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Grammar - lay/lie usage #710459
03/09/04 10:47 PM
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Which of the following is gramatically incorrect:

". . .he made his bed and now he has to lay in it"

". . .he made his bed and now he has to lie in it"

I heard someone say the latter of the two today and I politely told her that the statement was gramatically incorrect and suggested she either use "lay" - OR "lie down". I came home and thought about it and now I am not so sure.

Can anyone clarify this for my piece of mind?

Thanks!


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Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710460
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It should be:

"...he made his bed and now he has to tell the truth in it"


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Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710461
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I think the second one is correct. To lie is to recline, to lay is to place, but is also the past tense of to lie. So present tense, he has to lie in it. (I could be wrong)

lay/lie

smile Jodi

Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710462
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Jodi,

Lie is correct. Although to lie is incorrect or, more precisely, wrong. I will just let sleeping dogs lie now. That is, if a sleeping (or waking) dog could actually tell an untruth.


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Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710463
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laugh

The one that really hoses me up (hoseheads me up?) is its and it's. Because it's the complete opposite of JBryans and Jodi's.

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Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710464
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The difference between lay and lie is the difference between a transitive and intransitive verb.


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Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710465
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I knew Sgt. Grammar would show up eventually.

:p laugh wink

Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710466
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Jodi,

There is only one JBryan. Try to remember that. smile

"Its" is the possessive form of the pronoun "it" by "it"self. It's is a contraction of it is.


Better to light one small candle than to curse the %&#$@#! darkness. :t:
Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710467
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Quote
Originally posted by Matt G.:
The difference between lay and lie is the difference between a transitive and intransitive verb.
I am only familiar with intransigent verbs. Those are the ones that are...well...intransigent as opposed to being...I guess...transigent. It is a slightly less thorny problem than being "gruntled" or even "regruntled".


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Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710468
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It's "lay" of course.

You can lie in a bed, you can get laid in a bed, but there is no point in making a bed and then "lie" in it, but of course you could lie about making your bed after getting laid in it, or lay in bed and lie about making it in the first place, in which case you would be a liar but not a layer, unless it was a bunk bed and you were lying about laying in the bottom bunk, in which case you would actually be laying on the top bunk but this would be incorrect becasue you lay an object down you don't lie it down except when it's you unless you were laying someone in the top bunk
. . . which could be dangerous.

I ain't laying, it's the truth. thumb

Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710469
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Lying or laying it is all bunk.


Better to light one small candle than to curse the %&#$@#! darkness. :t:
Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710470
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Either one works for me, I know what you're trying to say either way. But I do have one question.... did she lay down when you told her to lie down, and did anyone get laid - or were you just lying about that part?.....

(yes, I know..... leave it to me... but it was such a good straight line, and it was just laying there waiting to be picked up.... someone *had* to do it...don't lie...you saw it too.....


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Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710471
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Wasting my 2400th post here to say that I know that this has been discussed before. I can't find the thread though!!!

In the mean time, if you have any more grammar questions, take a look at this old thread:
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/10/1825.html


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Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710472
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My feeling is that if anyone in my house actually makes their bed, I will not complain if they want to lay in it or lie in it!

Nina

Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710473
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Originally posted by Nina:
My feeling is that if anyone in my house actually makes their bed, I will not complain if they want to lay in it or lie in it!

Nina
laugh laugh laugh

Jodi (the resident bed-maker)

Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710474
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If your bed is made, you lie on it, not in it.


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Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710475
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Another couple of words frequently used incorrectly: assure or ensure vs. insure.

Ensure and assure: to make something certain.

Insure is the *business* of insurance.

Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710476
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Welly put, Nina! laugh

Can we assume that your sock-drawer situation remains pretty much as unsatisfactorily resolved as it was a couple of years ago? I think your quote at that time was "I don't know why I even bother", with respect to attempts to introduce some color into the lives of your family's feet.

But perhaps it was someone else....its (it's, it has) been a while.

Bob

Re: Grammar - lay/lie usage #710477
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Well, can we (or is it may we, or maybe shall we?) lay (or is that lie) this one to rest?

Another one is effect and affect.

Oh, here's one that gets my goat even more, and nearly EVERYONE does it. She is going to "try and do something or other" E.g., She was going to try and complete her college application. When it should be, "she is going to try to complete her college application." Am I right? "Try" and "do" should be linked by the preposition "to" not the conjuctive "and." It enfuriates me just typing this! mad I'm calling the police. [Linked Image]

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Lots of people say, "I could care less", instead of, "I couldn't care less".

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