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#756156 - 12/21/04 03:35 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Come on, Jolly. If you're going to go so far as to identify the site and the person who committed this egregious sin, can't you do me a favor and cough up a link or a quote? That's what I meant about being coy.

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#756157 - 12/21/04 03:35 PM Re: Ethical?  
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I know you mean well, but this is just plain bizarre in this context. Stealing stamps is *theft.* If on the other hand the customer has the owner's explicit permission to use the stamps, then there is no theft.
I was trying to rise to Matt's allegory.

Here is what is meant...most of us display our email addies in our profiles. If I was a sharp laddie, I'd copy and paste those to my email list. I would then solicit as much business as possible for a new enterprise, by using that info.

By using the functions of the site, one can help to hurt it, or attempt to do so.


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#756158 - 12/21/04 03:37 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Well! I never saw so many knickers in a twist since... well! I never saw so many knickers in a twist! ROFLMAO!
I *know!*

But you know, Bernard, I'm hurt.

No one solicited *me.* Ouch! confused frown confused frown bah

#756159 - 12/21/04 03:45 PM Re: Ethical?  
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You have repeatedly posited the notion that someone "may have" been 'soliciting' other (apparently random) PW members to join them somewhere else. I find the implications of the assertion accusatory in and of themselves.
Nope. I've been very careful to accuse no one.

As for implications, those are found only between your ears, sir.


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#756160 - 12/21/04 03:47 PM Re: Ethical?  
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"RUMOR, n. A favorite weapon of the assassins of character." --Ambrose Bierce.

#756161 - 12/21/04 03:49 PM Re: Ethical?  
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And your point, Nina?


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#756162 - 12/21/04 03:49 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Nope. I've been very careful to accuse no one.
Nah, you've not been careful at all, although I will grant that you are generally a stand-up guy. You started a thread whereby we all know the other site and the person you claim did something -- something you are suggesting was unethical.

Calling that "coy" is being rather kind, actually.

Eh. I still don't understand why this is anyone's business but Frank's . . . But maybe we should have a loyalty oath, as that seems to be what is expected of members here. smile

#756163 - 12/21/04 03:52 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Nah, you've not been careful at all, although I will grant that you are generally a stand-up guy. You started a thread whereby we all know the other site and the person you claim did something -- something you are suggesting was unethical.

Calling that "coy" is being rather kind, actually.
Please show me where I have accused anyone, on this board or another of the premise of this thread, and you have my public apology.


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#756164 - 12/21/04 03:53 PM Re: Ethical?  
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It would be unprincipaled to "lift" the email addresses of PW members with whom one has no prior private communication for purposes of personal gain or revenge. Based on what I've read, I see no evidence of any such thing happening. Why the need to conjecture that such a thing could occur? Or are there some Machiavellian shenanigans that you wish to expose?


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#756165 - 12/21/04 03:53 PM Re: Ethical?  
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You have repeatedly posited the notion that someone "may have" been 'soliciting' other (apparently random) PW members to join them somewhere else. I find the implications of the assertion accusatory in and of themselves.
Nope. I've been very careful to accuse no one.

As for implications, those are found only between your ears, sir.
What are we to make of this?
However, from a couple of things I've read, there seems to be an active solicitation movement going on, to a competing board.

and this:

If you'll go back and read what I wrote, you'll find I referenced a specific poster. I also said that she may not have been referring to this particular board when she made aforementioned statement. Or she might have been doing so.

Matt's interpretation makes a lot of sense. And you have propagated rumor and innuendo. You have been very "careful not to accuse anyone" directly, but tell me, what did you need to be so careful about?

#756166 - 12/21/04 03:59 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Because I do not know the solicitation to be so. And I do not know whether it originated from this board.

But the ethical question remains...


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#756167 - 12/21/04 04:00 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Why haven't you asked her?


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#756168 - 12/21/04 04:02 PM Re: Ethical?  
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I've already stated in this thread that a post from Elena started me thinking about the ethics of solicitation.
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Yet...what if the solicitation was monetarily damaging to Frank?
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However, from a couple of things I've read, there seems to be an active solicitation movement going on, to a competing board.

And yes, I do find that to be a bit beyond the pale, if the modus operandi is the PM function on this board, and the gathering of our publicly displayed email addresses.
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If you'd like to wade through a few posts on the other board, please do so. EHpianist was the one that caught my eye. And to thoroughly absolve Elena, she may not have even referenced this board in particular - it may have been another she was talking about.
"Coy" may not be the word I'm looking for. It does start with a "C" though . . .

#756169 - 12/21/04 04:04 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Why haven't you asked her?
Because it may not involve this board, as I've already stated when I referenced her name.

But I find the question interesting.

I also find some of the responses enightening, as some folks read things into statements that are not there...


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#756170 - 12/21/04 04:05 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Fine, I'll ask her. Chicken.


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#756171 - 12/21/04 04:11 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Fine, I'll ask her. Chicken.
Still don't understand, do you?

It could come from this board, or it could eminate fromm rmmp. The essential ingredient to our discussion, is that someone contacted her for the purpose of having her presence on that board.

If we extrapolate that one fact, it begs the original question about the ethics of solicitation, and the ramifications thereof.


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#756172 - 12/21/04 04:13 PM Re: Ethical?  
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I contact my mother nearly every week for the purpose of having her presence (at my home for dinner). We've know each other a long time. I guess I could "steal" her phone number from the telephone directory, but then, isn't that the precise purpose of a telephone directory?


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#756173 - 12/21/04 04:15 PM Re: Ethical?  
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The essential ingredient to our discussion, is that someone contacted her for the purpose of having her presence on that board.
Is that it? A PW member contacted Elena and said, "Hey, I found a new board, come check it out?"

I think it would be mighty controlling to suggest there is any problem whatever with that.

#756174 - 12/21/04 04:26 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Frank\'s been out soliciting again!

Perhaps like many good businessmen, Frank realizes that a rising tide takes all ships. Increasing the number of hits on any piano forum ultimately increases the number of hits on all piano forums... and will increase knowledge and enthusiasm for pianos in general. It's a virtuous cycle, rather than a vicious one.

#756175 - 12/21/04 04:26 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Why do I continue the self-abuse by continually coming back to read the updates to this thread? It's like slowing down to gawk at a traffic accident. I don't want to keep coming back to the CR, but I can't help it.

I feel tawdry. smokin


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#756176 - 12/21/04 04:30 PM Re: Ethical?  
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Give it a rest, you guys. Seriously. This is about the silliest thread I've ever read. Go OD on some bourbon soaked fruitcake, or something.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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#756177 - 12/21/04 04:39 PM Re: Ethical?  
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kathyk started a lot of fights when she was here and now it seems she's started one now that she isn't.

A troublesome woman to say the least. Does anyone think she's going to change. She'll be in a fist fight over there the second someone disagrees with her (though she'll still visit here occasionally to steal thread ideas.)

Best to forget her.

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Oh give me a cursing break!!! Kathy started this fight?!

WHO STARTED THIS THREAD?! You want to blame someone Tom, then lay the blame there. Honestly. This is unbelievably STUPID.

Now I need the bourbon soaked fruitcake.

mad Jodi

#756179 - 12/21/04 04:59 PM Re: Ethical?  
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We're arguing over the fact that kathy WENT somewhere.

The SPIRIT of kathy started the fight. The nastiness just surrounds her. Believe me, I could care less where she went or that she went or that anyone else has gone. I think this is a dumb thread, too.

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For Jodi's eyes' only...Everyone else...just move past..

Tom's just funning folks... and provoking KK to say something silly...and reappear... Let's keep this a secret and see what happens.

Ken cool

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For Jodi's eyes' only...Everyone else...just move past..

Tom's just funning folks... and provoking KK to say something silly...and reappear... Let's keep this a secret and see what happens.

Ken cool
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Yes, well he did a good job of provoking me, didn't he. I even used the cursing - word. Oh my. :p (and no fair, Tommie boy - you edited your post)

Still gonna drink that fruit cake.

smile Jodi

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Love you Jodi...have a good night...listen to some Brahms... (edit) and get some of those Pillsbury loafs that you can do in your oven...too painful to get fresh bread from the store...

Ken

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Jody,

I edited it in the process of thinking it out, not to confound you and confuse you. Sorry.

smile

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I don't understand the issue... I really don't.

Sure it's sleazy to try and convince a member to leave to another forum with you just because you're lonely... but what did you expect from these people?

The forum there is laughable at best.
... at BEST


please, let them have their "forum" ... their "piano forum" (at least they gave it an original name)
They like it. It makes them feel a little bit better. Why try to deny them that?

I am curious how many techno-neophytes heard that they should go to the "piano forums" online, and ended up there not even knowing this place existed.

HA! no I'm not... I'm really not that curious

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