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#791154 - 06/02/02 04:06 PM Re: Coupla Interesting News Items
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Registered: 01/19/02
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Loc: Oklahoma City
Originally posted by playerpiano9:

If we handle things they way I think they should be handled -- only allowed in because a busienss has specifcially asked for them or to do work we don't want to do -- we do not need to worry about citizenship. As long as the business needs them, they can stay. But no change of jobs. If they are not a decent or valuable employee and get laid off from the job they have or don't like it, they go home and start over again.

As far as deporting spouses, of course we do not deport American citizens. But we should deport the spouse that is not the citizen. The American citizen can then decide if being married to a foreigner is worthwhile enough to leave with them or divorce and find an American spouse.

There are simply too many cunning foreigners sneaking in by marrying American citizens -- or getting here on a student visa or something like that and then finding an unsuspecting American to marry.

If foreinners realize that they do not get a free ride just by marrying an American, they will stop this foolishness And if Americans realize that brining a foreigner here creates additional complications, they will think twice.[/b]
You have now managed to cross over from merely offensive to downright insulting. I have nothing further to discuss with you. I suppose next we will be hearing about lebensraum.
Better to light one small candle than to curse the %&#$@#! darkness.

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#791155 - 06/02/02 08:02 PM Re: Coupla Interesting News Items
Derick Offline
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Registered: 01/03/02
Posts: 3290
Loc: New York

I thought some insensitive things were said to me on this forum, but what you said to JBryan takes the cake.

Have you ever noticed how many American citizens would prefer to sit on the front porch all day long and collect welfare and food stamps rather than go to work? If it were up to me, I'd deport these American citizens long before I'd deport most illegal (or legal), aliens.

Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.

#791156 - 06/02/02 08:08 PM Re: Coupla Interesting News Items
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#791157 - 06/02/02 08:17 PM Re: Coupla Interesting News Items
JBryan Offline
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Registered: 01/19/02
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B. Alden,

I WAS kidding. Or at least engaging in some gentle ribbing. ;\)
Better to light one small candle than to curse the %&#$@#! darkness.

#791158 - 06/03/02 01:48 AM Re: Coupla Interesting News Items


I think you need to do a little research into the benefits of immigration to the growth, development and success of this country since its inception. I think also you need to check with all of the different research studies which show that in almost every way, immigrants add more to this economy than they take out.

Your "solution" makes no sense whatsoever. And I certainly hope your comment was not directly aimed at JBryan's wife.

#791159 - 06/03/02 09:23 AM Re: Coupla Interesting News Items
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Registered: 05/21/02
Posts: 89
Loc: Belmont, CA
Originally posted by JBryan:
You have now managed to cross over from merely offensive to downright insulting. I have nothing further to discuss with you. I suppose next we will be hearing about lebensraum.[/b]
JBryan, I apologize if I offended you. I did not mean to. This was not aimed at you and your wife. I was discussing the broad outlines of a public policy towards immigration, not your specific situation. Discussions of broad policies needed to protect this country often sound cold and heartless when applied to specific situations. Apparently this is how you took my comments. They were not meant to speak to your specific situation. I am sorry.

I believe there are large numbers of immigrants who take advantage of our immigration laws, from Mexican women who cross the border by the 1000's each year when they go into labor to have their children born as American citizens, to students who overstay their student visa's to men and women who marry an American citizen to either get into or remain in the United States.

I believe we should focus all immigration on what is economically beneficial to America and not spend a lot of time on personal circumstances. It is trying to assuage each person's situation that gets us into trouble. Adding certain negative consequences to behaviors which exploit our immigration laws will help resolve the problem.

Again, I apologize if you feel I was taking aim at you and your wife. I was not.
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#791160 - 06/03/02 09:26 AM Re: Coupla Interesting News Items
lb Offline
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Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 1731
Loc: Indiana
I think we have enough people here now. I don't think we need any more, but we should upgrade our present inventory.

On 9/11 I was in the Czech Republic, and the outpouring there of sympathy and support for America was amazing. In the couple of months after 9/11, I was in Poland, Rumania, Croatia, and China. This support for America was very prevalent there also. I saw shrines in each of these countries dedicated to the 9/11 disasters. I saw citizens of these countries bringing flowers to these shrines, praying, and crying, for the United States. There were soldiers in the military of these countries, even China, that volunteered to go to Afghanistan to support the U.S. operation.

While in the United States I read articles, like the one by Susan Sontag, that said the terrorist were brave men that died for a just cause and that our military are cowards because we fight from safety with long range weapons. There were even a couple posters on this forum that supported Susan Sontag's opinion. For those of you that have never heard of Susan Sontag, she was one of our personalities that went to Hanoi in the sixties to support North Vietnam against the U.S.. I saw on TV protests about the U.S. taking military action against the terrorist. I have listened to individuals that criticized our government, military, justice system, and religion, and have done so by their own admission for 35 years.

I would be glad to have the average Czech, Pole, Croat, Rumanian, or Chinese, for my neighbor. I think that we should keep our doors selectively open and allow these people the opportunity to come here. But for every one we allow in we should export one of our anti-American citizens. The problem is I don't know of any country that would accept them.


#791161 - 06/03/02 09:52 AM Re: Coupla Interesting News Items
JBryan Offline
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Registered: 01/19/02
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Loc: Oklahoma City

I took offense to your remarks because it was not clear to me that you were not including my wife in your generalization of foreign spouses of US citizens. You say that was not your intention and I will take your word for that. Apology accepted. Consider the matter forgotten.
Better to light one small candle than to curse the %&#$@#! darkness.

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