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#687260 - 01/05/09 01:28 AM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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#687261 - 01/05/09 01:55 PM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Congratulations on your new piano! It looks great. I hope it makes you and your daughter happy.

(Also want to take this moment to say that I feel that I was much too aggressive in defending digitals in my above posts - sorry about that.)

#687262 - 01/06/09 04:34 AM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Needless to say, I am sadly leaving you kind folk and moving over to the Adult Beginner forum. I no longer have an excuse for not taking it up.
Aha! I knew it all along! PM to follow.


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#687263 - 01/06/09 09:42 PM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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MichaelR....do not berate yourself. It was diverse opinion that I wanted. The back and forth was educational, wonderful and invigorating. I love a good debate if done intelligently. Even if it DOES prove me wrong in the end.


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#687264 - 01/06/09 09:57 PM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Oh, good! I'm so glad. Have fun learning to play!

#687265 - 01/08/09 07:38 PM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Women and musicians do not deal with logic very well especially when it is formulated by someone else...
excuse me?

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#687266 - 01/08/09 07:57 PM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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You made up your mind and that's fine...but don't let others here tell you that she'd be "handicapped" if she learned on a digital and then moved on to acoustic. We're humans, we adapt, we change. You can't be "ruined" or anything like that.

It's like saying "never let her play a synth because she'll be handicapped then when she goes back to piano and it's weighted keys. Don't play organ because the waterfall keys are different and will ruin her for piano".

Considering that acoustics themselves can all be different from each other, wouldn't learning and practicing on one acoustic handicap you if you go to a different feeling piano? Of course not, that's ludicrous, just like the thought that a digital piano would handicap someone.

Come on...

But doesn't matter, as you got the acoustic.

#687267 - 01/09/09 02:43 AM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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You made up your mind and that's fine...but don't let others here tell you that she'd be "handicapped" if she learned on a digital and then moved on to acoustic.
Everyone should be entitled to engage in the real world - not a recording of it. Who is to say what they miss out otherwise?


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#687268 - 01/09/09 03:49 AM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Everyone should be entitled to engage in the real world - not a recording of it. Who is to say what they miss out otherwise? [/QB]
Really? Then I want my full sized grand piano. NOW! I'm entitled!

Forgot we're in the "age of entitlement". I'm special, we're all special. We're all entitled to whatever we want!

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#687269 - 01/09/09 08:10 AM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Goofball's got ya there Klutz..... Perhaps your verbiage needs to be changed.


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#687270 - 01/09/09 04:16 PM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Goofball, it's the real world you're entitled to not its contents.


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#687271 - 01/09/09 06:03 PM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Originally posted by keyboardklutz:
Everyone should be entitled to engage in the real world - not a recording of it. Who is to say what they miss out otherwise?
Really? Then I want my full sized grand piano. NOW! I'm entitled!

Forgot we're in the "age of entitlement". I'm special, we're all special. We're all entitled to whatever we want!

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Obama's gonna get us all a pony.

#687272 - 01/10/09 05:14 AM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Hi - my first post here!

I have a digital for practical reasons and hadn't played on an acoustic for over a year. The next time I did, I was shocked at the difference in the playing experience - I had forgotten that you can actually feel the music vibrating through your body - the sensation is 1000% times better on an acoustic in my opinion.

Having said that, it is a more complicated matter in your case since you're paying for the instrument for your daughter. I think she does sound ungrateful, but I also think you sound pretty resentful too (the adjectives you've chosen to use in your post show a lot of underlying bitterness). Kids pick up on stuff like that. I think your daughter is probably feeling some hostility from you and is reacting by acting stubbornly - it's all just part of being a normal teenager (unfortunately).

I would approach the situation by treating her like an adult - it will be the best way to appeal to her because if you treat her like a stubborn child she will act like one. Flatter her that she is growing up now - sit her down and explain to her (calmly!) just how much money you have already spent on instruments for her so far, and what that financial commitment means to you based on the hours you personally have to work in order to pay for her pleasure. Explain to her that when people are considering buying a very large item like a piano, there are other considerations to think about apart from the sound of the instrument. Try and get her to do the thinking - see what she comes up with.

I think if you try and work with her as an ally you will get through to her more easily.

#687273 - 01/10/09 06:01 AM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Hi - my first post here!

I have a digital for practical reasons and hadn't played on an acoustic for over a year. The next time I did, I was shocked at the difference in the playing experience - I had forgotten that you can actually feel the music vibrating through your body - the sensation is 1000% times better on an acoustic in my opinion.

Having said that, it is a more complicated matter in your case since you're paying for the instrument for your daughter. I think she does sound ungrateful, but I also think you sound pretty resentful too (the adjectives you've chosen to use in your post show a lot of underlying bitterness). Kids pick up on stuff like that. I think your daughter is probably feeling some hostility from you and is reacting by acting stubbornly - it's all just part of being a normal teenager (unfortunately).

I would approach the situation by treating her like an adult - it will be the best way to appeal to her because if you treat her like a stubborn child she will act like one. Flatter her that she is growing up now - sit her down and explain to her (calmly!) just how much money you have already spent on instruments for her so far, and what that financial commitment means to you based on the hours you personally have to work in order to pay for her pleasure. Explain to her that when people are considering buying a very large item like a piano, there are other considerations to think about apart from the sound of the instrument. Try and get her to do the thinking - see what she comes up with.

I think if you try and work with her as an ally you will get through to her more easily.
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/6/5716/3.html#000056

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Anyhow, welcome!

#687274 - 01/10/09 06:07 AM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Try and get her to do the thinking - see what she comes up with.
I sense an experienced hand. If I could sum up 'How to Teach' in one sentence that would be it! Stick around Brahms4, and welcome to PW!


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#687275 - 01/10/09 08:30 AM Re: Help with ungrateful stubborn child  
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Concur Klutz. Welcome aboard Brahms4. I'm just a parent spending money like I have it and being constantly confused by a house full of females...


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