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#756276 - 12/21/04 09:38 PM Re: Ethical?  
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[b] I'm Egon. Anybody have a problem with that? laugh
That point was made 6 minutes earlier in the
Dark Side. laugh [/b]
That the point made by Chick Grand?

Then he da man! Nice deducing on his part.

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#756277 - 12/21/04 09:43 PM Re: Ethical?  
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OK, Larry, Tom has insisted that he is the one who posted on the other forum (in what I would consider a great imitation of you) and therefore i apologize to you for my previous posts. Apparentely I was wrong and I know I came on strong. Sorry.

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#756278 - 12/21/04 09:44 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Okay, you two, kiss and make up.

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....and I would ask all of you to leave us alone wherever we go....

Thanks,

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#756280 - 12/21/04 09:45 PM Re: Ethical?  
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....and I would ask all of you to leave us alone wherever we go....

Thanks,

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i guess I'll go unintroduce myself on the other side. :rolleyes:


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#756281 - 12/21/04 09:46 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Sheesh! Am I the only one who hasn't posted there? wink

#756282 - 12/21/04 09:52 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Friday, I wasn't bothering anyone. This thread started by leading me to believe that someone was collecting members' emails and emailing them in a concerted effort to get people to leave the forums. I made it clear from the beginning that I didn't care who posted where, that I had no problem with people telling others about another site, that I had no problem with *any* of that, but that I *did* have a problem if someone was trying to do harm in the process of it. As the thread mushroomed out of control, I ended up being attacked by Jack. I defended myself. Now, Jack has had to admit he was wrong, after calling me every name in the book. This isn't a case of *me* leaving them alone, it's a case of Jack leaving *me* alone. He attacked me, not the other way around.


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#756283 - 12/21/04 09:55 PM Re: Ethical?  
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[b] ....and I would ask all of you to leave us alone wherever we go....

Thanks,

jf
i guess I'll go unintroduce myself on the other side. :rolleyes: [/b]
Shelby? Hey, you are welcome as you if you are not stalking us....

jf


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#756284 - 12/21/04 09:56 PM Re: Ethical?  
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OK, Larry, Tom has insisted that he is the one who posted on the other forum (in what I would consider a great imitation of you) and therefore i apologize to you for my previous posts. Apparentely I was wrong and I know I came on strong. Sorry.

jf
Didn't know you two would have such a "have at it" and I did't read the forum or I would have come clean much sooner and resolved a lot of problems.

Well, Larry I guess it would have been totally wrong and bad of you to have written that post, but it was all fine and good for me to do so.

Such is life.

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#756285 - 12/21/04 09:56 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Friday, I wasn't bothering anyone. This thread started by leading me to believe that someone was collecting members' emails and emailing them in a concerted effort to get people to leave the forums. I made it clear from the beginning that I didn't care who posted where, that I had no problem with people telling others about another site, that I had no problem with *any* of that, but that I *did* have a problem if someone was trying to do harm in the process of it. As the thread mushroomed out of control, I ended up being attacked by Jack. I defended myself. Now, Jack has had to admit he was wrong, after calling me every name in the book. This isn't a case of *me* leaving them alone, it's a case of Jack leaving *me* alone. He attacked me, not the other way around.
Come on Larry, i said i was sorry. What do you want? A medal?

jf


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#756286 - 12/21/04 10:06 PM Re: Ethical?  
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You know, you all should have gone to bed about 4 pages ago. Paranoia from all sides. Sheesh. That was ugly with a capital U.

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#756287 - 12/21/04 10:08 PM Re: Ethical?  
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I know that.

But I also know that you can "handle it". I'm not sure if The Others could handle it; isn't that why they left?

BTW, The Housebound just now told me that you should have gone over there and kicked some....
:rolleyes:


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#756288 - 12/21/04 10:10 PM Re: Ethical?  
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BTW, The Housebound just now told me that you should have gone over there and kicked some....

laugh Tell the housebound I like how he thinks.... wink


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#756289 - 12/21/04 10:14 PM Re: Ethical?  
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#756290 - 12/21/04 10:16 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Oh really...tell us what that would accomplish.......


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#756291 - 12/21/04 10:23 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Larry, I apologize if I caused you any discomfort. I NEVER meant to keep my identity as a secret, much less have you blamed for my (mis) deeds just a little joke at most.

Sorry, for any problem.

Tom

#756292 - 12/21/04 10:25 PM Re: Ethical?  
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No problem, Tom. You know Jack.... he has a real "nose" for smoking out those sockpuppets..... wink


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#756293 - 12/21/04 10:27 PM Re: Ethical?  
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jack, don't start in again. let this go.

tom, please go back over there and delete your post and the links. thank you.

is it clear now that there was no illegitimate effort on the part of anyone to spirit away PW members to another forum? yes? good. case closed.

those of you who like it here and want to stay here should do so.

those people who prefer it over there and want to enjoy posting there without being harassed, hounded, or stalked should be allowed to do so.

i didn't think things could get any uglier on PW than they have in recent weeks, but this is the worst i've seen.

people who are unhappy here have found a place they want to go. let them go. and leave them alone.


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#756294 - 12/21/04 10:30 PM Re: Ethical?  
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those people who prefer it over there and want to enjoy posting there without being harassed, hounded, or stalked should be allowed to do so.

Then get over there and quit harassing, hounding, and stalking here.


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#756295 - 12/21/04 10:32 PM Re: Ethical?  
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#756296 - 12/21/04 10:34 PM Re: Ethical?  
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I go where I please, when I please.
But everyone else is not allowed, is that it?

Funny that you think you can come here "where you please and when you please", and demand someone remove their posts, then go back over there and demand others "leave you alone". Sad however, that you don't see the hypocrisy of it.


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#756297 - 12/21/04 10:41 PM Re: Ethical?  
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tom, please go back over there and delete your post and the links. thank you.
Yes, dear. smile

#756298 - 12/21/04 10:45 PM Re: Ethical?  
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If you do that Tom, *then* I'll have a problem..... laugh


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#756299 - 12/21/04 11:06 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Larry every body saw it. I made my point. And further: Jack ain't a bad guy. As a matter of fact, he's a pretty good guy. Everytime I (and mabe we) take aim at kathy, he steps up and takes the arrow through his heart for her.

I may not agree with him but I admire his love and dedicatiom to his wife. He can't be faulted there. I hope that if I were in the same situation, I would be the kind of man he is.

Jack, tough guy that you are, I think I hurt you; and tough guy that I am, I'm sorry I made that hurt.

Tom

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#756300 - 12/22/04 06:05 AM Re: Ethical?  
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Larry.

Dear, dear Lary.

Please leave them alone.
Can I just second this?

The people on that other board have done *nothing* to deserve any trouble. As best I can tell, they are quite nice and welcoming, and they all get along well.

Already, Larry has posted twice there. First, he claimed he was posting just to establish his IP address. Fine. I can't help but wonder if there wasn't an ulterior motive, though. After all, if one simply wanted to register and post once to establish an IP address, this could be done with an innocuous post about the weather.

But no. Larry's post called the newly arriving PW members names and imported the stench from here over there (italics mine).


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LarryF:

Hello. This is my very first post to your forums. Let me start by saying it is not my intention of disrupting your forums, nor do I plan to post any other posts after this. I didn't even intend to post this one, but have been forced to do so out of necessity.

Let me explain. Several of the folks who have started posting here who came from Piano World are fine people. Jodi is as nice as she can be. Nina is nice too. A few however are arrogant snobs, self absorbed individuals who think they can do no wrong, and who, over time, will end up creating the same stench here that they created there. It is because of one of these arrogant, self absorbed know it all snobs that I find myself having to come here and post, in order that your moderator can have my ISP identity available to compare with another poster in this thread who goes by Egon something or other.

It seems that Jack Appleseed is convinced that this Egon fellow is me, trying to post links that, in his words, "portray him and his wife Athykay in a bad light". I don't have to portray them in a bad light. They do that quite well all by themselves, and in time, in my opinion they'll do it here too.

I'm not this Egon fellow, and I would appreciate it if the moderator would be so kind as to compare our ISP identities and acknowledge this publicly so Appleseed will shut up about it.

Thank you, I'm sorry for the intrusion, but I had to prove to Mr. Applesauce that I am *not* Egon whatever his name is.


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Minutes after declaring he would not post again, we got this delightful exchange:

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AliceOliver:

Fine. Now will those of you who prefer things as they are at PW please return there and enjoy it and leave the rest of us in peace?

Larry F:

Funny, I was just thinking the same about you.


Now, maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit, but I'd like to nip this before that other forum becomes as toxic as this one has become.

Please, can I implore those of you who have no genuine interest in that other venue (so far, that seems to be Tom, Larry and possibly Apple and perhaps a few others) to stay away? Pretty please? Further, please do not assume that those who have posted there intend to leave PW, as this is not true of most who have posted there. I haven't decided where I will post what, but I'd like to experience this other world before it becomes radioactive.

Thanks, folks.

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Please, can I implore those of you who have no genuine interest in that other venue (so far, that seems to be Tom, Larry and possibly Apple and perhaps a few others) to stay away?
maybe we could make a deal.... smile

I have no desire to meddle with your participation in another forum.. I do desire that this forum not be poisoned by the resentment and resentment of those participating in the "Great Liberal Exodus" (hereinafter GLE)as KathyK calls it.

So quit poisoning this place with your arguments and demands and unfair allegations and I for one will unintroduce myself at the other forum.

We know you you hate us... Can you quit telling us? It's been duly noted.


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Ok, I dont feel like reading through the last 7 pages...can someone with an honest voice tell me (and others in my position) what's going on in this thread?

Thanks! smile


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#756303 - 12/22/04 06:34 AM Re: Ethical?  
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....and I would ask all of you to leave us alone wherever we go....

Thanks,

jf
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I didn't know I was a pest.


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Ok, I dont feel like reading through the last 7 pages...can someone with an honest voice tell me (and others in my position) what's going on in this thread?

Thanks! smile
Honesty, as I see it:

1. I constantly bounce through the net (note the links I put up in the Takee Outee thread in the PF. I've known about who's who on the other forum for almost two weeks. It's pretty simple, all you have to do is bounce around and check who registered when.

It's not my part of the world, so no problemo. However, I noticed in one of Elena's posts that she mentioned she had been contacted about joining that forum. I do not know if that post eminated from one of our members, or Pluto.

2. I post a question on the ethics of solicitation. It may, or may not be related to point #1.

Some folks think it is fine to solicit. I do not, not when there is money on the line. And in the case of this website, I believe there is.

But that is simply personal ethics and opinion.

3. The most fascinating part of this thread is simply watching the interactions of the folks. That has been more illuminating than the original question.

4. If you see the handle "Jolly" on a forum, it's usually me. I don't sail under false colors.


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[b] ....and I would ask all of you to leave us alone wherever we go....

Thanks,

jf
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I didn't know I was a pest. [/b]
Plays,

not YOU silly! You have never bothered anybody as near as I can tell.

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