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Yamaha P85 vs p70 vs p140 #677987
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Hey,
I'm mostly a synth-y guy but I'm looking to revitilize my old classical training from when I was a kid, and am looking to invest in a good digital practice piano (plus, in the end, hammer action just feels nicer than synth key/semi-weighted)
My main concerns are the graded hammer action, the quality of the sampling, and overall portability.


After considering and just thinking about what my family had, I'd like a Yamaha and have narrowed it down to three:

The P70 was my original choice, but it's been replaced by the P85. P70s I can get in Toronto for $650 with stand, plus tax.

The P85 is the same, but without stand. It seems smaller and overall more portable.

Yet I keep hearing about the "quality" of the P140 vs the 70 and 85. So I don't want to just go straight to buying the 70 and 85 without at least looking into the 140.

Could someone maybe elaborate on the differences between the p70/85 and the p140? Is it just sample difference/features? Or is the keyboard itself substantially different? Or just aesthetics?


Also, I'd very much appreciate a comparison between the P70 and the P85, if anyone has had experience with both. One of my favorite artists uses a P70 on stage (Spender Krug), and with my own reading and whatnot I'm actually heavily inclined towards it partially for that reason (I'd intend to cart it around a bit too, mainly to jam space). Is the P85 equally durable despite being smaller?

Anyway, yeah. Many, many thanks.

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you can find each's specs here:
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/List/ModelSeriesList/0,,CTID%25253D205900%252526CNTYP%25253D,00.html

the major difference between p70 and p85 is polyphony: 32 vs. 64.

p140 has better action GH over GHS as on P85/70, and also much better sampling level, which means the better sound. all that details can be found at the link above.

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I own a P140 and have played a P70 a bit. The difference in the feel of the keyboards is noticeable but not significant. It's less noticeable than the difference between different acoustics that I've played. The speakers on the P140 aren't very good. I'd try to get something without speakers to save the weight, but I don't think anything below the CP33 comes without speakers.


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I've played the P70 and the P85 but not at the same time to directly compare them. My recollection is that the P85 has a better feel to the action. Personally I find that the action of the P140 is the best of the three. It's quieter and feels more solid to me. The P70 and P85, while very playable, felt as if they are built to looser tolerances.

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<font color ="FF0000">All 3 pianos are great. Good feel, tone quality, and features. The P70 and 85 are obviously in a lower price range than a 140. So that is the first obvious decision that has to be made. The 140 is irrelevant to the discussion if you don't want to spend over $1000. If you do, then the 140 has more to offer. The main obvious difference between the 70 and 85 is polyphony. The 70 has 32 voice polyphony as opposed to 64 voice polyphony in the 85. The 64 voice polyphony model should be the obvious choice as it will sound better, especially if you play piano. As far as durabilty, Yamaha is normally dependable on most everything it makes. Durability shouldn't be an issue.</font>


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Re: Yamaha P85 vs p70 vs p140 #677992
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Khory, I assume that you have made some inquiries before to exclude other brands such as Korg or Roland from your list. I ask because sometimes people only go for Yamaha, because that is all that the local dealer offers.

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Nah. I've other synths which are semiweighted, such as a Roland Vsynth and a Korg ms2k (well, controlled with an Axiom...), but Yamaha keys were always nicer to me. I've tried the other keyboards and the weight action simply wasn't very comfortable for me.

Anyway, update: I went and checked it out. P70 and p85 felt comperable to me, P140 was amazing but far, far outside my price range. I think I'll be getting the p70.

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Are the differences in the P70 and P85 significantly discernable? The action/sound between them? How does polyphony have to do with sound - I always thought it was just how many notes you can play at one time.


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Originally posted by Tommy_GS:
How does polyphony have to do with sound - I always thought it was just how many notes you can play at one time.
It has been noted that some keyboards with low polyphony have a shorter sustain of held notes -- it is a smoother way of dealing with a limited number of notes that can be sounding at once.

This is something I noticed when comparing the Casio px310 to the px200, for example. The higher polyphony instrument had better sustain.


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Re: Yamaha P85 vs p70 vs p140 #677996
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beware that pedaling will take some polyphony away as well! if you count all factors in playing piano, then 32 polyphony will not be enough. that's why all new DP models have at least 64 polyphony.

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Hey Khory,

I own a Yamaha P70 and it is ok. I really wish I would have waited a few months for the P85 to come out though. My biggest complaint with the P70 is the finish. I own the black model and the finish is a flat black with a very sandpapery feel. It is very difficult to keep clean. If the P85 has a better finish it would be worth the extra money to me right out of the chute.

Other than that it's ok. Keys are a bit clunky and it's not real great sounding. But in it's price range it is probably better than anything else on the market.

Hope this helps!


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Yeah. I'm getting the black P70. Went in today, there's one that's been rented once, it seems to be in great condition and comes with stand, pedal, an 1yr warranty for $700, which includes tax.

That sound like a good deal?

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$700 for a P70, used? not that good a deal, as i see it. new P85 costs only $600, and with additional stand and pedal, you're looking at the same deal but a better piano.

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Well, the P85 at the place I'm buying from is $650 with just the pedal, stand'd be anoter $150, and then there's tax. $700 for P70 is with stand and pedal.
Also, I'd be getting it with the financing option, so putting down $200 now and paying $100 a month till the end of the summer with 1.5% interest.

Conversely, there's a used P120S without stand which I could get for $700 and the P140 are going new for 1100 without stands.

Kinda torn now... Should I pay the $700 for a used one with essentially no guarantee, or should I get the P70 for the same with the stand, saving about $100-150?

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have you checked that p120? if it's in good condition, then it's a better piano than that P70. if you're short of money, then buy a cheaper stand (X-stand, $40-60). it's better to sacrifice on other things than on a piano itself.

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have you checked that p120? if it's in good condition, then it's a better piano than that P70. if you're short of money, then buy a cheaper stand (X-stand, $40-60). it's better to sacrifice on other things than on a piano itself.
I agree, better sacrifice other stuff (i.e. stand) that you can always buy later given a limited budget than sacrifice on the piano...it wouldn't be too inspiring/motivating to play if your DP purchase turned out to be somewhat unsatisfactory. Check out the P120 first regarding its condition to avoid potential repair headaches later on.


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Yeah... Frick, I'm selling a bunch of stuff to get this. Selling my drum machine (TR-707) tonight, sold my midi pads yesterday (pad kontrols), sold a few other midi things.
Hope it eez worth it.
My piano lessons start in May though, so I need to get something soon.

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the p120 has much better speaker power, the p140 has a pussy *** speaker system, i don't know why yamaha did reduced the speaker power in the new one. in terms of piano sound, what can be said, its a an electric piano for crying out loud. How much better can the tone get. That is why i'm deciding whether to get the p140 or the korg sp250, the korg has a nice and rich sound system. but its a korg. i don't know much about their reputation. i would love get the p120 b/c of the sound system but no ones selling it new! i don't want to take the risk of buying a used piano. is the korg sp250 a good bet?

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thanks for asking the question, Khory.

i have also been looking at the P70 - but now i think i will go for the P85.
apart from the polyphony ( which i knew nothing about - and still don't) the P85 comes with a 3 pedal unit, which i imagine would be a better way to go if i want a more acoustic sound & playability - yeah?


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Not so worried about the power of the speakers, to be honest. I'm using this thing for primarily home stuff, and if I take it to my buddy's jam space I'd be wiring into an amp.

The main appeal of the 120 for me at this point is: better "layout" than the p70 (I like the fact that all the connectors are on the far left hand corner), comperable keys to the p140 (which did feel nicer when I tried it out vs. the 70, though the 70 felt great, as did the 85), and just overall better quality.

Also, I'm still beginner piano so I definitely am not going to spend anything over $1000.... I'm a student too, so even as is this is a major, major investment for me., plus with what'll probably amount to $500 in lessons over the next four months.
So I want something that can last and I won't be replacing as soon as I get over a certain level of education, and that I can use in multiple situations: at home, with friends, even gigging if I ever get to that point with the piano.

Anyway, my hesitation remains regarding buying something used though. I've bought most of my stuff used, including a $1000 Vsynth, but it still makes me nervous handing over this much money for something without a guarantee.

But yeah, if I can get the p120, I'm getting the p120. I've more or less got the money assembled (from selling off a bunch of stuff, Pad Kontrol, Tr707, voice recorder thingy for class, some other midi stuff, etc), just need to meet up with the guy who is, sadly, very far away.
Hrmph. That part needs figuring.

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Hey, thought I'd just post one last time.


Got the P120S today. Wonderful board, feels great (better than 70/140 and 140 in my opinion), and has a nicer aesthetic than the 140.

Sounds great, though 140 might be better in that area. I very much like the fact that all the connections are on the far left side, MUCH more intuitive for my setup, though I can see how it might be seen as a negative thing.


Final price was $700CAD (board and pedal) which included delivery. Got the person to sign a 3 month thingy stating that they'd return my money in full in the event of any problem.

Anyway, thanks a lot to everyones advice. Definitely worth it. My first piano lesson is next week (trial lesson with the teacher), but I'm relearning scales right now with fervor.


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