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Anyone have experience with Winchester digital pianos? #688977
11/18/07 12:47 AM
11/18/07 12:47 AM
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So I was in my local digital piano store today, trying lots of different pianos with a view to buying. The feel of the key action is really important to me, and I was surprised to find that the closest to the feel of an acoustic was not a Yamaha or a Roland, but actually the Winchester WDP-65 .

Since i'd not heard of the brand I thought i'd leave it before buying, so that I could check online and maybe read some reviews. Alas, there seems to be very, very little info out there about these pianos, so while i'm still interested, i'm a little worried that they're cheaply made or that the sampling is rubbish (it's not so easy to make out the subtleties in the sound in a noisy music store).

Has anyone had any experience with these pianos and can anyone tell me if they're decent or not, or whether I should avoid them like the plague.

Cheers.

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Re: Anyone have experience with Winchester digital pianos? #688978
11/18/07 01:52 AM
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They are the bottom of the barrel, really terrible pieces in my opinion. Avoid.


Casio PX-360. 1966 Mason & Hamlin. Mojo 61.
Previously: RD700SX, FP4, FP50, Kawai ES4, Kurzweil PC2X.
Re: Anyone have experience with Winchester digital pianos? #688979
11/18/07 11:03 AM
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Today weighted-key digital piano technology is
so well-established and widespread
that there are now many little-known
brands with catchy names on them, like:
Adagio, Diginova Concerto, Williams,
Hemingway, etc. These are apparently
assembled from components that are
no longer cutting-edge. This is not
necessarily bad, since digital pianos
are essentially computers, and like
computers, they can be easily assembled
out of familiar components. This is
why there are so many mom-and-pop outfits
that turn out personal computers that
are just as good as those from Dell or
Hewlett-Packard. The situation is
similar with digital pianos today.

Thus, this Winchester piano could be
just as good as the big-name brands.
Indeed, it might even be better in some
small way, since the manufacturer might
be trying hard to make a name for himself.
For example, the Adagio digitals used
to be sold only online at cut-rate prices.
But now they have improved enough
so that they are sold in piano stores
for hefty prices. I tried one and
I was impressed. It's still not as
technologically slick as the big brands,
but it makes up for it in other ways,
like the cabinetry, which is vastly better
than on the big brands, and the overall
ambience: this plays like a good, mellow,
older acoustic piano, unlike the big brands,
which are cold and computer-like by
comparison.

Re: Anyone have experience with Winchester digital pianos? #688980
11/26/07 06:58 AM
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I went into Dawson's on Saturday (they were having a piano sale) and was looking at the Roland HP-204. They didn't have an HP-207, but that's what I wanted. There was a Roland rep in the store, and he said they could do one for me at a very good price, but probably only in the Light Oak colour. Roland is having trouble keeping up with demand for the Rosewood.

I explained to the rep, that what I really wanted was the black that was on sale in the US and now in Germany. I was informed that this was not an option for the UK market.

I pointed to the Winchester (a make I'd never heard of) Polished Mahogany grand across the way in the shop and asked the rep why Roland couldn't make nice looking cases like that. He was a bit snotty about this. So, almost just to spite him, I said I was going to go give that piano a try.

Now, I've played a few acoustic grands in my time and the problem with all digital pianos is that, no matter how good the action, they never feel alive like a real piano. You don't get the same vibrations back through the keys that you get with an acoustic.

Except, that with this Winchester, you did feel those vibrations! If I'd have been blindfolded, I would have sworn from the action, feel and sound that I was playing a really good quality acoustic grand.

Even more amazing was that it was £200 cheaper than the Roland.

Just as a sanity check, I went and got my friend who is also a pianist. She was as astounded as I was. We both went back to the Roland just to check. It was seriously outclassed by the cheaper Winchester.

Needless to say, I bought one.

I did some research on the Internet and discovered that the piano Dawsons sell as a Winchester is really made by a South Korean company called Dinatone.

I'm happy.

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Re: Anyone have experience with Winchester digital pianos? #688981
11/26/07 04:18 PM
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Hmmm, Hondaboy2001 this sounds interesting.

I did some googling and i suppose danlaw's 'Winchester WDP-65' (and yours to?) is really a 'DYNATONE DP-65 Spinet' then. Never heard of it until now.

http://www.jimlaabspianos.com/digital/dynatone/dynatone.htm

But since you and your friend played some accoustic grands it's amazing to hear that you found the keyboard action very good (even better than a Roland HP 204 with it's new PHA II keyboard with escapement) and close to a real accoustic grand!

What about the sound? I don't suppose 2 x 6" speakers and with 25 Watts amp sound as good as a 40 Watt with four speakers like my YAMAHA clp-240 or a 60 Watt with even more speakers and IAFC system (YAMAHA CLP 270/280) or with a extra soundboard as the KAWAI CA 91, but thats not the most important thing.

What really interests me is how does it sound with good headphones? Because then on most digitals (if the amp is not to bad) you can really here how good and natural the sound is ( see also the topic "Headphone recommendations" ) because then you can really judge on the quality of the sound samples they used.

I'm looking forward to it.


I love my dark rosewood Yamaha CLP-240. She's as honest with me as a loyal dog but she sounds better.
Re: Anyone have experience with Winchester digital pianos? #688982
11/27/07 07:17 PM
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Ah, to be honest, I didn't try it through headphones. However, through it's own speakers, it was truly stunning. Streets ahead of the Roland HP-204. In fact, it made the Roland sound truly second class!

When I walked into the shop, I knew I was going to buy the Roland...I'd been looking at them for months. However, in about twenty seconds, both my fingers and my ears told me that the Winchester was the better instrument.

And, the Roland case looks cheap and nasty. The polished mahogany on the Winchester looks far, far better.


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