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Re: Is it just me or has Kwanzaa become too commercialized?
#706149 01/01/04 12:33 AM
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Somehow Ariel elicited this response in a dead thread, so in an attempt to make it noticed (by her at least since she posted it) since it pertains to this thread:
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I was responding primarily to remarks [b]in context, of which actually, the title of the thread - coming from a White Guy (who is, or at least, used to be a friend of mine) - is what's most offensive.[/b]
Huh?

a) what's offensive about the title?
b) what's offensive about any remarks I made?
c) how do you know I'm white? In fact, how do you know I'm a guy? I may be transgendered or two-spirited.
d) and worst of all, of course I'm your friend. Who's asked about your hot water heater about three times now offering help, even though you keep ignoring me?

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Re: Is it just me or has Kwanzaa become too commercialized?
#706150 01/01/04 01:09 AM
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I think she would rather not tackle that one right now. laugh

Better to light one small candle than to curse the %&#$@#! darkness. :t:
Re: Is it just me or has Kwanzaa become too commercialized?
#706151 01/01/04 01:12 AM
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Ariel's having trouble with her hot water heater?

How'd I miss that?

(this was a better thread than I thought it was going to be)

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Re: Is it just me or has Kwanzaa become too commercialized?
#706152 01/01/04 01:23 AM
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I missed the thing about Ariel's water heater too.

Better to light one small candle than to curse the %&#$@#! darkness. :t:
Re: Is it just me or has Kwanzaa become too commercialized?
#706153 01/01/04 02:55 AM
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I knew she was in over her head, in too deep, swimming in the big end...... but it looked to me like she was getting into hot water just fine.... did her heater break?.... wink laugh
Re: Is it just me or has Kwanzaa become too commercialized?
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Posted by gryphon: d) and worst of all, of course I'm your friend. Who's asked about your hot water heater about three times now offering help, even though you keep ignoring me?
And I keep asking about her piano adventures and she ignores me.
Re: Is it just me or has Kwanzaa become too commercialized?
#706155 01/01/04 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Larry:

Here is the true story of the origin of Kwanzaa, and the man who started it. I await your comments.
Just make sure you\'ve read it and allowed it to sink in before you respond.
Larry, thanks for the fascinating article. I was not aware of the origins of Kwanzaa, other than to know it was of recent vintage. It would appear to me that the celebration has readily transcended its shady origins (or at least its shady founder) and become something that is meaningful and of value to a large number of people.

It would be interesting to know which other holidays have origins that are not consistent with their present day expression. I was told that you ran a long post about the origins of Thanksgiving. Since that predates my joining this forum, I missed it and could not find it looking back. I would love to read it if you can point me in the right direction.

By the way, I am no fan of Al either. [/QB]
I just read Larry's post about the origins of Thanksgiving. Very illuminating and worth passing on.

In it, I found a sentence that seems apropos here: "In modern society, it is not uncommon for our celebrations to have arisen from black and evil beginnings."

"Make the pie higher." GWB
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