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#696885 - 03/01/05 05:39 PM FP2? FP5? another one?  
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Hi guys smile

Well, it comes out I'm in the market for a new digital piano... I'll use it mainly for public playing, I'll be carrying it around to my college (where I make most of my presentations) and to other places, so I need it to be as portable (read "weight-less") as possible, but sound and feel are also a really important aspect...

Right now I have about US1700-1800 to spend on it... I was thinking about either the Roland's FP-2 or FP-5... the FP-5 says it's about 30 kgs, which is kinda heavy, they don't mention the weight of the FP-2... could anyone give me this info?...

What are the main differences between them? It seems the FP-2 is slightly smaller and lighter, is it different regarding sound?...

I'll also accept other suggestions... remember my budget goes until US1800 and the three important things are: Portability (Weight), Grand Piano Sound and Feel... I really don't care much about the look, brand, different instrument patches (I'll only use the gran piano one)...

SO, what do you say? wink

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#696886 - 03/01/05 05:41 PM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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Oh, and another important thing... I need it to have built.in speakers wink


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The FP-2 weighs 14.kg.

You can download the manuals from Rolands's web site - they make you register and then e-mail it to you, if I recall.

You'll have to compare specs between the FP-2 and FP-5 to learn the subtle differences, but they both do have speakers.

Kevin

#696888 - 03/02/05 12:18 AM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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I think FP2 will be better for you. It is very light, which is around 14 kg and compact. So very easy to get on with regarding mobility. Key action is a bit lighter than FP5 model but sound is NEARLY the same. If I were on your shoes, I would get FP2 definetely... smile

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#696889 - 03/02/05 12:24 AM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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By the way, FP2 has around ten piano variations and also other useful sounds such as strings, voices, epianos,pads, etc... You don'T need to look at sth else, just go and buy FP2. It has more than what you need:) But if you wanna have a look alternatives, you should try Yamaha P60, P120-Kawai ES3- Casio PX100,PX300, PX400R actually PX100 will be enough for u, due to you don'T need other sounds or style much i guess...

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In my opinion Yamaha P120 is the best for your price range, it has built in speakers and a good piano sound/feel. Its quite light as well.


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#696891 - 03/02/05 07:48 AM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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Yamaha P-120

Superb Acoustic Pianos and weighted piano action. Built in speakers, 43lbs and a beatiful mahogany finish. Add an FC-4 pedal for soft/sostenuto pedaling and you are all set!

BTW, I play solo piano, and the P-120 has the finest Acoustic Pianos and action, in my opinion.

Chris

#696892 - 03/02/05 08:25 PM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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I think FP2 will be better for you. It is very light, which is around 14 kg and compact. So very easy to get on with regarding mobility. Key action is a bit lighter than FP5 model but sound is NEARLY the same. If I were on your shoes, I would get FP2 definetely... smile
The sound engine in the FP-2 and FP-5 is exactly the same. They employ the same piano sample.

The compromise (and it is not much of a compromise) between the FP-2 and FP-5 to save the weight is the use of a compact version of the progressive hammer action and a smaller speaker system on the FP-2.
This only makes the FP-2 a more portable solution than many comparable digital pianos available today with IMO no sacrifice in sound, feeling and features for day to day use....

Hope this helps

#696893 - 03/03/05 03:11 AM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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I again agree with propianoguy as FP2 is the best choice for you. I have played both and FP5 is a bit bulky comparing FP2 and its colour is a bit weird. FP2 has a moonlight grey colour and very very compact regarding its size and weight. Also it has a very straight forward menu and layout... Mainly the same hammer action with RD300sx so the action is professional enough. Yamaha P120 is a good piano but a bit manish, bulky and liveless... I also liked and felt surprised how good Casio PX400 R is, just have a look its site and see the demos... I recommend you to get Casio PX400R or Roland FP2. If u get Casio, u can get all the things you want at a lower price and if you get Roland FP2, you wil get all the things in a better package, better sound and better size as well as better design... Don't worry about Yamaha, not because it is a bad piano, because it is not your taste:)

#696894 - 03/03/05 03:41 AM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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Why not have a look at here... You will like it... smile But I should recommend you again that if you can afford, just take FP2, if not, take this PX400R as it has all your needs and wishes...

http://www.privia-instruments.com/euro/specials/imagefilm/

#696895 - 03/03/05 04:43 AM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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Yamaha P120 is a good piano but a bit manish, bulky and liveless...
Care to explain more?

Chris

#696896 - 03/03/05 09:00 AM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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Because when I look at it and play it, I feel like that. This is my feeling, you may feel sth far more different:) It also looks dull to me regarding its design. Have you ever played FP2...? You will feel how lovely it is onces you do it... I do understand that you have a P120 so you suggest all the people your piano but why not recommending another brands? Can you say that FP2 is a crappy or useless piano?

Yamaha is heavy/bulky for carrying around all the time. And a bit expensive comparing with some others I have mentioned before. I think there are some other better alternatives for Balparda to get on... Ta:)

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Because when I look at it and play it, I feel like that. This is my feeling, you may feel sth far more different:) It also looks dull to me regarding its design. Have you ever played FP2...? You will feel how lovely it is onces you do it... I do understand that you have a P120 so you suggest all the people your piano but why not recommending another brands? Can you say that FP2 is a crappy or useless piano?

Yamaha is heavy/bulky for carrying around all the time. And a bit expensive comparing with some others I have mentioned before. I think there are some other better alternatives for Balparda to get on... Ta:)
First off, I wasn't asking in a mocking or rude tone. Just asking an honest question.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you didn't really clarify why you thought it was like that, so I just wanted to ask and get a little more information.

Yes, I have played an FP2 before, and an FP5. They are very nice pianos. I would recommend them to anyone who needs a good Acoustic Piano and action. I personally feel that the P-120 is superior sound and feel wise, but that is my personal opinion and preference.

Different Strokes for Different Folks. wink

Chris

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Hi Chris, I have already stated that your digital piano is a very nice one. Just it is expensive and not easy to transport comparing the others. Otherwise, I also adore Yamaha's overall philosophy... My first keyboard was a Yamaha PSR6700 and I still miss sth from it... smile

#696899 - 03/03/05 09:32 AM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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What about FP-3? I think Roland discontinued this model but there're some local stores selling them around here. I thought that FP-3 is the model after FP2. If it is then why Roland no longer produce this model.

Any one here know the good/bad of FP3?
Thanks.

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I guess it is not as good as FP2 because it was released before FP2... So don't get a wrong impression because of its number:)

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. Don't worry about Yamaha, not because it is a bad piano, because it is not your taste:)
How do you know that? I'm not saying that it definitely is the right piano, but you seem to have made Balparda's mind for him!


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#696902 - 03/03/05 03:57 PM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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I guess it is not as good as FP2 because it was released before FP2... So don't get a wrong impression because of its number:)
Simply put, the FP-3 was the predeccesor to the FP-2 nothing wrong with the sound or feel at all.
If the deal is right, you can't go wrong.
The FP-3 has many of the same features and is slightly heavier but a great piano nevertheless.
Roland now produces two FP pianos the FP-2 and FP-5 where there only used to be the FP-3.
Like I said, if the deal is right....Go for it.

PPBC

PS: Lanstif (sorry if I got that wrong) But before you offer very strong opinions on any products, make sure all your facts are straight please...I mean no offense at all...but forums like this are a great place for consumers to learn about instruments. And they can read a post and get the wrong info quite quickly.
(I have been taken to task on this same point as well)...I only ask that you offer your information based on fact if you know it to be fact or opinion if thats what it is. Thanks

#696903 - 03/03/05 05:23 PM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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Thanks for your info. PPBC.
Let me ask you a question. We got a price quote of $1000.0 for the FP-3, keyboard and stand. And a price quote of $1,295 for the FP-2, keyboard only. The FP3 has no on board speakers so we would need to buy some speakers. We're afraid that after adding the speakers, the price of the FP-3 will be the same or even higher than the FP-2. If you were us, which one you would pick?
Thank you.

#696904 - 03/03/05 06:07 PM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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For me, the FP-2 sounds like good value for money. See if you can get the dealer to throw in a single braced x stand as the keyboard is not that heavy.
PPBC

#696905 - 03/04/05 03:18 AM Re: FP2? FP5? another one?  
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My reply to Propiano and cobs...
I would like you to realise that I am very happy and satisfied chatting with you guys. I have been learning and giving MY OPINION...
I don't think anyone should go and buy any piano models because of our words here, they should go and feel it. Everything is like that. Buying a car, TV or even getting married smile
I felt that Balparda likes Roland Products as he mentioned in his query all about Roland. So it means, he has already liked the Roland and just wanted to learn whether he has been doing sth right or wrong. That's why, I thought that there would be no need to discover America again. By his demands and words, I thought Roland FP2 would be best for him.
Regarding FP3, as Trihai stated, there are no speakerphones on it. So, this model shouldn't be advised to Balparda. It also bulkier than FP2...
Propiano, we are not able to state all the things by words and facts on this world. I wish we could... On paper, you can show the specs, but when you sit in front of a piano, what you feel is important. I really felt good with FP2 rather than FP5 although it is better regarding specs. I will go for RD700 soon, but still thinking about FP2 because it is so easy to get on with...
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Sorry,by mistake I couldn't complete my words. I would like to do so now. So, I or all of us are here, for just giving our feelings and opinions, otherwise, all the readers are able to go to the shop in person or browse internet and find the specs of all kind of pianos. PEOPLE COME AND READ ALL THESE WORDS HERE TO LEARN OUR FEELINGS, RATHER THAN FACTS... smile So, I tell all of you my feelings with the facts that it is a quality, compact piano. It has all the features Balparda wants, even more than he needs. It is a very easy piano regarding mobility. My feelings says to me that he likes Roland so he should go to that way unless FP2 is not able to give his needs... He must have read us so he can saysth about all this. ta:)

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lantisf,

Understood! I think the language barrier is one issue.
But it is a really tough not to listen when someone asks for an opinion and gets a response like "yamaha is not for you" or "FP-3 is not as good as FP-2" There are many different opinions. just remember to state them as that!
English is not your first language right?
Part of the confusion I think comes from that.
Please continue to stay around and post but just remember that when we offer information we know to be factual we say so. And when we offer opinions based on personal preference it is DOUBLY important to mention that!
PPBC

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Hey guys... thanks a LOT for all your kind comments smile I really needed to make sure I was making the right deal with the FP2 smile

Btw, I have two other questions that are *almost* unrelated to the thread, just some random thoughts...

1. I already own a Yamaha CLP-120... comparing it to the FP-2, which one has better sounds and feel? They both have almost the same price, and the Yamaha has all the fancy wood and stuff, so I'm assuming that the FP has better electronics and samples... am I right?

2. wth is sth? :p


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Balparda,

The Difference between the piano sample on the FP-2 and that of the CLP-120, is that the sound of the FP-2 is of the multi-sampled variety while the sample of the CLP-120 is one sample.

Essentially what this means is that the response of the FP-2 is able to more closely mimick that of an acoustic piano. When you play the FP-2 harder not only do you get a louder tone but a difference in character and timbre.

The Yamaha piano can change in volume only.

Some like the sound of Yamaha and some Roland... In this case the degree of realism is the issue and a multi sampled piano sound will almost always sound more realistic than that of a single sample level.

Hope that helps.

PPBC

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Thanks ProPiano smile I had no idea there was a difference between "sampling layering technology" (Just a name I'm making up :p )... I thought the only difference where that some samples had like better recording, more RAM and stuff smile

And what abou the feel of the keys? which one is better? I'd assume the CLP-120 more closely resembles that of a 'real' piano because it has a bigger hammer system, but one again I'm just assuming :p

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I think the language barrier is one issue

Propiano,

You are right, this is not my mother taunge. I am Turkish if you are interested. But I think what I have been saying was clearly understood as u mentioned:) So I have no idea what kind of barrier you are talking about mate... I didn't recommend FP3 and P120 because of his words NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD PIANOS. If you take a closer look at his words, you will realise that there some prerequisites so FP2 will fit the bill. Cheers:)

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Please continue to stay around and post but just remember that when we offer information we know to be factual we say so

To Propiano,

Although I have a limited English, I think you sounded a bit rude here. Thank you for allowing me to stay around here...

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to Balparta,

Because of your recent questions, I think there is no need to talk any more about what you wanted to know... Because you have diverted the topic upside down. For me, the end... smile

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Yes, if the FP2 has multi-sampling then it will sound better than the CLP120. As you said Balparda, the clue is in the price, the money on the FP2 is spent on sound quality, the money on the CLP120 is spent on the cabinet.

Its the same as the Difference between CLP120 and P120, P120 sounds better but lacks the cabinet.


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