano!!!
I like that deep glossy finish.

Thanks LisztAddict! How did you do that?

RE: PIANO BOOK
Please see other recent posts on PW as to why we musnt keep referring to this book as an unbiased and trusted source of piano information.

That's interesting.

We're selling these pianos as fast as they come - with and without *lit*

Bu always with *lid*.

Norbert

Hi Kenny,

I just noticed that you have added Hailun to your brand line-up. Doesn’t that contradict everything you’ve ever said about Chinese made pianos?

Regards,

Rickster

Great pianos at a great value. Some people saw this years ago, and some are just now finding out.

But that's not what people want.

Most are adoring *good* pianos of inceasingly *poor value*.....

Norbert

The reviews of the Hailun pianos at the NAMM show were good. I would go on that basis if you haven't actually played one. The great Larry Fine book may not be that up to date in regards to the latest offerings from Hailun.

I will chime-in here even though the topic is about Hailun Pianos, they are the factory which manufactures the Steigerman Premium line. Here are excerpts from a letter Larry Fine wrote to me regarding this matter:

Larry originally printed a rating in The Piano Book regarding the Steigerman pianos as he thought he was doing me a favor since the Premium line was recently introduced and that having the line mentioned in his book would give it some credence. At the time he was not aware of how a rating which is less than we would desire and less than our line deserves (in our opinion) might be used by competitors to beat-up on our brand.

I print this letter not only to defend the quality and “rating” of the Hailun and Steigerman Premium pianos but also because I think it speaks volumes about Larry’s character and integrity.

Dino:

Well said!

Some of our friendly competition will now have to backpeddle in a great hurry as this was something they constantly used against us.

Interestingly enough, our own appreciating customers for this piano always had shared a very different opionion themselves.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/15611.html

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/1/18399.html

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Norbert

Norbert,

Any person who had purchased something recently they need to reassure they made the right choice. In occasions they will reinforce their decision sometimes by writing about how satisfied they are. This is human nature. I'm sure all dealers here have similar posts or letters from their customers.
It will be more interesting to know about those who didn't like your product or yourself. Those who bought from the competition. Then we all learn something.
I enjoyed reading your posts but recently you are not contributing. You are only looking for chances to plug your brands or business. Come ‘on ! You know better than that get back in track.

Not in the context of Dino's above post.

Read again and you will see the very point I'm making, it's got nothing to do with 'plugging' - Steigerman Premium as well as all our other makes, can stand nicely on their own!

P.S. Any of your own customers by chance ever writing here?

Norbert

If, as it appears, that the Hailun is rated as 4A by Larry Fine, then I will have to change my opinion. This would make Hailun one of the better Chinese, but still not quite up to the standard grade Japanese (Yahama, Kawai). It seems that Perzina (also a Chinese) is rated higher.

With that said, it seems that for the low price that Hailun is being offered, that it would be a best of breed. Certainly, Hailun seems to be better than the standard low quality Chinese brand.

The truth is in each our hands and ears. Go play one and see for yourself. The fact that it is better than the average Chinese piano is not necessarily a ringing endorsement.

Has anyone seen one of Hailuns brochures? I visited The factory last October, and I was more than impressed with the technology and machinery that is being used (Japanese and German). They are now using Hailun in one of the top Vianise concert halls, The first time ever for a chinese piano. Bearing in mind they have only been producing for 6 or 7 years. They have several top technicians and designers from Germany America and Japan pointing them in the right direction.
I work for a company in Australia that imports them with the Bernstein brand name, And have been for about 3 years. every container load is better than the one before.
Just a bit of food for thought, I hope this sheds a bit of light.

regards Dave
( Tuner tech 35 years)

Hi Dave,

I've never seen a brochure, although I've played several of the pianos, and liked them a lot. I don't even know if they had brochures at the shop where I played them. The sales presentation there was very low-key.

I'm interested in your personal connection to the Bernstein fallboard name. Does Bernstein distribute to independent Australian retailers or does it have its own retail locations? I'm curious because in the South Asia market there seems to be a big overlap in the availablility of Hailun pianos. For example, I've read in this forum that Hailun, W&L, Bernstein, and Wagner can all be found in Singapore. In the US we had availability almost exclusively through the upgraded Steigerman Premiums that Dino described. That was basically on the East and West Coast. Now we have HailunUSA filling out a dealer network in all regions and competing pretty aggressively on price. Very recently, I saw a retailer website where the only new piano line represented was Wagner, but I have no idea if that's the Hailun-built Wagner that is sold in Asia. (Dino, please correct me if I've got it wrong here.)

Dave, are Hailun pianos under different brands competing against each other in Australia?

Mikhailoh,

I agree with you that endorsing a piano becauase it may be 4a is as silly as berating it because it's been labelled 4c. But I'm afraid your sensible approach of playing the pianos before commenting on them may fall on deaf ears when you address them to a member who insists on painting by the numbers.

From malcoml1

Yes there is one - a very nice one - that says a lot about their technology. Unfortunately the only link I can provide is in French and was published by a Wendl & Lung dealer network in France/Switserland:

http://www.lesmaitresdupiano.net/w&l.pdf

The brand name connections (Hailun, Wendl & Lung, Steigerman Premium, Bernstein) is ever more becoming a mystery to me as apparently is also for turandot, especially in those markets (e.g. U.S.) where two brands (Steigerman Premium/Hailun) are competing on price, Steigerman charging a price premium of +/- 20% based on some cabinet differences and Renner hammers only?

schwammerl.

schwammerl,

I was at a dealer around Anaheim recently that carries Steigerman Premium and saw 2 same model uprights and one had Renner with red under felt and the other did not.
When I asked the dealer he said Steigerman has dropped Renner hammers (at least from uprights?) due to cost.They need to lower their cost.

Do they give dealers an option on parts reflective of cost?
I don't know.
Does that mean a consumer must now go into every detail to "see" what they are paying for?
Maybe.