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#703595 - 01/14/03 01:04 PM More pedalling comments ...  
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Greetings!

If you recall, I've been taking lessons since around August or thereabouts, and my teacher indicates that I'm making good progress, thus far.

Of late, he has me working on pieces out of Couperin's "Mass for the Convents" plus a few other things from the Gleason text.

One piece he has me working on is the Pachelbel setting of the Old 100th, cantus firmus in Bass. The first time he had me play that, it was almost like pulling teeth. Just couldn't coordinate the two manuals and the pedal at all.

So last Friday, I sat at the console and studied the piece. Then an idea came to my head - why not try pedal alone first (pretty easy, just the melody of the hymn tune, as suggested by the title), then the left hand plus pedal (a little more challenging, what with all the eighth and sixteenth notes dotting the landscape), and then right hand plus pedal. Then followed that with manuals alone, then I put the three together.

And I had no trouble with the coordination. So here I am, thinking, "Why didn't I think of this before?"

My teacher divided the piece into 4 parts, I'm halfway through it now, once I get the whole thing under my hands and feet, then I'll be working on increasing the tempo. I guess my metronome will be receiving a lot of attention in the coming days ...

Thanks for listening ...

Lyn F.


Regards,
Lyn F.
#703596 - 01/15/03 08:35 PM Re: More pedalling comments ...  
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Hi Lyn,

I'm so glad that things are working out so well for you! You'll probably be finding a lot of helpful techniques as you go along. Keep up the good work!

Lyn B.

#703597 - 01/15/03 10:37 PM Re: More pedalling comments ...  
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Lyn,
I think you'll discover lots of shortcuts if you practice manuals alone, pedals alone, RH and pedal, LH and pedal, and finally all parts together. I wonder why your teacher didn't suggest this? :rolleyes:


Sincerely,
Eldon
#703598 - 01/16/03 12:26 PM Re: More pedalling comments ...  
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Originally posted by Eldon:
Lyn,
I think you'll discover lots of shortcuts if you practice manuals alone, pedals alone, RH and pedal, LH and pedal, and finally all parts together. I wonder why your teacher didn't suggest this? :rolleyes:
Well, er ... actually, maybe he did, but he had assigned me a whole heap of stuff before I went home for the holidays that I may have forgotten that he may have suggested that. And he had piled the work on me when I informed him that I managed to secure some practice time on an organ in Chula Vista.

Oh well. He's assigned me another couple of pieces to learn for next week. Guess I've got to get cracking on that ...

Lyn F.


Regards,
Lyn F.
#703599 - 08/13/07 04:02 PM Re: More pedalling comments ...  
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I have played the pipe organ on and off for many years but have never mastered the ability to play or read an independant pedal part, always inventing my own pedal line. This is invariably the same note an octave lower as the fifth finger of the left hand.
Is all lost? Has anyone here mastered independance in later years? I think what is needed are some uncompromising excercises. What is out there for this purpose?

#703600 - 08/23/07 10:09 PM Re: More pedalling comments ...  
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Hi Pianomann2,

Since this thread is four years old you might want to start an entirely new one. It is a bit confusing when you start to think of ways to answer the original poster, then realize the original person may not be around to hear the answer! laugh

Anyway, to answer your question - I played piano for many years and didn't learn how to play organ pedals until I was about 18.

Since my keyboard skills were very advanced and my pedalling was awful, it was a very awkward time.

The best advice is to practice. Someone recently gave me an interesting name to a process that I've always done: the "Seven Step Method". This works for any organ piece with an independent part.

Practice each alone:
  • Left Hand
  • Right Hand
  • Left Hand + Right Hand
  • Pedal
  • Left Hand + Pedal
  • Right Hand + Pedal
  • Everything together

Before long, you will be sailing along!

Now for some advice about pieces... The thing that got me started was Bach's "Eight Little Preludes & Fugues". These pieces are easy in the manuals, and very easy in the Pedal part - a good start.

You might also invest in some organ method books. Stainer is good, as is the Clarence Dickenson book. Dupré is good, but a bit more advanced.

#703601 - 08/30/07 10:50 PM Re: More pedalling comments ...  
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Thanks for your reply, Whipen Boy. I know that you are right on this method, and I was too impatient as a young guy to really get down to this detailed practise. When you are already fluent on piano it is very difficult going back to this slow level of learning. How long did it take you to begin to feel totally natural playing an independant pedal part? Is it totally second nature now?

#703602 - 10/24/07 02:46 PM Re: More pedalling comments ...  
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Hi there,

For me, it's like second nature now. I'm able to sight-read pieces more easily, and yes, this includes the pedal line. It took me a while to get to that point.

I definitely agree with WhippenBoy's technique. Once I started using that technique, I found I was able to get through my pieces more easily.

But now, I am at the point where I can generally read through pieces, and will separate each alone if needed to go over particularly difficult passages.


Regards,
Lyn F.
#1157494 - 03/04/09 11:45 PM Re: More pedalling comments ... [Re: whippen boy]  
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Originally Posted by whippen boy
Hi Pianomann2,



The best advice is to practice. Someone recently gave me an interesting name to a process that I've always done: the "Seven Step Method". This works for any organ piece with an independent part.

Practice each alone:
  • Left Hand
  • Right Hand
  • Left Hand + Right Hand
  • Pedal
  • Left Hand + Pedal
  • Right Hand + Pedal
  • Everything together

Before long, you will be sailing along!



oh good. organ lessons. Actually i've been practicing this way. (so little time and so much to accomplish).

the pedal and the left hand together is challenging and often the most beneficial for me. if i can coordinate the two, usually i can play the piece.

I can play a piece better if i look at the score and just imagine what the pedal line is.. if you get what i mean.. sometimes it sounds better and sometimes it sounds worse.


accompanist/organist.. a non-MTNA teacher to a few

love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)

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