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cleaning ivory feel keys #682520
10/20/08 12:55 PM
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A quick question about 'ivory feel' keys such as on the Yamaha clp 370 or Roland HP 207: does anyone know if they become stained over time, as they soak up moisture from your fingers/from the air? I think real ivory becomes stained in this way.

So do fake ivory keys stain, and if so, are they easy to get clean?

I am considering whether it is better to plump for plastic key tops rather than synthetic ivory ones. I'm imagining the plastic shiny keys would be easy to wipe, but perhaps the more grainy fake ivory ones would be more difficult as they are not so smooth.

Thanks to all.
Gill.

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I don't think the ivory feel keys are as porous as real ivory, so they won't get stained. I find that the ivory feel is just a texture, and is only on the surface of the material, not all the way through it like real ivory. A damp rag and maybe a mild soap should be okay for cleaning these, but I would see what the manufacturer recommends first.


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Roland claims their ivory feel keys are porous.On my RD-700 GX I always wash my hands before playing, and every other day I use one of those big photo blower bulbs to blow the dust off the whole unit including keys.The idea is to not have to wipe the keys down with anything that might hurt them in the long run.OCD at its finest smile

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The manual comes with a separate sheet which talks about cleaning the keys (JUST THE SOAP AND WATER THING)iT SAYS DONT MARK IT WITH FELT TIP PENS.rEADING THIS MADE ME PARANOID THAT MY (SORRY) grandchildren are gonna attack it sometime and invoke sods law.This tels me there is a degree of pouousity and not just a roughed up surface.
One thing I have noticed is that, after a few months useage the black keys seem to have become a bit less textured though.

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Less textured as in how the most frequently used keys on my laptop are? Interesting.
Still though I don't think there is anything to worry about with the ivory-feel keys on a digital piano. Keep in mind that real ivory is an organic material that is naturally very porous. Plastic is synthetic, and while it may be heavily textured or even slightly porous, it will not have the absorption characteristics of ivory. I don't think Roland would introduce a stage piano/home piano that would eventually fall victim to yellow keys. The main things that cause ivory keys to turn yellow are oil from skin and lack of sunlight. Keeping your hands clean will go a long way, but to completely avoid the possibility, you would have to first figure out a way to keep your body from producing this natural oil. Somehow I think I'd rather risk the keys ;-)


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Makes me wonder if Roland isn't maybe using some kind of micarta on their keys.As a gun collector I own several revolvers with simulated ivory grips made of micarta, and they have yellowed with age.

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Think about it this way. Do you really think your DP will be up to date when the keys finally start to go yellow (if they ever do)? That could take years. Odds are, something more awesome will have come out and you will replaced the old Roland/Yamaha.


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Yes, my RD-700 GX will definately be up to date when the keys start to yellow (if they do), just as my 76 key 18 year old Roland D70 is still up to date.From a pure sound engine stand point even the latest digital pianos are out of date compared to the latest software pianos (use Ivory and EWQL myself) so for a lot of us we bought our DP's as controllers, and as such will be up to date to the point the keys fall apart.I certainly didn't buy my Roland DP for its awesome sample set wink

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Roland should have waited a while before giving us the GX What is the point of adding a new sample thats inferior to the one on the previous mode(SX)and just calling it "Expressive"!

It is a fantastic master keyboard though and the action is very playable.
I nearly went for a Kurzweil PC3x but a second hand GX came up.The guy that sold it worked in
investment banking and was woried about losing his job in the near future. (this was a few months ago) He took a £450 loss on the sale.

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Back on topic - When I get around to it I think I will pop the "lid"on my GX and do a few testson the hidden part of the whit keys.Like use water and spirit based coloured felt tip pens and various solvent to remove the offending scribble.
This will at least stop me being so paranoid when my lovley twin 4 year old grandsons are in the hood!

Will be sure to report when I do this.

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To my ears the stock SX sounded really no better than the stock GX to my ears, but again I use pretty much only software piano's these days.Of interest though this summer I saw Brian Culbertson at the Wave jazz summer series, and he was playing the GX as opposed to the SX he toured with last year.It sounded GREAT in the Newport Beach venue, and he was not triggering external samples as there were no midi connections coming off the back of the instrument.Also saw him and David Benoit at the Anaheim NAMN show last Jan. playing the GX and both sounded incredible with their jazz styles on the GX.Sans my software pianos I'd certainly be interested in the patches those guys were using.

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Anyway back on topic-If the keys DO yellow from age, I personally think that would kinda be cool, give the instument a little character sorta :)While your at it Puff, try a little crayon in your brave testing and let us know how it goes, thats my biggest fear at this point with the little ones frown

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Thanks for all the replies everyone. I will go for the one I like the best feel of and sound of, and take the risk of discoloured keys in the future. I will wash my hands before playing each time and be sure to keep the dust cover on, and clean the keys regularly. Perhaps I'll keep the piano in a sealed oxygen tent, just to be sure. smile

I saw an advert on tv the other day for a dettol disinfectant spray, where a woman was spraying it directly onto her piano keys! Silly billy. I won't be doing that.

Gill.


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