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#673635 - 02/12/06 07:34 PM Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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We are in the market for a new digital piano for our home. We already have a Baldwin upright, but we now live in a smaller condo and are looking for something that will let me play without disturbing my husband and/or the neighbors. I don't want all of the sophisticated features offered by many of the digitals -- USB, thousands of instruments, fancy touch screens, etc, I just want the best sounding and feeling digital we can find.

I recently went to our local music store and played the Roland HP-103, KR-105, an older KR-5 (now discontinued), as well as a Yamaha Clavinova. Of the four, I enjoyed the sound of the KR-5 much more than the newer HP/KR series, and I disliked the feel of the Yamaha's keys so much I wouldn't consider them at all.

When we returned home we wanted to do some comparison shopping online, but it's almost impossible to find the KR/HP series anywhere. However, the MP-60 seems to be widely available. At face value, it looks like the HP-103 and MP-60 share many of the same characteristics -- simple features, 88 keys, 64 simultaneous voices, etc.

My question is, what is the big difference between the HP-103 and the MP-60?

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#673636 - 02/12/06 09:01 PM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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Digital piano makers reserve certain models
for showroom sales only. These are premium
models with the best fit and finish
and the best features so that they will
appeal to walk-in customers. Dealers
can't sell these on the web. The HP-103 is
apparently one of these showroom-only models
(in fact, all the HP and KR models seem to
be for showroom sales only).

The MP-60 is less finely finished and is
intended for sale either in showrooms or
on the web. It would still be a fine
instrument, however, and all the piano anyone
could ever need (for example, my Casio
upright cost only 700.00 new online, including
shipping, and I use it to play the most
advanced classical music--I consider it
equivalent to an acoustic).

One of the best values around is a used digital
piano. Digitals are very rugged and reliable
and and a used one, even from as far back
as the late 1980's, could be perfectly
okay for general piano playing, and could
be had for a couple of hundred dollars at most.

I'm guessing that the KR-5 costs much more than
the MP-60, but if it's a discontinued model
and has been on the showroom floor for
ages you could probably bargain the price
down considerably.

#673637 - 02/13/06 07:25 PM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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Thanks for the insite. Based on the fact that I couldn't find any HP/KR series online in the US, I assumed that they are only sold retail. I'm glad to hear that you think the MP-60 would be good for my uses. It is much more affordable - I would have had to wait a while to buy one of the others.

#673638 - 02/13/06 08:11 PM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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I strongly encourage you to try anything before buying.


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#673639 - 02/13/06 11:29 PM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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Unfortunately there is only 1 Roland dealer in this small town. I was able to play many other Roland digitals (HP and KR series) and really liked them. This dealer does not have an MP in stock for me to play, do you find that the pianos differ across series that much - or do you just suggest that I try Roland in general before buying?

#673640 - 02/13/06 11:43 PM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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I wouldn't buy any digital instrument without trying it first. You're asking for trouble if you do.


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#673641 - 02/14/06 11:25 AM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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I bought my Casio upright online, sight-unseen,
and I was very satisfied. In my opinion,
buying a digital online, sight-unseen, is okay.
In fact, today many digitals seem to be made
in the same factories in China, and so there is
a lot of similarity between models in the
same price range.

I see the MP-60 being sold online for
around 1500.00. Going just by the
price, this would indicate a good-
quality instrument, not as finely
finished as the showroom-only HP's and
KR's, but a piano that would be more than
satisfactory for any piano player. In fact,
any model in the 1500.00 price range would
be a good, safe choice for a person unfamiliar
with digitals and buying sight-unseen on
the web for the first time.

But one need not spend even that much. My
Casio AP-31 sold online for 700.00. The
AP-31 seems to have been discontinued, but
the almost-identical AP-24 is still sold
online for the same price. And then there
is the Casio AP-38/45 which is better than
the AP-31/24, and sells for 1000.00 online.

#673642 - 02/14/06 05:23 PM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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I want to be polite about this, but I'd also hate to see you waste your money. Gyro may be satisfied with buying a Casio sight unseen -- that's great. But these pages are filled with posts from the other 99% of people who try various digitals only to find that they like some and dislike others. Is everyone else wrong here? Let's use a little common sense.


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#673643 - 02/15/06 10:28 AM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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Yep. Some people love the Yamaha, some people don't like it, think it's too bright and the action too heavy. Some people love the Roland, others think the action is too light and the piano sound uneven. Some people love the Casio, others simply don't like it.

There's too much subjectivity in digital piano preferences, and as a result, buying sight unseen may end you up with a less satisfactory instrument than what you could have had from another maker for the same money, if only you'd have a chance to audition.

And there are a LOT of opinions on the internet. About everything, really.

#673644 - 02/15/06 07:12 PM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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I have played other Roland models and liked them, I did not like the Yamaha, so much that I would not buy one. I was more curious about the consistancy across Roland models, not so much across manufacturers. Thanks for all of the replies. Given the circumstances (that I will not be able to play the instrument b/c I live in a relatively small town) I went ahead and ordered the MP-60 online from a dealer that will allow me to return it if I decide I don't like it. (I have to pay shipping, but a small price to pay).

#673645 - 02/16/06 03:45 AM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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Hey, let me know how that roland mp-60 worked out for you.

#673646 - 02/20/06 02:46 AM Re: Roland HP-103 vs. MP-60  
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Hello,

I read that you already ordered one, congratulations smile I own a HP-103 myself, and it's a wonderful instrument.

I have one remark to Gyro, you wrote something about the good value of a used digital. Well, I bought a new HP103 which had a little software bug (a opened a topic about it, two months ago). I could play it for a couple of hours without noticing the bug en than out of the sudden it happened. If I would bought this instrument second handed, the original owners would not have told me that and I almost certain would not have noticed it! I don't the used prices in the states, but here they are much too high for an (ordinairy) digital/electrical instrument.

Krista


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