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Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678714
12/18/05 01:24 PM
12/18/05 01:24 PM
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ClaraSchumann, you see all these folks who
are bashing the GP-3 on this thread?
I strongly suspect that none of them
have ever seen one, let alone
played one. I say this because a while
back on the Acoustic Piano Forum someone
asked about Costco's Suzuki acoustic grands
with a player system, and a whole bunch
of people, some of the same ones posting
here, immediately started posting all kinds
of derogatory things about it. But then
someone who really owned one got on and
said what a fine instrument it was, and then
all these folks fell strangely silent after
that.

Really, one marvels at the inventiveness
these people show in composing these
fictions about the GP-3. I'll bet they
never showed a fraction this kind of
enterprise in any other creative endeavor
in their lives. I'm especially
impressed by those Costco shoppers who
go on an on about how the GP-3 was "too
cheap" for their tastes.

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Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678715
12/18/05 02:13 PM
12/18/05 02:13 PM
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Gyro,

With all due respect, there are many, many knowledgable posters here on PW that do indeed know a great deal about the subjects of which we speak! Personally, I have been in the music business since 1978, I have been in the wholesale end of the business for 25 years and back in retail piano sales since 2002. I have a lot of knowledge about many brands of acoustic pianos and digital instruments available today. So, once again, I'll explain the Suzuki scenario.

Suzuki has a wonderful reputation in the music education arena! Their programs have been in place for years! But this alone does not make the brand name "Suzuki" anything to write home about! They (Suzuki) are relying on a Chinese piano builder that has the right to their name to build decent (hopefully) acoustic pianos. They are being built by Dongbei Piano Company, one of many huge piano-building facilities in China.

So, to compare Suzuki in an arena where all the great names in musical instrument production reside, is unfair. Suzuki is NOT a "fine instrument" as you so noted above.

Our "silence" is a result of us "beating a dead horse"! We all shared our views on the Suzuki product, which were pretty much all the same (poor)! So, there is little left to say on the matter.

Regarding the GP-3, it's an inexpensive, entry-level digital grand piano. How is it that Suzuki can offer a $2000 grand piano-style polished ebony digital while the other "big guns" (Roland, Yamaha, etc) are priced at thousands more? It is because the Suzuki is a poor quality instrument and will not withstand anything other than delicate playing (remember the post about someone returning to see the instrument at Costco and it was not in working order any longer?).

So you need to move on. Everyone (except you) agrees about this subject and we should just let it die.

Paul


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Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678716
12/19/05 01:59 PM
12/19/05 01:59 PM
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Thanks to everyone for their responses to my original question. I appreciate the candid nature of this forum. The mom has decided to wait for another year before making any decision.

My experience playing other Suzuki digitals has been similar to the majority of posters. I stress technique so much in my lessons, and after the responses, I'm confident this is not the right piano for these students.

Thanks again!

Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678717
12/27/05 06:38 PM
12/27/05 06:38 PM
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Maybe a bit too late, but I would like to share my experience with Suzuki digital pianos.

Stage piano Suzuki SS-90:
Amplifier defective when delivered. Clattering keys. Digital distortions and high noise, especially noticeable on headphones. Very unnatural fading sound of a single note. Many very cheap buttons that did not sit in their exact positions (needing different pressure points in order to work).

Stage piano Suzuki SS-100:
Sound of Grand Piano (Voice #1) dull and lacking brilliance. Similar distortions and noise, on voice #19 (rock organ) the noise is almost as loud as the voice!! Has 138 Voices as compared to 30 voices of SS-90 (on a chip of the same capacity??) The same problem with the cheap buttons. And the keys are not in line with the frame.

I returned these pianos. I must confess I made a big mistake buying them online for a supposedly "attractive" price, but it turned out to be my worst online shopping experience ever! But also I cannot believe the poor quality Suzuki delivered! mad

So I went to a local piano dealer and compared

Yamaha P-60 (€ 729)
Casio PX-110 (€ 599)
Kawai CN-20 (€ 779)
Yamaha CLP-115 (€ 899)

and ended up taking the Yamaha CLP-115 home. Why?

- Sounded best in comparison
- Great key action, though a little heavy
- Best built-in speakers
- Three pedals like a real piano (only Kawai CN-20 has same feature in this class)
- Fit and finish

I did find some weak spots of the CLP-115, as have been described on this board, too: Overtones in the C3 area are too strong, and there are no jazz and rock organ voices...

But for this price, I know I have to buy the best compromise. For me, itīs the Yamaha CLP-115.

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Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678718
12/27/05 07:29 PM
12/27/05 07:29 PM
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JBS,

Thank you for sharing your experience with us! We went around for weeks all sharing disparaging reports and remarks about the Suzuki (and GEM) products. While the teacher who first posted this thread reported that the parent was putting her decision off for a year, I'm sure your experience with this product will calm the nay-sayers.

Thank you.

Paul


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Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678719
12/27/05 08:15 PM
12/27/05 08:15 PM
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No way, JBS wink

I strongly suspect that you have ever seen one, let alone played one. wink wink wink wink

Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678720
12/28/05 12:01 AM
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JBS, do you have ties to Yamaha, like some
people on this board? I simply do not
believe anything you've said.

Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678721
12/28/05 09:39 AM
12/28/05 09:39 AM
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Itīs funny how some people become suspicious when someone says something positive about Yamaha products.

No, I am not affiliated with Yamaha.

The experience I made was exactly like I have described it. I bought a Suzuki SS-90 first, had it exchanged for an SS-100, returned both and bought a Yamaha CLP-115, after comparing it to Casio and Kawai.

You can, of course, accuse me for not trying Korg and Roland.

If somebody else prefers the Casio or the Kawai over the Yamaha, thatīs fine with me. I just wanted to outline my experience.

Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678722
12/28/05 09:40 AM
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However, I cannot imagine anyone preferring a Suzuki product over anything else from what I have learnt!

Re: Suzuki GP-3 Mini-Grande: Advice on Touch #678723
12/28/05 10:05 AM
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It is so easy to 'have a go' at people because they seem to be pushing the brands with the big reputations and sales to match but, the simple fact is, Yamaha are at the top of the digital piano market for a reason - they are very good instruments with proven reliability. Even if the Suzuki had been a half-decent instrument, what would be the point in buying that over an equivalent priced Yamaha which is a better instrument, just for the sake of being different?

When I recently chose my digital piano I started out with something against Yamaha - probably for the same stupid reasons. I was intent on a Korg, Roland, GEM or Kurzweil. I tried the others and didn't like them (not to say they aren't good, they just weren't for me). Then I suddenly remembered that the digital piano circuitry I love on the Silent System I have fitted to my Schimmel acoustic is none other than pure Yamaha. I tried the P250 and was sold.

Sometimes companies are recommended so much because they are one of the best. If Yamaha digital technology wasn't one of the best Schimmel would not fit it to their pianos.


Classical and jazz pianist, singer, songwriter, and avid listener and concert-goer. SCHIMMEL and BLUTHNER fan and avidly AGAINST the dumbing down of quality music.
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