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#697981 - 06/12/06 08:28 AM Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Are there any happy new users with information about these models? mp3's? is the CP33 sound better then avrage? improved over the P90? CP 300 vs. P250? as good as the s90ES piano sound? I can't wait to hear!

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#697982 - 06/12/06 11:52 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Yamaha CP33 / CP300 have too long been around and were discontinued.


Now, seriously smile They will begin to sell in July. Currently there're not many users.

#697983 - 06/12/06 01:43 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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#697984 - 06/12/06 04:07 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Why are you rolling your eyes? That's pretty rude. I can only attest to the P250 piano sound versus the S90es, and the P250 wins.

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#697985 - 06/12/06 04:13 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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I think yiss was rolling their eyes at alekkh's joke?

Anyways, back on subject: Is anyone planning on buying one of these new models? I'd like to hear a recording of the CP300 laugh


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#697986 - 06/13/06 02:37 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Now, seriously smile They will begin to sell in July. Currently there're not many users.
I've found two online stores stating the CP300 is in stock now.

#697987 - 06/13/06 06:37 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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The CP300 is available now at Musician's Friend as well.


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#697988 - 06/13/06 12:34 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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#697989 - 06/13/06 04:42 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Has anyone looked at the manuals for these pianos yet? I got the PDF's off of Yamahasynth.com's link and was looking at the Voice List towards the back. Under Grand Piano 1's description, both manuals claim String resonance recording. But, only the CP300 has a String resonance column.

I find this very odd that the descriptions name String Resonance, yet only the CP300 has it. I even emailed Yamaha's customer support and got the following:

"Only the CP300 contains a string resonance feature. Thank you."

Is this normal? Am I just giving the descriptions too much salt?


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#697990 - 06/13/06 07:18 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Cp300 is like a P250/PF500 which has 'string resonance' feature, while cp33 is a copy of p120/90 which doesn't have such a feature to begin with.

#697991 - 06/13/06 07:23 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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I wonder, can you really tell the difference? String resonance vs no string?


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#697992 - 06/14/06 03:12 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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I wonder, can you really tell the difference? String resonance vs no string?
Comparing the respective P series models the CP series replaces, IMO, the P-250 sounds noticeably different and better than the P-90. However, it should. It has twice the polyphony, a different sound engine, and the price is more than twice that of the P-90. The string resonance "probably" plays a part in the difference.

#697993 - 06/14/06 06:50 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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[b] I wonder, can you really tell the difference? String resonance vs no string?
Comparing the respective P series models the CP series replaces, IMO, the P-250 sounds noticeably different and better than the P-90. However, it should. It has twice the polyphony, a different sound engine, and the price is more than twice that of the P-90. The string resonance "probably" plays a part in the difference. [/b]
I noticed the same thing when listening to the MP3 samples that Yamaha provides for those models. Of course though, Grand Piano 1's sample song is different on the P90 than that of the P250. I couldn't tell if it was because they were trying harder on the P250 than the P90, or if it really did just sound that much better.


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#697994 - 06/14/06 01:30 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but what do Yamaha call string resonance. Is it the sound of the soundboard? Is it the undamped upper strings? Is it the harmonic resonance on sustain? Is it extra long ringing?
And what will I be missing without it?
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#697995 - 06/14/06 02:51 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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And what will I be missing without it?
yiss
I'm trying to determine the same thing.

Their description from their PDF manual is:

"The sympathetic vibration (string resonance) that
occurs between the strings of an acoustic piano
has also been simulated."


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#697996 - 06/14/06 04:11 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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String resonance is when you hold a string open (key down) and srike an octave key or an interval key, you hear both the key you stroke and the open string key.

#697997 - 06/14/06 09:46 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Originally posted by Wandering Weezard:
I noticed the same thing when listening to the MP3 samples that Yamaha provides for those models. Of course though, Grand Piano 1's sample song is different on the P90 than that of the P250. I couldn't tell if it was because they were trying harder on the P250 than the P90, or if it really did just sound that much better.
Personally, I never rely solely upon website audio samples due to a number of factors. Website audio samples may provide an "indication" of a digital piano's sound, but side-by-side comparisons work better for me.

IMO, the sound is much better. Additionally I think the sound of the CLP-150 is quite comparable to the P-250. The best way is to compare them yourself and make your own decision whether the difference is worth the extra money.

#697998 - 06/15/06 01:06 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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mp3 samples help, since in real it can't be much worse... so if it sounds good, it should be good. but I would say it is risky to buy only based on that.


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#697999 - 06/26/06 06:56 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Are there any new owners by now? If your answer is yes - Tell us about it!


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#698000 - 06/26/06 09:35 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Another week or two for me... frown

I know I'm going to buy it, but I have to go play and hear it first or I won't feel good about myself. Too bad I live in the boonies or I'd go right now. I can hardly wait.

#698001 - 02/27/07 10:37 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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String resonance refers to something also called sympathetic resonance. Try to sing into the round opening of an acoustic guitar. Depending which tones you sing, you may hear an "aura" of tones after you stopped singing. The strings of the guitar, which may be in tune with what you were singing (tones and/or overtones) may resonate.

An acoustic piano has a unique damper system, where most strings (except perhaps the highest 2 octaves) are damped, unless you step on the damper (or sustain) pedal. But if you do step on said pedal, all strings are released and are free to resonate. So as you are playing a melody, chords, whatever; other strings that can relate to the tones played and also to the overtones of those same tones will resonate, until the damper pedal is released or until the resonance naturally fades to nothing.

I imagine this was originally a shortcoming of an acoustic piano, because it is very difficult to "undamp" individual strings. So the mechanical system of damping has been designed in such a way, that either all the strings get released, when you step on the magical pedal, or all of them are damped (again, with the exception of the highest octaves).

Most digital pianos make the played note to simply stay on until the sustain pedal is pressed. No other tones are present.

Some of the most expensive and advanced digital pianos claim to have captured the sound of the resonance of the acoustic piano with the damper pedal depressed. They may have done so.... to an extent.Nevertheless, considering that the group of strings that will resonate is different depending whether you play one note, two notes, a chord, etc; the number of combinations is literally infinite. Have they captured that? I don't think so. Next time you have a chance, take a seat at an acoustic grand, depress the damper pedal, play a few notes, then stop palying but keep the pedal depressed.... listen... you will hear the sympathetic resonance of the rest of the strings.... Enjoy.....

I am getting myself a Yamaha CP70. A compromise? Sure. But I've got tenants in my basement. Some day, I'll get the Steinway.

#698002 - 02/27/07 11:09 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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"Yamaha CP70"? a new model?

#698003 - 02/27/07 12:21 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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He probably means P70. The CP70 is an electric baby grand from decades back.

#698004 - 02/27/07 01:16 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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I replaced my p90 (actually, I still have it) with a cp33. The 33 has independent volumne controls if you split the keybd and play bass along w/piano. The action also seems a little more 'realistic'. It's a solid little piano, but still not the digital that I'm looking for to accurately emulate the subtleties of an acoustic.

#698005 - 02/28/07 10:08 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Actually, I did mean the Yamaha CP70 from decades ago... It is a fully functional stringed instrument with all the subtleties and nuances of an acoustic piano but without the huge soundboard/enclosure a grand piano comes with. So the acoustic sound, without amplification, is not loud at all, nevertheless it is fully enjoyable. Thus I can play it any ime of the day/night and if I want volume, I can always plug it in just like any other keboard... I found one for $500, will restore it to be the showpiece of my living room... The sound is incredible though...

BTW has anybody tried the Synthogy Ivory Grand Piano Software?

#698006 - 02/28/07 04:04 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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BTW has anybody tried the Synthogy Ivory Grand Piano Software?
See this thread for a current discussion of Ivory:

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/6/2822.html

Also check out Hugh Sung\'s blog for more discussion.


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#698007 - 02/28/07 07:11 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Actually, I did mean the Yamaha CP70 from decades ago...
The CP70 and CP80 were wonderful instruments with thier own distinctive sound. Electric grands with real action. I only got to play them a few times.

http://hollowsun.com/vintage/cp70/index.html

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BTW has anybody tried the Synthogy Ivory Grand Piano Software?
As well as the thread packa mentioned, there is also another discussion here:
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/6/2833.html


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#698008 - 03/01/07 04:16 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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Following up on GabeCP's post, here's a link to demos of Michiel Post's "Old Lady." She's an 80-year-old sampled Steinway D who's scale produces a softer and warmer tone than does the contemporary D.

Xavier Bidault's "Skylark" uses his sympathetic resonance script. To my ears this demo is richer than are those on the "Full dedicated demo page!"

#698009 - 03/03/07 02:31 PM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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As a former owner of a yamaha cp70b, the quality of the materials involved in the mechanic, are just out-standing.The casing doesn´t do justice to the high-standard quality of the wooden pieces inside the mechanick.They used all the particular wood types and cloth-leather, you expect from a top-grand. I was really intreaged by this peace all the way.

#698010 - 03/04/07 12:00 AM Re: Yamaha CP 300 and CP33 owners!  
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As a former CP70B owner myself, I concur. I hated to sell it.


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